The Gospels of Jesus' Childhood

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  • @jonathanjeffreys3007
    @jonathanjeffreys3007 Рік тому +7

    I could listen to you for hours. As a schoolteacher, I constantly strove to present ideas to children in a pleasant informal way that would encourage them to become interested, and therefore to remember some of what I had said. You possess this ability in spades, and what's more, it's natural.

  • @kroelben1
    @kroelben1 Рік тому +1

    Tak!

    • @centre-place
      @centre-place  11 місяців тому +1

      Thank you for supporting the channel!

  • @jetpromys
    @jetpromys 3 роки тому +16

    That was fun. I love these lectures. You hit on some subjects I know nothing about, which makes it very interesting.

  • @myrawells5691
    @myrawells5691 Рік тому +1

    This was wonderful very enjoyable thank you

  • @laurah1020
    @laurah1020 3 роки тому +11

    Great lecture...you are so knowledgeable, and well balanced in your approach to these topics..I really enjoy listening! Thank you for sharing on YT!

  • @MM-jf1me
    @MM-jf1me 2 роки тому +4

    Interesting lecture! Thanks for sharing this recording!

  • @BenM61
    @BenM61 3 роки тому +9

    Thank you for taking the time to answer our questions. I may not agree with your theology but I have enjoyed your lectures.

    • @nosuchthing8
      @nosuchthing8 3 роки тому +1

      We might not be sure about his theology. Hes just presenting his research.

    • @BenM61
      @BenM61 3 роки тому +1

      @@nosuchthing8 For him to claim Muhammad wrote down stories he heard about Jesus and Mary during his trips to Syria is to go beyond research. He has no proof of that but that didn’t stop him from throwing accusations and judgment he had no business doing. His theology and world view maybe requires of him to posit such high flying claims without any proof.

    • @nosuchthing8
      @nosuchthing8 3 роки тому +6

      @@BenM61 Hes just repeating what is reported. Hes not saying he believes it.

    • @BenM61
      @BenM61 3 роки тому

      @@nosuchthing8 If that is the case then why didn’t his research told him to report that almost two billion people believe otherwise.

    • @HistoryandReviews
      @HistoryandReviews 2 роки тому

      All religions are lies

  • @jacqulynnbrookins354
    @jacqulynnbrookins354 2 роки тому +1

    I love every bit of it. All of teaching!

  • @dakrontu
    @dakrontu 2 місяці тому

    At 35:40, the picture of Jesus and his bro James is interesting in that the artist portrayed them as of near identical appearance. I wonder how he fared for having given the game away that the Virgin Birth was just a traditional 'upgrade' as applied to hero figures in the mythologies of the time.

  • @Rose80388
    @Rose80388 3 роки тому +4

    Thank you so much, so glad this was brought to me. So interesting and it explains so much for me I didn’t understand

  • @Rannsack
    @Rannsack 3 роки тому +7

    Stories from several non-canonical gospels are found in the koran. This story of the clay birds, and also the gnostic interpretation that jesus substituted someone else on the cross. It's interesting these Christianity were so influential in arabia in 600AD, long after the west had ruled them non-canonical in 300-400AD.

    • @mugikuyu9403
      @mugikuyu9403 2 роки тому +1

      It makes sense. Some of those Christian’s who refused to consider them non-canonical or ‘heretical’ might have gone to somewhere like Arabia to escape persecution by ‘orthodox’ Christian’s.

    • @tamjansan1154
      @tamjansan1154 Рік тому

      First church was established in Syria.

  • @theitineranthistorian2024
    @theitineranthistorian2024 3 роки тому +3

    unique perspective, historicity usually suffers but you are delicate. visions of you and richard carrier, please!

  • @VSP4591
    @VSP4591 3 роки тому +1

    Nice presentation. Well done.

  • @paulwheatcroft8916
    @paulwheatcroft8916 3 роки тому

    Regarding the slide at 35:03, Ralph Ellis discusses that St Paul and Josephus Flavius are one and the same.

    • @HistoryandReviews
      @HistoryandReviews 2 роки тому

      How would Josephus know Jesus when he never mentioned him. Josephus only mentions Jesus ben Ananias who is the closest thing to the gospel Jesus. The other Jesus’s mentioned are bandits

  • @glenn-younger
    @glenn-younger 3 роки тому +1

    Good talk. Thank you!

  • @andrewsuryali8540
    @andrewsuryali8540 2 роки тому +1

    One correction. God didn't tell the priests to collect all the widowers in Israel... why would He do that? The order was to collect all the descendants of David, which they followed, but the one God chose happened to be the widower Joseph.

  • @seekrighteousness297
    @seekrighteousness297 3 роки тому +3

    many of the Gnostic gospels are well known read the Apostolic writers from from the pre Nicene period they had the books of the bible compiled by 130 to 150 A.D. which is attested to in the writings of the founders of the first churches

  • @kankikankkinen2670
    @kankikankkinen2670 2 роки тому +1

    Is Pinocchio about the stretching wood story

  • @theitineranthistorian2024
    @theitineranthistorian2024 Рік тому +1

    always a pleasure

  • @robertruggiero9999
    @robertruggiero9999 3 роки тому +11

    That the Koran includes stories from the infancy gospel is another pointer that Islam and the Koran was kickstarted from Christian and Jewish teachings. Mohammad and the Koran we know today was then later invented so that the arabs that conquered Jerusalem didn’t have to feel theologically inferior to Christians or Jews and as a means to create a common bond between the wide range of peoples conquered.

    • @andrewsuryali8540
      @andrewsuryali8540 2 роки тому +3

      What are you talking about? Muhammad himself admitted that he was taught by a Christian monk (called Bahira in Islamic tradition). This is preserved in the biographies of Muhammad written by Islamic scholars, except in their case they used the character as a prophet who prophecized Muhammad's future greatness. The Muslims were PROUD of their Christian heritage precisely because they perceived themselves as Christianity's upgrade. This attitude prevailed well into the 16th century when the tides of civilization began to turn against them.

    • @ebojfmdboojoh4023
      @ebojfmdboojoh4023 Рік тому +1

      Or that the Quaran is indeed the true word of God and the infancy Gospel or at least parts of it is also a genuine revelation from God

    • @Johnathan909309
      @Johnathan909309 10 місяців тому

      Watch the video by a Catholic priest called Islam started as a Christian heresy. He's 100% correct

  • @stevenv6463
    @stevenv6463 3 роки тому +5

    The protoevangel of James is also echoed in the Quran where a similar story is told about Mary's background.

  • @Stadtpark90
    @Stadtpark90 3 роки тому +2

    lovely icons

  • @deanluminoid8717
    @deanluminoid8717 3 роки тому +2

    How does the theory that Josephus wrote the gospels sit with you?

    • @nosuchthing8
      @nosuchthing8 3 роки тому +2

      That's very interesting.

    • @JohnDoe-zy6tm
      @JohnDoe-zy6tm 3 роки тому +8

      Josephus has a better grasp of Judaism then is displayed in the gospels. He also writes in a different style then the gospels are written. He also knows the geography of the Levant while the gospels display less knowledge on the subject.
      Based on this I would not agree with Josephus authoring the gospels.

    • @stevenv6463
      @stevenv6463 3 роки тому +2

      That sounds so crazy but myth vision has a video arguing Josephus influenced the author of Luke and Acts.

    • @MM-jf1me
      @MM-jf1me 2 роки тому +1

      @@stevenv6463 These are two very different ideas. I'm convinced by Dr. Mason's argument that the author of Luke-Acts was familiar with Josephus' writings, but I'm not at all convinced that Josephus wrote the gospels. Are you saying that you find these two ideas equally plausible or that you think they're both crazy claims but you've seen one (convincingly?) argued?

    • @stevenv6463
      @stevenv6463 2 роки тому +1

      @@MM-jf1me The Luke Acts author knowing Josephus sounded crazy to me at first until I saw that Steve Mason argues for it. Josephus ghost writing the gospels is very crazy to me but if an academic argued convincingly that a passage (not the whole thing though of course) was lifted from Josephus, I guess I could be convinced.

  • @lauraoverstreet9987
    @lauraoverstreet9987 3 роки тому +1

    I always found it interesting, that Paul was forbidden to go to the east to preach..any thoughts on this?

    • @andrewsuryali8540
      @andrewsuryali8540 2 роки тому

      The East or Asia? The Asia mentioned in Acts is actually modern-day Turkey. Paul did try to move east near the end of his ministry, around 57CE. However, at around 56CE various things were happening in Armenia and around the Roman border, which spilled over to Syria and eventually led to the Romano-Parthian War of 58CE.

  • @dthird3107
    @dthird3107 3 роки тому

    So, the homily during Dec 24th mass about Joseph's ancestry has nothing to do with Jesus since he was born immaculately.

    • @tangokaleidos1926
      @tangokaleidos1926 2 роки тому

      The immaculate conception is about Mary's birth, not Jesus. Research.

  • @alanpennie8013
    @alanpennie8013 3 роки тому +1

    The first verse of Jerusalem consists of four questions and all of them should be answered with a No.
    Is this Betteridge's Law of mystical poetry?

    • @alanpennie8013
      @alanpennie8013 3 роки тому

      Or possibly three questions.
      It depends whether you read question 3 as referring to a moment of epiphany, or as simply repeating question 1.

  • @timothyappleseed2986
    @timothyappleseed2986 11 місяців тому

    The reference to King of Kings may have something to do with Jesus being a Sovereign citizen type along with all of his friends, which would explain why they persecuted the Christian.

  • @dakrontu
    @dakrontu 2 місяці тому

    At 31:45: Praise Jesus, son of God, lengthener of wooden battens.

  • @Eriugena8
    @Eriugena8 9 місяців тому

    In those 30 years, Jesus walked upon the rocks,
    With heathens rolling in ampitheres,
    What to say to FreddyM and GeddyLee,
    Hamer them and Ashes of thee

  • @thetruth4791
    @thetruth4791 2 роки тому

    A man will stand in the Last temple and Proclaim to be God(King of Kings...) And that will Tell us that we are 3 1/2 yrs into the great tribulation...Great Job...

    • @HistoryandReviews
      @HistoryandReviews 2 роки тому

      Revelations is the first century

    • @Am-dh9gq
      @Am-dh9gq Рік тому

      The Jews Messiah is here he might be the one

  • @alvaroovalle312
    @alvaroovalle312 3 роки тому +2

    Mary and joseph are living in Chile

  • @seekrighteousness297
    @seekrighteousness297 3 роки тому

    These books are in The Nag Hammadi which was found in Egypt around Alexandria they are books left over from that library they are Fables made for the purpose of teaching they are not meant to be read as true history like the books in The Bible that's why other books are quoted from but not included in the Bible like The books of Jasher and Enoch they are truth mixed with fable to help explain things that happened that others had hard time explaining we still do the same thing today and also why Paul said 2 Timothy 3:16-17 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for INSTUCTION IN RIGHTEOUSNESS: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works

    • @andrewsuryali8540
      @andrewsuryali8540 2 роки тому

      These books are literally kept in Orthodox and Catholic church libraries for hundreds of years and continued to be copied (and later printed). They are apocrypha, meaning the official church still consider them inspired, just not canonical enough to include in the Bible. They never went into the burn pile. The Catholic Church based their entire Marian Cult on Infancy James.

  • @andylyon3867
    @andylyon3867 2 роки тому

    two different children born 3-4 years apart, one descends from Solomon other from Solomon's half brother Nathan. Such an intense incarnation needed two humans with their combined energy bodies were needed though one child dies, as does one Mary and one Joseph then the two families combine.

  • @alvaroovalle312
    @alvaroovalle312 3 роки тому +2

    Jesus is coming to South America

  • @timothyappleseed2986
    @timothyappleseed2986 11 місяців тому

    When Jesus raises the boy who fell off the roof to life, the boy tells everyone that Jesus didn't do it. Then the boy dies again.
    Well, if Jesus was able to raise the kid from the dead, then couldn't he also make him lie?

  • @jussikankinen9409
    @jussikankinen9409 Рік тому

    Did indians travel egypt

  • @MsRmbrown
    @MsRmbrown 3 роки тому +1

    Very wordy and missing the Holy Spirit guidance....

  • @jamesscott879
    @jamesscott879 2 роки тому

    nice

  • @JamesMandolare
    @JamesMandolare 3 роки тому +8

    I feel the Jewish rebellion of 68-70 ad and the destruction of Herod's Temple is the true root of the Christian stories, born out of the sacking of Jerusalem and the scattering of the Jews. This event effected the history of the world and was the historical seed of the later romantic embellishments that eventually became the Christian writings, a mixture of spiritual "mystery" stories and history. This was the way mystery schools of the ancient world from Egypt, Greece and other cultures were made to appear as historical when they were actually spiritual allegory.

    • @shazgood
      @shazgood 3 роки тому +4

      Yes! The trauma of the sack of the second temple was the key event in Christian origins.

    • @JonathanKofi
      @JonathanKofi 2 роки тому +2

      The destruction of the temple certainly had an effect and definitely shaped Christian stories, but there were already Christian stories circulating at the time. Paul was writing his letters well before the rebellion, and even Mark was probably writing based on traditions he inherited prior to the rebellion (which was probably going on or was impending when he wrote his gospel)

    • @JamesMandolare
      @JamesMandolare 2 роки тому +3

      @@JonathanKofi That is a quaint notion of a true believer. Unfortunately, it is not true. These stories were written decades after the fact "according to...." and the manuscripts that have come down to us in some cases centuries after these times. No this is mythical fiction, using Greek classical stories, Old Testament narratives (borrowed from Egypt and Babylon), and other literary conventions of the day, including using the sacking of Jerusalem to "back date" Jesus so he can "prophesy" the future.

  • @sharonmelsby7679
    @sharonmelsby7679 2 роки тому

    Read a Jewish perspective by ?/Unknown. His idea was of a boy, Jesus going to Jerusalem with relatives for yrs & being known by other boys only who'd seen him yet didn't communicate with to know. Their insults refered to Jesus as unlearned as he wasn't attending the Jerusalem synagogue/s for schooling as mentioned in bible. Jesus goes with his parents at the youngest age boys were graduated/Bar Mitzvah. He would probably have prayed about it & kept quiet towards the boys & insults. He attended synagogue/a in Galilee for extra education, etc. So, Jesus is given place & time after separating from parents & others that were leaving. He goes about the temple & returns each of next 3 days having discussions with the priests & learned elders, God allowing Jesus to be approved for what he knew & was able to answers & understanding to things they couldn't as well. It wasn't mentioned in bible that Mary's mother was still living within the city walls of Jerusalem & other relatives lived near there when it mentions he return daily without bringing up where he went & who he stayed with, etc. The parents returned to the temple & found him. Jesus received high regards/honor from temple men & that is considered his beginning of teaching others. Then returning to Galilee Jesus teaches whenever he can. Awhile after it gets back to his parents. Mary takes Jesus brothers & sister with her to go & bring him home. Shortly after Jesus is allowed to go to ... & returns around 29 AD going 1st to see his cousin John the Baptiser. He was welcomed at synagogues & temple in Jerusalem & considered a priest (reason his followers called Jesus their High Priest in heaven after ascension).

  • @andylyon3867
    @andylyon3867 2 роки тому

    Socrates was in an international society of learning the reached to China, the Magi.

  • @Patrick77487
    @Patrick77487 3 роки тому +2

    Toddler god had temper tantrums. Apparently inherited from OT.

  • @Imjustsayin99
    @Imjustsayin99 2 роки тому

    This is Dan Brown’s church

  • @alvaroovalle312
    @alvaroovalle312 3 роки тому +1

    Mary Magdalene name today is Victoria Eugenia

  • @jounik8980
    @jounik8980 2 роки тому

    What if jesus had twin brother, look same, their father was roman soldier

  • @deni.s.hk1
    @deni.s.hk1 9 місяців тому

    Imagine if people actually realized what ”infancy” and ”mircale birth means”
    Infancy = Childish behaviour
    Miracle birth = Mary was infertile

  • @kankikankkinen2670
    @kankikankkinen2670 2 роки тому +1

    Love ur enemy isnt jewish saying, but buddhism

  • @alvaroovalle312
    @alvaroovalle312 3 роки тому +1

    Mary name today is Rosa Ines

  • @apollo8352
    @apollo8352 Рік тому

    How can you make any of these claims when you know when Mark, Luke and Matthew were written....as for a few sayings being the source from Q material....
    Luke worked for Paul fabricating nonsense to trick the Jews into thinking Jesus was fore filling some silly old prophesies.
    Luke even tells you in Luke 1:1-6 that while he thinks his scriptures are true, they are only recording what unspecified people believed...no eye witness account of anything.
    We do know Jesus and his Apostles, (mates) were members of a massiahanistic group of Jews that were rebelling against Roman Rule invoking the very old prophesy that a messiahs would one day come and save the jews from their miserable existence of course being of virgin birth.
    Idol speculation the whole Jesus claim is idol speculation with not a single eye witness testimony that stands scrutiny,.

  • @jussikankinen9409
    @jussikankinen9409 10 місяців тому

    James and josh where brothers, so is James Jacob

  • @igaluitchannel6644
    @igaluitchannel6644 Рік тому

    There are budddhist, sanskrit and chinese texts mentioning Jesus in India, Tibet and Kashmir. Nobody says that the family of Jesus was poor.

  • @denissutherland3653
    @denissutherland3653 3 роки тому +1

    Luke is a fatuous and false narrative for a start Jesus was supposed to have remained behind in jerusalem and was found discussing theology with the clegy. From that "position" he was so valued that he ended up being crucified!!! Jesus from his birth to when God told him the Good News lived a life just like all humans conceived subject to satan and the Bible says that why don't the know alls actually read the Bible!!!!!Hebrews 2 : 10 - 18 For, in his work of bringing many sons to glory, it was fitting that he for whom everything exists and through whom everything exists, should make the pioneer of salvation fully adequate for his destined work through suffering. For he who sanctifies and they who are sanctified must come of one stock. It is for this reason that he does not hesitate to call them brothers, as when he says : “I will tell your name to my brothers ; I will sing hymns to you in the midst of the gathering of your people.” And again : “ I will put all my trust in him.” And again : Behold me and the children God gave to me.” The children then have a common flesh and blood and he completely shared in them, so that, by that death of his, he might bring to nothing him who has the power of death, and might set free all those who, for fear of death, were all their lives liable to a slave’s existence. For I presume it is not angels he helps ; but it is the seed of Abraham that he helps. So he had in all things to be made like his brothers so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the things which pertain to God, to win forgiveness for the sins of his people. For in that he himself was tried and suffered, he is able to help those who are undergoing trial.
    Hebrews 2 : 14 - 17 “ Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might destroy him who holds the power of death - that is, the devil - and free those who all of their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death. For surely it is not angels he helps, but Abraham’s descendants. For this reason he had to made like his brothers in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people.”
    Hebrews 2 : 18 “ Because he suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.”
    Hebrews 5 : 7 - 10 “During the days of Jesus’s life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death and he was heard because of his reverent submission. Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered, and once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him and was designated by God to be high priest in the order of Melchizedek.”

  • @JesusChristhasrisen682
    @JesusChristhasrisen682 10 місяців тому

    I am who I am Yahweh Christ in the flesh as a man ♂️👑 and I will start a new world religion called truth

  • @LethalBubbles
    @LethalBubbles 3 роки тому +2

    maybe it wasn't Jesus or Thomas that went to India but Didymous Judas Thomas
    Young Socrates apparently has time travel powers and has a dialogue with his older self in one of the Statesman

  • @alanpennie8013
    @alanpennie8013 3 роки тому +3

    All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again.

  • @danielhopkins296
    @danielhopkins296 3 роки тому +1

    This dud is an excellent repeater

  • @seekrighteousness297
    @seekrighteousness297 3 роки тому +2

    The infancy of James is also a very late book around 350-450 AD it was made to prove the ever virgin Mary as the Roman Vatican teaches which is false the Gospels in the Bible say Joseph DID NOT KNOW Mary till AFTER Christ was born so He could have had step siblings also in the past you were not actually married unless you consummate the marriage. In some areas you had to let people witness the Marriage Bed to Make sure that the marriage was consummated

    • @WK-47
      @WK-47 2 роки тому +1

      Kind of. Look up the definition. Consummation only completes the marriage - which is already a marriage by that point - it just legitimises it in such cultures.
      However, we have to be careful not to apply our understandings of medieval European society, for example, to other societies from other periods.

  • @armaundpeacelove5908
    @armaundpeacelove5908 Рік тому

    What proof do you have that the gospels in the new testament are historical? There is no proof

    • @centre-place
      @centre-place  Рік тому +1

      Nobody is making that claim in this lecture.

  • @alvaroovalle312
    @alvaroovalle312 3 роки тому

    Joseph Arimatea name today is Hernan Gomez Marzheimer from Chile

  • @fortunedlamini5102
    @fortunedlamini5102 Рік тому

    I thought you find out about Jesus i had a hope

  • @MahiarByramshaw
    @MahiarByramshaw 3 роки тому

    Talmud of Jmmanuel (Emmanuel)

  • @JasonBurley-gs8sm
    @JasonBurley-gs8sm Рік тому

    A Lot Of Things In The New Testament Are In The Old Testament, Was Christianity Invented Too ?👎👎👎😡😡😡🤬🤬🤬

  • @luizverdecanna8023
    @luizverdecanna8023 3 роки тому +2

    Extremely messy, nobody cared about Jesus when he was a child only after resurrection several tales emerged telling about the past which has no source one can rely for certain. All their Narrations always have the numbers 12 & 40. Noticed 12 clay birds ????

  • @lilalali6753
    @lilalali6753 3 роки тому

    Jesus keeps cursing... Jesus Christ! What a bad boy! I do not know if I should laugh or cry. So much of obvious stupidity... By the way were Judea and India neighbour countries? I am asking this, because the b version would be that he flew from one point to the other without stopping and seeiing any other empire on the loooong way.

    • @MM-jf1me
      @MM-jf1me 2 роки тому

      Judea and India were not neighboring counties; the distance between Jerusalem and Kodungallur (where St. Thomas arrived in India) is 4,837 km (3005.5 miles). No clue how long it would take to travel that distance then or now.

    • @lilalali6753
      @lilalali6753 2 роки тому

      @@MM-jf1me the point was: If Judea and India were not neighbours, then what country was in between them? A - Atlantis, B - Israel, C - Scythia.

    • @andrewsuryali8540
      @andrewsuryali8540 2 роки тому

      @@lilalali6753 Persia. Or in Jesus' time, the Parthian Empire.

  • @amonone399
    @amonone399 3 роки тому +1

    Whitewashing is disagreeable.

  • @jussikankinen9409
    @jussikankinen9409 Рік тому

    Twins do tricks

  • @nasticanasta
    @nasticanasta 2 роки тому

    These ridiculous “gospels” read like the Bhagavad Gita

  • @alvaroovalle312
    @alvaroovalle312 3 роки тому

    Mary magdalenr was jesus Wife