I lived in Shanghai between 2009-2013 and then again between 2016-2017. This video forgets to mention that the decline in expat culture already started to decline long before Covid. As a foreigner who witnessed Shanghai life both before and after Xi Jinping, things definitely started to change after 2013. It became much more nationalistic and you’d slowly start seeing major streets being redeveloped so that restaurants and bars owned by foreigners or with a Western theme would shut down. Entire areas changed. Entire bar streets were closed and were instead relocated to confined spaces like the underground Laowai Park. It became more and more obvious that the government didn’t want foreigners to mingle too much with Chinese. So I left. I miss the old days in Shanghai that the Italian chef in the video was talking about, he’s not lying - 15 years ago you could go downtown and in some areas it would be like 50% Chinese and 50% foreigners. It was wonderful!
Yes. We were there from 2007 to 2012 and saw the same thing. When we first got to Shanghai, there were lots of Philippinos in the service industry and lots of foreigners. In some areas, all you saw were foreigners. But it started to shift. Visas were cancelled for Philippinos and slowly the country started to close. By 2012 we were seeing the changes.
Xi was expected to be low profile and not make waves by both factions of the ccp. Instead the arrogant man made more bold threats to its neighbors and the world. In my life china has never been more hated by the world. Their indifference has turned to hatred or wariness. Good job Xi!
@@joselopez-he1mc I used to think China was the coolest place ever and wanted to go there and visit it so badly. Now I just feel terrible for the Chinese people. It's been astounding to see how terrible Xi has been for all the forward movement in China-- he's been terrible for the CCP as well.
I've lived in Shanghai on and off for the past 16 years and a lot has changed in that time. The xenophobia and nationalism weren't a problem when I first came, it's off the charts now. And it started way before the pandemic. The party's propaganda did a great job in destroying what once was an international hub.
The fees of international schools in China are a complex issue that involves multiple factors, including education resources, teaching quality, school facilities, and location. The high fees you mentioned may be due to the fact that these schools provide premium educational services and facilities that meet the needs of students for diversified and high-quality education. However, whether these fees are "justifiable" is subjective and depends on individual perspectives and values. Some parents may consider it a worthy investment for their children's education, while others may believe that such fees are too expensive. It is important to note that not all international schools in China charge such high fees, and the cost of education varies from school to school. Additionally, the cost of education is just one aspect of considering a school, and it should not be the only factor in making decisions about a child's education. Ultimately, parents need to weigh various factors, including their family's financial situation, educational goals for their children, and the school's educational philosophy and program, to make informed decisions about their children's education. If parents find the fees of a particular international school unaffordable, they can consider other educational options, such as public or private schools, or seek financial aid or scholarship opportunities.
I’ve been living in Shanghai as an expat for over 10 years. Describing 2020 to 2023 as hell is an understatement, it was jst absolutely dreadful. Every expat who lived through those years carries the scars of that nightmare, and with the subsequent economic downturn, hope for Shanghai and the charm has long faded . What used to be a place where families would move together has now become a city where the vast majority of expats live alone, sent here on assignments. In a city of 25 million, having only estimate of 100,000 foreigners doesn’t quite fit the image of an international city. Moreover, a significant number of those foreigners are of Chinese descent like a reporter of the show. I don’t know if Shanghai’s golden days will ever return, but I’m certain it won’t happen in the near future.
@@happymelon7129 "Foreign Expat lost compete , replaced by local". That is a misunderstanding of what it means to live in a different country. It's not a competition where foreigners can only survive if they win. There is always room for lots of different people in an international city, as long as that city continues to prosper. If there are opportunities, people will come. The real problem is that China's and Shanghai's economy is slowing down, both for foreigners and for locals.
In the past, most foreigners in Shanghai, China, were English teachers. Almost anyone who speaks a little English can become an English language teacher. When China started to regulate the market by allowing only native speakers, many had no choice but to leave. A lot of them went to Vietnam and Thailand. For the professional expatriate population, Shanghai is becoming more expensive, particularly regarding healthcare and education! Some employers include family healthcare and school fees in their payment plans/salaries, while others pay out of their own pockets. As an entrepreneur, I need to cover everything myself! The school fees and health insurance for my two kids alone cost about $75,000 SGD. Before coming to China, I lived in Singapore, and I totally disagree with people labeling Singapore as the most expensive city. If you want to maintain a decent lifestyle, Shanghai, China, will cost you much more than Singapore.
The English teaching thing happend years ago and in fact it isn't enforced by nobody There are Russians teaching English all over china bit especially the south. SH used to have the highest quality of expats to an extent Meaning people with real jobs not jobs for being a foreigner . China is cheap to live but I do understand that if you have a family giving birth in China (which I have no idea why would anyone choose to do that ) and sending your kids to private school is going to be very expensive
Since I first lived in Shanghai (from 1998-2006) China has become more and more hostile to outsiders, and I dont just mean the West. I left when It became clear that I was being used as a 'white monkey' after being used to promote new developments on Hangzhou, I could tell that locals interests were being ridden over by local government, so I started writing about it in a local journal/blog. I was arrested and questioned, and one of my friends (a Chinese national), disappeared altogether after being arrested. And this was in the time when China was considered quite liberal and safe for activists. It got much worse after 2013. The CCP have demonised the west and adopted an anti-West policy, and also got louder and louder about invading Taiwan, its put everyone off wanting to invest. And now even the middle class dont want to live there anymore since the CCP clamped down on capital flight. You know your country isnt going anywhere when your government wont even let you access your own money !
I'm sure you were arrested for some particular reason, and i dont mean you deserved it or not. yeah, i think there is stage it was quite liberal and open for anyones, but there is also a balance or a guideline in between. if you look at it from a higher perspective, the western were also putting lots of pressure on the Chinese government. Talking about taiwan, it's part of China, there is no denying about it. your perception of the Chinese reaction while ignoring the arms exports from US is simply one eye shut. Last but not least, capital flight is already a negative words, why not comply with foreign exchange regulations？so everything is connected with cause and effect.
This piece was a lot more optimistic and upbeat than I expected. But, that also makes it a bit more suspect, ie, the sources of information may have been chosen to portray that angle. One thing seems clear - there are many fewer expats and long-term residents from overseas and they will not come back anywhere close to pre-pandemic levels. Domestic migrants from within China might be a source of people, but it means that in any case, future Shanghai will be noticeably different from its past.
I recall a crackdown on uncertified English teachers in Shanghai few years ago (I think it's heavily started in 2018). Before this, many foreigners could easily secure English teaching jobs while on student visas, particularly those with "European looks," regardless of their thick Russian/French/other accents, or even their actual English proficiency. However, not all of them are leaving China. Some may find new teaching opportunities in second-tier cities, often by obtaining another student visa through enrollment in Chinese language programs at local universities. So, yeah, that happened.
I knew some Ukrainians were teaching English in China even though their English proficiency was questionable but their European looks made the tuition centers attractive to Chinese parents who somehow assumed all white people were from America and Britain unless they were told the otherwise, lol.
Nice point. I'm an English teacher in another country in Asia. By the way, in the UK "thick" usually means 'dumb'. A common collocate with "accent" in Britain is "strong". My American friend used "thick accent" the other day, so this was on my mind. OK, back to reality. Cheers.
@@dac545jAs an American who lived in London, we still are two culturals sepearated by language. ;-) I remembered calling a British friend "clever" and thinking it was a compliment.
yep, cause all those skills now Chinese young talents has mastered! most of gen z speaks English very fluently as well and many Chinese who go abroad come back to the country to work so yeah, the good old days of expats in China is gone, but still Caucasians are still winner in china.
@@JingJaothat has always been the case . Teaching jobs in china are still much much more lucrative than Vietnam or any other country Including when taking into account expenses (For singles)
As a Vietnamese 🇻🇳 student, I've observed that things have changed rapidly after covid pandemic. Our economic capital, Saigon, is opposite direction of 🇨🇳 China's economic capital, Shanghai! We are seeing more foreign tourists & expatriates than before working in our cities.
Same think in other places expats used to get high pay for less work. Now competition from local talent is reducing these benefits and jobs go to locals . So they leave to better paying places
China has recently doubled down on its western "influencer" driven propaganda, with many small to medium YT channel and the like making content from trip to China. I wonder how many of those trips are self-funded and how many are "facilitated" by Chinese authorities. I, for one, cannot understand praising China when its people are living under such an oppressive system. I understand the pride Chinese people have in their country, but should we assume that they have non in there own persons?
As Shanghai navigates the challenges of losing its expat population, it’s a reminder of the importance of community and resilience. 🇸🇬 Here in Singapore, supporting our local small businesses helps us stay strong as a vibrant global hub. From cozy cafes to family-run shops, every dollar spent on homegrown brands contributes to a thriving and united community. Let’s come together to back local and keep Singapore shining on the international stage! 🙌✨
Shanghai now is just a giant village.... sorry to say, what used to be a glorious international mecca of fashion, dining, entertainment, business and economy, now is roughly a place we remember from long time ago.... Before Covid, every time I would travel to Shanghai, I felt excitement... now my company is arranging a personal retreat to Shanghai, and I skip it... what a sad sad place it became
A German acquaintance of mine has recently left China and, with his Chinese wife, has returned to Germany. The reason he gave is that finding a well-paid job is difficult owing to the trend of Chinese companies preferring to hire cheaper Chinese nationals. He´s also afraid that China may invade a certain island beginning with T. Moreover, he feels that there is less tolerance of foreigners by the CCP and the population at large.
@@chenchina4577if there is any claim of being a nation, it is that the government there is the rightful representative of the Republic of China….Taiwan is the name of the island province
Another contributing factor is that many expat perks/Benes suddenly became taxable by the Chinese government. Something not mentioned in this report is the government forcibly seizing assets of foreign companies physically based in China. This caused many foreign companies to withdraw all their expats and operations into countries with more favorable business conditions. How do I know? I was an expat in SH.
Did an internship in Shanghai in 2013. Just wooow as the guy in the video I am getting goosebumps thinking about these amazing times. These were the golden years apparently in Shanghai. Haven’t seen such an energy, dynamism and optimism ever again in any place in the world and I have seen many places and lived in many. Also the nightlife around this time was world class - so many amazing, fun places to go at night and very special vibes. Living in Bangkok for a long time and absolutely love Bangkok and Thailand but still often thinking of these magical times in Shanghai ❤
AS an American who only speaks English, it's fascinating listening to the Dutch speak, even when they're speaking English. Dutch is such an odd blend of English and German.
There are fewer expats in Kuala Lumpur in 2024 vs 2019 as well. But there are more expats in 2024 vs 2023. Working from home show that a lot of expats are working from home ….instead of heading to the Asian cities.
Shanghai's downtown population was never half foreigner as that Italian chef suggests. It is also not true to point to COVID as the main issue. The peak of the expat population in Shanghai was 2013. It decreased after for a variety of reasons such as the cost of international education and also the rise of Singapore as a regional hub coupled with the realization that China needed more country specific strategies. You also have had an incredible development in Chinese talent that makes foreign talent less needed. Anyway I have lived here a long time and there is still an international feel and quite a few of us and people have come back. Demographics have changed and there are less Europeans and AMericans and far more Asians and people from the middle East, Africa, South America etc. But China changing is not new...
If you are in F&B probably it was 50/50 in the Western bars, restaurants, most Chinese of that 25 million that live there don’t have the money or the urge to waste money in Western restaurants and bars.
Visited for 10 days in 2012 to run a large international conference. Was treated very well and was hopeful that China would become a respected nation. Unfortunately, we are at war the CCP now because of Hong Kong, Taiwan, and trade surpluses.
I used to go to Shanghai, 2008 to 2009. Even though I live in New York, full of cars and buses, the air pollution in Shanghai, apparently from burning dirty coal nearby, was unbearable. After 3 or 4 days, my eyes would burn from the acid air. The city was so beautiful, especially the Bund, it was such a shame the air was like death. Never went back.
*Apparently you never know we can check something called the Air Quality Index (AQI) worldwide and in the real time (hint: New York and especially LA is not on par with Shanghai for last two years already) the world have internet it's harder for you guys self promoted propaganda chiefs*
Same same here! The air pollution made me so sick and the Chinese don’t even understand what pollution is or how it affects their health! It was so alarming
@ I remember when the communists ran East Germany (until the Berlin Wall came down), they did the same thing. In some cities you almost never saw the sun, not from weather crowds, but from smog from smokestacks. I’m sure if the Chinese Communist Party fell, the skies would clear. Look at Chinese Taiwan.
China does not need more growth. It needs more consumer consumption. It must decrease its trade surpluses. It needs to cut military spending and join peaceful nations.
Shanghai is long gone as an international city, perhaps government policies, COVID and crazy real estate prices killed it, the good times won’t be back anytime soon…and Hong Kong is becoming the same
21:54 'from the young people'... Does he mean the ones who can't afford to secure decent accommodation in Shanghai, where prices soared? Could be interesting to see, after this video on the situation in Shanghai, how other cities are doing, regarding attracting foreigners. I have the feeling some are doing good (Chengdu...).
Just ‘scratching the surface’ and dated reporting. Like someone commented it’s 2025, you can’t use covid as the main factor to explain things happening in SG or anywhere else in the world. Many foreign companies are also starting to realise that they are losing market share to Chinese counterparts. Also is the reduction in number of expats specific to Shanghai compared to other global cities? SG also experience a drastic drop after covid with rising cost of living and tech layoffs.
As much as COVID is a thing of the past and people are putting it out of sight, you need to understand the economic impact is deeply entrenched and may take lots more time to recover. For a country bent on zero COVID coupled with a slew of Draconian policy, the country can easily take a decade to recover from.
@@dennisl1303 "decades to recover from" i hope you are not talking about China, cus recover from what? They did 5% last year, 1 trillion surplus too, what "recovery" you on about? Foreigners left cus cant compete, their company cant compete, end of story
Things have been in decline since the late 2000’s when the Canton Fair first suffered from a lack of foreign orders! For example shoe manufacturers started to move their operations to Vietnam following an exodus of overseas buyers to South East Asia. Nationalism was on the rise with foreigners suffering cowardly street attacks in once safe expat areas. I left in 2017 after 16 years.
I am only speaking for Canada, but who in North America, or Europe would ever go toChina again after the CCP kidnaped two of our innocent business men, the Michaels we call them, to hold as ransom for another issue they were arguing { Meng Won Jo} about. That just about killed NON asian tourism from our nation.. too bad. Would have LOVED to visit. Not, mind now.. NEVER
As another Singaporean taxpayer, I am pretty proud that CNA put up such a bold production. Imagine saying publicly “to be successful in Shanghai, you need free flow of people, capital and data”. Actually it is pretty boring Singapore style of news making giving “both sides of the story”. Hint count the number of interviewees on either side of the story. So chill out and enjoy Shanghai.
Was there in 2008...felt like I was the only westerner there... but the city gave me a false feeling. Hong Kong was amazing and felt real then...now also that has gone.😢
I honestly don’t know why so many people are mad at CNA and call them “western”. The whole video was spun positively something I wouldn’t have expected. I feel like they gave far too much credit. Still people cry on how they were harsh. Like what do you want?
The savagery of the lockdown exposed the totalitarian nature of the regime. No wonder those who could left and would never go back. Hong Kong is the same, the city was killed in 2023 by absurd lockdown rules. Now it’s turning into a mainland outpost
Shanghai is almost not China. If anyone like myself who have lived there and traveled in the country, Shanghai is more like Tokyo or NYC. If you are a young single guy, it’s Sin city with unlimited poontang🤪
lol, no. Japan was getting too rich and too powerful so the US forced them to overvalue their currency and fundamentally change how the govt interacted with domestic industry in addition to financializing the economy. The US holds no such power over the Chinese government and has no troops occupying the country. If you want the whole story, see “Princes of the Yen” by Werner.
The less the better for Shanghai city. The ones that have REAL jobs and business have no problem living in the city. Most of full time and part time English teaching jobs for foreigners are gone. And also most of the so called "consultants" and advisors" are gone. Most big cities in US have problem even worse than Shanghai, take NY city as example.
Let’s remember expats is not a color, which is what this seemingly elude to that expats in China are white. There are still decent amount of expats from Korea, Taiwan and HK in Shanghai community.
Are you drunk? Japan, Korea, and China are the most racist countries in the world that don't even make it a secret. Considering Koreans and Japanese anything else than white is absurd
Calling Taiwan and HK foreign countries is a big NoNo in China. This post would be swarmed by Chinese “patriots” calling for apologies if on Chinese social media😂
Absolutely no mention of the CCP's role in these seismic shifts in Shanghai's fortunes over the last 5 years. Talk about ignoring the elephant in the room...
Shanghai welcomes talents. If you are a high-tech talent, your annual income in Shanghai can reach one million US dollars. A friend of mine works in biological sciences and has been in Shanghai for 5 years. His annual income is between 500,000 --- 700,000 US dollars. He has already settled there. The key is that he is still very young.
are you serious?one million us dollars earned means you have to pay a taxation of 45 percentage what you have earn,so your salary must be 2 million dollars,which is 14 million yuan
High educated western expats refuse to go to Shanghai especially with kids. Even with a big expat package . Thats why most international companies are moving to Singapore.
@@rayacerway this false claims come from chinese wumao... or chinese 50 cent army... lol... China is in an economic turmoil and there is now way but down to their country now.
Even if foreigners will shrink that wouldn't make shanghai unsustainable. Leave them alone domestic market can sustain them anyway. And by far i could say i was there recently and they are doing well and fine.
You're assuming the domestic market is big enough to absorb a nearly modern Earth's worth of production capacity. Chinese consumers aren't that rich (particularly after mortgages), nor are they getting any more youthful and optimistic.
@@doujinflipYou are off the topic. No matter how bad or good China's economy is, it doesn't depend on the foreign expats which are no more than 1 million, considering Shanghai alone already has 30m population.
Chinese property sector, which accounts for 30% of GDP, is crashing. - Exports and imports, accounting for 37% GDP, are down. - Foreign investment (FDI) is falling over 90%, lowest in 3 decades. - Foreign visitors are down 96% compared to the 2019 pre-pandemic level. - Consumer prices are experiencing deflation. - Youth unemployment hits over 21%, a record. - Its fast-shrinking workforce is 10 years older than neighboring countries. *Still, China keeps reporting outrageous GDP numbers.* Lol Where does the growth come from?
@ArabicReja973 Anda bisa mengambil kesimpulan tersebut karena otak anda sudah tercuci oleh propaganda media barat. Hanya sektor properti yang mengalami penurunan, dimana sektor lain seperti sektor industri tumbuh 5,8%, dimana didorong oleh manufaktur berteknologi tinggi yang tumbuh sebesar 9,1% Sektor jasa juga mengalami pemulihan yang kuat, dengan peningkatan sebesar 4,7%, khususnya di bidang teknologi informasi dan layanan bisnis. Dan ekspor import naik 5,3%, dimana eskpor sendiri tumbuh sebesar 6,2%. Sehingga jelas argumen anda adalah argumen sampah yang sangat tipikal untuk korban cuci otak dari propaganda media barat.
It’s really interesting to see how things have changed over the years. China’s getting to a point where they don’t need foreign talent anymore since they’re becoming leaders in so many industries
There are people who ask when China is grabbing Taiwan. 🤣How can you grab something that is already your own? But then lots of ignoramuses probably don't know the history. They don't know that the US signed three joint communiques in the 1970s recognising the One China principle. To quote verbatim : "The United States' One-China policy was first stated in the Shanghai Communiqué of 1972: "the United States acknowledges that Chinese on either side of the Taiwan Strait maintain there is but one China and that Taiwan is a part of China."
They still need foreign capital though, that hasn't changed. It's only getting harder as China's foreigner population shifts towards poorer countries who are aiming to become industrial competition themselves, while Chinese nationals continue attempting to permanently expatriate their wealth and their families.
Sorry , 25 million people and there were only 200,000 foreigners in 2018? Thats not a lot. This makes shanghai near the bottom of foreigners for a major city
Shanghai was a small fishing village until the British arrived in 1845. They built it into a trading city and ran it until the Japanese invaded in late 1941. The British gave it the “international” feel, and allowed the French, USA etc to set up in the city.
*🤭 This just proved (a saying I heard somewhere before) it goes something like if your skin are thick enough, if you are not embarassed enough by what you are saying the embarassed is the listeners*
Rome is a small villiage before Chinese arrived. Chinese taught them about Silk and tea, and showed them paint, art and procelain. Finally allowed them to trade on Silk trade, which greatly increased Rome reginal influences over other power and the ability to connect to Middle Eastern powers and India.
There was a time when I missed walking up and down Nanjing Road or on The Bund. No more. A natural part of teaching English is to introduce the students to the culture of the English speaking world and with that having become illegal...
It is because of the mass “cognitive operations” the us military and cia carry out around the world. They subvert and poison information space so if a country wants to remain independent, they have to protect their information space. Read up on NED and places like Ukraine, Lebanon, Georgia(the country), Tianimen Square, Soros, Facebook and the “Arab Spring”, etc etc etc
I have been resident in Shanghai over 21 years - its very different now many business's really struggle, cash flow, there is definitely less ex-pats I see this in the international hospitals, people have money (locals) but are not sure of the future and reduce spending mainly eating out and house prices have reduced, its still a great city to work and live in
Local expertise has been developed which reduces reliance on and demand for imported talent. Local brands have improved and taken market share from foreign brands reducing revenues for foreign brands. That phenomenon is most stark in the car market with legacy German brands taking big losses as the Chinese market moves to local EVs. This is China progressing into a new phase. Just like Singapore, they imported foreign talent and capital to build their own industrial bases and capabilities and now they're taking the baton themselves as they have the confidence to continue without the need for foreign talent.
Form cannot replace substance. If the substance (open culture, friendly people and civic) then after any crisis, people all over the world will miss it and will want to return to experience their happy memories.
My first day in Shanghai I got a fine from the police for riding back a bike on the sidewalk; something that is legal in Guangzhou. The policeman, spoke English well, just ignored my explanation in Chinese.
It amazing seeing how much hate there is for this clip when it seem to present the facts without major biases. The fact the expat community is decreasing is not necessarily a negative terminal event. These things ebb and flow
Movement of people and ideas indicates vibrancy. If foreigners aren't making the effort to visit or move in, this means stagnation if not a downward trend. This is politically mortal to a ruling Party who has no other real promise to fulfill than upward mobility.
@ one third of Shanghai population is from other parts of China. There’s movement. Employing more locals is just logical from an economic and social pov. Speaking of expat communities, Singapore has a vibrant one but what about South Korea or Japan? Genuinely asking cos before this I wouldn’t have thought Shanghai expat community was that big
Global supply chains are slowing as countries adopt a more self-sufficient, “country-first” approach to production. This shift reduces reliance on nations like China, Vietnam, and India while fostering tighter control over waste, pollution, and recycling. By producing domestically, countries can cut emissions from long-distance transportation and implement cleaner, more sustainable practices. This “country-mode” focus also reduces vulnerabilities in global trade disruptions and enhances economic resilience. Overdependence on global supply chains has not only fueled environmental damage but also worsened waste management challenges. Local production provides an opportunity for nations to innovate, reduce their carbon footprint, and take direct action against climate change.
China is making changes to its economic downturn. It’s levelling out now. China still has 600 million people in the rural areas, with this big of a population it has massive amounts of possible growth. 1 trillion in exports in 2024, they make stuff for the world to buy. Remember that China is still a developing country and it has achieved spectacular success over the last 40 years. Don’t underestimate the resilience these people have. They very quietly took over manufacturing and the whole world had no clue. Everyone thought it was a polluted, dirty backwards place full of uneducated people and it’s completely the opposite of what the Western propaganda fed you. You all believed it and now they’re eating our lunch. Lol
"Everyone thought it was a polluted, dirty backwards place full of uneducated people and it’s completely the opposite" Clearly you've never been to China.
actually China can not count any more on fast urbanization and supply of cheap labour from rural areas, those are depleted. Also it can not continue to grow fast with cheap manufacturing products, its super export oriented model reached high point but without structural changes it will not be able to keep that speed since its economy now is way too large to be sustained with the same model. The level of the game is increased and things are more complex - now ALL world has its focus on China and has clue what they are doing, its industry and manufacturing is so large it is global problem now so there will be no fast and easy tickets anymore.
There will always be expats and expats come and go all the time for various reasons. Expats just need to find a niche they can fit into in this ever evolving large country. Benefits have already shrunk long time ago because the value that a foreigner can bring to the country has shrunk as China developed their own talents over time.
Foreign corporations are losing market share in China, as the domestic companies greatly improved. Also, the domestic workforce has greatly improved in skills, so less expats needed to fill the gaps. Increases in Chinese incomes also mean that it gets more expensive for the foreigners, China isn't so cheap anymore. These are very positive trends for China, it is becoming less dependent upon external talent. China is also getting a lot more students studying abroad returning, who have both foreign language skills and cultural knowledge.
China doesn't them, because most of the expat are unskilled labor. Most of the contribution to china's development are made by chinese engineers that studied or worked abroad and brought the skills home.
Free movement of people, capital and data. None of that exists in China and is, in fact, only getting worse. It is harder for foreign business to establish Chinese operations due to restrictive data laws. Also, foreign businesses are rightly spooked by what happened in Russia (having to pull out almost overnight) and know the same may happen in China at any moment should they invade Taiwan or due to mass human rights violation (a la 1989). China has not fully abandoned its worst behaviours from its wolf warrior diplomacy such as intimidating foreign governments (most notably the Philippines and Australia) and hostage diplomacy (Canada). I've been to Shanghai a number of times and it is an amazing place but as long as XJP and the CCP continue on that path, it will never achieve its place along side great global cities like New York, London, Paris and Tokyo.
What this means is that the Chinese have become more selective with the quality of the people they want. Especially in education now that they are better able to differentiate. Are foreign teachers considered "expat"?
Sounds correct to me. How some sub-per teachers could expect brighter future in the English teaching market in China when youngsters can learn English through online or even with their smartphone apps...
What's your point? Are we not allowed to discuss news coverage? I said who cares about *this specific story*. I do care that CNA insider editors are wasting the time of their reporters by assigning low priority stories like this. That is the point.
@@user-km2bz8iy5o, you’re sounding like a moron now. One moment you said “who cares”. Next comment you said “you care”. Enough said. Never argue/debate with idiots, cos they will bring you down to their level of stupidity and beat you with experience 😂
Why is it any concerns of CNA to show foreigners are leaving China? Foreigners come and go as they wish. Shanghai, China would not collapse just because of foreigners leaving. They are not here to safe China. China have always saved themselves through the centenaries without the help of foreigners. China have never been dependent on foreigners for survival. On jobs, locals are now better qualified to fill the jobs.
the reporter has more tendency about after covid , probably he got limited knowledge about economy?? The Profesor explained very well the overall impact of the situation. Comparing to other cosmopolitan cities, such as NYC, Tokyo, London, Paris etc, Shanghai still much better place in term of economic.
Covid wasn’t that long ago and yes it made people move. Didn’t Elon move to Texas from California becos of restrictions. Lots of victorians from Australia moved to Queensland for that same reason. If a documentary needs to be done about Victorian population levels it will have to mention Covid
China today is undergoing what sounds like multiple respiratory epidemics there, and we're very aware of how an airborne illness centered around China turned out last time.
Gaslighting much? Don't like to talk about the massive human rights violation that was the totally failed and inhumane zero covid policy by CCP ??? I was there and I will talk about it for the rest of my life. I have the photos too. True colors came out during covid in China.
A comment about safety. I'm from the US and spent about two weeks around Shanghai and Nanjing in 2014. While I felt safe in the sense that nobody was going to rob or attack me, it did feel like people were constantly trying to scam me, especially in Shanghai.
China has rule of law. No more or less than any western country. Please regale me with how the law is so superior in any western countries. Stop spouting nonsense.
immigrants is when you move to a country and expect to live/work permanently. expats is when you move to a country knowing full well its only for a few short months or years.
@@jong9379 stop fooling yourself, that is the explanation of those elitist that want to over explain that they are not racist, in this case is clearly different because they say expats moving out like is something bad, but if that expat explanation was true then is completely normal that they are moving out. There's many westerners living in Shanghai Guangzhou etc that are living in china for 20+years and with their kids born in china and still considering themselves expats.
80 million households in the USA buy more than 10 products from Chinese workers every month, 400 million households in China buy how many products from American workers every month? Is it time to put things in order?
Other than like Myanmar and Laos, not much movement into China either. Plus they'd need to be actively sponsored for their visas, and they're not nearly as profitable to bring in.
When the show started, I was expecting much larger numbers when talking about expat's and the drop in their numbers in Shanghai. An 80k drop wouldn't even register in most parts of the US. I've lived overseas, but I still forget how homogeneous most countries are around the world.
It doesn't mean anything TBH. People come and go for all kinds of reasons. If you have visited many big cities and you will find Shanghai has its own charm.
I lived in Shanghai between 2009-2013 and then again between 2016-2017. This video forgets to mention that the decline in expat culture already started to decline long before Covid. As a foreigner who witnessed Shanghai life both before and after Xi Jinping, things definitely started to change after 2013. It became much more nationalistic and you’d slowly start seeing major streets being redeveloped so that restaurants and bars owned by foreigners or with a Western theme would shut down. Entire areas changed. Entire bar streets were closed and were instead relocated to confined spaces like the underground Laowai Park. It became more and more obvious that the government didn’t want foreigners to mingle too much with Chinese. So I left. I miss the old days in Shanghai that the Italian chef in the video was talking about, he’s not lying - 15 years ago you could go downtown and in some areas it would be like 50% Chinese and 50% foreigners. It was wonderful!
Yes. We were there from 2007 to 2012 and saw the same thing. When we first got to Shanghai, there were lots of Philippinos in the service industry and lots of foreigners. In some areas, all you saw were foreigners. But it started to shift. Visas were cancelled for Philippinos and slowly the country started to close. By 2012 we were seeing the changes.
they're leaving that out on purpose
China’s old time is over!
Xi was expected to be low profile and not make waves by both factions of the ccp. Instead the arrogant man made more bold threats to its neighbors and the world. In my life china has never been more hated by the world. Their indifference has turned to hatred or wariness. Good job Xi!
@@joselopez-he1mc I used to think China was the coolest place ever and wanted to go there and visit it so badly. Now I just feel terrible for the Chinese people. It's been astounding to see how terrible Xi has been for all the forward movement in China-- he's been terrible for the CCP as well.
I've lived in Shanghai on and off for the past 16 years and a lot has changed in that time. The xenophobia and nationalism weren't a problem when I first came, it's off the charts now. And it started way before the pandemic. The party's propaganda did a great job in destroying what once was an international hub.
I totally agree. I travel to Shanghai often and nationality lines are always obvious
International school fees in China are unjustifiable. 2 kids will cost nearly $100,000 USD. Insane.
For high fliers, it's part of the package
And they are own by foreigners anyway
The fees of international schools in China are a complex issue that involves multiple factors, including education resources, teaching quality, school facilities, and location. The high fees you mentioned may be due to the fact that these schools provide premium educational services and facilities that meet the needs of students for diversified and high-quality education.
However, whether these fees are "justifiable" is subjective and depends on individual perspectives and values. Some parents may consider it a worthy investment for their children's education, while others may believe that such fees are too expensive.
It is important to note that not all international schools in China charge such high fees, and the cost of education varies from school to school. Additionally, the cost of education is just one aspect of considering a school, and it should not be the only factor in making decisions about a child's education.
Ultimately, parents need to weigh various factors, including their family's financial situation, educational goals for their children, and the school's educational philosophy and program, to make informed decisions about their children's education. If parents find the fees of a particular international school unaffordable, they can consider other educational options, such as public or private schools, or seek financial aid or scholarship opportunities.
So long they get enough enrollment to keep it operating, which means there are enough people willing to pay, it's justifiable.
thank goodness wumao bots now have chatgpt to help them write
I’ve been living in Shanghai as an expat for over 10 years. Describing 2020 to 2023 as hell is an understatement, it was jst absolutely dreadful. Every expat who lived through those years carries the scars of that nightmare, and with the subsequent economic downturn, hope for Shanghai and the charm has long faded .
What used to be a place where families would move together has now become a city where the vast majority of expats live alone, sent here on assignments. In a city of 25 million, having only estimate of 100,000 foreigners doesn’t quite fit the image of an international city. Moreover, a significant number of those foreigners are of Chinese descent like a reporter of the show.
I don’t know if Shanghai’s golden days will ever return, but I’m certain it won’t happen in the near future.
That’s why we Shanghainese are leaving the city after experiencing 2022.
disagree. 2020-2021 was great. 2022 lockdown for two months wasn't great. aside from that, the 4 years was way better than places like Canada
@@changjerI’m living Canada from 2023, quite a good place for living.
After talk so much, 🤣Why this CH don't tell The truth ?
Foreign Expat lost compete , replaced by local.
-- expat in China since 1998
@@happymelon7129 "Foreign Expat lost compete , replaced by local". That is a misunderstanding of what it means to live in a different country. It's not a competition where foreigners can only survive if they win. There is always room for lots of different people in an international city, as long as that city continues to prosper. If there are opportunities, people will come. The real problem is that China's and Shanghai's economy is slowing down, both for foreigners and for locals.
In the past, most foreigners in Shanghai, China, were English teachers. Almost anyone who speaks a little English can become an English language teacher. When China started to regulate the market by allowing only native speakers, many had no choice but to leave. A lot of them went to Vietnam and Thailand. For the professional expatriate population, Shanghai is becoming more expensive, particularly regarding healthcare and education! Some employers include family healthcare and school fees in their payment plans/salaries, while others pay out of their own pockets. As an entrepreneur, I need to cover everything myself! The school fees and health insurance for my two kids alone cost about $75,000 SGD. Before coming to China, I lived in Singapore, and I totally disagree with people labeling Singapore as the most expensive city. If you want to maintain a decent lifestyle, Shanghai, China, will cost you much more than Singapore.
when the foreigners are banned to teach english in china?
The English teaching thing happend years ago and in fact it isn't enforced by nobody
There are Russians teaching English all over china bit especially the south. SH used to have the highest quality of expats to an extent
Meaning people with real jobs not jobs for being a foreigner .
China is cheap to live but I do understand that if you have a family giving birth in China (which I have no idea why would anyone choose to do that ) and sending your kids to private school is going to be very expensive
mexico city the new Shanghai ...
@@mguendumiguel9523 Bangkok is the new Shanghai!
Go back there
Since I first lived in Shanghai (from 1998-2006) China has become more and more hostile to outsiders, and I dont just mean the West. I left when It became clear that I was being used as a 'white monkey' after being used to promote new developments on Hangzhou, I could tell that locals interests were being ridden over by local government, so I started writing about it in a local journal/blog. I was arrested and questioned, and one of my friends (a Chinese national), disappeared altogether after being arrested. And this was in the time when China was considered quite liberal and safe for activists. It got much worse after 2013. The CCP have demonised the west and adopted an anti-West policy, and also got louder and louder about invading Taiwan, its put everyone off wanting to invest. And now even the middle class dont want to live there anymore since the CCP clamped down on capital flight. You know your country isnt going anywhere when your government wont even let you access your own money !
Could you tell us more about when you got arrested? Did they come knocking on your apartment door?
I'm sure you were arrested for some particular reason, and i dont mean you deserved it or not. yeah, i think there is stage it was quite liberal and open for anyones, but there is also a balance or a guideline in between. if you look at it from a higher perspective, the western were also putting lots of pressure on the Chinese government. Talking about taiwan, it's part of China, there is no denying about it. your perception of the Chinese reaction while ignoring the arms exports from US is simply one eye shut. Last but not least, capital flight is already a negative words, why not comply with foreign exchange regulations？so everything is connected with cause and effect.
@@LCMiuMiulol Chinese nationalist propaganda bot
@@MrNixity boring, you sounds like a type recorder, so so pathetic dude 🤡😭
@@MrNixity bot calling others bot🤣🤣🤣
This piece was a lot more optimistic and upbeat than I expected.
But, that also makes it a bit more suspect, ie, the sources of information may have been chosen to portray that angle. One thing seems clear - there are many fewer expats and long-term residents from overseas and they will not come back anywhere close to pre-pandemic levels. Domestic migrants from within China might be a source of people, but it means that in any case, future Shanghai will be noticeably different from its past.
I recall a crackdown on uncertified English teachers in Shanghai few years ago (I think it's heavily started in 2018). Before this, many foreigners could easily secure English teaching jobs while on student visas, particularly those with "European looks," regardless of their thick Russian/French/other accents, or even their actual English proficiency. However, not all of them are leaving China. Some may find new teaching opportunities in second-tier cities, often by obtaining another student visa through enrollment in Chinese language programs at local universities. So, yeah, that happened.
I knew some Ukrainians were teaching English in China even though their English proficiency was questionable but their European looks made the tuition centers attractive to Chinese parents who somehow assumed all white people were from America and Britain unless they were told the otherwise, lol.
Nice point. I'm an English teacher in another country in Asia. By the way, in the UK "thick" usually means 'dumb'. A common collocate with "accent" in Britain is "strong". My American friend used "thick accent" the other day, so this was on my mind. OK, back to reality. Cheers.
@@dac545jAs an American who lived in London, we still are two culturals sepearated by language. ;-) I remembered calling a British friend "clever" and thinking it was a compliment.
@@brianmccormack6575 The mistake you made was complimenting them in the first place.
Foreigners used to earn cheap money in china. This time is gone
yeah china is too expensive. also it's hard to get a job in non-teaching jobs. especially if you want to go to manufacturing, retail, etc.
yep, cause all those skills now Chinese young talents has mastered! most of gen z speaks English very fluently as well and many Chinese who go abroad come back to the country to work so yeah, the good old days of expats in China is gone, but still Caucasians are still winner in china.
@@jadenkarim5367 you're living in the past. a cheap version too.
@@JingJaothat has always been the case .
Teaching jobs in china are still much much more lucrative than Vietnam or any other country
Including when taking into account expenses
(For singles)
@@jadenkarim5367😂 gen z speak English fluently is the biggest joke I've heard
As a Vietnamese 🇻🇳 student, I've observed that things have changed rapidly after covid pandemic. Our economic capital, Saigon, is opposite direction of 🇨🇳 China's economic capital, Shanghai! We are seeing more foreign tourists & expatriates than before working in our cities.
@@vietnamesebeauties nice to hear , heading there next month
Expats come and go, what's the big deal?
@@hermesliteratus882Kuch.. troll account kuch
Vietnam is getting more and more corrupted I heard…
Vietnam is booming! Lovely country with some of the friendliest people. South East Asia is truly a special place 💖
Same think in other places expats used to get high pay for less work. Now competition from local talent is reducing these benefits and jobs go to locals . So they leave to better paying places
Govt started cracking down on expat english teachers & causing other issues for expats before covid during the hong kong protesrs
They must be expelled if they carry out the sabotage activities of the color revolution led by the United States.
$1.6 billion propaganda pie
Trump has cut the 1.6 B funding on anti-China organizations.
China has recently doubled down on its western "influencer" driven propaganda, with many small to medium YT channel and the like making content from trip to China. I wonder how many of those trips are self-funded and how many are "facilitated" by Chinese authorities. I, for one, cannot understand praising China when its people are living under such an oppressive system. I understand the pride Chinese people have in their country, but should we assume that they have non in there own persons?
As Shanghai navigates the challenges of losing its expat population, it’s a reminder of the importance of community and resilience. 🇸🇬 Here in Singapore, supporting our local small businesses helps us stay strong as a vibrant global hub. From cozy cafes to family-run shops, every dollar spent on homegrown brands contributes to a thriving and united community. Let’s come together to back local and keep Singapore shining on the international stage! 🙌✨
Yes
新加坡什么时候成为全球中心了😅
You running for the upcoming elections?
@@Dantheman8222
He is a responsible citizen, a cititzen of now and future. Apathetic citizens are relic of the past that will not enrich Singapore.
@@郑羽-m4z
Global money laundering like Switzerland...
Shanghai now is just a giant village.... sorry to say, what used to be a glorious international mecca of fashion, dining, entertainment, business and economy, now is roughly a place we remember from long time ago.... Before Covid, every time I would travel to Shanghai, I felt excitement... now my company is arranging a personal retreat to Shanghai, and I skip it... what a sad sad place it became
The city gay dude gross me out every time
I left in 2016. Will never go back.
you learnt it the hard way, I never want to go China in the first place anyway.
A German acquaintance of mine has recently left China and, with his Chinese wife, has returned to Germany. The reason he gave is that finding a well-paid job is difficult owing to the trend of Chinese companies preferring to hire cheaper Chinese nationals. He´s also afraid that China may invade a certain island beginning with T. Moreover, he feels that there is less tolerance of foreigners by the CCP and the population at large.
invade LOL.
A certain island NATION 😉
@@chenchina4577name with T...maybe Tahaa😂
@@chenchina4577if there is any claim of being a nation, it is that the government there is the rightful representative of the Republic of China….Taiwan is the name of the island province
Greenland?
The Fall of Shanghai is Fascinating
What a nice soft spoken reporter lady
Another contributing factor is that many expat perks/Benes suddenly became taxable by the Chinese government. Something not mentioned in this report is the government forcibly seizing assets of foreign companies physically based in China. This caused many foreign companies to withdraw all their expats and operations into countries with more favorable business conditions. How do I know? I was an expat in SH.
Did an internship in Shanghai in 2013. Just wooow as the guy in the video I am getting goosebumps thinking about these amazing times. These were the golden years apparently in Shanghai. Haven’t seen such an energy, dynamism and optimism ever again in any place in the world and I have seen many places and lived in many. Also the nightlife around this time was world class - so many amazing, fun places to go at night and very special vibes. Living in Bangkok for a long time and absolutely love Bangkok and Thailand but still often thinking of these magical times in Shanghai ❤
All over now....
Golden years were waaaay before 2013….
All over now
@@milkbunnies2005-2010
2013 was still part of the golden years. The golden years lasted until 2017 imo
AS an American who only speaks English, it's fascinating listening to the Dutch speak, even when they're speaking English. Dutch is such an odd blend of English and German.
There are fewer expats in Kuala Lumpur in 2024 vs 2019 as well.
But there are more expats in 2024 vs 2023.
Working from home show that a lot of expats are working from home ….instead of heading to the Asian cities.
Lovely to see chef Lasagna here, I eat at bambino almost every other week. Nice small place, authentic Italian food.😋
Shanghai's downtown population was never half foreigner as that Italian chef suggests. It is also not true to point to COVID as the main issue. The peak of the expat population in Shanghai was 2013. It decreased after for a variety of reasons such as the cost of international education and also the rise of Singapore as a regional hub coupled with the realization that China needed more country specific strategies. You also have had an incredible development in Chinese talent that makes foreign talent less needed. Anyway I have lived here a long time and there is still an international feel and quite a few of us and people have come back. Demographics have changed and there are less Europeans and AMericans and far more Asians and people from the middle East, Africa, South America etc. But China changing is not new...
You nailed it.
If you are in F&B probably it was 50/50 in the Western bars, restaurants, most Chinese of that 25 million that live there don’t have the money or the urge to waste money in Western restaurants and bars.
Visited for 10 days in 2012 to run a large international conference. Was treated very well and was hopeful that China would become a respected nation. Unfortunately, we are at war the CCP now because of Hong Kong, Taiwan, and trade surpluses.
I used to go to Shanghai, 2008 to 2009. Even though I live in New York, full of cars and buses, the air pollution in Shanghai, apparently from burning dirty coal nearby, was unbearable.
After 3 or 4 days, my eyes would burn from the acid air. The city was so beautiful, especially the Bund, it was such a shame the air was like death. Never went back.
*Apparently you never know we can check something called the Air Quality Index (AQI) worldwide and in the real time (hint: New York and especially LA is not on par with Shanghai for last two years already) the world have internet it's harder for you guys self promoted propaganda chiefs*
@@barryneild379 And I guess you believe your communist propaganda statistics too. Please...
Same same here! The air pollution made me so sick and the Chinese don’t even understand what pollution is or how it affects their health! It was so alarming
@ I remember when the communists ran East Germany (until the Berlin Wall came down), they did the same thing. In some cities you almost never saw the sun, not from weather crowds, but from smog from smokestacks.
I’m sure if the Chinese Communist Party fell, the skies would clear. Look at Chinese Taiwan.
..that was then but not anymore.Air quality is better than LA !
China does not need more growth. It needs more consumer consumption. It must decrease its trade surpluses. It needs to cut military spending and join peaceful nations.
Not just expats, even Shanghai locals are leaving in huge numbers
Shanghai is long gone as an international city, perhaps government policies, COVID and crazy real estate prices killed it, the good times won’t be back anytime soon…and Hong Kong is becoming the same
21:54 'from the young people'... Does he mean the ones who can't afford to secure decent accommodation in Shanghai, where prices soared?
Could be interesting to see, after this video on the situation in Shanghai, how other cities are doing, regarding attracting foreigners. I have the feeling some are doing good (Chengdu...).
don't think so
Just ‘scratching the surface’ and dated reporting. Like someone commented it’s 2025, you can’t use covid as the main factor to explain things happening in SG or anywhere else in the world. Many foreign companies are also starting to realise that they are losing market share to Chinese counterparts. Also is the reduction in number of expats specific to Shanghai compared to other global cities? SG also experience a drastic drop after covid with rising cost of living and tech layoffs.
As much as COVID is a thing of the past and people are putting it out of sight, you need to understand the economic impact is deeply entrenched and may take lots more time to recover. For a country bent on zero COVID coupled with a slew of Draconian policy, the country can easily take a decade to recover from.
SG experience a drop because of open nepotism and need to “pay” or “provide benefits “ in corporate world
@@dennisl1303 "decades to recover from" i hope you are not talking about China, cus recover from what? They did 5% last year, 1 trillion surplus too, what "recovery" you on about?
Foreigners left cus cant compete, their company cant compete, end of story
Things have been in decline since the late 2000’s when the Canton Fair first suffered from a lack of foreign orders! For example shoe manufacturers started to move their operations to Vietnam following an exodus of overseas buyers to South East Asia. Nationalism was on the rise with foreigners suffering cowardly street attacks in once safe expat areas.
I left in 2017 after 16 years.
I am only speaking for Canada, but who in North America, or Europe would ever go toChina again after the
CCP kidnaped two of our innocent business men, the Michaels we call them, to hold as ransom for another issue they were arguing { Meng Won Jo} about. That just about killed NON asian tourism from our nation.. too bad.
Would have LOVED to visit. Not, mind now.. NEVER
That is because Canada kidnapped the daughter of Huawei
As another Singaporean taxpayer, I am pretty proud that CNA put up such a bold production. Imagine saying publicly “to be successful in Shanghai, you need free flow of people, capital and data”. Actually it is pretty boring Singapore style of news making giving “both sides of the story”. Hint count the number of interviewees on either side of the story. So chill out and enjoy Shanghai.
BBC's and CNN's branch in Asia.
On top of the three elements, I think there is another critical one, confidence in the political system.
@@davidk1415 I would have added a fair and transparent legal system.
'Singaporean taxpayer' is that an oxymoron?
I love the nuance of the word taxpayer as the culture around resident pr ep sp wp is so toxic there.
Was there in 2008...felt like I was the only westerner there... but the city gave me a false feeling. Hong Kong was amazing and felt real then...now also that has gone.😢
I honestly don’t know why so many people are mad at CNA and call them “western”. The whole video was spun positively something I wouldn’t have expected. I feel like they gave far too much credit.
Still people cry on how they were harsh. Like what do you want?
@@annafruhan5031, they want propaganda praising China to the high heavens and touting the CCP as the beacon for the world 😂
They probably dont see the video and or read... just see headline and cilommemt to feel moral😅
It is not this video alone....look at all their commentary news on CNA website
Wumao aren't here to watch videos.
because you are clueless
The savagery of the lockdown exposed the totalitarian nature of the regime. No wonder those who could left and would never go back. Hong Kong is the same, the city was killed in 2023 by absurd lockdown rules. Now it’s turning into a mainland outpost
CNA never talk about the increase in companies relocating away from Singapore?
Shanghai is almost not China. If anyone like myself who have lived there and traveled in the country, Shanghai is more like Tokyo or NYC. If you are a young single guy, it’s Sin city with unlimited poontang🤪
You are witnessing China lost decades in the making...AKA Japan's deflation.
lol, no. Japan was getting too rich and too powerful so the US forced them to overvalue their currency and fundamentally change how the govt interacted with domestic industry in addition to financializing the economy. The US holds no such power over the Chinese government and has no troops occupying the country. If you want the whole story, see “Princes of the Yen” by Werner.
The less the better for Shanghai city. The ones that have REAL jobs and business have no problem living in the city. Most of full time and part time English teaching jobs for foreigners are gone. And also most of the so called "consultants" and advisors" are gone. Most big cities in US have problem even worse than Shanghai, take NY city as example.
Ah, the TikTok migrants are coming to replace those English teachers. Enjoy!
I have to say, that cocktail sounds terrible.
I have been living in Ningbo for over eight years now, the number of foreigners living here has dropped dramatically and shows no sign of recovery
Let’s remember expats is not a color, which is what this seemingly elude to that expats in China are white. There are still decent amount of expats from Korea, Taiwan and HK in Shanghai community.
Taiwanese, Korean and Japanese are leaving as well. HK is part of China how can they count as foreigners? 😂
Are you drunk? Japan, Korea, and China are the most racist countries in the world that don't even make it a secret. Considering Koreans and Japanese anything else than white is absurd
Calling Taiwan and HK foreign countries is a big NoNo in China. This post would be swarmed by Chinese “patriots” calling for apologies if on Chinese social media😂
Absolutely no mention of the CCP's role in these seismic shifts in Shanghai's fortunes over the last 5 years. Talk about ignoring the elephant in the room...
The reporter doesn’t want to spend the rest of his life in prison
Shanghai welcomes talents. If you are a high-tech talent, your annual income in Shanghai can reach one million US dollars. A friend of mine works in biological sciences and has been in Shanghai for 5 years. His annual income is between 500,000 --- 700,000 US dollars. He has already settled there. The key is that he is still very young.
are you serious?one million us dollars earned means you have to pay a taxation of 45 percentage what you have earn,so your salary must be 2 million dollars,which is 14 million yuan
High educated western expats refuse to go to Shanghai especially with kids. Even with a big expat package . Thats why most international companies are moving to Singapore.
@@rayacerway this false claims come from chinese wumao... or chinese 50 cent army... lol... China is in an economic turmoil and there is now way but down to their country now.
@@rayacerway yes,i am serious.The high salaries in Shanghai far exceed your imagination.🙂
* in RMB, which is Monopoly funny money
I left this dump in 2019
Even if foreigners will shrink that wouldn't make shanghai unsustainable. Leave them alone domestic market can sustain them anyway. And by far i could say i was there recently and they are doing well and fine.
You're assuming the domestic market is big enough to absorb a nearly modern Earth's worth of production capacity. Chinese consumers aren't that rich (particularly after mortgages), nor are they getting any more youthful and optimistic.
@@doujinflipYou are off the topic. No matter how bad or good China's economy is, it doesn't depend on the foreign expats which are no more than 1 million, considering Shanghai alone already has 30m population.
Yeah, it will just go back to being how it was in the 70's.
Thanks . Very interesting.
Chinese property sector, which accounts for 30% of GDP, is crashing.
- Exports and imports, accounting for 37% GDP, are down.
- Foreign investment (FDI) is falling over 90%, lowest in 3 decades.
- Foreign visitors are down 96% compared to the 2019 pre-pandemic level.
- Consumer prices are experiencing deflation.
- Youth unemployment hits over 21%, a record.
- Its fast-shrinking workforce is 10 years older than neighboring countries.
*Still, China keeps reporting outrageous GDP numbers.* Lol
Where does the growth come from?
It comes from up the CCPs ass
Fun fact, those GDP were generated from Mars economy, where China had long colonized there before Elon musk SpaceX even exists
Your numbers are as believable as theirs lol.
Cia Bot
@ArabicReja973
Anda bisa mengambil kesimpulan tersebut karena otak anda sudah tercuci oleh propaganda media barat.
Hanya sektor properti yang mengalami penurunan, dimana sektor lain seperti sektor industri tumbuh 5,8%, dimana didorong oleh manufaktur berteknologi tinggi yang tumbuh sebesar 9,1%
Sektor jasa juga mengalami pemulihan yang kuat, dengan peningkatan sebesar 4,7%, khususnya di bidang teknologi informasi dan layanan bisnis.
Dan ekspor import naik 5,3%, dimana eskpor sendiri tumbuh sebesar 6,2%.
Sehingga jelas argumen anda adalah argumen sampah yang sangat tipikal untuk korban cuci otak dari propaganda media barat.
A lot of people left NewYork after the lockdown and you can tell by the empty office building gradually I hope things return to normality
It’s really interesting to see how things have changed over the years. China’s getting to a point where they don’t need foreign talent anymore since they’re becoming leaders in so many industries
OK, so, the US is "obviously" far behind China, since it still attract lost of foreigners.
when will they grab Taiwan?
@@ireneuszpyc6684Taiwan is a part of China. Even the UN doesn't recognize it as a separate country
There are people who ask when China is grabbing Taiwan. 🤣How can you grab something that is already your own? But then lots of ignoramuses probably don't know the history. They don't know that the US signed three joint communiques in the 1970s recognising the One China principle. To quote verbatim : "The United States' One-China policy was first stated in the Shanghai Communiqué of 1972: "the United States acknowledges that Chinese on either side of the Taiwan Strait maintain there is but one China and that Taiwan is a part of China."
They still need foreign capital though, that hasn't changed. It's only getting harder as China's foreigner population shifts towards poorer countries who are aiming to become industrial competition themselves, while Chinese nationals continue attempting to permanently expatriate their wealth and their families.
Sorry , 25 million people and there were only 200,000 foreigners in 2018?
Thats not a lot. This makes shanghai near the bottom of foreigners for a major city
Shanghai was a small fishing village until the British arrived in 1845. They built it into a trading city and ran it until the Japanese invaded in late 1941.
The British gave it the “international” feel, and allowed the French, USA etc to set up in the city.
*🤭 This just proved (a saying I heard somewhere before) it goes something like if your skin are thick enough, if you are not embarassed enough by what you are saying the embarassed is the listeners*
Rome is a small villiage before Chinese arrived. Chinese taught them about Silk and tea, and showed them paint, art and procelain. Finally allowed them to trade on Silk trade, which greatly increased Rome reginal influences over other power and the ability to connect to Middle Eastern powers and India.
@@barryneild379 are you disagreeing with me mate?
Did you ever learn colonialism at school? How can you even be "proud" of it? I hope this comment is due to ignorance.
@@detachedmonkeymind
Shanghai’ was a dump before the British moved in. We built it.
You don’t like it? Find your own fishing village.
There was a time when I missed walking up and down Nanjing Road or on The Bund. No more. A natural part of teaching English is to introduce the students to the culture of the English speaking world and with that having become illegal...
It is because of the mass “cognitive operations” the us military and cia carry out around the world. They subvert and poison information space so if a country wants to remain independent, they have to protect their information space. Read up on NED and places like Ukraine, Lebanon, Georgia(the country), Tianimen Square, Soros, Facebook and the “Arab Spring”, etc etc etc
I have been resident in Shanghai over 21 years - its very different now many business's really struggle, cash flow, there is definitely less ex-pats I see this in the international hospitals, people have money (locals) but are not sure of the future and reduce spending mainly eating out and house prices have reduced, its still a great city to work and live in
二十年前中国只有一个上海.全中国集中供应了上海的繁荣，十年前有深圳，广州，北京.武汉，现在你知道中国有多少个城市吗？当大部分人分散在全国各地的时候，上海就必然没有以前的繁荣，上海是中国对外的一个窗口，但不是中国的全部，以前的上海就是一个买办性城市富起来的，如今中国本土城市富起来了，上海的重要性相对的减弱，这对中国整体来说是好事，去深圳，广州，重庆看看 这些是近二十年发展起来的真正本土化的城市，这些城市才是真正供应中国人生存的城市经济，上海持续作为一个对外的窗口就行，
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All Asian countries only pay local salaries. No more expat salary.
Local expertise has been developed which reduces reliance on and demand for imported talent. Local brands have improved and taken market share from foreign brands reducing revenues for foreign brands. That phenomenon is most stark in the car market with legacy German brands taking big losses as the Chinese market moves to local EVs. This is China progressing into a new phase. Just like Singapore, they imported foreign talent and capital to build their own industrial bases and capabilities and now they're taking the baton themselves as they have the confidence to continue without the need for foreign talent.
Interesting that a global banking hub doesn't need a free flow of ideas according to NYU's Shen.
Don't blame him, He would want to live..as we all do.
Me no go back to CHINA 😂
😝 U can't compete anymore
Form cannot replace substance. If the substance (open culture, friendly people and civic) then after any crisis, people all over the world will miss it and will want to return to experience their happy memories.
Let me save you some time. See 5:12
My first day in Shanghai I got a fine from the police for riding back a bike on the sidewalk; something that is legal in Guangzhou. The policeman, spoke English well, just ignored my explanation in Chinese.
It amazing seeing how much hate there is for this clip when it seem to present the facts without major biases. The fact the expat community is decreasing is not necessarily a negative terminal event. These things ebb and flow
Movement of people and ideas indicates vibrancy. If foreigners aren't making the effort to visit or move in, this means stagnation if not a downward trend. This is politically mortal to a ruling Party who has no other real promise to fulfill than upward mobility.
@ one third of Shanghai population is from other parts of China. There’s movement. Employing more locals is just logical from an economic and social pov.
Speaking of expat communities, Singapore has a vibrant one but what about South Korea or Japan? Genuinely asking cos before this I wouldn’t have thought Shanghai expat community was that big
The hate you see in comments reflects the true color of the so called Chinese “patriotism”.
No foreigner should b in the CCP
Taiwain is a country and Hong Kong should be free.
Global supply chains are slowing as countries adopt a more self-sufficient, “country-first” approach to production. This shift reduces reliance on nations like China, Vietnam, and India while fostering tighter control over waste, pollution, and recycling. By producing domestically, countries can cut emissions from long-distance transportation and implement cleaner, more sustainable practices.
This “country-mode” focus also reduces vulnerabilities in global trade disruptions and enhances economic resilience. Overdependence on global supply chains has not only fueled environmental damage but also worsened waste management challenges. Local production provides an opportunity for nations to innovate, reduce their carbon footprint, and take direct action against climate change.
China is making changes to its economic downturn. It’s levelling out now. China still has 600 million people in the rural areas, with this big of a population it has massive amounts of possible growth. 1 trillion in exports in 2024, they make stuff for the world to buy. Remember that China is still a developing country and it has achieved spectacular success over the last 40 years. Don’t underestimate the resilience these people have. They very quietly took over manufacturing and the whole world had no clue. Everyone thought it was a polluted, dirty backwards place full of uneducated people and it’s completely the opposite of what the Western propaganda fed you. You all believed it and now they’re eating our lunch. Lol
"Everyone thought it was a polluted, dirty backwards place full of uneducated people and it’s completely the opposite"
Clearly you've never been to China.
Whatever makes you feel better 🤡
actually China can not count any more on fast urbanization and supply of cheap labour from rural areas, those are depleted. Also it can not continue to grow fast with cheap manufacturing products, its super export oriented model reached high point but without structural changes it will not be able to keep that speed since its economy now is way too large to be sustained with the same model. The level of the game is increased and things are more complex - now ALL world has its focus on China and has clue what they are doing, its industry and manufacturing is so large it is global problem now so there will be no fast and easy tickets anymore.
There will always be expats and expats come and go all the time for various reasons. Expats just need to find a niche they can fit into in this ever evolving large country. Benefits have already shrunk long time ago because the value that a foreigner can bring to the country has shrunk as China developed their own talents over time.
Most Chinese don't worship foreign anymore. Chinese people have slowly gained self confidence, they know that they can do better than the Westerners.
Foreign corporations are losing market share in China, as the domestic companies greatly improved. Also, the domestic workforce has greatly improved in skills, so less expats needed to fill the gaps. Increases in Chinese incomes also mean that it gets more expensive for the foreigners, China isn't so cheap anymore. These are very positive trends for China, it is becoming less dependent upon external talent. China is also getting a lot more students studying abroad returning, who have both foreign language skills and cultural knowledge.
China doesn't them, because most of the expat are unskilled labor. Most of the contribution to china's development are made by chinese engineers that studied or worked abroad and brought the skills home.
As a resident in Shanghai, the worst years have already passed. There are more foreigners than in 2023.
So you served 😀 ending session with more foreigner in 2024 than 2023? Nice! Which hotel are you working in?
@@SumTingWong888,Marina bay sand hotel?
So you are breaking CCP law by using VPN
You can have it all to yourself. Not interested.
The foreigners coming now are grifters with no other better life options. You can keep 'em. Fewer nutjobs for us.
The big elephant in the room is politics
Free movement of people, capital and data. None of that exists in China and is, in fact, only getting worse. It is harder for foreign business to establish Chinese operations due to restrictive data laws.
Also, foreign businesses are rightly spooked by what happened in Russia (having to pull out almost overnight) and know the same may happen in China at any moment should they invade Taiwan or due to mass human rights violation (a la 1989). China has not fully abandoned its worst behaviours from its wolf warrior diplomacy such as intimidating foreign governments (most notably the Philippines and Australia) and hostage diplomacy (Canada).
I've been to Shanghai a number of times and it is an amazing place but as long as XJP and the CCP continue on that path, it will never achieve its place along side great global cities like New York, London, Paris and Tokyo.
Cognitive operations make the west look really vile.
What this means is that the Chinese have become more selective with the quality of the people they want. Especially in education now that they are better able to differentiate. Are foreign teachers considered "expat"?
Sounds correct to me. How some sub-per teachers could expect brighter future in the English teaching market in China when youngsters can learn English through online or even with their smartphone apps...
Only foreigners walking around now days are some South Korean tourists.
My friend had to lower her rent to attract locals bc her expats clients all left...locals have no money
What are CNA editors thinking? Is this really an important story to spend money on? Who cares.
China is one of the largest economies of the world. Knowing the world around us as Singaporean is very important!
@@Leo-ev9ss And within China, one could have investigated 1000 different stories and assign a reporter on it. Is this really even a top 10 story?
@@user-km2bz8iy5olooks like you care enough to comment and reply to comments 😂
What's your point? Are we not allowed to discuss news coverage? I said who cares about *this specific story*. I do care that CNA insider editors are wasting the time of their reporters by assigning low priority stories like this. That is the point.
@@user-km2bz8iy5o, you’re sounding like a moron now. One moment you said “who cares”. Next comment you said “you care”. Enough said. Never argue/debate with idiots, cos they will bring you down to their level of stupidity and beat you with experience 😂
Why is it any concerns of CNA to show foreigners are leaving China? Foreigners come and go as they wish. Shanghai, China would not collapse just because of foreigners leaving. They are not here to safe China. China have always saved themselves through the centenaries without the help of foreigners. China have never been dependent on foreigners for survival. On jobs, locals are now better qualified to fill the jobs.
CNA worships white men too much. low quality people.
When unemployment rate rises, they prioritze the locals. i respect it.
After those lockdowns, I would never move to Shanghai. What if it happens again?
Oh my god, it’s 2025 and the Singapore news media is still focusing on covid.
the reporter has more tendency about after covid , probably he got limited knowledge about economy?? The Profesor explained very well the overall impact of the situation. Comparing to other cosmopolitan cities, such as NYC, Tokyo, London, Paris etc, Shanghai still much better place in term of economic.
it seems parts of this vid was recorded in 2023 as one of the people being interviewed said "like now in 2023" when talking about the city
Covid wasn’t that long ago and yes it made people move. Didn’t Elon move to Texas from California becos of restrictions. Lots of victorians from Australia moved to Queensland for that same reason. If a documentary needs to be done about Victorian population levels it will have to mention Covid
China today is undergoing what sounds like multiple respiratory epidemics there, and we're very aware of how an airborne illness centered around China turned out last time.
Gaslighting much? Don't like to talk about the massive human rights violation that was the totally failed and inhumane zero covid policy by CCP ??? I was there and I will talk about it for the rest of my life. I have the photos too. True colors came out during covid in China.
Lol the italian guy saying that before covid, 50% of people in Shanghai were foreigners is way off. Maybe 0.5%, if even that
A comment about safety. I'm from the US and spent about two weeks around Shanghai and Nanjing in 2014. While I felt safe in the sense that nobody was going to rob or attack me, it did feel like people were constantly trying to scam me, especially in Shanghai.
For economy to keep growing, one indispensable thing is the rule of law, which China does not have.
How they live if there isn't rule of law.
@ Under the mercy of the party that does not show mercy to anyone except the ones in power.
@@daixin2010😂说你是傻逼都是夸奖你！
China has rule of law. No more or less than any western country. Please regale me with how the law is so superior in any western countries. Stop spouting nonsense.
愚昧如你
The international community left 🇨🇳. I wonder y. Their Wolf warrior diplomacy is Woking really well.ha.ha.ha...Karma😂
Mandate of Heaven.
"Immagrants"
"Ex-pats" is a elitist term.
immigrants is when you move to a country and expect to live/work permanently.
expats is when you move to a country knowing full well its only for a few short months or years.
@@jong9379 stop fooling yourself, that is the explanation of those elitist that want to over explain that they are not racist, in this case is clearly different because they say expats moving out like is something bad, but if that expat explanation was true then is completely normal that they are moving out. There's many westerners living in Shanghai Guangzhou etc that are living in china for 20+years and with their kids born in china and still considering themselves expats.
@@jong9379 lol those white ppl lived décade in china ..they are immigrants..
The Chinese government doesn't want immigrants, and it discourages immigration, so you're going to get expats.
@@jong9379 finally someone with brain, half knowledge is more dangerous than no knowledge is proven by such comments 😂
Oh! Cry me a river 😭
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80 million households in the USA buy more than 10 products from Chinese workers every month,
400 million households in China buy how many products from American workers every month?
Is it time to put things in order?
Foreigners from the Global North. Global South?
Do you really need to even ask? Bro....
😂😂😂😂😂
@ryanwalters6184 It's rhetorical.
Other than like Myanmar and Laos, not much movement into China either. Plus they'd need to be actively sponsored for their visas, and they're not nearly as profitable to bring in.
The video already mentioned most of the foreigners are from Japan. There are also many American, French and Russian in Shanghai.
@@kleec495 I wasn't really asking a question.
When the show started, I was expecting much larger numbers when talking about expat's and the drop in their numbers in Shanghai. An 80k drop wouldn't even register in most parts of the US. I've lived overseas, but I still forget how homogeneous most countries are around the world.
less expat means more jobs for locals. it's a good thing.
Expats take well paying jobs from locals
Cheaper rent too
Is that the reason so many young people in communist red China are unemployed since the Wuhan Covid 19 virus.?🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂
@@philipwong5858anti-china troll spotted
Not if foreign companies leave
It doesn't mean anything TBH. People come and go for all kinds of reasons. If you have visited many big cities and you will find Shanghai has its own charm.
If that annoying blogger at 1:05 is there I don't ever want to visit. Plus all that pollution in China no thanks
What do you mean? That vlogger carried this video! Ah! 🤣
@Anonymous-xq3cd Hahaha 😆 sure
The pollution is not as bad as New Delhi.
That's why everyone is planning a future in Africa 🌍.
Africa is big enough and Open hands 😊
Do one for singapore? It is the same here
Hong Kong has 20,000 restaurants.