Push For Public Transport To Be Free In Australia
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- Опубліковано 19 тра 2024
- Only two countries in the world have public transport that is more expensive than Australia but there are calls for a radical solution to be tabled.
Making it free.
So, would it work?
#PT #PublicTransport #Australia
Most people: Yes it should be free.
Boomer: It should be free FOR ME.
Classic me generation.
Was literally just having this conversation. I really do think they are the most entitled generation
Government collects over $500 billion in tax every year. Tax was once worth it for free medical, education, transport etc
These days to see a Dr, you have to pay. Transport is a rip and education is a rip too.
Where does our tax money actually go?
To the rich
To oversea countries as gifts Palastine Tuvalu Cambodia Papua new guinea
And don't forget the zionist @@vernonwhite4660
Why the debate of expensive or free…how about it costs a bit less ie a weekly commute ticket for 25 dollars in Melbourne? That would help a lot of commuters out financially
Hear hear
Below a certain price point, it’s better to be completely tax payer funded.
Eg with cheaper tickets, the system still needs to pay for:
* ticket inspectors
* entry and exit screens
* ticketing software and hardware
* administration of fines and appeals
* etc…
03:29 - In Perth, kids under 18 are free and it's free for everyone on Sunday, so this already exists. Perth has the chepaest system in the country, especially considering there is no surcharge for airport travel on the airport train either, and all fares are capped at the 2-zone payment despite there being 9 zones.
Sundays used to be the least patronised day, now they are much busier than before
Perth daily fare is $10.30, you can go anywhere in Victoria for $10.60. so it's not the cheapest
** Cough cough **
Subsidised by the massive mining companies in northern WA's Pilbara
@@joebloggs24 They don't pay any tax though
@@dylanshimmi851
Maybe not the companies, but companies employ many people that are paid salaries and wages, including bonuses. These are spent within society so surely there must be a direct or indirect tax to capture sufficient revenue for government? If there isn't, then it's the government's policy makers not casting the net far or wide enough.
$60/wk - that's about right! Per year, cars cost:
Registration $1000
Servicing $350 (more for major servicing)
Petrol $1330 OR $1995 (assuming 10K OR 15K, 7L/100km efficiency, avg $1.90/L for petrol)
Total $2680, $52/wk OR $3345, $64/wk.
Insurance optional extra.
I still have to pay all those car expenses minus less fuel on top of $60 a week on public transport
Australian submarine deal over 30 years to cost up to $368b , so I think 1 or 2 less submarines and $2.2b p.a for free transport for next 30 years is a security risk I’m willing to take!
Im not chinese..are you?
You'll have a chance to tell it to comrade Xi himself when his troops will be on your doorsteps.
this the type of stuff they teach in special ed 💀
Public transport is cheaper than running a car; public transport is already subsidised by all taxpayers.
Public transport prices are growing faster than inflation and are badly managed. Woke initiatives to go full electric and mass demand by migrants are forcing travel expenses to continue. If we make our government make this free, our government then has to take focus of these other issues.
@@dylian_ whats the dictionary definition of woke?
@@jjperceval The dictionary defines 'woke' as 'past term of wake' (not important) and 'aware of and actively attentive to important facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)' (this definition is way too broad). I, along with many others, would argue it is an ideology; thus my description of the term is: 'an elitist proposition to radical social (usually progressive) change' for this definition covers more of what I am talking about. The government is busy appeasing these elitists by making those few rich people richer while keeping the rest of us spending more on public transport (which is actually better for the environment).
@@dylian_ in other words, "anything left of me is bad". What you said is essentially the same meaning the right give out, but without using ethnicities or colours
@@jjperceval no I didn't,I am adapting a policy platform to appeal to a political position. The original comment argues that from a populist conservative argument public transport should not be free. However, I argued the opposite, that elitism is the only ideology that argues against cheaper or free public transport and that only elitism argues pro-expense.
Public transport is already free. A vast majority of people in Melbourne do not touch on the myki. It's just that it is not official yet.
3:18, where in sydney is this? Bus stands at central seem relatively fine to me in peak hour. nowhere near 100's of metres for any lines. Trains are getting a little densely packed, depending on when you travel, and from where.
Nothing is free.
Having public transport free would reduce the amount of vehicles on the road, which would reduce congestion and it would reduce emissions. It would also make buses more efficient due to less congestion. I used public transport between 2000 & 2008 to travel to work and back. I preferred public transport to driving as a weekly ticket was $30 then.
Yep and also means less wear and tear on the road, thus less frequent maintenance. Then shift that funds to get more buses. If the city has higher population density with good corridor for public transport, then maybe they can consider building tram for higher capacity if its feasible to do so.
Free as in Medicare. Currently we pay out of pocket to see a GP. 6 weeks to see a specialist (private) and out of pocket expenses and 6 months to 1 year wait times with a Govt specialist. If we implement free trains then we have to wait for train for mag be 1 hour to arrive on time.
No, you buy more rolling stock and upgrade existing rail infrastructure to run more frequent rail services, like what NSW is doing converting the Bankstown line to a metro.
Let those who can, WFH.
At a minimum a bus ticket should be cheaper than 10km worth of fuel. i.e. $2 should be the most expensive a ticket should be. It's bonkers that the marginal cost of driving is often cheaper than PT.
It's always free if you don't tap on
The modelling isn’t complete. $2.2b is for the current capacity; what’s the cost of having enough capacity?
Why not optimise housing systems to reduce the need for people to commute as far?
(Be it with cars or with public transport)
This can also be funded through a reduction in road maintenance costs as if less people are driving then roads won’t need to be resurfaced as frequently so it could possibly save the government a lot of money in the long run! :)
Unless figures have changed , only 10 % of people catch public transport.
The real problem is the transport system was designed 100 or more years ago and does not go where people need it to go
It's between 10-20% for most capital cities, and the problem you point out is being addressed in multiple capitals.
Is there public transport in Melbourne considering frequent train cancellations
Is this bait? 98% of services run each month.
The tram fees in the non-free tram zone in Melb makes no sense. You travel 1 stop outside of the free tram zone and pay $5. Dumbest system ever. It should be proportional to distance.
No. Free = more tax. Those who use it must pay. Subsidiary is the right way. I would love to see the current $50 per week cap reduced a little.
We pay so much tax. Income tax, GST, land taxes, capital gains tax, fuel excise, stamp duty etc. When you really think about it, the tax brackets are actually an illusion. You don't keep whatever is left after paying income tax, you pay even more in hidden taxes like what I listed above. We deserve more free stuff.
This won't cause more taxes for most. This should just stop subsidising the rich electric car industry by making a less class based alternative actually effective.
Free transport for all immediately will cause massive issues. Lack of capacity is the obvious one but it also increases the mobility of society's worst.
Income tax is the easiest tax to collect on PAYG workers, so governments love it. And because tax cuts always widen the gap between high and low income earners it is manifestly unfair. Prices don't discriminate. GST was supposed to replace a raft of state taxes like stamp duty etc. But states refused to do so because not all the collected GST money is returned to where it is paid.
@thevannmann and nothing is free. Taxpayers who don't use that public transport are paying and subsidising those who do.
luxury car tax 33% ' 10% import duty o european imports ' alchoal excsie 74% . A 2018 mercedes c63s in my born country $67000 . abolish luxury car tax " import duty & stamp duty this would lower the price new cars in australia and make used cars alot cheaper
Make it free and the demand will become infinite.. (Then you will need to build more stations and run more trains/trams/buses etc). Economics 101
Public transport is to be used with everyone the cost of 2.2 Billion is just the snow that sits on top of the mountain. Maintenance is needed badly hence this Big Build Project is implemented and with this it should run a 24 hour service so for those who like to go to concerts in the city or other functions that require odd hours can be rest assured a safe trip home.
As for the Airport rail should be done ages ago as the airport is arguing over how it should be built must stop!!
Ticketing should be at the door like that we see at train stations, so if you have a ticket the doors will open, Free for those who are looking for jobs, Free for those that are on a pension and the like, for those who have a Bike better tracks with signage as we see on roads, rail crossings in rural hot spots to be eliminated. I see Bike track alongside train tracks a good idea.
So ware do we think we get the funds from? of course the ticketing system, ware you have the ticket At The Door!! everywhere!!!
Did you see the proposed travel times for the rail to the airport? The travel times from Southern Cross were the same as Sky Bus (give or take a few minutes).
I’m all for a train if it’s actually better. A self-driving train would be incredible.
Adding a train just to have a train doesn’t make much sense.
They don't want anyone driving cars in the cities...wake up
People on concession cards free but, the problem is Busses are not reliable coz they get stuck in peak hour traffic...what the nation needs is bus transit roads and fly overs. And dedicated freight roads for trucks too...that should ease the traffic on our roads and reduce the toll fees too.
And pigs will fly before that happens in Australia!
Social media is starting to talk about how many billions in royalties Aussies are missing out on with our natural resources...
Government: buy them off with free travel.
Good solution....if price was the problem. It's not.
Good public transport is in the nice areas already.
Go free for all, at least in major cities
A great idea. Better....Everyone should have an Opal card $2.50 for a day.
What about $1 for a daily, you would have everyone tap without thinking.
Luxumbourg has free public transport
If they can tax the 'Australian' natural resource companies....they can fund this.
Should be free for everybody .. fund it with tax
Dont they tax their minerals, oil and gas, while we give ours away for free.
I was saying this 15years ago
Not free, make it like 80% cheaper.
More tram//trains.
Improve service, increase feasibility.
Increase fines on vandalism.
Less road maintenance needed, so that can fund education and housing issues.
Free for all retirees😊
I want a cheaper fare
$2B per year to pay for free transport. Where does the $2B come from? It comes from the Government who has to get that from somewhere. Where do they get it from? The public through taxes or increased taxes. So it’s really the people that pay for a “free” ride. So in consequence there’s no such thing as a free ride
Potentially savings from inner city road capacity increases
$2B was the cost of trialling for one year (i.e. loss of revenue only). If the trial were to be successful, the cost of maintaining the payment equipment and systems would be eliminated, and the number of transport police could be substantially reduced because they wouldn't be needed to check if passengers had paid; they would only be needed to deal with bad behaviour. I have no idea how much these savings would be because it wasn't mentioned in the video which was woefully short on facts and barely worth the time it took to watch it; it was a silly 'entertainment' piece.
@@Innesb so true! Maybe even tiny benefits in:
* workforce participation rate and hours worked (as short, low paid shifts will be more worthwhile to the worker)
* increased worker punctuality (as if a worker forgot to top up their travel card, they may miss their train)
* reduced congestion at entrances/exists - some stations have a fence that could simply be removed
If you think 'tax payers will have to fork out', you are not really wrong, but that's only half of the story.
Everyone is paying it anyway even if they are moving air. Utilise existing capacity doesn't cost anything extra.
And it will be very likely to save tens of billions when 'urgent road upgrades' not really needed anymore.
Wondering if public transport should be free? Tune in to watch a bunch of clueless TV personalities speculate!
Rubbish. It ain't pricey. Try the UK. AU public transport is as cheap as chips. But in NSW we pay $5K a household for TfNSW.
Free? So who pays? 😅
Those who use it should pay for it, not those who don't.
If you did want to try 'free' for a year, we could just add the 2.2 billion onto Victoria's Suburban Rail Loop cost as there is zero accountability there already and nothing with that project needs a business case to be produced.
What about non-user benificiaries? People who never use public transport still benefit from its existence - a tram with 100 people on board is 20 less cars on the road IF they all carried 5 people each - most cars only carry one person, so that's 100 less cars on the road per tram. A train with a thousand people on board could be a thousand less cars on the road. People using public transport means less congestion, less noise, less pollution, less accidents, etc - so it is not fair to suggest only users should pay.
Free? They bump prices every 3 months. A 33 min train ride costs 6 dollars. It is bonkers.
New York single trip ticket no matter the distance was 2.50 in 2012 and is 2.75 today in 2024.
Nothing is free, someone has to pay eventually.
"The New York MTA projects a US$16 billion deficit through fiscal 2024 now and plans service cuts of 40 percent on subways and buses and 50 percent on regional rail."
We should make it free for citizens and make immigrants pay for it.
Yes, all immigrants who came here after 1788 pay, and the locals get free rides. Sounds good
@@yesand5536 Nah I mean recent immigrants who don’t have citizenship you weirdo.
How would you even police that? Ask everyone to carry their passport with them? Ridiculous.
Your having laugh, they can't even get it right with the prices their charging now.
Free? You serious? Australians expect too much to be free. You’ll be paying higher taxes for people who want to use public transport, and you can bet they won’t tax enough to keep the network up to scratch.
Free public transport is an absolutely horrible idea for the reasons listed below.
1. There will be lots of anti-social elements on our public transport going here and there just for a joyride. If you want public transport to be less safe - free public transport is surely a way to go. There should be at least one dollar fee for any trip.
2. there is a question of funding. How do you recover the lost revenue? Raise taxes?
3. How do you fund extra capacity required?
Any of you people who are advocating for free public transport, have answers to the above questions?
Her first statement is incorrect - pt was definitely more expensive in London where I lived for 6 years. I paid £11 per day to commute to and from work ($21).
3rd most expensive public transport in the world to suddenly be made free? 😂Just be realistic and drop the price by a decent amount.
So....the regional areas with NO public transport will subsidise the cities...again!
One of the foundation stones of Andrewsism.
Why don't government create jobs near people live?
both high tax countres why home ownership in switzland 40%
It will help students, they will not need to pay for school either i think there should be a service where students get carried to school - free ofcourse
Nothing is free.
Nothing is free.
Correction… not even nothing is free anymore.
Whatever Kevin