this is not an actual ternary computer. it's just a binary converted to ternary. the logicism used is directed from binary and works as a binary. even the example had to use the coded state as 10,11,01. so basically your input state is not a trit (trinary digit), but rather 2 bits. (or maybe I can't understand that part)
She does have her image on her LinkedIn Account of a much younger, and thinner Jessie. I am sure that would have helped. I guess she also failed her communication classes of U of AK
My guess is that the audience was confused about how to implement ternary in electronic circuits. Don't get me wrong, I love the balanced ternary number system, but the advantage being able to represent it electronically as a single trit as opposed to two bits is problematic in an asynchronous system. If you increment a trit from 0+ to +- how does the receiver know that it wasn't a transition from 0+ to +0 then from +0 to +- in sequence? The SLT has to cross the zero state to get to the minus state. Perhaps if you could transmit it as polarized light with three distinct angles... but I can't remember whether you can transmit polarized light through a fiber and have its polarization maintained. Too bad they cut off the Q&A.
Anybody know where we can get our hands on a ternary computer? Or where to look for Jesse's current progress? I would love to experiment with the opcode set
We might need to go back to basics as a hobbyist and build one from scratch with a breakout board, shame i didn't learn about ternary/base 3 in college. I would of definitely of given it a try.
37 😃👏 wow Since there are more logic gates/operators using ternary logic, I wonder what new types of circuits, which are combinations of logic gate (e.g. AND, OR, NOR, etc...), would be possible. Boolean logic has 222 = 16 distinct binary operators (operators with 2 inputs), Ternary logic has 332 = 19,683 operators
If i was an engineer in the USSR working to create and produce a base 3 computer and it gets axed to clone western models i would of been absolutely livid and devastated. All that time, work and resources discarded because a higher up decided it was easier to clone and reverse engineer binary computers.
today's machines run on 3.3v or 5v and we know that 5volt is 1 and 0volt is o, this is just a thought. why do not use 0v and 5v and 10volt on the same line next to the memory so we have three possible, it obviously requires a whole new direction and development, the memory in the computer should probably remember three different states with a capacitive memory and if we use 0v. 1,5V. 3v. 4.5v there are four modes = two bit on one wire, instead of only 0 and 1 = one bit on one wire.
no. base 3 hold 3 output of a trit, while quten ( I assume you are talking about quantum) their output is a fuzzy digit. it could be 0, or 1 at the same time
"We've been working on IOTA ... That's a block chain..." Aaaaand I lost it right there. Her subsequent explanations of IOTA are even worse. Uga muga. Still a good video for other reasons.
You should probably not lose it next time, take a closer look at the IOTA Foundation and what it represents. They are a non profit Organization, and you look at what IOTA can do and its projects, you would probably want that (Data privacy, no middle man, perfect use for the IoT and the extension of renewable energy at 0 marginal cost, transaction free, infinitely scalable, and it has been proven so far). You may not like it for whatever reason, which is fine, but be aware or at least consider of what IOTA and Jinn Processing can do to improve living conditions.
No there is a reason, transistors are on and off and it was the best way to do it so that's why but I'm sure this would be good but not a quantum computer by any means
No transistors have nothing to do with the use of binary. The earliest electronic computing systems used triode valves (vacuum tubes), relays, and motor driven switches. Early computers used various bases, including decimal. The reason for binary was signal to noise ratio. The number theory behind the Radix Economy she talks about dates back to the 1920's! So ternary was known to be more efficient both for the math and for memory. However doing tri-state with the electronics of the time was difficult. Binary just made the electronics simpler. As the electronics progressed it was easier to stick with binary. The Russians built dozens of ternary computers in the late 1950's because they used less valves than binary do do the same math. Therefore they were cheaper. At no point did she mention quantum computing. The point of this project is to find out what the practicalities are with implementing ternary with modern technology. The theory is that it would be more efficient of power, memory density, and chip size. With the trend to smaller devices and higher packing densities this is a goal with real value.
Sadiq Mohamed yes I understand what you are saying (mostly) but I was implying that it was easier to do transistors at the time and that is the reason it because industry standard and it fit very well with binary but yes now we do need more efficient computers as the technology and understanding has progressed I mention the quantum computer because I believe it would be better to work on that and get it into all computers than work on that then do the ternary design as it would be faster would it not?
The point I was making was that the decision to use binary in computing machines came way before transistors appeared on the scene, so any mention of that is a red herring.. Ternary can be implemented with existing technology and manufacturing processes and is a couple of orders of magnitude cheaper than quantum. The issue here is packing density and size. A small quantum computer is around the size of a 1960's mainframe, and is of a similar cost!
Sadiq Mohamed yes I understand your point and like you said a quantum computer now is like the 1960s computer so I'd rather spend 40 years developing that than get ternary and get quantum computers in 70 years because they are underdeveloped as we always need faster computers.
I don't know where you are getting your info, but a Quantum computer is NOT a binary machine. It is a multi-state machine, and I believe the D-Wave is either ternary or higher. Also this is not an either or situation. A quantum computer would be useless in a control computer, and probably would not fit in a phone. Did you watch the video or look at any of the papers she has published? Ternary can be done now. It just needs someone to show that a real world application is possible. That is what they are doing. Ternary can also co-exist with binary. There is no issue. As I said before the same manufacturing processes used for current cpu, gpu and memory can be used for ternary devices. There is no magic. All the number theory for calculating was done more than 50 years ago. I suggest that before you jump into this sort of discussion you do some research. This is not a new idea. There were good reasons for going with binary at the time, but that has become entrenched. It should not be set in stone. There are other labs working in this area. The only reason this is on HAD is that it is intended to be an Open Source project.
@@markvalkrin3128 "eventually" is already over. ternary computers have already been built. if they haven't been sent to the dump, most likely they are in a museum somewhere in Moscow.
@@markvalkrin3128 can you see about that in the Виртуальный Компьютерный Музей, www.computer-museum.ru/histussr/12.htm. The thing was called "Setun" - look for "Сетун" and"Сетун 70". You are welcome - don't forget your virtual feather duster.
@@menyasavut3959I know all about the Russian ternary computers. www.extremetech.com/computing/295424-back-off-binary-samsung-backed-researchers-debut-ternary-semiconductor There you go
Binary computers are simply better, because the computer has to use only 2 characters and binary is a simpler algorithm. IT IS NOT EFFICIENT to use ternary.
Binary + or 0 signal. Ternary +, 0 or - signal. Transitors already are capable of inverting signal, the complexity of the build is mostly there already. Binary, requires at minimum one extra digit to represent negative notations, and requires steps to determine if providing a subtracting, or adding operation. Ternary is balanced, it includes negative numbers natively, and has no subtraction just negative numbers being added to positive. Ternary represents more characters per power, allowing larger numbers for the same complexity on the chip. Ternary is more efficient, and utilizes only represtations that the computer *already* has access too
For the first time a computer on the ternary logic was made in the USSR in 1958. He is called "Setun." Produced 46 pieces
Can you explain me the technical details ?
@@JuPiTeR_0211
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Setun
Was researching ternery computers and was shocked to see IOTA mentioned. I invested in IOTA back in 2017. Crazy how I came across it randomly today.
Energetic crowd.
Energetic speaker.
And built like a Tank!
@@GeekBoy03 She has some horse power!
Ternary.
This is one of the most important IoT videos out there, so much juicy info on JINN/IOTA. I love how under wraps this is, IoT is the future.
what is JINN ? I found a crypto named JINN. what do you know about it ?
Yes you're on the right track, learn about what it does, the company and its connection to IOTA :)
If you are asking what is JINN, then you did not watch the video
No it's not, you're just spewing a bunch of infantile fad boy buzzwords. Keep it to yourself you pathetic loser.
this is not an actual ternary computer. it's just a binary converted to ternary. the logicism used is directed from binary and works as a binary. even the example had to use the coded state as 10,11,01. so basically your input state is not a trit (trinary digit), but rather 2 bits. (or maybe I can't understand that part)
They're using binary-coded ternary (BCT) system where each trit is encoded by 2 bits. It is a common way to store ternary data on binary computers.
@@CompactStar I was interested to create a ternary computer 2 years ago. Now rereviewing it it actually solve the communicating problem
Geez next time present to a wax doll museum, maybe graveyard? Because that crowd is friggen EXCITED.
She does have her image on her LinkedIn Account of a much younger, and thinner Jessie. I am sure that would have helped. I guess she also failed her communication classes of U of AK
That was the most pathetic "round of applause" I have ever heard in my entire life.
My guess is that the audience was confused about how to implement ternary in electronic circuits. Don't get me wrong, I love the balanced ternary number system, but the advantage being able to represent it electronically as a single trit as opposed to two bits is problematic in an asynchronous system. If you increment a trit from 0+ to +- how does the receiver know that it wasn't a transition from 0+ to +0 then from +0 to +- in sequence? The SLT has to cross the zero state to get to the minus state. Perhaps if you could transmit it as polarized light with three distinct angles... but I can't remember whether you can transmit polarized light through a fiber and have its polarization maintained.
Too bad they cut off the Q&A.
Blame the audio tech! There were no mikes in the crowd to pick up the response!
Anybody know where we can get our hands on a ternary computer? Or where to look for Jesse's current progress? I would love to experiment with the opcode set
We might need to go back to basics as a hobbyist and build one from scratch with a breakout board, shame i didn't learn about ternary/base 3 in college. I would of definitely of given it a try.
2:44 Dang, that was very prescient, considering the paper that recently came out about balanced ternary cutting compute costs
37 😃👏 wow
Since there are more logic gates/operators using ternary logic, I wonder what new types of circuits, which are combinations of logic gate (e.g. AND, OR, NOR, etc...), would be possible.
Boolean logic has 222 = 16 distinct binary operators (operators with 2 inputs), Ternary logic has 332 = 19,683 operators
Finally. Non-binary computer
Jajajaja
She knows her stuff. Nice talk.
He summaraized the wiki pretty well.
So the whole approach of Ms. Tank and collaborators, even in hardware, was based on binary encoding? It's from seven years ago; any updates?
Why is base E so difficult? I know it's not a whole number, but I don't know what makes it so difficult specifically?
Because it hard to make circuits with 2.7 wires or 2.7 transistors.
try to count 2.71828183 objects and come back when you do
@@GordieGii That isn't necessary. The question is about place value.
OK. how can you present a 64 bit number with a 27 trints ?
Should take around 40. 2^64 = 1.84467E+19 , 3 ^40 =
1.21577E+19
Where are the slides uploaded? Does anyone have a link?
If i was an engineer in the USSR working to create and produce a base 3 computer and it gets axed to clone western models i would of been absolutely livid and devastated. All that time, work and resources discarded because a higher up decided it was easier to clone and reverse engineer binary computers.
Does this reduce the possibility of hacking a machine control system from outside threats?
In some ways yes.
today's machines run on 3.3v or 5v and we know that 5volt is 1 and 0volt is o, this is just a thought. why do not use 0v and 5v and 10volt on the same line next to the memory so we have three possible, it obviously requires a whole new direction and development, the memory in the computer should probably remember three different states with a capacitive memory and if we use 0v. 1,5V. 3v. 4.5v there are four modes = two bit on one wire, instead of only 0 and 1 = one bit on one wire.
beautiful
Hello could Base 3 programing be used in Quten bits?
no. base 3 hold 3 output of a trit, while quten ( I assume you are talking about quantum) their output is a fuzzy digit. it could be 0, or 1 at the same time
1:52 Dammit, mine was 37 lol
The new Qbit Chips are they ternary base?
that is apples and oranges.
Absolutely not they run a on quantum mechanics and code base that had to be reformed to communicate with it
This video is still way unterrated.
Wait and see.
Someone has 5 stars on GTA at the 5:30 mark
IOTA 15:52
"We've been working on IOTA ... That's a block chain..." Aaaaand I lost it right there. Her subsequent explanations of IOTA are even worse. Uga muga. Still a good video for other reasons.
IOTA goes beyond the Blockchain. They can pretty much make Blockchain obsolete. That's how much better Tangle is.
You should probably not lose it next time, take a closer look at the IOTA Foundation and what it represents. They are a non profit Organization, and you look at what IOTA can do and its projects, you would probably want that (Data privacy, no middle man, perfect use for the IoT and the extension of renewable energy at 0 marginal cost, transaction free, infinitely scalable, and it has been proven so far). You may not like it for whatever reason, which is fine, but be aware or at least consider of what IOTA and Jinn Processing can do to improve living conditions.
The universe is already base 3
What?
it's at least base 12 if you account for elementary (?) particles
No there is a reason, transistors are on and off and it was the best way to do it so that's why but I'm sure this would be good but not a quantum computer by any means
No transistors have nothing to do with the use of binary. The earliest electronic computing systems used triode valves (vacuum tubes), relays, and motor driven switches. Early computers used various bases, including decimal. The reason for binary was signal to noise ratio. The number theory behind the Radix Economy she talks about dates back to the 1920's! So ternary was known to be more efficient both for the math and for memory. However doing tri-state with the electronics of the time was difficult. Binary just made the electronics simpler. As the electronics progressed it was easier to stick with binary.
The Russians built dozens of ternary computers in the late 1950's because they used less valves than binary do do the same math. Therefore they were cheaper.
At no point did she mention quantum computing.
The point of this project is to find out what the practicalities are with implementing ternary with modern technology. The theory is that it would be more efficient of power, memory density, and chip size. With the trend to smaller devices and higher packing densities this is a goal with real value.
Sadiq Mohamed yes I understand what you are saying (mostly) but I was implying that it was easier to do transistors at the time and that is the reason it because industry standard and it fit very well with binary but yes now we do need more efficient computers as the technology and understanding has progressed I mention the quantum computer because I believe it would be better to work on that and get it into all computers than work on that then do the ternary design as it would be faster would it not?
The point I was making was that the decision to use binary in computing machines came way before transistors appeared on the scene, so any mention of that is a red herring..
Ternary can be implemented with existing technology and manufacturing processes and is a couple of orders of magnitude cheaper than quantum. The issue here is packing density and size. A small quantum computer is around the size of a 1960's mainframe, and is of a similar cost!
Sadiq Mohamed yes I understand your point and like you said a quantum computer now is like the 1960s computer so I'd rather spend 40 years developing that than get ternary and get quantum computers in 70 years because they are underdeveloped as we always need faster computers.
I don't know where you are getting your info, but a Quantum computer is NOT a binary machine. It is a multi-state machine, and I believe the D-Wave is either ternary or higher.
Also this is not an either or situation. A quantum computer would be useless in a control computer, and probably would not fit in a phone. Did you watch the video or look at any of the papers she has published? Ternary can be done now. It just needs someone to show that a real world application is possible. That is what they are doing. Ternary can also co-exist with binary. There is no issue.
As I said before the same manufacturing processes used for current cpu, gpu and memory can be used for ternary devices. There is no magic. All the number theory for calculating was done more than 50 years ago.
I suggest that before you jump into this sort of discussion you do some research. This is not a new idea. There were good reasons for going with binary at the time, but that has become entrenched. It should not be set in stone. There are other labs working in this area. The only reason this is on HAD is that it is intended to be an Open Source project.
13
how did she know i had the number 37
How I got it. Started with one. Naa, too easy ... three excellent! Next odd, five ... naa too easy ... seven! And walla, 37! LOL🤣
She’s using logisim, lol
IOTA!
like!
its a trap!
Im het because of a roblox game
"There's no real reason for ..." - ahaha, I guess there is. Lemme guess: it's error prone, difficult to build and difficult to understand.
Give it time, we'll figure it out eventually
@@markvalkrin3128 "eventually" is already over. ternary computers have already been built. if they haven't been sent to the dump, most likely they are in a museum somewhere in Moscow.
@@menyasavut3959 yeah we'll see about that
@@markvalkrin3128 can you see about that in the Виртуальный Компьютерный Музей, www.computer-museum.ru/histussr/12.htm.
The thing was called "Setun" - look for "Сетун" and"Сетун 70".
You are welcome - don't forget your virtual feather duster.
@@menyasavut3959I know all about the Russian ternary computers. www.extremetech.com/computing/295424-back-off-binary-samsung-backed-researchers-debut-ternary-semiconductor
There you go
Binary computers are simply better, because the computer has to use only 2 characters and binary is a simpler algorithm. IT IS NOT EFFICIENT to use ternary.
I agree that binary is a simpler. But don’t understand how is that lead to “IT IS NOT EFFICIENT to use ternary” (just curious)
why it is not efficent?
A severly underclocked 32 trit computer would still be over 10^15 times as powerful and fast as current modern day computers. How is that ineffecient
Binary + or 0 signal.
Ternary +, 0 or - signal.
Transitors already are capable of inverting signal, the complexity of the build is mostly there already.
Binary, requires at minimum one extra digit to represent negative notations, and requires steps to determine if providing a subtracting, or adding operation.
Ternary is balanced, it includes negative numbers natively, and has no subtraction just negative numbers being added to positive.
Ternary represents more characters per power, allowing larger numbers for the same complexity on the chip.
Ternary is more efficient, and utilizes only represtations that the computer *already* has access too
@@temi19How?😊