Jeff is a legend. He has been able to create some custom C64 case saver parts. I've got a C64 case that has tabs that he has never seen before. He designed, 3D printed and sent me some prototypes that are 99% spot on!
The HDI-45 video cable you have is extremely unobtanium. It was only used on Power Macintosh 6100, 7100 and 8100. No other machines at all, and was only supported by the Apple AudioVision 14 display. It was one of the attempts by Apple to mimic what NeXT had done: single cable between CPU (as in the computer unit) and the display, and having all the desktop stuff connect to the display. NeXT had an alternative too, the SoundBox, where you connect stuff to the SoundBox, which sits in between everything on the desk and the computer itself. They've been most successful with the Thunderbolt Display variety, and that's kind of doable on PCs nowadays too thanks to that. The cable you have is for Houdini and Houdini II cards and plugged into the 040 PDS slot on early Quadras and the special 601 to 040 PDS slot of the 6100 DOS Compatible. Don't trust Wikipedia on this stuff, it was not NuBus anything and was a 68040 thing although used on only two models of computer (Centris / Quadra 610 Dos Compatible and PowerMac 6100 Dos Compatible. Both had special slot adapters for it since normally they indeed had the 90° 040 PDS to NuBus adapter installed, but this card required a special 90° 040 PDS adapter AFAIK only used on these special Mac models. The card itself can plug into any early Quadra (except LC475 aka Quadra 605, which isn't a "real" Quadra but uses the 020/030 LC PDS slot instead even with the 040 CPU). I have my Houdini II card and cable in a Quadra 950 and had to search for a couple of years to find the right cable for it once I had managed to find the extremely rare card itself. I could loan it to you if you want to make a video on it.
Yeah those HDI cables are difficult to find. Luckily I got one somehow shortly after I found my 6100/66. Even found the 1mb graphics card which is even MORE unobtanium.
I think they had a little bit of success with the ADC connector in the early 2000s. There were several monitors that used ADC as well as (almost?) all the computers they released during that time. It was successful in that many people used those monitors and machines, but I don't think there were very many people who actually LIKED the connector.
@@StarkRG ADC failed along with AGP 8x, when suddenly Apple's proprietary use of previously "not connected" pins they used for USB and +25V from their motherboards to the custom AGP cards were used for extra AGP data pins. The most successful Apple proprietary connectors are Lightning, Mini-Displayport and the 30-pin iPod/iPhone/iPad dock connector. Out of these, Mini-Displayport has become an actual industry standard.
I passed up on getting a Power Mac 8100 literally today specifically because of that 45 pin display connector. It had already been pillaged for the secondary PDS video card that I believe came stock with the machine.
I've seen other people suggest "Micro Mail Call" on a couple of recent clips but this is legitimately micro, less than 10 minutes long from freakin' Adrian :-P
Finally, a "mini" video that's actually mini! Not really complaining, just glad to see that you finally did a "mini" video that is actually shorter than your normal videos!
1:45 It's a video cable for the built-in video on PM 6100/7100/8100. It connected to the video that shared RAM with the main RAM. These systems, especially the 7100/8100, usually came with a separate card with its own video RAM. This cable was typically NOT included (at least with 7100/8100) and was hard to find and spend-y even back in the day! IIRC the cable to use the shared RAM topped out at 640x480 @65536 colours (thoudands) or 800x600 @ 256 colours. The card with full RAM expansion (it sometimes shipped less than fully populated) would do at least 800x600 @ 16777216 (millions).
I never owned the PowerMac version, but the cable looks in the video to be identical to the older one for Houdini on the Quadra/Centris 610, not just the PM x100s.
Yup, hard to find the original DOS Compatibility card cable. This one is indeed for the Power Macintosh 6100 or Quadra/Centris 610. There are plans available online to wire up and build your own. This DOS card in those systems were used with a right angle riser card (with a different connector between the PPC/68K macs) and the actual DOS card would fit into a PDS slot on that riser. You could actually use the card in other Macs with that PDS slot such as a Quadra 700 or Quadra/Centris 650, though the back of the card would not actually reach the back of the case, so you could run the cable inside via a slot. There were 3rd party cards too (Reply made some) and those cards were more for the Quadra/Centris 650. They came with an extension board that just extended that high density connector on a PCB so that it reached the back of the Mac.
the 7100/80 also had the same built-in *ANTI-STANDARD* video connector; another crappy decision by apple, as no monitor was made using that connector, the adapter shown in this video was mandatory for all those early PowerPC Macs
This cable is for the DOS Compatibility Card for the Quadra 610 and Power Macintosh 6100. The card will also work with the Quadra 700 (with a port extender) and a Centis 610 (without a port extender). This cable does not work with the 12" version of the Apple PC Compatibility Card. That card requires a different cable.
Funny, literally to my left on my main desk is a 6116CD with the dos card in it and I am using that cable to an apple display. I have DOS on it right now and its on my to-do list to load win3.11, maybe next weekend. My mother in law had the 6100 in her garage and couldn't recall where it came from and I found a guy not far from me who sold a NOS DOS compatibility kit for $100. My father had the same setup when I was a teen way back. I think its a neat collector piece that I could load a lot of interesting software of the day, both PC and Apple.
The National Instruments VirtualBench getting its place on the bench won't go unnoticed to the person who donated it to you! I recall how you recently regretted not having used it much in the past, and you've gone the extra mile of bringing it into the set for all to see. Details like that show the kind of nice guy you are.
Oh, man. I just bought one of those video adapter cables for my 7100 a few weeks ago. I feel like I got lucky finding it. It even ended up being new old stock. I also have a Houdini card and the guts from the Quadra that it ran in, but I DON'T have the cable, and the last time I tried to find one, it was going for like $200.
I used one of those machines back in the day. My employer bought one for the specialty toy store he owned. We had been using a Mac 512 which we used for making signage in the store along with all of our bookkeeping forms and did some high level accounting and then we switched to this machine. It fit perfectly with what we were doing in the store where we mostly did everything on a Mac but occasionally someone sent us something that needed to run on an Intel PC.
It took me a few months to find to this cable and I paid nearly $100 for it. I really enjoyed playing with my 6100/66 DOS compatible but the SCSI hard drive failed. I need to get around to installing the SCSI2SD I got for it. Might have to be a weekend project.
3:45 Correct. The card was designed to be a full-screen take over. It worked in practice kind of like the Apple //e card for the LC in that it took over the whole system while in DOS/Win 3.1 mode.
IIRC, you could let the Powermac do processing in the background (especially if you had RAM installed on the card), which might have differentiated it from the Apple IIe card. Been a very long time since I've used one.
Up until about a year ago those cables for the DOS cards were easily going for about $30-$50, then something happened that caused them to seemingly double in price overnight. I wouldn't be surprised at all if for most people looking to complete the set that this would be the last piece. It works but is a bit of a mess coming off the back of my 6100...I myself am still looking for the angled pds adapter to install it into a Quadra 610.
There was apparently at least one special monitor that plugged directly into the HDI-45 port and had built-in speakers and a mic. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_AudioVision_14_Display
I have one of the 12" PCI ones with the Pentium. It came out of a PowerMac 7200 PC compatible that used an internal cable to swap between the Mac and PC. One day years and years ago I found the proper external cable on Ebay so I was able to use it in my PM9600 which I thought was pretty neat.
For about 2 years in the mid 1990s administered a lab of Power Mac 6100s with the DOS card at a uni. DOS card wasn’t really used much, just for one or two programs that were DOS only.
Just picked up a Power Macintosh 6100/610 DOS Compatible that has this cable, it's amazing to see how well this actually worked in 1995. The PC card boots off of disk images that are stored on the Mac hard drive. The system came with Windows 3.1 on it, but the manuals state that it's able to be upgraded to Windows 95 as well. (I don't believe it supports Windows NT, but as soon as I can image the hard drive and transfer it to a SCSI2SD card, I'm hoping to be able to try.)
That video cable kinda reminds me of my parents old Apple monitor connector that’s DB-15 (maybe it’s called DA-15 don’t remember). I recently got a vga adapter for it recently and it works perfectly
Still got mine, 486 CPU, the only way to play DooM at the time (on a Mac!)! (I tried playing it on ma Mac IIx which had 6 monitors plugged into it and only managed a postage stamp size gaming area to make it playable!
The Apple Macintosh Performa 630 (CD) (PC) features a 33 MHz 68LC040 processor, 4 MB or 8 MB of RAM, and a 250 MB hard drive in a compact desktop case. The Performa 630CD added an internal 2X CD-ROM drive and the Performa 630 PC-Compatible shipped with a 66 MHz Intel 486DX2 processor card which can have a maximum of 32 MB of RAM dedicated to the DOS/Windows operating system. I had this exact machine running Windows 95 (not plus - it couldn't handle it) - never needed this cable! Command + Enter switched between the Mac and Windows on the same monitor. Unfortunately, we sold this one (WORKING) a long time ago. we should have kept it.
The Bare bones Power mac 6100 sold for $1819 with the PC compatibility card back in 1995. The model with the PC the LGR showed sold for around $2100 according to Clint. That means the price difference was around $300. Now I don’t believe you could buy a complete 486 Win PC setup at that time for $300 new that would match what this card was offering for around $300, especially given this setup allowed for easier sharing of a single monitor, mouse, and keyboard between a Mac and PC. So I would expect this to be the better deal if what you needed was occasional DOS/Windows PC compatibility.
I believe the cable with the big fat end is HDI-45. I got a power mac 8100 for free a while ago that had a video card with that end, and it needed the adapter to plug into the adapter. I agree with your assumption that its probably not that rare.
My second computer was one of those 6100/66 PowerPC macs whose previous owner had installed some sort of overclocking mod into which I think made it 80MHz (if memory serves). It also had the DOS card but I never got to use it because that special cable was not included. I don't remember what happened to that computer but it may have been tossed out in 1998 or so :(
I had a couple\few of these back in the day. I can't for the life me recall where they went - nor the Apple they worked with. I was never a big Apple guy; so, any Apple stuff I did have often ended up in junk, or mysteriously "disappearing".
Not really Apple related but an old 286 portable computer that is somewhat hard/impossible to find individual parts for eg the modem expansion and RAM cards for it, I’ve been working on creating my own stuff for it, scored a junked one on eBay (waiting on the second one I bought to come in) that just happened to have a 1meg memory card in it and have been reverse engineering that to figure out if I can make my own cards for it. If I could get the modem I could try giving it a second serial port or use the modem as is. The docking station I think would be ridiculously rare, I only saw one on eBay commanding a high price and would have given the machine a few ISA card slots and I think an extra floppy drive etc.
I have read reports online that a complete setup 6100 with the DOS card would run somewhere around $3000. The card alone would cost about $1000. Anyone who was smart and wanted better performance would (should have) spend $500-$700 on a Packard or HP or Dell or Compaq kit. The only real reason I can see someone getting one of the compatibility cards is if you don't have the desk space or if you don't want PC and Mac at the same time on the same monitor. I think you could share files between Mac and PC using the card, but a properly formatted floppy or a network share solves that problem. I see an advantage to getting a separate PC, the ability to do both PC tasks and Mac tasks at the same exact moment without having to toggle the monitor. in fact, ANY compatibility card for DOS, whether it be for the Amiga or Apple, were flawed in that a separate PC was always a cheaper and better option.
I picked up a preforma 6100 from a thrift store a while back and it had the DOS card installed but no cable, I actually got super lucky and found one on eBay. I got windows 98 to install on it but it crashes every time it tries to play a sound. Really it is just fun to push the tech to the limits.
yep got a few dos compatibility cards, one for the quadra (Quadra has since died) and at least 3 more including an orange micro (Untested due to lack of it's cable) fortunately I have the pentium variant (I believe it's the 12 in p166) up and running on my g3 minitower.
Somewhere I've got an Apple NuBus card for attaching a 5.25" drive to a Mac, for reading PC floppy disks, but I've never owned the drive. Rather like the Radius NuBus graphics card I've got, possibly for a portrait display, that I've never owned the monitor for. And the single PhoneNet adapter that I have, which is of no use on its own.
Is that a clear case on your phone, or does it just have the insides printed on it? Either way it looks pretty cool! But more importantly, I'm sure someone's packing up one of those cards to send over right at this very moment!
In the Android app on my Pixel 3 XL, the channel title wraps between the ] and [ in the notifications list even when there's space for them on the same line.
i messed with these 486 cards that was for the 6100 and 2 of them i got were not working well. Its alot of wasting time and money finding the cards, cables and computer. I gave up and sold 3 cables and parted 2 systems to sell the 2 cards. You are better off using the longer cards with the pentium and 5200-5300 etc.
I have the card in a 6100/66, I know I have the video cable that came with the computer, but cannot remember if I have the other cable (probably not...) Damn :D
Here's the link to Clint's LGR video -- ua-cam.com/video/9UclHrIIaYA/v-deo.html Love your content, Adrian -- keep up the fine work, both here and on the main channel -- thank you!
Instead of scrolling the Patreon names way too fast at the end why not simply extend the time they are displayed mkaing the display slower - in previous videos it was better to read.
WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!!! First cable is a monitor adapter cable for the first gen. and early second gen. Power PCs to use an older Apple Monitor. Second, that octopus of a cable is for the Apple IIe card used on the LC computers to connect Apple II disk drives and a joystick to it. That within itself makes it a very rare cable to have as many of them were thrown away. It is not for the Apple PC card as that card/cable connector is much larger. Third- the Price of the Mac/DOS machine was more than $4Grand at the time when you could get the Same Mac without the PC card for under $1.5Grand and a White Box 486 or Pentium PC for under $500. Fourth Apple only made the 486 version of the PC card with Applied Engineering making the Pentium version of the DOS Card. But as luck and fate would have it, within a year Connectix and other companies (and the shareware markets) started to make programs like SoftPC which emulated a PC running DOS and Windows 98 on a Mac without needing to add hardware and these cards became obsolete very quickly.
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Jeff is a legend. He has been able to create some custom C64 case saver parts. I've got a C64 case that has tabs that he has never seen before. He designed, 3D printed and sent me some prototypes that are 99% spot on!
The HDI-45 video cable you have is extremely unobtanium. It was only used on Power Macintosh 6100, 7100 and 8100. No other machines at all, and was only supported by the Apple AudioVision 14 display. It was one of the attempts by Apple to mimic what NeXT had done: single cable between CPU (as in the computer unit) and the display, and having all the desktop stuff connect to the display. NeXT had an alternative too, the SoundBox, where you connect stuff to the SoundBox, which sits in between everything on the desk and the computer itself. They've been most successful with the Thunderbolt Display variety, and that's kind of doable on PCs nowadays too thanks to that.
The cable you have is for Houdini and Houdini II cards and plugged into the 040 PDS slot on early Quadras and the special 601 to 040 PDS slot of the 6100 DOS Compatible. Don't trust Wikipedia on this stuff, it was not NuBus anything and was a 68040 thing although used on only two models of computer (Centris / Quadra 610 Dos Compatible and PowerMac 6100 Dos Compatible. Both had special slot adapters for it since normally they indeed had the 90° 040 PDS to NuBus adapter installed, but this card required a special 90° 040 PDS adapter AFAIK only used on these special Mac models. The card itself can plug into any early Quadra (except LC475 aka Quadra 605, which isn't a "real" Quadra but uses the 020/030 LC PDS slot instead even with the 040 CPU). I have my Houdini II card and cable in a Quadra 950 and had to search for a couple of years to find the right cable for it once I had managed to find the extremely rare card itself. I could loan it to you if you want to make a video on it.
Yeah those HDI cables are difficult to find. Luckily I got one somehow shortly after I found my 6100/66. Even found the 1mb graphics card which is even MORE unobtanium.
I think they had a little bit of success with the ADC connector in the early 2000s. There were several monitors that used ADC as well as (almost?) all the computers they released during that time. It was successful in that many people used those monitors and machines, but I don't think there were very many people who actually LIKED the connector.
@@StarkRG ADC failed along with AGP 8x, when suddenly Apple's proprietary use of previously "not connected" pins they used for USB and +25V from their motherboards to the custom AGP cards were used for extra AGP data pins. The most successful Apple proprietary connectors are Lightning, Mini-Displayport and the 30-pin iPod/iPhone/iPad dock connector. Out of these, Mini-Displayport has become an actual industry standard.
I passed up on getting a Power Mac 8100 literally today specifically because of that 45 pin display connector. It had already been pillaged for the secondary PDS video card that I believe came stock with the machine.
Well dang, I have like 3 of them and got one for like $20.
I've seen other people suggest "Micro Mail Call" on a couple of recent clips but this is legitimately micro, less than 10 minutes long from freakin' Adrian :-P
Finally, a "mini" video that's actually mini! Not really complaining, just glad to see that you finally did a "mini" video that is actually shorter than your normal videos!
I think we have to call this a "nano video" or a "pico video" 😁
1:45 It's a video cable for the built-in video on PM 6100/7100/8100. It connected to the video that shared RAM with the main RAM. These systems, especially the 7100/8100, usually came with a separate card with its own video RAM. This cable was typically NOT included (at least with 7100/8100) and was hard to find and spend-y even back in the day! IIRC the cable to use the shared RAM topped out at 640x480 @65536 colours (thoudands) or 800x600 @ 256 colours. The card with full RAM expansion (it sometimes shipped less than fully populated) would do at least 800x600 @ 16777216 (millions).
I never owned the PowerMac version, but the cable looks in the video to be identical to the older one for Houdini on the Quadra/Centris 610, not just the PM x100s.
Yup, hard to find the original DOS Compatibility card cable. This one is indeed for the Power Macintosh 6100 or Quadra/Centris 610. There are plans available online to wire up and build your own.
This DOS card in those systems were used with a right angle riser card (with a different connector between the PPC/68K macs) and the actual DOS card would fit into a PDS slot on that riser. You could actually use the card in other Macs with that PDS slot such as a Quadra 700 or Quadra/Centris 650, though the back of the card would not actually reach the back of the case, so you could run the cable inside via a slot.
There were 3rd party cards too (Reply made some) and those cards were more for the Quadra/Centris 650. They came with an extension board that just extended that high density connector on a PCB so that it reached the back of the Mac.
Yup, I have to make my own specifically for that card.
the 7100/80 also had the same built-in *ANTI-STANDARD* video connector; another crappy decision by apple, as no monitor was made using that connector, the adapter shown in this video was mandatory for all those early PowerPC Macs
This cable is for the DOS Compatibility Card for the Quadra 610 and Power Macintosh 6100. The card will also work with the Quadra 700 (with a port extender) and a Centis 610 (without a port extender).
This cable does not work with the 12" version of the Apple PC Compatibility Card. That card requires a different cable.
Sorry, I did not notice the bent pins. I am looking forward to watching the video where you find and set up a Mac/DOS card.
Funny, literally to my left on my main desk is a 6116CD with the dos card in it and I am using that cable to an apple display. I have DOS on it right now and its on my to-do list to load win3.11, maybe next weekend. My mother in law had the 6100 in her garage and couldn't recall where it came from and I found a guy not far from me who sold a NOS DOS compatibility kit for $100. My father had the same setup when I was a teen way back. I think its a neat collector piece that I could load a lot of interesting software of the day, both PC and Apple.
The National Instruments VirtualBench getting its place on the bench won't go unnoticed to the person who donated it to you! I recall how you recently regretted not having used it much in the past, and you've gone the extra mile of bringing it into the set for all to see. Details like that show the kind of nice guy you are.
Oh, man. I just bought one of those video adapter cables for my 7100 a few weeks ago. I feel like I got lucky finding it. It even ended up being new old stock. I also have a Houdini card and the guts from the Quadra that it ran in, but I DON'T have the cable, and the last time I tried to find one, it was going for like $200.
Adrian at 8:34 "...all the way from the Ozark Mountains..."
Me: "That's in Missouri."
I used one of those machines back in the day. My employer bought one for the specialty toy store he owned. We had been using a Mac 512 which we used for making signage in the store along with all of our bookkeeping forms and did some high level accounting and then we switched to this machine. It fit perfectly with what we were doing in the store where we mostly did everything on a Mac but occasionally someone sent us something that needed to run on an Intel PC.
It took me a few months to find to this cable and I paid nearly $100 for it. I really enjoyed playing with my 6100/66 DOS compatible but the SCSI hard drive failed. I need to get around to installing the SCSI2SD I got for it. Might have to be a weekend project.
3:45 Correct. The card was designed to be a full-screen take over. It worked in practice kind of like the Apple //e card for the LC in that it took over the whole system while in DOS/Win 3.1 mode.
bump for correct info
IIRC, you could let the Powermac do processing in the background (especially if you had RAM installed on the card), which might have differentiated it from the Apple IIe card. Been a very long time since I've used one.
Clint's video is not in the description.
Performa 630 DOS had such a card build in and needed this cabling. The other cable was voor Macintosh 7100 PPC for instance.
DX2-66
Up until about a year ago those cables for the DOS cards were easily going for about $30-$50, then something happened that caused them to seemingly double in price overnight.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if for most people looking to complete the set that this would be the last piece.
It works but is a bit of a mess coming off the back of my 6100...I myself am still looking for the angled pds adapter to install it into a Quadra 610.
The stained finger keep getting my attention! LOL!
There was apparently at least one special monitor that plugged directly into the HDI-45 port and had built-in speakers and a mic. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_AudioVision_14_Display
I have one of the 12" PCI ones with the Pentium. It came out of a PowerMac 7200 PC compatible that used an internal cable to swap between the Mac and PC. One day years and years ago I found the proper external cable on Ebay so I was able to use it in my PM9600 which I thought was pretty neat.
For about 2 years in the mid 1990s administered a lab of Power Mac 6100s with the DOS card at a uni. DOS card wasn’t really used much, just for one or two programs that were DOS only.
I will have to dig in my parts bins, but I am like 98% I have a couple of the DOS cards to go with that cable, I will send you one if I can find them.
HDI-45. Apple called it the “High Density Cable”. Found on early PowerPC Macs such as Performas and Centris.
Just picked up a Power Macintosh 6100/610 DOS Compatible that has this cable, it's amazing to see how well this actually worked in 1995. The PC card boots off of disk images that are stored on the Mac hard drive. The system came with Windows 3.1 on it, but the manuals state that it's able to be upgraded to Windows 95 as well. (I don't believe it supports Windows NT, but as soon as I can image the hard drive and transfer it to a SCSI2SD card, I'm hoping to be able to try.)
That video cable kinda reminds me of my parents old Apple monitor connector that’s DB-15 (maybe it’s called DA-15 don’t remember). I recently got a vga adapter for it recently and it works perfectly
Well, you know what they say, better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it!!! :P
Except for cancer, and hemorrhoids, or... I digress.
@@tiporari I've yet to hear of anyone having a need for those things, hence the "need & not have" part.........
My LC630 did not require the cable for the DOS card, it was all handled internally with the DOS video coming out the Macintosh video port.
Still got mine, 486 CPU, the only way to play DooM at the time (on a Mac!)! (I tried playing it on ma Mac IIx which had 6 monitors plugged into it and only managed a postage stamp size gaming area to make it playable!
The Apple Macintosh Performa 630 (CD) (PC) features a 33 MHz 68LC040 processor, 4 MB or 8 MB of RAM, and a 250 MB hard drive in a compact desktop case. The Performa 630CD added an internal 2X CD-ROM drive and the Performa 630 PC-Compatible shipped with a 66 MHz Intel 486DX2 processor card which can have a maximum of 32 MB of RAM dedicated to the DOS/Windows operating system.
I had this exact machine running Windows 95 (not plus - it couldn't handle it) - never needed this cable!
Command + Enter switched between the Mac and Windows on the same monitor.
Unfortunately, we sold this one (WORKING) a long time ago. we should have kept it.
I had a 610 with a dx266 dos compat card -- loved that machine
The Bare bones Power mac 6100 sold for $1819 with the PC compatibility card back in 1995. The model with the PC the LGR showed sold for around $2100 according to Clint. That means the price difference was around $300. Now I don’t believe you could buy a complete 486 Win PC setup at that time for $300 new that would match what this card was offering for around $300, especially given this setup allowed for easier sharing of a single monitor, mouse, and keyboard between a Mac and PC. So I would expect this to be the better deal if what you needed was occasional DOS/Windows PC compatibility.
I believe the cable with the big fat end is HDI-45. I got a power mac 8100 for free a while ago that had a video card with that end, and it needed the adapter to plug into the adapter. I agree with your assumption that its probably not that rare.
My second computer was one of those 6100/66 PowerPC macs whose previous owner had installed some sort of overclocking mod into which I think made it 80MHz (if memory serves). It also had the DOS card but I never got to use it because that special cable was not included. I don't remember what happened to that computer but it may have been tossed out in 1998 or so :(
Saw one of the dos compatibility Macs on eBay like 3 years ago complete and nabbed it quick!
Didn't realize those were hard to find. I'm pretty sure I or my parents have tossed out some of those when cleaning! Or maybe just the video cable.
We used one in our research lab with all the Adobe software on the Mac side and the Stats and Analysis software on the Windows side.
I had a couple\few of these back in the day. I can't for the life me recall where they went - nor the Apple they worked with. I was never a big Apple guy; so, any Apple stuff I did have often ended up in junk, or mysteriously "disappearing".
yes I remember watching Clint's video also
You said you were going to link LGR/Clint's video in the description. I'm not seeing a link.
I've seen Windows 3.1 running on a Mac with a 486 card once.
I have a Mac Performa 636, which supports the 486 card, but doesn't have it.
Really? I should make some up and throw a store up.. whats the pinout for the pass through cable?
Not really Apple related but an old 286 portable computer that is somewhat hard/impossible to find individual parts for eg the modem expansion and RAM cards for it, I’ve been working on creating my own stuff for it, scored a junked one on eBay (waiting on the second one I bought to come in) that just happened to have a 1meg memory card in it and have been reverse engineering that to figure out if I can make my own cards for it. If I could get the modem I could try giving it a second serial port or use the modem as is. The docking station I think would be ridiculously rare, I only saw one on eBay commanding a high price and would have given the machine a few ISA card slots and I think an extra floppy drive etc.
I have read reports online that a complete setup 6100 with the DOS card would run somewhere around $3000. The card alone would cost about $1000. Anyone who was smart and wanted better performance would (should have) spend $500-$700 on a Packard or HP or Dell or Compaq kit. The only real reason I can see someone getting one of the compatibility cards is if you don't have the desk space or if you don't want PC and Mac at the same time on the same monitor. I think you could share files between Mac and PC using the card, but a properly formatted floppy or a network share solves that problem. I see an advantage to getting a separate PC, the ability to do both PC tasks and Mac tasks at the same exact moment without having to toggle the monitor. in fact, ANY compatibility card for DOS, whether it be for the Amiga or Apple, were flawed in that a separate PC was always a cheaper and better option.
I picked up a preforma 6100 from a thrift store a while back and it had the DOS card installed but no cable, I actually got super lucky and found one on eBay. I got windows 98 to install on it but it crashes every time it tries to play a sound. Really it is just fun to push the tech to the limits.
Do you have the correct drivers installed?
yep got a few dos compatibility cards, one for the quadra (Quadra has since died) and at least 3 more including an orange micro (Untested due to lack of it's cable) fortunately I have the pentium variant (I believe it's the 12 in p166) up and running on my g3 minitower.
Pretty sure, this is PowerMac style. Have some of the shorter up in the attic.
I suddenly want to see a video by Action Retro or Mac84 on all those PC cards coming up...
I don’t see the link to LGR’s video
some of the 7300/180 powermacs shipped with the DOS card as an optional add-on
Somewhere I've got an Apple NuBus card for attaching a 5.25" drive to a Mac, for reading PC floppy disks, but I've never owned the drive. Rather like the Radius NuBus graphics card I've got, possibly for a portrait display, that I've never owned the monitor for. And the single PhoneNet adapter that I have, which is of no use on its own.
The link to the lgr video isn't in the description heads up
Yes Powermac 6100 also, that was a flat desktop machine
Apple sure does love their weird proprietary connectors and cables. Such a pain in the neck.
7:32
Where's the link to Clint's video?
This is the second video I've seen today referencing LGR videos by a youtuber who isn't lgr
It was, you hit “Apple” & ENTER to toggle between PC & MAC. It was the PowerPC.
Nope on the G3, earlier, 6100, 7100, and 8100 series powermac HDI45 to DB 15. And the Apple DOS card is useless without that cable.
Is that a clear case on your phone, or does it just have the insides printed on it? Either way it looks pretty cool!
But more importantly, I'm sure someone's packing up one of those cards to send over right at this very moment!
Anything from Missouri has a taint about it.
-Grandma Sarah
What!? Just 8 minutes and 42 seconds?
That should be 40 minutes at the minimum
i have this cable! i have three. they were in some old assey boxes. 6100 dos cards
im sure one of youtube guy have it his channels name is computer clan
i saw one video card he have for mac n have same pin plug in to it
In the Android app on my Pixel 3 XL, the channel title wraps between the ] and [ in the notifications list even when there's space for them on the same line.
i messed with these 486 cards that was for the 6100 and 2 of them i got were not working well. Its alot of wasting time and money finding the cards, cables and computer. I gave up and sold 3 cables and parted 2 systems to sell the 2 cards. You are better off using the longer cards with the pentium and 5200-5300 etc.
I'll have to take a look but I think I have one of those cards.
Here is the link to the Power Macintosh 6100/66 DOS Compatible at LGR's channel :
ua-cam.com/video/9UclHrIIaYA/v-deo.html
I have one of the 6100s with the card and need this cable :(
I have the card in a 6100/66, I know I have the video cable that came with the computer, but cannot remember if I have the other cable (probably not...) Damn :D
I have three of these.
I like the long videos….ha
I think the one I had growing up could run Windows 95, I'm not sure if it was that exact cable, but it could have been.
You can run Windows 95 on the 6100's DOS card, though populating it with enough ram is necessary and you need appropriate hardware drivers.
That's a nano mail call. :)
oh man. Im so jealous. I have a powermac 6100 that I can't use. and I just don't want to shell out the 100 bucks to get one of these cables.
LGR made a video about the mac/dos thing... Edit: don't comment too early! ^
Here's the link to Clint's LGR video -- ua-cam.com/video/9UclHrIIaYA/v-deo.html
Love your content, Adrian -- keep up the fine work, both here and on the main channel -- thank you!
I like the long videos….js
Shouldn't this μ-mail-call 00000100?
I think I have three of these cables lol
Instead of scrolling the Patreon names way too fast at the end why not simply extend the time they are displayed mkaing the display slower - in previous videos it was better to read.
I remember having a 586... it was made by AMD... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Am5x86
Clints Video:
ua-cam.com/video/9UclHrIIaYA/v-deo.html
LGR's video of how this cable is used ua-cam.com/video/9UclHrIIaYA/v-deo.html
Notification Squad!!! :D
DVI-D hardly proprietary.
That plug looks like an original Xbox video connector - though perhaps a bit thicker
Yeah, why buy an Apple product if you can't run windows? Might as well use Linux?
doh
I think this is exactly the cable I need for my powermac
I know the machine works and has (for now) a working HDD
WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!!!
First cable is a monitor adapter cable for the first gen. and early second gen. Power PCs to use an older Apple Monitor.
Second, that octopus of a cable is for the Apple IIe card used on the LC computers to connect Apple II disk drives and a joystick to it. That within itself makes it a very rare cable to have as many of them were thrown away. It is not for the Apple PC card as that card/cable connector is much larger.
Third- the Price of the Mac/DOS machine was more than $4Grand at the time when you could get the Same Mac without the PC card for under $1.5Grand and a White Box 486 or Pentium PC for under $500.
Fourth Apple only made the 486 version of the PC card with Applied Engineering making the Pentium version of the DOS Card. But as luck and fate would have it, within a year Connectix and other companies (and the shareware markets) started to make programs like SoftPC which emulated a PC running DOS and Windows 98 on a Mac without needing to add hardware and these cards became obsolete very quickly.