Reckon they will appreciate the endorsement of the biggest moron in the country? FYI I saw some sales on at Tuggerah Westfield for new shirts. Time to buy a 2nd shirt so you aren't franticly washing and drying the one you have on each night.
As an Aussie that’s spent many years in China, I can assure you the Chinese leadership has made generational leaps in many industries including solar, wind, nuclear power. Take advantage of cheap tours to China and see for yourself - and better still - bring your kids along. They will very likely be working with the Chinese.
My skepticism is of the Chinese themselves -- there is no countering press - they lie about anything that threatens bad decisions they have made. I would find a tour interesting but I would not trust it.. they are big into fake it till they make it, with big emphasis on fake it
I concur. I strongly recommend the Viking to make a trip to China. Go to an auto show. Go visit a factory. Not just a car factory, but the electric scooter factory, the electric bulldozer factory, the electric everything factory. The outside people are amazed by the Chinese EV now. They haven't seen nuth'in yet. Let your imagination run wild, and you will be shocked by what is coming up in the pipeline.
@@MetaView7 He has been to China, but that was a sponsored tour (by an EV company). Maybe he need to do a city tour, outside first tier cities like Shanghai.
If you look at the total generation added with coal over the last 20 years you will see that the over all capacity really has not increased much over the last 15 years. China has shut down dozens of older, less efficient coal fired plants in the cities, and replaced them with newer cleaner and more efficient plants. Its been more of a maintenance of coal generation than an expansion of it for the past 8 years. While renewable installation has doubled every 2 years.
@@muskepticsometimes9133 and in 2024 it will be higher still. IEA numbers shows an expected increase of 0.9% for 2024, flipping to a 1.1% reduction in 2025, and reducing further after that. This very year, 2024, is peak coal in China.
Chinese gov realized a decade ago that with the large % of population getting to retirement age and all of the pollution exposure is the perfect storm of explosive health care costs. This is part of the effort to reduce that. This is only one aspect of this complex issue.
I was in Gansu this week. A friend who works in a powerplant said they are using less and less coal. Btw there is a giant wind mill factory just along the power plant.
Because Australia is no longer shipping coal to China? from Reuters: China imported 52.47 million metric tons of Australian coal in 2023, customs data showed, up from 2.86 million tons in 2022.
I traveled in Qinghai & Gansu this summer. When I was driving from Xining to Qinghai Lake, there was about 1 hour of driving where you always have some giant wild mill in sight.
@wj9494 that is so misleading, during that period there was a ban from China. Before that ban it was around 70 million. And that was written from the article you quoted from.
Someone traveling through Hong Kong please send a picture of the harbor looking out from the airport. In 2016 you could not see the water let alone any of the hundreds of cargo ships in your field of view. Smog was horrible at that time and a current pic will show the improvement.
@@waynewallace2061 yes there is a environmental disruption. But it fairly quickly returns and adapts to the new situation. Very few fish migrate this far up river. It is not like the salmon of the Atlantic or North Pacific. Once in place dams can be amazingly good for the environment. These dams store melt water from the Himalaya’s glaciers, and Tibetan spring melt. If the glaciers shrink to the point that there is not enough summer melt to support the down stream ecology, economies and communities, then millions are going to die. Not to mention the forests and wild areas. One reason for these damns is to store water that would have come from the glacial melts. These summer melts may not last much longer.
@@williamgraham6917 If the planet can turn it around and the CO2 levels start to decrease then the glaciers will return. China and smart countries like Norway have the answer.
Many people still looking through colored glasses at China. Ultra-high-voltage electricity transmission (UHV electricity transmission) has been used in China since 2009 to transmit both alternating current and direct current electricity over long distances separating China's renewable energy resources and consumers. So this didn't happened overnight. And carbon emission per capita, China is actually below many countries including the USA.
Solar panels must be made in huge number now while carbon energy is still cheap and plentiful. If I was given a limited amount of petroleum, I would use it to make solar panels, and then use the energy those generate to manufacture more panels. That is the situation we find ourselves. China is smart. Australia, America, China, North Africa, Mexico, India and the Middle East should all be investing in massive solar I have solar here in California and use it to power my car and home. It works.
Coal miners need to pivot and become Graphene producers. Universal Matter’s flash graphene process can turn coal into Graphene. We need Graphene, and so does China.
3 gorges dam in China alone produces 8.7X TIMES the electricity that we use in Australia. With the land mass we can Easly go solar with batteries very easily alone. 25million population for such a large country is a joke. Also, we have plenty of money to do so including making solar power in Australia and selling to Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore and some of our other Neighbours. Singapore has done some deal to build solar and supply their country but not sure how that deal is going as Singapore is meant to pay100% for it and keep paying for the rent for the land. Most likely the Australian government will stuff up the deal as DUTTON or his people will be our government in the next couple of months or so.
Australia with its relatively small population can easily go much greener than they are right now. BUT the energy giant Corporations are not having it and the Australian government are protecting their interest in return having their own political interest protected
It’s unfair to pick on China emissions / electricity consumption because of its size and industry. China is by far the world’s largest manufacturing country and has the world largest population but consumes electricity per Capita at HALF that of the U.S. even Australia consumes 75% more electricity per person than China and Australia has a small manufacturing industry.
I live on the other side on the planet. Here we have a few politicians that claim China is the biggest polluter. Those policians keep claiming they are very smart and best ever but apparenlty don't understand basics like the concept of per capita. They also claim global warming is a "hoax". Half the population vote for these geniuses.
it is our fault China is in this position, because we thought we could get everything a lot cheaper if we outsourced all our manufacturing to them. So they had to respond and massively increase their manufacturing capacity, and they did.
@@3rdrockhe’s probably misinformed about cost and when it comes to “cleaner,” he’s probably been taught that environmental damage related to mining are as bad as greenhouse gas caused climate change
I keep using those same words as Sam in my comments on anti-Ev and anti climate change videos. The economics will decide the unstoppable move to renewables and EVs. Crying about it and wishing it away won't make any difference. Get on board with the future or remain the losers that you already are. Sadly the coal and iron ore situations are going to really hurt us, so we have to get off our arses and come up with alternatives and stop the whining and denialism. We've been the lucky country for ever but that might be ending, and we'll find out what most of the rest of the world have to deal with.
Australia has MASSIVE opportunities with solar. A heavily-subsidized homegrown solar and battery industry would be good for Australia to replace the coal mining. (Subsidies CLEARLY worked for China, they just need to be strategic where the money invested in subsidies is NOT exported as profit to foreign corporations as happens in Canada). Of course, politicians with vision come along once every 1,000 years or so ...
I drive 50k miles a year in rural areas Texas, Utah, Wyoming, Nevada, Montana, Idaho, New Mexico, Colorado. I have rented BEV's (mostly Tesla) since 2016. I really want a BEV, but the range on a 75 mph freeway is 200 miles on a 300 mile BEV. I need 400 miles at 75 MPH to 20% in order to run my car between 20 and 80% for trips. That does not fix my time lost charging, the few rural level 3 chargers are 50 kW - but it would make a BEV possible for me.
@@wj9494 Interesting. Living in Europe I don't pretend to understand your environment, but do you seriously drive more than 200 miles before taking a break, resting your eyes from the road, using the bathroom, grabbing some food and drink? I'm retired now but never in my 50 years of driving have I driven for more than 3 hours without stopping to get out of the car and stretch my legs. I've owned an EV since 2019, it has 450 km at autoroute speeds in the summer, more like 350 km in winter...but I need a break before it needs to be charged, and when we do stop I plug it in.
Yeah 9 GW is nothing small. Although China is apparently shutting down dirty older coal plants. With the amount of new wind & solar coming online, along with hydro, I feel like China could hit peak emissions in 2025 or 2026 as the entire fleet of coal plants slowly reduces their yearly operating capacity.
China is still building new coal and gas power plants, but it is using them less, since renewable energy is cheaper. In May 2024, gas power generation in China fell by 4TWh (16%) and coal power generation fell by 16TWh (4%) compared to May 2023. Carbonbrief believes that China's carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions from fossil fuels and cement have been falling since March 2024 and that China's CO2 emissions peaked in 2023.
The thing in these comments about coal reminds me of when I was a kid living in the UK. Even then it was on the way out. My mum worked in a coal mine (canteen😄) and she could not hang out the washing if the wind was blowing in the wrong direction, got dirtier instead of dryer. Soon, only coke was allowed etc, this was in the 1960,s 60 years ago. We emigrated to lovely Ausi, and my first job was cane cutting (by hand), We burnt off the cane plantations before we cut it. The smoke from these fires, all over the east coast of Qld in those days made the sky brown for months on end. Food for thought!
I know that a large part of the coal that China buys from Australia is 'Thermal Coal', which is used in Steel Manufacture. I'm not sure that they buy a lot of brown coal from us. But any reduction in coal power stations is more than welcome.
I remember the acid rain problem in North America. You could actually see the acid rain effect in the leaves on trees. It was like pulling teeth to reduce dependance on coal fired power plants.
My dad told me that when he went back to visit the black forest in Germany where he fought them in ww2, he was shocked to see the trees in a very bad shape because of the acid rain.
Why did the 2 huge coal mines near your place just extended there life time massively when they were about to shut down ? 2 weeks later literally proves your wrong. As in they extended it yesterday …..
In more detail: In 1981, President Ronald Reagan claimed that trees produce more air pollution than automobiles, fueling a spate of jokes about “killer trees.” He was mostly wrong, but not completely. It is true that forests emit volatile organic compounds and reactive hydrocarbons such as isoprene, a chemical that contributes to air pollution. Although isoprene is harmless by itself, the gas reacts with other substances in the atmosphere to form certain types of fine aerosols and ground-level ozone. (Ozone near the ground causes health problems, damages crops, and contributes to climate change. In the stratosphere, it is beneficial because it prevents harmful ultraviolet rays from reaching Earth’s surface.) “What Reagan neglected to indicate is that unhealthly levels of ozone wouldn’t form without nitrogen oxides (NOx), pollutants emitted when gasoline and coal are burned,” explained Bryan Duncan, an atmospheric scientist at NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center and the deputy project scientist for the Aura satellite. Since sunlight is ubiquitous and forests emit large quantities of volatile organics in the summer, it is the amount of nitrogen oxide that determines whether ozone forms over cities on hot summer days. That NOx is most often supplied by vehicles. In the 1970s and 80s, the United States spent billions trying to limit hydrocarbon emissions, but such efforts had little impact on ground-level ozone because forests were providing plenty of natural hydrocarbons. Research conducted by William Chameides of Georgia Tech underscored the futility of trying to limit hydrocarbons while ignoring nitrogen oxides...issued by cars...and the only way to solve this is: BEVs...because the volatile organic compounds and reactive hydrocarbons such as isoprene are harmless if not mixed with the nitrogen oxides issued by cars...and trees generate O²!
Coal power plants, at least in Ontario, were hard to "spin up or spin down". So it's more likely renewable would be "curtailed" than coal would be. I think we closed our last plant in 2013 or 2014. I also know that Nanticoke only ran for 40 years, which is not a long time for a coal plant. I can't imagine anyone being stupid enough to build NEW coal and expect to get a "normal" return on that investment. Even a gas-fired plant is unlikely to have an ROI past the first decade or so. Banks that underwrite those kinds of projects should be avoided from an investing perspective as their management is too shortsighted for long-term "buy and hold" investing. Of course, that's JUST my opinion 🤣 Edit: I did some more research on this topic and apparently the Chinese DO use coal as "peaker plants". And they ARE uneconomical for normal operation but are still needed so ...
@@paulc6766 Ahh, yes Britain. The Luddites were both right and wrong. The power looms definitely took away jobs and caused social upheaval, but NOBODY today would go back. That IS the problem with progress, isn't it?
Some coal companies are giving up. I have stock in one that is just mining out what they have and closing down anything that is not economic. Then they sell anything that is sellable and pay out the proceeds to the investors. They've just shut down 2 mines is Wyoming.
I've seen people mention in several comments sections that China is shutting down old coal power plants while they open newer, cleaner ones. Meaning the new capacity isn't always added capacity. Then consider 1000 Gigawatt total potential yearly coal generation, but the plants run 1% less. That takes 9 GW off the grid just in that one percent reduction. This means that even with new plants being built, reduction in fleet capacity utilization can reduce overall emissions.
@@philiptaylor7902 very good, what size system in me is it, does it produce that kw ? We get about 5 to 7 cents for every kilowatt sent out to the grid but I often see a negative price on the wholesale electricity app so not sure if we are getting charged for electricity sent into the grid at certain times of day
The future in coal power station is looking dim year by year. Wake up and start to look for greener pastures before END Game arrives. That's the difference between a demographic people who have Confucius philosophy education and those who have none. Go figure, while you can change.
It would appear that the Chinese electricity generators are about to hit a sweet spot, where newer cleaner generation technologies along with storage are about to be more viable economically than even the best coal fired generators. The environment will love this starting with our atmosphere. We will get there.
Australia’s coal exports are now years past their peak. Let’s hope we can ensure that these displaced workers can be re-trained for new clean energy projects and that we take the opportunity to value add our metals using this clean cheap power.
I am not claiming you have false facts. China’s top administrative organization announced in mid-February (2022) that coal supply “will be increased” and coal power plants “will be supported” to run “at full capacity” to meet electricity demand. That is the most recent quote I can find Feb 2022 regarding electricity generation from China. That statement is what triggered the increase in coal power plant construction in China.
When you invest in renewables you can get revenue quickly,, power plants of other types have to be completed before they can produce any power and that can take years. There are also few ways to transport bulky fuel like coal to a plant. Railroads and shipping companies know this and can charge what ever they want. You can't control the cost of a power plant. Solar panels and wind turbines don't go up in cost they get cheaper and the payback is quick.
@@oldbloke204 We have infrastructure for electricity because it's used for everything, not just EVs. New demand will never stop even if there were no EVs. Even a gas station has to have electricity. We truck gas to the station and that is primitive, we never developed pipelines to them, so there is very little infrastructure. Even train tracks used to carry coal are there to haul other stuff.
@@oldbloke204 Long-term investments is never cheap. It's the result once it's running and producing. It's called dividends or payback time with golden eggs.
@oldbloke204 You are absolutely 💯 right ✅️. Because it depends on how our government of our kand and those BIG monopoly companies are doing in their policies in the land of sunset for the consumers not just for the benefit of the shares holders.
This makes perfect strategic sense. They are removing the cost of importing coal, which helps their balance of payments. It also gives them additional economic security against rising coal prices or even sanctions. They are building a cheaper source of energy using components manufactured in their own country. They are reducing CO2 emissions and pollution which is harming the health of the population and making places unpleasant to live in.
This is good news! Everything I have read said the CCP is building Coal power plants as fast as they can. Just last year they started building more coal plants than are in operation in all of North America.
If the economy in Australia is (still) depending very heavily of exporting coal to China, someone screwed this up. In my opinion the time the coal usage in China will start to drop was clearly visible ahead of time. Remember the Chinese, in spite of the fact they have dealt exceptions from the path to net zero, they have signed for following this path as well, even though with a time delay. And of course, it is exactly as you say in the vlog: Wind and solar is cheaper and cleaner and will be given a high priority.
Reuters: China imported 52.47 million metric tons of Australian coal in 2023, customs data shows, up from 2.86 million tons in 2022. Now Australia cannot sell them coal, is that why it's gone down? No supply?
Like it or not, it's the advantage of Govt monopoly of energy. China Govt can gear toward new direction and slowly fizzle out coal and other pollution related energy and towards green energy. Vested interest won't play a big negative role such as those in other countries. China is undeniably the global leader of green and renewable energy. Those who claims you are lying are ignorant at best or wicked at worst. A decade or two ago China didn't have the alternative energy and/or technology as options to be green but at the same time not pulling the legs of production and manufacturing. Not until 10 years ago.
Yes, China is still actively building coal-fired power plants. Despite its commitment to peak carbon emissions before 2030 and achieve carbon neutrality by 2060, China has continued to expand its coal power capacity. In 2023, it approved the construction of the most coal-fired plants in the last decade. This is part of its strategy to ensure energy security and stabilize the economy, particularly amid concerns about power shortages. China's reliance on coal stems from its large domestic coal reserves, which provide a reliable energy source. Even though the country is ramping up investments in renewable energy, coal remains a significant part of its energy mix. In 2022 alone, China added around This expansion has raised concerns about the global impact on efforts to limit climate change, as China is the largest emitter of greenhouse gases. Despite its renewable energy push, China's coal usage poses a significant challenge to global climate targets.
Today.. The first coal mine for 30 years to open in England has been stopped by court for climate change reasons...Great news. Now English government invest in jobs for the people where mine was to be constructed. The previous gar right government had said. Mine work or no jobs
Coal aren’t cheap anymore. The carbon taxes made it unaffordable. It has too much negative political downside for any viable political party to deal with.
Regarding your comment about the Chinese government not liking pollution, let me tell you something about how some Republicans in the USA think. You can go verify all this and you'll see that it's true. Some studies came out recently that natural gas powered stoves cause bad indoor pollution (I have natural gas heat + stove in my home) and is especially bad for childhood asthma. There was some discussion of phasing out natural gas appliances for this reason and very soon after this, Florida governor DeSantis signed a bill, that among other things, would prohibit bans of gas stoves in Florida, despite Florida being the state with the LOWEST (8%) percentage of gas stoves in homes of any state. In other words, they didn't want them, but as soon as they found they were bad for you and maybe they would be regulated, they wanted to be sure they could get them.
Maybe China as well as removing the pollution from their country, it's also removing the threat of Australia imposing the sanction of stopping coal exports in the event of Taiwan becoming an international issue.
Hundreds of thousands of coal mining jobs in Australia!!! Whilst coal is a significant export market there are only about 40,000 jobs in coal mining and, regardless of what China does all of these are not in any immediate risk. The reality is that coal mining is certain to go into decline in the next decade - as it needs to - but I would hope that people in that industry are preparing for that.
China is brilliant and smart planners. They followed the Confucius philosophy and teaching. The key 🔑 to success is to make as much money in the economy as possible in order to invest in moving up the next level of change. Don't kill the old and existing money profitable industries and businesses before the next level of the future is ready and proven for adaptation or change. In the WEST, the government and planners killed the golden goose that lays the golden eggs prematurely before moving into the unforseenable and unproven next level of dream improvement. It ends up in painful failures.
Yea thats thermal coal for making electricity. most of the coal going to china is coking coal for making steel high quality harder to find coking coal is wats driving coal mining in Australia
There's exponential electricity demand, data centres, crypto mining,ai, electric cars etc so solar panels won't be just replacing coal but keep up with the surge in electricity usage. They have to keep coal around for a while yet to make sure solar can cope
@@jimthain8777 maybe but they'll be nervous to stop coal early cos it's proven to handle the load. On paper, solar panels and batteries seem like they better but what if there's an unforeseen issue.
This focus on China's emissions has always been US/Western propaganda. On a per capita basis (meaning taking into account the population size) the US and Australia's emissions are much higher than China's. I think the US emissions are around double that of China.
If you take into account the manufactured goods exported by China to the rest of the world, and allocate the appropriate carbon emission on such goods to the importing countries, Western per Capital emissions would be even higher.
@@adamiskandar5107 Yes; calculating CO2 emission per country has always been a "tricky barstard". From my own (danish) viewpoint, Denmark would look way worse if emissions from shipping were put on the home countries of the shipping companies. On the other hands, danish ships usually sail with non-danish goods, So - as with China - is it really fair to say it is a nation-specific emission? Bottomline, IMHO, is that it is a global problem. But, paradoxically, we have to appoint responsibility to the individual states. Which, in turn, makes it a very diffibult problem to solve, politically speaking. In a sense, it is the ultimate "freerider problem"; the disadvantages of global warming are felt by all, but nobody wants to take radical solo action. This challenge will truly require the best of humanity to solve...
Chinese CP wants to not be dependent on imported coal so they won't suffer from the sanctions that will be imposed after they attack Taiwan. They want to be electricity self-sufficient.
attacking Taiwan would be a disaster, as we ( in NZ ) cooperate with manufacturers in the country, and they are much easier to deal with than Chinese companies.
Coal usage will increase again during winter months when people use electricity to heat their homes and solar won't produce as much electricity compared to the summer months. Yes renewables are preferrable but it doesn't product consistant energy compared to coal.
There's about 15 yrs of coal usage left in China...the massive construction of 3rd and 4th gen nuclear power (including peeble-bed and thorium molten salt reactors) takes time and China won't rely on just solar and wind, coal still have a role to play as back up, but the trend is undenibly clear. China's 14th Five-Year Plan (2021-2025) called for a buildout of some 150 new nuke reactors over 15 yrs.
Exactly. ✅️ People in the WEST needed to wake up to improve their own infrastructures. Decades of problems with promises ends up in decades of big excuses and broken promises after each mandate and elections. There's doers and there's liers in this world.
Until they find a profitable way to make Steel with out Coal I don't think all coal mines are doomed. I suspect about 3/4 of the coal mines will shut in the next 10 years. But as Metallurgical or coking coal is the dominant type of coal in Australia. About 60 per cent of the known economic reserves are located in Queensland, with about a quarter of the developable resources found in New South Wales. There are more than 3025 coal mines in operation globally, of which 128 are in Australia. Only the best as cheapest production mines will survive maybe 30 to 40 in Australia.
@@paulgoffin8054 Reference to report please for review. Reports I have read still suggest profitability issue. Until profitability issue are resolves unfortunately coal will be used.
Why are you lying? 12 new coal plants (9.1 GW) were approved in the first half of 2024 exactly as Electric Viking stated. That's less than a plant every two weeks. You can check it on Global Coal Plant Tracker.
The coal fired power industries around the world have 3 main issues they cannot escape - 1- shrinking markets for coal, 2- stranded assets, 3- decreasing public and private investments. It is very clear that their only way forward is to transition to where the clean energy future is going.
plus the simple fact, that if you are a power company, it is now cheaper to install solar or wind, and the upkeep is also less costly, therefore more long term profit going green.
@@TerryHickey-xt4mf what has cheaper got to do with anything? You fundamentally misunderstood the energy market....nobody wants more power in the middle of the day.
China can no longer afford to build power plants that are soon to be stranded assets -- numerous coal projects that are on the drawing boards will be abandoned just as millions of housing units were abandoned mid-construction. Nuclear plants may follow as they are slower and more expensive to build and operate. If exponential growth is sustained on SWB, it will overwhelmingly dominate in just a few years.
The transition is bigger and more costly than you imagine. One can blithely say "stranded assets," but who owns it finances them? Maybe a teacher's union in Sweden or California. It's a bigger problem than most imagine.
Even according to Chinese figures they are digging coal still. They are increasing each year. They are also closing old and small coal stations while increasing the quality of the burners to increase the efficiency in generating power and at the same time reducing the parthiculate being emitted. The standards are much better than EU and USA. They dig coal as compared to oil 1kg or coal has a density equivalent of 4kg of oil. It is cheaper to dig and they dig far more domestically than any other country by far perhaps by a factor of 10 compared to the next country. 5bn per year compared to others like indonesia at 500mn. The Chinese import approx 500Mn tons a year as coking coal for steel production of which say 50% comes from Australia when it meets the correct quality standard. They use coal like their peaker plants in the West use natural gas. It is cheaper and easier to do. Also they have approx 35 years of reserves of coal in China. As battery and hydro increase they take on the role of energy storage. Additionally nuclear, wind and solar are increasing at levels twice that of the West combined. They import approx 3% of their energy needs as natural gas and
If you google power generation in China the numbers show that, over the last year, Solar and Wind represented 52% of plated capacity. Yet they only generated 12% of demand. Coal is 42% of plated capacity and generated 70% of demand.
Capacity is mostly quoted when talking about solar and wind. It’s a misrepresentation of the reality. Capacity is on the ideal conditions at the best time of the year. Solar generation in winter, bad weather and during the night is minimal
If you relied on Google for datas in the fast changing China, it got outdated as you read it. It may be relevant and true in the slow pace of the WESTERNER nations. You shouldn't rely on Google fact check on someone's next move and planning into the future. Especially when the competition is not idling and slow or just all talks and no substance.
Hi viking. What happens in vietnam??? I am there on holidays and I haven't seen neither wind nor solar. But it seems that VINFAST has a sort of monopole. There are quite a lot on the roads.
Here in Canada, our coal used for electricity declined about 30% in the last 10 years. Australia, isn't the only country to feel the pain. One wonders what happens when coal is no longer needed to make steel?
Metallurgical coal is an essential element to steel fabrication. Steel is made by amalgamating carbon and iron. The kind of coal they use in plants for electricity production is a different grade.
Canada, along with the the US, is one of the worse pollutors in the world on per capita basis. It's like some policians in north america are intent on destroying both our economies and ecosystem but frame it as in our interests. China on the other hand has gone all-in on the unfront capital costs to develop alternate energy and is now reaped the rewards.
@@djt8518 Not if Canada adjusts its economy for alternative energy. Unfortunately., like in America, a significant segment of the country are conservative wackjobs that either deny global warming exists or downplay it. Thats the reason why EV, battery and alternative energy hasn't taken off in North America. A large segment of consumers, a large segment of our industrial leaders, and a large section of the political class undermine those industries. While China has gone all-in on EV, batteries, solar and other alternate energy tech, we are racing to compete with only one foot working. Trump even claims global warming is hoax.
@@effingsix3825 True, but there's also different kinds of carbon that can be used to make steel. They are already experimenting with electric furnaces.
The coal industry provides very few jobs and very little tax revenue. We'll be fine without it. Anyone telling you otherwise is a fossil fuel industry stooge, or else they don't know what they're talking about.
In Queensland there is a constant ad on yt put out by the alp that coal royalties are funding Qld's economy. An alp ad, the party that hates coal and coal fired plants.
@@SigFigNewton In the UK Employment in coal mines fell from a peak of 1,191,000 in 1920 to 695,000 in 1956, 247,000 in 1976, 44,000 in 1993, 2,000 in 2015, and to 360 in 2022. Whilst the decline certainly didn’t come without pain for many the reality is that progress happens and industries have boomed and busted since the beginning of the industrial revolution. The answer is to prepare for change, not try to fight it. The unions in the UK in 1970s did everything they could to fight pit closures but couldn’t and the reasons for ending coal production are far more compelling now than they were 50 years ago.
I'm interested in this idea that the Chinese turn down the output of coal power stations when renewable output is high. How flexible are coal power stations?
I don’t think coal fired power stations can easily start and stop. They are more base load. Secondly China has a long standing power shortage. Why wouldn’t it want to supply the shortage? It could be a timing thing as as Grid storage batteries come online for daytime generated solar and be able to supply the solar power at peak times when solar is not producing.
It will take many years for China to transition away from fossil fuels, despite the fact that they are moving with great alacrity. Not to mention they import 11 million barrels of oil per day to keep things running. Their leadership is hell-bent on a mission to adopt renewables -- solar, EVs, battery -- not because it's green, but because it's strategically important to the survival of the CCP. in a major conflict theur oil and coal supplies are easily severed. I won't waste time telling how and why. So yes, they have built pipelines, but nowhere near enough. And they have slowed Siberia 2 from Russia, also for geostrategic reasons. The information is readily available. China's strength (and weakness, oddly enough);us their command economy. The can pivot mire quickly than any great nation. Moreover, their leaders at all levels are mainly engineers. Not lawyers. Think on that! I would advise you look at the many coal plants they are "gifting" to Africa. I suppose Aussies can ride those coattails for a while longer. Sam, I am quite in agreement with your analysis. But you do tend to overlook geoplitics. Secondarily, you don't look deeply enough into the world's addiction and invested plant in fossil fuels. 100 million barrels a day of oil consumption. I very much wish you, Sam, would study Nate Hagens on UA-cam, a good but somewhat gloomy guy. I would love to see you on his show someday for a 3 hour interview/discussion. He's quite like you in many ways. Another teacher, but not without fault. He didna 3born4 part series with an oil industry buddy that really ipened my eyes to the scale of the problem. But there's you, Tony Seba, others. It's high time you all got together and from time to time did roundtables, perhaps organized an annual global convention (and even arrange to get paid!). Well these are some thoughts. Check out Nate then give him a call. Forgive my typing mistakes. Fat fingers on a small phone. 😕 Oh, so that oil analyst is Arthur Berman, so if you dial up his and Nate's long discussions in energy, you will get a master class view and come away with a sober realization of what we are facing. It's strong on data. No politics! If you review his many interviews, you will see how you fit in. I have encouraged him back in the day to connect with Tony Seba. It's high time that thought leaders like y'all get together and Do Something. I'm way too old, but encourage young fellows like yourselves to kick it into a higher gear .
This article - for someone who has lived and worked in China - is very interesting bc 'it was never about the power". The government had an energy policy that allowed people to propose and get funding for power stations - it really was as simple as that bc the nation was "power hungry... and 'coal power' was the simplest option. However, any such blanket policy, particularly within a corrupt system is easily abused. Make the case and get the funding... build the power plant - simple - but pay yourself a huge wage along the way, get kickbacks at every stage and rort every grant you can - then go off and live in Aus, or NZ or Canada... sure you leave a massively over budget, inefficient and poorly fashioned power plant behind... not your problem...
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As an Aussie that’s spent many years in China, I can assure you the Chinese leadership has made generational leaps in many industries including solar, wind, nuclear power. Take advantage of cheap tours to China and see for yourself - and better still - bring your kids along. They will very likely be working with the Chinese.
My skepticism is of the Chinese themselves -- there is no countering press - they lie about anything that threatens bad decisions they have made. I would find a tour interesting but I would not trust it.. they are big into fake it till they make it, with big emphasis on fake it
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I concur. I strongly recommend the Viking to make a trip to China. Go to an auto show. Go visit a factory. Not just a car factory, but the electric scooter factory, the electric bulldozer factory, the electric everything factory. The outside people are amazed by the Chinese EV now. They haven't seen nuth'in yet. Let your imagination run wild, and you will be shocked by what is coming up in the pipeline.
@@MetaView7 I am very interested. I will give it a shot, thanks
@@MetaView7 He has been to China, but that was a sponsored tour (by an EV company). Maybe he need to do a city tour, outside first tier cities like Shanghai.
Love the fact that you only don't only talk about EVs buh serious issues to do with climate......Its a good thing 🤟🤟
If you look at the total generation added with coal over the last 20 years you will see that the over all capacity really has not increased much over the last 15 years. China has shut down dozens of older, less efficient coal fired plants in the cities, and replaced them with newer cleaner and more efficient plants. Its been more of a maintenance of coal generation than an expansion of it for the past 8 years. While renewable installation has doubled every 2 years.
Coal co assumption increased 2023 was a record
They approve 2 new ones every week
@@muskepticsometimes9133 and in 2024 it will be higher still. IEA numbers shows an expected increase of 0.9% for 2024, flipping to a 1.1% reduction in 2025, and reducing further after that. This very year, 2024, is peak coal in China.
The last 10 years of progress has been insane.
Apparently Australia was only about 2% renewables in 2010, it's 40-50% now. I think it's safe to say coal is very much on borrowed time.
Chinese gov realized a decade ago that with the large % of population getting to retirement age and all of the pollution exposure is the perfect storm of explosive health care costs. This is part of the effort to reduce that. This is only one aspect of this complex issue.
I was in Gansu this week. A friend who works in a powerplant said they are using less and less coal. Btw there is a giant wind mill factory just along the power plant.
Because Australia is no longer shipping coal to China? from Reuters: China imported 52.47 million metric tons of Australian coal in 2023, customs data showed, up from 2.86 million tons in 2022.
I traveled in Qinghai & Gansu this summer. When I was driving from Xining to Qinghai Lake, there was about 1 hour of driving where you always have some giant wild mill in sight.
@wj9494 that is so misleading, during that period there was a ban from China. Before that ban it was around 70 million. And that was written from the article you quoted from.
@@wj9494 rubbish statement and you know it. check the historic facts then report back.
@@wj9494Coking Coal for steel making and not the dirty coal for power generation.😂😂
Someone traveling through Hong Kong please send a picture of the harbor looking out from the airport. In 2016 you could not see the water let alone any of the hundreds of cargo ships in your field of view. Smog was horrible at that time and a current pic will show the improvement.
went to Singapore just two months ago, same thing.
China always wanted to be energy independent- renewables is the way to go
Coal mine just got notice today 200 jobs gone in the Hunter Valley
Jobs that slowly kill the workers are being replaced with better jobs, true
@@SigFigNewton Better yet, that coal is used to make carbon fiber for electric vehicles to have longer range.
5 nuclear reactors worth of solar , every singe week! wow!
And wrong!
China also has a huge hydroelectric build out happening. This is happening along the main rivers out of the Tibetan plateau.
Along with commensurate environmental degradation
@@waynewallace2061 yes there is a environmental disruption. But it fairly quickly returns and adapts to the new situation. Very few fish migrate this far up river. It is not like the salmon of the Atlantic or North Pacific. Once in place dams can be amazingly good for the environment.
These dams store melt water from the Himalaya’s glaciers, and Tibetan spring melt. If the glaciers shrink to the point that there is not enough summer melt to support the down stream ecology, economies and communities, then millions are going to die. Not to mention the forests and wild areas. One reason for these damns is to store water that would have come from the glacial melts. These summer melts may not last much longer.
@@williamgraham6917 If the planet can turn it around and the CO2 levels start to decrease then the glaciers will return. China and smart countries like Norway have the answer.
Many people still looking through colored glasses at China. Ultra-high-voltage electricity transmission (UHV electricity transmission) has been used in China since 2009 to transmit both alternating current and direct current electricity over long distances separating China's renewable energy resources and consumers. So this didn't happened overnight. And carbon emission per capita, China is actually below many countries including the USA.
Solar panels must be made in huge number now while carbon energy is still cheap and plentiful. If I was given a limited amount of petroleum, I would use it to make solar panels, and then use the energy those generate to manufacture more panels. That is the situation we find ourselves. China is smart. Australia, America, China, North Africa, Mexico, India and the Middle East should all be investing in massive solar I have solar here in California and use it to power my car and home. It works.
The price of silver is at an all time high - those shiny bits in solar panels are silver.
Thank you. I love your concluding remarks “it is truly a race against time”.
Once China stops importing coal, it mainly affects Australia, Indonesia, Mongolia, North Korea.
Will mostly help Australia, right?
Switching from importing coal to importing lithium for energy storage?
Australia has a larger share of world lithium production than world coal production
This is a loooong way donw the road!
Essentially we haven’t gone far from the Stone Age still using wood or coal for heat.
But it's good for the world. Let's look at the big picture
Coal miners need to pivot and become Graphene producers. Universal Matter’s flash graphene process can turn coal into Graphene. We need Graphene, and so does China.
There's a problem with mass production of grephene cheaply.
The technology and cost affordability is not quite there yet.
3 gorges dam in China alone produces 8.7X TIMES the electricity that we use in Australia. With the land mass we can Easly go solar with batteries very easily alone. 25million population for such a large country is a joke. Also, we have plenty of money to do so including making solar power in Australia and selling to Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore and some of our other Neighbours. Singapore has done some deal to build solar and supply their country but not sure how that deal is going as Singapore is meant to pay100% for it and keep paying for the rent for the land. Most likely the Australian government will stuff up the deal as DUTTON or his people will be our government in the next couple of months or so.
Australia with its relatively small population can easily go much greener than they are right now. BUT the energy giant Corporations are not having it and the Australian government are protecting their interest in return having their own political interest protected
It’s unfair to pick on China emissions / electricity consumption because of its size and industry. China is by far the world’s largest manufacturing country and has the world largest population but consumes electricity per Capita at HALF that of the U.S. even Australia consumes 75% more electricity per person than China and Australia has a small manufacturing industry.
I live on the other side on the planet. Here we have a few politicians that claim China is the biggest polluter. Those policians keep claiming they are very smart and best ever but apparenlty don't understand basics like the concept of per capita. They also claim global warming is a "hoax". Half the population vote for these geniuses.
This nonsense has no bearing on physical science. Global warming is caused by global total CO2, not CO2 per Capita.
And that pollution was exported along with jobs to China by western companies.
it is our fault China is in this position, because we thought we could get everything a lot cheaper if we outsourced all our manufacturing to them. So they had to respond and massively increase their manufacturing capacity, and they did.
Are you asking for climate resposibility from an Australian? No way.
Wind and solar energy combined with battery storage are safer, cleaner and cheaper than fossil fuels or nuclear energy.
Cheaper WINS !
Not cleaner, nor cheaper
@@struggler8083 How do you figure that tiger?
It's renewable and cleaner, little toddler @struggler8083
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Why don't you tell us what better brilliant ideas you have.
Obviously you do have something else, do you?
@@3rdrockhe’s probably misinformed about cost and when it comes to “cleaner,” he’s probably been taught that environmental damage related to mining are as bad as greenhouse gas caused climate change
Hopefully this is or will be the situation in Japan. It is my understanding that much of Alberta's coal is exported to Japan.
Sam, I wonder the destinations of coal exports out of Newcastle Australia. I think a lot of the coal exports will be going to other markets than China
China are importing and burning more coal.than.ever
Another comment suggested that China is mining less of their own coal, so may keep importing a lot even as they burn less
@@SigFigNewton they aren't burning "less"....quite specifically...
Yeah, they'll be going to Africa. Check out the coal plant binge there. Made in China
I keep using those same words as Sam in my comments on anti-Ev and anti climate change videos. The economics will decide the unstoppable move to renewables and EVs. Crying about it and wishing it away won't make any difference. Get on board with the future or remain the losers that you already are. Sadly the coal and iron ore situations are going to really hurt us, so we have to get off our arses and come up with alternatives and stop the whining and denialism. We've been the lucky country for ever but that might be ending, and we'll find out what most of the rest of the world have to deal with.
China are importing and burning more coal than ever before
Australia has MASSIVE opportunities with solar. A heavily-subsidized homegrown solar and battery industry would be good for Australia to replace the coal mining. (Subsidies CLEARLY worked for China, they just need to be strategic where the money invested in subsidies is NOT exported as profit to foreign corporations as happens in Canada).
Of course, politicians with vision come along once every 1,000 years or so ...
I drive 50k miles a year in rural areas Texas, Utah, Wyoming, Nevada, Montana, Idaho, New Mexico, Colorado. I have rented BEV's (mostly Tesla) since 2016. I really want a BEV, but the range on a 75 mph freeway is 200 miles on a 300 mile BEV. I need 400 miles at 75 MPH to 20% in order to run my car between 20 and 80% for trips. That does not fix my time lost charging, the few rural level 3 chargers are 50 kW - but it would make a BEV possible for me.
@@capnkirk5528 there is so much wrong with your statement I don't know where to start
@@wj9494 Interesting. Living in Europe I don't pretend to understand your environment, but do you seriously drive more than 200 miles before taking a break, resting your eyes from the road, using the bathroom, grabbing some food and drink? I'm retired now but never in my 50 years of driving have I driven for more than 3 hours without stopping to get out of the car and stretch my legs. I've owned an EV since 2019, it has 450 km at autoroute speeds in the summer, more like 350 km in winter...but I need a break before it needs to be charged, and when we do stop I plug it in.
It's a bit like saying EV sales are declining when it's really their sales growth that is declining. Coal growth is declining, but it's still growing.
Yeah 9 GW is nothing small. Although China is apparently shutting down dirty older coal plants. With the amount of new wind & solar coming online, along with hydro, I feel like China could hit peak emissions in 2025 or 2026 as the entire fleet of coal plants slowly reduces their yearly operating capacity.
China is still building new coal and gas power plants, but it is using them less, since renewable energy is cheaper. In May 2024, gas power generation in China fell by 4TWh (16%) and coal power generation fell by 16TWh (4%) compared to May 2023. Carbonbrief believes that China's carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions from fossil fuels and cement have been falling since March 2024 and that China's CO2 emissions peaked in 2023.
@@Nphen Facts over feelings! Coal consumption in china will be very high for decades!
The thing in these comments about coal reminds me of when I was a kid living in the UK. Even then it was on the way out. My mum worked in a coal mine (canteen😄) and she could not hang out the washing if the wind was blowing in the wrong direction, got dirtier instead of dryer. Soon, only coke was allowed etc, this was in the 1960,s 60 years ago. We emigrated to lovely Ausi, and my first job was cane cutting (by hand), We burnt off the cane plantations before we cut it. The smoke from these fires, all over the east coast of Qld in those days made the sky brown for months on end. Food for thought!
Great video ! Very informative. Thank you & subscribed ✅
Thanks for the sub!
I know that a large part of the coal that China buys from Australia is 'Thermal Coal', which is used in Steel Manufacture. I'm not sure that they buy a lot of brown coal from us. But any reduction in coal power stations is more than welcome.
Thermal coal is for electricity coaking coal is for making steel we are the biggest coaking coal exporters
They are seriously taking steps to phase it out completely in 20 years.
I remember the acid rain problem in North America. You could actually see the acid rain effect in the leaves on trees. It was like pulling teeth to reduce dependance on coal fired power plants.
My dad told me that when he went back to visit the black forest in Germany where he fought them in ww2, he was shocked to see the trees in a very bad shape because of the acid rain.
Why did the 2 huge coal mines near your place just extended there life time massively when they were about to shut down ? 2 weeks later literally proves your wrong. As in they extended it yesterday …..
It really is mind boggling.
One party rule have an advantage of long term plan.
A lower share is not a reduction in consumption. Might be on the way but it's not here yet.
US "clean coal" Republicans explained in a nutshell:
Ronald Reagan said in 1981: "Trees cause more pollution than automobiles do."
In more detail:
In 1981, President Ronald Reagan claimed that trees produce more air pollution than automobiles, fueling a spate of jokes about “killer trees.” He was mostly wrong, but not completely.
It is true that forests emit volatile organic compounds and reactive hydrocarbons such as isoprene, a chemical that contributes to air pollution. Although isoprene is harmless by itself, the gas reacts with other substances in the atmosphere to form certain types of fine aerosols and ground-level ozone. (Ozone near the ground causes health problems, damages crops, and contributes to climate change. In the stratosphere, it is beneficial because it prevents harmful ultraviolet rays from reaching Earth’s surface.)
“What Reagan neglected to indicate is that unhealthly levels of ozone wouldn’t form without nitrogen oxides (NOx), pollutants emitted when gasoline and coal are burned,” explained Bryan Duncan, an atmospheric scientist at NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center and the deputy project scientist for the Aura satellite. Since sunlight is ubiquitous and forests emit large quantities of volatile organics in the summer, it is the amount of nitrogen oxide that determines whether ozone forms over cities on hot summer days. That NOx is most often supplied by vehicles.
In the 1970s and 80s, the United States spent billions trying to limit hydrocarbon emissions, but such efforts had little impact on ground-level ozone because forests were providing plenty of natural hydrocarbons. Research conducted by William Chameides of Georgia Tech underscored the futility of trying to limit hydrocarbons while ignoring nitrogen oxides...issued by cars...and the only way to solve this is: BEVs...because the volatile organic compounds and reactive hydrocarbons such as isoprene are harmless if not mixed with the nitrogen oxides issued by cars...and trees generate O²!
The ol gipper had a way of boiling an argument down!
Coal power plants, at least in Ontario, were hard to "spin up or spin down". So it's more likely renewable would be "curtailed" than coal would be.
I think we closed our last plant in 2013 or 2014. I also know that Nanticoke only ran for 40 years, which is not a long time for a coal plant. I can't imagine anyone being stupid enough to build NEW coal and expect to get a "normal" return on that investment. Even a gas-fired plant is unlikely to have an ROI past the first decade or so. Banks that underwrite those kinds of projects should be avoided from an investing perspective as their management is too shortsighted for long-term "buy and hold" investing. Of course, that's JUST my opinion 🤣
Edit: I did some more research on this topic and apparently the Chinese DO use coal as "peaker plants". And they ARE uneconomical for normal operation but are still needed so ...
Sadly, Britain is going to START a new coal MINE!
@@loungelizard836 Apparently not see comment above.
@@paulc6766 Ahh, yes Britain. The Luddites were both right and wrong. The power looms definitely took away jobs and caused social upheaval, but NOBODY today would go back.
That IS the problem with progress, isn't it?
US/UK/EU are the BIGGEST historical emitters. China emits on behalf of many foreign investments - so blame the West ;)
Some coal companies are giving up. I have stock in one that is just mining out what they have and closing down anything that is not economic. Then they sell anything that is sellable and pay out the proceeds to the investors. They've just shut down 2 mines is Wyoming.
I've seen people mention in several comments sections that China is shutting down old coal power plants while they open newer, cleaner ones. Meaning the new capacity isn't always added capacity. Then consider 1000 Gigawatt total potential yearly coal generation, but the plants run 1% less. That takes 9 GW off the grid just in that one percent reduction. This means that even with new plants being built, reduction in fleet capacity utilization can reduce overall emissions.
Solar panels below or above 30° south or north is very inefficient
Solar is doing pretty well here in the UK between 50 and 60 degrees north.
@@philiptaylor7902 very good, what size system in me is it, does it produce that kw ? We get about 5 to 7 cents for every kilowatt sent out to the grid but I often see a negative price on the wholesale electricity app so not sure if we are getting charged for electricity sent into the grid at certain times of day
Well it is true. The export of coal is growing in Aust to China. I know. I work in the coal industry. We cant keep up. No panic here.
Because China close a lot of coal mine and buying more Australia cleaner coal, Australin will still have demand for a long time.
The future in coal power station is looking dim year by year.
Wake up and start to look for greener pastures before END Game arrives.
That's the difference between a demographic people who have Confucius philosophy education and those who have none.
Go figure, while you can change.
@@jxmai7687same with lithium. China can make their own but it’s cheaper to import due to quality of deposits of the natural resources
@@jxmai7687 Don't bet on it.
@@jxmai7687 they are fickle however, they may decide to stockpile, or cut off imports at any time, they did it in the past and will in the future.
It would appear that the Chinese electricity generators are about to hit a sweet spot, where newer cleaner generation technologies along with storage are about to be more viable economically than even the best coal fired generators. The environment will love this starting with our atmosphere. We will get there.
Australia’s coal exports are now years past their peak. Let’s hope we can ensure that these displaced workers can be re-trained for new clean energy projects and that we take the opportunity to value add our metals using this clean cheap power.
I am not claiming you have false facts.
China’s top administrative organization announced in mid-February (2022) that coal supply “will be increased” and coal power plants “will be supported” to run “at full capacity” to meet electricity demand. That is the most recent quote I can find Feb 2022 regarding electricity generation from China. That statement is what triggered the increase in coal power plant construction in China.
That's 2 an half years ago. That's like 10 years in Australia.
@@wj9494 China's renewable energy is exploding every *month* and yet you bring statistics from over two years ago lmao
Coal is better off used as a feedstock for making carbon fiber and who-knows-what advanced carbon products
Solar is not a long term solution, doesn’t last long enough compared to a hydro dam
When you invest in renewables you can get revenue quickly,, power plants of other types have to be completed before they can produce any power and that can take years. There are also few ways to transport bulky fuel like coal to a plant. Railroads and shipping companies know this and can charge what ever they want. You can't control the cost of a power plant. Solar panels and wind turbines don't go up in cost they get cheaper and the payback is quick.
@@oldbloke204 We have infrastructure for electricity because it's used for everything, not just EVs. New demand will never stop even if there were no EVs. Even a gas station has to have electricity. We truck gas to the station and that is primitive, we never developed pipelines to them, so there is very little infrastructure. Even train tracks used to carry coal are there to haul other stuff.
@@oldbloke204
Long-term investments is never cheap.
It's the result once it's running and producing.
It's called dividends or payback time with golden eggs.
@oldbloke204
You are absolutely 💯 right ✅️.
Because it depends on how our government of our kand and those BIG monopoly companies are doing in their policies in the land of sunset for the consumers not just for the benefit of the shares holders.
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This makes perfect strategic sense. They are removing the cost of importing coal, which helps their balance of payments. It also gives them additional economic security against rising coal prices or even sanctions. They are building a cheaper source of energy using components manufactured in their own country. They are reducing CO2 emissions and pollution which is harming the health of the population and making places unpleasant to live in.
Solar power may be cheaper to build, but is 100% volatile and 0% secure. Deal with that!
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This is good news! Everything I have read said the CCP is building Coal power plants as fast as they can. Just last year they started building more coal plants than are in operation in all of North America.
If the economy in Australia is (still) depending very heavily of exporting coal to China, someone screwed this up. In my opinion the time the coal usage in China will start to drop was clearly visible ahead of time. Remember the Chinese, in spite of the fact they have dealt exceptions from the path to net zero, they have signed for following this path as well, even though with a time delay. And of course, it is exactly as you say in the vlog: Wind and solar is cheaper and cleaner and will be given a high priority.
we are always way behind, 😞
Reuters: China imported 52.47 million metric tons of Australian coal in 2023, customs data shows, up from 2.86 million tons in 2022. Now Australia cannot sell them coal, is that why it's gone down? No supply?
Are chinas numbers usually true or do they show, what their customers like them to be? ;-)
Connecting 5 nuclear reactors worth of solar and wind every week.
Like it or not, it's the advantage of Govt monopoly of energy.
China Govt can gear toward new direction and slowly fizzle out coal and other pollution related energy and towards green energy. Vested interest won't play a big negative role such as those in other countries.
China is undeniably the global leader of green and renewable energy.
Those who claims you are lying are ignorant at best or wicked at worst.
A decade or two ago China didn't have the alternative energy and/or technology as options to be green but at the same time not pulling the legs of production and manufacturing. Not until 10 years ago.
现在新建的燃煤发电厂都是超超临界发电厂了，效率非常高且配备完善的温室气体捕捉技术。 这已经不是传统意义上的燃煤电厂了。 在清洁能源大力发展的今天，火力发电厂和核电厂的意义在于稳定电网的负载，只在必要的时候启动所需的功率，以最大限度的利用清洁能源电力。
Yes, China is still actively building coal-fired power plants. Despite its commitment to peak carbon emissions before 2030 and achieve carbon neutrality by 2060, China has continued to expand its coal power capacity. In 2023, it approved the construction of the most coal-fired plants in the last decade. This is part of its strategy to ensure energy security and stabilize the economy, particularly amid concerns about power shortages.
China's reliance on coal stems from its large domestic coal reserves, which provide a reliable energy source. Even though the country is ramping up investments in renewable energy, coal remains a significant part of its energy mix. In 2022 alone, China added around
This expansion has raised concerns about the global impact on efforts to limit climate change, as China is the largest emitter of greenhouse gases. Despite its renewable energy push, China's coal usage poses a significant challenge to global climate targets.
Uummm..............Yeah...............There's no reason to make and use coal power when manufacturing and power demand has collapsed.
China is putting in 300kw+ annually of renewables. 300/52 = 5.7kw per week+
Today.. The first coal mine for 30 years to open in England has been stopped by court for climate change reasons...Great news. Now English government invest in jobs for the people where mine was to be constructed. The previous gar right government had said. Mine work or no jobs
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Stop coal energies ,n nuclier too n change with Dams,wind turbine,solar cell,baterais for homes n Ev s,fresh n cooler ,we hope much
Coal aren’t cheap anymore. The carbon taxes made it unaffordable. It has too much negative political downside for any viable political party to deal with.
Regarding your comment about the Chinese government not liking pollution, let me tell you something about how some Republicans in the USA think. You can go verify all this and you'll see that it's true. Some studies came out recently that natural gas powered stoves cause bad indoor pollution (I have natural gas heat + stove in my home) and is especially bad for childhood asthma. There was some discussion of phasing out natural gas appliances for this reason and very soon after this, Florida governor DeSantis signed a bill, that among other things, would prohibit bans of gas stoves in Florida, despite Florida being the state with the LOWEST (8%) percentage of gas stoves in homes of any state. In other words, they didn't want them, but as soon as they found they were bad for you and maybe they would be regulated, they wanted to be sure they could get them.
Good News for chinese citizen but bad News for Australian coal exporters
Maybe China as well as removing the pollution from their country, it's also removing the threat of Australia imposing the sanction of stopping coal exports in the event of Taiwan becoming an international issue.
Hundreds of thousands of coal mining jobs in Australia!!! Whilst coal is a significant export market there are only about 40,000 jobs in coal mining and, regardless of what China does all of these are not in any immediate risk. The reality is that coal mining is certain to go into decline in the next decade - as it needs to - but I would hope that people in that industry are preparing for that.
China's route to energy independence.
China is brilliant and smart planners.
They followed the Confucius philosophy and teaching.
The key 🔑 to success is to make as much money in the economy as possible in order to invest in moving up the next level of change.
Don't kill the old and existing money profitable industries and businesses before the next level of the future is ready and proven for adaptation or change.
In the WEST, the government and planners killed the golden goose that lays the golden eggs prematurely before moving into the unforseenable and unproven next level of dream improvement.
It ends up in painful failures.
Yea thats thermal coal for making electricity. most of the coal going to china is coking coal for making steel high quality harder to find coking coal is wats driving coal mining in Australia
There's exponential electricity demand, data centres, crypto mining,ai, electric cars etc so solar panels won't be just replacing coal but keep up with the surge in electricity usage. They have to keep coal around for a while yet to make sure solar can cope
Economics is going to make that harder and harder. It will also make renewables easier and easier, as they scale, and as the industry matures.
By the way, China is keep selling electricity to Vietnam for their manufacturing industries.
@@jimthain8777 maybe but they'll be nervous to stop coal early cos it's proven to handle the load. On paper, solar panels and batteries seem like they better but what if there's an unforeseen issue.
This focus on China's emissions has always been US/Western propaganda. On a per capita basis (meaning taking into account the population size) the US and Australia's emissions are much higher than China's. I think the US emissions are around double that of China.
The environment care about total emissions not per capita ones
If you take into account the manufactured goods exported by China to the rest of the world, and allocate the appropriate carbon emission on such goods to the importing countries, Western per Capital emissions would be even higher.
@@moneyobsessed How about total emissions for the past centuries?
@@adamiskandar5107 Yes; calculating CO2 emission per country has always been a "tricky barstard".
From my own (danish) viewpoint, Denmark would look way worse if emissions from shipping were put on the home countries of the shipping companies.
On the other hands, danish ships usually sail with non-danish goods, So - as with China - is it really fair to say it is a nation-specific emission?
Bottomline, IMHO, is that it is a global problem.
But, paradoxically, we have to appoint responsibility to the individual states. Which, in turn, makes it a very diffibult problem to solve, politically speaking. In a sense, it is the ultimate "freerider problem"; the disadvantages of global warming are felt by all, but nobody wants to take radical solo action.
This challenge will truly require the best of humanity to solve...
@@adamiskandar5107China has already caught and well surpassed Britain's total emissions since the industrial revolution.
Americans don't want to believe this 😂
Chinese CP wants to not be dependent on imported coal so they won't suffer from the sanctions that will be imposed after they attack Taiwan. They want to be electricity self-sufficient.
attacking Taiwan would be a disaster, as we ( in NZ ) cooperate with manufacturers in the country, and they are much easier to deal with than Chinese companies.
Why does he say it's a race against Time?
Race against climate change and fossil fuel running out. There is indeed an urgency.
but fox news said...
China has seen a drop of 80% in foreign investm, yeah something's going on in China. 😲
It’s sad to see so much misinformation and emotional rhetoric in the comments
It is sad... China is importing and burning more coal.than.ever before
Discomfort with change makes easier the work of fossil fuel marketers
That's because change isn't always good some people are always hurt like the coal miners and their kids
@@djt8518 oh no! Only 99.9% benefit from these changes, should we really do it? Think of the lung destroying jobs that will be lost
@@djt8518 But better than dying from Black Lung.
education will now be a priority and not drinking....good luck
Coal usage will increase again during winter months when people use electricity to heat their homes and solar won't produce as much electricity compared to the summer months. Yes renewables are preferrable but it doesn't product consistant energy compared to coal.
Wind, storage.
Are you receiving money from China? How much?
There's about 15 yrs of coal usage left in China...the massive construction of 3rd and 4th gen nuclear power (including peeble-bed and thorium molten salt reactors) takes time and China won't rely on just solar and wind, coal still have a role to play as back up, but the trend is undenibly clear. China's 14th Five-Year Plan (2021-2025) called for a buildout of some 150 new nuke reactors over 15 yrs.
Exactly. ✅️
People in the WEST needed to wake up to improve their own infrastructures.
Decades of problems with promises ends up in decades of big excuses and broken promises after each mandate and elections.
There's doers and there's liers in this world.
I wish we could say things like "5-year plan". U.S. can't even have a plan that lasts until next month!
Until they find a profitable way to make Steel with out Coal I don't think all coal mines are doomed. I suspect about 3/4 of the coal mines will shut in the next 10 years. But as Metallurgical or coking coal is the dominant type of coal in Australia. About 60 per cent of the known economic reserves are located in Queensland, with about a quarter of the developable resources found in New South Wales. There are more than 3025 coal mines in operation globally, of which 128 are in Australia. Only the best as cheapest production mines will survive maybe 30 to 40 in Australia.
They're working on that. If they figure it out, that will be the nail in the coal industry coffin.
If that happens going to be a lot of hungry homeless kids
Hydrogen. Already demonstrated
@@paulgoffin8054 Reference to report please for review. Reports I have read still suggest profitability issue. Until profitability issue are resolves unfortunately coal will be used.
Lower the use of coal powered utilities negates ruining all the global infrastructure to use EVs. Buy a hybrid.
Lack of knowledge is tiresome.
Wonderful news perhaps thank you for this.
60% of energy in China is powered by fossil fuel. 2 new coal plants are approved every week to be built.
Why are you lying? 12 new coal plants (9.1 GW) were approved in the first half of 2024 exactly as Electric Viking stated. That's less than a plant every two weeks. You can check it on Global Coal Plant Tracker.
The coal fired power industries around the world have 3 main issues they cannot escape - 1- shrinking markets for coal, 2- stranded assets, 3- decreasing public and private investments. It is very clear that their only way forward is to transition to where the clean energy future is going.
More coal was exported last year than ever before
@@grantbuttenshaw What type of coal - coking coal is used for steelmaking and there isn't an economically viable alternative ... YET.
@@capnkirk5528 both....
plus the simple fact, that if you are a power company, it is now cheaper to install solar or wind, and the upkeep is also less costly, therefore more long term profit going green.
@@TerryHickey-xt4mf what has cheaper got to do with anything?
You fundamentally misunderstood the energy market....nobody wants more power in the middle of the day.
China can no longer afford to build power plants that are soon to be stranded assets -- numerous coal projects that are on the drawing boards will be abandoned just as millions of housing units were abandoned mid-construction. Nuclear plants may follow as they are slower and more expensive to build and operate. If exponential growth is sustained on SWB, it will overwhelmingly dominate in just a few years.
The transition is bigger and more costly than you imagine. One can blithely say "stranded assets," but who owns it finances them? Maybe a teacher's union in Sweden or California. It's a bigger problem than most imagine.
Even according to Chinese figures they are digging coal still. They are increasing each year. They are also closing old and small coal stations while increasing the quality of the burners to increase the efficiency in generating power and at the same time reducing the parthiculate being emitted. The standards are much better than EU and USA.
They dig coal as compared to oil 1kg or coal has a density equivalent of 4kg of oil. It is cheaper to dig and they dig far more domestically than any other country by far perhaps by a factor of 10 compared to the next country. 5bn per year compared to others like indonesia at 500mn. The Chinese import approx 500Mn tons a year as coking coal for steel production of which say 50% comes from Australia when it meets the correct quality standard.
They use coal like their peaker plants in the West use natural gas. It is cheaper and easier to do. Also they have approx 35 years of reserves of coal in China. As battery and hydro increase they take on the role of energy storage. Additionally nuclear, wind and solar are increasing at levels twice that of the West combined. They import approx 3% of their energy needs as natural gas and
Thanks for spreading the good news. I need it during my bad days. :)
Any time!
China is importing and burning more coal than ever before
If you google power generation in China the numbers show that, over the last year, Solar and Wind represented 52% of plated capacity. Yet they only generated 12% of demand. Coal is 42% of plated capacity and generated 70% of demand.
Capacity is mostly quoted when talking about solar and wind. It’s a misrepresentation of the reality. Capacity is on the ideal conditions at the best time of the year. Solar generation in winter, bad weather and during the night is minimal
If you relied on Google for datas in the fast changing China, it got outdated as you read it.
It may be relevant and true in the slow pace of the WESTERNER nations.
You shouldn't rely on Google fact check on someone's next move and planning into the future.
Especially when the competition is not idling and slow or just all talks and no substance.
Plated capacity?
70% isn’t accurate?. Source
Hi viking. What happens in vietnam??? I am there on holidays and I haven't seen neither wind nor solar. But it seems that VINFAST has a sort of monopole. There are quite a lot on the roads.
So basically, China just saved the world.
But coal helps with global warming. Scandinavia is getting warmer and with longer summers. Please help keep up the global warming.
and other get submerge and people have no place to live.......
@@jetli740
Then they should move to other places with higher elevation. There is a lot of land to go around for all :)
@@faster6329 you are very selfish only think of yourself
@@jetli740
No, I think about ALL the people living in Scandinavia. We all going to have a better life in a bit warmer climate.
simple, this can not be true.😂
Here in Canada, our coal used for electricity declined about 30% in the last 10 years.
Australia, isn't the only country to feel the pain.
One wonders what happens when coal is no longer needed to make steel?
Metallurgical coal is an essential element to steel fabrication. Steel is made by amalgamating carbon and iron. The kind of coal they use in plants for electricity production is a different grade.
Canada, along with the the US, is one of the worse pollutors in the world on per capita basis. It's like some policians in north america are intent on destroying both our economies and ecosystem but frame it as in our interests. China on the other hand has gone all-in on the unfront capital costs to develop alternate energy and is now reaped the rewards.
Going to be a lot of hungry homeless people
@@djt8518 Not if Canada adjusts its economy for alternative energy.
Unfortunately., like in America, a significant segment of the country are conservative wackjobs that either deny global warming exists or downplay it. Thats the reason why EV, battery and alternative energy hasn't taken off in North America. A large segment of consumers, a large segment of our industrial leaders, and a large section of the political class undermine those industries.
While China has gone all-in on EV, batteries, solar and other alternate energy tech, we are racing to compete with only one foot working. Trump even claims global warming is hoax.
@@effingsix3825
True, but there's also different kinds of carbon that can be used to make steel.
They are already experimenting with electric furnaces.
The coal industry provides very few jobs and very little tax revenue. We'll be fine without it. Anyone telling you otherwise is a fossil fuel industry stooge, or else they don't know what they're talking about.
In Queensland there is a constant ad on yt put out by the alp that coal royalties are funding Qld's economy. An alp ad, the party that hates coal and coal fired plants.
Yet it’s also true that there are some small towns entirely reliant on a mine. What’s good for society will greatly disrupt the lives of a few.
I come from such a place doesn't matter to some people if kids are hungry
@@SigFigNewton In the UK Employment in coal mines fell from a peak of 1,191,000 in 1920 to 695,000 in 1956, 247,000 in 1976, 44,000 in 1993, 2,000 in 2015, and to 360 in 2022. Whilst the decline certainly didn’t come without pain for many the reality is that progress happens and industries have boomed and busted since the beginning of the industrial revolution.
The answer is to prepare for change, not try to fight it. The unions in the UK in 1970s did everything they could to fight pit closures but couldn’t and the reasons for ending coal production are far more compelling now than they were 50 years ago.
@@robsengahay5614 just look at cds, VHS, kodak, floppy disks, etc etc. The times are a changin'
I'm interested in this idea that the Chinese turn down the output of coal power stations when renewable output is high. How flexible are coal power stations?
I don’t think coal fired power stations can easily start and stop. They are more base load. Secondly China has a long standing power shortage. Why wouldn’t it want to supply the shortage? It could be a timing thing as as Grid storage batteries come online for daytime generated solar and be able to supply the solar power at peak times when solar is not producing.
It will take many years for China to transition away from fossil fuels, despite the fact that they are moving with great alacrity. Not to mention they import 11 million barrels of oil per day to keep things running. Their leadership is hell-bent on a mission to adopt renewables -- solar, EVs, battery -- not because it's green, but because it's strategically important to the survival of the CCP. in a major conflict theur oil and coal supplies are easily severed. I won't waste time telling how and why. So yes, they have built pipelines, but nowhere near enough. And they have slowed Siberia 2 from Russia, also for geostrategic reasons. The information is readily available. China's strength (and weakness, oddly enough);us their command economy. The can pivot mire quickly than any great nation. Moreover, their leaders at all levels are mainly engineers. Not lawyers. Think on that! I would advise you look at the many coal plants they are "gifting" to Africa. I suppose Aussies can ride those coattails for a while longer. Sam, I am quite in agreement with your analysis. But you do tend to overlook geoplitics. Secondarily, you don't look deeply enough into the world's addiction and invested plant in fossil fuels. 100 million barrels a day of oil consumption. I very much wish you, Sam, would study Nate Hagens on UA-cam, a good but somewhat gloomy guy. I would love to see you on his show someday for a 3 hour interview/discussion. He's quite like you in many ways. Another teacher, but not without fault. He didna 3born4 part series with an oil industry buddy that really ipened my eyes to the scale of the problem. But there's you, Tony Seba, others. It's high time you all got together and from time to time did roundtables, perhaps organized an annual global convention (and even arrange to get paid!). Well these are some thoughts. Check out Nate then give him a call. Forgive my typing mistakes. Fat fingers on a small phone. 😕 Oh, so that oil analyst is Arthur Berman, so if you dial up his and Nate's long discussions in energy, you will get a master class view and come away with a sober realization of what we are facing. It's strong on data. No politics! If you review his many interviews, you will see how you fit in. I have encouraged him back in the day to connect with Tony Seba. It's high time that thought leaders like y'all get together and Do Something. I'm way too old, but encourage young fellows like yourselves to kick it into a higher gear .
This article - for someone who has lived and worked in China - is very interesting bc 'it was never about the power". The government had an energy policy that allowed people to propose and get funding for power stations - it really was as simple as that bc the nation was "power hungry... and 'coal power' was the simplest option. However, any such blanket policy, particularly within a corrupt system is easily abused. Make the case and get the funding... build the power plant - simple - but pay yourself a huge wage along the way, get kickbacks at every stage and rort every grant you can - then go off and live in Aus, or NZ or Canada... sure you leave a massively over budget, inefficient and poorly fashioned power plant behind... not your problem...
That problem seemed to have been solved, isn't it?
@@adamiskandar5107 Yes - they now probably live next door to you...
不要造谣，煤电发电厂都是国有企业，只有小型水电站和小型太阳能面板是可以个人安装的，大型发电厂和发电设备都是国有企业采购安装运营，方便控制电价，中国已经几十年没涨过电费了。