There's no point in attacking unless you can force the opponent to play settle. An overly careful player wouldn't have played settle if it wasn't absolutely necessary.
What is the point in giving Haste to Sailor of Means? An extra point of damage if instant clear? I can't see why you wouldn't always put a +1/+1 counter.
I guess I should have put counters on this more often. I think my main thought was we were sacrificing it anyway so it didn't especially matter, but that's not the more correct way to play.
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Did not expect that Wurm to just up and eat Lyra. Very cool design!
When I first saw vannifar at prerelease I thought it was bad because of prime speakers classically being unplayable in standard but your videos have convinced me it’s playable, Seth! But it might just be good in a standard right now in a meta that shifted a bit to life gain and away from x4 targeted removals. It’s going into my pod commander deck for sure!! (Which reminds me there are things in my temur pod deck that make vannifar’s ability flash)
Gotta replace that 3 drop. It's a good wall but there are better 3 drops than a wall + treasure: gruul spellbreaker, runic armasaur for a better wall + card draw, or wayward swordtooth for ramp + the board size. I'd split the last 2 for replacements, you can tutor up the one you need or sac it for phoenix if not: no need for cards or a wall, sac an armasaur; no lands or city's blessing, sac a swordtooth. I should also mention this is the most fun deck I've seen in standard in a while. Great brew. My criticism is totally constructive I also might main deck vivien for flyers and card advantage. Maybe...
Opponent punted game one. He cast Fight with Fire with Kicker and then copied it with Expansion, sent both copies at your creatures. When Fight With Fire is kicked, it allows you to target players as well. He could have sent two instances of 10 damage at your face and won the game on the spot. I get not everyone is aware of this interaction but it was his own card, and he should have been reading it as a control player.
I use a Temur list too but have Hadana's climb and a End-Raze Forerunner in there. Missing 3 Phoenixes sadly but the deck is quite fun. Rhythm of the Wild is great
Alright Seth... if you're gonna keep calling her vann 'o fear can we at least get vannifar driving a van with an epic terrifying paint job as the thumbnail? I think that's a fair compromise.
I think it was a necessary evil. We need to make the opponent use it, or else they can just keep holding it up (and if we attack with less than they get to survive and keep holding it up).
Seth, what part made you realize you were up against another Vannifar deck? You commented they may be playing it before we saw the Vannifar, so I'm just curious. Very interesting semi mirror
Weird that Seth kept giving Phoenix haste when it was rezzing with haste. Also when playing from hand he could have given it haste and attacked before Prime Speaking it...
Seth will you help me with making 4 color pod to abuse judith triggers pinging your own Cacaphodon to speed up the curve....The ceiling to sack llanowar elves and get Muldrotha just sounds good to me.
Time of day maybe? I noticed over the past couple weeks that when I play after work, it is actually pretty fun until around 8-9 in the morning when every match starts being against the same 2-3 decks.
There's a lot more variety. I think people have been playing a lot of maindeck red deck hate because of the meta and red players have shifted away from it as a result.
been playing this on mtga, super strong deck. good even if you never play a vannifar. sometimes when i play the deck i have the vannifar in hand but have ramped so quickly that playing her even hasted would be slower then casting from my hand. getting it for paper. i do like skarrgan hellkite instead of seige though. seige is a good sideboard card though.
My inner voice is screaming everytime a mistake is made which is often xD, I like the deck idea though trying to get ideas to improve my vannifar deck atm
@Melissa Grenier Well Biogenic Ooze can make more oozes if Seth can get the mana for it (he should be able to with Incubation Druid). I believe Seth punted since he could attack with the constantly growing tokens, and just make more and more of them while the opponent uses Settle to remain alive.
Isnt shimmer and anticipate strictly better than impulse? Or are you playing it to play on turn 1 with the heavy green curve? Also i think adaptation would be cute to make all your guys oozes or goblins.
It's good and wins games almost every time it hits play. He would need to run more 7-drops though, just one Pelakka Wurm isn't really enough I don't think. Maybe it is though, I run 2 of each in my deck.
Just replace your 3 drop. Armasaur is a better wall with card draw, swordtooth is ramp + you get a big board with the ooze and gobs. Pelakka goes great in the deck.
Forerunners is an 8 drop, so you would still need Pelakka Wurm for Vannifar. You would probably have to have a 2nd in case you draw one though. It would also give you the card draw from Pelakka as well when you switch for Forerunners.
I get that they tried to “fix” birthing pod by making Vannifar a creature with a casting cost of 2UG, and having its activation only at sorcery speed but... She just seems sooooo disgusting anyway. Not gonna lie, I’m kinda worried about standard (and modern for that matter) at the moment.
It's something I'm gathering feedback on. Best of one make Gladiators different than the other series, which I think is a good thing, but if people don't like it switching to best of three is certainly a possibility, especially now that there's ranked best of three.
@@MTGGoldfish Thanks for the reply! Please put me firmly in the camp of wanting best of 3 because best of 1 is just a completely different game experience. You almost cant recommend these decks for people to play at their FNM because its basically a completely different game when you dont get to sideboard.
at 24 minutes you cast phoenix to sac it without hasting in for damage... i'm sure other people are yelling at you for this, lol, but never leave damage on the table! you know that! you tell us that! it think sometimes you get too focused on the combo and not the actual path to victory, tbh
I think that it's so it can be used in both Bo1 and Bo3 matches. Someone may see this deck, like it, and want to play it physically at FMN, or even Bo3 on Arena and this gives them a whole deck with options for changing since it has a sideboard.
The opponent played worse tbh. The attack into settle hardly qualified as a punt (it was one of 2 justifiable attacks). Not putting a counter on sailor of means was bad (and so was giving double haste to a phoenix) but the opponent wasting removal on Phoenix was way worse.
@@melissagrenier2200 He should've only attacked with one ooze. Keeping an ooze allows you to rebuild without having to cast more cards, and also would've continued to grow the oozes to be bigger than Niv.
Ummm wtf you saw them fetch a settle but you still don’t attack a round it. Like attack with the one ooze with 5 power and keep building the board. I’m confused I mean he still won but like don’t be scared.
Bo3 ranked started on standard, so bo1 will only be for the die hards who want mythic as fast as possible. Are you going to focus on more Bo3 content now that Bo1 isn't so pushed?
If we swing less than our opponent can take it (or have something like Seal Away or Warrant // Warden to kill one creature and keep the Settle for the next turn).
In my opinion, Bo1 is a very uninsteresting format and now that ranked Bo3 is a thing, I see no reason to stick to Bo1 in arena (just a piece of feedback, since you specifically asked for it in the video)
Seth I swear to God if you give the Rekindling Phoenix from the yard haste with Riot one more time...
Haste, haste ;)
@@MTGGoldfish it's the same as firster strike
Aaaaaaahhhhh that bothered me so much!!! Lol, it wouldn’t be a Goldfish Gameplay without some good old RTFC mishaps.
Jajajajajaja incredible!
Someone once said that a creature with double haste gains double strike.
Seth rekindling phenix when It dies and comes back it’s given haste so why did you dive it haste with rhythm
nosniboR naI A Punt Has Been Initiated
I thought of the same punt at 12:25
It happens multiple times
seth doesnt read cards
Kman Cman or reads them wrong.
I cringed evertime he gave a reanimated Phoenix haste
Right
sometimes you just need double hast
OMG YESS!!!!
Whoever built that Runaway Steam-Kin storm deck, I salute you. I've been playing that deck for a long time.
This deck looks sweeeet! The interaction between rhythm of the wild and incubation druid is awesome
That Ravager Wurm fight animation is so cool.
Not so much of a fight though.
Why did you attack with both Oozes after your opponent revealed the Settle the wreckage?!? They were your win condition.
He still won lol
Yeah idk...
@@xXNorthernWindXx That doesn't mean it was a smart play? At all?
I’m pretty sure he wanted to force the Settle because he had lethal with Pelakka
There's no point in attacking unless you can force the opponent to play settle. An overly careful player wouldn't have played settle if it wasn't absolutely necessary.
What is the point in giving Haste to Sailor of Means?
An extra point of damage if instant clear?
I can't see why you wouldn't always put a +1/+1 counter.
I guess I should have put counters on this more often. I think my main thought was we were sacrificing it anyway so it didn't especially matter, but that's not the more correct way to play.
Did not expect that Wurm to just up and eat Lyra. Very cool design!
Lyra assassin!
Seth, please, there's just not an E in Vannifar, it's not hard
He isn't Vannifraid to mispronounce card names.
Welcome to seth better kno...
Funny that he says LlanoWAR then follows it up withVanniFEAR without ever considering it.
"... to another episode of Goldfish Gladiators, this week with Primespeaker Vaniwar! ..."
1:05 he said it right here.
23:20 you should attack with Phoenix THEN sacrifice it
This is what I came looking for thank you
Love your content...can you make a sideboard guide for this deck?
Seth’s WAHUUUHAOO?!s are my favorite noises in the world
@23:30, you should have given the Phoenix haste, attacked with it, and then sacrificed it secondary main phase.
When I first saw vannifar at prerelease I thought it was bad because of prime speakers classically being unplayable in standard but your videos have convinced me it’s playable, Seth! But it might just be good in a standard right now in a meta that shifted a bit to life gain and away from x4 targeted removals. It’s going into my pod commander deck for sure!! (Which reminds me there are things in my temur pod deck that make vannifar’s ability flash)
Definitely want to watch best of 3 not best of 1. Thanks for the great content.
I always love how much fun you have each Game!!
It's a really fun deck!
Gotta replace that 3 drop. It's a good wall but there are better 3 drops than a wall + treasure: gruul spellbreaker, runic armasaur for a better wall + card draw, or wayward swordtooth for ramp + the board size. I'd split the last 2 for replacements, you can tutor up the one you need or sac it for phoenix if not: no need for cards or a wall, sac an armasaur; no lands or city's blessing, sac a swordtooth.
I should also mention this is the most fun deck I've seen in standard in a while. Great brew. My criticism is totally constructive
I also might main deck vivien for flyers and card advantage. Maybe...
Seth this video was awesome!!
This decks gives you so much to think about, you punted so hard, but still won very hard. Impressive, really
Temur pod! So excited to see this here!
Vannifar, Vanefear, Vennafar...Moun'ain
Opponent punted game one. He cast Fight with Fire with Kicker and then copied it with Expansion, sent both copies at your creatures. When Fight With Fire is kicked, it allows you to target players as well. He could have sent two instances of 10 damage at your face and won the game on the spot.
I get not everyone is aware of this interaction but it was his own card, and he should have been reading it as a control player.
If you knew he had settle, why did you attack with both actually oozes instead of the tokens?
12:28 why did you choose haste? It has it by default when rebirthing...
I guess double haste isn't all that helpful.
First hand 6:45
You are killing me with the Phoenix. It already has haste when it comes back from the yarf
I use a Temur list too but have Hadana's climb and a End-Raze Forerunner in there. Missing 3 Phoenixes sadly but the deck is quite fun. Rhythm of the Wild is great
Alright Seth... if you're gonna keep calling her vann 'o fear can we at least get vannifar driving a van with an epic terrifying paint job as the thumbnail? I think that's a fair compromise.
No multani at 6? Sac multani for peleka replay multani sounds sweet.
Watching him attack into settle the wreckage hurts my soul
But he had to do it though
I think it was a necessary evil. We need to make the opponent use it, or else they can just keep holding it up (and if we attack with less than they get to survive and keep holding it up).
Game one you punted when you got black Phoenix and gave it haste. It gets haste as it comes back.
double haste is so relevant in this format!
Seth, what part made you realize you were up against another Vannifar deck? You commented they may be playing it before we saw the Vannifar, so I'm just curious. Very interesting semi mirror
Weird that Seth kept giving Phoenix haste when it was rezzing with haste. Also when playing from hand he could have given it haste and attacked before Prime Speaking it...
Yeah, things might have gone a bit wrong with Phoenix.
Seth will you help me with making 4 color pod to abuse judith triggers pinging your own Cacaphodon to speed up the curve....The ceiling to sack llanowar elves and get Muldrotha just sounds good to me.
Ohh, that sounds sweet!
Why adventurous impulse over that Simic split uncommon?
9:00 Ah Seth no!!! Keep the rhythm in your hand in case they cleansing nove enchantments!
legacy vannifar deck? Please?
Hey can you all up like this so he’ll see. Seth when’s the next Brewers Minute? I’m a big fan of that series.
I've seen some loose plays from Seth, but today the punts are kinda ridiculous.
I think Sarkhans Unsealing would fit pretty nice in this deck.
16:45 Why does the pelakka wurm not get countered by the ionize?
Rythm of the Wild makes creature spells you control uncounterable, opponent probably knew it but Ionized it just to draw a card off Niv Mizzet
Cool deck Seth
Thanks!
When will we be playing Arcades?
So wait when did best of one become varied again? I played two days ago and it was all mono red. Or did he just get lucky?
Since the new season started I've found it a bit more varied.
Time of day maybe? I noticed over the past couple weeks that when I play after work, it is actually pretty fun until around 8-9 in the morning when every match starts being against the same 2-3 decks.
I like playing when it's all mono red. I can play a straight counter to mono red and rake in the gold.
There's a lot more variety. I think people have been playing a lot of maindeck red deck hate because of the meta and red players have shifted away from it as a result.
been playing this on mtga, super strong deck. good even if you never play a vannifar. sometimes when i play the deck i have the vannifar in hand but have ramped so quickly that playing her even hasted would be slower then casting from my hand.
getting it for paper. i do like skarrgan hellkite instead of seige though. seige is a good sideboard card though.
and yeah unless you draw like you stacked your deck you lose to mono red aggro
How do you get the vault progress to show in game? I cant see my vault progress unless i dig through the files
Holy googlymoogly, seth started saying vannifar correctly part of the way through the deck tech. Will it last?
Nope.
well i play a vannifar deck aswell, and i can tell you, pot-ing the pelakka into the Craterhoof-Boars is INSANE
Ohh, I forgot about the Board, could be a good addition.
Just wondering, is there a way to remove counters to untap a creature? I could see that going infinite with the adapt dork
Not in Standard, although there might be in older formats.
My inner voice is screaming everytime a mistake is made which is often xD, I like the deck idea though trying to get ideas to improve my vannifar deck atm
Mirror March would be fun in this
You knew they had Settle, so why did you just swing the oozes into that?
To force it? If he wasn't playing around it he'd have swung with everything.
@Melissa Grenier Well Biogenic Ooze can make more oozes if Seth can get the mana for it (he should be able to with Incubation Druid). I believe Seth punted since he could attack with the constantly growing tokens, and just make more and more of them while the opponent uses Settle to remain alive.
Seth is just reveling in his Gruul ways by giving Rekindling Phoenix double haste.
Just a random request here. Would you consider putting the arena costs (rare/mythics)?
Isnt shimmer and anticipate strictly better than impulse? Or are you playing it to play on turn 1 with the heavy green curve?
Also i think adaptation would be cute to make all your guys oozes or goblins.
Not strictly better.
Yeah something that's cheaper and a different color is never strictly worse
Attack into a known Settle the Wreckage... still win. That's the power of Rhythm.
what do you think about adding end-raze forerunners?
It's good and wins games almost every time it hits play. He would need to run more 7-drops though, just one Pelakka Wurm isn't really enough I don't think. Maybe it is though, I run 2 of each in my deck.
I like the idea, although Pelakka Wurm is really good at keeping us alive against aggro.
Just replace your 3 drop. Armasaur is a better wall with card draw, swordtooth is ramp + you get a big board with the ooze and gobs. Pelakka goes great in the deck.
Forerunners is an 8 drop, so you would still need Pelakka Wurm for Vannifar. You would probably have to have a 2nd in case you draw one though. It would also give you the card draw from Pelakka as well when you switch for Forerunners.
Phoenix has haste when it revives. That double hate hurt.
How y’all day
How is Seth’s Vault visible?
It shows up if it's more than 100% full.
Thank you!
seth I think the combination of mispronouncing Vannifar and double haste birds physically prevented me from finishing this video
You can never have too much haste!
MTGGoldfish it’s ok sometimes creatures need Haster
Vanafir???
vannaFEAR (apparently)
Seth being seth
Good ol' Prime rib Jennifer.
I get that they tried to “fix” birthing pod by making Vannifar a creature with a casting cost of 2UG, and having its activation only at sorcery speed but... She just seems sooooo disgusting anyway. Not gonna lie, I’m kinda worried about standard (and modern for that matter) at the moment.
Isnt pod socery speed as well?
yes
Gregory Grill Oops, my bad.
OOOOOOOooooooof the thought of instant speed Pod
Why on earth are we not playing best of 3?
It's something I'm gathering feedback on. Best of one make Gladiators different than the other series, which I think is a good thing, but if people don't like it switching to best of three is certainly a possibility, especially now that there's ranked best of three.
@@MTGGoldfish Thanks for the reply! Please put me firmly in the camp of wanting best of 3 because best of 1 is just a completely different game experience.
You almost cant recommend these decks for people to play at their FNM because its basically a completely different game when you dont get to sideboard.
🎼🎵🎶And I raaaaaaaaan, I ran so fear awaaaaay🎶🎵🎼
at 24 minutes you cast phoenix to sac it without hasting in for damage... i'm sure other people are yelling at you for this, lol, but never leave damage on the table! you know that! you tell us that! it think sometimes you get too focused on the combo and not the actual path to victory, tbh
omg, and you keep giving the hasty phoenix haste instead of the counter... so much damage left on the table... lol
Yeah, I deserve some amount of yelling for that one.
2:23 for all you guys in the comments complaining about his mispronunciation
I am wondering why you have a sideboard if you are playing bo1? If this is meant for bo1 the main should have already have the silver bullets.
I think that it's so it can be used in both Bo1 and Bo3 matches. Someone may see this deck, like it, and want to play it physically at FMN, or even Bo3 on Arena and this gives them a whole deck with options for changing since it has a sideboard.
Not nearly enough, "Well, the rhythm IS gonna get ya" puns for my liking.
Van O' Fear: It's a white van with free candy written on it.
Game one puntfest
Amazing deck aniways
The opponent played worse tbh. The attack into settle hardly qualified as a punt (it was one of 2 justifiable attacks). Not putting a counter on sailor of means was bad (and so was giving double haste to a phoenix) but the opponent wasting removal on Phoenix was way worse.
@@melissagrenier2200 He should've only attacked with one ooze. Keeping an ooze allows you to rebuild without having to cast more cards, and also would've continued to grow the oozes to be bigger than Niv.
Mass hysteria in moder?
Vanni-FEAR isn't the name Seth. It's Vanni-FAR.
It is now!
Came here for multiple VanniFEAR spellings, wasn't dissapointed.
Opponent: paying 4 life to prevent 1 damage
Ummm wtf you saw them fetch a settle but you still don’t attack a round it. Like attack with the one ooze with 5 power and keep building the board. I’m confused
I mean he still won but like don’t be scared.
Bo3 ranked started on standard, so bo1 will only be for the die hards who want mythic as fast as possible. Are you going to focus on more Bo3 content now that Bo1 isn't so pushed?
24:50
Why the heck would u swing so much into that settle!?!? Like why not just send in like one ooze and a token smh
Because then the opponent doesn't need to settle
If we swing less than our opponent can take it (or have something like Seal Away or Warrant // Warden to kill one creature and keep the Settle for the next turn).
Who else laughing at people comenting on Vanafeer in the comments? Classic Seth bamboozle xD
People dont complaing about Vannifear WITHOUT listen to ALL video. Vannifear is a nickname that Seth uses... get over it!
Rhythm is a good card (at worst) in all matches 😂
Yeah, it's never really bad (and especially good in some matchups).
It isn't so good against mono red if you can't get it out early with elf but that is the same with most cards x)
More Vannifar. MORE
when in doubt bolt the bird
A two manas 12/12 trample still a good magic card....
Van-i-fear???
Seth its FAR not FEAR!!!!!
I was watching until he swung BOTH biogenic ooze into a settle instead of the tokens. awful
overextending against control like that right from the get-go… smh
VanniFAR seth not vannifear
Great deck! But bo1 forces me to give a thumbs down unfortunately.
Hmm, well maybe we'll have to go best of three in the future.
Huh you’re doing bo1 because it’s ranked ? For what reason...
12:25 REEEEEEEEEEEEE
IT ALREADY HAS HASTE
Nope. Still can't pronounce Vannifar.
Vannifar.... Just think Jennifer with a V and the last syllable is far....
In my opinion, Bo1 is a very uninsteresting format and now that ranked Bo3 is a thing, I see no reason to stick to Bo1 in arena (just a piece of feedback, since you specifically asked for it in the video)
Just call it Jennifer.
#BigMammaPelakka