@@randallhubbard654 Sakura can react to, and bruise Kaguya. the 4 kage + Sasuke were stated to be the best force they can manage by Shikamaru, when Sakura was right there, meaning that each of the 4 kage are individually greater than Sakura. Darui was incapable of reacting to Momoshiki at all, and he gets even stronger throughout the fight. Fused Momoshiki should be over Kaguya since Sakura has no indication of a nerf, if anything she got buffed.
the whole thing of the off guard dura could be debunked by teen naruto feats who scales below his adult version. if you swap the naruto who had relative ap to kaguya ( via cutting her arm off) against isshiki he would get slapped cuz isshiki folded a stronger version of naruto. that's enough to prove that her ap didn't scale anywhere with an off guard feat
I just realized, momo is a bad opponent for kaguya to face Because he's strong in the areas she is weak in, like taijutsu. Momo vs naruto and sasuke is a bad match up for momo because naruto and sasuke are both experts in taijutsu. I might not have explained that well but my point is that matchups are a thing. Usain bolt can win a race but not a marathon, that kind of thing.
@@gamabumda4196 it’s chakra based so momoshiki absorbs it and fires it back with far superior power, kaguya is all about hax and it not really smart or fast And can not throw hands, momoshiki is fast strong and can fight with hands and can absorb any chakra based attacks and fire it back with almighty power, kaguya no smart as shown black zestu had to guide her and tell her what to do throughout the fight, when it comes to her dimension swapping and the low gravity land, momoshiki can just use space time ninjustu to escape or shift dimensions, momoshiki counters all her abilities and is better at hand to hand combat and is faster so he can blitz her and win
@@letsgoboss5621 kaguya came with a plan to kill isshiki and stopped endless wars and fought her sons months who both where excellent fighters without zetsu. Ninetails also tells naruto what to do and unlike ninetails zetsu is her will. armado said if isshiki get his original body we ( refering to naruto and sasuke ) cannot stop him. so no caught off guard or trick nothing else. yet kaguya managed to kill him. so armado implies kaguya> adult naruto sasuke >momo. Her ash bones are real bones which can't be absorbed. She was preparing for the entire Otsutsuki clan
@@gamabumda4196 what? the off guard was because kaguya was his teammate? the reason theres no stopping this isshiki for naruto and sasuke is because they have no ability to take him my surprise. she has a one shot move in ash bones, which sure cant be absorbed, but isshiki can shrink them. she wasnt preparing for the whole clan, the scrolls state the enemy were momoshiki and kinshiki, who she coukdnt oppose without an army, and fused momoshiki is stronger than kaguya through various statements. kaguya got blitzed by sakura and injured by her, got her arm chopped off by teen naruto, got blitzed by dms kakashi, and her speed wasnt an issue for naruto and sasuke in weaker versions once they adapted to her. isshiki speedblitzed and basically one shot adult naruto and sasuke who far exceed their teen selves, and they couldnt react to them this means isshikis speed > naruto and sasuke adults > kaguya ~ teen naruto and sasuke (kaguya got blitzed by naruto and people relative to them) she gets blitzed and destroyed by isshiki. debunk all of this and ill agree shes above them.
@@GeorgeMMA kaguyas ash bones are real bones which can't be absorbed. Kawaki stated that Boruto can sense him because they are part of Otsutsuki. Which means Isshiki could sense Kaguya and she tored him before she got chakra fruit and tentails. Isshiki had no chakra left to plant the karma, which hints he used it against her in a fight. He also has terrible body time limit, hence Kawaki destroyed him, while Kaguya is immortal and fought her sons months. Isshiki escaped from kaguya so its impossible for her to only prepare for momo and kinshiki. The scroll only confirms they are part of it. Naruto fought kaguya who had incomplete tentails and wanted her chakra back not kill and it was 5vs 1. Give same nerf to isshiki and look he had trouble fighting kashin koji lmao and his vessel jigen got killed and Isshiki had to reincarnate himself. Adults are rusty stated by ninetails and lost six path. after he lost kurama, he coulndt heal adult sasukes lost rinnegan eye. Teen naruto could heal kakashis eye. Kaguya regenerated her arm so there was no need to dodge naruto. Its possible she let it happen.
@@The-Beyonder i won't lose my time to reread the series when a random person on youtube doesn't agree with me i have a life actually. chakra increase phisical strengh and stamina but kaguya doesn't use her fist or smth like that
Should have probably brought up how Himawari could one shot Naruto off guard despite base Naruto tanking that same attack from Fused momo. Off guard feats don't mean squat.
Yeah no.offgaurd doesn't mean not amping your self with chakra, it can me that as seen in the case with ishiki and kakuya As Ishiki had no reason to Amp himself in that situation. Whereas in the two situation were he got off gaurded by Naruto and sauske he had no reason to stop amping himself by chakra.
Is Boruto power scaling fucked? Appears like Naruto + Sasuke got dominated by Jigen, i haven't caught up to manga, do you think Naruto + Sasuke have been nerfed since end of Shippuden?
ishikki had no idea kaguya would betray him and had absolutely no defense up at all i can argue every time he gets kicked suddenly by naruto or sasuke he is in gaurd cuz he knows he’s about to fight or he’s already fighting. your arguments about that were weak i think this guy didn’t know how to counter them
@@Nirvana-igneel you must be a dumbass than cuz you don’t know wtf your saying his life litterally depended on him beating naruto and he went to the ten tails to amp himself before fighting him so your just stupid
@@gamabumda4196 sensing someone and sensing their killer intent are two completely different things both of them were partners there was nothing for him to suspect.
@@Nirvana-igneel yeah well that's not good enough. People who are not threats can still harm you if the chakra is not amping you. There is no reason to believe that ishiki did not have his chakra amp him
@@FeedbackSolos firstly power wise other than Baryon Mode, Naruto has never shown to be more powerful than he was in teen...he's would only beat Teen Naruto in Taijitsu that's it lol... secondly even a normal rasenshuriken is more powerful than a single giant rasengan unless Borushiki's which could amplify it...and Kaguya tanked multiple tailed beast rasenshurikens bruh.... thirdly, Boruto's the one who forced it on Momo not Naruto himself...and we are talking about Fused let alone Base Momo🤣
Kaguya got sealed twice and Momoshiki died to a rasengan. If Momoshiki had the 10 tail he could of been stronger than kaguya and probably fold naruto sasuke and boruto
he would never have ten tails because otsutsuki’s harvest chakra from other planets and you need someone with a good amount of chakra to feed to the ten tails,thats why he placed the karma on boruto,so he can the ten tails eat kawaki to bear a chakra fruit so momoshiki will absorb once he has fully resurrected
@@AskinNukkLeVarr why wouldn’t she be her truth seeking orb planetary to multi momoshiki losing too moon level characters at 50% you tell me who’s stronger
She doesn’t😹😹y’all comparing war arc sasuke and naruto to adult sasuke and naruto. Sasuke said himself momoshiki was a bigger threat than kaguya he even said he’d fight her again and win😹😹😹😹
@@ahmedramadanov8989 no kaguya literally came to earth trying to hide form momoshiki he is clearly stronger she built and entire white zestu army for them
I’m pretty sure Spener thinks Momoshiki beats Kaguya and he’s testing his debating skills.
This was the most chill discord debate I've ever seen
Spencer should do IRL topics >:)
"I am holding up" Lmao
He did vs zeref on kingdom of debates sorta recently
Boruto powerscale doesn't make much sense to me.
Yes
It does because kaguya momoshiki
Kaguya < momoshiki
The power scaling is ass tho
@@randallhubbard654 Sakura can react to, and bruise Kaguya. the 4 kage + Sasuke were stated to be the best force they can manage by Shikamaru, when Sakura was right there, meaning that each of the 4 kage are individually greater than Sakura. Darui was incapable of reacting to Momoshiki at all, and he gets even stronger throughout the fight. Fused Momoshiki should be over Kaguya since Sakura has no indication of a nerf, if anything she got buffed.
I remember when this meta was getting used by you and paths Troy and Jason were the main victims of this meta 🤣
Bro sixpaths hoed me so much
@@Nightmare-zz6xl Ong he even debated you and debunked the meta he used on you 🤣😂
What about the fact that naruto chopped off on of kaguyas arms but he can Bradley damage jigen as an adult
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Naruto iin boruto
@@dyrusstalker8028 CAP
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😹😹just stop talking atp
Jigen ain't above her isshiki with kawaki body is
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I am loving the videos Spencer 🔥🔥🔥
the whole thing of the off guard dura could be debunked by teen naruto feats who scales below his adult version. if you swap the naruto who had relative ap to kaguya ( via cutting her arm off) against isshiki he would get slapped cuz isshiki folded a stronger version of naruto. that's enough to prove that her ap didn't scale anywhere with an off guard feat
Man you coulda atleast said this was old ina title now I gotta defend this shit 😭😭😭
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I just realized, momo is a bad opponent for kaguya to face Because he's strong in the areas she is weak in, like taijutsu. Momo vs naruto and sasuke is a bad match up for momo because naruto and sasuke are both experts in taijutsu. I might not have explained that well but my point is that matchups are a thing. Usain bolt can win a race but not a marathon, that kind of thing.
Kaguya had god vaccuum attack which destroyed sasukes perfect susanoo and this attack is taijutsu in databook
@@gamabumda4196 it’s chakra based so momoshiki absorbs it and fires it back with far superior power, kaguya is all about hax and it not really smart or fast And can not throw hands, momoshiki is fast strong and can fight with hands and can absorb any chakra based attacks and fire it back with almighty power, kaguya no smart as shown black zestu had to guide her and tell her what to do throughout the fight, when it comes to her dimension swapping and the low gravity land, momoshiki can just use space time ninjustu to escape or shift dimensions, momoshiki counters all her abilities and is better at hand to hand combat and is faster so he can blitz her and win
@@letsgoboss5621 kaguya came with a plan to kill isshiki and stopped endless wars and fought her sons months who both where excellent fighters without zetsu. Ninetails also tells naruto what to do and unlike ninetails zetsu is her will. armado said if isshiki get his original body we ( refering to naruto and sasuke ) cannot stop him.
so no caught off guard or trick nothing else.
yet kaguya managed to kill him.
so armado implies kaguya> adult naruto sasuke >momo. Her ash bones are real bones which can't be absorbed. She was preparing for the entire Otsutsuki clan
@@gamabumda4196 what? the off guard was because kaguya was his teammate? the reason theres no stopping this isshiki for naruto and sasuke is because they have no ability to take him my surprise. she has a one shot move in ash bones, which sure cant be absorbed, but isshiki can shrink them. she wasnt preparing for the whole clan, the scrolls state the enemy were momoshiki and kinshiki, who she coukdnt oppose without an army, and fused momoshiki is stronger than kaguya through various statements. kaguya got blitzed by sakura and injured by her, got her arm chopped off by teen naruto, got blitzed by dms kakashi, and her speed wasnt an issue for naruto and sasuke in weaker versions once they adapted to her. isshiki speedblitzed and basically one shot adult naruto and sasuke who far exceed their teen selves, and they couldnt react to them this means isshikis speed > naruto and sasuke adults > kaguya ~ teen naruto and sasuke (kaguya got blitzed by naruto and people relative to them) she gets blitzed and destroyed by isshiki. debunk all of this and ill agree shes above them.
@@GeorgeMMA kaguyas ash bones are real bones which can't be absorbed. Kawaki stated that Boruto can sense him because they are part of Otsutsuki.
Which means Isshiki could sense Kaguya and she tored him before she got chakra fruit and tentails.
Isshiki had no chakra left to plant the karma, which hints he used it against her in a fight.
He also has terrible body time limit, hence Kawaki destroyed him, while Kaguya is immortal and fought her sons months. Isshiki escaped from kaguya so its impossible for her to only prepare for momo and kinshiki. The scroll only confirms they are part of it. Naruto fought kaguya who had incomplete tentails and wanted her chakra back not kill and it was 5vs 1. Give same nerf to isshiki and look he had trouble fighting kashin koji lmao and his vessel jigen got killed and Isshiki had to reincarnate himself. Adults are rusty stated by ninetails and lost six path. after he lost kurama, he coulndt heal adult sasukes lost rinnegan eye. Teen naruto could heal kakashis eye. Kaguya regenerated her arm so there was no need to dodge naruto. Its possible she let it happen.
Do people forget this Kaguya feat was thousands of years into the past?
she got sealed she didn't got stronger
@@Shinku7 She took chakra from the entire world so yeah she did get stronger technically since the population got stronger themselves
@@The-Beyonder taking more chakra/getting stronger this isn't the same thing she just got more stamina that's all
@@Shinku7 lmao yes it is Chakra doesn't just increase stamina. You need to re-read the series
@@The-Beyonder i won't lose my time to reread the series when a random person on youtube doesn't agree with me i have a life actually. chakra increase phisical strengh and stamina but kaguya doesn't use her fist or smth like that
New dc link pls
Should have probably brought up how Himawari could one shot Naruto off guard despite base Naruto tanking that same attack from Fused momo.
Off guard feats don't mean squat.
Didn't hima use her byakugan which ignores durability?😉
@@josephisrael8959 you do know momoshiki used gentle fist too right? Which requires the byakugan 😂
@@AskinNukkLeVarr in the fight against the kage, naruto and sasuke, even naruto says “the gentle fist?” When it hits him
@@AskinNukkLeVarr idk the exact chapter 😂 it’s in the momoshiki fight find it yourself
@@AskinNukkLeVarr it’s in the anime too 😂 not my problem you miss details
Yeah no.offgaurd doesn't mean not amping your self with chakra, it can me that as seen in the case with ishiki and kakuya As Ishiki had no reason to Amp himself in that situation. Whereas in the two situation were he got off gaurded by Naruto and sauske he had no reason to stop amping himself by chakra.
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@@shounenfax4919 He’s not the real saad though 🤧
Saad😃
Is Boruto power scaling fucked? Appears like Naruto + Sasuke got dominated by Jigen, i haven't caught up to manga, do you think Naruto + Sasuke have been nerfed since end of Shippuden?
It is but in this fight they weren't nerfed
They havent been
ishikki had no idea kaguya would betray him and had absolutely no defense up at all i can argue every time he gets kicked suddenly by naruto or sasuke he is in gaurd cuz he knows he’s about to fight or he’s already fighting. your arguments about that were weak i think this guy didn’t know how to counter them
Naa bro they where good enough jigen never really saw them as a threat so I don't think he will have his gard up for fodder lol
@@Nirvana-igneel you must be a dumbass than cuz you don’t know wtf your saying his life litterally depended on him beating naruto and he went to the ten tails to amp himself before fighting him so your just stupid
@@nice-view428 she tored him before she got chakra fruit and tentails.
@@gamabumda4196 sensing someone and sensing their killer intent are two completely different things both of them were partners there was nothing for him to suspect.
@@Nirvana-igneel yeah well that's not good enough. People who are not threats can still harm you if the chakra is not amping you. There is no reason to believe that ishiki did not have his chakra amp him
Can someone drop the link to that server. The place the debate took place.
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@@snowforest4159 huh 🗿
@@shounenfax4919 I mean tanwin
base Momoshiki destroys Kaguya
I sgree
Wt a joke🤣🤣🤣...Momo got one tapped by giant rasengan and Kaguya tanked multiple tailed beasts Rasenshurikens and still didn't die
@@DS-dw3pz that's cause adult Naruto is stronger than teen Naruto+Ur late asf
@@FeedbackSolos firstly power wise other than Baryon Mode, Naruto has never shown to be more powerful than he was in teen...he's would only beat Teen Naruto in Taijitsu that's it lol... secondly even a normal rasenshuriken is more powerful than a single giant rasengan unless Borushiki's which could amplify it...and Kaguya tanked multiple tailed beast rasenshurikens bruh.... thirdly, Boruto's the one who forced it on Momo not Naruto himself...and we are talking about Fused let alone Base Momo🤣
@@DS-dw3pz databooks did+it was Naruto's power
Kaguya got sealed twice and Momoshiki died to a rasengan.
If Momoshiki had the 10 tail he could of been stronger than kaguya and probably fold naruto sasuke and boruto
he would never have ten tails because otsutsuki’s harvest chakra from other planets and you need someone with a good amount of chakra to feed to the ten tails,thats why he placed the karma on boruto,so he can the ten tails eat kawaki to bear a chakra fruit so momoshiki will absorb once he has fully resurrected
She is far beyond momoshiki
way below him you mean
@@XWatcherX-i8h below isshiki and the new outsuki
He took multiple kicks from sasuke tbh both point blank
Hm
Momo would win
The anime is very inconsistent so it's a tuff debate
Momoshiki is nothing to kaguya this is facts
No.
That’s absolutely cap lmao
@@too_official6194 💀💀💀 feats
@@randallhubbard654 Why would Kaguya be above Momo?
@@AskinNukkLeVarr why wouldn’t she be her truth seeking orb planetary to multi momoshiki losing too moon level characters at 50% you tell me who’s stronger
Kaguya negs
No
She doesn’t😹😹y’all comparing war arc sasuke and naruto to adult sasuke and naruto. Sasuke said himself momoshiki was a bigger threat than kaguya he even said he’d fight her again and win😹😹😹😹
@@sasukeuchiha4814 that was just an assumption based off of vague statements
@@ahmedramadanov8989 no kaguya literally came to earth trying to hide form momoshiki he is clearly stronger she built and entire white zestu army for them
@@sasukeuchiha4814 she hadnt eaten the chakra fruit when she came to earth. She negs them afterwards