Why Reform UK Is Unlike Any Other Party
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We've heard a lot about Reform UK recently, especially as their polling is similar to that of the Liberal Democrats - at around 10%. But, where has Reform come from, and what do they even stand for?
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Well given the Tories have been engaged in a decade long process of self-mutilation by going through four PMs in a row while enjoying a majority, someone was bound to show up to pick up the disaffected voters on the fringes.
And the entire party is “fringes”
Has anyone ever wasted such a big majority before? I remember after the election it was generally believed it would take Labour at least 10 years to recover. It's amazing that the tories used their majority so badly
A majority that Boris obtained and not the Tory party. They got rid of the goose that lays the golden egg and along with it the Boris won majority.
Seriously, it's the bulk sides, the love handles, if you will. Many, many life-long Tory voters are fuming right now. There is no conservative party in the UK apart from Reform UK. All we got is high taxes, more welfare culture and mass immigration that is set to make the true British a minority on their own island eventually.@@andylewis7360
They had absolute power, true electoral dictatorship. Every party's dream scenario. And they absolutely f*c*k'd it.@@jamesarnold7253
Seems a little similar to what happened to Canada’s conservatives in the 1990s. They faced a MASSIVE (178 seats down to 2 seats) defeat in parliament. The Bloc Québécois formed official opposition and the « Reform Party of Canada » came in third .
In the UK Labour will likely win a 1997 style landslide and the Liberal Democrats could go back to around their 2005 levels and form the official opposition.
Yeah I think TLDR made this comparison before.
I’m very familiar. Kim Campbell’s Progressive Conservative Party were annihilated in spectacular electoral fashion and eclipsed by the Reform Party of Canada. Bloc Québécois was also a newly founded party and like you say, their party leader became Leader of the Opposition. This was bizarre for a nationalist party that stood candidates only in Quebec. It’d be like the SNP leading the opposition in the United Kingdom. The Reform Party of Canada would be succeeded by the Canadian Conservative-Reform Alliance and this political party would still beat the Progressive Conservative Party at the polls. However, these two parties were splitting the conservative voting base and eventually they agreed to merge thus the Conservative Party of Canada was founded.
@@jackwilliamsmith8734 is that this same party under Pierre Poilievre that seems to come in power soon ? i heard that Trudeau became very unpopular, i know that edgy comment sections with comments from the whole anglo saxon world under Jordan Peterson and Joe Rogan videos must not be confused with what the canadian people actually think, but with spiralling housing crisis and cost of living crisis, to which Trudeau's answer is to not touch its neoliberal doxa while pretending to be progressive with crazy and ridiculous identity politics that only gets the right wing pissed, while at the same time the opioids crisis is spreading in Canada.
And now they have an 99.9% chance of winning an majority victory. Go Pierre
Why is Reform UK unlike other parties? The other parties are parties.
I for one look forward to the day we elect our first privately owned corporation into government /s
Watch the video.
Dissimilarities come in many ways.
Keep voting for the establishment and getting nothing in return.
deform uk is funded by putin
and they have parties, when they are not supposed too 😂😂😂😂😂
I think you missed out on their immigration focus. Although they aren't explicit about how they will achieve it immigration is clearly the hill they would die on and the main source of their support.
Are they explicit, i.e. detailed about anything?
They are just a bunch of xenophobics.
@@michaelblower7363 Still better than bunch of self-hating virtue signalers...
It is the main source of our issues. A lot of vacancies that the gov has been trying fill with mass immigration is quite literally sourced from the mass immigration itself. We’re not getting the doctors or engineers we’re getting dependants, meaning that for every NHS job that needs filled and is filled by an immigrant, they bring their whole families (who create more pressure on schools the NHS and other public services). Additionally, house prices haven’t been this bad as compared to the average wage since 1876, you must be choosing ignorance to think that not building anymore housing and then importing 10 million people within a decade wouldn’t drive up house prices and that’s just an add on from 2008.
They likely didn’t mention it because immigration is their campaign issue whereas the video concerns their actual agenda.
To be fair. Labour haven’t explained how they will go about their pledges either, and diluted them to “mission statements”
Tbf i dont think labour hate migrants 😂
@@nicks4934 neither does Reform.
@@nicks4934 Are migrants the solutions to UK problems?
@@nicks4934Neither does Reform? Legal and high skilled immigration is key for any Globalist Nation however ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION and PEOPLE SMUGGLING is NOT okay.
Our soft laws on kicking these criminals out also need reform.
@@hhhpolo3551they certainly paper over the cracks of declining birthrates and the useless comprehensive education system and general state of demoralisation that prevents people from going into essential jobs. They don't solve the problem and they cause issues themselves but we lose them at our own peril.
Ah yes, the mysterious "cut spending" that comes out of nowhere, it is just the tories all over again lol
Same with immigration. Until they deal with the need for immigrants reducing immigration will never happen.
They've actually given a whole bunch of ways quite, specifically in many cases with numbers and all, in previous interviews. I couldn't tell you if those numbers and strategies are accurate and good, I'm just a comment, but they do seem to at least be trying to be more legit than the tories
It's the classic right wing politics of 'cut spending but spend more'
I actually disagree on this! I believe that there’s an incredible waste by governments and councils. And that they could easily make budget cuts, that if done correctly wouldn’t have any effect on the economy or individuals. To be fair as-well £5 out of every £100 sounds pretty feasible!
Remove immigrants. It has costs us countless billions and social damage.
So they want to give a huge amount of money to healthcare (and a lot of it to private healthcare) while at the same time do a massive tax-cut. That promises to be a budget as epic as the one Truss the Lettuce came up with.
This is possible as there is lots of money going to projects and departments that we don’t need a lot of our tax money is being wasted reform uk is promising to look at where the money is being spent and any project or department that we don’t need or is a waste of money they will either reduce its budget or get rid of it saving money
Someone needs to study the "Leffar Curve". Lowering taxes does not need to create a lower tax income, usually it inceases after a while.
@@thomasbootham2707 You don't REALLY believe that there are departments we "don't need" that are receiving tens of billions of pounds... do you? Because it would take tens of billions to fulfil those promises.
But this is standard rhetoric for every party not in power. Everyone promises to make magical savings by 'cutting inefficiency', blah blah, and deliberately overestimating what might be achieved. Then, if they get into power, all that evaporates. It's just populist nonsense. @@thomasbootham2707
@@theravyneffect3610 These people never look at the actual expenditure of the government - so they have no idea the absurd amount of money that goes to health already
Reform are very strategic, as they know they don't expect to win the upcoming GE, instead expect Labour to win inturn permanently ending the Conserative party and taking their votes.
Btw good on TLDR for actually visually showing their policies directly from their site and not making it some ambiguous biased description.
Simply existing right now is strategy for them? What? 😂What policies aswell? Last time I checked they wanted to introduce healthcare stamps. They haven't got a clue.
@@wellardgerrard Existing? Brudda are you not paying attention, Reform are already winning over Conservative votes. Reform just need to bide their time and watch Labour do the exact same amount of damage the Tories have been doing as Labour don't have any real radical policies.
Re NHS: "Patients will receive a voucher for private treatment if they can't see a GP within 3 days. For a consultant, the time limit would be 3 weeks. For an operation, 9 weeks."
Mate just go to Google type Reform UK Policy and have a read for yourself, it don't need to be this vague, forbidden text no one is allowed to see for themselves. Or if you struggle with that just ask and I shall respond.
@@wellardgerrard Existing? Brudda have you not been paying attention, Reform are already winning over Conservative vote. Reform just needs to bide their time and watch Labour do the exact same damage the Tories have been doing, as they have no real radical policies.
Re NHS: "Patients will receive a voucher for private treatment if they can't see a GP within 3 days. For a consultant, the time limit would be 3 weeks. For an operation, 9 weeks.
My guy, just Google Reform UK policy and have a read for yourself, it doesn't need to be this vague, forbidden piece of text that no one is allowed to read. Or if you struggle with that just ask and I shall respond.
They are a bunch of chancers and clowns. But carry on people keep voting for shite.
People are outraged at Reforms ideas, but if the Conservative Party were actually Conservative, then there wouldn't be a need for Reform UK. As it is, there's basically no difference between the Tories and Labour. Hard working Brits feel like we're being squeezed and squeezed; with the main 2 parties offering zero policies that benefit us.
Conservatism refers to being cautious and careful in your actions, and rejecting rapid change. Attempting to halt immigration trends overnight, cut government spending by orders of magnitude and directly interfere with primary and secondary school curricula are all very radical policies. They are not conservative policies, they are reactionary - aiming to reverse current trends through radical change.
Social conservatism champions the same views as it did in the fifties, in respect to religion & demographics, the main issues for people who call themselves socially conservative, is inflexible and fringe.
Last time around - Split the left
This time - Split the right
Well with SNP basically dead, a lot of former SNP seats are likely to return to Labour. PC has no problem tactical voting for Labour as long as Labour earmarks enough funding for Wales.
The left are still split?
we will always be split. I am a commie, so according to the liberal political spectrum, I am far left. I am not a ML (marxist leninist) nor an anarchist and of course not a social democrat. I am an Ultra, a member of the ICP. Even the far left in the left are split, so we will always be split and it's great. Half of us know (except sucdems and anarchists) that communism can't be voted in through represetive democracy. @@SaintGerbilUK Idealogical people will always be split. Left is known to be way more idealogical than the right who are mostly s h e e p single issue voters.
@mycodingchannel9690 the last sentence you spouted is utter rubbish.
@@mycodingchannel9690 ideologues don't live in reality.
They will split tory vote so much its now probable that they (torys) if labour and LibDem vote tacticaly could be left with only 9 seats
I'm not saying you're wrong but what is this based on? I haven't seen any polling/by election performance from reform to suggest they're actually capable of securing that many votes. Even in 2015, when ukip got 3 million votes, it didn't make that kind of impact.
oh no not the precious tories who fall over each other to sell out their voters time after time
Every time our hopes rely on the general voting population voting "tactically" I assume we're going to fail. Again.
what a pity
Good 😂😂😂
Say what you will about Farage and I'm not exactly a fan to put it lately. But the guy knows how to read the political situation and take advantage of it. One of the things he has said recently is the Tories might be facing a 100-year kind of event where they might be completely teared up in pieces and Reform UK taking the place as the opposition to Labour
Can't see it being Reform at the next election, there's a very good chance it will be Lib Dems (or maybe SNP if they can recover themselves).
The non-populist right wing is being replaced everywhere else, it would be no surprise if the Tories suffer the same fate.
Farage is a professional grifter. Being cunning and be able to read your vicitim (in this case the right wing electorate) is a necessary job-skill.
its easy to be a goblin, its someone else that cleans up the mess
It does help when you have the target audience he has. Other parties have to have well thought out policies and plans, he can just rattle his keys to keep their attention
BREAKING.... Lee Andersok has joined Reform UK
Breaking: Nobody cares
@@krisdaschwab912 It does mean reform party has it's first ever MP, so, I do think somebody cares.
@@Nabium For a whole... what... 9 months max?
@@SamPhoenix_ Nine months more than no months, which legitimises them in the upcoming election.
You desperately want this to not matter at all, so you project that onto the situation instead of being objective.
and he is right about islam
Me at the start of the video: _I thought it was just another vehicle for Nigel Farage's ambitions?_
Me midway through the video: _Oh, he's gone._
Me at the end of the video: _No he isn't._
They are NOT a party. They are a privately owned company.
And doesn’t it just scare you to bits how successful they’ve become?…
@@spoonkus5893 Successful? Far from that. Last thing the country needs is a corporation running it.
@@spoonkus5893 Because 10% of the electorate are bigotted vermin. No surprise there.
@@spoonkus5893 Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. oh wait you're serious let me laugh harder. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
@@SamLowryDZ-015 where’s the lie?
The people that brought you Brexit, proving that you can fool the same people twice as long as you change the party name.
Reform had nothing to do with the implementation of Brexit. They were not in parlement or government. The implementation was set to fail due to the Tories fucking it up, like everything. Putting people in charge of Brexit that voted against it. Dirty tricks.
Brexit was the biggest shock to the neoliberal globalisation system ever. The entire ruling class was devastated. It's a pity you didn't have the guts to get behind it
No.. just no..
@@jonathonhoggarth6473 are you still one of the fools that think Brexit was good or insist its ‘just not done right’ in some vague nonsense way?
@@jonsmith5058Are you one of those people still bloody banging on about Brexit after 8 years?
I would love you to do a short video like this on all of the parties. Especially with a general election looming
Reform UK = cut the NHS waiting lists, by getting rid of the NHS.
Smartest american ever
Are you saying that is what should happen, in which case I strongly disagree with you, or are you saying that's what Deform UK will do, in which case you're probably right?
The Tories' policy is to cut NHS waiting lists by waiting for people to die.
@@erikzoe1 Edited my original post
The left have been saying the EXACT same thing about the Tories for 14 years. When is the NHS disappearing exactly? Do you have a timeline? You would think if a party was hell bent on getting rid of the NHS they would do it pretty sharpish. Stop talking bull. Every election prats like you come out with the same old "They'll sell the NHS" crap and it never happens. Get a new slogan. Nobody with more than 2 brain cells believes you anymore.
could you guys please do a similar videos on other small partys
Like the Monster Raving Loony Party, who wanted to introduce a 99p coin? Yes Please!!!!!
So they want to reform everything, but with actually having any solid ideas as to what they’d reform then into. Kind of like brexit. Make the change and they hope you can work out what that change is afterwards
Not only that, it's even the same people who told many of the Brexit lies 😂
@@_jpgreform democracy to nationalism
With every far right party is answer is always the same, they are all authoritarian Fascists.
Hey now, they have detailed some of the plans. ... And they are genuinely moronic plans.
Oh, they know exactly what they want to reform it into.
We're just on the wrong side of the grift.
"Fighting woke" is so funny
You are the problem.
Being a they/them is wayy funnier than that
Funny... in what kind of way?
@@karankapoor2701 I understand if u are conservative and not like trans people or gay people, but understand this PM is most powerfull political office in Britain and is in charge of every goverement fuction, so when u see fighting woke as their only well detailed and most elabarated platform and not u know anything else it looks funny as that person in theory is not an activist it's a politician
@@randomguy-tg7ok In a way that they are running for most powerful political office in Britain and their main concern and/or most detailed platform isn't on the economy nor on bad government services but on American culture wars
Vote reform get hate not hope.
I don’t think Reform stands much chance of replacing the Tories unless they outright beat them at the polls. They will definitely help Labour but the FPTP system and the existing HoL situation give way too much institutional advantage to established parties. This is why the Liberals (LibDems) are still around almost a century after they were replaced by Labour as the main opposition. Meanwhile any future Labour government will make sure to amplify its own advantage alongside the Tories.
The best result for Reform is to get the Tories to adopt some of their policies before merging with them (like UKIP did before them).
Despite what delusional right wingers think, this country is quite moderate and if anything slightly to the left, so radical policies will not give you a majority. Corbyn proved that on the left and he wasn’t even that radical compared to Reform.
The mess of a party I expected. Completely devoid of science, heartless, and just a lot of promises that certainly shall not be fulfilled.
Yet somehow people fall for it again and again and again and again
muh soyence
2:52
I've already seen that bus, just with other writings on there... The promises back then were not kept, why should I believe them now? What's so different?
Yes, it’s the same kind of people
The bus is blue this time!
Remoners seem to get all their information from the side of buses. 😂😂😂😂
The people who commissioned that bus were not the government, they were a group campaigning to leave the EU. The Tory government were completely split on the issue if you remember. Therefore the statement written on the bus wasn't a promise, it was a suggestion. They literally did not have the authority to promise government policy. I don't know why people believed it was a promise and still insist it was to this day.
@@harambae7014
It's because Remoaners are so desperate to discredit Brexit that they seize on any scrap of information to bolster their flimsy case against it.
How to win an outright majority in the UK:
-Pledge to lower net immigration with a Danish style policy
-Pledge to house young people prioritising those that are already married and have children
-Tax cuts for overtime
-Tax cuts for key start-up businesses in fields of green tech, weapons engineering, computer vision, robotics and AI.
-Tram networks in the North
-Federalisation.
-Change income tax bracket to tax free until the first £25000 and offset that with 1% increase in cooperation tax for "old" industries.
"Federalisation"😭😱😰🤮
Based
Step 1 - "Pledge to lower net immigration with a Danish style policy"
Step 2 - "Massively increase immigration as soon as you have power"
@@incurableromantic4006 , the people on benefits will have to be willing to work if we do reduce immigration though. They need to want to be trained. If not then what you described will keep happening.
Taking £3000 per month in benefits (which my dad who works in the job centre knows a lot of people who do this) will have to end.
I live in Wales and federalisation is the worst most rediculous idea possible. We barely even wanted our own assembly
The problem with comparing Reform UK to Canadian Reform is that Canadian reform had a core regionalized base with a huge seat count (Western Canada), even after years they still failed to win many seats west of Manitoba. Reform Uk could cost the Tories many seats and even win a few constituencies.
But if their vote spread isn't concentrated enough, they could do well but still not win many seats. (As seen with UKIP in 2015.)
There are other factors. The LibDems are arguably in a stronger position then the NDP was in 1993-2000. The SNP isn't as strong as the Bloc was in 1993 either. But I could see an Ontario 1993-2000 situation where Labour sweeps England while the Tories and Reform win only some constituencies.
Scotland and Wales would be more complicated to determine, while Northern Ireland would practically be having their own separate election that could barely factor into parliament depending on how well SF does.
Eventually I think Reform falls apart in an election cycle or two as the Conservatives regroup and get away from government for long enough that people forget why they even voted for Reform in the first place.
Love the image choice at 5:53… i wonder who in history had loads of images taken of him in a similar pose 😂
Yes because Nigel is calling for the extermination of Jews and imperium over mainland Europe. He is, isn’t he…?
As with so many news outlets you keep using the term far right for anyone who is both traditionalists and considers themselves patriotic. I know these values are looked down upon these days but I do not remember one election where opening up Britain to mass immigration was ever on the manifesto of any party. Many true working class people, who would never identify as Tories feel ignored by both Labour and Tories alike. I know many of you think of the Tories voters as a bunch of toffs but millions of working class people vote Tory because they are small c conservatives but now feel abandoned by them too . To be honest I would imagine most Reform voters would turn out to be working class, maybe equal to the number of middle class Labour voters, as Labour doesn't represent the white working class anymore. Maybe all parties need to start listening until a true right wing party appears on the political horizon.
Traditionalists in the age of information, of social media, or AI is called being reactionary. Reactionary politics are far right politics. Maybe you don't like the term but from what you describe you fit the bill. Quite funny that you don't like the term aswell, because it proves deep down you know that it is morally wrong, but yet you still find ways of justifying it to yourself. I consider myself a patriot for instance, but patriotism has f-all with hating migrants, our multicultural society makes me feel proud to be British. I'd say the idea that foreigners come over and destroy our culture is anti-British. The EU is not going to change British culture, the Americans have given it a good go, but here we are, still as British as ever.
Also "as Labour doesn't represent the white working class anymore" - Why do you lot obsess over bringing race into everything? You also think Labour need to listen until they become a true right wing party? You are barmy mate, absolutely gone.
Well said.
Im patriotic, and I hate reform. They will not fix the country, only cut taxes and increase spending, something that really doesn’t work. Labour will actually do “patriotic” things, like funding the military, making bank of nationalising transport systems, increasing employment by opening factories for munitions etc.
@@ArmUkraine Reform have nothing to do with my post. But if you believe in Labour I'm afraid you will end up very disappointed.
@@ArmUkraine I'm 110% behind arming and supporting Ukraine, especially given the recent lack of support from the US (hopefully that will change soon) but the UK seriously does not need increased military spending. We are in a cost of living crisis, mental health crisis, NHS waiting lists through the roof. Dealing with those issues and the massive black hole of legalised corruption in the British economy is more important, more pressing patriotic issue than increased funding for the military. That doesn't mean the UK should stop giving Ukraine arms and support though.
Why do rich people hate renewable energy so much? Do they make money out of the existing system or something?
And why is it the people that stand to benefit from it hate it too? Ignoring experts and demanding we do the opposite to what they advise. It's a crazy world full of crazy people.
Many rich people in the US invested in it so it’s probably just UK millionaires aren’t as caught up
it makes no sense to hate them a priori, but we must take note that they are not sufficient (except for nations that can rely on hydroelectricity) and that in many European states they live on subsidies.
Anyone who understands the shortcomings of renewable energy understands how much of a waste of resources it is, unless it's nuclear or hydro
@@stonehengemaca lack of education, lots of religious brainwashing too
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something very wrong with the graph at 17 seconds. Add up the percentages of all the parties at each of the monthly iterations and there is no consistency, or there is missing data.
We need compulsory voting. I just CBA doing it without proper reforms like equal votes and proportional representation.
Sooooo they're basically just more extreme tories?....
Excellent! 👍
They’re literally the only right leaning party in the uk.
I would have thought that the main difference is that Reform UK is not a party. It's a private pressure group owned by Richard Tice. It has supporters, not members. That is to say, people who financially contribute to it without having any say in its policies or the way it is run.
Something about Leopards eating faces party something something
Reform UK is a business. Not a party.
Yes! It's a private limited company. You can't become a member. You are allowed to give money to it!
It is a smart move. I like it.
@@Baddy187 Vote for them then. Good luck with that.
They are a joke 😂😂😂
Bankrolled from Russia with love.
Looking at the biggest party in the Netherlands, there is no need to be democratic to be successful. The PVV officially only has one member..
Can agree with them regarding changing the voting system.
Like that would work. Just look at the Netherlands and Italy and germanies second largest party. Europe is riddled with PR systems that have elected radical right wing government
Sadly, pledges like this often go unpromised. Most parties won't go changing the electoral system after being elected by it.
@@manana1444 What political party has promised to change the electoral system who then actually went into government? It's only small parties, who don't beenfit from FPTP promise it and by definition they never get into government.
Yes, but don't trust them to honour that.
Remember that Farage deliberately manipulated the 2019 election in an attempt to make the result even less proportional than it would already have been under FPTP. Just like he bangs on ad nauseum about the so-called "will of the people", but totally supported Trump becoming president despite mmore people having voted for Hillary Clinton. This lot only favour a fair voting system, or anything else, when it's to their advantage to do so.
@@lewis123417 That,s hoe democracy works lol.
More of a wish list than a manifesto. Farage has experience with that, having made so many promises about benefits of Brexit that never materialized.
They have for the working class Comrade! 👍
@@remoanersrknts6736 - Indeed, congratulations on now having unchallenged access to janitorial jobs.
@@daniels7907
I'm a self employed HGV driver my son is a plumber and thanks to Brexit we're coining it in since eu dross went home.
Thank Farage for Brexit! 👍
Sensible and solid journalism in action!
Uk needs proportional representation and regional parliments
Now more than ever!
Proportional Representation yes, regional parliament no.
@@nothereandthereanywhere the councils are bankrupt, run on FPTP and should be worried with local issues not regional ones
PR is what got the austrian painter elected, no thanks.
@@MrNPC..that’s an argument against democracy not proportional representation
I broadly agree with a lot of the policies, or at least their goals, here. Increasing threshold for taxes seems sensible in so far as the tax free allowance has been heavily eroded by inflation. However, it sounds like most all of their policies require more detail: more details on the cuts, more details on electoral reforms, etc.
The "contract" was written a few years ago, I think it's supposed to be a bit vague. Might be wrong.
You need to increase the duration on the attack part of your voice compression - currently it’s too fast and it makes it so grating to listen to you, even at a low volume.
Reform UK is exactly like at least two other political parties I can think of : the Brexit Party and UKIP. These were voting repositories for the sense of grievance and saloon bar racism that were the leit motifs of what passed for Nigel Farage's political philosophy. Reform UK, in which Farage is the largest shareholder, is simply the latest such repository or, if you like, the sewage pipe through which Farage's verbal sewage polutes politics in the UK.
Policies: anything that lacks compassion for people unlike them.
So it's another one of Nigel's grifts, what a surprise
The following is a poem from Michael Rosen:
I sometimes fear that
people think that fascism arrives in fancy dress
worn by grotesques and monsters
as played out in endless re-runs of the Nazis.
Fascism arrives as your friend.
It will restore your honour,
make you feel proud,
protect your house,
give you a job,
clean up the neighbourhood,
remind you of how great you once were,
clear out the venal and the corrupt,
remove anything you feel is unlike you...
It doesn't walk in saying,
"Our programme means militias, mass imprisonments, transportations, war and persecution."
Islam is that fascism
@@bunnystrassehow fucking thick are you
The left is currently the fascist party - no freedom of speech 1984 is what we’re currently experiencing
@@bunnystrasse No but it is usually a dogmatic religion. Although Islamists do have alot in common with the far right and that does make me laugh quite often.
It's seems like their views on tax policy are: promise everything, don't say how you'll do it.
Just like Brexit, from some of the same people also
What do you mean they don't say how they will do it? If they gain power they will have the authority to cut tax 🤔
@@user-fk9mo2ld6w
Having the authority and then actually cutting taxes are two separate things
That NHS vouchers solution to long waiting lists in the NHS is beyond boneheaded.
Private Health care providers are more expensive and have absolutely no requirement to bill fairly especially when they know that the government is footing the bill.
Therefore this extra cost must either be added to the amount allocated to the NHS or removed from it's current budget.
Clearly this can't work as a long-term solution without either further eroding the NHS or simply throwing money at the problem in the most inefficient way imaginable!
A far better and more efficient solution would be simply to better fund the NHS, set measures in place to ensure the wellbeing of NHS workers while giving tax breaks to the most essential NHS workers, thereby making working for the NHS a more viable and attractive solution.
Simultaneously management needs to be assessed on how able they are to ensure that their district are providing a quality service based on cost and feedback from patients and staff.
It's an idea which seems to work well in practice, both here and abroad. I've had various NHS treatments at private facilities. The NHS has the power to negotiate very reasonable prices. And they don't have to shoulder all the initial investment and risk of building the facilities.
It's far preferable to the government contracting out health services. Which is massively open to cronyism and corruption. I don't think a voucher system should replace NHS facilities. But it seems like an entirely sensible way of supplementing them.
Semi privatised healthcare is literally the norm in Western Europe and places like Japan.
Only the UK makes a big fuss out of it cos "MeRiCA" as if the US style healthcare is the only option we have other than the NHS.
Do you understand why the NHS is getting more difficult to fund? Aging population maybe???
Also the NHS is very inefficient due to lack of innovation. Personnel isn't an issue per se. The NHS is one of the biggest employers in Western Europe with some of the most well paid.
Many other countries actually attempt to use the capacity offered in private hospitals when the capacity is full but because we Brits have this binary "public good, private bad" mentality, that's what's also contributing to the very long waiting lists we have.
@@andybrice2711 The scale of the problem (nearly 8 million people on NHS waiting lists, 50% seen in 12 hours and a 90% bed occupancy in hospitals) isn't merely one of supplementation, this is bordering on replacement.
At the small scale bargaining power is greater due to simple supply and demand but we're no longer talking about the small scale here and as such the supply/demand equation starts to swing the other way.
If we had money to burn and were able to cut down waiting lists by accessing Private health services while also renovating the NHS then I'd be inclined to agree, but this proposal isn't a solution, it's at best a sticking plaster on a very deep wound.
The sheer cost involved in alleviating a problem of this scale while simultaneously claiming to reduce public spending means that it's almost a foregone conclusion that this will actually further damage the NHS due to essential problems being ignored and likely lead to it's being dismantled.
@@andybrice2711 It isn't a solution though. If you think of it, UK has a large aging population, meaning the facilities should be built to accommodate it. Or do you want the private company build it, let the government pay for it over it + few billions extra to shareholders? NHS will not cope, unless it is expanded due to elderly people - those elderly will coming for decades. Do you think decades of voucher system is financially feasible?
@@inbb510 "Brits have this binary "public good, private bad" mentality, that's what's also contributing to the very long waiting lists we have."
So nothing to do with a history of being chronically underfunded then?
"NHS is very inefficient due to lack of innovation."!?
If anything consecutive new regimes with conflicting 'innovative' approaches are part of the problem and a leading cause of inefficiency as providers are forced to adopt, scrap and change entire systems!
Also at this point let's just admit the Straw-man in the room.
We're not talking about a root and branch restructuring of the entire health system toward an integrated private/public system but rather a stop-gap diversion of funds towards the private sector, likely to the detriment of the public.
The point being that the claim of "we'll just pay them to go private" doesn't gel with the "We'll tax you less" promise.
Now let's examine the "other countries operate as a combined private / public" claim to see if we're comparing apples with apples and whether these are systems that display significantly greater efficiency or whether they just cost more.
Currently the No.1 health care system globally is Singapore which operates a combined private/public system.
This is paid for by an enforced saving program termed 'Medisave' which takes between 7 - 9.5% of earnings (a de-facto tax) 'Medishield' a national insurance program and 'Medifund' a 3 Billion reserve (of public money) that helps support the system.
While it is undoubtedly providing a better outcome than the UK it is also a significantly more costly one for the individual.
The No.1 European health care system is Norway but I was unable to find any in-depth data on it other than that it incurs a per-capita cost of $6,072 as compared to the UK's $4,725 (no.10 overall).
That's a 28% higher level of funding.
However, the No.2 European health care system is the Netherlands' with a per-capita cost of $6,128.
This is partly funded by a statutory health insurance system (another de-facto tax) and has fully integrated the private and public sectors into a single system that is in effect public plus.
So in conclusion.
Firstly these are very different systems that place a higher portion of the cost on the individual.
Secondly judging purely by the per-capita costs involved the NHS is clearly a more efficient service ranking as no.10 globally at only 2/3rds the cost.
The per-capita cost of these higher performing systems average out at around 30% more than the UK which simply reinforces my assertion that the NHS isn't underperforming due to inefficiency, but rather due to a lack of funding.
Anderson and farage oh my god
I will certainly be voting for reform!
It's just a two-bit 'disgruntled Tory' Party, with a two-bit leader! 😂
As much as I loathe Farage and his cronies, and even though I consider myself quite left wing - there are few items that I agree with, and in general politics does need a massive reform from the "Punch and Judy" show that it is, especially in terms of never seemingly being able hold people to account for all the massive amounts of corruption we have going on!!
The reform party seems like more of a punch and judy show than the main parties.
Sounds like a great party
Reform sounds brilliant ❤. I'd vote for them!
Watch the votes come in guys I'm voting
If the manifesto is called a contract, isn’t it legally binding and can’t they be sued for its breach?
It's about as legally binding as EU law. 😂
Its not a political party. Its a grifting operation.
A centre-right party of reason and common sense. I will vote for them.
Centre right?😅
4:25
Wow what a revolutionary idea. Make the smaller private healthcare industry fabulously wealthy through taxing the people and removing any form of buyer pricing. You'd be raking it in more than US private healthcare with this scheme.
It's also not solving the waiting lists because they're simply far too small.
2019 11.2% of UK healthcare was privately provided. And they obviously don't have massive amounts of people just sitting on their asses doing nothing in private care. I don't want to pull numbers out my ass but it's easier to understand my argument this way.
Imagine they have people working 50%(!) of time they could be working. So the average employed private healthcare doctor only takes half-days _relative to NHS doctors_ because they don't have enough sick people coming to them. Then the total private portion of the UK Healthcare system could amount to (11.2*(1/50%)) 22.4%, double capacity with the suggested 100% subsidy.
It's not a solution even when the case is just absolutely ludicrous like that. If private healthcare is more busy than that the increased capacity quickly decreases to near zero (75% current active time -> 2.8% capacity increase or private healthcare making up 14% total healthcare).
It also relies on the only inefficiency in private healthcare providers being this assumed lack of patients. Very unlikely considering the waiting lists and private healthcares profit motive providing a lot of pressure on it to not idle doctors.
How do people fall for this crap?
I think their long-term strategy here ( if they have one) is to keep expanding the private healthcare service while making the NHS even more defunct, so that eventually you get a US-style healthcare.
Well maffs is hard, innit?
@@CartoonDrama44Exactly. The plan is to turn it into US system and royally fuck anyone whose not rich.
I think it's more a case of "this is where we are, the NHS has been gutted (starting under Blair if not before with all the 'public private partnerships' he instigated that burdened it with so much debt / interest repayment) isn't getting things done on time, people need treatment now not in six months so how do we make that happen".
Leaving us with an immediate situation that needs handling any which way you can.
I would hope that further investment in and restructuring of the NHS* to get the NHS back up to spec and on track would put an end to the need for any substantial outspending to the private healthcare industry to take up the slack within 5-10 years.
* to get rid of extraneous management layers that add no value to the end 'product' and service provision of the NHS .. like all of the EID managers and staff we never had before (it functioned fine before without them, it can again) that unnecessarily swallow so much NHS money.
They don't believe it, I bet you 80-90% of their voters have no idea about this policy. They are buggered come election time when it faces scrutiny. Could be a distraction maybe? Get the press worked up about that, when they know there own voters don't care about that policy only "getting rid of Johnny Foreigner" - Although they don't have any idea how to do that either without authoritarianism and breaking international law.
Guys, where is the video on the Ireland referendum???
No one cares
@@damienreilly4347 Now say it without crying
@@joacom ok, no one cares 😭😭😭😭
Oh Boy That Was Destroyed. Its Vagueness On Families and Equal Rights Caused its Defeat. Another Defeat for Fine Gael and Fianna Fail! Also We Are In Recession Now. Great!
the uk is too broken and there's too many sheep voting the for the 2 party system that things are only going to get a lot worse so I voted with my feet and left. I'm not paying 70% tax for all this crime
its broken due to lazy british people end of the day no wonder the goverment let so many people in to cover them lol
Promising political integrity if the company already overdue a confirmation statement...
A MAN WITH A BACKBONE AND A PAIR OF BALLS WELL DONE LEE
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Billionaire's balls, in his mouth.
Immigration is the key issue especially the illegal boats. The British people have had enough.
What problems are they causing exactly? I just see it as an infinite money glitch. Give them a job, get tax. Maybe then we can fund the NHS. Until you give me an actual issue, well I guess i won’t be able to change your view.
The PVV party in NL has one member, Wilders, and it seems to be working for him.
Reform U.K. formerly known as the national front
I’m glad that you highlighted the issue of its organisational structure with some important questions. I very much agree that The Brexit Party benefited from its centralised power structure as a political startup and this somewhat autocratic arrangement was in many ways essential to their huge initial success electorally. However, now as Reform UK, they have had more enough time to democratise and build a less concentrated internal structure yet they have not done that. If they seek to be a consistent political challenger on the “Conservative” Party’s right flank, they must restructure and democratise long-term along with empowering their membership.
Waiting for £350 mil per week for NHS 🕛🕐🕑🕒🕓🕔🕕🕖🕗🕘🕙🕚🕛🔃
This is the first time I’ve heard of Reform UK :)
How I envy your blissful ignorance. If only we could live without knowing the name "Nigel Farage"
@@YourGayOverlord
Man wouldn’t have a voice if Labour and the Tories just did their jobs.
They're pushing an incredible amount of propaganda on the short video formats like TikTok.
It's clear that they're trying to capture the votes of younger people that haven't learned the realities of the world (which isn't to say that young people cannot be aware, just that this is the combination that reform are targeting with their predatory marketing)
@@YourGayOverlord UKIP gained 13% vote share in 2015. People voted for them for a reason. You should try to understand where them voters are coming from instead of being patronizing. This is happening all across Europe too - far right is rising in Europe such as Afd in Germany, Marine le pen in France, Meloni in Italy, Sweden Democrats in Italy, Geert Wilders (PVV party) in Netherlands.
@@Bushflare What do you mean? Labour and Tories ran this country for centuries. Have you got no democracy, free speech and so on?
5:52 This all seem pretty great to me. Didn't know much about reform, thanks for filling me in. I'll have to look into them more but they seem like a good contendor for my vote.
No. Just please rethink this. These are all things the tories pledged, but they could never get them through. It won’t work, it’ll just be a waste of money and make our country poorer and less relevant than ever before, and make it harder to fix. Please
As far as I can see same party didn't farage stand with Johnson over brexit
Thanks to this video will most probably vote for them.
Now Lee Anderson’s joined them 😂
That's a good thing. Lee speaks for 10s of millions of people in this country.
Lol
He was labour they went to shit, he was Tory they went to shit, joined gb news losing money going to shit, come on big man keep up the streak! He's a political jinx😂😂😂
@@Hector-bj3ls Where are you getting this data from? Why do you thing reform did so poorly in the last bi-election then? I don't know 10 people that have fallen for their nonsense. Nobody I know thinks the problems/issues facing the UK are as simple as the vague solutions offered by reform.
Yes to PR (STV please).
No to pretty much everything else.
STV without PR. PR just empowers extremists by being kingmakers in coalition negotiations as it makes it harder for a major party to get a majority government. STV without PR favors more reasonable and moderate candidates at the expense of extremists. It also keeps territorial constituencies which means you have a MP who is local to you and hopefully understands the issues effecting your local area.
Although I know TLDR did a very unbiased analysis they managed to sway me to vote for Reform instead of the Tories.
I wasn't particularly sold before this video but now I am.
Workers party for me
Stop this WAR and I will vote for you! I will only vote for the party that stops this war!
I’d rather take my chances with a reform government than Tory or Labour-Tory.
Why?
@@scarfholdgraphicsmedia9501labour have bankrupted my city and the tories are useless.
Finding ways of saving money is part of a manager's job.
Then they’d better DO their jobs or find other jobs. The British tax payers can’t afford passengers
can always stop paying billions for all the "immigretns"
@xelthiavice4276 If you want to not have millions of immigrants over a 5 year period you need policies to massively increase the number of children born in the UK, or else you'll have a demographic crisis VERY quickly.
@@xelthiavice4276 presumably you meant 'immigrants' and if so why would it be in quotation marks?
Managers are infamous for saving the boss money by taking it away from the staff.
More clowns in reform than the monster raving looney party
One of the big issues is NATO. On this, Reform UK are the same as the mainstream...
reform party will replace torries
Lol. I doubt Reform could even get a seat. They're small fry
Will be like the SDP in the 80s
Breaking news; Penny Mordaunt was spotted in B&Q designing a new kitchen, with breakfast bar, for number 10.
Ive never even thought of Voting Reform, until reading this, however the tax cuts, i don't know how that would help britan, i mean i love increasing the income tax threshold to 20k, that would MASSIVE help the working class, I'm not sure about the 70k cuts as this would mean less money for the UK can people on even a 45k a year job can live pretty comfortably (maybe [i say this with current experience in the east midlands] not in London), however this also means people with middle to upper middle class incomes would have a little bit more disposable income which could mean they don't have to work as much for the same income they are on, or this could increase their holidays, which would see an improvement in mood and happiness, less burn out, which equals more higher productivity, so either or, it should definitely be tested I think 👌🏼
The funniest/saddest thing is people falling for the same tricks over and over.
Because it has never been in power before. Simples. In these troubled times we need a party that has been in before. Not one that puts out populist policies, half of which cannot work.
At the moment we have a centre-right party and a centre-left party. That leaves space for the far right, the far left and a proper centrist party.
Politics in the UK is currently really odd. Elsewhere in Western Europt populations are moving to right of centre, whereas in the UK the voting poluation is moving what is most likeley ging to be a hard left party with a very unimpressive leader and shadow cabinet. This will not end well.
14% and growing🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
They are expected to win 0 seats. And they better not win any.
You'll have a lot of crying to do.
Wrong. Tories do NOT dominate the House of Lords. They are significantly outnumbered.
The thing is that if Reform UK can get just a couple points higher than the Tories, then whatever seats don't go to Labour, the SNP, or the Lib. Dems will go to them.
Reform would create a Lettuce Type Catastrophe to the Power of 5.
Mr. Brexit himself. Nigel fuckin Farage
7 times an election loser
We say SIR now, bigot!
a legend
@@capri2673 Such a patriot, wanting to leave his own country and comparing it to 1943 Germany, Russia as well as today's China...
@@_jpg because he airn wrong in some of those statements.
"Let's make Britain Great"
Are these people *seriously* copying the American "Make America Great Again" slogan and just slapping Britain on it?
Why not?
@@remoanersrknts6736Because it’s a shit slogan with negative connotations
Yes because usa is totally so much better with Biden in charge, yeah, run by the deep state and all, as well as taking money from Ukraine but yeah, for real bro. Hahahahah. Note sarcasm Trump 2024 usususususus @@-JT-543
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Millions like me think it is a very positive remark . 👍
@@-JT-543 I don't mind living in a 'great' country. Sounds pretty good to me
5:52 "guys look hes like the mustache man"
funny how Their LOGO looks like your UA-cam channel logo
Stop the mythical war on motorists ? There are people who will buy that narrative but stopping the war on pedestrians will save more lives.
Conservatives love their cars more than life itself. Which actually tracks, given the number of deaths attributed to air quality.
Reminds me of the Onion article about the "War on Christmas" featuring people hiding in the sewer huddled around a scrawny tree
They’re just saying whatever people want to win as many votes as possible
Isn't that what they're supposed to do?
@@pja8901no
That's how democracy works lol.
Local man discovers politics.