when you hire the author to direct the movie
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Sin City (2005) is no ordinary comic book movie. Nor is it your average book to screen movie adaptation generally. Director Robert Rodriguez personally sought out author Frank Miller, creator of the original Sin City graphic novels, to co-direct the movie with him. With the author not just on set, but also directing, what you end up with is essentially the most faithful movie adaptation possible. Today I'll look at how Robert Rodriguez convinced Frank Miller to make the movie, and what the implications of that were. Next time I'll complete the story by discussing the technology behind turning the Sin City novels, visually, into a feature length film.
Written & edited by Danny Boyd
Thank you again to everyone who showed such tremendous support while I was debating finishing up this video. I’m really glad I did. The rest of my breakdown will be up in just a couple of weeks. So stay tuned :)
-Danny
Great video, can't wait for part ii. Loved the little bw tribute at the end too. Any hints to the other channel that made a sin city video that almost caused you to shelve this one?
i never knew i would like this type of content, thank you for sharing your passions my guy
“Implicitly Pretentious?” A twin separated at birth and accent? A ‘Tyler Durden’ type scenario? If not, it’s evidence that the multiverse is real…. Great stuff
@@dirkdiggler.Nerdstalgic. They’re quite good, but it’s a pure content farm.
I hope you talk about The Spirit, which Miller directed without help and is one of the worst movies I’ve ever seen
For me, Sin City isn’t just a great adaptation of a comic, it’s one of the best (neo) noir films out there. It ticks all the boxes and goes darker than most movies in its genre.
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It's a modern classic, a high bar that a lot of films haven't risen to, since
Indeed
Pure kino
The actors all did a great job too
The sheer level of humility required to do what Rodriguez did, its kind of astounding!
It's not so much humility, vut respect, when you absolutely love the source material and want to do it justice and want to present it as is.
Fans of the movie will hate me for saying this but little respect was given to GUNNM which was adapted to Alita Battle Angel. As he said he respected James Cameron’s script, but it seems he had none for the original. The script might have been a mess, but Robert also messed up the visual. Other than the few great night scenes, the rest were atrocious. He subverted the main conflict around Hugo by depicting the city as nice and sunlit. He also removed all of the environmental theme by showing the surrounding area as green and lush, when in the original it’s all sand and rock because the humans destroyed it. It’s a cyberpunk classic for a reason.
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Thank God I am not the only person who didn't like those aspects of that adaption of Alita.
And what was up with the EYES, like christ her lips were the defining part about her not her anime eyes.
I believe that was more of an artistic choice for the eyes. Because it would translate better to the audience on screen than her lips.@@samueljones3668
Yeah, He serves and prioritizes the work.. not his legacy… more people should be like this imo… you see too often in other professions, a DA refusing to admit they were wrong and persue the win, a cop having tunnel vision to support their own theory… a construction worker not using an easier method because it wasnt their idea… big flaw in the human condition with many.
Robert Rodriguez doesn’t get enough credit for help pushing the special effects field with the use of green screen in this. Also Robert Rodriguez seems like a really cool and down to earth guy.
Agreed
Plus he made mfing shark and lava girl for like 50 dollars
Snyder owes Rodriguez fucking royalties for some of his moves imo
Meh he's boring
he is a hack filmamaker. if one thing, he should make less movies
Sin City was special, I was in awe watching it for the first time. I never knew Frank was that involved in the process, but I knew Rodriguez had pleaded with him to do the movie. Frank was so disenfranchised by Hollywood, that he wanted nothing to do with them. I'm so glad this one got made, it was amazing
I agree, it’s also timeless in my opinion. This movie could come out in theaters today and I doubt anyone would have an issue. Lol In fact with the recent slump of good movies I bet this movie would do really well.
Robert Rodriguez is one of my favorite directors because of his gonzo approach to directing-I read his book about how he wrote the script for El Mariachi while doing drug trials to pay for the film, intentionally bought the cheapest film because of budget and played it off as a stylistic choice, used every shot he could because of his limited budget and didn’t even reshoot takes if the actors flubbed but instead recut something else to cover the flub. Just a complete bulldoze of every stylistic movie convention and it absolutely worked. A lot of people prefer Desperado because Rodriguez could go back and do it better with a bigger budget, but El Mariachi was special.
I love his work on Sin City, but let's be honest, don't get that guy close to star wars again after his episodes in Boba Fett, that was horrible !
@@ledernierutopisteanything owned by Disney is horrible nowadays, no matter who stars or directs. They're al hampered by Iger's vision and KKs egoism
@lyricalcleric8593 "A lot of people prefer Desperado because Rodriguez could go back and do it [bigger] with a [better] budget, but El Mariachi was special."
Once upon a time in Mexico is him at his peak then surely
@@derinum Johnny Depp was amazing in that movie. The rest of it was so-so. I like his grindhouse duology with Tarantino, Sin City is a masterpiece, even the Spy Kids series is great fun. Rodriguez is a fun director, that’s fine by me.
The whole movie was eye candy. Some of the most amazing cinematography I've seen.
Love the Bruce Willis performance at the end. He was a hell of a performer and it's sad to think his career is likely over.
@@BE.OFFICIALwhy, what do you mean?
@@Chinintoo16The form of aphasia he suffers from is progressive. As his brain deteriorates, so will his mind and everything about him that makes him himself. Utterly devastating for him and his family.
@@Chinintoo16 He's ill (frontotemporal dementia).
Yup. I liked him since being kid. Moonlightning with Sybil Shepard was my first "criminal" series. His smile and jokes got me.
@@Chinintoo16 He was diagnosed with a form of dementia. Generally speaking, it's a slow death sentence with no options for recovery. He may live for many years yet, but he'll just continue becoming disconnected from the world around him. It's a terrible disease.
I bet Bruce is bitching about something at 7:38
That Bruce Willis ending was so amazingly heartbreaking. I had no idea he could sing like that. A reminder of how talented and charismatic he was, before his disease cruelly took it all away from him.
What disease?
@@notabannedaccount8362It's called "aphasia". I seem to recall it messes with short-term memory. He retired from acting recently since he couldn't remember enough of his lines to even act.
EDIT: I was wrong, it CAN impact memory, but it's actually a speaking disorder. It's where you constantly misspeak and use the wrong words. Essentially you start speaking gibberish.
Alzheimer
Bruce is literally the frontman, singer, harmonica player, and frontman for Bruno, his musical persona.
@@OldDemonToothyeah, i know he made an album back in 80s/90s, not sure if he made more tho.
surprised a lot of people don’t know this about him. i guess it’s cuz he didn’t pull the Johnny Depp and and try to weave “rock star” into every fiber of his public persona…
Rodriguez is too kind. If Miller had any hint of talent as a film director Sin City 2 and Spirit wouldn't be atrocious.
With Miller’s reverence for Will Eisner, I really expected The Spirit to be just as good as the comics. The best we got was Samuel L Jackson and Scarlett Johansson in a movie together years before the MCU.
Success brought sycophants. They then influenced the new films. Miller probably didn't understand he was dealing with untalented locusts miming success.
@@timothymarkin4481it's really hard to see all that reverence for Will Eisner when he turned The Spirit into just another Sin City character, and not a good one at that.
As someone who *actually* reveres Will Eisner, I hate that movie with a passion.
@@timothyblazer1749...Or he just doesn't have any real film-making experience and doesn't know what the hell he's doing.
@@ImVeryOriginal I disagree.
This and Scott Pilgrim are two movies that embrace the graphic novels they’re adapting with such precision! I wish more movies were as stylized as this. Another great video, Danny!
Scott Pilgrim changed alot of the story.
I will also add 300 to this list
@@NostalgiNorden Scott Pilgrim started production before the graphic novels were finished. Wright was working off of drafts and notes O'Malley made while working on the books.
O'Malley was on board for the whole process, they made both together, and he even based some parts of the latter comics on the movie itself.
I remember watching the movie 'The Spirit'. A 2008 production also directed by Miller that was a flop but the style was beautifully done
@@cangooz2240And Watchmen.
The cast was so amazing too, every actor/actress. I remember I played Max Payne a lot years before and loved the dark comic strip cutscenes of the game and lost my marbles when I first saw this movie (I was unfamiliar with the graphic novel prior to the movie). Great video, thank you!
For those who didn't know, Bruce Willis published a couple of music albums in the early eighties under the stage name "Bruno" (no relation to the Sasha Baron Cohen character).
Willis' singing career is older than you thought.
Under the boardwalk: watch?v=en9ZWmt5UxI
I actually love his rendition of "Under the Boardwalk"
I remember seeing him sing in Hudson Hawk. It seemed really odd to me, since I had been introduced to Willis via Die Hard. But not as strange as seeing Clint Eastwood sing a love song in Paint Your Wagon!
Bruce Willis’ musician alter ego isn’t related to a gay German fashion icon?
@OutrageIsNow Bruno wasn't even a character until the 2000s. Not sure why op thought to make that distinction
The thing about Sin City, even though it had style turned up way past 10, it was still substance over style. The acting, dialogue, pacing and story was exceptional with all direction cues based on a comic book masterpiece.
I was riveted. Every scene had me hooked. It was a singular cinematic experience for me that only a handful of other films have achieved. It's up there with the best of cinema.
Sadly with The Spirit - the style was ratcheted up to 11 but everything else was hollow, empty, flat.
Yeah. When I watched it, I gave it no credit because of the title(I thought it was gonna be the most edgelord. Everything is a dirty joke or gratuitous violence and sex). But was blown away by how engaging and endearing the plot was
The only movie I watched in the cinema more than two times. A masterpiece of pulp noir.
Even jessica alba acted well in this.. that is saying something
I was talking about experimental movies at work and a co worker suggested Sin City.
First five minutes I was already hooked. Anything that resembles a moving comic book I will instantly love and adore. So much passion and craft was thrown to this film it’s insane..
Check out "a scanner darkly"
Check out Speed Racer.
@@RaiohTheHunter that’s pretty underrated from what I hear.
But do not check out “The Spirit”
Woah, I had no idea Bruce Willis could sing like that
Right? Blew me away.
Bruce Willis actually started out as a singer I believe.
@FreakieFan He certainly performs with the confidence of someone who’s done it a lot.
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His album The Return of Bruno (which came out 1 year before Die Hard) was quite a big hit in the 80s!
I wish all the best to Bruce Willis, he is just so an awesome actor.
He did what Snyder did with Watchmen and 300. The results on the 4 movies were excellent.
This completely changed my understanding of what adaption can be. I recognize it will probably be a onetime accomplishment, but it’s fascinating
We're just lucky he was a fan and wanted that exact vision brought to life.
Marjane Satrapi's own movie adaptation of her comic novel "Persepolis" from 2007 is another great example. She had the hitherto almost lost art of hand-drawn film animation re-animated for this heartbreaking, lovely, melancholic, bitter-sweet (almost entirely) black and white movie that tells an autobiographical tale of a childhood in pre- and post- revolutionary Iran and a refugee youth in Vienna and Paris as an endearing coming-of-age story.
If you can dig pulp comic strip stuff done the old school movie way of matte paintings and physical props in a studio town, there is also the idiosyncratically odd but endearingly moody "Dick Tracy" hardboiled detective fiction meets over the top grotesque facial physiques and cardboard comic characters adaptation released by Warren Beatty in 1990. It is a rare case of a real live action comic hero movie that doesn't use any type of animation effects whatsoever, just plain old prosthetics and other physically present special effects, and besides Warren Beatty as the titular character it also features Al Pacino as a villain and Madonna as a femme fatale.
We will never see something like this from modern Hollywood. It's too much risk. They rather put out garbage because the critics will pan it and people will hate-watch it anyway.
Batman vs Superman should've been made in such a way ... * sigh *
Certainly a must watch movie because of the unique style. Cast is also top tier. Great choice for a topic of video
Except for Jessica Alba. She is horrendous actress
Unbelievable cast!
This was one of my favorite movies ever. I never read the graphic novel originally, but I did afterwards. I loved the movie so much, I went back hours later and went again to the theater to see it. Went a third time the very next day. This is the only movie I've ever done that with.
It is my favourite movie of all time
Always felt like Sin City is so singular that it’s not even from this dimension. So excited to see you giving it some due credit .
Frank Miller didn't direct it.. Robert Rodriguez did and let Frank have collaborative input as well as Quentin Tarantino. If anything, this was the anti derivative copy write problem of hollywood rather than.. letting the author direct the movie because if he did it wouldn't have been as good trust me.
An author directing an adaptation of their work is a pretty cool thing so no wonder this worked.
In 10 years Disney will make a race-hustled version starring some minority women and lesb!an communist theme
Counterpoint: Maximum Overdrive.
I think the main difference is a comic author already understands storyboarding, vs a book author.
That’s why I really enjoy Japanese anime. A lot of authors either end up writing for films based off of their works or straight up adapt it themselves, the greatest example would be Hayao Miyazaki who adapted his manga into his first original work, “Nausicaä and the Valley of the Wind”.
tell me how much you loved Spirit then
Was about 20 when this was released. I knew it was something special right away, at the theatre. You're right, not everything needs to be 1:1 but if it can be, it's damn good art and storytelling.
I'm glad you submitted this video, Cinemastix. This was wonderfully put together.
You said it in this very video: "when you go all in, that's when it works." Your integrity has never come into question. Keep shining.
Warms my heart, thank you :) I’m very glad I did, too. And I’m so glad you enjoyed it!
-Danny
@@CinemaStixfantastic outro too btw
Been a fan of the comics for a long time and lo and behold my surprise when the live action was so faithful and well done! Never expected it, with how live adaptations go. Ty for shedding light on it and expanding on the visuals
I met Frank Miller in a bar in Manhattan. He was having a drink, I was there with a friend. It started with me asking what he did for work and he said "I make movies," and I said "Oh, is it something I might have heard of?" and he said "Sin City."
My immediate reaction was "Oh, you're Frank Miller? I've been following your work since Ronin." And he said "Oh, so a long time."
What I found fascinating about the discussion was how he, at that point, had giving himself the right to call himself a movie maker. There was a hint of reservation, however. Like he was trying it on for size. I was, and still am, a fanboy of his comics, so I gravitated to those topics. I thought perhaps he was moving into a new realm of creativity.
The conversation was brief, but exciting enough that I recall it. I just thought it was interesting as a side note.
that's a really cool interaction, and interesting analysis... thanks for sharing
well, he did the spirit later but between the box office failure and his sickness he is back at comics
i met flying lotus in a grocery store
@@TheJacklikesvideosThat’s pretty dope too.
Very interesting!
Sin City blew me away when I saw it. I didn't even know about the graphic novels, I just knew that this was unlike any movie I had ever seen, and I fucking loved it.
doesn't matter what the critics say this movie is so close to my heart, I remember watching this as a teen and been extremely impressed with the adaptation, script and effects, a classic, is one of those films that you show your kids and talk in detail about how this film was such a inspiration in graphic noir film.
I remember seeing this in theaters, after being a huge fan of the comics, and I was blown away by how accurate it was in both appearance, and the dialogue; in the vast majority of the movie, it was word for word from the comics, I couldn't believe it.
I barely found your channel because I love Frank Miller's Sin City! And this video essay reminded me of Tony's video essays. I think it was your intro that got me into the headspace again. I loved it. Thank you, Danny.
Thank YOU! The second part to the video comes out tomorrow morning, so your timing is perfect :)
-Danny
What the hell - I had no idea Bruce could sing like that!
Soon as I saw it I was like, well, yep, that’s going in the video. Whether it makes sense or not.
It works great as an outro - excellent choice.@@CinemaStix
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For a film like this no one should have had to quit their union. The union should have changed for them!
Imagine a Guild that is created for the sole purpose of defending your rights as a director telling you what to do as a director. GTFO. 😂
Keep the videos coming! 👍🏾
First job of any union is to protect the interests of the union itself. The members are (hopefully) the second priority, but those two priorities clash from time to time like in this example.
Every Union's purpose is to protect and enrich the union.
@@asmosisyup2557 I almost wish that people read the reasons as to why they have this rule, instead of promoting the automated response as to why "union bad"
@@nokeechia(a curious question, not at all in a provocative tone:) what are those reasons?
That’s not just unions, it’s all institutions. That doesn’t mean we can abandon the idea of institutions.
The directors cut of both movies are definitely worth watching.
I remember reading along with the film because the scenes in the movie were literally 1:1 to the novel. Almost every single frame was inspired directly from a panel and it was actually out of this world how devoted the film was to being a carbon copy of the comics, especially considering most people wouldn't notice.
Sadly A Dame to kill for showed that Sin City was lightning in a bottle.
This was a masterpiece not a comic book movie. All the actors and actresses were in their prime and were true professionals.
I remember those days, batman begins, sin city and 300 in a 18 month span, was so confident the comic book era was gonna be great. Genre peaked and descended for 15 years straight.
@@dixonhill1108 05-07 is a blur to me. Jay-z Kanye 50 Cent was dominating the music industry and Seth Rogen was pumping out comedies left and right.
@@dixonhill1108dark Knight? Watchmen? Kick ass? Sure buddy sure
Watched this in a cineplex. When it was over I was walking out and heard it starting again in another theatre. There was no choice to be made. I walked in, sat down and immediately watched it again. Loved it BOTH times.
Maybe one about video game adaptations and why they're not working
Which one?
@@rashedulkabir6227 all of it
Sin City is a masterpiece
Would love to see more movies using the exact same style, not just leaning close to it.
There's a sequel, lol
Frank Miller went on to direct The Spirit movie using the exact same style as Sin City. It looks great and features an amazing cast, but it's not a great movie.
well... hate or like it
there are 300 and Watchmen directed by Zack, yep Zack
@@Nightie_Nightskies I'd agree that 300 is done in a similar style, but Watchmen (even though it's a good movie) is nothing like Sin City. The only thing they have in common is that they're both based on comics.
@@carlgibson285 welp.. i mean, take Watchmen of little from the style, let say 1:1 comic frame, so then yes i see Watchmen have it, some scene of it.
you don't see it, thats ok, i just listed some of similar with slowmo 1:1 frame and color to look like a comic in a film, for the OP commentor above
Take a graphic novel that you love, use it as a storyboard to translate it to film as faithfully as humanly possible.
It's a style of movie that usually ends up being a work of art that lasts for generations.
I can only think of a handful of such movies: Sin City, 300, The Crow, V for Vendetta and Watchmen.
That said, anime tend to do this all the time with manga source material, but it rarely comes out as good as it should.
The music and sound design are amazing too, I’m curious if that was all a team effort too between the directors
I can’t speak on sound design, but music.. seriously, so good. There were three composers. One for each major section of the movie. And one of them was Rodriguez himself!
Sin City is the greatest comic book series of all time, but only a mediocre movie. They left out a lot of the comic relief. Also, RR sucks at directing actors.
Great tribute to Bruce at the end there.
The movie is a masterpiece.
Bruce Willis is a bloody legend
That’s was great! But wait a minute, you just blew my mind with that footage of Willis! I had no idea he could jam and sing like that!
I know, just incredible. Soon as I saw it I knew I had my outro.
Sin City is so good, not only cause of its adaptation, as for me I didn't know about the comic. To me it just felt like a true piece of art watching it. I feel so many movies ground themselves in clear visuals, even with CGI, instead of stylizing them HARD with insane camera angles and overly dramatic rain effects, etc.
It turns the movie into a whole dream sequence, where you may remember bits that got stuck in your head, but cause everything were portrayed so vividly you can't really visualize them in your wake mind and instead you have to rewatch it.
Many folks here surprised Willis can sing. Save the last dance for me was something of a hit back in the late 80s/early 90s.
The first Sin City movie is excellent. How Rodriguez and Miller, who created this perfection, were able to make such a terrible sequel, I will never understand.
when all the stars align movies like Sin City come out. Take one or two elements out of the equation and the end result is not the same. Rodriguez and Miller are overly talented but they also need the support of other talented people to help bring their creative vision to life. If these people arent there, the product wont be satisfactory. Also, you need to hone your skills to keep them sharp. Almost 10 years passed between the first and the second movie, and those skills may have deteriorated as well.
Another example would be Ridley Scott.
Bruce Willis can SING?!
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I can't believe that movie's from 2005. damn, what a great year it was for entertainment
Agreed!
A question: Why do studios purchase (often at great expense) the rights to cinematically drawn comics and then not use or at least attempt to use the comics cinematic style but instead often use generic Hollywood looks & visual shots?
because people that crave and achieve power without talent or merit are narcissistic morons, i.e. studio heads.
Well that’s mainly just an adaptational question. Sin City and works like it kind of have to because they’re so style over substance that it would be pointless to do it otherwise, but most of the time, they’re not doing 1:1 adaptations of things, this goes for other book to film adaptations, for instance. Art styles are also usually hard to replicate in live action, unless you do something like Rodriguez did with Sin City (which personally I’m glad they don’t do, I didn’t really like this movie). And anyway, most comic films are stuff like Civil War, which only really take the concept of a story and adapt it to the already established cinematic universe.
True, comic authors have an enormous advantage over non-comic authors when it comes to film adaptation. They basically have to illustrate a storyboard as they write, which makes referencing back to what the story should look like worlds easier for both them and the people trying to adapt the piece.
Man, I just want to say … I feel like I’m listening to a NPR program while watching your videos. And I mean that as a sincere compliment to your cadence, writing and editing. Love your videos. Keep it up!
That’s amazing, thank you!! I uh.. do listen to a lot of NPR :)
-Danny
@@CinemaStix Yeah, you sound a LOT like a younger Peter Sagal.
Eww!
This is why quentin tarantino movies are perfect. HE WROTE THE SCRIPT!
That was a beautiful video, man. I may be high as a kite right now but I just love how you structured that whole thing and the stories within. Kudos.
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Rodriquez's theory was kind of debunked after The Spirit came out.
Coincidentally I just watched Sin City again a couple weeks ago and reminded myself how good it is. Good video, keep’em coming!
Damn, i didn't know Bruce was chill like that!
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One of my absolute favorite film series! My brother and I watched this series late one night in a whim years ago and still reflect on that night and these films to this day! So impactful!
A question if I may, how did you use footage from sources for over five seconds? UA-cam copyright laws stipulates that you can normally use no more than five seconds of footage so how did you guys manage to bypass that? This ridiculous rule is giving me great difficulties on a current project that I am trying to upload to my channel so a response would be appreciated. Thank you very much. Awesome video.
I adore this channel. Awesome video!
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Being someone who read the comics before the movie, I noticed the sacrifice of lines and stuff being cut as they adapt 3 large stories.
But despite that, it's still a great movie.
I also compare it to Raimi Spiderman and Tim Burton Batman in that it feels "stylized".
Wow had no idea Bruce Willis was such a great singer.
Wow, Bruce Willis is about as good at harmonica as Clint Eastwood is at piano.
At least they're having fun
I'm so glad you're covering this!
:)
It's not always a good idea to have the author direct the movie -- See "Stephen King" and "Overdrive". Blech.
this was an amazing video! i cant wait for part 2
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I always get Max Payne vibes from Sin City. Would be banging if they did max payne movie like this!
No matter the length, I always get exited when someone mentions it will be a "2 part" 👌🏻
Great video as always (:
I’m really happy to hear that. It felt risky to me making this call. But also like a pretty important experiment. Because I’m sure it won’t be the last time I’ll have more to say about a movie than I can reasonably fit in a 10 minute video.
-Danny
@@CinemaStix seems like a no Brainerd specially because, as you mention, you dive into diferent things on each video. It's not like a 2 part extended Ramblin of what you said in the first part (:
I feel like I am getting gaslit with this movie. Every essayist and even some friends of mine, rave about how good it looks. In my opinion, it looks terrible. That's an aside from all the good work that was put into it, but I feel the results are lackluster. The harsh black & white lighting is obviously not intended for live-action movies. It looks great in the graphic novel examples shown in this video and probably would in animation as well, as Batman the Animated Series showed decades ago. However, it doesn't translate well to a medium with a lot of information on the screen. Every movement and shot look hilariously artificial. To me, this is testimony as to why some styles only work in other mediums and why adaptations need to adapt to the medium rather than slavishly copy the source. Sin City should have been a big-budget animated movie, but for some reason, people still think "animation equals for kids," contrary to a literal avalanche of evidence showing the contrary
Another great informative piece by CinimaStix. Congrats my boy!!
Thank you so, so much!
What always blows my mind about adaptations from a writing standpoint, (aside from necessary changes due to a change in medium), is if you have source material that's good enough to make a movie out of, why would you ever change the script
Sin City is a movie that invokes the feel of "art" inside of me, like no other movie so far... at least none i can remember right now.
i am not really a fan of the movie, but i see its artistic value and craftsmanship and thats a big part on why i like to watch it when its randomly on TV.
Unpopular opinion: I hated this movie so much. It was so annoying, weird, boring and confusing. A friend wanted to watch both movies with me and after the first I was so annoyed, we watched Equilibrium instead. Much better movie hahah
I need to see this film
be sure to watch the correct version. Not the recut and extended or the one where every story has an intro and credits.
Wow who would of thought having the original authors have a say in an adaption improves film quality...
Sin City truly was an anomaly. It has been my experience that, unless it's your own student work (intended to demonstrate your overall filmmaking skills), having the author direct is rarely a wise move.
Preston Sturges and Billy Wilder wouldn't agree.
@@jonathangems operative word: "rarely" 🙂
The thing with Frank Miller is that he understands screenplay writing. He tried to enter Hollywood as a screenwriter in the late 80s, with screenplays for Robocop 2 and 3, which, sadly enough, were butchered by others production factors. That propably devastated him and sent him in a path that led to Sin City and 300, stories far darker and mature than his previous works. His Sin City comics show he can direct through the framing of his panels.
@@hebanker3372 agree! 👍
This isn't Blood Meridian we are talking about, it's graphic novel with a somewhat mediocre story arc and dialogue, so of course you can get a more authentic adaptation.
I did not get it then, and I don't get it now. If it is so faithful, then read the book. Now if you transform the material and adapt it to a Different Medium then do that. But no... IMHO you are Making Cinema Not a Live Action Motion Comic. I get doing it to an extent, because of technology, but the whole thing? Then were is the originality of it being a movie? All it becomes is an expensive/expansive companion piece really.
Man oh man did I hate this movie when it came out. Super interesting technically, but the devotion to a "faithful" translation is a misstep. The books are amazing pieces of visual art, but their static nature helps define them. Doing the same pieces in a moving medium doesn't add dynamism, it makes them feel staid.
One of my top 3 favourite movies of all time! A masterpiece. I love Frank Miller!
Don't forget Quentin Tarantino as the "special guest director". I may just be a fan-boy of his, and he didn't write any of it, but I see Tarantino's fingerprints all over it. Definitely a great film all around, very innovative.
look at what frank did without robert there sitting next to him to guide him, THE SPIRIT.....one of the last movies i ever walked out of the theater on
if the typical budget for a big budget movie were to be split between 10 outfield movies chosen from 100 short films made just to compete for the ten slots, made only by unheard of directors with a cast of unknown actors we would have something new to see.
Bruce Willis prime is gonna be hard to beat..... not sure there's a way back from where he is now but i hope doctors are able to do something for him
Sam lake is crying for what the max payne movie could of been " -augh- it should of been me. not him its not fair"
I loved those movies so much like when I was watching I couldn't keep my eyes off of it.
Hold up what was tarantino doing in that very quick clip? didnt realise he was involved
I wished they do a live action of Batman with this type of cinematography and gore.
Same with George Lucas and Star Wars and that’s also why it sucks now.
Just saying don't forget he made the Boba Fett show, one of the worst Star Wars products ever
Sin City is still great and when it came, it was even more mindblowing for there not being anything like that before. You can see the Rodriguez style in it but more so in toned down Planet Terror way. It's still so over the top and still manages to stay serious. All while being hyper stylized, it's a magnificent balancing act and feat. From the cast and directing.
One thing just bugs me A Lot. After Sin City, studio immidiatelly greenlit like 3 sequels (it was for sure 2 but I remember there was talks about in total 4 movies). They should have been done in trilogy with one year of space between the movies and Rodriguez could have also still done his kid movies he so much loves to do (little effort and big payday). Like spy-kids sequal and next year Sin City sequel etc. He just didn't and kepr pushing it back... There was for a long time Depp attached to the part that Joseph Gordon-Levitt played in the end so new talent would have not been a problem. The sequel they made somehow looked and felt a bit differend/off, not at all as gritty and somehow the cgi not as good (I don't know if it was somewhat studio control but you did notice in Predators also that he just is rusty in more adult orientated genres). People getting old ofc being a problem but goddamn Jessica Alba is some gene anomaly. Then when after all the time, even if it is in the comic book, making Clive Owen Josh Brolin just made it more so kinda mess. I don't even think Brolin was a right choice when you already have Rourke (I think off the top Viggo Mortensen, Vincent Cassell, Guy Pierce, I don't know, Norton could have pulled it off. Miho's actor not wanting to do it again, Michael Clarke Duncan dead, Brittany Murphy dead, (Power Booth's just managed to do it before dying, it was few years after the release) and all that just not creating a good vibe from the get go.
It also felt like there was some scenes to more so for fan-service than moving the plots, which is important with so many stories in it. Too many in one movie to flesh them all out, but they propably knew it will be the last so every important character that could sensibly from first was added to have some arc. I was actually the most interested in the Joseph Gordon-Levitt arc and it just kinda came and went, I feel it should've been way bigger portion of the movie. You hardly got time to care for the guy and the dynamic was very interesting plot-wise. It could have been way more impactfull. Then we come to Eva Green.. who was a ok but I just feel someone like Charlotte Gainsbourgh or whoever having kinda Nicole Kidman like presence would have been needed. She did her thing and it was passable, but then again she is like the main villain in a sense so For Me I would have needed a bit more from her (or more scenes to establish her, she came off to me more comical than devious and actually scary woman).
Since like c'mon. Ok Benicio Del Toro is a cheat-code when he takes a role seriously, but he stole a lot of the first movie with very little amount of scenes, just with how sadistic but charming he was and managed to kill the Tarantino directed car scene. Great balance of odd and a devil on your shoulder.
It was more Robert Rodriguez. Frank Miller tried to direct again and it was terrible.
Author making movie is like.
Architect making building.
Never liked it… might try again at some point. Took me years finish kill bill
One Piece, Sin City, it's proving live action need the author.