ACF-Brill also made a lot of railroad equipment. ACF was American Car and Foundry and was well-known for building railroad passenger cars. Brill itself was well-known for interurban transit cars that were powered either by electricity or an internal combustion engine. GMC truck and coach pretty much pushed the smaller players such as ACF Brill, KW and Marmon-Herrington out of the coach business because I believe GM would not supply diesel engines to a competitor. Marmon-Herrington did get the contract to repower all of the Scenicruisers with a single 8V71.
Enjoyed this video so thanks for sharing bro. Buses when I was a kid had a front mounted motor beside the driver here in NZ. I remember one we went on a school trip in had a 454 Chev big block V8 engine, sounded awesome.
There weren't many of those KW buses built. Something like 30 I think? Seattle still has one. Not sure how many still exist but it's a small number. That is one of the better ones I've seen, very cool.
A friend of mine had a Flexible like the one in this video. Had it converted when it was new. Then did the same thing later with a new Buffalo. I was fortunate enough to get to drive both from time to time.
Scott where about in Indiana are you from? I'm from the Knox County area and my dad for years worked for I-V Coaches. They ran from Indianapolis to Vincennes and Vincennes to Evansville. Dad was the shop foreman and I remember many many weekends or nights when we would have to go to work with him cause something broke or someone was having issues with their coach. I love watching these videos. Brings back so many memories. I can still smell the grease and diesel fuel covered shop when I watch you work.
This place is so full of history and the older guys seem to love what they are doing. Only thing that worries me is will the younger volunteers will come in and keep it going when all the old timers are gone. I see this happen with all other types of historical groups.
I Instantly called it and knew it was a KW! I should know, rode around with my dad in several of those older Kenworth Bullnose Cabovers with Detroits and that loud air starter all over the country.
AC Brills were more common in the west I think. Our "Metropolitan Transit" had a bunch. Then they bought New Looks/Fishbowls. in the late 60s through 70s/80s. Now they are New Flyer hybrids.
Oh my Gosh!! the old fire truck you photographed came from East Fishkill N.Y. !! I used to work at the old I.B.M. plant in East Fishkill N.Y. from summer 1977 to late summer 2007. Several of my friends were members of 3 different fire departments in the area including East Fishkill !! I would bet they would remember this old truck!! WOW!!! The old busses are way cool too, Never dreamed Kenworth made busses but then Mack Trucks made a few busses too in the day "mid to late 50's' IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY!! John Bellas KC2UVN is my Ham radio call sign.
Thank you for the tour of these awesome rare buses. But ya know....the MCI-8 Americruiser will always be one of my personal favorites, along with the MCI-9 AMERICRUISER II.
I love looking at the old buses well all the vehicles in particular they just have so much character that new vehicles lack back in the early 1970s when I was a young kid I traveled from Guadalajara to Mexico city to see a cousin who was in the hospital and I rode by bus it was a sultana 4 axle two deck with a two-stroke Detroit diesel what a beautiful bus that was they never imported those into the US the closest thing would’ve been a scenic cruiser anyways excellent video thank you for anybody who took the time to read this I’m glad to know that I’m not the only guy who likes buses my friends think I’m weird but then again nothing new
Scott, Have you ever run into a city transit coach converted into an rv with the original 2 speed transmission? There is a version of the Detroit Diesel engine that was designed to mount at a 15 degree angle. I believe the 6-71 was designed as a pancake engine but Detroit sold hundreds of 6-110 engine for use in Self propelled RDC cars built by the Budd Company. The largest user of Budd cars as they were commonly referred to was the Boston and Maine Railroad which owned over 110 Budd RDC cars including their own version of the Budd car model number RDC-9 with no windows on the end cabs and one single 6-110 engine. All the Budd cars were rated at 300 horsepower giving a standard car 600 horsepower per car.
Oh yeah that's a MCI or TMC MC8 Crusader Coach they were built between 1973 through 78 only five years in Production and the MCI MC9 was introduced in the same year replacing the MC8 with 7 big windows
If you Google there some information on Kenworth buses and quite a few pictures. Apparently there are some around that have been restored. I got a lot of hits on Marmon-Herrington, too. I learned some new things about buses! Thanks!
Take it to a self serve car wash (tow it I guess) set the wand to spray wax, and spray down all potential rust, corrosion and dry rot of rubber or plastic, especially the underside.
Scott, have you got any interest in old British buses? I know many are completely different in layout and style to American buses! I'm thinking of AEC, Albion, Crossley, and Bristol! :-) Some of the buses you've just featured look awesome, and to get them back as rolling museum pieces would be brilliant!
Hey Scott, My wife an’ I own a 1987 Prevost coach. It has developed a problem shifting. The Coach has a silver 92 with a six speed Allison. We have it at a shop to try an’ fix the problem, an’ they have reached out to us in helping to source a wiring diagram surrounding the speed sensor and throttle control sensor…. We would really appreciate help! Thank you...
@@BusGreaseMonkey Detroit Series 50.....but too big. At least, the Series 50 and Series 60 Detroits look too big. I love older Detroits, but I do wonder what future regulations are going to do.
The school district where I first began my teaching career was running two 1963 vintage Kenworth Pacific school buses when I started teaching there in 1976. They both used big inline 6 cylinder International gas engines with 5 speed floor shift gearboxes.
Scott you are living the dream up there. Even to see them sitting there is far better than having been scrapped. Thanks for sharing the videos about them.
Thanks for sharing these old buses with your audience and also telling us a little bit about each one of them. Hearing your perspective makes it even more interesting to see these. You have a real eye for Industrial Design features in these old buses; something that alot of people wouldn't even see when they looked at them. Fun!
For the people that find this interesting and do not know anything about buses it would be nice if you would at least I say would be nice if you would at least mention the year model the bus is
Like those rear windows in the KW! Also like the wraparound windshields. That’s even better looking than the old Flxibles. I wonder who borrowed from who concerning the rearend, the Crown or the KW? Because it certainly resembles the Crown rearend-only there are 2 doors on the Crown. When I was a boy, Rose City Transit Co. was running the Old Look buses, here in Portland, And we had trolley lines running to nearby towns, and criss -crossing the City, along with electric buses, overhead wires everywhere. US Alderman was the largest bean and berry grower in the NW, and he leased mainly Crown School Buses from McMinville School District. So we rode Crown Buses 38 miles one way, to pick berries, and later pole beans. Some of the Crowns had gasser 501 Cubic inch Internationals, with unsynchronized transmissions, and some of them were late 40s. And some of the Crowns had diesels. The best looking school buses were the class A Crowns . The bean and berry grower’s initials were USA.
I surely had no idea Kenworth made Buses either. There is a site called Hank's Truck forum. There you will find some good reading on The Kenworth Buses 1920 to 1950...Thanks Scott for the video very interesting indeed. I hope the old Kenworth gets restored one day soon...
Yes that Kenworth bus has some really cute look to it.. Not even 1 bad angle. All those art deco chrome swirls & those rear windows.. IF I had the $20--30 K dollars, it would be money well spent just to see her on the road again. Fascinating tour as I love old buses.Fire engines, old cars too. 'Kenworth' ? -like the trucks right ? A Real dream machine. Hope she does get Saved !
I remember that fire truck from when I was a kid! The department still had it when I became a volunteer! I thought it was gone forever!!! Wow. Thanks man. You just brought me back to the 80s in upstate NY!
I really enjoyed the tour of old buses. The modern ones are so boring when compared to the style of those older buses. At first look, I thought that the KW was a White. I saw a picture of one once, and it looked very similar. I was not aware that KW made a bus like that. It was very cool to see, and I agree with you. It needs to be restored. I have a bus that is also kind of rare. It's a 1948 White Super Power. It used to be a military transport bus and has a 504 CID flathead six cylinder gas engine. I realize that this is not your area of specialty, but I need a set of engine gaskets for it. Do you have any idea where I can get them? Anyway, thanks for the tour.
There is one bus trip I will never forget, it was back in 1955 I was four years old, and my mother and I went from Michigan to Macon Georgia on a Grayhound, I don't remember much about it except we were going through the mountains in Tennessee, before I75 was built, and let me tell you that ol bus was rocking and a rolling, and i got sick to my stomach, my mother yelled at the bus driver, he stopped the bus, took me out, leaned me over the ditch, as i through up, and before long he started throwing up, and that is about all i remember about that part of the trip, so that was my introduction to busses, and it didn't sit too well with me, and my stomach.
Great tour! I could spend hours wandering around here. I never knew KW made buses. I like the Greyhound next to it best. It's good to know this stuff is still around and might be salvaged some day.
I love watching these bus videos one of the few channels I keep a close eye on especially since my dad owned one a few years ago i couldn't tell you exactly what is was but a 60 or 70s model gmc but I scrolls across a video on DEBOSS GARAGE on their war plane video and I saw they had an old bus in there that kinda resembled the KW in yours I believe and I thought immediately of you guys and figured I'd share it with y'all! Any ways thank you guys for the entertainment and history lessons!
i should have known as soon as you said "Hall-Scott" because in early Kenny's they had 6 and V-12 cylinder H-S engines. Here is a pancake H-S engine from a bus. ua-cam.com/video/2YzEikiBi1E/v-deo.html
Now that was fun! I like when you go inside, regardless of condition. Seeing the driver's location is fascinating - some of them have so many buttons and switches. I think you should get a Greyhound Scenicruiser and restore it to show condition! 😃🏆
I would have guessed it was a Brill. I knew KW made busses but the one's I saw were different than that.30 years ago ,I knew a guy that had a 56' brill with a hall scott, he bumped up the governor from 48 MPH to 52 MPH and blew the engine. thanks nice tour.
Enjoyed seeing this collection and one thing I liked seeing is they were all setting on aired up tires. I hate seeing vehicles like these setting on flats and into the ground. Good going Phil.
ACF-Brill also made a lot of railroad equipment. ACF was American Car and Foundry and was well-known for building railroad passenger cars. Brill itself was well-known for interurban transit cars that were powered either by electricity or an internal combustion engine. GMC truck and coach pretty much pushed the smaller players such as ACF Brill, KW and Marmon-Herrington out of the coach business because I believe GM would not supply diesel engines to a competitor. Marmon-Herrington did get the contract to repower all of the Scenicruisers with a single 8V71.
Thanks Scott for the tour.
Enjoyed this video so thanks for sharing bro. Buses when I was a kid had a front mounted motor beside the driver here in NZ. I remember one we went on a school trip in had a 454 Chev big block V8 engine, sounded awesome.
There weren't many of those KW buses built. Something like 30 I think? Seattle still has one. Not sure how many still exist but it's a small number. That is one of the better ones I've seen, very cool.
im guessing late 40's KW bus? What a find that is!
Really cool stuff I couldnt stop watching your videos .keep up the great work
A friend of mine had a Flexible like the one in this video. Had it converted when it was new. Then did the same thing later with a new Buffalo. I was fortunate enough to get to drive both from time to time.
Scott where about in Indiana are you from? I'm from the Knox County area and my dad for years worked for I-V Coaches. They ran from Indianapolis to Vincennes and Vincennes to Evansville. Dad was the shop foreman and I remember many many weekends or nights when we would have to go to work with him cause something broke or someone was having issues with their coach. I love watching these videos. Brings back so many memories. I can still smell the grease and diesel fuel covered shop when I watch you work.
I was hoping you'd walk around and show us some of the rest of the collection here...and you did exactly that. Kudos!
This place is so full of history and the older guys seem to love what they are doing. Only thing that worries me is will the younger volunteers will come in and keep it going when all the old timers are gone. I see this happen with all other types of historical groups.
I was looking for tail lights like that the say "STOP" from that first bus :)
I would redo all three of those buses in a heartbeat
Way cool Scott! Thanks for the tour.
I Instantly called it and knew it was a KW! I should know, rode around with my dad in several of those older Kenworth Bullnose Cabovers with Detroits and that loud air starter all over the country.
I noticed that 4104 had Washington plates on the rear.
I am a big Flxible fan. Went cross country in one back in 63. Great look.
My earliest memory of buses was riding on a Brill bus in 1954 with my mother. Do you ever see them?
AC Brills were more common in the west I think. Our "Metropolitan Transit" had a bunch. Then they bought New Looks/Fishbowls. in the late 60s through 70s/80s. Now they are New Flyer hybrids.
Baltimore bought 161 Brill transit buses in the late 1940's with Hall Scott gas engines.
A lot of fun to see all of them thanks for the video. Some one might be able to get some stuff together .
Oh my Gosh!! the old fire truck you photographed came from East Fishkill N.Y. !! I used to work at the old I.B.M. plant in East Fishkill N.Y. from summer 1977 to late summer 2007. Several of my friends were members of 3 different fire departments in the area including East Fishkill !! I would bet they would remember this old truck!! WOW!!! The old busses are way cool too, Never dreamed Kenworth made busses but then Mack Trucks made a few busses too in the day "mid to late 50's' IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY!! John Bellas KC2UVN is my Ham radio call sign.
I was equally surprised John. I live in PA now but spent 28 years living in Hopewell Jct. and working at the IBM E. Fishkill complex
too.
Yeah I saw that. I'm from Albany myself, but have been through fishkill plenty of times.
Love the fire truck, I lived in East Fishkill for 15 years!
Thank you for the tour of these awesome rare buses. But ya know....the MCI-8 Americruiser will always be one of my personal favorites, along with the MCI-9 AMERICRUISER II.
Wow, I would love to own one of these vintage babies. Nice.
The green and white bus has the logo of the round circle with the T. This is I believe a bus from the Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority.
Very cool vintage collection
Wow. Thank you Scott. Great walk through.
I like the Kenworth bus also it is so cool
Cool stuff.
And right you are, never knew Kenworth made a bus. Cool looking iron.
I love looking at the old buses well all the vehicles in particular they just have so much character that new vehicles lack back in the early 1970s when I was a young kid I traveled from Guadalajara to Mexico city to see a cousin who was in the hospital and I rode by bus it was a sultana 4 axle two deck with a two-stroke Detroit diesel what a beautiful bus that was they never imported those into the US the closest thing would’ve been a scenic cruiser anyways excellent video thank you for anybody who took the time to read this I’m glad to know that I’m not the only guy who likes buses my friends think I’m weird but then again nothing new
Cool old buses hope they cover the broken glass to keep the weather out.
That Kenworth is exquisite.
Scott,
Have you ever run into a city transit coach converted into an rv with the original 2 speed transmission?
There is a version of the Detroit Diesel engine that was designed to mount at a 15 degree angle.
I believe the 6-71 was designed as a pancake engine but Detroit sold hundreds of 6-110 engine for use in Self propelled RDC cars built by the Budd Company. The largest user of Budd cars as they were commonly referred to was the Boston and Maine Railroad which owned over 110 Budd RDC cars including their own version of the Budd car model number RDC-9 with no windows on the end cabs and one single 6-110 engine. All the Budd cars were rated at 300 horsepower giving a standard car 600 horsepower per car.
Oh yeah that's a MCI or TMC MC8 Crusader Coach they were built between 1973 through 78 only five years in Production and the MCI MC9 was introduced in the same year replacing the MC8 with 7 big windows
Cool Buses
Pure History. love it.
Really cool buses, I've always like any kind of equipment but never thought about buses till I discovered your channel. Is that Lincoln V 12?
If you Google there some information on Kenworth buses and quite a few pictures. Apparently there are some around that have been restored. I got a lot of hits on Marmon-Herrington, too. I learned some new things about buses! Thanks!
Take it to a self serve car wash (tow it I guess) set the wand to spray wax, and spray down all potential rust, corrosion and dry rot of rubber or plastic, especially the underside.
Holly Molly bus heaven
I've seen KW busses on YT before in the Grey Hound Livery, not sure where it was, though it was a few years ago.
Where is this? I grew up in Fishkill - very cool to see the East Fishkill fire truck.
Scott, have you got any interest in old British buses? I know many are completely different in layout and style to American buses! I'm thinking of AEC, Albion, Crossley, and Bristol! :-)
Some of the buses you've just featured look awesome, and to get them back as rolling museum pieces would be brilliant!
Nice tour my favorite is by far the scenic cruise flexible. Too bad you didnt show us more of it.
Hello. Please tell me where this is located. I used to own one of those buses. Thank you
I want to go there
At 2:00, I wish I had the time left as I'd love to own that Baby GM.
Where do u keep findin these great busses. I love the old ones. The united tracrion company had some great ones
Hey Scott, My wife an’ I own a 1987 Prevost coach. It has developed a problem shifting. The Coach has a silver 92 with a six speed Allison. We have it at a shop to try an’ fix the problem,
an’ they have reached out to us in helping to source a wiring diagram surrounding the speed sensor and throttle control sensor…. We would really appreciate help! Thank you...
You have a bad transducer.
How long did KW build buses? Thanks for the tour.
Maybe a Hollywood filmmaker might have a need for an original, restored bus from that era-they might throw a few bucks at the project.
Are any of these for sale?
Nice
it wouldn't be hard to bend some Plexi to replace that KW's windshield. get it weather tight at least.
i like them old vehicles all of them including them old buses
Is there a younger generation that’s going to take that place over one day?
Love to get my hands on one
I've never heard of a Hall Scott engine before...?? Anybody have any info on it? Love your vids! If you're ever back to Michigan, love to help out!
ACF-Brill buses had Hall Scott underfloor pancake engines.
Thanks.
Stacks and stacks of brake liners.
are any of these for sell
The rear windows look like sunglasses
Not to be nitpicky, but it's Kenworth, not Kentworth.
2:44 Maybe you're getting old. 3:56 Space-saver spare? 5:33 Looks mostly like a Crown.
Someone, PLEASE save that Kenworth :/
Cool
The first bus could benefit from a Cummins 6BT swap. Allison AT wouldn't hurt either.
Hey we don’t talk about Cummins on here ;)
@@BusGreaseMonkey Detroit Series 50.....but too big. At least, the Series 50 and Series 60 Detroits look too big. I love older Detroits, but I do wonder what future regulations are going to do.
Small ass gas in a big ass bus
Thank You !
The school district where I first began my teaching career was running two 1963 vintage Kenworth Pacific school buses when I started teaching there in 1976. They both used big inline 6 cylinder International gas engines with 5 speed floor shift gearboxes.
What the hell?!? I had no idea Kenworth ever made buses! That's insane! And awesome!
The 2 best things about old buses are the styling and the history. Thanks for sharing.
Some one should hit up Ken worth and see if they would do a deal to restore that bus.
Thatd be cool
Love that High-Level Flexible!! That's a cool unit!
5:17 THat Bus Is or Might be a AFC BRILL.
Hate to bust ya bubble, but he shows the data plate at 7:20.
Scott, I no longer have to wonder what your version of Heaven would look like !
Imagine if they wee all in good running condition!
I kind of like the little baby GM, but the mid-engine one could take a motorcycle or two in the big trunk. Very cool.
If only they could talk, I could imagine the stories these old girls could tell.
Scott you are living the dream up there. Even to see them sitting there is far better than having been scrapped. Thanks for sharing the videos about them.
Thanks for sharing these old buses with your audience and also telling us a little bit about each one of them. Hearing your perspective makes it even more interesting to see these. You have a real eye for Industrial Design features in these old buses; something that alot of people wouldn't even see when they looked at them. Fun!
Very cool collection of vintage bus history. Of course, "the stories those buses could tell"!
For the people that find this interesting and do not know anything about buses it would be nice if you would at least I say would be nice if you would at least mention the year model the bus is
Like those rear windows in the KW! Also like the wraparound windshields. That’s even better looking than the old Flxibles. I wonder who borrowed from who concerning the rearend, the Crown or the KW? Because it certainly resembles the Crown rearend-only there are 2 doors on the Crown. When I was a boy, Rose City Transit Co. was running the Old Look buses, here in Portland, And we had trolley lines running to nearby towns, and criss -crossing the City, along with electric buses, overhead wires everywhere. US Alderman was the largest bean and berry grower in the NW, and he leased mainly Crown School Buses from McMinville School District. So we rode Crown Buses 38 miles one way, to pick berries, and later pole beans. Some of the Crowns had gasser 501 Cubic inch Internationals, with unsynchronized transmissions, and some of them were late 40s. And some of the Crowns had diesels. The best looking school buses were the class A Crowns . The bean and berry grower’s initials were USA.
I surely had no idea Kenworth made Buses either. There is a site called Hank's Truck forum. There you will find some good reading on The Kenworth Buses 1920 to 1950...Thanks Scott for the video very interesting indeed. I hope the old Kenworth gets restored one day soon...
I wish you had gone in that flex. I'd love to see them all. Thanks for sharing.
Yes that Kenworth bus has some really cute look to it.. Not even 1 bad angle. All those art deco chrome swirls & those rear windows.. IF I had the $20--30 K dollars, it would be money well spent just to see her on the road again. Fascinating tour as I love old buses.Fire engines, old cars too. 'Kenworth' ? -like the trucks right ? A Real dream machine. Hope she does get Saved !
Thank you for making these videos
Hi Scott I bought a 4905 for i Rochester bus lines a bout 4 years a go.i have a 4108 to i
I remember that fire truck from when I was a kid! The department still had it when I became a volunteer! I thought it was gone forever!!! Wow. Thanks man. You just brought me back to the 80s in upstate NY!
Neat old buses ! Thanks for posting ...!
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At 9:25 is that T like the ones from here in Boston? So cool if that was an old
Boston bus
I was thinking the same thing. Never rode the Old Look "T" buses but definitely rode on the New Look Fishbowls they ran for years.
I really enjoyed the tour of old buses. The modern ones are so boring when compared to the style of those older buses. At first look, I thought that the KW was a White. I saw a picture of one once, and it looked very similar. I was not aware that KW made a bus like that. It was very cool to see, and I agree with you. It needs to be restored. I have a bus that is also kind of rare. It's a 1948 White Super Power. It used to be a military transport bus and has a 504 CID flathead six cylinder gas engine. I realize that this is not your area of specialty, but I need a set of engine gaskets for it. Do you have any idea where I can get them? Anyway, thanks for the tour.
There is one bus trip I will never forget, it was back in 1955 I was four years old, and my mother and I went from Michigan to Macon Georgia on a Grayhound, I don't remember much about it except we were going through the mountains in Tennessee, before I75 was built, and let me tell you that ol bus was rocking and a rolling, and i got sick to my stomach, my mother yelled at the bus driver, he stopped the bus, took me out, leaned me over the ditch, as i through up, and before long he started throwing up, and that is about all i remember about that part of the trip, so that was my introduction to busses, and it didn't sit too well with me, and my stomach.
Great tour! I could spend hours wandering around here. I never knew KW made buses. I like the Greyhound next to it best. It's good to know this stuff is still around and might be salvaged some day.
I love watching these bus videos one of the few channels I keep a close eye on especially since my dad owned one a few years ago i couldn't tell you exactly what is was but a 60 or 70s model gmc but I scrolls across a video on DEBOSS GARAGE on their war plane video and I saw they had an old bus in there that kinda resembled the KW in yours I believe and I thought immediately of you guys and figured I'd share it with y'all! Any ways thank you guys for the entertainment and history lessons!
Loved the tour Scott, more please!!
i should have known as soon as you said "Hall-Scott" because in early Kenny's they had 6 and V-12 cylinder H-S engines. Here is a pancake H-S engine from a bus. ua-cam.com/video/2YzEikiBi1E/v-deo.html
K W ?🤔
Now that was fun! I like when you go inside, regardless of condition. Seeing the driver's location is fascinating - some of them have so many buttons and switches. I think you should get a Greyhound Scenicruiser and restore it to show condition! 😃🏆
I would have guessed it was a Brill. I knew KW made busses but the one's I saw were different than that.30 years ago ,I knew a guy that had a 56' brill with a hall scott, he bumped up the governor from 48 MPH to 52 MPH and blew the engine. thanks nice tour.
Have you ever seen a 1928 Pickwick Nite Coach?
Pickwick Motor Coach Works Ltd., 1923-1933; El Segundo, Inglewood & Los Angeles, California.
Enjoyed seeing this collection and one thing I liked seeing is they were all setting on aired up tires. I hate seeing vehicles like these setting on flats and into the ground. Good going Phil.