Friends Go on 3 Day Camping Trip. Only 1 Returns. 1 Found with 17 Chest Wounds
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Hello everyone, in today's video we will be discussing the very bizarre and mind boggling case that happened back in September of 2012.. 2 friends that had once worked together, were able to get into this very limited space camping & hunting trip for 3 days.. Jeffrey Gebhardt was 35 years when he set out from Blairsville, Georgia to head to the Clarks Hill Wildlife Management Area. They left on Thursday, September 20, 2012.
Jeff got lost in the woods on the second night trying to find his way back to their camp (Holiday Park) and his friend called authorities about 2 hours after he went missing.. when the search and rescue finally found him early the next morning (3 am Sunday, September 23, 2012)
Jeffrey Gebhardt was dead.. but not only was he dead, he was found with 17 stab wounds. 3 around his heart and one deep one to his lower abdomen.. plus bruising on his legs and head and scapes on his neck and one wound on his right hand.. the authorities believed 2 knives were used but only found one.. and unbelievably they ultimately ruled it a suicide:( I mean seriously? how is that possible?
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Why would he kill himself slowly and very painfully by multiple stabbings, when he had a rifle handy? The idea that he committed suicide by stabbing himself is ridiculous.
Agreed. What kind of wounds were those responsible for his death? Blade wounds? Maybe he was gored by animal antlers, or another type of weapon (arrow). A good coroner should be able to say more about the nature and origin of the wounds. The position in which he was found smacks of foul play more than of suicide. Such a clumsy suicide is hard to imagine, especially on the part of a hunter. What about the bruises? Could those have been self-inflicted? With what? If you want to end your life and you have a gun with you in the middle of nowhere, why use such prosaic methods?
Yes. And his own knife wasn’t used at all …
To make it a suicidal as the conclusion is totally WRONG/FALSE
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Just to be factual.... It wouldn't be the first time someone did that actual thing.... Crazy as it sounds....
I agree! Plus if you look at the case files, the knife was found underneath his body.. partially closed with really no markings on it.. so they're saying he stabbed himself 17 times then tried closing the knife? Also, the medical examinaers that were brought in after determined that 2 knives were used.. one being a serrated knife which Jeffrey's was not.. also why keep calling for help if you were just going to kill yourself?! Nothing makes sense! I also don't think the footprints should be so highly factored..I mean you notice you don't see any of the SAR or authorities footprints? When they first approached they weren't planning on finding a crime scene.. the footprints photos are very deep..possibly indicates someone carried him to that spot.. plus there were 286 hikers in that 12,700 acre area camping and hunting that weekend.. I'm sure many had the same gear, same boots and sizes. Plus how did Jeff get ask the defensive bruises and cuts and scrapes all over his body? 😳just makes no sense! I hope the case will be reopened and the family will get the true answers..🙏thank you for watching and your feedback!
@@funniebunnie4u yes I did research and did find (to my shock and horror that people have done things in this nature) however, that said, the ones I read about so had serious mental illness or other issues.. Jeffrey was at a high point in his life and was so excited about so many things including his new classes he was about to start.. just so tragic and imho I don't think this was suicide.. for many reasons.. first off even the original medical examiner said there were many defensive wounds and they thought 2 knives must have been used because the cuts on his hands were from a serrated blade.. plus he had those 2 guns. This was a very brutal, painful and horrible death.. why would he just decide to do this after being lost for only a few hours? Idk there's so many things that don't make sense.. and I think he footprints got too much attention.. if you look you don't see any of the authorities footprints or b search and rescue footprints and when they first came to the scene they weren't expecting a crime scene.. in the grassy area there were tons of footprints. Plus looking at the depth of the footprints in the photos, it's possible someone carried him to that location. Who knows🤷♂️ I just feel there are too many things that don't add up in this tragic case..Hopefully the family will get the answers they are looking for🙏🙏thank you for watching and your feedback!
Looks like someone got away with murder.
Plenty get away with murder. It's not that hard
a big Buck
This is insane! With the bruise to his head it sounds like he was hit and went down, the cut between his fingers easily is a defense wound, the half open knife sounds like he was trying to get his own weapon out, and probably was completely overtaken at that point. This is a fully complete failure of the GBI! We should all start an e-mail campaign to reopen this case!!!
Finding only his footprints in the mud just means he had not been attacked yet at that point. It really feels like this sort of thing only happens when the hunters or hikers “split up”. Why do people continue to split up? This guy even had a history of getting lost. It doesn’t make any sense.
If you hiked with stubborn people I could see why they would split up when in the end one of them disappears due to their wrong choices@@eucliduschaumeau8813
@@eucliduschaumeau8813 True 👍 it’s not adding up !
His friend had nothing to do with it but it was probably VERY HARD TIME for him a long time afterwards ….
So he had a history of being lost in the woods before ???
People should never split up, never good to be alone.
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This case Needs to be opened by an independent detective, something very wrong here.
A lot of somethings!!!😮
No, that’s not right. If he were going to commit suicide, it would have been a whole lot easier to figure out a way to do it with the rifle. The knife had no blood on it. Who could possibly stab themselves seventeen times? The cops missed something or maybe involved themselves.
exactly, and if the knife had no blood on it how the heck did they come up with him stabbing himself to death!!! apparently he lived long enough to clean his own blood off the knife.
Seriously? I can't imagine how they came to that conclusion.. I mean I think someone would pass out before being able to do that.. and why not just use the gun.. Just makes no sense!
Truly is one of the most insane cases I've ever come across. Just defies logic.. thank you for watching!
There is a lot of crazy crap going on in our world right now. It's getting so weird I can't keep up with it anymore, lol. I hope your saved Brian cause the stuff from revelations is beginning to happen.
@@bryanbulmer6716Keep your religion to yourself.
The more ai channels that pop up, the more I appreciate a good narrator.
Totally weird and seemingly far fetched to call it a suicide. So sad for his family and friends. Someone knows what happened.
Yep ask Daryl he knows
Sloppy police work. Then for the ME to not identify the weapon used (if it was a weapon) the conclusion is ludicrous. Maybe they didn't want a open case or something worse. Thanks Bryan!
It sure smells of a bureaucratic expedient.
Concerning the foot prints that they determined to be Jeffreys, did he have a normal gait, or did it appear he was staggering to the point he collapsed? The blood evidence, was it all at the scene where he died? Did it appear that he was trying to get away at the time of injuries, and blood found elsewhere? As far as his arms being crossed, I doubt he fell in that position. Crossing someone's arms after you kill them shows remorse. I still have questions. There needs to be another autopsy.
Similar to the delphi murders. 2 victims. One of them was found with items under her, and she was found on her back with her arms on her chest.
This case is similar to the Ellen Greenberg case with it's absurdity. They ruled her stab wounds self inflicted as well. Some were on her back.
Really, quite the contortionist.
doesn't everyone stab themselves in the back?
Yes it’s similar to shooting yourself in the back of the head.
This is not suicide. Poor guy was murdered and his murderer got by with it. So sad.
agreed. also, who exactly were the other hunters?
I think your mother was involved
What a curious story. I hope the guilty one is found. I don't believe these were self inflicted wounds. Thank you for sharing. Prayers for his loved one. 🙏😓💔
Omg this has got to be one of the most bizarre cases you have ever covered. I don't see how anyone could possibly inflict that many wounds to himself. That's just crazy imho.. I agree I think there is more to this story! Thank you for sharing this and hopefully one day the full story will emerge..
I know it's just unbelievable! I don't see how it would be physically possible but🤷♂️ very sad for the family:( hopefully one day they will get answers! Thank you for watching and your feedback!
It’s possible to survive knife wounds, at least for a short time, but who the hell offs themselves by punching themselves and inflicting knife wounds, when they had guns with them? The cut on his hand is obviously a defensive wound.
@@eucliduschaumeau8813 possibly but 3 of the wounds penetrated his heart and a 4th of the 17 was deep into his abdomen.. most medical examiners say he would not have been able to inflict that many wounds and like you said he had 2 guns. According to the medical examiner this was a painful and very brutal death..I can't fathom why he would do that.. but🤷♂️thanks for watching and your feedback!
@@bawattsyl No blood on the knife. Where is the murder weapon?
Sad & odd! Unless he was numb on something, no one would keep stabbing self! Lots of pain & blood loss! He was disorganized & lost. Did a crazy person or angry bigfoot kill him?
I spent more than 35 years as a medical professional and now I volunteer as a death investigator. Sadly, I have seen this form of suicide many times. When a person is murdered via a knife, the killer is usually in a rage and uses a great deal of force to drive the knife as deeply into the victim as possible. In suicides by knife, we always see the same pattern; many small superficial wounds, none of which would kill a human-being, but combined will cause the person to eventually bleed to death. Each time the person tries to stab themselves they begin to feel fear and stop before they actually cause a catastrophic wound. Each time they try they get a little deeper, so you end up with many superficial wounds that become progressively deeper. There are many other clues such as the angle in which the knife entered the body, but I wont go into all of that here. This type of suicide usually happens during a psychotic event. This young man may have been so terrified of being lost in the woods after dark that it triggered this. Trying to commit suicide with a long-gun is quite difficult, especially if you're a larger person, they are just not as agile, but even if you're small it's a tough thing to do. Bryan mentioned the single foot prints and the possibility that the perpetrator let his victim walk away. I don't know of any killer who would stab someone multiple times and then would allow them to walk away! Most killers do not want to be caught so allowing the victim to leave is highly unlikely. I'd also like to mention that there have been suicides wherein the person did cause catastrophic wounds but this is rare. There were two live feeds of people committing suicide using a knife. I no longer remember, but I'm pretty sure one was Facebook Live and the second one was TikTok. These people both created the same pattern; starting out with superficial wounds and worked up to more serious wounds. Regardless, it's just a very sad tragedy.
Omg that sounds like a tough job! Thank you for sharing your experiences and information. 🙏 I did leave a few things out because I didn't want it to be too rough for yt.. but a couple of things.. the medical examiner said that 2 types of knives were used.. one was serrated.. Jeff didn't have that kind and it was never found.. secondly he had 4 wounds that by themselves they said would have been fatal. 3 deep wounds to the heart and one deep wound to the abdomen around the liver.. he also had defensive wounds and bruises all over his body.. one large bruise on his head several on his legs and various other superficial wounds. I also don't understand why he would keep calling for help.. and yes it could be like you said something in him just snapped.. but in my experience when people are lost in the wilderness, they will fight for survival as long as they can. This guy was an experienced woodsman and was only lost for a couple of hours. In regards to the footprints, I had a couple of thoughts.. for one there were 286 campers & hunters in the area for that long weekend. All from small towns in the area.. I'm sure many of them had similar gear and boots.. but the footprints were so much deeper than any of the authorities and search and rescue..(because when they came to the scene they thought they were looking for a live man) it could be that someone carried him there. But as you said it could have been as you described.. he did have one large rifle but another smaller gun. Either way the whole thing is so tragic:( and the family just doesn't understand because he was so happy at the time and had so many things planned but🤷♂️ thank you for watching and your feedback 🙏🙏
@@bawattsyl I will see if I can get his autopsy report and any available files as this is sounding a little strange now! I'll have to file a FOIA which means months of waiting but I'll give it a try!
@@emeraldsea2718 that would be great! And yes I definitely know about the wait with the FOIA. 🙃 I know the parents have been fighting for years to get the case reopened.. it's interesting to watch some of the CSI interviews because they will say things like it looked like a brutal attack.. and also will say things like there was no signs or reason to think he was suicidal but then say due to the footprints and not being able to find any other evidence they think it's suicide.. definitely a very sad and mind boggling tragedy:(
Thank you for the only truly fact-based comment here. It's sad that conspiratorial comments get upvoted over comments like these, but sadly I see this pattern in every single channel covering unexplained or mysterious stuff. Anyway, thanks for taking the time to explain! I was thinking the investigators must have clues from the wound angles, but your comment shed so much light on this
@@bawattsylvery often the family says ( and likely believes) that the person was happy, on an upswing, and definitely NOT suicidal... but it was suicide. I'm not saying this WAS suicide, just pointing out that the family saying no way, doesn't mean much.
I don't believe it was suicide. Stabbing yourself over and over again, no way. 😢
Prayers for the family. ❤
This is shocking. And made even more shocking by the conclusion of authorities. I hope that a detailed investigation-depth investigation is carried out.
I think the GBI either didn't want to have an open case on their books, or someone wanted the case closed. Because there isn't a medical examiner worth their salt who would say that a completely stable, sober individual would stab & cut themselves over _17 times_ to kill themselves when they had loaded guns in their possession.
Stabbing yourself is _painful & slow...,_ the opposite of suicidal ideation,who want a quick & painless exit. The blunt force trauma is another red flag.
And that's leaving aside the whole issue of Jeff calling multiple people including 911 for help, and the strange story of his "buddy". I don't know enough details to point the finger at him as being responsible, but he wouldn't be the first person to tell half-truths or omit certain info that paints himself in a bad light. Maybe he didn't go looking for Jeffrey as thoroughly as he claimed... or maybe these other hunters had threatened him.
I could believe a ruling of 'accidental' or 'undetermined', given it was during a hunting trip. Some kind of animal attack is a more believable explanation, or even walking into an illegal trap left by poachers, drug traffickers, or a particularly nasty landowner.
But the labelling of this as a 'suicide' in the face of the forensic evidence immediately puts a spotlight on authorities as to why they would accept such a ludicrous explanation.
I agree with your conclusion, but not with the assumption that suicidal people want or take the easy way out. That's not true. Some, sure. But violent, messy and prolonged means of suicide are not uncommon.
I thought it was said that his knife didn’t have any blood on it. Also, I think it would be pretty easy for even an inept coroner to determine if his knife was the one to inflict the injuries, considering there was 17 of them. If I was interested in hiding the truth, I would definitely get the experts involved and call in government officials.
This is a truly bizarre case, I can't believe they determined it was a suicide. I just don't see how you could stab yourself 17 times then cross your arms over your body like when they found Jeffery. It just doesn't add up. I know the cops said no one else was there with him at the time and I'm purely speculating bu but what if it was someone else that stabbed him then staged it to look like a suicide, but that's just my opinion. I hope his family will find peace and comfort and may Jeffery rest in peace 🕊️ 🙏I hope you're doing well and have a good week!
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If the police gets lazy and don’t want to investigate they call it self inflicted ! Suicide !
Like the case in San Diego - disgusting police work !
When a person unalives themselves they don't usually send out an SOS that they are lost and need help. That is not a metaphor.
This is a Missing411 case, it's strangeness fits the criteria.
They don't stab themselves in the back several times either 😮❤❤❤
Could these hunters be falling prey to eco-terrorists? It would not surprise me one bit. They maybe knew that there were limited hunting licenses during that time, which would mean less potential witnesses.
I like the new titled intro with a posted date. Looks professional. It's amazing to see your abilities grow here.
Nobody would take their life in that manner. Why would anyone harm themselves like that when its not necessary?
I feel its really poor police work to close the case because the information your looking for is not handed to you in a easy way. When the Police department realizes they have to do some in-depth investigation they closed the case.Thats wrong.
Of course I was not there but there was this case I read about two friend going out hiking and at a certain moment one of them tried to bring the friendship onto an other level. Being rejected he felt so sad that he killed his friend and wounded himself.
Not every coroner is a forensic pathologist, so he/she might not have had a high level of education or experience. This case needs a second autopsy. He could also have had a psychotic break. There was also a case on Dr G. Medical Examiner where a guy stabbed himself to death because of a medication he was on. Animal attack sounds most reasonable and knowing he was going to die, he laid down in that manner. Sounds like there were enough other hunters in the area that one could also suspect homicide from someone other than his partner.
Absolutely do not believe that Jeffery could have done this to himself. Someone else is involved. Where was the knife he used if they only found a half opened one with no blood on the blade?
Hey Bryan! Wow, this is a real head scratcher. I can't believe they couldn't determine if it was stab or puncture wounds, surely one is not like the other. I'm just gonna throw this out there and wonder if a deer could have done it. Growing up in a hunting family, I remember different cases my dad would talk about where this happened. Heck, one of them concerned a fella who was going through his home to assess the damage from a tornado and his 12 point fell off the wall and killed him. He died from puncture wounds to the heart. Or some bad character crossed paths with him, but the money and rifles would be gone I guess. Other than that, I'm stumped. My thoughts and prayers to his family, and I hope they find peace.
Interesting theory. That would explain the 911 calls he made. My old boss’s dog was attacked and killed by a buck, right here in the suburbs.
@@eucliduschaumeau8813 I also thought maybe he could have managed to get away and then laid down from being weak.
I guess the deer just waited for the time to get back.🤔🦌
@@thegreencat9947 You never know!
I honestly don't think he committed suicide. Perhaps someone was out in the woods and attacked Jeffrey. My condolences and prayers to his family. Thank you, Bryan, for covering this sad case.
Did they 2 friends have any problems before ..mysterious case
I cant believe that jeff would be lost on the first day then do the same thing again! Its obvious in the dark he would have even more chance of getting lost. If they went hunting together why didnt they stay together? It just seems very wierd the whole story. You dont kill yourself because you are lost so it points to foul play.
Did I miss if a weapon was found? This is insane!!!
They found his own knife underneath him half open with no blood on it. So what exactly did he stab himself 16 times with?
If they're willing to say this was self inflicted I'm willing to bet there was more evidence in those woods than we ever got to know about.
This case is beyond weird and eerie. I wonder why the men would wait until 4 pm to go out hunting. Most people get up early and begin hunting early in the morning. Ive never heard of someone taking their own life in such a bizarre way. Makes no sense. Very hard for me to believe that it happened like that.
answer: We often just hunt the PM, sunset into dark. We party late into the night and sleep-in.
@@RTFLDGR
I live next to a huge land trust and as I watched this video at 7:00 pm, the numerous deer in the area are all coming out and walking around my property. Evening would be my choice to hunt. They do the same thing every evening. I could hunt off my back porch if I were so inclined.
Ok. I stand corrected about hunting late in the day. But, the way he died??? Does suicide seem plausible to anyone?
Most don't hunt that late. It's very sketchy too.
@@cunit80What if something had them spooked?
Good thing that we dont beleive it. Trust your instincts😢❤❤❤
Prayers for Jeffrey’s survivors that unequivocal, solid answers, if such answers are possible, will eventually be provided concerning this puzzling death. It is clear that he was devoted to his Catholic faith, even joining the Knights of Columbu. His strong Catholic faith would also suggest that he would be less likely to have taken his own life as traditionally, the Catholic faith has been strongly opposed to someone taking their own life. I’m thinking, too, of his friends who accompanied Jeffrey on the deer hunting trip, a trip that should have been enjoyable for all. How difficult it must have been during those long hours of themselves and, finally, law enforcement, as they spent hours attempting to locate their friend. Friends -and probably authorities, as well - had hoped - indeed, expected that Jeffrey had just become lost in the woods, but instead,Jeffrey’s dead body was found with stab wounds that the coroner’s report stated were likely self-inflicted. There was only one set of boot footprints found at the scene, and the report indicated the footprints matched Jeffrey’s hunting boots sole and were the same shoe size. There doesn’t seem to be any evidence conflicting with suicide, but to me as a lay person, it sure seems to be an unconventional suicide. To me, it would have been more likely for a person intent on a quick and certain death to have used a firearm- assuming that the hunters weren’t using crossbows, as one of my relatives’ husband does, rather than firearms. But perhaps Jeffrey - if he were intent on suicide - feared that his friends would hear the sound of the gunshot and discover him in time to save his life. Also, it would seem to me that a stab wound would be very painful and not so instantaneously lethal as a bullet wound. However, Jeffrey was an experienced hunter, so he likely would have been more knowledgeable as how to stab himself in an area of his body where the wound would become very quickly fatal. The only way I, a lay person, can imagine it would be a homicide is if Jeffrey died at the hand of some deranged transient person living off the land in the woods or maybe a serial killer, as happened several decades ago on a well traveled trail in a national or state park in the South - possibly Georgia? In that instance, the man, who was older than serial killers generally are, maybe in his 60s, was friendly and accompanied by his dog, thereby appearing unthreatening. Among his victims were an older couple and a young woman, who also had a dog with her. I believe the young woman was his last victim. That killer was caught. Do you remember that case? Still, there were not other footprints…but the authorities found Jeffrey’s remains at 3 a.m. when it would have been very dark outside. I wonder whether they took sufficient samples for evidence from his body and were any samples such as a stray hair, for example, tested unknown DNA? One just wonders how thorough the investigation was. Very odd, very tragic.
Thank you, Bryan.
Thank you for watching!
None of this makes any sense. With friends like Darrel, you’d better run.
That’s ridiculous. Unless he had a psychotic break he didn’t do this imo . No blood on the knife but self inflicted ? n he closed it like it was while fatally wounded. Nonsense some could have attacked him n he fell there or he followed n their footsteps or vice versa n killed him , sounds more likely he was injured elsewhere. So sad for his family. Prayers for answers . They need a second opinion imo thanks for sharing take care
Thk you Bryan for this important work you are doing. God bless you. Prayers for all missing 🙏🏻
Wow, I can’t believe they believe he did this to himself. My prayers for the family🙏🏼
Deer attack? Though rare I guess, yes. But possible. It was getting into rutting season. Surprising an aggressive male could leave the types of wounds in the amount he had on his body.
I like that idea! Hunter becomes the hunted!
Beyond bizarre! Unresolved.
I love your posts i am so thankful for you. Keep it up you are amazing
Prayers to the family, seriously just make no sense. :(
My 2 cents would be: If those puncture wounds are more round than linear, I'd suspect he was attacked by a pre-rut whitetail buck - possibly rabid or maybe CWD. Surprised in the dark in thick tall grass with his rifles slung, he tried to fight off the attack - especially telling is the cut through the webbing between his thumb and forefinger.
Yes, they can be super aggressive and very strong. I would like to know more about the wounds.
I saw a story about two fishermen who were attacked by a buck. It was brutal. One of them managed to stab it to death after he was stabbed through his hand by the buck's antler. It was a crazy story.
Yes. The lock blade knife was partially open and it could have been slammed closed between his fingers as the blunt force was applied by the deer.
I thought of the same. Only the coroner could have told if it was blade or antler.
Highly unlikely
Sounds like some local law enforcement are protecting someone special.
This is bizarre.
This is bizarre. No animals means there was a large predator in area and if his friend didn't kill him- sure wasn't any help- something did.
nah... The popo dropped this case. not a suicide IMO. This was a homicide by human or non-human.
He did not do that to him self.Give me a break.
thank you Bryan.
He was attacked ..no way you stab yourself like that.. the cut on his hand. Suspicious. Thank you Bryan.
RIP Jeff....🙏🙏
This case is bizarre for sure. No way did he do this to himself.
BTW.....love your channel and you have the best voice.♥
I agree, it makes no sense! Thank you for watching and your kind feedback🙏🙏
When the cops drop something like this so suddenly and inexplicably I do wonder if it’s because they DID find out who the killer is… and can’t do anything about it.
Jeffrey, I never seen anything like this. That's a bear attack. The puncher wound in the abdomen, look like a 22 , bullet hole? That's the bears index claw, finger. If it was his teeth would of been a neck wound. I would find my sheep with their 4 legs popped out of socket laying on their back with a one by foot wide stripe by 2 foot long ripped from the sheep's under carriage, no other markings, no blood. County Trappers showed me what was killing my sheep. Never seen anything like that. Spooky.
And what was it killing you sheep?
There's no bears there. U guys go to go outdoors once In a while and learn what animals live were.
@@cunit80no bears in North Georgia? Oh yes there are
@@kissedbysun2517 That area is farther south and east. Not really wilderness. In fact, I find it odd that he kept getting lost when his home territory in the mtns. is FAR more wild. There could be bear there but not dense population. He should have been able to walk out of that without too much trouble, especially within hearing distance of shots / horn blasts.
Those areas... it's possible he hit a drug runner or grower's booby trap and managed to make it out to the tall grass area where he knew he had a better chance of being spotted from above. You didn't say if the autopsy report mentioned the age of the bruises and wounds.
The hand wound sounds defensive to some degree, like trying to stop a fall. I wonder if they could tell if it happened at the same time as the other wounds or if it happened later, as he was trying to find his way out.
His friend being avoidant at the funeral and all - investigators probably told him not to talk about it until he was either cleared or the investigation was over plus survivor's guilt. If he really had nothing to do with it, that is.
Adding: Moonshiner traps out there, too. There are "Dixie mafia" areas in the deep south that still have booby traps long after the person who set them died, so it wouldn't have even needed to be a recent trap. Nasty traps like punji sticks are not unheard of either.
Interesting idea. The cops know it was the shiners/drug runners and don't want to deal with it/risk crossing them, or got paid to ignore it.
OOF punji stick pits...For some CRAZY REASON I think of how horrible that would be to step into one of those!! It's a frequent "day"mare that I have...
@@brianwebber6996_ROADHUNTERanother good reason to stay on trail
Is it possible he was attacked/ambushed by a deer or larger animal at night? Do they know that the stab wounds were made by a knife?
Great job 👍
is it possible that an animal attacked him?? if not it was the person who was with him. what else could it possibly be. weird or what
It's possible that some of the puncture wounds, and the bruising etc could be the result of a bull elk attack. That's rutting season and they can get very aggressive. But that still leaves all the stab wounds out. I hope the coroner could tell the difference between stab wounds and punctures from an elk, and damage from being stomped on by an elk.
What a bizarre case! Glad to hear you sounding so much better ❤.
Shame on the ME!. My heart goes out to the family. The system failed them.
Occams Razor: It was his friend.
I was. On search and rescue for years in ky they things u just can't explain my friend
I hope they took Darryl's knife in for testing. I'm wondering if they asked him for it or if they ever obtained a warrant to seize important items from him. I pray they re-open this case for some sort of resolution and justice for Jeffery and his family
Thanks Brian, that was really interesting.
sounds like he got mauled by a stag of bull elk/moose. They attack a lot with hooves, hence bruises and scrapes, and to a lesser extent, antlers, hence punctures. Wild game also has no use for our currency....... just my take early on.
I think "Darryl" is lucky that the ME called it a suicide, knowing that the cops thought that he was the main suspect can only end in one way, I'm sure they would have charged and "found" evidence to get a conviction.
I’ve Been there a lot! I love that area. Hiawasse is amazing
Yes, my brothers live in Blairsville and my wife and I are retiring just west of there. It's wilder than where he died in East GA. Strange why he kept getting lost down there. It's totally different country than the mtns. A lot more pines and smaller hills. I dunno, doesn't make sense.
After hearing the first part, about the way he was found and about the many puncture wounds, probable suicide was my very first thought. Sounds crazy and bizarr, but happens and sometimes you find a lot of superficial wounds to the chest and abdomen in these cases. You also often find a cut to the persons hand, where they slipped off the bloody knife into the blade. To me it makes more sense than a murder, just follow the evidence. A big guy like him, how does he get puncture wounds? All wounds would have been a bit torn had there been a physical altercation and he'd been moving. If there had been a fight there would have been traces of that where he was found. 2) He still phoned his friend while it was already dark. In the area sunset time is around 7 p.m that time of year! So who could possibly have stumbled over him, attacked him for no reason, (politely asked him to stay still so he could stab him?) then positioned him like that with arms across the chest... all in the complete utter darkness, without getting it all messy with footprints all over? Look at the facts: his top unzipped but still on his body. His two rifles neatly beside him - his knife put half underneath his body, his arms crossed across his body... how does all that occur, if he was threatened or attacked by somebody in the dark? So what is the Why? It's known that depressed people often put on happy faces when around their family. And he could have wanted it to not look like a suicide for religious reasons. Who knows how stable he really was? It could have been a psychotic episode of some kind of a beginning mental illness he had tried to hide. He still lived with Mom at the age of 35, had a dream of doing better in life. What if the new school was too challenging and overwhelming? What if he thought he couldn't achieve as hoped or can't live up to expectations. The feeling of failure can become too much. And lastly, being an experienced outdoor man, getting lost on the first day is definitely a red flag. That sounds like a dry run to me. But to determine what really happened we would need to know many more details. What did his phone say about movement? How clean and deep were his wounds, really? I bet they found traces of his blood on the knife or another tool near by. Because the only way they could have concluded suicide was if they found some kind of weapon able to cause these wounds. And my guess is that they did.
He got lost twice. Very odd. And he was out after dark, too. Something doesn't add up. I wonder what the toxicology report showed.
Other commenters wondered about attack by a wild animal. That seems possible--bear, deer with antlers? Bruises could have been from running into trees and brush in the dark also, if he was panicked.
I agree, very odd getting lost twice.. but he wasn't that far into the wilderness and even his family thought something else must have been going on.. The toxicology report was clean.. no alcohol. No drugs. Plus he was known not to be a drinker. And yes, your thoughts on the bruises are quite plausible.. the question is what or who was he running from...? thank you for watching and your feedback!
Did they ever question the hunters, that his friend was dropping off? Sounds like he was fighting more than one person. Did they check and see what type of knife, that was used in the unaliving??? There are so many unanswered questions…
I'd be acting weird, too, if I'd already been accused of murder. There's nothing strange about that at all.
That's the same as two bullet wounds in the head being a suicide...
My thoughts are that his “friend” did it
Very sad case.
sounds like murder
His knife was clean with no blood. So with which knife he killed himself?
If the wounds matched ANY *known* animal they wouldnt have gone to the extreme of ruling it a suicide, the fact that they did makes me think something highly strange went on here. The friend might be hiding the fact that Jeff said something strange was after him, fearing he would be even further suspected while also being labeled crazy. They said the woods were oddly dead, no wildlife activity. Look into the missing/murdered bowhunters especially in Kentucky.
Unfortunately as a true crime and current news watchere, Georgia is to say the least inept
Makes you wonder if he didn't walk up on a wild hog, alligator, etc., in that tall grass. I'm sure they checked for such evidence, but you never know
Definitely was not self inflicted! Thats a trip
Bear or Dogman attack
He was attacked by some kind of cryptids.
Dogman
That is a very real possibility.
A fence you say?? I would like to know whose property was right there!! Firing off a round the day before... People get real weird about the thought of somebody shooting "their deer"!!
I think Jeffery shot a deer and thought it was dead, but it was knocked out.
He started to dress it and got out his knife, but the deer woke up.
I believe the deers horns account for the stab wounds and were the cause for his death.
He lay down on account of his wounds and the deer walked away.
Could have been a big buck deer... i have seen them take grown men down and deer are huge in north Georgia
I am so sorry for the families and friends loss. Sounds like a suspicious story. Should be looked at again by the police. Thanks for sharing this story.
They should have listed it undetermined. 1st, they need to prove he could have made those wounds himself. 2nd, they needed to determine if there was a blood trail. 3rd, if his friend was with other hunters when the calls came in, what happened after that?
For God Sake there would have been evidence on his own knife and dna on the handle if he did it himself yet I didn’t hear anything in this video stating they found his blood on his own knife or any other weapon he may have had so how can they conclude it’s self inflicted unless they haven’t released that publicly yet to protect his family’s privacy. This is bizarre and sad
Sad! Mysterious.
Were the cutting edge marks on the stab wounds all positioned the same ? Was the angle of the wounds relative to the body's long axis about the same?
Hunters need to carry air horns (canned) also. Except in avalanche areas, heavy snow.
Oh my God, has Georgia lost their minds? This is such an unjust ruling! Praying Fiercely the truth comes out
It kinda sounds like he got @ssassinated. Very odd, I doubt he stabbed himself 17 times. Maybe it had something to do with the knights of colombus.
There’s more to this. I think the investigators blew it. It doesn’t make sense that they didn’t look farther out from where he was found. If he had 17 knife wounds that didn’t come from his knife, where is the other knife and the person holding it? He might have eaten something toxic and had a bizarre episode. It doesn’t sound like the autopsy would have found this if they were incompetent. And if he was an experienced outdoorsman he wouldn’t eat something dangerous. Someone or something got away with murder. Prayers 🙏to the family and friends.
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there’s a part of the story missing! GBI hasn’t released all information/evidence yet.. is it even legal to wear ghillie suit to hunt in Georgia?
This is odd but the phone must prove Jeff was calling Darrell for help so they weren't together. And if there was none of Darrells dna found at the scene--to me he is innocent. I dont know--just odd. Most of the stab wounds were shallow. I am wondering if maybe he was dehydrated or had low sugar and just got very scared and disoriented.
I wonder. Is it possible for a person to stab themselves that many times & remain conscious through it all long enough to finish all those stabs? He'd have to really want to die down dead to go through all of that.
The knife was under him with no blood? Footprints mean nothing.