Leo's projected path to top 8 is Ouch -> KEN -> Miya and then Acola. Dude has to go through the top 2 of Japan and a player he has yet to beat (although I think Leo should clear KEN this time) to get to winners finals. This isn't even close to free.
I think ZeRo is actually doing a good job at doing more content other than just the banned stuff, tho I think he knows it pulls in the most views when he does.
I got some discussion points about the convo during the 40:00 minute mark, I watched most of that Zero vid and some of his more recent vids. He said that some banned players will be allowed but not everyone. I'm assuming the banned players that had false allegations or non-illegal stuff will be allowed. He explicitly said any player that did actual illegal things (I.E. Nairo, Ally...) will be barred from the tournament. Also, I think Zero only has like 3 videos about the "banned" stuff.
yah I think we were just noticing the trend of riding the wave of "ban talk" or content getting a spike in views, not saying its a forever thing, just an observation
The thing about that situation for Zero getting "out" from the "banned" situation is that, he doesn't care for competing anymore, so he is able to talk about the "banned" content without any real problems, and he can also kinda farm the situation, so i kinda don't see the problem with it
He’s doing what he wants outside the smash space, as I said if you don’t care don’t let it bother you, he ain’t poppin up at any events lol, always interesting to discuss tho
Bit of a correction. Zero isn't just sticking to banned content. 7 of his last 10 video were about a best of 10, a cool smash set, or not related to smash brothers at all
I know this will come off as a shitty "haha i'm from the future look how wrong you were" comment but ZeRo's last videos being controversy bait or doing the same shitty drama content that was done to him and his general online presence as Technical's mouthpiece and moral guru about the smash community really soured any kind of image that ZeRo actually learned from his actions to me. Not even adressing him still denying/not taking any accountability for the Katie stuff here but the only thing he seems to be now is the bitter "i hate the smash scene guy". Would have loved seeing him actually move on and finally step out of smash completely but here he is spreading conspiracies about other top players again instead of just shutting up finally.
@@rannynihilius8481how do you take accountability over a baseless accusation by an anonymous person? Zero already owned up to the Skype logs and even Tech condemned him for it. The dude barely even uploads anymore, he's married and cares more about lifting. As for the bitterness, I'd be pissed too if I wasted over a decade on a career that payed really good just to have it ruined over a bad actor spreading mostly lies to ruin it.
@@dannysummers4591 ZeRo once owned up to the chatlogs after being caught lying about them in his first response. ZeRo handled the situation horrible and could still have had a second chance if he didn't lie about multiple details in relation to Katie like not knowing her age from the beginning for example by cherrypicking screenshots out of his response that disproved his lies. He also only won one claim in the courtcase that we all knew was true (Jisu lying about Vanessa's age) while also losing to that woman in more than half of the other cases and having to apologize to her. Also again he once owned up to his mistreatment of Katie before coming back jacked and suddenly denying everything with manipulative language that made it seem like he was a completely innocent victim in this situation which he was just not. I'm glad that he seemingly finally stepped away from social media with his negativity spreading but that doesn't change the hypocritical drama content during his return to UA-cam where he played moral guru against the community that he had used to groom a child. I do not see any real accountability and owning up in the resume of actions that he has showed the world in how he handled everything. ZeRo is not sorry for what he did to Katie but rather sorry that he was caught. He always tried to run away from the consequences by first lying about the extend of his actions towards Katie, then when that didn't work out by banning himself instead being handled by organizers and his sponsors and now by completely trying to erase his shitty actions by trying to focus all the attention of his audience to allegations that were at best only partially responsible for his cancellation and away from the actual thing that got him outcasted. The fact that y'all defenders can only throw her anonymity into the discussion even tho ZeRo showed that the DMs were in fact real in his 1st response and that he tried hunting her down on social media to force her into a legal agreement instead of just respecting that she only wanted to come out with her story of torment without any lawsuit processes or public harassment from his fans is disgusting in it's own right and gripping at straws for his nonexistent innocence. I still hope that he and his family can have a life in peace aslong as he shuts up for good this time. He started spreading an insane conspiracy narrative with Technicals that Leffen tried faking receiving death threats that made him feel unable to enter Big House to somehow sabotage Hax not even that long ago and just got away with it like always when he threw out schizo shit like this. The fact that he can get away with the same things Jisu did to him by just making shit up about others to slander their names without any selfawareness from his audience that so vividly defended the guy when it happend to him is laughable. He sure can live his life now but the destruction of his reputation and UA-cam career is something that he earned from all his cowardly behavior and is luckily not something Technicals can fix with another sad narrative video. The fact that he was still able to make videos to manipulate his audience of children into thinking that he was the victim in all of this, that he "won" the lawsuit and that Katie is somehow nothing but a fake setup on him when he could have just handled his lawsuit with Jisu by being honest about the results and showing that same honesty when he addressed his victim instead of making her live in fear of him and Technicals for the rest of her life with his borderline predatory search for her identity and his urge to nonstop cause unnecissary controvery and fuel drama with his weird agenda content is enough evidence that this guy should be kept away from social media. There was a way for redemption and a second chance for him but ZeRo clearly didn't pick that way but wants you to believe otherwise. Happy for him that he could improve his mental health and phyiscality but that doesn't change the fact that i want him gone for good this time from the spotlight. Hax for example is at least trying to be better and own up to his mistakes even tho he massively screwed up too and is slowly getting reintroduced into the scene after taking accountability. Why couldn't ZeRo have done the same instead of turning into Smash Keemstar?
@@dannysummers4591 i also want to know what is baseless about the accusations when ZeRo made a whole document responding to Katie where he told the reader things about the conversation only he and Katie could understand with context if it was legit. It could have just been baseless had ZeRo just decided to shut up and deny it but he didn't do that did he? I still have parts of his response archived so i would gladly send you paragraphs on paragraphs of ZeRo either giving context to certain messages that he could only know about if they were real, him owning up to certain things, him traumadumping the reader about his abusive childhood to gain sympathy from the reader or him trying to lie about the context of certain screenshots to make him look better that are also pretty easily disproven with the images that ZeRo didn't choose to show in his document via Discord or Twitter :)
@@rannynihilius8481 He didn't lose to Jisu on the charges that were dismissed, they were dismissed because they exceeded California's statute of limitations. He couldn't fight the ice cube allegation in court because Katie is anonymous. The rest of your rambling is just based on the assumption that Katie is telling the entire truth, even though there is no evidence for the most incriminating part. If most of what Jisu and the other "victims" she gathered told multiple lies, then why should I believe Katie by default? Its also stupid and unfair to frame Zero and Tech as "bullies" for wanting to get the full story and settle it legally rather than just letting the social media kangaroo court decide it based on limited or fabricated context as well as personal biases. I also don't see how he wasn't cancelled considering hes banned from all tournaments, banned off of twitch, dropped by his sponsors, former friends/competitors disowned him, and even to this day he still gets hassled by the community anytime he makes any kind of update, good example being Jisu nagging EE to remove his wellness check after he almost ended his life.
As someone who loves Smash but isnt part of the community, I like your podcast a lot. Even if someone doesn't agree with the opinions, you at least express real human thoughts in a community where next to no one is logically consistent or engages honestly. Keep killing it, always great to see non NPC behavior in the gaming space.
I LOVE Maister for his gameplay but I disagree with what he did. And I disagree with Light on thinking it’s natural to let aggression make you say weird shit in the moment. We need to be courteous to each other and also hold our friends to a certain standard. I understand that Maister has some bottled up hate because of all the shit he gets. That doesn’t give him the right to pay that forward. I think the smash scene needs to grow the f up. At summit a while back, Kola popped off so hard against Maister that he punched him instead of fist bumping and ran downstairs and shouted “fuck Mr game & watch!!” in the mic. I saw absolutely ZERO backlash online. I can only HOPE the TO’s or other players sat Kola down behind the scenes and said “that was over the line you need to apologize”. I used to see more wack shit like that for example in the first summits. Light saying something fucked up to Zackray in his first ever appearance in NA for example. I don’t think he would act like that today and I hope he would get called out for it more if it happened today. Void playing mind games with Riddles and pretending he’s gonna pre-game fist bump but leaving the nervous kid hanging. It’s just not cool to do to a young newcomer at their first big event. When you trash talk or low key bully your friends or someone who’s in your social circle that’s fine but showing courtesy to strangers, especially new players should be a golden rule, period. I think if these things in general , and the Kola at summit thing in particular, would’ve been called out more often then Maister wouldn’t have had to get lost in his villain arc thing. It’s all quite sad tbh.
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Smash Ultimate could use more heels now that Marss doesn't compete as much and everybody else is either very chill or nice. Maister doing a heel turn would be interesting, but he can't be attacking the kids
14:58 lmao that was the main thing for me 😭 his fake villain arc lasted only a couple hours then COMPLETELY folded. He was like “this is who I REALLY am.. I’m no BITCH” theeeen does a full 180 🤦🏻♂️. Shout out syrup’s mom. 👍🏻
There was no winning in that situation. Keep that tweet up and keep getting shit for it the rest of his life or apologise asap and get it over with and still get shit on but it blows over after a while. He lost the moment he made that first tweet.
I ran away from home too Cosmos! It's always a little uncomfortable on mothers day. Reconnect if there's something salvageable there, if not, it's cool to not be around people who treat you badly.
Rooting for either Light or Tweek to win this one. Whoever wins that set between the two of them has a great chance of winning the whole thing. Good luck to cosmos as well!
On the note of ZeRo, there's not much that can really be done with all parties. He went to court, owned up to what he could, got his life together, & he's still banned from any official tournaments. & The screenshots of the allegations in question are from 2014 & nothing else has come out since then. What more can he or anyone else do?
The Maister drama is the new most ridiculous smash drama I have ever seen. That that is even something worth mentioning or talking about is crazy. In a sane society that wouldve been a moment where someone in the comments below the video where it was visible wouldve wrote "damn maister angry" and that would be it. You're telling me ZD has been running around the scene for years and other bad examples and Maister talks some trash once and people jump? Bruh those people need to get a life seriously.
The transition from hoes and fresh cut was OD. Bro that had me rolling on the mf floor LMFAOOOO Also holy shit I didn't know about DC may he rest easy, man. I damn near cried 'cause he legit was one of my fave commentators. Jenna Tools clip is such a classic frfr!! Nothing but love
44:00 He's actually making other things like smash videos and everything, it's just that Twitter only gets infuriated when he talks about drama or ban stuff
i might have missed it, but i would advise talking about what you guys discussed in the last metafy exclusive episode so that it entices people alongside calming the confusion about certain topics going un-talked about
Yeah things get heated in competition obviously, but its childish as fuck to straight up insult and disrespect someone, ESPECIALLY after you won. No grace. And yes, its even more embarrassing and idiotic to do it to a literal teenager.
Maister seems like a good dude but he needs to do some growing up. That kind of behavior was ehh when you’re also a kid but as an adult he needs to think before he speaks /tweets lol
Love this convo cause there are so many layers and opinions to it haha, like I said pop off is fine but to someone your age or with someone youre already going back and forth with lmao
@@EEvisu tldr was a long time fan but fell off during the cheating scandal which rubbed me the wrong way. But that right there, what you did with twisting it, is the good stuff I remember
I love lights out and I’m not necessarily saying it’s a bad thing, because it’s y’all opinion and I am just a fan but Cosmo’s take on zero is super biased and a bit hypocritical. In a perfect world both Nairo and zero are banned but there’s none of this secret smash high school war between tech and zeros group and Nairos and the smash scenes group. Would be wholesome if zero, Nairo and tech squashed the beef but I know it’s impossible because of Twitter idiots and smash secrets and corruptions. Though like I said, respect to y’all for giving y’all honest opinions. Great episode. Also fully aware I wrote a book and no one’s gonna read this shit 😂
19:04 yknow it's funny light said this, cause before the tournament maister posted a tweet about how he almost drowned (he kept it vague which is fair), so I wonder if that was the straw that broke the camel's back, yknow?
People who are crying about the Maister Popoff, clearly have never been to an arcade as a kid. If you want to shelter your son, take him to a supervised play date. Keep him out of public competition
The DQ discussion has come up before, but not in the way you think. There has been discussion in the past that top players shouldn't have to play pools to begin with and should automatically be seeded in the top 32 or 64 or whatever to completely avoid these issues because the odds of them losing are basically zero. With the constantly increasing skill floor especially in Melee, upsets are happening all the time, even if it's just one per tournament. You absolutely have to be prepared for a tough loser bracket, that's on you for not being strong enough to make it far enough in winners to begin with. If you don't even have the potential to beat a top player, you don't have a shot at the prize money to begin with and are owed nothing.
Zero is legally absolved, but for some reason gets more hate from the community than someone like Nairo, that apparently has a document that was never seen or heard of. It just feels kind of wrong, y'know?
I was looking forward to seeing Cosmos reignite the flame with Female Kamui (Corrin) after his Japanese adventures, but Yoshidora (who I'm gunning for to win BoBC against all odds) is in his path. Sigh, Best of luck with his Aegis run then.
I get what you’re saying about fresh cut just needs to not upload stolen content anymore and it’ll be fine but it seems they have no intention to stop, they told Box_Matt that they don’t think it’s a problem because there’s repost channels everywhere, that’s what worries me
Correct but I believe that was before some community members explained to em why that's a silly mentality, to my knowledge it hasn't been an issue since, lmk if I'm wrong tho!
@@EEvisu thanks for the response, and a quick one at that, that would make sense I can see them stopping it due to the backlash so I wouldn’t be surprised, I just think it’s a bit weird that it took the community to make them realize that it was wrong but ig there are repost channels everywhere so maybe they genuinely didn’t see a problem, again I just think that’s a bit odd.
Zero just knows he'll always get shit no matter what he says or posts, so i feel like he's just really embracing it at this point and not giving a fuck. I do agree with Light that he should be trying to stray away from this whole "banned content." But as of right now, its what's keeping him relevant, he'll most likely branch off from that soon.
I mean I'd farm banned content too if I beat the allegations. I'm new to the scene so I only know his comeback story which has been cool. He got his life under control and seems to be more happy than a lot of the unbanned players with a much larger channel. Let bro do his thing
I'd say less than a tenth of Zero's content is on the topic of being banned or addresses allegations, and only half is about Smash ultimate or involving Smash ultimate. It's a matter of confirmation bias. Dude's released a myriad of different vids the last couple of months. Health/fitness, smash Brawl, Mario Movie, anime, boxing, react content, food/macros, list goes on. People saying he's farming this content have only seen the two videos involving him exclusively talking about it.
@@thebibleisaxiomatic8178 honestly it's only been like two videos. He made a video talking about Wadi and now he's talking about making a tournament while letting banned players attend (depending) It just means he's making content on things he shouldn't be allowed to. I honestly could care less. I'm glad he's back, and happy. What he did was bad, but he's been gone a long time and is allowed to do whatever he wants.
About Zero, he did something wrong. But he also was kicked out out of the smash community, attempted suicide, and had his whole life ruined. Like when is enough enough? Let him be
What's crazy is the relationship zero has with the community when his situation was all allegations while nairo (for example) is actually confirmed by him to have had relations with a minor, but the community is far more welcoming with him. It's something I don't understand. Top players were allowed to be in his birthday bash without being banned and his situation seems far more serious. So idk, it's just strange.
The main problem I have with Maister shit talking Syrup is that the Ness/gnw matchup is like -2 for Ness. Edit: Syrup didn't even use Ness, look at me I'm an idiot 🤪🤪🤪
Disagree with light about the maister situation. You can be "aggresive"/passionate or whatever about the game but it should never cross the line of being disrespectful. It's like if someone gets drunk and starts doing something inapporiate. Being drunk doesn't excuse the fact that what they did/said was wrong. Just as being passionate/in the moment doesn't excuse the fact that what maister said was disrespectul, especially because it was unsolicited. Its completely possible to pop off and be passionate about the game without disrespecting your oppenent.
I don't want to justify maister, but at the same time, his little predicament could've been because of language barriers. My French teacher went on a field trip with his French speaking students to learn English, and one of them bumped into a lady, she apologized, and the student said "it's f*cking ok." So I'm just sayin.
Is it really a hot take that anyone with substantial evidence of being a child predator should not have any platform in a scene largely comprised of minors? No personal disrespect to you guys, but saying you don't care when Zero's still making and profiting from Smash content is a wack, lukewarm take. Looking the other way when people like this maintain a presence in the community is exactly how this problem continued for so long. "It doesn't matter what I think." Maybe you can't control what he does but you can have an impact. Y'all have a platform too. It's not hard to say something like, "If you support Zero's smash content, I'm not cool with you." Signaling to everyone that it's okay for him to stick around is the opposite of helpful. And if you "don't even know what his situation was" why are you speaking on it? C'mon man
Fair point on some of that, after this long tho its just draining, people have made up their minds if they wanna support someone with their own built in community or not, just giving some takes on the situation cause our audience likes these convos.
Maybe if there was actual "substantial evidence" maybe the "victims" should have taken it to the authorities instead of a kangaroo court via social media. Screenshots can be fabricated. "Katie" has quite literally never existed.
i agree with light about zero. i don't care what he does but like why is it that when i hear about him he's saying something like "oh so and so never liked me but anyways we move" like if he really felt that way he'd move on already i think he used to make decent content
talkin shit? whatever. its comp. i agree! unprovoked? fuck it. how adrenaline is. but folding after?? thats omega corny 😂 doesnt help people think hes corny as is, and he plays an widely-considered corny character. its jus one thing after another LOL
@iceyroo Show me the screenshot where Zero asked the ice cubes to the alleged 14 years old girl Katie then. Let me guess, you can't find it since action speaks louder than words. He still deserves to be banned due to the Skype chatlogs with Katie though.
I just think it's insane ZeRo saying "I'm not letting certain people in because of what they did" do you know what YOU did??? YOU'RE BANNED FROM SCHOOL PROPERTY. YOU ARE WORSE THAN THEM
Light is slowly becoming really good at the whole content spiel at the beginning and ends of episodes
There was an earlier episode where EE mentions that some people are natural entertainers. Light is for sure one of them
Yet he hates streaming and making content but constantly says his future in pro gaming won't last like bro ok MAKE CONTENT THEN
Yo! Spoilers for rps! I gotta stay outa comments before I reach the end. Highest stakes in every episode. :)
Can always trust you guys to keep it real with the topics. It's what makes this pod so fresh. Wish light the best for BOBC5.
ty Alex!
No good luck to Cosmos? lmao
@@jaidsalgado Now you know why I didn't wish him good luck. Lol
I was very impressed with Shoe she was playing crazy
she's awesome, agreed
I thought that was a guy?
@@parasiticmold9827 Biologically yeah. But Shoe identifies as a woman so it's best to respect their identity.
@@americafromsam1674 but like why? Why not respect English grammar and biology? You said yourself. It’s fantasy and your playing into it.
@@parasiticmold9827 bro it is 2023 why tf are u transphobic leave people alone u bum
Leo's projected path to top 8 is Ouch -> KEN -> Miya and then Acola. Dude has to go through the top 2 of Japan and a player he has yet to beat (although I think Leo should clear KEN this time) to get to winners finals.
This isn't even close to free.
RIP DC one of my favourite smash 4 commentators, definitely made me laugh and learn a lot
absolutely!
Man I woulda liked you guys to talk about Kagaribi still, more specifically Cosmos’s experience there
We did on last weekends metafy exclusive episode, was a full breakdown, we only had time to do it there, apologies!
I think ZeRo is actually doing a good job at doing more content other than just the banned stuff, tho I think he knows it pulls in the most views when he does.
I got some discussion points about the convo during the 40:00 minute mark, I watched most of that Zero vid and some of his more recent vids. He said that some banned players will be allowed but not everyone. I'm assuming the banned players that had false allegations or non-illegal stuff will be allowed. He explicitly said any player that did actual illegal things (I.E. Nairo, Ally...) will be barred from the tournament.
Also, I think Zero only has like 3 videos about the "banned" stuff.
yah I think we were just noticing the trend of riding the wave of "ban talk" or content getting a spike in views, not saying its a forever thing, just an observation
The thing about that situation for Zero getting "out" from the "banned" situation is that, he doesn't care for competing anymore, so he is able to talk about the "banned" content without any real problems, and he can also kinda farm the situation, so i kinda don't see the problem with it
He’s doing what he wants outside the smash space, as I said if you don’t care don’t let it bother you, he ain’t poppin up at any events lol, always interesting to discuss tho
@@EEvisu yep, no worries lad, im still one of his fans anyway xD
Bit of a correction. Zero isn't just sticking to banned content. 7 of his last 10 video were about a best of 10, a cool smash set, or not related to smash brothers at all
I know this will come off as a shitty "haha i'm from the future look how wrong you were" comment but ZeRo's last videos being controversy bait or doing the same shitty drama content that was done to him and his general online presence as Technical's mouthpiece and moral guru about the smash community really soured any kind of image that ZeRo actually learned from his actions to me.
Not even adressing him still denying/not taking any accountability for the Katie stuff here but the only thing he seems to be now is the bitter "i hate the smash scene guy".
Would have loved seeing him actually move on and finally step out of smash completely but here he is spreading conspiracies about other top players again instead of just shutting up finally.
@@rannynihilius8481how do you take accountability over a baseless accusation by an anonymous person? Zero already owned up to the Skype logs and even Tech condemned him for it.
The dude barely even uploads anymore, he's married and cares more about lifting.
As for the bitterness, I'd be pissed too if I wasted over a decade on a career that payed really good just to have it ruined over a bad actor spreading mostly lies to ruin it.
@@dannysummers4591 ZeRo once owned up to the chatlogs after being caught lying about them in his first response.
ZeRo handled the situation horrible and could still have had a second chance if he didn't lie about multiple details in relation to Katie like not knowing her age from the beginning for example by cherrypicking screenshots out of his response that disproved his lies.
He also only won one claim in the courtcase that we all knew was true (Jisu lying about Vanessa's age) while also losing to that woman in more than half of the other cases and having to apologize to her.
Also again he once owned up to his mistreatment of Katie before coming back jacked and suddenly denying everything with manipulative language that made it seem like he was a completely innocent victim in this situation which he was just not.
I'm glad that he seemingly finally stepped away from social media with his negativity spreading but that doesn't change the hypocritical drama content during his return to UA-cam where he played moral guru against the community that he had used to groom a child.
I do not see any real accountability and owning up in the resume of actions that he has showed the world in how he handled everything.
ZeRo is not sorry for what he did to Katie but rather sorry that he was caught.
He always tried to run away from the consequences by first lying about the extend of his actions towards Katie, then when that didn't work out by banning himself instead being handled by organizers and his sponsors and now by completely trying to erase his shitty actions by trying to focus all the attention of his audience to allegations that were at best only partially responsible for his cancellation and away from the actual thing that got him outcasted.
The fact that y'all defenders can only throw her anonymity into the discussion even tho ZeRo showed that the DMs were in fact real in his 1st response and that he tried hunting her down on social media to force her into a legal agreement instead of just respecting that she only wanted to come out with her story of torment without any lawsuit processes or public harassment from his fans is disgusting in it's own right and gripping at straws for his nonexistent innocence.
I still hope that he and his family can have a life in peace aslong as he shuts up for good this time.
He started spreading an insane conspiracy narrative with Technicals that Leffen tried faking receiving death threats that made him feel unable to enter Big House to somehow sabotage Hax not even that long ago and just got away with it like always when he threw out schizo shit like this.
The fact that he can get away with the same things Jisu did to him by just making shit up about others to slander their names without any selfawareness from his audience that so vividly defended the guy when it happend to him is laughable.
He sure can live his life now but the destruction of his reputation and UA-cam career is something that he earned from all his cowardly behavior and is luckily not something Technicals can fix with another sad narrative video.
The fact that he was still able to make videos to manipulate his audience of children into thinking that he was the victim in all of this, that he "won" the lawsuit and that Katie is somehow nothing but a fake setup on him when he could have just handled his lawsuit with Jisu by being honest about the results and showing that same honesty when he addressed his victim instead of making her live in fear of him and Technicals for the rest of her life with his borderline predatory search for her identity and his urge to nonstop cause unnecissary controvery and fuel drama with his weird agenda content is enough evidence that this guy should be kept away from social media.
There was a way for redemption and a second chance for him but ZeRo clearly didn't pick that way but wants you to believe otherwise.
Happy for him that he could improve his mental health and phyiscality but that doesn't change the fact that i want him gone for good this time from the spotlight.
Hax for example is at least trying to be better and own up to his mistakes even tho he massively screwed up too and is slowly getting reintroduced into the scene after taking accountability.
Why couldn't ZeRo have done the same instead of turning into Smash Keemstar?
@@dannysummers4591 i also want to know what is baseless about the accusations when ZeRo made a whole document responding to Katie where he told the reader things about the conversation only he and Katie could understand with context if it was legit.
It could have just been baseless had ZeRo just decided to shut up and deny it but he didn't do that did he?
I still have parts of his response archived so i would gladly send you paragraphs on paragraphs of ZeRo either giving context to certain messages that he could only know about if they were real, him owning up to certain things, him traumadumping the reader about his abusive childhood to gain sympathy from the reader or him trying to lie about the context of certain screenshots to make him look better that are also pretty easily disproven with the images that ZeRo didn't choose to show in his document via Discord or Twitter :)
@@rannynihilius8481 He didn't lose to Jisu on the charges that were dismissed, they were dismissed because they exceeded California's statute of limitations. He couldn't fight the ice cube allegation in court because Katie is anonymous.
The rest of your rambling is just based on the assumption that Katie is telling the entire truth, even though there is no evidence for the most incriminating part. If most of what Jisu and the other "victims" she gathered told multiple lies, then why should I believe Katie by default?
Its also stupid and unfair to frame Zero and Tech as "bullies" for wanting to get the full story and settle it legally rather than just letting the social media kangaroo court decide it based on limited or fabricated context as well as personal biases.
I also don't see how he wasn't cancelled considering hes banned from all tournaments, banned off of twitch, dropped by his sponsors, former friends/competitors disowned him, and even to this day he still gets hassled by the community anytime he makes any kind of update, good example being Jisu nagging EE to remove his wellness check after he almost ended his life.
I love listening to these at work, makes my job really enjoyable
As someone who loves Smash but isnt part of the community, I like your podcast a lot. Even if someone doesn't agree with the opinions, you at least express real human thoughts in a community where next to no one is logically consistent or engages honestly. Keep killing it, always great to see non NPC behavior in the gaming space.
Thanks a ton for this comment, not everyone has to agree and that is perfectly fine, glad we got you listening!
I LOVE Maister for his gameplay but I disagree with what he did. And I disagree with Light on thinking it’s natural to let aggression make you say weird shit in the moment.
We need to be courteous to each other and also hold our friends to a certain standard.
I understand that Maister has some bottled up hate because of all the shit he gets. That doesn’t give him the right to pay that forward.
I think the smash scene needs to grow the f up. At summit a while back, Kola popped off so hard against Maister that he punched him instead of fist bumping and ran downstairs and shouted “fuck Mr game & watch!!” in the mic.
I saw absolutely ZERO backlash online. I can only HOPE the TO’s or other players sat Kola down behind the scenes and said “that was over the line you need to apologize”.
I used to see more wack shit like that for example in the first summits. Light saying something fucked up to Zackray in his first ever appearance in NA for example. I don’t think he would act like that today and I hope he would get called out for it more if it happened today. Void playing mind games with Riddles and pretending he’s gonna pre-game fist bump but leaving the nervous kid hanging. It’s just not cool to do to a young newcomer at their first big event.
When you trash talk or low key bully your friends or someone who’s in your social circle that’s fine but showing courtesy to strangers, especially new players should be a golden rule, period.
I think if these things in general , and the Kola at summit thing in particular, would’ve been called out more often then Maister wouldn’t have had to get lost in his villain arc thing. It’s all quite sad tbh.
dag, you would of hated Brawl tournaments lol
Maister wit the W, he said this trash talk is Rated E for everyone 😤😂
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And I am a little less lost, thanks lmao
Smash Ultimate could use more heels now that Marss doesn't compete as much and everybody else is either very chill or nice. Maister doing a heel turn would be interesting, but he can't be attacking the kids
Twitter is comparing ZeRo's tourney to Nairo's birthday bash. Both Cosmos and Light participated. Any comment?
Grown men can attend w/e they want and make their own choices, pretty simple.
@@EEvisu that’s fair but I believe that anyone attending zero’s tournament would instantly get harassed. That’s the whole thing
@@untitled_unmastered I don't disagree with you
@@CaptainFracture you didn’t get my point… anyways
Lights laugh is too funny bro 💀
he sounds like billy sometimes
14:58 lmao that was the main thing for me 😭 his fake villain arc lasted only a couple hours then COMPLETELY folded. He was like “this is who I REALLY am.. I’m no BITCH” theeeen does a full 180 🤦🏻♂️. Shout out syrup’s mom. 👍🏻
lmaooooooo
There was no winning in that situation. Keep that tweet up and keep getting shit for it the rest of his life or apologise asap and get it over with and still get shit on but it blows over after a while.
He lost the moment he made that first tweet.
I want to know what was the tweet
@@Sancnea tbh I think his sponsor told him to do it lol
Maister's trashtalk is a breath of fresh air. At the end of the day he means no harm and it's just part of any competition.
I just realized you three hosts are some of the only top smashers/commentators that don't reply to negative Twitter comments.
who tf cares what text on an app says? people lose their minds on that app, its sad lol
Tweek Talks is Marvel, Lights Out is DC. Love both!
An insult to Lights out lmfao
@@damarihanson3876 I was gonna say... lmaoooo
@@damarihanson3876 these boys are not as relevant shrug😅
@@extonjonas6820 yeah this is fasho racist
Nah Lights Out is MCU
I ran away from home too Cosmos! It's always a little uncomfortable on mothers day. Reconnect if there's something salvageable there, if not, it's cool to not be around people who treat you badly.
It's funny cuz leo and zero do keep in touch lmao but he was right about the fact that leo can't enter for obvious reasons, it be like that 🤔
Rooting for either Light or Tweek to win this one. Whoever wins that set between the two of them has a great chance of winning the whole thing. Good luck to cosmos as well!
On the note of ZeRo, there's not much that can really be done with all parties.
He went to court, owned up to what he could, got his life together, & he's still banned from any official tournaments. & The screenshots of the allegations in question are from 2014 & nothing else has come out since then. What more can he or anyone else do?
The Maister drama is the new most ridiculous smash drama I have ever seen. That that is even something worth mentioning or talking about is crazy. In a sane society that wouldve been a moment where someone in the comments below the video where it was visible wouldve wrote "damn maister angry" and that would be it. You're telling me ZD has been running around the scene for years and other bad examples and Maister talks some trash once and people jump? Bruh those people need to get a life seriously.
ZD recently got banned from an event...
Its def fun to discuss it cause of how far it gets taken, everyone always out for blood lmao
@@legrandliseurtri7495 rightfully so he threw a controller at someone... thats not comparable to telling someone "Lol you bad"
@@DGSnowolf And Maister wasn't banned, he was simply criticized.
@@legrandliseurtri7495 "simply" is putting it mildly but I guess thats simple by twitter standards
props to light for comin thru podcast mins before getting home
I was missing the podcast last week happy it’s back. Keep up the grind them sponsors are going to roll in soon enough
The transition from hoes and fresh cut was OD. Bro that had me rolling on the mf floor LMFAOOOO
Also holy shit I didn't know about DC may he rest easy, man. I damn near cried 'cause he legit was one of my fave commentators. Jenna Tools clip is such a classic frfr!! Nothing but love
ty brother
i checked the battle of bc 5 bracket and apparently light actually has to fight another player with the tag light to get out of pools now
Is it European light? The super ripped dude that plays Palu?
44:00 He's actually making other things like smash videos and everything, it's just that Twitter only gets infuriated when he talks about drama or ban stuff
Maister went full Cobra Kai out here 😂
"Why does ZeRo focus on the drama" podcast episode lists ZeRo name first out of all topics ;D
I have no issue admitting it sells tho lmao
Great episode. Twitter is not a real place.
EE be sounding like the quartering when talking about marvel lmao
LOL
I was worried you guys cut the podcast, glad to see you back! Again, very appreciative that you got controversial topics and don’t hold back!
Is that the official $400 Spheal plushie behind EE btw?
it belongs to Charles, just looks good on my stream lmao
This was a dope podcast. Keep it up
thanks!
i might have missed it, but i would advise talking about what you guys discussed in the last metafy exclusive episode so that it entices people alongside calming the confusion about certain topics going un-talked about
noted, smart!
Yeah things get heated in competition obviously, but its childish as fuck to straight up insult and disrespect someone, ESPECIALLY after you won. No grace. And yes, its even more embarrassing and idiotic to do it to a literal teenager.
Facts did it to an actual child I'm like bruh leave that kid alone 😒
Maister seems like a good dude but he needs to do some growing up. That kind of behavior was ehh when you’re also a kid but as an adult he needs to think before he speaks /tweets lol
Love this convo cause there are so many layers and opinions to it haha, like I said pop off is fine but to someone your age or with someone youre already going back and forth with lmao
@@EEvisu facts not a minor lol
@@EEvisu Where's VoiD? He should be a mainstay
42:00 he recently said in one of his videos, that he actually does have a regular job aside the Yt stuff
EE has never had a serious, thought provoking take in his life I swear
And?
@@EEvisu my point exactly. Your entire platform baffles me
@@JtCoronaOnTheMic ty for being apart of it!
@@EEvisu tldr was a long time fan but fell off during the cheating scandal which rubbed me the wrong way. But that right there, what you did with twisting it, is the good stuff I remember
@@JtCoronaOnTheMic That's fair, I'll... take it! lmao
Dabuz beating Acola if they're meeting before top 8 is a very real possibility tho
Yeah, I don't think they realized that Dabuz Rosa is actually 6-6 game count against Acola.
the king of NY fears no Steve
FINALLY. Light's out is back
Light really bought a new totk switch just to flex on his friend and tell him off😂
1 Sec in and this intro is already goated LOL
I love lights out and I’m not necessarily saying it’s a bad thing, because it’s y’all opinion and I am just a fan but Cosmo’s take on zero is super biased and a bit hypocritical. In a perfect world both Nairo and zero are banned but there’s none of this secret smash high school war between tech and zeros group and Nairos and the smash scenes group. Would be wholesome if zero, Nairo and tech squashed the beef but I know it’s impossible because of Twitter idiots and smash secrets and corruptions. Though like I said, respect to y’all for giving y’all honest opinions. Great episode. Also fully aware I wrote a book and no one’s gonna read this shit 😂
Read and appreciate the feedback/thoughts, everyone is welcomed to contribute here.
@@EEvisu thank you for understanding. I love the the podcast and hope to see y’all brothers succeed and make money 🙏
19:04 yknow it's funny light said this, cause before the tournament maister posted a tweet about how he almost drowned (he kept it vague which is fair), so I wonder if that was the straw that broke the camel's back, yknow?
Cosmos i blame you for making me miss the livestream!! 😂
Edit: iCarly was gas EE had it right
Edit #2: thank you for not spoiling GotG3 yall. ❤
People who are crying about the Maister Popoff, clearly have never been to an arcade as a kid.
If you want to shelter your son, take him to a supervised play date. Keep him out of public competition
😂😂😂
Love another good episode of Lights Out
goated takes, per usual
The DQ discussion has come up before, but not in the way you think.
There has been discussion in the past that top players shouldn't have to play pools to begin with and should automatically be seeded in the top 32 or 64 or whatever to completely avoid these issues because the odds of them losing are basically zero.
With the constantly increasing skill floor especially in Melee, upsets are happening all the time, even if it's just one per tournament. You absolutely have to be prepared for a tough loser bracket, that's on you for not being strong enough to make it far enough in winners to begin with.
If you don't even have the potential to beat a top player, you don't have a shot at the prize money to begin with and are owed nothing.
Zero is legally absolved, but for some reason gets more hate from the community than someone like Nairo, that apparently has a document that was never seen or heard of.
It just feels kind of wrong, y'know?
Another banger episode, also shoe is my goat ❤ thank you guys as always
:)
Return the Switch!
LMAOOOOOOOOOO
I was looking forward to seeing Cosmos reignite the flame with Female Kamui (Corrin) after his Japanese adventures, but Yoshidora (who I'm gunning for to win BoBC against all odds) is in his path. Sigh, Best of luck with his Aegis run then.
Wait Esam quit?
Watching a bit late but yea seeing yall guess battle of bc is pretty funn its crazy sparg0 on top again
Favorite podcast by far.
:)
Light, listen Lights Out at night makes sense. Don't fight it lol.
Light hitting the Yonni with that popoff
I get what you’re saying about fresh cut just needs to not upload stolen content anymore and it’ll be fine but it seems they have no intention to stop, they told Box_Matt that they don’t think it’s a problem because there’s repost channels everywhere, that’s what worries me
Correct but I believe that was before some community members explained to em why that's a silly mentality, to my knowledge it hasn't been an issue since, lmk if I'm wrong tho!
@@EEvisu thanks for the response, and a quick one at that, that would make sense I can see them stopping it due to the backlash so I wouldn’t be surprised, I just think it’s a bit weird that it took the community to make them realize that it was wrong but ig there are repost channels everywhere so maybe they genuinely didn’t see a problem, again I just think that’s a bit odd.
@@grantnicks7377 You'd be surprised how often common sense and good intentions don't go together lmao, all a learning process haha
@@EEvisu THAT'S THE GOAT
@@EEvisu haha, that’s true, well thanks for the productive conversation!
“Love that guy to death” 😬 might not have been the best choice of words
lmao
Where can I see the bracket?
check smash reddit for seeding
One of these days you guys are gonna pull up the bracket before the show starts😂
regarding ltc its a competition exactly
This podcast so lit
Zero just knows he'll always get shit no matter what he says or posts, so i feel like he's just really embracing it at this point and not giving a fuck. I do agree with Light that he should be trying to stray away from this whole "banned content." But as of right now, its what's keeping him relevant, he'll most likely branch off from that soon.
Dave Chappelle does it too about certain stuff, truly a bold strat haha
I mean I'd farm banned content too if I beat the allegations. I'm new to the scene so I only know his comeback story which has been cool. He got his life under control and seems to be more happy than a lot of the unbanned players with a much larger channel. Let bro do his thing
I'd say less than a tenth of Zero's content is on the topic of being banned or addresses allegations, and only half is about Smash ultimate or involving Smash ultimate. It's a matter of confirmation bias. Dude's released a myriad of different vids the last couple of months. Health/fitness, smash Brawl, Mario Movie, anime, boxing, react content, food/macros, list goes on. People saying he's farming this content have only seen the two videos involving him exclusively talking about it.
@@skoolwifi3835 I'm not against what he's doing, honestly I am for it. And I'm happy that he is getting better and posting again.
@@thebibleisaxiomatic8178 honestly it's only been like two videos. He made a video talking about Wadi and now he's talking about making a tournament while letting banned players attend (depending)
It just means he's making content on things he shouldn't be allowed to. I honestly could care less. I'm glad he's back, and happy. What he did was bad, but he's been gone a long time and is allowed to do whatever he wants.
I think the players who were at kagaribi will have the advantage this tournament
I'd agree!
44:30 kinda ironic
Zero supposedly has a good job outside of smash content
Crazy how you didn’t even read the tweet where Syrup’s mom cooked Maister into the next life
Dude I realized this afterwards, I thought I didn’t mention it but that was definitely legendary lol
That mom battered and deep fried maister
Always count on a never dull moment in smash
Lost it when light said he wasn’t going😭
Rest in Power DC
Why the thumbnail go that hard like chill
tryna get those clicks, glad it got you here!
@@EEvisu ay we here for that content really enjoying the uploads 🙌🏼🙌🏼
44:30 this did not age well for Cosmos…
About Zero, he did something wrong. But he also was kicked out out of the smash community, attempted suicide, and had his whole life ruined. Like when is enough enough? Let him be
I think it comes down to ppl who say they dont care about him, care the most, its interesting to follow.
What's crazy is the relationship zero has with the community when his situation was all allegations while nairo (for example) is actually confirmed by him to have had relations with a minor, but the community is far more welcoming with him. It's something I don't understand. Top players were allowed to be in his birthday bash without being banned and his situation seems far more serious. So idk, it's just strange.
@@carlos.cr.7139 cuz zack is a loser and that's why nairo is still allowed
Bruh wheres VoiD? He needs to be a mainstay
we already got a light skin
@@EEvisu lmao 🤣🤣
The main problem I have with Maister shit talking Syrup is that the Ness/gnw matchup is like -2 for Ness.
Edit: Syrup didn't even use Ness, look at me I'm an idiot 🤪🤪🤪
Syrup was using Steve bro haha
@@EEvisu OH SHIT I didn't even know he had a Steve! That'll teach me to comment without knowing wtf I'm talking about lmao
Disagree with light about the maister situation. You can be "aggresive"/passionate or whatever about the game but it should never cross the line of being disrespectful. It's like if someone gets drunk and starts doing something inapporiate. Being drunk doesn't excuse the fact that what they did/said was wrong. Just as being passionate/in the moment doesn't excuse the fact that what maister said was disrespectul, especially because it was unsolicited. Its completely possible to pop off and be passionate about the game without disrespecting your oppenent.
interesting comparison but I see what you're saying
It's a lack of class and only hurts the community when a "top player" is allowed to curse at the competition.
27:03 Yes! That's the truth!
*another banger episode yall. Also can yall pls tell light to let me have that zelda switch pls I don't even got a switch. Ok thx 😶*
Best moment 51:54.
I don't want to justify maister, but at the same time, his little predicament could've been because of language barriers. My French teacher went on a field trip with his French speaking students to learn English, and one of them bumped into a lady, she apologized, and the student said "it's f*cking ok." So I'm just sayin.
Is it really a hot take that anyone with substantial evidence of being a child predator should not have any platform in a scene largely comprised of minors? No personal disrespect to you guys, but saying you don't care when Zero's still making and profiting from Smash content is a wack, lukewarm take. Looking the other way when people like this maintain a presence in the community is exactly how this problem continued for so long.
"It doesn't matter what I think." Maybe you can't control what he does but you can have an impact. Y'all have a platform too. It's not hard to say something like, "If you support Zero's smash content, I'm not cool with you." Signaling to everyone that it's okay for him to stick around is the opposite of helpful.
And if you "don't even know what his situation was" why are you speaking on it? C'mon man
These guys are best buds with Nairo, they literally can't say anything lmao
Fair point on some of that, after this long tho its just draining, people have made up their minds if they wanna support someone with their own built in community or not, just giving some takes on the situation cause our audience likes these convos.
Maybe if there was actual "substantial evidence" maybe the "victims" should have taken it to the authorities instead of a kangaroo court via social media.
Screenshots can be fabricated. "Katie" has quite literally never existed.
You're doing exactly what the podcast hosts criticized lol. Live in reality, not "What ifs".
Do you own smash? Nope lol
Most importantly, It was legally resolved, so Shut up.
Nahh Maister W, Syrup should fr put him in a salty suite and put him on blast, we NEED storylines like this tbh
That be a great run back lol
Yeah I promise a lot of good movies Since end game lol
i agree with light about zero. i don't care what he does but like why is it that when i hear about him he's saying something like "oh so and so never liked me but anyways we move" like if he really felt that way he'd move on already i think he used to make decent content
Bc you don't see his videos lol
C'mon EE, stop being so cool ❤❤
you too!
damn, blast zone died for this?
Light is a top tier hater damn
welcome to the official haters ball 2023 MFer
talkin shit? whatever. its comp. i agree! unprovoked? fuck it. how adrenaline is.
but folding after?? thats omega corny 😂 doesnt help people think hes corny as is, and he plays an widely-considered corny character. its jus one thing after another LOL
I don’t think ‘Ice Cube’ Zero should be hosting tournaments…
Then why does Nairo get a pass? He still makes smash content.
Legally resolved, go play smash in your room 😴
@iceyroo Show me the screenshot where Zero asked the ice cubes to the alleged 14 years old girl Katie then. Let me guess, you can't find it since action speaks louder than words.
He still deserves to be banned due to the Skype chatlogs with Katie though.
I just think it's insane ZeRo saying "I'm not letting certain people in because of what they did" do you know what YOU did??? YOU'RE BANNED FROM SCHOOL PROPERTY. YOU ARE WORSE THAN THEM
Yea he’s not letting certain people in because there’s money on the line. Not hard to understand money talks
@@Ironmanpwnz winning a court case by settling out of court does not absolve this guy from the pedo allegations, stop riding for a pedo
@@deadrottenbird you are what's wrong with this world.
@@deadrottenbird ... It literally does lmao
Court > The entire smash community opinion.
@@deadrottenbird it does, lmao.
cool video
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Rip
The less aggressive Nakat?