We are watching the misogynistic backlash to MeToo in real time. People are now coming after Evan Rachel Wood and Kesha saying that their allegations are false solely due to the reaction to the Depp/Heard trial and this is so worrying and disgusting.
"What if your gut is racist." Great line. people have so many internalized biases, it's difficult to exclude them from your decision making in the moment.
Internalization is a lot. You need to untangle this shit before you understand. People who want to brush it all off don't realize how much it fucks with you throughout your life
@@meatpuppet5036 I don't believe unconscious bias is a formal psychology term but people can absolutely be primed to think in certain ways with repeating exposure to a stimulus. people build associations in their minds their whole lives. johnny depps career fell off before heard's abuse allegations, but before then, he was in a lot of popular movies. clearly the american public has build positive associations with the actor, leading them to sympathize and trust him. so many of his followers have admitted they believe him at least in part due to the fact that they like his movies, or because his movie roles are associated with positive feelings of happiness or nostalgia for them.
@@meatpuppet5036 Oh please. Unconscious bias #ImplicitBias exists. Black children receive less analgesia in hospital than white kids in the US. That's one single example from a huge range of IB problems that exist in healthcare alone. We all carry IB
*"the theater of true crime is to tell the tragic stories of good, clean, dead women. not living, flawed, messy women who still need help and grace, those women are criminalized. because if she can breathe she can lie and therefore we can doubt her and therefore we cannot really believe her"*
Godddd I hate 'body language experts.' Body language was my abuser's #1 rationalization for all the times he hurt me. 'He could tell I was lying,' 'He could tell I was cheating.' Neither of those things happened, but the facts didn't matter more than his 'trial by vibes.' But I hate people who go 'that sounds hot' about rape testimony even more. There's no fucking 'irony' there, they're just telling _countless people who've been violated,_ 'I agree with your attacker, that sounds really enjoyable.' It doesn't 'just' apply to the people they've decided are 'liars,' it's all of us. Someone says that to me, I start thinking in the direction of self-defense, because that is an absolutely _predatory_ thing to say. Excellent video, sorry it had to be made. What a shitty situation.
I legit had someone tell me you can tell if someone is lying if they look up and left and they could use that in court. Madness, body language and stuff like that is not an actual verified field of study and the fact people think it has any weight is mind blowing.
A lot of the time they have 0 legit qualifications or experience as well. There are actual qualifications and jobs that involve body language reading, a lot of these experts usually only have a degree and thats it.
I'm thankful for both of you being brave enough to say the hard things. Helps me retain my sanity. This situation reminds me of what Kanye is doing to Kim. I've been stalked before and the onslaught of jokes about Kanye's abuse made me feel like I was losing my mind. It doesn't matter how public someone's life is, nor does their likability. No one deserves to be stalked and harassed like this, nor to have it mocked by the masses.
the public reaction to this trial has been absolutely terrifying to witness. as a mentally ill and bi woman who has experienced domestic abuse, it’s been very sobering to see peers and strangers on and offline joking about crazy b*tches who need to be institutionalized, gross bi women who have threesomes and cheat on their male partners with the first woman they see-but are also faking being gay for clout, and judging emotional reactions to decide whether or not someone is a “real” victim… and then saying “oh but i don't mean *you,* i mean amber heard!” NONE of this is being done in the name of abuse survivors. i’m SO sick of people using survivors as a shield from criticism when i’ve been having recurring nightmares about my abuser for the first time in years because of how utterly inescapable and triggering this trial is. i don't see ANY way i could possibly feel safe and validated as a survivor right now when it’s so obvious this reaction is only happening out of bigotry and celebrity worship.
If it's any consolation the fact this comment section let alone this video is a thing is a blessing, it means that there are folks who care. Not all of us have a mob mentality, we think rationally and can tell the difference between a man wronged and entitled celebrity who's clearly sexist and a gloating misogynist. Amber isn't completely innocent but I can't imagine what their home life was like. Amber deserves better, bi women deserve better, humans deserve better. Sorry I'm still mad. I'm sorry you suffered that & I'm glad you survived it❤ We as a people need to do better but us as individuals I wish you guys the best. Do whatever helps your mentality stay healthy❤✨
So much here that is important and necessary that most people are justifiably too scared to say, but with regard to never coming forward about your own trauma and the people who’ve hurt you? Truer words never spoken. It’s never worth it. Even if you have support at the outset, regardless of the truthfulness of your story, it will always be weaponized against you eventually.
What worries me as an attorney is that any jury/ judge in this case is as terrified to rule against him as most influencers are to speak out against him. That isn't how our justice system should work. Depp's case is quite poor, from a legal standpoint, as any objective attorney will agree. The case shouldn't have been brought, at least not against Heard. And then, it should've been dismissed. He's not even suing the PUBLISHER that profited from the article. Furthermore, this is a civil case for money, so even if you believe Depp that Heard knowingly lied with malicious intent, he still has to prove actual damages caused by her statements, and he hasn't done that. His reputation had been negative for the past decade, not because of Heard, but because he was habitually late and intoxicated at public events and every movie he was hired for. Nevertheless, in such a public, highly-charged case, you can't blame jurors for being afraid to rule against him
As a man who experienced IPV at the hands of a woman, thanks for making this video. Generally when I share my abuse, people respond with either indifference or misogyny (sometimes both). This is normal in our culture. When clips of the trial started appearing in my feed, I felt excited, hopeful- maybe now that male abuse is in the conversation, people will be more willing to have empathy for us. When I actually watched the clips though, something felt off. Depp's charm, the odd collection of dudes in his corner, Reddit eating shit up, his therapist's popularity. And yeah, as you mentioned, the misogyny. I said to myself 'ok, male domestic abuse is being discussed, that's good. I only feel off because trauma and misogyny'. Then I stopped engaging with that content because I can't function if I'm dealing with insomnia and flashbacks. Given that you've experienced IPV as well, I'm blown away that you made this. I know it was hell to do all the research and writing on this. And in spite of that you brought a clear, contextualized, and informed perspective. You changed the way I look at this situation. Absolute queen. Thank you, again.
Hi, I am so so sorry for what you have been through. I find Alex Skeel to be a good example of empathetic public engagement of a dv survivor. He has thankfully escaped the bad relationship he was in, his story is very moving and I wish him the best
The girl LITERALLY shat on the bed... But you still want to believe she was the victim... This only proves that whatever the hell bad thing happens or happened to you in life, YOU DESERVE IT, because you're one hell of a stupid person.
“If she can breathe, she can lie” - I’ve been shocked by the tidal wave of people online I’ve seen the past few weeks saying exactly this with zero self awareness. Thank you for making this- I really hope people aren’t shitty to you.
I hate HATE public trials. Whether or not Heard is guilty is wayyyy past us at this point. This entire trial is a sham that has dragged her to the point that no matter is she is found guilty or not, her life is ruined and its so deeply frustrating. Its not a matter of legal repercussions anymore. She’ll been punished no matter the outcome.
@@unknownwatcher1123 okay. That’s the point of the trial. The point of our justice system is to determine who has broken the law, not try them in the court of public opinion. There is a reason for a long time cameras were even allowed in court rooms. Criminals, defendants, and anyone in court should be on trial against the court, not the public. It should not the point of the court system to humiliate people, even if they are guilty.
Chile... It's the way that it ain't even about guilty or not guilty. He didn't press charges against her. This is a civil case. He is suing for defamation and he will lose. Hell he would lose even if he never touched her and had overwhelming evidence that proves it. Like it is hard for celebs to win libel cases. You have to prove malice. I mean Cardi B won her case because the defendant literally said she would lie about Carbi B for money which is textbook malice. The whole thing is a sham.
@@doughbaby1369 But What about when Johnny Depp was considered guilty before being able to prove some form of innocence in the court of law? When he lost his roles and his life was put to a halt? Was that okay? That is also an action caused by public opinion. The Majority of US court cases (outside of federal courts) are and should be accessible to the public to be viewed. You can go back to the early eras of courts throughout world history tis is not some new evil crazy thing. But because cameras are now allowed that changes things? that's simply limiting accessibility. Because previously people relied solely on court drawings for famous cases and made judgements off of those as well.
@@RazzyXM22 just because something unfair happens does not mean its okay to inflict on another person. And the reason cameras in court rooms suck is on plain display with this trial. We have people picking apart every action Heard does, analyzing her body language and insisting she isn’t really crying. Courtroom sketches tend to be far more forgiving than the public. You seem to be basing a lot of your argument on something bad happened before so its okay if bad things keep happening. Just because bad things or unfair things are inflicted on someone doesn’t mean we should be content to watch those happen to another.
Something that really bugged me was when Amber Heard's lawyer was trying to bring up the fact that women have been historically over diognised with Borderline Personality Disorder as a way to discredit them, and were often put in mental institutions where they were mistreated and abused, and his phycologist just said "no, that's just a fact that women are statistically more likely to have BPD"... Like that's just another tactic that's been used against women for DECADES, but we're just going to take that as fact, I guess, without any context or understanding. Only shows what an uncritical meaningless circus this whole thing is.
Depp bringing so much more stigma to BPD than there already is is enough for me to never forgive him tbh. I have two family members diagnosed with BPD and they are not abusive or terrible people.
Thank you so much for this video. I feel like part of the reason why people feel so emboldened to take JD's side publicly is due to a lack of visibility of people standing up for Heard. People are playing this massive game of telephone where they heard someone say they read something somewhere and they aren't seeing any big voices correcting these claims or fact checking them, and they aren't willing to do that research themselves, so it becomes their presumed reality.
I have noticed that most people who take JD's side are either reacting to little 2 minute clips or watching the trial through someone else's commentary, instead of the live feed without commentary.
You nailed it, this is exactly right. It’s the natural progression of the spread of misinformation that is driven by social media. Despite the fact that ALL of this is publicly available to be fact-checked, people listen to other people’s interpretations of an already misrepresented fact. And then they add their two cents and spread it further.
This is just such a perfectly worded take on exactly what is happening here I’ve not seen a single ‘pro Johnny’ ppl reference a single piece of evidence that isn’t heavily edited with the source being just I saw it on Twitter or tik tok etc. Its like no one wants to actually do the work themselves and are just all saying the same thing to avoid social crucifixion.
Been kind of sleeping on the 'how much of this is biphobia, mental illness stigma and good ol' American misogyny clouding our judgment' thing, despite that lingering concern, in no small part because people I trust who have been in bad situations seemed convinced. Mob mentality is a hell of a thing.
Are we going to have to wait another 10 years for Amber Heard to get her abuse critically re-examined in the public eye? She’ll be yet another in the line of the Britney’s and Pamela’s, why can’t we ever be for these women right her right now instead of a decade too late?
People like this can say the wildest shit against women in general with no repercussions, but the moment a woman says "my ex boyfriend was abusive" they all attack you with "NOT ALL MEN!!1!" it's exhausting, and then they complain how as a cis het man you can't say anything without being "cancelled"... Come on...
I try saying this and men bombard me with "IT HAPPENS TO MEN TOO!!" "PEOPLE ALWAYS HAVE TO BE CAUTIOUS NOT JUST WOMAN!!" " IF YOUR SCARED OF MEN YOUR SEXIST!!" And like you said, they act like the second they say these things their "cancelled". I always tell people I'm nervous of grown men because of being harassed and affected by misogyny my entire life and men have too much of a victim complex to listen.
@ellie8784 Yeah, I agreed even if women did something dumb people will say "well hit her back even if she is pregnant because she hits him back 😂" like gross!. 🤮 Okay, this was all about skai since she is pregnant, right now and the way she treating her boyfriend is not okay and not the doxxing but dear lord the way people not okay hit back if you pregnant liked what will happened to the pregnant woman if the women where in dangerous or the hormones was out of control or something sorry am just mad about the youtuber Mori and people in the comment section the way tbe act lol!. 😡
As an autistic man, I appreciate that you brought up the bullshit science that is "body language analysis." I've straight-up had people assume what I was thinking or what I believed based on body language, eye contact, etc. my entire life, and it's led to so much anxiety about how I'm "supposed" to act in front of neurotypicals. Look you in the eye? It's creepy. Don't look you in the eye? It's weird/I'm being deceptive. I can't win either way. And I'm not even in court. I would absolutely fail ANY analysis of how my body responds to questions.
"You want things to change so badly, that you are willing to tap into the worst parts of yourself" This hit home so hard. It's so true, that feeling of, if one keeps showing up or gets the right outcome that the relationship will finally get better and course correct, despite all evidence showing to the contrary.
There was even a s3x toy company that made an alcohol bottle shaped toy and labeled it with Amber's name. The absolute DEPRAVITY of that is mind blowing.
I remember my first experience of this “true crime security theater” being a tumblr post of ways to protect yourself from serial k!!!!ers. The advice was things like “don’t have long hair. Ted bundy used to grab women by ponytails as easy victimization.” And I was like…wait what?? It sounds pretty extreme, but a lot of true crime blogs and tips do this same thing; as though your shoe choice or your hairstyle or the way you climb into your car will be so meaningful as to save your life
I remember that post being shared several years ago and it was so baffling. Like, so many of the discussions of safety felt like it was being distorted through the lens of tabloid media and crime shows.
its a lot of larping as “potential dead girl” partly i think, esp given tumblrs demographic - why this happens is a whole other conversation but lets just say its likely not good to tell young white women that “tormented” men are hot and being “prey” is a romantic metaphor. its a whole psychosexual mess and eventually you end up at “the victims were all pretty and looked like this” being a standard part of the conversation
What gets me is that everyone jokes about how terrible her attorneys are, but they don’t stop to wonder if having a mediocre attorney might be impacting how she comes off during the trail.
her attorneys seem to hate her or something because I've seen people on Twitter defend her way better than they have, something is extremely off about this whole thing
@@glitteryfaery Unfortunately, I think the thing that is "off" is Amber. And I (as someone who didn't believe JD and wanted to see him justly punished) watched six weeks of trial and was surprised to hear her speak about what she claims happened, and her ever-shifting narrative. Her own witnesses conflicted her testimony, and when called out on it, she threw her whole team--lawyers and witnesses--under the bus. As horrible and shitty as we are collectively towards women, we would benefit to at least recognize that some people--women included--suffer from a pathological need for attention at all costs. I have no doubt Amber believes she was abused; she could have very easily made a case for abuse by just describing what actually happened to her, but she exaggerated every claim beyond credibility, twisting language around and making accusations that can't be corroborated. I listened to tapes of JD calmly explaining that he needed to leave, and her pleading, begging, threatening, mocking incessantly to prevent it. I'm sorry...she is not credible.
@@theliberation9061 you just said there were contradictions, you didn't say where nor showed any proof of it. Until I see it my opinion about this trial won't really change, it's hard to convince me (as someone who has been through abuse and whose abuser has tried to claim he was the real victim when I merely mentioned things he'd done without naming him) that JD is the victim, especially with the clear power dynamic involved, the graphic details of sexual abuse and the horrific messages he sent about her and others
@@paganpines I've also asked my abuser to stay, begged him, cried and yelled, he was calm then as well, that honestly proves nothing, there are no perfect victims, if you see that as proof that she was in fact the abuser in this case it just shows how little you know about the abuse cycle and abuse in general.
This case really is the perfect example of white male (celebrity) privilege to me because it seems like Johnny’s fans could look at the exact same behavior or piece of evidence and form the polar opposite opinion depending on whether it was presented by Johnny or Amber’s team. (For example, eating/smiling on the stand, drawing pictures, violent texts about the other, violence against inanimate objects, etc) The bias seems almost purposefully obtuse.
Almost? Some people have legit said he's too funny to have done anything bad.. at this point, the ignorance isn't just bliss, it's willful addiction. Imagine how uncomfy it would be to admit crazy pirate bad for someone like that..
i dont understand this. she is writing articles about how abusive he is, when the trial has made it clear that they are both abusing eachother. doesnt he have a right to defend himself?
Yeah, also whenever someone testifies in ambers favour they’re treated as my sh hungry liars whereas when someone testifies in his favour they’re treated as inherently good people for their testimonies. Both are just retelling the events they witnessed
ALSO THANK YOU ON THE GUT REACTIONS THING!! Context: I'm mixed white-black and whenever I go to the airport, I'm usually with my (white) mom and (mixed) sister, while my (black) dad goes the long way because he doesn't have Clear. The amount of times we've been pulled over, accosted, or reported by "well-meaning" white (and sometimes nonwhite!!) people for traf**cking is a number I cannot count on both of my hands. And it's not because we travel a lot. As I got older, the incidents started turning from the racist "hey that's a white woman with two nonwhite kids, are they actually hers??" to the possibly even more racist "hey are those two kids of ambiguous gender accosting a white woman??" And it's NOT because of protocol (I've seen all-one-race families get through without being pulled over) or because it's only the authorities -- I've been questioned by a random middle-aged white woman as to what I was doing around my own mother. Gut feelings are not a reason to not trust someone, you need proof!!
@@anska7475 These are government officials, aren't they? Officials aren't random strangers. Random strangers have no deal bothering people with questions.
Damn! "The theatre of true crime is to tell the stories of good, clean dead women, not living, flawed messy women who still need help and grace. Those women are criminalized. Because if she can breathe, she can lie." 🤯😳🔥🔥 that's such facts! Put it precisely! 😱🙌🙌🙌
I’m so curious about something tho - myth 4 about depps finger being chopped off doesn’t make sense to me? She says he admits to it on the stand but if you click the link in the description he doesn’t. He listens to a damning clip but seems to be still arguing that she did it. **I do get the vibe that he’s lying about it, but isn’t the whole point not to go off vibes and to stick closely to the evidence? I’m not seeing evidence where she says it is.
@@madeleineee6 there’s so many audio clips I don’t even know which one she said it in but she says “you cut your own finger” and he doesn’t counter it with anything. And he texted about how he cut his own finger too. Honestly all this trial is, is a bunch of circumstantial evidence. So all we can do is look at the whole picture and draw our own conclusions 🥵
Here's the one thing i keep coming back to in this civil suit (NOT a criminal trial, though I understand most people don't know the difference): Johnny Depp is the claimant. He started it. He is the initiator, and, if you like, the aggressor Amber Heard has no choice in the matter. She must either appear and defend herself, or accept default judgment (that she defamed JD). Appearing means getting publicly dragged thru the mud. He has been leading the dance the whole way -- what arguments his legal team advances, which items they submit into evidence, which mental health experts and witnesses they bring to the stand. I give her full credit for standing up for herself against a public figure with more money, clout, and fame than herself From the very beginning this suit has been about Johnny Depp protecting his public image. That says a LOT, imo
so happy you're here. hoping more commentary channels will come out with videos like this, because the conversation is so extremely biased and marred with memes and misinformation
the tweet in 2:58 about the memes foreshadowing an "oncoming cultural reversal of Me Too" hit it right on the nose. look at the current attitude towards marilyn manson. it had been pretty much common sense that manson was an abuser and now with depp having won the defamation trial, people are starting to rally around manson
I grew up with an abusive step father and every time I fought back he would hold it over me. He also would call me crazy. My mom would even give me shit for defending myself and fighting back. A lot of the conversation around this trial has just driven me up the wall. Like I saw this tweet that literally said ‘being abused and sexually assaulted does not excuse domestic violence’ and it’s like that’s fighting against your abuser it’s not the same thing!
Thank you for this. As a male victim of domestic abuse, I find the public mocking of Amber in almost lockstep fashion disturbing and insulting. First of all, Johnny Depp is not the martyr for male abuse victim. He is not the one. Second of all this whole situation is seeping with overt misogyny
The way so many people FOLDED on their “progressive, feminist” beliefs when confronted with accusations against a celebrity they enjoy it’s almost predictable
3rd wave feminism is male validation repackaged so no they’re following the script perfectly. They’re so desperate to prove they’re a modern “good feminist” that they are nearly drooling over the chance to take up the case of an “abused man” and publicly virtue signal their support for male victims.
It's what happened after the ''everyone should be a feminist'' started to gain track. You have people claiming to be feminists with the most minimal knowledge on the subject, all they know is what they've read on social media and google here and there. It's typically the kind of feminism that's the easiest to digest because it requires the littlest amount of introspection and critical thinking, not to mention backlash. Why do you think mainstream ''sex-positive'' feminism is so popular and receives the least amount of backlash? But yeah.... everyone should be supporting ''the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes.'', but that doesn't make one a feminist. Imagine someone who identifies with communism walking into a meetup and starting debating marxism while he hasn't even read a single thing by Marx, or even worse... trying to school people or telling people to go ''educate themselves'' while doing it. That's basically a generation of ''feminists'' we're encountering online right now. It's all nice and dandy until you got to take a stance that isn't applauded by the majority or even worse... Realize that you've internalized the misogyny and are part of the problem.
The most infuriating thing to me is seeing JD fans act like Amber Heard is making it harder for women to speak up against dv Like??? No, JD fans being gross and treating this trial like a reality TV show (and, let's be honest, jumping with delight at the opportunity to be misogynistic towards a woman with the thin excuse of her being allegedly an abuser) is what's making it harder for dv victims to speak up. They can't even take responsibility for the toxic environment they're actively creating. It's disgusting. Anyway, thank you for this video. I can barely even imagine the mental energy that must have gone into making and uploading this. Take care and rest up, you deserve it
"when I look at the judgements, when I look at the evidence, when I look at everything, my conscious is clear about where I stand" when you said that it just resonated with me because the whole reason I started obsessively watching the trial is because I felt like I was automatically "siding with Johnny" as the default due to the opinions of those around me. And I realized that I couldn't "side with Johnny" and have a clear conscious. This case has brought my internalized misogyny to the forefront. Thank you for making this video!
i usually don't comment. but i just want to tell you you're extremely courageous. A lot of people got harassed by Depp fans for even saying they didn't like those jokes. I'm extremely disappointed (but not surprised) by the youtube commentary community , especially women who called themselves feminists who seems to chew and spit out the same opinion defending him. Most people couldn't wait to jump on a case like this to punish victims.
I feel the "Why would I?" so much. I've talked about things with close friends, but I'd never talk about it publicly and I'd never attempt to press charges. Because why would I? I'm likely to fail and people are just going to say I'm lying and trying to ruin people's lives. I hate that so many people come to this same conclusion. And I hate that that conclusion often seems like the best bet. Also thank you for talking about this case and how people are treating it. It's everywhere and I hate that people are treating domestic abuse as entertainment and that people are just playing internet sleuth.
"That ruin their lives" infuriates me sooo much I can't even stand it. That was said n at the Brock Turner case where his literally said just that to the judge all "it's not fair to forever ruin his life over a few minutes of action" and then the judge agreed that it is fact wasn't fair and gave him s few months & he served even less. As if that trauma doesn't ruin her life literally forever like wtf. Or the stubanville rapists case where they assaulted that girl over & over filmed it posted it online the whole town didn't want to "ruin those boys lives" blah blah blah And it's treated like those victims lives aren't ruined. There's no truly moving past that kind of stuff even when your abuser was a stranger. When your abuser is a partner how does that not ruin you forever? Haunt you? Change your behavior? Steal your independence&ability to trust? It's so fkn gross I can't even... 🧡🦇
Princess, you'll always have my respect for being the only writer at The Mary Sue who took the sexual assault accusations against Joe Biden seriously, while everyone else there couldn't wait to bury the news under the rug and ban anyone in the comments section who dared pointing it out (myself included). Tara Reade is another example of an imperfect victim being viciously discredited by people who should've known better.
I have to admit seeing this video has restored a little faith in me. Thank you for this video. It’s been weeks where all I’ve seen is content creators I used to like reporting a completely manipulated version of the story. Those who didn’t do it because of their own misogyny, probably did it just to appeal to the general public. But it’s been so discouraging. This whole thing only shows that the world is ready to believe abuse victims only if they’re submissive, quiet, if they take any punch and beating without saying anything in response. The minute you raise your voice against your abuser, nobody will believe you anymore Everything has been so awful and depressing. Thank you for not just trying to going with the tide. You don’t know how much videos like these help.
I had purposefully not kept up with this trial so I had no idea how bad the situation on social media had gotten until I saw popular Twitch streamers xQc and Pokimane talk so casually about how the trial was great content during their podcast and I just felt sick to my stomach. Thank you for talking about this although I know it couldn’t have been easy. This is all so mentally and emotionally exhausting but it helps to know others see the seriousness of domestic violence and the misogyny influencing peoples reaction to this case.
It's been coming for a while, the memeification of everything. People are so used to memes and the internet and it's even easier to be detached from awful situations. Whatever you think of the trial, it should not have been public and become fodder for clickbait because it's just disgusting.
Yeah. Props to everyone speaking out, I think we could make a difference if *all* of us started doing it- but like with JD and AH’s relationship, there is a power dynamic with this. people openly supportive of Depp are overwhelmingly praised while those believing Heard, attempting to be neutral about the case, or even saying that joking about the case is bad are almost certain to be spammed with comments and insulted- if not threatened with physical assault. I won’t tell my friends to speak out about this because I don’t want them to be threatened.
@@lga7134 we need to fight, I've started doing it. I am not comfortable for us to be silenced into submission. we are allowed to question and challenge what social media shows
That bit about body language science makes sense, same reason a lie detector is nothing to put your faith in either. Sometimes I watch JCS Criminal Psychology and similar channels, and the narrator is always *so* confident he can tell you when the suspect (who we know from hindsight going in) is guilty because of how they move, twitch, where they look. It'll be like, "You can tell with full certainty that when the suspect moves his hand behind his thigh, he was definitely raped by his mother - if he moves it in front of his thigh, it was the other way around. Taking this into consideration, it's no wonder he got into hard drugs and furry art that lead him down the path of double homicide." It also shakes me with how seemingly in awe he always is at the way cops will straight lie to and manipulate the suspects to trick information out of them. Yeah, we know they did it, but what if they do this to innocent people too? What if an innocent person gives all the nervous ticks and hand gestures they consider telling of dishonesty?
You're right to an extent, body language analysis is garbage. But there are some things that hold almost certain across cases. For example, an innocent defendant (or one who believes they're innocent) usually proclaims their innocence from the beginning and acts angry about being accused. If a defendant does anything except that, it's likely there is some level of guilt for something. Whether it's the crime being investigated is the question. Sometimes these individuals are acting sketchy for other reasons, e.g., they didn't commit this double homic*de, but they are dealing illegal substances
@@scarletsletter4466 I'd still have to look further into it, but I can see how it's different. I may have behaved similarly when some dickhead from loss prevention at a store I used to work at grilled me like a criminal over the phone, and I confessed to taking a cheap, little bouncy ball I found rolling around loose in an aisle. Turned out they thought I was stealing from the register because they saw me exchanging bigger bills into smaller bills on the camera. I didn't even know I couldn't do that, since my previous job let me do it all the time! Fortunately, they didn't care about the bouncy ball, but if I hadn't suspected that, I like to think I would have been more angry with them because I really had no idea what he could be on about besides.
Excellent video. The sheer number of "body language experts" preying on the situation like vultures and the Depp crowd rabidly eating it all up has been particularly frustrating for me.
I remember reading the book: Know My Name by Chanel Miller. She shares the story of her being raped, the aftermath, and the slap on the wrist her attacker received from the judge. It is one of the most profound books I’ve ever read. It is hard to read at times, it angers me, and more. I’m frustrated with news media and how the court system works. Primarily because if I were ever to become a victim. I know my story would not be mine and my scars would be put on display for all to see. (The following is shared with permission) A friend of mine was brutally attacked in our university parking lot, and she is STILL waiting for her rape kit to be processed. This world is mind boggling.
I find it very strange that even in spaces where the Depp vs. Heard case is being discussed without all the memeification baloney that there still seems to be this notion that they’re sniffing out The Abuser. It’s not some “who done it” game of Clue where there is one incident that you have to solve. Interpersonal relationships are complicated!
Its not some "who done it", but the idea of mutual abuse is a fictional one perpetrated by abusers (typically female, not always) to incriminate their victim and vindicate their own abuse of them. Abuse is messy and complicated, but there absolutely is an abuser and a victim.
Over one year later and Depp is the face of cologne campaigns. Meanwhile, Amber is laying low in Madrid. Major news outlets are only just now parroting the points you made in this video. You took Amber's side before the tide turned in her favor, before it became trendy to do so. Thank you for this video. No one else was standing up for her back then. It's better to stand alone than be wrong.
it is fucking terrifying to witness the online and social reaction to the trial. if the domestic abuse that had happened to my family and the trials surrounding it had been publicly fought and exposed to votes of sympathy and charisma i dont know how it would have ended and i dont want to know
I’ve been deeply uncomfortable with the way that people have been talking about this trial to me, especially women I consider educated and caring friends. This video has been the first thing I’ve seen that really encapsulates all of my discomfort.
The devil works hard but body language analysis youtubers worker harder. It's cruel to be this hypercritical of someone's reactions, especially when recounting trauma or being in the same room as their abuser. Humans are biased creatures and if you want to believe that someone is being deceitful, your mind will look for anything to give you an excuse to distrust them. It's so sad that in 2022 these types of videos still have a hold over the public.
I had to walk out of my baby daddy’s house when discussing the trial. He was trying to argue depp was a victim of DV and only engaged in reactive abuse… I’ve been the victim of DV and abuse since our relationship ended. He has not. It made me so angry. He has no idea. Our society hates women so much. It’s disgusting and I don’t understand when it’s other women partaking in vilifying women. Amber is incredibly strong and brave but she shouldn’t have to be. I hope she knows that she has helped so many women who have experienced or will experience domestic abuse. Her courage has helped me to not be ashamed The assistant meant that she shared her SA story with Amber and then Amber spoke about it. So she never meant claimed it as her own. She meant repeated it to others.
I've been avoiding anything regarding the trial until its conclusions, but you're right. I did not realize how many of the myths you broke down in your conclusion I was already familiar with. These opinions have already percolated through the public sphere and with them all of the preconceived notions that others have already formed. Amber Heard isn't a good person but if she is an SA victim, she definitely does not deserve this onslaught of slander. It truly does feel like Gamergate 2.0.
So nauseating to witness people treat this court case like free content. Vile, and just confirms that women don’t truly have the freedom to come forward about their abuse. This poor woman. I hope she doesn’t find any of these tiktoks, the merch, the tweets… A true nightmare scenario. This was a hard video to watch :(
How about a man having the freedom to come forward about their abuse? Just going to gloss over the fact this is about a male abuse victim trying to clear his name from an abuser ruining his life and rep after he escaped her?
Every creator I've seen acknowledged Depps guilt has been aggressively harrassed by his fans. I agree with you and now I'm scared for you because his supporters are... scary
Thank you for making this. This trial has been triggering, traumatizing. As a victim of sexual abuse and as a mother to a daughter, I already live in fear of what my child faces. We should not be silenced, though it's difficult at times to speak up, and I'm so relieved that someone with a platform had the courage to make this. Thank you.
One of the biggest things I've seen as someone with schizoaffective is that people's "gut reactions" often target homeless disabled people who can't conform to normal expectations. I have seen so many women try to justify calling the police on people with nothing or other forms of violence just because someone talks to themselves or isn't in touch with reality.
i'm not gonna lie, i have found myself caught up in the story being told by jd's team especially towards the start of the trial. but as time has gone on, the more i see myself in amber, the more i see my father (who abused me for 20 years) in johnny and the more i think about the fact that nobody would believe me in a court setting. the hardest part about convincing people that my father isn't who he seems is that he just seems so fucking cool and charming and smart and shit. i know that if we were both to try and convince a jury, not only would they believe that he was a perfect father, but that i THE CHILD, someone who is currently 20, and was 3-17 when most of the shittiness occurred, was actually the abuser. that i treated him terribly. its so easy to believe jd's story because he tells a great story. but that doesn't mean its true. I'm trying to care less about the trial. I've been so caught up in it that I've been feeling ill everyday since it started really. thank you for this video. will definitely return when i need a compassionate reminder of the fact that just because people don't often believe me, doesn't mean I'm lying.
I feel this. I've been wondering if my urge to "both sides" this has to do with being trained by my mother, my ex-boyfriend, my ex-husband, and various exploitative acquaintances to believe abusers. And that really scares me, because I also see a lot of my experience in Amber Heard's.
I’ve been the same, though mostly seeing my mother’s story in amber rather than my own. Despite witnessing DV of my mother as a child and being gaslit about it by the abuser, I initially thought nothing of DP’s lawsuit, took it for granted a year ago that he was the “real victim” until hearing about this current case and realizing… what the hell was I thinking? It is so so important to think about structural power in this scenario. To consider the context, how cherry-picked quotes and even video evidence doesn’t tell the whole story. I know my mom seldom if ever captured the whole of her altercations on audio- you’re not just able to start recording at the beginning like that. Her agression towards my dad could easily be used to frame her as the perpetrator or claim that they were equally abusive
@@AN-tw7uj if you can, please read the transcript for the UK trial, it pretty much shows that JD is the abuser in this situation He lost the trial to prove that he isn't 'a wife beater' (the trial was against UK newspaper the Sun and that was their headline), now, I absolutely dispise newspapers like the Sun and always have but, the case clearly lays out why JD lost, and why the judge found credible evidence that proves the headline is not false and that JD is an abuser
I've been avoiding news about the case, and I didn't realize it till a few days ago. I just knew that reading it, and reading what others said about it, was going to hurt me. I really appreciate your take here, because it makes me feel like I'm not crazy for how I feel, and that sense of caution I have around this trial and the response to it.
Can I say I was in tears listening to this. I'm so scared to talk about certain things because in afraid of being labeled a crazy birch who wants to ruin a mans life. Thank you for your support. It really means a lot
I don't know who's the abusive party in the Depp vs Heard trial (this is not an invitation to be told), but I am deeply uncomfortable with the language and circus surrounding it, and the way the topics of serious abuse and rape are turned into entertainment and monetized content. I'm also disgusted by the repeated stigmatisation of people with personality disorders and addiction. In the end the only ones winning here are 1) publicists 2) the ghouls participating in and feeding the circus for clout and mondtary gain. This trial has done nothing to help male victims of abuse, or victims of abuse in general. If anything it's made the conversation around "imperfect" victims so much worse.
I keep thinking about the second verse of the song Courtney by The Narcissist Cookbook: I don't know why we blame it on her It seems easy to say "Courtney Love is capable of murder" Without having much of anything to back that up I might be going out on a limb here but I think Society doesn't seem to like women at the best of times But we get really mad when they fuck our rockstars, you know? "Kurt Cobain belongs to us" we cried So naturally when he died Everybody said: Courtney did it I guess there's not much of a difference between rock stars and the kind of actor that Depp is.
im a (trans) male victim of various forms of abuse and it took me a long time to even muster the energy to engage with this topic. I saw whispers of it and it put me on edge in a way i havent been in years. I saw what depp was claiming and wanted to believe him but i just felt strange about it. and the more i saw the more that ability to believe him was chipped away and now i cant stand to look at him. this whole case is so triggering and you literally cannot escape it on social media anymore. i just hope amber can recover somehow
Earlier on when things were coming out several yrs ago, my immediate reaction was you should listen to people when they call out abuse, so I believe Amber. It hasn't changed. Then *this* trial has exploded onto social media. I've seen some wild takes like its a circus, and the backlash against MeToo is horrifying. You are extremely on point about everyone is scrabbling to be in this narrative, and its really freaking weird, like they have skin in the game. The critical thinking, as you said, is thrown out, and its for this parasocial entitlement. The wider perspective should be focused on how revealing this mess has been for people, and how its gotten to the point where the ripple effect will be felt by far too many. I'm pretty disconnected with celebrities as a whole so stan behavior is so damn wild to me. My brain is moreso looking towards the aftermath and how victims are being impacted by this. Princess, please take time to care for yourself, and thank you for the video.
Thank you so much for being the only kind voice I've heard on this issue so far. Just today, I was kicked out of a wholesome crafting group full of wine moms for calling out a meme that bullied Amber Heard (the group had a "no bullying" rule, but I guess that courtesy just doesn't extend to Amber Heard). It all makes me feel so unsafe and alone. It's so understandable why it was so hard making this video, but for what it's worth, I'm really grateful that you did.
I went and read through the UK court files and the court found that Johnny had beat Amber on at least 12 separate occasions. Her slapping him once or twice and making fun of his tattoos is nothing compared to the punching, kicking, choking and slamming and death threats that Johnny has done to her. God, I'm so glad that you and a bunch of other content creators I like are supporting her
@@willowfaye670here’s a pdf of it- www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Judgment-FINAL.pdf Here’s a link to his appeal as well. www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Depp-approved-for-hand-down.pdf
@@willowfaye670 www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Judgment-FINAL.pdf here is the court's decision regarding that case. I also want to point out that the judge took Amber's word for many of the claims she made bc the judge reasoned that she was credible and that was that. SO to view this case as being as damning as some are claiming without reading the lacking legal reasoning the judge had for making the decision he did is ... interesting to say the least. And I also want to point out that so far with the US defmation trial that eye-witness testimony and medical records doesn't align with Amber's claims, and she even contradicts herself on the stand when you compare to her previous deposition or written statement for the UK trial.
FINALLY! Someone makes some sense. I thought I was going insane watching that trial and then seeing all this support for him from people online. I was so disappointed with that verdict and what it really means. It was Howard Stern who made a comment about Johnny Depp being a narcissist and doing this big public trial because he thinks he is smarter than everyone and can manipulate people to believe his lies - I thought thank goodness one person sees what I see. It was all such a disgusting act and the trial became about something completely different than what it should have been. His witnesses were not credible at all and his rambling monologue on the stand for three days was crazy to me. And then people had the nerve to demonize Amber's Lawyer for cutting him off when he was literally wasting hours of peoples time with his fantasies - what a joke. Even how Johnny spoke to him and using his last name Rottenborn to be belligerent and condescending. I saw a truly horrible, abusive person and I don't know how people can be so stupid and blind to the act and this fake narrative of being some poor little boy who was abused by his mother. He made such a point of fabricating the narrative that he was like his abused father sayinghow his father was never once aggressive, only to have proof come out that his father had hit him as a boy, like how far do you go to paint the lies!? When that "psychologist" said that Amber had histrionic personality disorder I could not scoff hard enough. The description she gave about having to be the centre of attention and talking in very elaborate phrases whilst saying nothing - that is exactly who Johnny Depp is! The fact this an "addiction nurse" suddenly became unaware of what "using" could POSSIBLY mean when on the stand - laughable! I'm so disappointed in the general public for being so gullible and ignorantly loud about that gullibleness. When everyone else believes the lies it makes it hard to respect them anymore. I thought back to Ted Bundy and how all these women were attracted to him. On a final note, there is an episode of American Dad called "The People Vs Martin Sugar" where Roger is in court showboating and manipulating everyone and Stan is the only person who can see the truth. Watching this trial was literally that episode.
I commented before watching to the end and you have literally got the Ted Bundy clip there - this is totally what I was getting at. Great video, very good points made. Thank you.
my mom escaped my father over 26 years ago, and she still will bring up her fear back then (and my early childhood during court stuff) that she was also bad to him. and it's taken her this long to accept that she was fighting back even though she heard from so many people that it made her a "bad victim" by being manipulative and bitchy sometimes. i'm grateful to you and everyone else that keeps speaking truth because watching this whole thing has been so disgusting and heartbreaking...
Thank you so much for talking about this. I have been scared to post about the case because JD stans namesearch and attack people who support Amber constantly. But of course it’s fine, in their opinion, to mock Amber’s trauma and post offensive TikToks for clout. So gross.
Honestly I don't know if the case is that clear cut, but I have been really disturbed by the way a domestic violence trial has become this source of fun and entertainment. I've seen way too many people making "analysis" videos with themselves laughing in the thumbnails and that's really the least of it.
THANK YOU! as someone who was in two abusive relationships and also abused by her mother, this whole thing has been horrifying for me to witness. Even in self-described feminist-anarchist-intersectional communities (like a twitch stream that I used to really love), this bullshit has just been going on and I have been 'corrected'. And what's worse is seeing women who have been in abusive relationships as well take the side of Depp. It is just too much and triggering for me, because of my past experiences. And it is anger-inducing but what is also worse is that, having worked hard for the past 4 years to regain my sense of self and agency after my ex boyfriend did DARVO to me continuously and painted me as the abuser, this whole trial bullshit is retraumatizing and making me question again the role I played in that relationship. To make matters worse, my cute non-binary bisexual crush is a big fan of tiktok and for fuck's sake, they were just telling me about body language specialists and shit. I am also a bisexual woman and I am TIRED. Thank you for doing this work even though it is costly for you. This whole spectacle is amazingly dehumanizing, I tried not to follow it, but still had news and commentary come at me. Seeing people who believe Amber and who are doing actual nuanced commentary on the case has been a breath of fresh air. It's amazing how people can actually believe that the power dynamic is reversed in this case, and the collateral damage from that is going to be big (Marilyn Manson's already trying to use the same strategy). I remember watching Allen v Farrow and in one of the episodes they talked about an expert witness who wasn't even a psychologist who invented some sort of syndrome that Farrow had and then many men who wanted to take children away from their wives in divorce trials used that guy's 'expertise', but they didn't even want the kids, they just wanted to punish their wives for leaving them.
I stumbled upon this video and I am so glad I did! I have been saying all this for years. The court system is the biggest theatre we have. It is all the society of the spectacle. I appreciate you touching on it. I used to love true crime, but I was wearing rose colored glasses. As a feminist, trauma survivor, and advocate for men and their needs, this was very eye opening.
Thank you!!! As I got older I started to shy away from true crime as it became more and more… tasteless. but I didn’t truly understand how horrific it was until there was a shooting near my hometown. I couldn’t even stand to be online because of all of the horrible conspiracies, outright lies, “amateur detective” work, fucking memes for some reason, and blatant political manipulation of the situation (from ppl in both parties). I saw them come out in droves while it was still a developing story, before peoples bodies were even fucking cold. It was truly sick, I don’t think I’ve ever been so angry. The absolute dehumanization that true crime causes is so so terrible. I cant understand how people well and truly interact with Amber’s story like this. I’m not a survivor but unfortunately I have friends who are.. friends who knew they wouldnt be believed, who were lied to by the people handling their case, by the cops, who were dropped by lawyers and couldnt have a witness come forward or tell truths about their pain because it would make them less credible and sympathetic. The court is absolute theatre there is hardly ever justice there. If their cases were televised i cannot begin to imagine the suffering it would have caused them.
i don't know that i can say i fully believe heard, but you're absolutely right about the sheer ridiculousness of this trial. psuedoscience, memeification, capitalization, all of it is out of control. even if (and i don't believe this whatsoever, just for arguments' sake) heard was the devil incarnate and depp was entirely innocent, none of the behavior responding to this would be ok. i dont engage in celebrity culture/content/whatever its called as i grew up pretty sheltered and still have no interest in any of it, so i really don't know anything personally about past public responses, but i think tiktok's addictive nature and capitalistic algorithm promoting this content ended up desensitizing and normalizing this kind of behavior. i don't think there's been any trial with notoriety like this during tiktok's life cycle (and i could be wrong, i don't use tiktok) which is why something like this has never happened on such a scale before. its a really strange viewpoint, to treat this as if it isnt just one particular case between two particular people that happen to be famous. it just happened when people needed a circus and society chose their clowns.
glad there's a rational person in the comments. My issue with the trial wasn't the outcome, it's how much of a spectacle it was turned in to. In the end, Depp came out looking perfect (which come on, we all know he fucking isn't) whereas Heard, despite the fact that she was clearly guilty, is now going to be referenced any time a woman says she's a victim of SA. Personally I think this video is shit, it feels more like sensationalism than an unbiased reporting.
@@KingSlimeProductions Amber heard isn’t guilty of shit because that’s not how a defamation trial works, for one, and two, it wasn’t a criminal trial. Depp has already been found to be an abusive wifebeater in court. Amber has never been found to be an abuser in a court of law.
This seems like it was hard for you to record. You're honestly really brave for speaking so openly and honestly on this matter. The internet has been such a weird place in the"discourse" (if you can call it that) following the trial. I genuinely thought I was just missing something because I wasn't on the Johnny bandwagon.
My newest ick is people mocking/imitating Ambers mannerisms towards the jury (turning to them, how she drinks water, how she holds herself)... They mock her as though she hasn't been coached to perform these very actions to try in vain amd have her beleived, as a woman, over the man in court. These are things countless witnesses will be told to do on the stand to humanize them and increase empathy from the jury. She is doing everything she can to have people listen to her and take her seriously - and the things she is coached to do are bejng weaponized online to point out... what exactly? Her incompetence at being a victim? Her inability to respond to aggressive questioning in an "acceptable: mannor? Or are we just enjoying a woman looking silly on the stand as she is accused of lying about years of domestic abuse? Sure, they are not natural actions. But court isn't a casual situation.
Thank you for this video. I have been irked by the monetization of the trial and pretty much gagged when i saw "I watched the trial of the century so you don't have to" as an actual youtube title, but I can't say I wasn't swayed by the misinformation spread around. This video, especially the first and last points of debunking, really helped me understand things I had as you said made up my mind about from the start. Thanks again, and even though I saw you hated making this video and your further comment I still really appreciate it and I'm sure other people like me do. xo
As an autistic woman I've been super troubled by this trend of amateur (and professional) body language analysis demanding everyone exhibit the "correct reaction," and picking apart every tick and expression, which has really come to a head during this case. And it's not just a neurodivergent issue, there is no 'right' reaction, especially in situations of high emotion.
Exactly. Due growing up with an abusive family member, my response when someone gets confrontational with me is to smile and say something appeasing like "Yes" or " of course". Which has led to people accusing me of smirking and making fun of the other person when in reality I was terrified ...
“we doin trial by vibes?” is soooo succinct and accurate at describing what happens to these subjects when they’re given the “easy online content” treatment
For real. So many clips of the defense trying to justify the defamation charges by saying Depp did drugs and obtained them at heards request. Heard did drugs too. Situation is more then that. Drugs does not equal bad.
Reactionary abuse is real. I’ve been there. I dated a cop and he would abuse me until I reacted and then “I” was the crazy one. The gaslighting got so bad I had a mental breakdown that he planned thoroughly for me to have in order to amplify the abuse. Because who would believe the “crazy woman?” Finally escaped the relationship and years later I called the authorities because he wouldn’t stop harassing me, they refused to help me once they learned he’s a cop. A lawyer even told me to get over it after I tried to get a restraining order. That bitch said I just wanted to get “revenge” on him. He finally stopped emailing me almost FIVE years after I went no contact… Once you see red flags or potential signs of abuse, RUN!!!! Don’t be with these folks because they will ruin you! That’s their goal because they feel nothing. In order to fill those empty feelings, they cause others harm. They get off on it.
I wish I could hug you. As the daughter of a cop I experienced the EXACT same thing. It never matters how many awful things they did to you, all that matters is the ONE time you react. And bystanders buy it, especially when the abuser is in a position of authority.
@@chloekravatz84 Awww let’s hug 🤗 each other! I’m sorry you had to grow up with that. Yes, enablers help them remain abusive. Even when they’re doing wrong, somehow they still can do no wrong. Probably because they fear them too. So in order to stay on their good side, they will look the other way or even help with criminal acts. It’s f*cked up, but I hope you’ve been going to therapy or something in order to heal well.😘💋♥️✨
@@mewmew6158 Thank you!!! I’m glad too. I couldn’t of escaped without my therapist and trusted few people who showed me the light. They constantly reminded me I didn’t deserve such awful treatment. Nobody does.😁✨
One example of weird bias I saw was on a video of her slightly smiling it was "duper's delight, you can tell she's lying! She's so smug!" but on a similar video of him it was "oh bless, he's smiling to try and cope, he's trying to be brave." Super bizarre how differently the same behaviour is interpreted.
I watched another person insist that her touching her hair shows that she is manipulative because she is focusing on how she looks. As if being stressed and trying to control something about your appearance is somehow weird or not normal.
As a neurodivergent person, who was in an abusive relationship for a decade, the number of people who've become 'experts' at analyzing body language terrifies me.
My favourite twist on that is people diagnosing survivors of abusive relationships with personality disorders in order to discredit everything they've been through. It happens a lot with neurodivergent people, cause we're weird I guess
body language analysis "experts" scare me so much. beyond the heard/depp situation, there are so many videos condemning people who didn't react "normally" or "properly" to the deaths of family members, even though they were probably just dissociating from trauma and grief. it's just so sick to see these charlatans judge the minute facial expressions of grieving parents and abuse survivors.
Regarding the reaction thing, there was a really good article a few years ago about parents who’d accidentally left their children in hot cars. There was a woman who they were afraid of having testify because she was so calm and methodical in talking about what happened, and they were afraid the jury would think she was cold and uncaring. So instead they played the 911 call from the scene, where she could be heard screaming and crying and expressing regret and horror. She cared, she just compartmentalized after the event because she had other things to take care of. So yeah I’m rambling but the idea that If someone is composed when talking about a traumatic event it means they’re lying is so dangerous.
I wish more people understood this. Life is not a movie, real people don't act like actors in a movie. We have very different and often weird reactions to intense emotion and reliving trauma.
Exactly. I'm autistic, I have extremely flat affect. I have been called a liar so many times in my life because I don't respond in ways that people see as authentic. I would stand absolutely NO chance in a trial judged on how I come across, instead of based on facts. I have been in one civil case where I did my own defence instead of having a lawyer, and it stood me in good stead because I was seen as presenting the facts in a dispassionate manner, but only because there was no jury, and I was regarded by the judge as a legal representative instead of the actual defendant.
@@carlovitulo the problem is people take that and run with it, assuming they know the "baseline" based on only seeing the person on tv or seeing small clips of them in their regular life. UA-cam channels pushing the "look at the side he tilts his head towards, that implies dishonesty" stuff is spreading and normalizing this stuff. Not saying the channel you mentioned was like that, but pretty much every one I have seen is just that.
My sister's friend lost her two children in a house fire recently. She was at work but her husband was home with the kids. They had just bought this house and some of the wiring was found to be faulty and badly placed. This tragedy made big news because her husband had been a volunteer fire fighter. We got the 'pleasure' of watching the True Crime Crowd turn their fucking nightmare of a freak accident into a conspiracy theory. They claimed that Dustin started the fire, that he 'forgot the kids' inside, that he left them to burn, that he was having an affair and wanted them dead, that Nikki left her kids with an abuser etc. All kinds of completely unsubstantiated sick shit that they pulled out of their ass because "I heard a story like that on a podcast." I have never in my life felt so much boiling anger at random strangers on Facebook.
I'm so sorry for you and your sister, that's heartbreaking 💔💔I wish people could understand making up conspiracy theories isn't just "all fun in games" and "harmless" when it can affect people.
Omg that’s such a sad story. The public nonsense reminded me of a case that happened in my city. A woman died in a car accident with a guy she had just met (it was their first date), the press took photos of some white powder on the scene and then all became a circus, people saying she was a prostitute, the powder was cocaine… but it was actually plaster that the guy used in his work and the woman worked on a school. My husband knew the woman.
"the theatre of true crime is to tell the stories of good, clean, dead women. Not messy living women" This really hits me. Apologies if the quote is slightly off. Thanks for the video.
And "if they can breathe, they can lie." I was very much wrapped up in the coverage of this at the start but it did start to feel.. odd. I'm glad I didn't click out at the start when they said "I believe Amber Heard." It made me uncomfortable to hear, so I stayed.
because it's easy to get it wrong, to mess it up. then people will be endlessly upset if they kill a bad, off kilter messy woman is in a show dies. if it looks like the character was written as "asking for it" (like sells lolicon because drawings are not victims and she needs to make money somehow)
Reminds me of the story of Matthew Shepard, one of the first murders of a gay man to be labeled as a hate crime. He was depicted as the kindhearted kid next door, a trustworthy babysitter and brother figure. People love a perfect victim.
We love to look back at figures like Monica Lewinsky and Britney Spears and say, "Wow, the 90s and early 2000s were rough on women! Thank goodness we've moved past that and we can see so easily why this was wrong!" Enter Amber Heard.
I never thought about how one extra factor of this is as a natural progression of the true crime fandom, where a court case is just, figuratively, another series of the show. That was a really interesting point. I definitely think this is a perfect storm of stan culture, Me Too backlash and terminally online influencers whose need for clout is starting to outpace their empathy. It would be interesting if it wasn't so depressing and horrifying. Thank you for this video as well - I try to talk to people in the very few spaces online without misinformation, but like other people have said it's so prevalent I honestly sometimes have been wondering if I'm not just deeply wrong and losing my mind? It's been an awful feeling and I can't imagine the degree Amber Heard is feeling it now.
This is a major consequence of the “panopticon” of the internet. We’ve commercialized reacting and being on “the right side” to the point where people view this as a team sport. Everyone wants to feel like they are uniquely prepared to figure out the truth because our landscape pressures us to have an opinion. But in the end, we don’t know anything. We aren’t trained for this and there are just some things we’ll never fully know. But at this point, people don’t care. They just want to “win.” This is the endgame of the panopticon: fan cams of a domestic violence case.
I hadn't really thought about the panopticon as a commercial engine before, but it is so accurate. Turning the observation of others into profit has always been the goal of the social internet, i guess
I love hearing people think that they're experts, more so than a renowned expert on libel who wrote the books on it. They say that judge was corrupted even when there's no fucking evidence for that.
I used to really want to have an internet presence. But the thought of it now fucking kills me to think about. I hope I don’t end up memed or something and go viral. I couldn’t stand being amber and have every move I make scrutinized like that.
I normally don’t comment on videos but I felt the need to because you have helped me snap out of all the bullshit I’ve been accepting about this trial. I was already disgusted about the memefication of it all but I did consider myself to be on I guess “Depps side”. As uncomfortable/disappointed with myself this video made me I’m glad I watched the whole way through. As frustrating this must have been to make I’d just like to say thank you. This entire thing is so messed up and saddening. Speaking up on the internet can feel like shouting into the void but I just wanted to let you know some people are actually listening.
Also the Ted Bundy clips at the end really hammered home how disturbingly easy it is for people to buy into these narratives and characters. It’s eerie.
Yah this was me as well. Avoiding the whole thing like the plague, but somehow subtly won over by Depp’s side anyway. Didn’t even notice till I started watching this video. Needed the wake up call big time 🤦🏼♀️
I'm a man who's previously been a victim of domestic abuse & it's super disappointing that this is the case that we latched onto to do theater of supporting male victims.
Yeah, it's honestly been sickening to watch people trying to classify what is and is not real abuse, when one of the biggest factors of male DV victims not being able to get help is the weight of judgment society puts on men when they're victims of violence.
Its establishing that the only way male victims will be believed and validated is if they portray the most limiting, traditional forms of masculinity as seen by Depp both before and during the trial. It's toxic as hell. You don't need to be tough or call women c*nts to earn support, no one should.
Unfortunately a lot of people who claim to care about male abuse victims really don't care about them outside of weaponizing them against female abuse victims. I guarantee you a lot of people attacking heard to "defend male abuse victims" would be just as cruel to any actual male abuse victims they encounter. There's always a reason to defend the abuser it seems.
This video actually made me cry because when I was sexually assaulted, no one believed me because of my sexual history and mental illness history. "If she can breathe, she can lie" hit me like a ton of bricks.
"If she can breathe, she can lie." I couldn't help but cry watching this. It's been unbelievable seeing how much society hates women. Thank you for this video.
I've seen so many men downgrade woman, it hurts. I'm pangender, but I've been affected by misogyny my whole life and sometimes when I see men who hate woman it makes me feel like IM in the wrong, no matter how mysogynistic they are. It's because I see it so much, and men expect woman to just sit down, be quite and deal with it.
For a long time, I thought that reading *Against Our Will: Men, Women, & Rape* as a 14 year-old messed me up for life, but it actually just softened many blows. We're ALL in this (shithole) together 🙏🏾
As a black feminist who has watched people not care about the high rate of DV in our community and gaslight black women with whole black incel movements (saying that we deserve partner violence), I am avoiding this Heard/Depp debacle like the plague because...if a white woman is being treated like this we have no chance to get a good day in court. No one cares about women's pain because we think women deserve it. Always. I do like some true-crime material that highlights the stories of black women / or even living black women that I find online but those people get no views anyway. I wanna push back a little bit and say that feminism has never become mainstream----because I don't see feminism out here at all.
I agree women are not believed and supported in general, and it's exponentially worse if you're not white. By default, I think the accuser should be given credibility because claiming be a victim of DV or rape isn't something that confers a bunch of benefits...usually the exact opposite. I haven't followed this case at all up until a week ago, and the more I see, my opinion is Heard is lying and that is a HUGE disservice to all real victims. She is like a 1 in a million case where claiming she's a victim of abuse during the #metoo movement (started by a Black woman then co-opted by rich, white women) actually did benefit her. Given how much she's benefited and also potentially hurt other women by lying, I'm viewing her downfall as karmic justice. It's unfortunate that a bunch of incels will be celebrating too, but they would do that at any woman's expense.
@@tdare5355 Hey I agree. Sorry if I added unnecessary divisiveness. At this point, I guess we're all just speaking opinions. IF Heard is the victim, her current teardown is tragic. IF Depp is the victim, his teardown up to now is tragic. From what the testimony that's seen so far, I believe Depp more than Heard. The evidence of her being physically abused is really weak.
@@davehan241 My comment was actually towards the OP (Crislande). It’s ok to have different opinions as long as it doesn’t turn into bullying. So I respect your opinion.
@@tdare5355 so, every five hours in America a black woman is murdered, black pregnant women have the highest rate of intimate partner violence of anyone in the country, black girls the highest seggxual violence rate ---so much do that there's a direct correlation between the seggxual abuse of black girls and our incarceration called the "seggs abuse to prison pipeline." I'm sorry. I think you've misunderstood my comment at a fundamental level... this is not a white vs black thing because we aren't competing. Black women in America have maternal mortality rates, so high some folks think it's better for us to have children in developed nations. Not only that, we don't talk about the forced sterilizations that we get in the prison end of the seggxual abuse to prison pipeline. I don't think you understand the topic or that white and black women in America don't even live in the same realities at all. There's not enough solidarity between us for division or competition to be based on reality. Don't let me get started on fetal alcohol syndrome... Our ship is already at the bottom of the ocean. I can't imagine having the privilege to think the ship is sinking---now.
One of the absolute worst things about the Depp vs Heard case is just how much worse the stigmatization of Cluster B personality disorders, ESPECIALLY BPD has gotten. The fact that this case was publicized basically enabled ableism against those with more "socially unacceptable" mental disorders to get even worse than it already has been and I have encountered WAY too many JD stans generalize all Cluster B's, ESPECIALLY BPD, as inherently evil and abusive.
Yeah, after years of people declaring anyone they don't like as having NPD, I wish I could say this development surprises me but it is something I fully expected. Ableism is making a STRONG comeback...
@@chloekravatz84 It's bad enough that COVID showed just how much people truly hate disabled people and people with chronic illness, but this case shows that people also truly hate people with mental disorders (and especially Cluster B Personality Disorders which are among the most stigmatized mental disorders) and the mentally disabled as well as those who are physically disabled.
Its incredibly frustrating to see, especially considering people with mental illness are a lot more likely to be VICTIMS of abuse and BPD is one of those diagnoses that can a) be easily mixed up with PTSD and b) can be brought on by sustained abuse
The way the ICD 11 handles everything under a single diagnosis of personality disorder with a scale to rate severity makes more and more sense. Unfortunately it will be at least another 10 years before we see the DSM 6 released and can hope for a similar reorganizing of personality disorders in the US.
Thank you... I've been really disappointed in the YT reactions even from typically progressive channels to Heard's testimony. Even if you don't believe her, it's not okay to pathologize every public behavior, including the emotions she shows while recalling violent encounters. She is an actor, yes. But she is a human fucking being first.
As a bisexual woman w diagnosed mental illness, I sadly agree with you point that “no amount of money is worth trying to (publicly) fight with a man” on the topic of your feelings, your trauma, the abuse you went through. Sometimes I feel like we as marginalised sexual, gender, race minorities just can’t win. No one cares about the justice.
It gave me such an uncomfortable feeling from the beginning, as someone who knew very little about the situation, that a domestic abuse trial was SO high profile that people were viewing it as entertainment. Like, such a serious, real thing shouldn’t be treated like the new thing to joke and talk about online, you know?
At this point I’ve seen so many “JD being funny at the trial!!” video recommendations that I legit believe he treats it as a way to salvage his career, not to find any justice.
We are watching the misogynistic backlash to MeToo in real time. People are now coming after Evan Rachel Wood and Kesha saying that their allegations are false solely due to the reaction to the Depp/Heard trial and this is so worrying and disgusting.
Evan Rachel said that is what she was afraid of
it was like an eagerness for it, they yearned for a man to rally behind and Depp gave these sexist assholes a banner
Honestly. People have been holding it in and it's spewing everywhere now
Marilyn Manson and Johnny Depo are friends to this day and have always supported one another openly. It’s trash supporting trash.
They also ran Evan Rachel Wood off Twitter when she brought up Kobe Bryant's rape case
"What if your gut is racist." Great line. people have so many internalized biases, it's difficult to exclude them from your decision making in the moment.
Sounds like "unconscious bias" which is absolute pseudoscience.
Internalization is a lot. You need to untangle this shit before you understand. People who want to brush it all off don't realize how much it fucks with you throughout your life
@@meatpuppet5036 I don't believe unconscious bias is a formal psychology term but people can absolutely be primed to think in certain ways with repeating exposure to a stimulus. people build associations in their minds their whole lives. johnny depps career fell off before heard's abuse allegations, but before then, he was in a lot of popular movies. clearly the american public has build positive associations with the actor, leading them to sympathize and trust him. so many of his followers have admitted they believe him at least in part due to the fact that they like his movies, or because his movie roles are associated with positive feelings of happiness or nostalgia for them.
@@meatpuppet5036 Oh please. Unconscious bias #ImplicitBias exists. Black children receive less analgesia in hospital than white kids in the US. That's one single example from a huge range of IB problems that exist in healthcare alone. We all carry IB
...aren't Depp and Heard both white? What relevance does that quote serve here lol
*"the theater of true crime is to tell the tragic stories of good, clean, dead women. not living, flawed, messy women who still need help and grace, those women are criminalized. because if she can breathe she can lie and therefore we can doubt her and therefore we cannot really believe her"*
Goosebumps. She NAILED it.
🎯
"if she can breathe, she can lie." That felt like a grandslam.
Godddd I hate 'body language experts.' Body language was my abuser's #1 rationalization for all the times he hurt me. 'He could tell I was lying,' 'He could tell I was cheating.' Neither of those things happened, but the facts didn't matter more than his 'trial by vibes.'
But I hate people who go 'that sounds hot' about rape testimony even more. There's no fucking 'irony' there, they're just telling _countless people who've been violated,_ 'I agree with your attacker, that sounds really enjoyable.' It doesn't 'just' apply to the people they've decided are 'liars,' it's all of us. Someone says that to me, I start thinking in the direction of self-defense, because that is an absolutely _predatory_ thing to say.
Excellent video, sorry it had to be made. What a shitty situation.
I legit had someone tell me you can tell if someone is lying if they look up and left and they could use that in court. Madness, body language and stuff like that is not an actual verified field of study and the fact people think it has any weight is mind blowing.
A lot of the time they have 0 legit qualifications or experience as well. There are actual qualifications and jobs that involve body language reading, a lot of these experts usually only have a degree and thats it.
Thank you for this. I’ve been so damn uncomfortable around the way people have been discussing Amber Heard, especially on social media
Seconding this.
Another person i knew i could trust. Thank god
Whether we believe her or Depp, so much of the conversation around the case has been deeply problematic and upsetting to watch.
I'm thankful for both of you being brave enough to say the hard things. Helps me retain my sanity.
This situation reminds me of what Kanye is doing to Kim. I've been stalked before and the onslaught of jokes about Kanye's abuse made me feel like I was losing my mind.
It doesn't matter how public someone's life is, nor does their likability. No one deserves to be stalked and harassed like this, nor to have it mocked by the masses.
so good to see you here x
the public reaction to this trial has been absolutely terrifying to witness. as a mentally ill and bi woman who has experienced domestic abuse, it’s been very sobering to see peers and strangers on and offline joking about crazy b*tches who need to be institutionalized, gross bi women who have threesomes and cheat on their male partners with the first woman they see-but are also faking being gay for clout, and judging emotional reactions to decide whether or not someone is a “real” victim… and then saying “oh but i don't mean *you,* i mean amber heard!”
NONE of this is being done in the name of abuse survivors. i’m SO sick of people using survivors as a shield from criticism when i’ve been having recurring nightmares about my abuser for the first time in years because of how utterly inescapable and triggering this trial is. i don't see ANY way i could possibly feel safe and validated as a survivor right now when it’s so obvious this reaction is only happening out of bigotry and celebrity worship.
I'm so sorry you went through that. ♥️
Same and I’m sorry
I'm so sorry you have to go through this rn 😐 just know that there are other people that are sick of the misogyny
If it's any consolation the fact this comment section let alone this video is a thing is a blessing, it means that there are folks who care. Not all of us have a mob mentality, we think rationally and can tell the difference between a man wronged and entitled celebrity who's clearly sexist and a gloating misogynist. Amber isn't completely innocent but I can't imagine what their home life was like. Amber deserves better, bi women deserve better, humans deserve better. Sorry I'm still mad. I'm sorry you suffered that & I'm glad you survived it❤
We as a people need to do better but us as individuals I wish you guys the best. Do whatever helps your mentality stay healthy❤✨
Sending you hugs. We’re in the same boat
So much here that is important and necessary that most people are justifiably too scared to say, but with regard to never coming forward about your own trauma and the people who’ve hurt you? Truer words never spoken. It’s never worth it. Even if you have support at the outset, regardless of the truthfulness of your story, it will always be weaponized against you eventually.
Lindsay it’s so nice to see you here 💖
It's almost*** never worth it 🤕
Lindsay I miss you!!!!
Miss your insightful words, Lindsay! And looking forward to your next book!
What worries me as an attorney is that any jury/ judge in this case is as terrified to rule against him as most influencers are to speak out against him. That isn't how our justice system should work.
Depp's case is quite poor, from a legal standpoint, as any objective attorney will agree. The case shouldn't have been brought, at least not against Heard. And then, it should've been dismissed. He's not even suing the PUBLISHER that profited from the article. Furthermore, this is a civil case for money, so even if you believe Depp that Heard knowingly lied with malicious intent, he still has to prove actual damages caused by her statements, and he hasn't done that. His reputation had been negative for the past decade, not because of Heard, but because he was habitually late and intoxicated at public events and every movie he was hired for. Nevertheless, in such a public, highly-charged case, you can't blame jurors for being afraid to rule against him
As a man who experienced IPV at the hands of a woman, thanks for making this video. Generally when I share my abuse, people respond with either indifference or misogyny (sometimes both). This is normal in our culture. When clips of the trial started appearing in my feed, I felt excited, hopeful- maybe now that male abuse is in the conversation, people will be more willing to have empathy for us.
When I actually watched the clips though, something felt off. Depp's charm, the odd collection of dudes in his corner, Reddit eating shit up, his therapist's popularity. And yeah, as you mentioned, the misogyny. I said to myself 'ok, male domestic abuse is being discussed, that's good. I only feel off because trauma and misogyny'. Then I stopped engaging with that content because I can't function if I'm dealing with insomnia and flashbacks.
Given that you've experienced IPV as well, I'm blown away that you made this. I know it was hell to do all the research and writing on this. And in spite of that you brought a clear, contextualized, and informed perspective. You changed the way I look at this situation. Absolute queen. Thank you, again.
Hi, I am so so sorry for what you have been through. I find Alex Skeel to be a good example of empathetic public engagement of a dv survivor. He has thankfully escaped the bad relationship he was in, his story is very moving and I wish him the best
You sound like a juicy gash
The girl LITERALLY shat on the bed... But you still want to believe she was the victim... This only proves that whatever the hell bad thing happens or happened to you in life, YOU DESERVE IT, because you're one hell of a stupid person.
“If she can breathe, she can lie” - I’ve been shocked by the tidal wave of people online I’ve seen the past few weeks saying exactly this with zero self awareness. Thank you for making this- I really hope people aren’t shitty to you.
I hate HATE public trials. Whether or not Heard is guilty is wayyyy past us at this point. This entire trial is a sham that has dragged her to the point that no matter is she is found guilty or not, her life is ruined and its so deeply frustrating. Its not a matter of legal repercussions anymore. She’ll been punished no matter the outcome.
All the evidence points to her being a pathological liar and a abuser though.
@@unknownwatcher1123 okay. That’s the point of the trial. The point of our justice system is to determine who has broken the law, not try them in the court of public opinion. There is a reason for a long time cameras were even allowed in court rooms. Criminals, defendants, and anyone in court should be on trial against the court, not the public. It should not the point of the court system to humiliate people, even if they are guilty.
Chile... It's the way that it ain't even about guilty or not guilty. He didn't press charges against her. This is a civil case. He is suing for defamation and he will lose. Hell he would lose even if he never touched her and had overwhelming evidence that proves it. Like it is hard for celebs to win libel cases. You have to prove malice. I mean Cardi B won her case because the defendant literally said she would lie about Carbi B for money which is textbook malice. The whole thing is a sham.
@@doughbaby1369 But What about when Johnny Depp was considered guilty before being able to prove some form of innocence in the court of law? When he lost his roles and his life was put to a halt? Was that okay? That is also an action caused by public opinion. The Majority of US court cases (outside of federal courts) are and should be accessible to the public to be viewed. You can go back to the early eras of courts throughout world history tis is not some new evil crazy thing. But because cameras are now allowed that changes things? that's simply limiting accessibility. Because previously people relied solely on court drawings for famous cases and made judgements off of those as well.
@@RazzyXM22 just because something unfair happens does not mean its okay to inflict on another person. And the reason cameras in court rooms suck is on plain display with this trial. We have people picking apart every action Heard does, analyzing her body language and insisting she isn’t really crying. Courtroom sketches tend to be far more forgiving than the public. You seem to be basing a lot of your argument on something bad happened before so its okay if bad things keep happening. Just because bad things or unfair things are inflicted on someone doesn’t mean we should be content to watch those happen to another.
Something that really bugged me was when Amber Heard's lawyer was trying to bring up the fact that women have been historically over diognised with Borderline Personality Disorder as a way to discredit them, and were often put in mental institutions where they were mistreated and abused, and his phycologist just said "no, that's just a fact that women are statistically more likely to have BPD"... Like that's just another tactic that's been used against women for DECADES, but we're just going to take that as fact, I guess, without any context or understanding. Only shows what an uncritical meaningless circus this whole thing is.
i thought it was borderline personlaity disorder. being bipolar is not the same. although some get mis diagnosesed with one or the other
Depp bringing so much more stigma to BPD than there already is is enough for me to never forgive him tbh. I have two family members diagnosed with BPD and they are not abusive or terrible people.
@@suzythecreator they can pass for being "normal"?
@@suzythecreator thank you ! his tactics have been awful and he keeps smirking. I wish I could unsubscribe from all pro-depp posts
@@kaiyodei yes, that’s what I meant, thank you. English isn’t my first language, so the terminology is different, and I get confused sometimes.
Thank you so much for this video. I feel like part of the reason why people feel so emboldened to take JD's side publicly is due to a lack of visibility of people standing up for Heard. People are playing this massive game of telephone where they heard someone say they read something somewhere and they aren't seeing any big voices correcting these claims or fact checking them, and they aren't willing to do that research themselves, so it becomes their presumed reality.
I have noticed that most people who take JD's side are either reacting to little 2 minute clips or watching the trial through someone else's commentary, instead of the live feed without commentary.
You nailed it, this is exactly right. It’s the natural progression of the spread of misinformation that is driven by social media. Despite the fact that ALL of this is publicly available to be fact-checked, people listen to other people’s interpretations of an already misrepresented fact. And then they add their two cents and spread it further.
This is just such a perfectly worded take on exactly what is happening here I’ve not seen a single ‘pro Johnny’ ppl reference a single piece of evidence that isn’t heavily edited with the source being just I saw it on Twitter or tik tok etc. Its like no one wants to actually do the work themselves and are just all saying the same thing to avoid social crucifixion.
Been kind of sleeping on the 'how much of this is biphobia, mental illness stigma and good ol' American misogyny clouding our judgment' thing, despite that lingering concern, in no small part because people I trust who have been in bad situations seemed convinced. Mob mentality is a hell of a thing.
Are we going to have to wait another 10 years for Amber Heard to get her abuse critically re-examined in the public eye? She’ll be yet another in the line of the Britney’s and Pamela’s, why can’t we ever be for these women right her right now instead of a decade too late?
Why are you comparing Them to these women when there IS évidence that she lied
At the beginning everyone was on her side, now it's a witch hunt people are just waiting for her to lose the trial
Exactly my thoughts. Society fails women time after time.
@@sarrabettayeb7009 where is the evidence Sara that you’ve been spamming about? I have yet to see you link a source for these claims.
@@vickyg51 she admitted to hitting him, no?
People like this can say the wildest shit against women in general with no repercussions, but the moment a woman says "my ex boyfriend was abusive" they all attack you with "NOT ALL MEN!!1!"
it's exhausting, and then they complain how as a cis het man you can't say anything without being "cancelled"... Come on...
I try saying this and men bombard me with "IT HAPPENS TO MEN TOO!!" "PEOPLE ALWAYS HAVE TO BE CAUTIOUS NOT JUST WOMAN!!" " IF YOUR SCARED OF MEN YOUR SEXIST!!" And like you said, they act like the second they say these things their "cancelled". I always tell people I'm nervous of grown men because of being harassed and affected by misogyny my entire life and men have too much of a victim complex to listen.
THIS.
@ellie8784 Yeah, I agreed even if women did something dumb people will say "well hit her back even if she is pregnant because she hits him back 😂" like gross!. 🤮
Okay, this was all about skai since she is pregnant, right now and the way she treating her boyfriend is not okay and not the doxxing but dear lord the way people not okay hit back if you pregnant liked what will happened to the pregnant woman if the women where in dangerous or the hormones was out of control or something sorry am just mad about the youtuber Mori and people in the comment section the way tbe act lol!. 😡
As an autistic man, I appreciate that you brought up the bullshit science that is "body language analysis." I've straight-up had people assume what I was thinking or what I believed based on body language, eye contact, etc. my entire life, and it's led to so much anxiety about how I'm "supposed" to act in front of neurotypicals. Look you in the eye? It's creepy. Don't look you in the eye? It's weird/I'm being deceptive. I can't win either way. And I'm not even in court. I would absolutely fail ANY analysis of how my body responds to questions.
"You want things to change so badly, that you are willing to tap into the worst parts of yourself" This hit home so hard. It's so true, that feeling of, if one keeps showing up or gets the right outcome that the relationship will finally get better and course correct, despite all evidence showing to the contrary.
There was even a s3x toy company that made an alcohol bottle shaped toy and labeled it with Amber's name. The absolute DEPRAVITY of that is mind blowing.
I remember my first experience of this “true crime security theater” being a tumblr post of ways to protect yourself from serial k!!!!ers. The advice was things like “don’t have long hair. Ted bundy used to grab women by ponytails as easy victimization.” And I was like…wait what?? It sounds pretty extreme, but a lot of true crime blogs and tips do this same thing; as though your shoe choice or your hairstyle or the way you climb into your car will be so meaningful as to save your life
I remember that post being shared several years ago and it was so baffling. Like, so many of the discussions of safety felt like it was being distorted through the lens of tabloid media and crime shows.
its a lot of larping as “potential dead girl” partly i think, esp given tumblrs demographic - why this happens is a whole other conversation but lets just say its likely not good to tell young white women that “tormented” men are hot and being “prey” is a romantic metaphor. its a whole psychosexual mess and eventually you end up at “the victims were all pretty and looked like this” being a standard part of the conversation
What gets me is that everyone jokes about how terrible her attorneys are, but they don’t stop to wonder if having a mediocre attorney might be impacting how she comes off during the trail.
her attorneys seem to hate her or something because I've seen people on Twitter defend her way better than they have, something is extremely off about this whole thing
@@glitteryfaery Unfortunately, I think the thing that is "off" is Amber. And I (as someone who didn't believe JD and wanted to see him justly punished) watched six weeks of trial and was surprised to hear her speak about what she claims happened, and her ever-shifting narrative. Her own witnesses conflicted her testimony, and when called out on it, she threw her whole team--lawyers and witnesses--under the bus. As horrible and shitty as we are collectively towards women, we would benefit to at least recognize that some people--women included--suffer from a pathological need for attention at all costs. I have no doubt Amber believes she was abused; she could have very easily made a case for abuse by just describing what actually happened to her, but she exaggerated every claim beyond credibility, twisting language around and making accusations that can't be corroborated. I listened to tapes of JD calmly explaining that he needed to leave, and her pleading, begging, threatening, mocking incessantly to prevent it. I'm sorry...she is not credible.
@@paganpines you did not watch the video lol, doing trial by vibes, truly
@@theliberation9061 you just said there were contradictions, you didn't say where nor showed any proof of it. Until I see it my opinion about this trial won't really change, it's hard to convince me (as someone who has been through abuse and whose abuser has tried to claim he was the real victim when I merely mentioned things he'd done without naming him) that JD is the victim, especially with the clear power dynamic involved, the graphic details of sexual abuse and the horrific messages he sent about her and others
@@paganpines I've also asked my abuser to stay, begged him, cried and yelled, he was calm then as well, that honestly proves nothing, there are no perfect victims, if you see that as proof that she was in fact the abuser in this case it just shows how little you know about the abuse cycle and abuse in general.
This case really is the perfect example of white male (celebrity) privilege to me because it seems like Johnny’s fans could look at the exact same behavior or piece of evidence and form the polar opposite opinion depending on whether it was presented by Johnny or Amber’s team. (For example, eating/smiling on the stand, drawing pictures, violent texts about the other, violence against inanimate objects, etc)
The bias seems almost purposefully obtuse.
Almost? Some people have legit said he's too funny to have done anything bad.. at this point, the ignorance isn't just bliss, it's willful addiction. Imagine how uncomfy it would be to admit crazy pirate bad for someone like that..
And yet, only one beat the other. Strange how its not the man, its almost like women are just as capable as men, even able to abuse people.
@@ghosty918 the cringe o meter is off the charts with this one
i dont understand this. she is writing articles about how abusive he is, when the trial has made it clear that they are both abusing eachother. doesnt he have a right to defend himself?
Yeah, also whenever someone testifies in ambers favour they’re treated as my sh hungry liars whereas when someone testifies in his favour they’re treated as inherently good people for their testimonies. Both are just retelling the events they witnessed
ALSO THANK YOU ON THE GUT REACTIONS THING!! Context: I'm mixed white-black and whenever I go to the airport, I'm usually with my (white) mom and (mixed) sister, while my (black) dad goes the long way because he doesn't have Clear. The amount of times we've been pulled over, accosted, or reported by "well-meaning" white (and sometimes nonwhite!!) people for traf**cking is a number I cannot count on both of my hands. And it's not because we travel a lot.
As I got older, the incidents started turning from the racist "hey that's a white woman with two nonwhite kids, are they actually hers??" to the possibly even more racist "hey are those two kids of ambiguous gender accosting a white woman??"
And it's NOT because of protocol (I've seen all-one-race families get through without being pulled over) or because it's only the authorities -- I've been questioned by a random middle-aged white woman as to what I was doing around my own mother.
Gut feelings are not a reason to not trust someone, you need proof!!
My foster sister had several similar experiences with her sons. People don't believe the white kids have a black mom
Aren't there documents you could show them to shut them up?
@@AntediluvianRomance You shouldn‘t have to show random strangers your ID though.
@@anska7475 These are government officials, aren't they? Officials aren't random strangers. Random strangers have no deal bothering people with questions.
@@AntediluvianRomance It read to me as if some of the people were really just random strangers.
As someone with anxiety/depression and other weird tics and social awkwardness, if I ever got in trouble in that way, I’m 100% screwed.
Damn! "The theatre of true crime is to tell the stories of good, clean dead women, not living, flawed messy women who still need help and grace. Those women are criminalized. Because if she can breathe, she can lie." 🤯😳🔥🔥 that's such facts! Put it precisely! 😱🙌🙌🙌
still can't thank you enough, my love 💗💚
Your passion permeates through the screen and I'm literally in awe at how amazing this video is
I'm literally 10 minutes in and already amazed. Making tea rn cause ****sips loudly****
I’m so curious about something tho - myth 4 about depps finger being chopped off doesn’t make sense to me? She says he admits to it on the stand but if you click the link in the description he doesn’t. He listens to a damning clip but seems to be still arguing that she did it.
**I do get the vibe that he’s lying about it, but isn’t the whole point not to go off vibes and to stick closely to the evidence? I’m not seeing evidence where she says it is.
@@madeleineee6 there’s so many audio clips I don’t even know which one she said it in but she says “you cut your own finger” and he doesn’t counter it with anything. And he texted about how he cut his own finger too. Honestly all this trial is, is a bunch of circumstantial evidence. So all we can do is look at the whole picture and draw our own conclusions 🥵
@@littleNica98 So she says you cut your own finger and so we just believe that happened?
@@imanigordon6803 oh what makes you believe Johnny over amber jw?
Here's the one thing i keep coming back to in this civil suit (NOT a criminal trial, though I understand most people don't know the difference): Johnny Depp is the claimant. He started it. He is the initiator, and, if you like, the aggressor
Amber Heard has no choice in the matter. She must either appear and defend herself, or accept default judgment (that she defamed JD). Appearing means getting publicly dragged thru the mud. He has been leading the dance the whole way -- what arguments his legal team advances, which items they submit into evidence, which mental health experts and witnesses they bring to the stand. I give her full credit for standing up for herself against a public figure with more money, clout, and fame than herself
From the very beginning this suit has been about Johnny Depp protecting his public image. That says a LOT, imo
Loved this. Love you ❤️
another one, oh well.
follow the trial folks
cancelling my curiositystream/nebula
Love to see my favorite youtubers supporting my favorite youtubers
the west elm caleb video is more relevant than ever lmao
so happy you're here. hoping more commentary channels will come out with videos like this, because the conversation is so extremely biased and marred with memes and misinformation
the tweet in 2:58 about the memes foreshadowing an "oncoming cultural reversal of Me Too" hit it right on the nose. look at the current attitude towards marilyn manson. it had been pretty much common sense that manson was an abuser and now with depp having won the defamation trial, people are starting to rally around manson
Poor Evan :(
What they're saying about Evan Rachel Wood is so scary. Everyone hates women so much in this world it's insane.
@@mariedit9935 Why do men hate women SO much? I teach criminology and sociology at uni and I'm still so unsatisfied with all the sociological answers.
@@michellestelle They get brainwashed at uni.
@@michellestelle
I grew up with an abusive step father and every time I fought back he would hold it over me. He also would call me crazy. My mom would even give me shit for defending myself and fighting back. A lot of the conversation around this trial has just driven me up the wall. Like I saw this tweet that literally said ‘being abused and sexually assaulted does not excuse domestic violence’ and it’s like that’s fighting against your abuser it’s not the same thing!
Thank you for this. As a male victim of domestic abuse, I find the public mocking of Amber in almost lockstep fashion disturbing and insulting. First of all, Johnny Depp is not the martyr for male abuse victim. He is not the one. Second of all this whole situation is seeping with overt misogyny
The way so many people FOLDED on their “progressive, feminist” beliefs when confronted with accusations against a celebrity they enjoy
it’s almost predictable
3rd wave feminism is male validation repackaged so no they’re following the script perfectly. They’re so desperate to prove they’re a modern “good feminist” that they are nearly drooling over the chance to take up the case of an “abused man” and publicly virtue signal their support for male victims.
You can both be a progressive feminist and able to listen to a recording though so.
@@pinkcarnation3602 31:05 Links for the full recording and transcript of the tape is also in the description
@@pinkcarnation3602 missed the point completely.
It's what happened after the ''everyone should be a feminist'' started to gain track. You have people claiming to be feminists with the most minimal knowledge on the subject, all they know is what they've read on social media and google here and there. It's typically the kind of feminism that's the easiest to digest because it requires the littlest amount of introspection and critical thinking, not to mention backlash. Why do you think mainstream ''sex-positive'' feminism is so popular and receives the least amount of backlash?
But yeah.... everyone should be supporting ''the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes.'', but that doesn't make one a feminist. Imagine someone who identifies with communism walking into a meetup and starting debating marxism while he hasn't even read a single thing by Marx, or even worse... trying to school people or telling people to go ''educate themselves'' while doing it. That's basically a generation of ''feminists'' we're encountering online right now.
It's all nice and dandy until you got to take a stance that isn't applauded by the majority or even worse... Realize that you've internalized the misogyny and are part of the problem.
The most infuriating thing to me is seeing JD fans act like Amber Heard is making it harder for women to speak up against dv
Like??? No, JD fans being gross and treating this trial like a reality TV show (and, let's be honest, jumping with delight at the opportunity to be misogynistic towards a woman with the thin excuse of her being allegedly an abuser) is what's making it harder for dv victims to speak up. They can't even take responsibility for the toxic environment they're actively creating. It's disgusting.
Anyway, thank you for this video. I can barely even imagine the mental energy that must have gone into making and uploading this. Take care and rest up, you deserve it
"when I look at the judgements, when I look at the evidence, when I look at everything, my conscious is clear about where I stand" when you said that it just resonated with me because the whole reason I started obsessively watching the trial is because I felt like I was automatically "siding with Johnny" as the default due to the opinions of those around me. And I realized that I couldn't "side with Johnny" and have a clear conscious. This case has brought my internalized misogyny to the forefront. Thank you for making this video!
i usually don't comment. but i just want to tell you you're extremely courageous. A lot of people got harassed by Depp fans for even saying they didn't like those jokes. I'm extremely disappointed (but not surprised) by the youtube commentary community , especially women who called themselves feminists who seems to chew and spit out the same opinion defending him. Most people couldn't wait to jump on a case like this to punish victims.
I feel the "Why would I?" so much. I've talked about things with close friends, but I'd never talk about it publicly and I'd never attempt to press charges. Because why would I? I'm likely to fail and people are just going to say I'm lying and trying to ruin people's lives. I hate that so many people come to this same conclusion. And I hate that that conclusion often seems like the best bet.
Also thank you for talking about this case and how people are treating it. It's everywhere and I hate that people are treating domestic abuse as entertainment and that people are just playing internet sleuth.
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"That ruin their lives" infuriates me sooo much I can't even stand it.
That was said n at the Brock Turner case where his literally said just that to the judge all "it's not fair to forever ruin his life over a few minutes of action" and then the judge agreed that it is fact wasn't fair and gave him s few months & he served even less.
As if that trauma doesn't ruin her life literally forever like wtf.
Or the stubanville rapists case where they assaulted that girl over & over filmed it posted it online the whole town didn't want to "ruin those boys lives" blah blah blah
And it's treated like those victims lives aren't ruined. There's no truly moving past that kind of stuff even when your abuser was a stranger. When your abuser is a partner how does that not ruin you forever? Haunt you? Change your behavior? Steal your independence&ability to trust?
It's so fkn gross I can't even...
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Thank you for this
Princess, you'll always have my respect for being the only writer at The Mary Sue who took the sexual assault accusations against Joe Biden seriously, while everyone else there couldn't wait to bury the news under the rug and ban anyone in the comments section who dared pointing it out (myself included). Tara Reade is another example of an imperfect victim being viciously discredited by people who should've known better.
@ᴄᴏᴜʀᴛɴᴇʏ ᴡʜɪᴛᴍᴏʀᴇ Lol, I knew she was a UA-camr, but I couldn't find her channel because she had a different name for it not too long ago.
"If she can breathe she can lie" hit me so hard as a survivor of csa
I have to admit seeing this video has restored a little faith in me. Thank you for this video. It’s been weeks where all I’ve seen is content creators I used to like reporting a completely manipulated version of the story. Those who didn’t do it because of their own misogyny, probably did it just to appeal to the general public. But it’s been so discouraging. This whole thing only shows that the world is ready to believe abuse victims only if they’re submissive, quiet, if they take any punch and beating without saying anything in response. The minute you raise your voice against your abuser, nobody will believe you anymore
Everything has been so awful and depressing. Thank you for not just trying to going with the tide. You don’t know how much videos like these help.
I had purposefully not kept up with this trial so I had no idea how bad the situation on social media had gotten until I saw popular Twitch streamers xQc and Pokimane talk so casually about how the trial was great content during their podcast and I just felt sick to my stomach. Thank you for talking about this although I know it couldn’t have been easy. This is all so mentally and emotionally exhausting but it helps to know others see the seriousness of domestic violence and the misogyny influencing peoples reaction to this case.
It's been coming for a while, the memeification of everything. People are so used to memes and the internet and it's even easier to be detached from awful situations. Whatever you think of the trial, it should not have been public and become fodder for clickbait because it's just disgusting.
I fear for you for making this video tbh. The level of harassment related to this case is insane. Please stay safe.
Yeah. Props to everyone speaking out, I think we could make a difference if *all* of us started doing it- but like with JD and AH’s relationship, there is a power dynamic with this. people openly supportive of Depp are overwhelmingly praised while those believing Heard, attempting to be neutral about the case, or even saying that joking about the case is bad are almost certain to be spammed with comments and insulted- if not threatened with physical assault. I won’t tell my friends to speak out about this because I don’t want them to be threatened.
@@lga7134 we need to fight, I've started doing it. I am not comfortable for us to be silenced into submission. we are allowed to question and challenge what social media shows
That bit about body language science makes sense, same reason a lie detector is nothing to put your faith in either. Sometimes I watch JCS Criminal Psychology and similar channels, and the narrator is always *so* confident he can tell you when the suspect (who we know from hindsight going in) is guilty because of how they move, twitch, where they look. It'll be like, "You can tell with full certainty that when the suspect moves his hand behind his thigh, he was definitely raped by his mother - if he moves it in front of his thigh, it was the other way around. Taking this into consideration, it's no wonder he got into hard drugs and furry art that lead him down the path of double homicide." It also shakes me with how seemingly in awe he always is at the way cops will straight lie to and manipulate the suspects to trick information out of them. Yeah, we know they did it, but what if they do this to innocent people too? What if an innocent person gives all the nervous ticks and hand gestures they consider telling of dishonesty?
You're right to an extent, body language analysis is garbage. But there are some things that hold almost certain across cases. For example, an innocent defendant (or one who believes they're innocent) usually proclaims their innocence from the beginning and acts angry about being accused. If a defendant does anything except that, it's likely there is some level of guilt for something. Whether it's the crime being investigated is the question. Sometimes these individuals are acting sketchy for other reasons, e.g., they didn't commit this double homic*de, but they are dealing illegal substances
@@scarletsletter4466 I'd still have to look further into it, but I can see how it's different. I may have behaved similarly when some dickhead from loss prevention at a store I used to work at grilled me like a criminal over the phone, and I confessed to taking a cheap, little bouncy ball I found rolling around loose in an aisle. Turned out they thought I was stealing from the register because they saw me exchanging bigger bills into smaller bills on the camera. I didn't even know I couldn't do that, since my previous job let me do it all the time! Fortunately, they didn't care about the bouncy ball, but if I hadn't suspected that, I like to think I would have been more angry with them because I really had no idea what he could be on about besides.
Excellent video. The sheer number of "body language experts" preying on the situation like vultures and the Depp crowd rabidly eating it all up has been particularly frustrating for me.
I remember reading the book: Know My Name by Chanel Miller. She shares the story of her being raped, the aftermath, and the slap on the wrist her attacker received from the judge. It is one of the most profound books I’ve ever read. It is hard to read at times, it angers me, and more. I’m frustrated with news media and how the court system works. Primarily because if I were ever to become a victim. I know my story would not be mine and my scars would be put on display for all to see. (The following is shared with permission) A friend of mine was brutally attacked in our university parking lot, and she is STILL waiting for her rape kit to be processed. This world is mind boggling.
I find it very strange that even in spaces where the Depp vs. Heard case is being discussed without all the memeification baloney that there still seems to be this notion that they’re sniffing out The Abuser. It’s not some “who done it” game of Clue where there is one incident that you have to solve. Interpersonal relationships are complicated!
Its not some "who done it", but the idea of mutual abuse is a fictional one perpetrated by abusers (typically female, not always) to incriminate their victim and vindicate their own abuse of them. Abuse is messy and complicated, but there absolutely is an abuser and a victim.
Over one year later and Depp is the face of cologne campaigns. Meanwhile, Amber is laying low in Madrid. Major news outlets are only just now parroting the points you made in this video. You took Amber's side before the tide turned in her favor, before it became trendy to do so. Thank you for this video. No one else was standing up for her back then. It's better to stand alone than be wrong.
it is fucking terrifying to witness the online and social reaction to the trial. if the domestic abuse that had happened to my family and the trials surrounding it had been publicly fought and exposed to votes of sympathy and charisma i dont know how it would have ended and i dont want to know
thank you for speaking up about this. I am grateful to not be in Heard's position, and terrified that if I ever was I would be rebuked like this.
I’ve been deeply uncomfortable with the way that people have been talking about this trial to me, especially women I consider educated and caring friends. This video has been the first thing I’ve seen that really encapsulates all of my discomfort.
The devil works hard but body language analysis youtubers worker harder. It's cruel to be this hypercritical of someone's reactions, especially when recounting trauma or being in the same room as their abuser. Humans are biased creatures and if you want to believe that someone is being deceitful, your mind will look for anything to give you an excuse to distrust them. It's so sad that in 2022 these types of videos still have a hold over the public.
I had to walk out of my baby daddy’s house when discussing the trial. He was trying to argue depp was a victim of DV and only engaged in reactive abuse… I’ve been the victim of DV and abuse since our relationship ended. He has not. It made me so angry. He has no idea.
Our society hates women so much. It’s disgusting and I don’t understand when it’s other women partaking in vilifying women.
Amber is incredibly strong and brave but she shouldn’t have to be. I hope she knows that she has helped so many women who have experienced or will experience domestic abuse. Her courage has helped me to not be ashamed
The assistant meant that she shared her SA story with Amber and then Amber spoke about it. So she never meant claimed it as her own. She meant repeated it to others.
Depp was a victim of DV, absolutely he was. So maybe look to him as a role model instead of looking to an abuser like Heard.
I've been avoiding anything regarding the trial until its conclusions, but you're right. I did not realize how many of the myths you broke down in your conclusion I was already familiar with. These opinions have already percolated through the public sphere and with them all of the preconceived notions that others have already formed. Amber Heard isn't a good person but if she is an SA victim, she definitely does not deserve this onslaught of slander. It truly does feel like Gamergate 2.0.
So nauseating to witness people treat this court case like free content. Vile, and just confirms that women don’t truly have the freedom to come forward about their abuse. This poor woman. I hope she doesn’t find any of these tiktoks, the merch, the tweets… A true nightmare scenario. This was a hard video to watch :(
How about a man having the freedom to come forward about their abuse? Just going to gloss over the fact this is about a male abuse victim trying to clear his name from an abuser ruining his life and rep after he escaped her?
Every creator I've seen acknowledged Depps guilt has been aggressively harrassed by his fans. I agree with you and now I'm scared for you because his supporters are... scary
Thank you for making this. This trial has been triggering, traumatizing. As a victim of sexual abuse and as a mother to a daughter, I already live in fear of what my child faces. We should not be silenced, though it's difficult at times to speak up, and I'm so relieved that someone with a platform had the courage to make this. Thank you.
One of the biggest things I've seen as someone with schizoaffective is that people's "gut reactions" often target homeless disabled people who can't conform to normal expectations. I have seen so many women try to justify calling the police on people with nothing or other forms of violence just because someone talks to themselves or isn't in touch with reality.
The overturning of roe v wade in the background of this case truly feels like we have just been running in place
i'm not gonna lie, i have found myself caught up in the story being told by jd's team especially towards the start of the trial. but as time has gone on, the more i see myself in amber, the more i see my father (who abused me for 20 years) in johnny and the more i think about the fact that nobody would believe me in a court setting. the hardest part about convincing people that my father isn't who he seems is that he just seems so fucking cool and charming and smart and shit.
i know that if we were both to try and convince a jury, not only would they believe that he was a perfect father, but that i THE CHILD, someone who is currently 20, and was 3-17 when most of the shittiness occurred, was actually the abuser. that i treated him terribly. its so easy to believe jd's story because he tells a great story. but that doesn't mean its true.
I'm trying to care less about the trial. I've been so caught up in it that I've been feeling ill everyday since it started really. thank you for this video. will definitely return when i need a compassionate reminder of the fact that just because people don't often believe me, doesn't mean I'm lying.
I feel this. I've been wondering if my urge to "both sides" this has to do with being trained by my mother, my ex-boyfriend, my ex-husband, and various exploitative acquaintances to believe abusers. And that really scares me, because I also see a lot of my experience in Amber Heard's.
I’ve been the same, though mostly seeing my mother’s story in amber rather than my own. Despite witnessing DV of my mother as a child and being gaslit about it by the abuser, I initially thought nothing of DP’s lawsuit, took it for granted a year ago that he was the “real victim” until hearing about this current case and realizing… what the hell was I thinking? It is so so important to think about structural power in this scenario. To consider the context, how cherry-picked quotes and even video evidence doesn’t tell the whole story. I know my mom seldom if ever captured the whole of her altercations on audio- you’re not just able to start recording at the beginning like that. Her agression towards my dad could easily be used to frame her as the perpetrator or claim that they were equally abusive
@@AN-tw7uj if you can, please read the transcript for the UK trial, it pretty much shows that JD is the abuser in this situation
He lost the trial to prove that he isn't 'a wife beater' (the trial was against UK newspaper the Sun and that was their headline), now, I absolutely dispise newspapers like the Sun and always have but, the case clearly lays out why JD lost, and why the judge found credible evidence that proves the headline is not false and that JD is an abuser
I've been avoiding news about the case, and I didn't realize it till a few days ago. I just knew that reading it, and reading what others said about it, was going to hurt me. I really appreciate your take here, because it makes me feel like I'm not crazy for how I feel, and that sense of caution I have around this trial and the response to it.
Can I say I was in tears listening to this. I'm so scared to talk about certain things because in afraid of being labeled a crazy birch who wants to ruin a mans life.
Thank you for your support. It really means a lot
I don't know who's the abusive party in the Depp vs Heard trial (this is not an invitation to be told), but I am deeply uncomfortable with the language and circus surrounding it, and the way the topics of serious abuse and rape are turned into entertainment and monetized content. I'm also disgusted by the repeated stigmatisation of people with personality disorders and addiction. In the end the only ones winning here are 1) publicists 2) the ghouls participating in and feeding the circus for clout and mondtary gain.
This trial has done nothing to help male victims of abuse, or victims of abuse in general. If anything it's made the conversation around "imperfect" victims so much worse.
Thank you again for speaking up, especially back during such an unsafe time to do so
I keep thinking about the second verse of the song Courtney by The Narcissist Cookbook:
I don't know why we blame it on her
It seems easy to say "Courtney Love is capable of murder"
Without having much of anything to back that up
I might be going out on a limb here but I think
Society doesn't seem to like women at the best of times
But we get really mad when they fuck our rockstars, you know?
"Kurt Cobain belongs to us" we cried
So naturally when he died
Everybody said: Courtney did it
I guess there's not much of a difference between rock stars and the kind of actor that Depp is.
im a (trans) male victim of various forms of abuse and it took me a long time to even muster the energy to engage with this topic. I saw whispers of it and it put me on edge in a way i havent been in years. I saw what depp was claiming and wanted to believe him but i just felt strange about it. and the more i saw the more that ability to believe him was chipped away and now i cant stand to look at him. this whole case is so triggering and you literally cannot escape it on social media anymore. i just hope amber can recover somehow
Earlier on when things were coming out several yrs ago, my immediate reaction was you should listen to people when they call out abuse, so I believe Amber. It hasn't changed.
Then *this* trial has exploded onto social media. I've seen some wild takes like its a circus, and the backlash against MeToo is horrifying.
You are extremely on point about everyone is scrabbling to be in this narrative, and its really freaking weird, like they have skin in the game. The critical thinking, as you said, is thrown out, and its for this parasocial entitlement.
The wider perspective should be focused on how revealing this mess has been for people, and how its gotten to the point where the ripple effect will be felt by far too many.
I'm pretty disconnected with celebrities as a whole so stan behavior is so damn wild to me. My brain is moreso looking towards the aftermath and how victims are being impacted by this.
Princess, please take time to care for yourself, and thank you for the video.
Thank you so much for being the only kind voice I've heard on this issue so far. Just today, I was kicked out of a wholesome crafting group full of wine moms for calling out a meme that bullied Amber Heard (the group had a "no bullying" rule, but I guess that courtesy just doesn't extend to Amber Heard). It all makes me feel so unsafe and alone. It's so understandable why it was so hard making this video, but for what it's worth, I'm really grateful that you did.
I went and read through the UK court files and the court found that Johnny had beat Amber on at least 12 separate occasions. Her slapping him once or twice and making fun of his tattoos is nothing compared to the punching, kicking, choking and slamming and death threats that Johnny has done to her. God, I'm so glad that you and a bunch of other content creators I like are supporting her
Do you have a link to the court files? I'd like to read it.
@@willowfaye670here’s a pdf of it- www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Judgment-FINAL.pdf
Here’s a link to his appeal as well. www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Depp-approved-for-hand-down.pdf
The Think It was proven on the ongoing trial that Amber lied in the UK trial that Amber Heard lied under oath
@@willowfaye670 www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Judgment-FINAL.pdf here is the court's decision regarding that case. I also want to point out that the judge took Amber's word for many of the claims she made bc the judge reasoned that she was credible and that was that. SO to view this case as being as damning as some are claiming without reading the lacking legal reasoning the judge had for making the decision he did is ... interesting to say the least. And I also want to point out that so far with the US defmation trial that eye-witness testimony and medical records doesn't align with Amber's claims, and she even contradicts herself on the stand when you compare to her previous deposition or written statement for the UK trial.
@@BigBeatlesFan121 Thank you for being the only reasonable one here 🙏
FINALLY! Someone makes some sense. I thought I was going insane watching that trial and then seeing all this support for him from people online. I was so disappointed with that verdict and what it really means. It was Howard Stern who made a comment about Johnny Depp being a narcissist and doing this big public trial because he thinks he is smarter than everyone and can manipulate people to believe his lies - I thought thank goodness one person sees what I see. It was all such a disgusting act and the trial became about something completely different than what it should have been. His witnesses were not credible at all and his rambling monologue on the stand for three days was crazy to me. And then people had the nerve to demonize Amber's Lawyer for cutting him off when he was literally wasting hours of peoples time with his fantasies - what a joke. Even how Johnny spoke to him and using his last name Rottenborn to be belligerent and condescending. I saw a truly horrible, abusive person and I don't know how people can be so stupid and blind to the act and this fake narrative of being some poor little boy who was abused by his mother. He made such a point of fabricating the narrative that he was like his abused father sayinghow his father was never once aggressive, only to have proof come out that his father had hit him as a boy, like how far do you go to paint the lies!? When that "psychologist" said that Amber had histrionic personality disorder I could not scoff hard enough. The description she gave about having to be the centre of attention and talking in very elaborate phrases whilst saying nothing - that is exactly who Johnny Depp is! The fact this an "addiction nurse" suddenly became unaware of what "using" could POSSIBLY mean when on the stand - laughable! I'm so disappointed in the general public for being so gullible and ignorantly loud about that gullibleness. When everyone else believes the lies it makes it hard to respect them anymore. I thought back to Ted Bundy and how all these women were attracted to him. On a final note, there is an episode of American Dad called "The People Vs Martin Sugar" where Roger is in court showboating and manipulating everyone and Stan is the only person who can see the truth. Watching this trial was literally that episode.
Judge Judy wouldn't have taken any of Amber's crap.
I commented before watching to the end and you have literally got the Ted Bundy clip there - this is totally what I was getting at. Great video, very good points made. Thank you.
@@robynbowles8111 You're welcome.
@@muffridah8207 Welcome for what. At no point did I interact with you.
@@robynbowles8111 Fine. I revoke my comment, you're NOT welcome.
my mom escaped my father over 26 years ago, and she still will bring up her fear back then (and my early childhood during court stuff) that she was also bad to him. and it's taken her this long to accept that she was fighting back even though she heard from so many people that it made her a "bad victim" by being manipulative and bitchy sometimes. i'm grateful to you and everyone else that keeps speaking truth because watching this whole thing has been so disgusting and heartbreaking...
Thank you so much for talking about this. I have been scared to post about the case because JD stans namesearch and attack people who support Amber constantly. But of course it’s fine, in their opinion, to mock Amber’s trauma and post offensive TikToks for clout. So gross.
Honestly I don't know if the case is that clear cut, but I have been really disturbed by the way a domestic violence trial has become this source of fun and entertainment. I've seen way too many people making "analysis" videos with themselves laughing in the thumbnails and that's really the least of it.
THANK YOU! as someone who was in two abusive relationships and also abused by her mother, this whole thing has been horrifying for me to witness. Even in self-described feminist-anarchist-intersectional communities (like a twitch stream that I used to really love), this bullshit has just been going on and I have been 'corrected'. And what's worse is seeing women who have been in abusive relationships as well take the side of Depp. It is just too much and triggering for me, because of my past experiences. And it is anger-inducing but what is also worse is that, having worked hard for the past 4 years to regain my sense of self and agency after my ex boyfriend did DARVO to me continuously and painted me as the abuser, this whole trial bullshit is retraumatizing and making me question again the role I played in that relationship. To make matters worse, my cute non-binary bisexual crush is a big fan of tiktok and for fuck's sake, they were just telling me about body language specialists and shit. I am also a bisexual woman and I am TIRED. Thank you for doing this work even though it is costly for you. This whole spectacle is amazingly dehumanizing, I tried not to follow it, but still had news and commentary come at me. Seeing people who believe Amber and who are doing actual nuanced commentary on the case has been a breath of fresh air. It's amazing how people can actually believe that the power dynamic is reversed in this case, and the collateral damage from that is going to be big (Marilyn Manson's already trying to use the same strategy). I remember watching Allen v Farrow and in one of the episodes they talked about an expert witness who wasn't even a psychologist who invented some sort of syndrome that Farrow had and then many men who wanted to take children away from their wives in divorce trials used that guy's 'expertise', but they didn't even want the kids, they just wanted to punish their wives for leaving them.
I stumbled upon this video and I am so glad I did! I have been saying all this for years. The court system is the biggest theatre we have. It is all the society of the spectacle. I appreciate you touching on it. I used to love true crime, but I was wearing rose colored glasses. As a feminist, trauma survivor, and advocate for men and their needs, this was very eye opening.
This absolutely needed to be said, I’m sorry for any pain and trauma it caused you to make this video though
Thank you!!! As I got older I started to shy away from true crime as it became more and more… tasteless. but I didn’t truly understand how horrific it was until there was a shooting near my hometown. I couldn’t even stand to be online because of all of the horrible conspiracies, outright lies, “amateur detective” work, fucking memes for some reason, and blatant political manipulation of the situation (from ppl in both parties). I saw them come out in droves while it was still a developing story, before peoples bodies were even fucking cold. It was truly sick, I don’t think I’ve ever been so angry. The absolute dehumanization that true crime causes is so so terrible.
I cant understand how people well and truly interact with Amber’s story like this. I’m not a survivor but unfortunately I have friends who are.. friends who knew they wouldnt be believed, who were lied to by the people handling their case, by the cops, who were dropped by lawyers and couldnt have a witness come forward or tell truths about their pain because it would make them less credible and sympathetic. The court is absolute theatre there is hardly ever justice there. If their cases were televised i cannot begin to imagine the suffering it would have caused them.
i don't know that i can say i fully believe heard, but you're absolutely right about the sheer ridiculousness of this trial. psuedoscience, memeification, capitalization, all of it is out of control. even if (and i don't believe this whatsoever, just for arguments' sake) heard was the devil incarnate and depp was entirely innocent, none of the behavior responding to this would be ok. i dont engage in celebrity culture/content/whatever its called as i grew up pretty sheltered and still have no interest in any of it, so i really don't know anything personally about past public responses, but i think tiktok's addictive nature and capitalistic algorithm promoting this content ended up desensitizing and normalizing this kind of behavior. i don't think there's been any trial with notoriety like this during tiktok's life cycle (and i could be wrong, i don't use tiktok) which is why something like this has never happened on such a scale before. its a really strange viewpoint, to treat this as if it isnt just one particular case between two particular people that happen to be famous. it just happened when people needed a circus and society chose their clowns.
glad there's a rational person in the comments. My issue with the trial wasn't the outcome, it's how much of a spectacle it was turned in to. In the end, Depp came out looking perfect (which come on, we all know he fucking isn't) whereas Heard, despite the fact that she was clearly guilty, is now going to be referenced any time a woman says she's a victim of SA. Personally I think this video is shit, it feels more like sensationalism than an unbiased reporting.
@@KingSlimeProductions Amber heard isn’t guilty of shit because that’s not how a defamation trial works, for one, and two, it wasn’t a criminal trial. Depp has already been found to be an abusive wifebeater in court. Amber has never been found to be an abuser in a court of law.
This seems like it was hard for you to record. You're honestly really brave for speaking so openly and honestly on this matter. The internet has been such a weird place in the"discourse" (if you can call it that) following the trial. I genuinely thought I was just missing something because I wasn't on the Johnny bandwagon.
My newest ick is people mocking/imitating Ambers mannerisms towards the jury (turning to them, how she drinks water, how she holds herself)... They mock her as though she hasn't been coached to perform these very actions to try in vain amd have her beleived, as a woman, over the man in court. These are things countless witnesses will be told to do on the stand to humanize them and increase empathy from the jury. She is doing everything she can to have people listen to her and take her seriously - and the things she is coached to do are bejng weaponized online to point out... what exactly? Her incompetence at being a victim? Her inability to respond to aggressive questioning in an "acceptable: mannor? Or are we just enjoying a woman looking silly on the stand as she is accused of lying about years of domestic abuse?
Sure, they are not natural actions. But court isn't a casual situation.
Thank you for this video. I have been irked by the monetization of the trial and pretty much gagged when i saw "I watched the trial of the century so you don't have to" as an actual youtube title, but I can't say I wasn't swayed by the misinformation spread around. This video, especially the first and last points of debunking, really helped me understand things I had as you said made up my mind about from the start. Thanks again, and even though I saw you hated making this video and your further comment I still really appreciate it and I'm sure other people like me do.
xo
As an autistic woman I've been super troubled by this trend of amateur (and professional) body language analysis demanding everyone exhibit the "correct reaction," and picking apart every tick and expression, which has really come to a head during this case. And it's not just a neurodivergent issue, there is no 'right' reaction, especially in situations of high emotion.
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kinda a big reason why i still wear a mask even tho nobody else does...
Exactly. Due growing up with an abusive family member, my response when someone gets confrontational with me is to smile and say something appeasing like "Yes" or " of course". Which has led to people accusing me of smirking and making fun of the other person when in reality I was terrified ...
OMG SAME!!
It requires knowing the person, in order to understand their body language, and even then is just guessing, which just leads to biased conclusions.
“we doin trial by vibes?” is soooo succinct and accurate at describing what happens to these subjects when they’re given the “easy online content” treatment
For real. So many clips of the defense trying to justify the defamation charges by saying Depp did drugs and obtained them at heards request. Heard did drugs too. Situation is more then that. Drugs does not equal bad.
I would not survive a trial by vibes.
Thank you holy shit. like how much money does johnny have vs amber? like this is cruelly vindictive.
Yesss
@@TamaCinema69 not just money but power in general, he was well established, with tons of connections and a history of violence
Reactionary abuse is real. I’ve been there. I dated a cop and he would abuse me until I reacted and then “I” was the crazy one. The gaslighting got so bad I had a mental breakdown that he planned thoroughly for me to have in order to amplify the abuse. Because who would believe the “crazy woman?” Finally escaped the relationship and years later I called the authorities because he wouldn’t stop harassing me, they refused to help me once they learned he’s a cop. A lawyer even told me to get over it after I tried to get a restraining order. That bitch said I just wanted to get “revenge” on him.
He finally stopped emailing me almost FIVE years after I went no contact…
Once you see red flags or potential signs of abuse, RUN!!!! Don’t be with these folks because they will ruin you! That’s their goal because they feel nothing. In order to fill those empty feelings, they cause others harm. They get off on it.
I wish I could hug you. As the daughter of a cop I experienced the EXACT same thing. It never matters how many awful things they did to you, all that matters is the ONE time you react. And bystanders buy it, especially when the abuser is in a position of authority.
I'm SO sorry! I'm glad you survived and got away, I'm proud of you!
@@chloekravatz84 Awww let’s hug 🤗 each other! I’m sorry you had to grow up with that. Yes, enablers help them remain abusive. Even when they’re doing wrong, somehow they still can do no wrong. Probably because they fear them too. So in order to stay on their good side, they will look the other way or even help with criminal acts. It’s f*cked up, but I hope you’ve been going to therapy or something in order to heal well.😘💋♥️✨
@@mewmew6158 Thank you!!! I’m glad too. I couldn’t of escaped without my therapist and trusted few people who showed me the light. They constantly reminded me I didn’t deserve such awful treatment. Nobody does.😁✨
sending you love! as much as i hate that happened to you hearing more people talk about reactionary abuse makes me feel less alone, thank you.
One example of weird bias I saw was on a video of her slightly smiling it was "duper's delight, you can tell she's lying! She's so smug!" but on a similar video of him it was "oh bless, he's smiling to try and cope, he's trying to be brave." Super bizarre how differently the same behaviour is interpreted.
I watched another person insist that her touching her hair shows that she is manipulative because she is focusing on how she looks. As if being stressed and trying to control something about your appearance is somehow weird or not normal.
As a neurodivergent person, who was in an abusive relationship for a decade, the number of people who've become 'experts' at analyzing body language terrifies me.
My favourite twist on that is people diagnosing survivors of abusive relationships with personality disorders in order to discredit everything they've been through. It happens a lot with neurodivergent people, cause we're weird I guess
exactly. the sheer amount of people just pouring out these ableist ideas is just, horrifying. genuinely feeling unsafe
Absolutely. This rubbish is all over UA-cam.
hey, you need to fight back ! I'll join you
body language analysis "experts" scare me so much. beyond the heard/depp situation, there are so many videos condemning people who didn't react "normally" or "properly" to the deaths of family members, even though they were probably just dissociating from trauma and grief. it's just so sick to see these charlatans judge the minute facial expressions of grieving parents and abuse survivors.
Regarding the reaction thing, there was a really good article a few years ago about parents who’d accidentally left their children in hot cars. There was a woman who they were afraid of having testify because she was so calm and methodical in talking about what happened, and they were afraid the jury would think she was cold and uncaring.
So instead they played the 911 call from the scene, where she could be heard screaming and crying and expressing regret and horror. She cared, she just compartmentalized after the event because she had other things to take care of.
So yeah I’m rambling but the idea that If someone is composed when talking about a traumatic event it means they’re lying is so dangerous.
This!
I wish more people understood this. Life is not a movie, real people don't act like actors in a movie. We have very different and often weird reactions to intense emotion and reliving trauma.
In fact it’s important to understand the baseline of a person. UA-cam channel behavioral arts did a great job at deconstructing the real motives
Exactly. I'm autistic, I have extremely flat affect. I have been called a liar so many times in my life because I don't respond in ways that people see as authentic. I would stand absolutely NO chance in a trial judged on how I come across, instead of based on facts. I have been in one civil case where I did my own defence instead of having a lawyer, and it stood me in good stead because I was seen as presenting the facts in a dispassionate manner, but only because there was no jury, and I was regarded by the judge as a legal representative instead of the actual defendant.
@@carlovitulo the problem is people take that and run with it, assuming they know the "baseline" based on only seeing the person on tv or seeing small clips of them in their regular life.
UA-cam channels pushing the "look at the side he tilts his head towards, that implies dishonesty" stuff is spreading and normalizing this stuff.
Not saying the channel you mentioned was like that, but pretty much every one I have seen is just that.
My sister's friend lost her two children in a house fire recently. She was at work but her husband was home with the kids. They had just bought this house and some of the wiring was found to be faulty and badly placed. This tragedy made big news because her husband had been a volunteer fire fighter. We got the 'pleasure' of watching the True Crime Crowd turn their fucking nightmare of a freak accident into a conspiracy theory.
They claimed that Dustin started the fire, that he 'forgot the kids' inside, that he left them to burn, that he was having an affair and wanted them dead, that Nikki left her kids with an abuser etc. All kinds of completely unsubstantiated sick shit that they pulled out of their ass because "I heard a story like that on a podcast."
I have never in my life felt so much boiling anger at random strangers on Facebook.
I'm so sorry for you and your sister, that's heartbreaking 💔💔I wish people could understand making up conspiracy theories isn't just "all fun in games" and "harmless" when it can affect people.
People are VILE.
Omg that’s such a sad story.
The public nonsense reminded me of a case that happened in my city. A woman died in a car accident with a guy she had just met (it was their first date), the press took photos of some white powder on the scene and then all became a circus, people saying she was a prostitute, the powder was cocaine… but it was actually plaster that the guy used in his work and the woman worked on a school. My husband knew the woman.
I am so sorry this happened to your family. That is fucking sick.
INSANE. My condolences. This was pretty hard to read.
"the theatre of true crime is to tell the stories of good, clean, dead women. Not messy living women" This really hits me. Apologies if the quote is slightly off. Thanks for the video.
And "if they can breathe, they can lie." I was very much wrapped up in the coverage of this at the start but it did start to feel.. odd. I'm glad I didn't click out at the start when they said "I believe Amber Heard." It made me uncomfortable to hear, so I stayed.
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because it's easy to get it wrong, to mess it up. then people will be endlessly upset if they kill a bad, off kilter messy woman is in a show dies. if it looks like the character was written as "asking for it" (like sells lolicon because drawings are not victims and she needs to make money somehow)
That line hit me hard. It was a very good point.
Reminds me of the story of Matthew Shepard, one of the first murders of a gay man to be labeled as a hate crime. He was depicted as the kindhearted kid next door, a trustworthy babysitter and brother figure. People love a perfect victim.
We love to look back at figures like Monica Lewinsky and Britney Spears and say, "Wow, the 90s and early 2000s were rough on women! Thank goodness we've moved past that and we can see so easily why this was wrong!"
Enter Amber Heard.
I never thought about how one extra factor of this is as a natural progression of the true crime fandom, where a court case is just, figuratively, another series of the show. That was a really interesting point. I definitely think this is a perfect storm of stan culture, Me Too backlash and terminally online influencers whose need for clout is starting to outpace their empathy. It would be interesting if it wasn't so depressing and horrifying.
Thank you for this video as well - I try to talk to people in the very few spaces online without misinformation, but like other people have said it's so prevalent I honestly sometimes have been wondering if I'm not just deeply wrong and losing my mind? It's been an awful feeling and I can't imagine the degree Amber Heard is feeling it now.
This is a major consequence of the “panopticon” of the internet. We’ve commercialized reacting and being on “the right side” to the point where people view this as a team sport. Everyone wants to feel like they are uniquely prepared to figure out the truth because our landscape pressures us to have an opinion. But in the end, we don’t know anything. We aren’t trained for this and there are just some things we’ll never fully know. But at this point, people don’t care. They just want to “win.” This is the endgame of the panopticon: fan cams of a domestic violence case.
I hadn't really thought about the panopticon as a commercial engine before, but it is so accurate. Turning the observation of others into profit has always been the goal of the social internet, i guess
Truer words never spoken
Perfectly put
I love hearing people think that they're experts, more so than a renowned expert on libel who wrote the books on it. They say that judge was corrupted even when there's no fucking evidence for that.
I used to really want to have an internet presence. But the thought of it now fucking kills me to think about. I hope I don’t end up memed or something and go viral. I couldn’t stand being amber and have every move I make scrutinized like that.
I normally don’t comment on videos but I felt the need to because you have helped me snap out of all the bullshit I’ve been accepting about this trial. I was already disgusted about the memefication of it all but I did consider myself to be on I guess “Depps side”. As uncomfortable/disappointed with myself this video made me I’m glad I watched the whole way through. As frustrating this must have been to make I’d just like to say thank you. This entire thing is so messed up and saddening.
Speaking up on the internet can feel like shouting into the void but I just wanted to let you know some people are actually listening.
Also the Ted Bundy clips at the end really hammered home how disturbingly easy it is for people to buy into these narratives and characters. It’s eerie.
I felt the same!
Same here. Thought I was smarter than I was. Disappointed in myself, and grateful that this video helped me snap out of it.
Seconded. This might be a very necessary take right now. Hit me like cold water to the face, anyway.
Yah this was me as well. Avoiding the whole thing like the plague, but somehow subtly won over by Depp’s side anyway. Didn’t even notice till I started watching this video. Needed the wake up call big time 🤦🏼♀️
I'm a man who's previously been a victim of domestic abuse & it's super disappointing that this is the case that we latched onto to do theater of supporting male victims.
Yeah, it's honestly been sickening to watch people trying to classify what is and is not real abuse, when one of the biggest factors of male DV victims not being able to get help is the weight of judgment society puts on men when they're victims of violence.
Its establishing that the only way male victims will be believed and validated is if they portray the most limiting, traditional forms of masculinity as seen by Depp both before and during the trial. It's toxic as hell. You don't need to be tough or call women c*nts to earn support, no one should.
Same here bro. My last gf was controlling and physically abusive. The way people are treating Heard is sick. Hope you can heal.
Unfortunately a lot of people who claim to care about male abuse victims really don't care about them outside of weaponizing them against female abuse victims. I guarantee you a lot of people attacking heard to "defend male abuse victims" would be just as cruel to any actual male abuse victims they encounter. There's always a reason to defend the abuser it seems.
im so sorry you and other men like you keep having your trauma used to prop up the disgusting positions of ppl like this.
This video actually made me cry because when I was sexually assaulted, no one believed me because of my sexual history and mental illness history. "If she can breathe, she can lie" hit me like a ton of bricks.
I'm so sorry. I pray you are healing.
I believe you and nothing you did made you deserve it.
I believe you. ❤️
Exactly. I’m right there with you. I hope you’re healthy and healing. 🫶🏻
I believe you, and i'm proud of you for speaking up about it.
"If she can breathe, she can lie."
I couldn't help but cry watching this. It's been unbelievable seeing how much society hates women. Thank you for this video.
That line was genuinely so well put, I got shivers.
Same! Absolute chills 🙌🏽
I've seen so many men downgrade woman, it hurts. I'm pangender, but I've been affected by misogyny my whole life and sometimes when I see men who hate woman it makes me feel like IM in the wrong, no matter how mysogynistic they are. It's because I see it so much, and men expect woman to just sit down, be quite and deal with it.
For a long time, I thought that reading *Against Our Will: Men, Women, & Rape* as a 14 year-old messed me up for life, but it actually just softened many blows. We're ALL in this (shithole) together 🙏🏾
Yeah, the implications of that statement made me grimace. :-(
As a black feminist who has watched people not care about the high rate of DV in our community and gaslight black women with whole black incel movements (saying that we deserve partner violence), I am avoiding this Heard/Depp debacle like the plague because...if a white woman is being treated like this we have no chance to get a good day in court. No one cares about women's pain because we think women deserve it. Always. I do like some true-crime material that highlights the stories of black women / or even living black women that I find online but those people get no views anyway. I wanna push back a little bit and say that feminism has never become mainstream----because I don't see feminism out here at all.
I agree women are not believed and supported in general, and it's exponentially worse if you're not white. By default, I think the accuser should be given credibility because claiming be a victim of DV or rape isn't something that confers a bunch of benefits...usually the exact opposite.
I haven't followed this case at all up until a week ago, and the more I see, my opinion is Heard is lying and that is a HUGE disservice to all real victims. She is like a 1 in a million case where claiming she's a victim of abuse during the #metoo movement (started by a Black woman then co-opted by rich, white women) actually did benefit her. Given how much she's benefited and also potentially hurt other women by lying, I'm viewing her downfall as karmic justice. It's unfortunate that a bunch of incels will be celebrating too, but they would do that at any woman's expense.
If this ship sinks, we are all gonna go down with it. I’d say this is not the moment for black women vs. white women.
@@tdare5355 Hey I agree. Sorry if I added unnecessary divisiveness. At this point, I guess we're all just speaking opinions. IF Heard is the victim, her current teardown is tragic. IF Depp is the victim, his teardown up to now is tragic.
From what the testimony that's seen so far, I believe Depp more than Heard. The evidence of her being physically abused is really weak.
@@davehan241 My comment was actually towards the OP (Crislande). It’s ok to have different opinions as long as it doesn’t turn into bullying. So I respect your opinion.
@@tdare5355 so, every five hours in America a black woman is murdered, black pregnant women have the highest rate of intimate partner violence of anyone in the country, black girls the highest seggxual violence rate ---so much do that there's a direct correlation between the seggxual abuse of black girls and our incarceration called the "seggs abuse to prison pipeline." I'm sorry. I think you've misunderstood my comment at a fundamental level... this is not a white vs black thing because we aren't competing. Black women in America have maternal mortality rates, so high some folks think it's better for us to have children in developed nations. Not only that, we don't talk about the forced sterilizations that we get in the prison end of the seggxual abuse to prison pipeline.
I don't think you understand the topic or that white and black women in America don't even live in the same realities at all. There's not enough solidarity between us for division or competition to be based on reality.
Don't let me get started on fetal alcohol syndrome...
Our ship is already at the bottom of the ocean. I can't imagine having the privilege to think the ship is sinking---now.
One of the absolute worst things about the Depp vs Heard case is just how much worse the stigmatization of Cluster B personality disorders, ESPECIALLY BPD has gotten. The fact that this case was publicized basically enabled ableism against those with more "socially unacceptable" mental disorders to get even worse than it already has been and I have encountered WAY too many JD stans generalize all Cluster B's, ESPECIALLY BPD, as inherently evil and abusive.
Yeah, after years of people declaring anyone they don't like as having NPD, I wish I could say this development surprises me but it is something I fully expected. Ableism is making a STRONG comeback...
@@chloekravatz84 It's bad enough that COVID showed just how much people truly hate disabled people and people with chronic illness, but this case shows that people also truly hate people with mental disorders (and especially Cluster B Personality Disorders which are among the most stigmatized mental disorders) and the mentally disabled as well as those who are physically disabled.
Its incredibly frustrating to see, especially considering people with mental illness are a lot more likely to be VICTIMS of abuse and BPD is one of those diagnoses that can a) be easily mixed up with PTSD and b) can be brought on by sustained abuse
To be fair, some of us do seem to be innately abusive, and I'm sorry for this.
The way the ICD 11 handles everything under a single diagnosis of personality disorder with a scale to rate severity makes more and more sense. Unfortunately it will be at least another 10 years before we see the DSM 6 released and can hope for a similar reorganizing of personality disorders in the US.
Thank you... I've been really disappointed in the YT reactions even from typically progressive channels to Heard's testimony. Even if you don't believe her, it's not okay to pathologize every public behavior, including the emotions she shows while recalling violent encounters. She is an actor, yes. But she is a human fucking being first.
As a bisexual woman w diagnosed mental illness, I sadly agree with you point that “no amount of money is worth trying to (publicly) fight with a man” on the topic of your feelings, your trauma, the abuse you went through. Sometimes I feel like we as marginalised sexual, gender, race minorities just can’t win. No one cares about the justice.
It gave me such an uncomfortable feeling from the beginning, as someone who knew very little about the situation, that a domestic abuse trial was SO high profile that people were viewing it as entertainment. Like, such a serious, real thing shouldn’t be treated like the new thing to joke and talk about online, you know?
I think people should try their best to judge a trial....by the time the testimonies/questioning is over.
At this point I’ve seen so many “JD being funny at the trial!!” video recommendations that I legit believe he treats it as a way to salvage his career, not to find any justice.
@@evakurl that's entirely possible