Rockman Sound In A Pedal - GOAT Analog Distortion Generator Demo
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I think an X100 pedal would be cooler. Seems like Tom had the tones dialed it spot on without needing the extra eq options, plus the chorus and clean settings are dope.
Pastfx are planning on releasing an all analogue X100
@@745bob Just checked out their site, they look super cool! Look forward to seeing and hearing that X100 pedal. Thanks for the heads up! It's cool to see builders from other countries!
@@TeleCarlitos I guess so , I just saw it on instagram
@@745bob they just told me that due to some delays the pedal will be out by the end of the year. I honestly can't wait.
Facebook group not just another rockman forum just released V2 X100 pedal with discrete components. Limited quantities already sold. Echo chip costs $50 and there was limited quantities available. They even got the last ones from Dunlop who bought out SR&D. Soon, V3 surface mount version will be released with more features and adjustments.
That lead guitar on the chorus of “don’t look back” is one of my favorite lead sounds…
I loved Scholz's stuff. It works much better in a band environment (as opposed to to playing alone) - It always cuts through.
Man when the first guy in our group of players got a Rockman, back in around '84 or so, everyone was like "damn, homie!".
Just had that sound that nobody was getting from Peavy or Gorilla amps and regular old stomp boxes.
The clean switch (auto clean on the original) gives you the ability to turn your volume knob on your guitar down to get a some what clean sound without losing too much volume.
The original Rockman stuff had such a noise floor and now they are really expensive. This looks like a good alternative.
I REALLY appreciate that you show us how your initial tone sounds (very basic) so we can see what the pedal actually does.
Some UA-camrs don’t demonstrate pedals bypassed, or start with a fantastic sound to where you can’t tell how effective the pedal actually is
Can't get over how good your videos look with the new lights!
I wish they did all of the Rockman rack modules, they were all great!
I think the Rockman distortion generator is meant to be used as a DI. The phase button is, IIRC, intended to simulate the notches you get mic'ing a 4x12 cab. But the reason it sounds so nasally when run through an amp x speaker (sim) is because a speaker has its own frequency response which cuts highs and lows. This circuit already has filters in it which are intended to simulate a speaker, so you double up on cutting all the high-frequency and low-frequency information out of the signal. I had some SansAmp stuff back in the 90s that did much the same thing, and sounded honky through an amp. When they built this into a pedal, they should have added a switch to defeat the inbuilt speaker sim so it could be used in front of an amp without it sounding like a kazoo. Cool demo, though! They really nailed the timbre of the distortion circuit.
WANT!! man, Rockman stuff always sounds great
Great demo R.J. you nailed it,Cheers!
Really well-done, thorough review! Not surprising though, coming from RJ. Excellent as always!
I keep coming back to this video. Some cool riffs in there for sure.
Great review - you really show how each control affects the sound. Great sounding pedal.
I like how faithful the GOAT DG is to the rackmount unit. It really gives you the Boston sound. Lots of 2K through my monitors... :-) Thanks.
You play really great I am 65 have always wanted a rockman100 I remember the sales in music magazines and at guitar shops sweet rock man distortion too
Dude. I NEED that exact color serape strap. Holy crap that is awesome looking.
I had a full rack of the Rockman stuff and ran direct to the PA. A long time ago. From what I remember, the phase notching was supposed to make it sound more like the phase cancellation of a 4x12 speaker cab. Running direct without any amp, it worked great. I also remember using the sustainor as a distortion into a Marshall combo with one 12 inch speaker, and the phase notch made that sound more like a closed back cab. Very cool!
Hey great demo and video. Aside from Beato and a few others, I’m enjoying your content. Keep it comin’!
It may be more user friendly, & more quiet and more modern but to my ears the pedal was just to boosted in the high end spectrum and just to screechingly high compared to the old rack unit that though a bit noisy, sounded way better to me. More dialed in and there were more mids that took the upper end brashness
away. Tom Sholtz.is a genius who couldve went on and built moon rockets. Instead he founded Boston instead, playing all the tracks and recruiting Brad Delp to do vocals. If there was a certain sound or effect he needed, he wouldn't shop for it, he'd freaking build
it himself. He actually built the bands entire backline which was years ahead of everything made in the 70s, and I read that they still use that same backline today, looking like a damn star trek holodeck control panel.The 1st piece of gear he sold to the public looked deceptively like a Sony walkman, but it was so much more. It was a battery powered, preamp that once you plugged into any clean amp,,you could dial in the amount of distortion, and chorus,, and you could literally nail Sholt's Boston tone. I had that preamp, an early 70s silver face Fender Super reverb amp and a Jackson flying V as my 1st rig which lasted me through to the mid 80s when Boss started making pedals a thing you could make your pedal board with enough pedals to copy any songs you wanted. So began my unending passion for the right pedals which I'm still seeking out to this day, however, I'll always remember having that 1 little, radio sized box, ran through a super reverb amp and being totally satisfied with my tone for at least 5 years and a thousand pedals later, I still can't get right and in a constant tone chase for the right tones, or the next new big thing to make me a satisfied tone chaser.
Yes, definitely a lot more hi's
Right away it sounds awesome
I have to get one NOW!
Great sounding pedal!
You have made me buy the GOAT!!! Thank you!!!
I had 2 of the Rockman rack modules. They did sound unique and amazing ( however ) the Noise-floor was thru-the-roof. I loved the pristine-Cleans and the Chorus too. oNe LovE from NYC
The distortion isn’t what made the rockman sound legendary. It’s the stereo chorus. It all worked together but the chorus was platinum.
All the original rockman gear was designed for full range amplification. Not designed to run into front end of clean amp. That's why it can seem bright through guitar amp. The auto clean was designed to allow distortion to clean up without losing volume/highs with volume on guitar.
I honestly can't tell the difference. That distortion is so tight and clean. I love that sound.
Great demo 👍🏻 thank you 👌🏻
Great video my man! But I am commenting just because I was left wanting a bit more! For a bunch of us, because of our age, the Rockman sound is what we hear on Def Leppard's Hysteria, which you did a great video on already, and some Surfing with the Alien type tones. Do another video with this pedal and add the chorus and echo thing with other pedals and see how close you can get to the various Hysteria distortion tones. That would cinch it for me, and possibly many of us! Why hasn't a builder in the US done their version of this here?!?! Thanks, brother! Great content as always!
i had a soloist i loved it
This is funny, my first practice amp was a Rockman headphone amp! They were pretty big in the 80's for beginners, cheap, decent sounds, headphone jack, portable, great for tossing into a gig bag when your traveling. They really took off after it was discovered Mutt Lange used it as the guitar tone for Def Leppard's 'Hysteria' album, but later on down the line the band encountered problems in the digital realm and they found themselves back in the studio decades later remastering and re-recording the entire album. With a Rockman what you basically have is raw 'pocket amp tone', and to get more out of it in your FX chain, you're more than likely going to find yourself using a Compressor, EQ, & Flanger to get more out of it like Def Leppard found out on 'Hysteria'.
But in my own opinion its a cool addition to any pedal board looking for that Def Leppardish tone, but then again with all the software plugins out there, it's not hard to mimic the abilities of the Rockman line of pedals, albeit there are some that make it obsolete. The asking price is a bit of a stretch, as there are more affordable options out there that can pretty much do the same thing as a Rockman.
What are the more affordable options
One of my foolish losses...my legit DG! I remember auto clean removed some of the sizzle with lighter attack from the pick. The phase notch made it Vox'ish nasally. I loved playing it through a solid state combo
OMG I had the original when they came out - so cool 😎 They were noisy as hell but I loved the way it would clean up - when the clean switch was on - the original unit sounds better to me… cool video bro
Great demo! I am not sure I would give up the pedalboard space for that sound
Yeah The Rockman Units were Awesome (Wish I Still Had All Mine 😢😢) Great Demo Ron ☺😎💯💯
I love my GOAT. I like picking an extreme setting for a lead track & then-more or less-reversing all the controls for a rhythm sound. It would probably be easy to dial in a comparable sound with other gear, but as a Rockman fan, I had to have the GOAT. 🙂 Like someone else said, I’d really like to see someone make an X100 pedal. And it is criminal that Dunlop isn’t doing anything good with the brand.
I agree. I think the Ace from Dunlap, is disrespectful.
Brings back great memories...😎👍
😎👍❤🖖
Awesome, as always R. J. What about doing a video hooking up the pedal and the Rockman echo chorus device? (drooling)
That Pedal sounds Fantastic... Just found your Channel Subbed .. I really like your layed back Style dude. Rock on. The Original sounds best my ears .
Great vid, RJ. Thank you once again. I have a GOAT Generator here too. Great fun pedal. I find it works best with a 'blackface' Twin or similar platform. I'll fire it up next week for a bit of a demo. 🤘🏻☮️
The GOAT is definitely Noisier.
clean switch on, sustain is mix
I have the Sustainor 200. The Auto-Clean setting allows clean up by turning down.
That "clean" switch when switched "on" enables you to clean up your signal by turning down your guitar's volume knob.
When I was a kid and got my first guitar, I didn't have an amp, but my dad's RCA stereo had a 1/4" input and I would plug my guitar into there. This pedal reminds of that. I mean the RCA didn't gain up like this from what I remember, but it definitely distorted from the guitar signal slamming it, and this pedal reminds me of that experience.
HA! There was a time I didnt have an amp as well and i just put my Boss Metal Zone into the stereo. Lol good times.
Sounds cool but it should've had the Boston clean option on the pedal.
One of these and a GK250 ML or RL and you have a lot of the 80s Def, Maiden, Boston covered.
I had a rock man xp100 back in the day. Late 80s. It was pretty cool but when a guy joined the band with a boogie mark v with a Marshall 4:12 . It was no contest
Autoclean adds bass and treble. You engage it when you want to clean up the sound by turning down your volume knob. You can get pretty close to clean clean. Phase Notcher = phase cancellation patterns from a 4x12 cabinet.
Thanks
I had one of the rack units back in the day. I could not make it work and got rid of it. I have often thought that maybe there was something wrong with the way I was using it. I really didn't like the sound. After hearing this I think it must be nostalgia, it still sounds like not my cup of tea for sure. 😀
This pedal is completely sold out everywhere now
The old Rockmodules like the Distortion Generator and Sustainor have a direct line circuit built into the output that's made to go direct into a PA or recording console, and you can't turn that off, so that's why so many people don't like the tone of the Rockmodules going into an amp...they weren't made to do that. There's already a cabinet sim going on that you can't turn off, so a cabinet sim into the front of a clean amp is gonna sound weird. (or downright bad) It sounds like the GOAT pedal has that circuit removed and is made to go into a clean amp. I see they just released a version of the Rockmodule Stereo Chorus too. :-)
The treble boost is used to match the Rockman Distortion Generator, and the GOAT Generator to the treble emphasis of whatever amplification is in use. If it's a guitar amp, you reduce the treble boost. If it's a direct input to the front-of-house, or for recording, you would probably increase the treble boost. The cabinet simulation is always active, but you can use the treble boost get a better match. After that you use the EQ section to fine tune the sound.
Can’t believe you didn’t add tons of stereo reverb. Changes how it sounds dramatically.
I enjoyed the comparison. The GOAT pedal did a nice job of trying to recreate the Rockman distortion but I liked the original better. It’s tough to find the original so it’s a nice alternative to the original.
The phase notch simulates the phase cancellation you get in a 4x12….I think the GOAT pretty much nails that Rockman sound…it’s cheaper,cleaner,and WAY less noisy than the originals are….I had all of those modules in the 80’s….Now,if they would make a clone pedal of the Rockman Stereo Echo,that would be awesome….Great demo…Good to hear it demo’ed by a great player..
WOW! Nice haircut buddy…
I think the nice thing is one can dial in the delay and chorus to a preference where as the original rockman x100 had a fixed echo and chorus. Which makes this goat more versatile I think. 🤔
I have all the original Tom Scholtz rack units distortion sustainer chorus delay bought them in 80s i think whenever they first came out this pedal sounds like its similar
I would’nt argue This pedal sounds great and tubish tubey Tube-like🙂
VERY GOOD DEMO PROFESSIONAL.. I THINK BILLY GIBBONS USED THIS ,RACK, ON AFTERBURNER.
Just discovered this video today and the GOAT is now $850, which is pretty crazy for a Rockman knock-off, however good it is.
at 15.40 you have the mid boost in the wrong place. it should be on zero, and you have the original unit turned right up. the mid boost is only a boost. neutral is fully anti clockwise the 2 k is a cut. look at the curves and the suggested settings on the pedal
Was waiting for the bass control to go above 12 and also to hear some Boston riffs.
I believe the unit was designed to be a preamp or to be used in a FRFR system. This is probably why it’s so bright through the front of a guitar amp and sounds better with the mid boost cranked.
Back in the day they called those PA systems
finally 🎸⚡‼️🔥‼️
Hey, RJ! Do you know about any other pedals that are similar to this? Or atleast have similar distortion tone? Thanks!
very cool pedal. looks like a good buy compared to vintage.
A couple Of Rockman style pedals?! Which ones?! There’s a bunch of us clamoring for this! It’s a great tone to have, among other classic tones! I’m not a super fanboy of it but definitely want something that gets me close to it.
HI, THANK'S FOR YOUR VIDEOS . I BUY ONE IN $284 COME THIS WEEK .
I was tempted to purchase one of these leading into the Pandemic. I lost my interest when I discovered that it (supposedly) came close to emulating the tone of the Rockman. I’ve discovered after having owned an X100 that the Boston tone I would choose to emulate isn’t what Tom generated either on the debut or *Third Stage* and its successors. My wish is to emulate Tom’s (and Barry’s) tone from the *Don’t Look Back* sessions. To me subjectively, that is the single-most desirable Boston guitar tone to seek to emulate. Tom had arrived at the sound he desired, and it still sounded raw and in your face. The cool thing is, this pedal appears to hit that mark, something which I didn’t realize at first.
I could also imagine it being snapped up by Billy Gibbons, Brian May, Neal Schon, Hal Bachman or Jeff Beck.
The best part of it is if you’ve got killer chops like you have, RJ.
Just placed an order on the final day of 2022 for my own. Looking forward to seeing how it sounds in my arsenal. I also hope that when I try plugging it into my ME-80 processor, I can use its built-in wah-wah pedal without it clashing with this unit. That happens with the distortion unit I’ve been using since February 2021, the NU X Plexi Crunch.
This is great, but are there any pedals that can do the Rockman clean tones?
Theres a lot more and better rockman stuff gonna come out in the near future, keep looking out for the Rockman sound folks
can u elaborate on that..... dunlop gonna release new pedals?
@@tk41370 not dunlop, but a few dedicated techs are working on a improved x100 and even a pedal clone of the rockman. Very limited nzmbers as its all in a test phase so far, but check out the facebook group "not just another rockman group". There should be even a short vid on youtube, search for x100 pedal quick overview and it should pop up under latest results.
@@maxmustardman298 oh thanks so much i will check it out...
@@maxmustardman298 Yeah. Limited numbers so they can charge us a fortune.
Limited numbers because the echo chip 3011 cost $50 if you can find any. There are China fakes out there! They were able to get a stash from SR&D which Dunlop still had. These chips were cheap in the 80s. Now obsolete!
I had an original Rockman and then another similar device. in the late 80s..it was reddish in color and metal case, it stopped working (knob) and I kept it for years, then parted way. Wish I would have kept both
Secret Freq from Fulltone does Boston well.
Rockman X-100 is stereo outs . Game changer with two real amps !
To me the Rockman sound has the chorus and echo as well as the clean switches. This thing sounds pretty good to my ears though, considering it's not actually going after the Rockman sound itself. FOrget that phase switch in most cases. Too thin. I think this thing sounds best with mids and 2K dimed, no phase switch treble at noon or slightly lower, bass noon or a little higher, Harmonics on heavy. That captures the Rockman distortion best to me. The lead switch works well in that mode too. I wish someone would make an actual clone of a Rockman with all the bells and whistles, but in a pedal format. It's a unique and cool tone. Good demo!
What's the Steel String Singer clone in the back? Is that one of those 25W SSS's? I'd LOVE to get/build one. I built a 100W Ceriatone SSS several years for someone who didn't want to wait for them to build it. It is my favorite clean amp, but really impractical.
I built a 50W for myself, but even that was punishingly loud, way too loud, I can't even begin to think about how loud SRV's 150W was. The problem with Dumble circuits is that most of them are even more dependent on the master volume being at the sweet spot than most tube amps, or they get too saggy in the low end and don't respond the same way, and with D's that volume is usually high. I never use power scaling, I don't like the way it affects the tone and attack (with the exception of the ones Marshall uses in their Studio series, they're perfect).
I used to slave the SSS into the power section of an Egnater Rebel 30 set to 6V6s, or a 15W Tweaker that I swiped the stock 6V6s for 6L6s*. It certainly made it more usable, but it lacked the thump that it's own output section produces. A 25W that's designed correctly and compensates for the lower power would be great, I wish Ceriatone would do it, or even a SSS tube driven preamp pedal like the Peace FX.
I know these don't get the love they did a decade ago, but they're still IMO the best pedal platform amps out there, especially at that price: you can find a 15W head used for $250 and the fact that you can use any power tubes makes it perfect to use with preamp pedals, modeling units, etc. The same with the rebels: being able to switch between 6V6 and EL84s, and go from 20 or 30W down to 1 helps.
For the life of me I don't understand why Bruce Egnater hasn't released a standalone power amp built off the Rebel's circuit. A 20 or 30W head that you can switch between different power tubes in the fly and cut down to 1W, sell them for $400-500 and you wouldn't be able to keep up with demand. Who out there that uses Preamps wouldn't want something like that? Fuck it, I'll just do it myself.
Before these showed up I bought a full tone Secret Freq. it’s sounds dam close in its demo video. I also have a decent rack going, but modules have gone crazy high in price. I’d like another octopus or two Edam adapters so I can run everything together, but the adapter I’d almost impossible to find, and so are octopuses with decent prices. If I did I’d put everything into a few racks for transport so my back wasn’t so taxed.
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Neat
Les Paul + Goat distortion pedal = instant Billy Gibbons.
400$ wtf. No way
Add some 300ms echo and some chorus/detune and you got it.
Can this be DI'd into a desk or PA like the real Rockman stuff, i.e does it have a speaker/cab sim on the output? How was this recorded?
I just sold my Rockman X100 for $300. It was time to go since the amount of money I got for it was nuts. I could have sold it for much more possibly but I didn't feel right about charging more.
Great video R.J. If I was in your neighborhood I'd loan you my Rock rig and you can take care of a good chunk of Rockman gear reviews :)
GOAT is also coming out with a Stereo Chorus and Stereo Delay pedal based on the Rockman versions and I got to say that the Rockman Stereo Chorus is my "Desert Island" gear of all the rockman stuff. One last thing TH-U Overload came out with their Rockguy sustainor + Stereo Chorus\Delay plugin and I love it.
I am always combining various chorus/compressor/OD pedals to get a rockman sound. Anyone have any combination that comes close?
R.J. I have a Question. for you. I went to SPOTIFY to check You out. Would you say tat is an accurate representation of your recorded Work to Date. And the reason I say this is that even though I am a Big Fan of Surf Music, that's all I hear. But when I hear You in Demos it seems as if You can Play anything.
I honestly would buy a Gorilla GG20 in a box pedal.
I wish there was a virtual rockman x100 vst or a rockman x100 clone.
The original sounds like it has better clarity than the newer copy despite the noise.. kind of reminds me of how some modeling amps sound compared to the originals.. usable yes but not quite as good
Doesn't seem that noisy. Are you using a gate?
11:57 max distortion
Great review. You covered a lot of ground. That said, to my ears both sound very brittle.
More drive are most settings on them
They're proud of it @ $400
An original plastic and belt clipped Rockman x-100 with delay and chorus was 129.99 retail in 1982 if my memory serves.
Which makes theses units about 20 bucks more adjusted for inflation but in a more user friendly tweakable and stompable unit.. sounds good to me
A chinese cloner should remake them. the schems are on a forum somewhere.
They make a amp too