@@samuelknytt9434 The problem with “modern” copyright laws is exactly the fact that they are not modern. They make no sense in the age of digital online media and need a drastic rework. They should no longer be about who is allowed to distribute something but about how the original creator is compensated for this distribution, regardless of who does it.
@@samuelknytt9434 It's not just "modern" copyright law that does this, the origins of copyright are rooted in censorship. Look up the "Statute of Anne" if you want to learn more, I've already said too much...
@@samuelknytt9434it’s just utterly stupid that companies are seen as a copyright holding entity instead of the actual creator. Just because of that it breaks copyright law as a whole.
As someone who is constantly working on old cars, the death of some of those web 1.0 and 2.0 sites is tragic as I heavily rely on some of those forum post from the late 90s and early 2000s to get to and from work.
My MIL has a 2000 durango with 4wd and I haven't had to use a transfer case like that in 20 yrs. Had to do some deep digging to try and find out how to get it out of 4lo. Without these old forums, there'd be scant details.
Photobucket killed old vehicle forums many years ago. Discord is straight trash, it’s bad for real time talk let alone being looked at in the future. Forums were and still are the best medium to distribute information about any topic under the sun.
The Internet Archive isn't the only place to find old media. Its a loss to the general public but sailing the seven seas will always be the only way to protect history and lost media. Decentralize the content.
@@superkoopatrooper4879 i feel if it became popular again it wouldn't be much of an issue. The bay always provided for our sailing experiences back in the day. There was always a risk but there were also multiple of the same thing. I never had issues. unless you are talking about that lime flavored wire or another p2p
The old internet DID crumble. Geocities, Angelfire, etc are mostly gone. Image hosts of yesteryear are gone, forums are abandoned and gone, onetime tentpoles of the World Wide Web are history.
I wouldn't say forums are gone, clearly not nearly as significant as they once were but SomethingAwful for example still has a decently active community catering to all sorts of subjects from political discussion to video games to buying a car.
Basically no-one has a personal webpage/site anymore, like ISP's used to give you X amount of MB to make your own webpage(s). Pretty much been replaced with Social Media, Facebook/Instagram/X etc.
But lets be frank its a bit finicky the worth of it. Is everything worth? Everything on the web can be saved/scrapped and archived unlike real life, but even if we could archive everything irl would we? All the chatter you or i had this week, do they deserve archiving for the ages - taking space in servers wich btw have a cost in energy, carbon footprint... The pity is the fomo like fact that we can be sure something of value has been lost and keep getting lost. But i bet we cant even aproximate how much of all internet content would have such value... but id argue its more around 10% or less.
The age of information, future historians are going to think the name is ironic when they find out a gigantic void of what actually went on during our age.
Also they'll find 1000 sources saying the opposite of each other because everybody is lying lmao, like there is no more truth, its so subjective nowadays, insane stuff, but on the other hand I do enjoy the chaos
It won't actually be that hard to find out what happens. We document it all both offline and online. The difficult part is getting the content itself. It'll be really easy to get the metadata: on the consumer side, Wikipedia won't disappear and on the organization side, there are many conservation projects all around the world, by governments, universities and even independents.
Yeah the internet went from open source information sharing to pure profiteering. Want an old manual from a company that doesnt exist anymore ...PAY ME! Want to play a game that no is no longer available.. PAY ME Want a driver and or software for vintage computer parts ..PAY ME Need a book thats no longer published and removed...PAY ME!! Every day im downloading TBs of stuff from the IA (doest matter what it is) I will always have my own archive and will always give it out for free to anyone who needs it .
Not even that. I would pay if i would know what i will get. Because so many documents and such are sold online with just "oh here is a magazine about XY" but what kind of images are actually inside and such is not shown. So why should i pay? I don't know if it's useful to me. Like who would buy randomly a magazine that is 40+ years old without knowing what's inside? You have to have the information beforehand in order to do that, but then if you would have that info, why would you buy it? You already have it.
Piracy/torrenting wins again. As long as theres seeders on the DHT network, itll be downloadable. Stuff will eventually be lost to time, but there will probably be archivists.
Also, when content rights holders like Paramount make some content completely unavailable for streaming, renting, or purchasing, they’re essentially admitting “we don’t want to generate revenue from this”, at which point piracy is fair game.
@@nocturn9x the twist that capitalism imparted on the availability of media and how we perceive and use them is a widely discussed topic. This is a classic argument in that discussion that - believe it or not - also happens in real life between real people. Is not really surprising it was posted by other people before.
The funniest statement I ever heard was a C programming instructor in the late 90’s that URL’s in textbooks were ok because publishers were obligated to keep them up and available indefinitely! 😂 So I played devil’s advocate and asked: “Who would do what exactly to a publisher that ‘disobeyed’ this edict?” And the subject of conversation was changed.
Oh yeah, I remember that. Then I visited some old forum post where all the images were gone and realized that this wasn't the case at all. :/ Also, there's a really awesome Minecraft animation made by SS Lithuania that was lost to time when Machinima got nuked. :(
To me, the original phrase is a bit misleading. "Everything on the internet is permanent", should have really just been "You don't control the permanence of things on the internet". The phrase (to me) was intended to warn about putting something up that would be embarrassing, in fear that the thing would be downloaded and spread without your consent. Thus, making that thing stay on the internet "forever". But I guess the first one was the one that caught on.
A while back I found posts I made around 1998 on the Intel forums archived somewhere else. Someone probably archived it all. Tangential, back in those days you could just download any datasheet you wanted.
Unless It is a stupid offensive joke you made 13 years ago and now it will cost you your live hood because being PC in the face of the public is all what matters.
For everyone who doesn't already, go set up a donation to the Internet Archive. It's so important to support the efforts of web archival, as well as archiving all the other content they save. If it's a service you use, or you just care about this, toss them a few dollars.
Because the end goal of a capitalist society is to get as much money as possible, it has nothing to do with being "good" or caring about others. Especially not in the US. @@SullenSecret
@@SullenSecret because it was decided long ago (in Dodge v Ford specifically) that corporations are beholden to the need to please their shareholders and to increase yearly revenue forever. and good fucking luck fixing that mess, considering government corruption and the stripping of very important regulations! yippie!
@@SullenSecret companies cannot be nice, it was decided long ago (in Dodge v Ford I believe) that pleasing shareholders by endlessly increasing revenue is the only way a business can be run. and with government corruption at an all-time high, alongside the stripping of very important regulations and failure to enact anti-trust laws, good fucking luck fixing the mess we're in.
@@SullenSecret Probably because they are basically legally obligated to. Linus has made mention of the corporate feduciary responsibility before. Basically, if a company willingly makes a decision that would leave money on the table or not get the maximum profits possible, they open themselves up to severe lawsuits from their shareholders for not acting in the best interest of the shareholders.
On the subject of not being able to see old episodes of The Daily Show or The Colbert Report, I managed to find clips on UA-cam playing old field pieces from like 2002 and man, the kinds of things you could make fun of 20 years ago was wild.
Fuck... I need a NAS, or better a server, or a server farm... we have to decentralize the archives. There is so much outstanding work published on the web that's just slowly deteriorating and eroding and vanishing. It's a travesty if we can't preserve it. I hope we can.
Matt Stone and Trey Parker own the digital rights to South Park as they had the foresight to predict online video streaming in 1997. Comedy Central just gave it to them as if it wasn't anything important.
Back when Netflix was still just starting to become popular as a streaming service, there were those who had the foresight to look ahead and see what would happen with the cable companies and studios and such. They knew, that it was just a matter of time before the greed of the studios would turn streaming right back into a cable subscription. Here we are folks. They've basically been proven right, entirely. And thing is, there isn't really anyone to blame on this except for once again the studios and companies that used to exist on cable/satellite only. It's high time that they be reminded who's in charge, and it's not them. Fact is, if no one watches their content, they go under. They fail. They go bankrupt, etc. And no, I don't mean arrr everyone kind of not watch their content. I mean, not even the pirates take the content in the first place to be watched. Viewership numbers so low, they are forced to cut costs and slowly sink their own ship. But what about our entertainment in the meantime? Well, there is still a plethora of actually good content that still exists to be consumed at our preference over on certain arrr type websites. But seeing as how most of the content released lately is absolute dog water filled with 💩, it's not like anyone is missing much. And, if there is something worth watching, actually; then those are the few times we maybe actually grace them with our viewership and wallets being opened. By doing so in such a way, it forces them to acknowledge that only certain content is getting them any customers at all, aside from all the other content that has them hemorrhaging money. And as a side note: Steam is likely going to become a problem in the future too, or one of the many platforms similar to it. We would be wise to start backing up data en mass, with methods figured out to make it so all the games can be played regardless of steam's interaction with the computer. Offline mode exists of course still, so that can probably be leveraged somehow. Not to be used right away, so as to not cause an waves to be formed on that front; but always just off to the side in secret, waiting for that moment when greed strikes; and we can retaliate.
@@SapphireThunder Yeah... I've been slowly building up what I need to be able to avoid that end scenario to some extent on my side of things... Regardless of which ever ninny decides to make some new law, or try to uphold some other law in regards to game ownership legality... I'm keeping my games, and playing them too, whether ANYONE likes it or not; and they can kiss my 4$$ if they think they are going to do anything about it. I'll reinforce their place below my boot so damn fast it will make their head spin. P.S. Valve/Steam, highly doubt it, but if you're somehow reading this; let me make this perfectly clear. I own my games, regardless of your ToS. And there is absolutely nothing you can do about it legally or otherwise. Not only do I not use the same username on purpose to avoid tracking measures that folk will use; your system literally can't even find me as a user. SO there is literally nothing you can do with my account, so long as I don't compromise it specifically. I own my games. Deal with it.
Its the reason I have piratical intent anytime I run up against blatant corporate greed. You want to control what info/knowledge I have access to? Then I'm gonna keep everything I have a chance to... and make sure the backups can't be touched by an alphabet style mafia that wants domination and submission.
It's a problem that's bigger than steam. As an example, Xbox Live had a login issue recently which prevented people from playing Minecraft. Like, they couldn't even load up a single player world without using some third party launcher or workaround. When it's unnecessary at all to connect to the Internet, and when a company still forces the purchaser of the product to connect to the Internet, then we end up with a serious issue. Either we were never allowed to purchase the game in the first place (which constitutes fraud at worst and false advertising at best), or we were allowed to purchase the game but now cannot use it without undue restrictions (which would be fraud on the scale of SBF/rug pulling/crypto scams). We need to remove politicians that are bought and paid for by massive corporations and remove any financial incentive for being a politician. Until then, no just laws will remain to protect consumers from this crony capitalistic hell scape that has become our reality.
That's funny you brought up the PC Cables site as I happened upon that site earlier today for completely unrelated reasons and my first thought was how dated the design was.
but it's fast, simple, and tells you all the information you need to know right up front, without any extra crap. and that's what makes it (and what made a lot of the old internet) good.
this website is so smooth because it pre-dates website engineers deciding that they should just use "libraries" for the most basic of things. its crazy how many packages are used in modern websites these days with stupidly deep dependency structures.
It doesn't even improve productivity. You'll just end up spending more time fighting npm because some updates introduced breaking changes and now you need to fix stuff or else newer libraries won't be compatible with your project.
I genuinely feel like a huge reason for content becoming so weirdly expensive and impermanent is just the abhorrent deluge of user content and now ai content just BLOATING storage and service systems with petabytes and petabytes of data that is little more than just E waste to store and serve to people in SEO, algorithm content farm bait. But i dont know anything about the way data is stored and served but just getting past that content is taking up more and more of my time, the energy and battery lifespan of my phone, etc. Content is becoming e-waste in a lot of ways.
A lot of UA-camrs are removing content because of UA-cams ever changing rules. It sucks because some of those videos are better than the current ones AND nostalgic.
Even though I am print disabled, meaning I can access books on the internet archive through their pribt disability program, and the internet archive purge doesn't really affect me (the purge doesn't remove books for print disabled people), I really don't like this situation. I think books should be free for everyone, not just disabled people.
@@Bracket_Man legally blind or dyslexic. And to be honest, getting accepted was super easy. At least when I did it, it was just a google form and I just said what my visual impairment was (and you could probably just lie and still get in).
Now the Supreme Court has changed the interpretation laws, So it might help the Internet archive since the ruling allows every single interpretation laws up for debate.
I reuploaded a 2015 video and 12 hours and 13 views in I got a takedown directly from the original creator. Not a big name, but mind you this video wasn't on UA-cam. But it was something I liked going back to and others did too. It's on IA at least, but videos on IA are slow to play. So I thought to re-upload it. It sucks. I went through emailing this guy but he was genuinely offended some tiny UA-cam channel wanted to preserve his old shit. I mentioned I can only hope he saw it as an opportunity to realize there's some market for this content and that he should consider reuploading it. I hate seeing shit get removed from the internet
The creator has all the right in the world to want something gone. Its theirs. It doesn't matter how much you liked it or how meaningful it was or whatever. Its theirs. A rapper I used to follow lost his teaching license cuz his employers found his old videos even though he nuked his acct (it wasn't anything obscene, just not fit for a teacher in his area apparently). Its not up to you whether someone else's content stays on the internet.
@@stitchfinger7678 the problem with that is you put it on the internet to begin with, its everybodys right to save and keep it themselves and if they reupload it then that's just the consequence of you putting it out to begin with. if we just destroy old stuff like that going purely off the wishes of the creator who knew full well what they were doing, then archiving detrimental things will just die out, reuploads and archival mirrors of old content is the saving grace of anyone interested in history.
@@stitchfinger7678 Yeah well that's life. It's why you have some level of consideration before you just do shit under your own face and name. It's why I don't want to be a public youtuber. And if I really wanted to, there's not a damn thing he could do to stop me from making 100 fucking accounts and reuploading it 100 times. The internet, despite what some may wish, and despite all these attempts, will be permanent. There's a reason why we were all told to think before we post in school. It doesn't make it go away, it just makes it harder to find.
It’s weird that I’ve gone back to it. I do subscribe to several visual and audio streaming platforms and my satisfaction has been slowly but steadily decreasing for all the common reasons to the point that I have indeed set sail once again after all these years. Ironically I pretty much look like an old salty sea dog now so maybe it was inevitable.
Backup, backup, BACKUP. Everyone needs to start buying massive long term drives so we can preserve the good things before it gets riddled with fucking AI dogshit garbage
It's hard across decades. I have files going back to the 90s, and between format changes, data loss and corruption, and simply keeping it all organized - a lot gets lost.
I made a project report page for a high school class on angelfire in the early 2000s, and for some reason it's still up in all of its cringy glory. I haven't had access to the angelfire account/email for like 2 decades and I'm pretty sure the account itself doesn't even exist in angelfire's database anymore. But every time I think about it I go check and it just won't die. All of the images still work and everything. It even had the classic page view counter, which is still functioning as intended, and reads 198.
I’ve wanted access to the entire library of previously-aired Daily Show episodes (specifically 2001-2008). There’s a lot of summarized historical/cultural notes in there that warrant revisiting (specifically involving the GWOT). A lot of Gen Z and Alpha are going to lose some context into how the Bush administration BS’ed their way into Iraq.
The PC cables website is awesome! Just what you need straight to the point without all the nonsense. I avoid all online shops that insist on creating an account lately. You don't have PayPal express checkout? Then you don't need me as a customer.
I just used time machine to get old manuals from a company that doesn't exist now so i could get one of their products running again lol WE NEED THESE DAWG WDYM
I feel like one of the major efforts of the coming years should be the collection and publication of repair documents in a single open archive. It could tie in nicely with the right to repair movement. I have personally been able to save a machine for which no replacement is manufactured, because someone was still paying hosting for the defunct company website with pdf service manuals.
As always, the main problem is, companies that operate entirely for-profit try to shape the public to fit their needs to increase profit. They give little to no shit about the actual people or their needs.
Photo Bucket destroyed my images I had in my archive there ages ago. It was all personal photos too. So I redownloaded what was left in reasonable quality, deleted the rest, and closed my account.
That shop page is also like ROCK AUTO for car parts. Fantastic shopping experience, and so many parts! Not having to scroll through pages and pages of things looking under one heading. Fantastic!
This is why I'm downloading ever old movie and tv/cartoon/anime to keep forever on my hard drives. Also might need to get more roms for my older games.
Rock auto is pretty similar format to the cable website you showed. My favorite retailer for most of my car parts since it’s easy to find products/compare them to eachother. Plus the prices are great
There is a legal requirement to send a copy of everything that is published on paper to an archive, and there is an archive of everything that was ever aired on TV (in France at least). We need something similar written in law for the internet.
Don't know if they're in Canada, but Rock Auto is also a super simple web design. It's easy enough to navigate though, and if that's what helps me get car parts at lower costs I'm all for it.
I guess they want us to torrent again. Alright, no problem. VPN's have never been more accessible and storage has never been cheaper. Time to brush off that PLEX lifetime subscription I bought in college.
Does this also apply in the EU? I feel like this is a good opportunity for the DU to step up again and allow this to be protected and accessible for everyone with a VPN
A lot of archives are being nearly completely destroyed by corporations. And everything else is borderline unusable due to payment processors having way too much power. Image hosting sites being the most affected So many old forum sites are completely deleted as well
This shows how fleeting digital content can be and it's truly disheartening to lose such valuable resources. Hoping for a positive outcome from the appeal, to preserve the spirit of internet as a shared repository of knowledge.
IIRC, (and I might be wrong) the problem with the internet archives' case was that they lent multiple copies of the books they were lending because they're digital and that makes sense, bypassing the 1-book-1-lender traditional model. But laws haven't caught up to digital reality to recognize this. Traditionally, in a library if you have one copy of a book, you can't lend out two copies because you only have one. In the digital age, you have no such restriction other than archaic laws that say you can't do that. edit: (~) 3:50 They're probably trying to save developer resources too. Each of their sites probably has a team they inherited when they acquired the sites, along with all of that legacy code and no one wants to go back and maintain it when they now have a unified codebase in Paramount Plus probably. It might just be me, but I tend to assume most corpo websites are just BARELY operational in terms of code given that a lot of the programming mantra in the US is "Does it work? Yes. Well, ship it."
In a few hundred years, no one will know what happened. When news papers and books were the main source of information, you could revisit the past by going to the library and finding an old book or looking through microfilm. With everything online now, so many news sites putting things behind a paywall, and now this overreaching "copyright" enforcement, this part of history will be erased. Hmmm... maybe it should be? :) Seriously though, it's an important time in history with the birth of the information age and now AI. Would be a shame.
The cable shopping website reminds me of how we used to be able to run Windows and a web browser and other programs, all with 256MB of RAM, and aside from possibly having a poor internet speed you could load and display web pages pretty fast. Now chrome by itself takes more RAM than one of those old computers, and website speed varies a lot depending on the JavaScript code running in it. It's probably pretty even in speed usually, but it kind of feels bad making a lot of progress on the hardware side just to have that progress consumed by what feels like more and more bloated software.
Yes, they were breaking the copyright law. As much as I don’t agree w/ it, they were in the wrong. But format shifting needs to be codified into law. If you physically own any copy, you should be able to format shift into whatever you want and as long as you abide by copyright law you are okay to lend it out. All of tbis is going to lead to more piracy. It’s been in the rise and is just going to accelerate.
The thing with internet archive, there were copying physical books and lending then out. hey did not buy the digital license. That is a big difference.
I actively archive websites almost on a daily basis. Therefore donating to them seemed like a logical choice and I'll keep doing so forever since it's so important.
I will never respect the "property" of any corporation over anything that is infinitely reproduceable. Intellectual "property" laws are one of the worst things governments arbitrarily uphold to protect the interests of the most powerful institutions, one clear example is the patent over the production process of insulin, which makes it very expensive in the US, and people nevertheless still buy into the rhetoric that it stirs innovation as if new things were never made until those existed.
So I'm with you, but the insulin we use today is literally not the same thing he released for free Any analogue that has a patent is different enough to the patent office that its a different drug.
Copyright is not Infringement, if you've never read that book, you should. and it is freely available within Linux package managers. Haven't really checked in an online way through browser but it might be somewhere.
Never forget the logic lawyers and corporate leaders use and the logic normal people use are very very different things from each other. In corporations any idea must go up the chain with each officer it passes lifting its leg and peeing on the idea. At least hampsterdance (sic) still (barely) lives in something resembling its old form. {o.o}
If libraries were invented today it wouldn't be legal
Modern copyright law protects businesses excessively at the expense of everyone else.
@@samuelknytt9434 The problem with “modern” copyright laws is exactly the fact that they are not modern. They make no sense in the age of digital online media and need a drastic rework. They should no longer be about who is allowed to distribute something but about how the original creator is compensated for this distribution, regardless of who does it.
Businesses which on the larger end of the scale basically have infinite money and don't need any protection. @samuelknytt9434
@@samuelknytt9434 It's not just "modern" copyright law that does this, the origins of copyright are rooted in censorship. Look up the "Statute of Anne" if you want to learn more, I've already said too much...
@@samuelknytt9434it’s just utterly stupid that companies are seen as a copyright holding entity instead of the actual creator. Just because of that it breaks copyright law as a whole.
As someone who is constantly working on old cars, the death of some of those web 1.0 and 2.0 sites is tragic as I heavily rely on some of those forum post from the late 90s and early 2000s to get to and from work.
This is so underrated. I have 90's and early 2000's cars exclusively and its so hard to find information on certain jobs.
My MIL has a 2000 durango with 4wd and I haven't had to use a transfer case like that in 20 yrs. Had to do some deep digging to try and find out how to get it out of 4lo. Without these old forums, there'd be scant details.
It's worse that more and more car conversations are moving to discord. It really hurts the searchability of important info.
Discord SUCKS
Photobucket killed old vehicle forums many years ago. Discord is straight trash, it’s bad for real time talk let alone being looked at in the future. Forums were and still are the best medium to distribute information about any topic under the sun.
The Internet Archive isn't the only place to find old media. Its a loss to the general public but sailing the seven seas will always be the only way to protect history and lost media. Decentralize the content.
except when people stop seeding
@@superkoopatrooper4879 People seed what they like. If some old show isn't being seeded it's probably bad and not worth preserving.
@@superkoopatrooper4879 i feel if it became popular again it wouldn't be much of an issue. The bay always provided for our sailing experiences back in the day. There was always a risk but there were also multiple of the same thing. I never had issues. unless you are talking about that lime flavored wire or another p2p
@@mrbanana6464 then the same goes for history and it's all meaningless. I don't believe that at all
@@superkoopatrooper4879 This is why I use a combo of sailing and "reading the news" so to speak.
The old internet DID crumble. Geocities, Angelfire, etc are mostly gone. Image hosts of yesteryear are gone, forums are abandoned and gone, onetime tentpoles of the World Wide Web are history.
I wouldn't say forums are gone, clearly not nearly as significant as they once were but SomethingAwful for example still has a decently active community catering to all sorts of subjects from political discussion to video games to buying a car.
Weight lifting forums are still active, mostly for people to talk about and buy steroids though.
Basically no-one has a personal webpage/site anymore, like ISP's used to give you X amount of MB to make your own webpage(s). Pretty much been replaced with Social Media, Facebook/Instagram/X etc.
@@lmcgregoruk They're starting to make a comeback though. Neocities and other clones are starting to resurrect that part of the internet.
But lets be frank its a bit finicky the worth of it. Is everything worth? Everything on the web can be saved/scrapped and archived unlike real life, but even if we could archive everything irl would we? All the chatter you or i had this week, do they deserve archiving for the ages - taking space in servers wich btw have a cost in energy, carbon footprint...
The pity is the fomo like fact that we can be sure something of value has been lost and keep getting lost. But i bet we cant even aproximate how much of all internet content would have such value... but id argue its more around 10% or less.
The age of information, future historians are going to think the name is ironic when they find out a gigantic void of what actually went on during our age.
Biggest burning of a library in history.
I’ve been deeply concerned about this for almost 10 years now.
Also they'll find 1000 sources saying the opposite of each other because everybody is lying lmao, like there is no more truth, its so subjective nowadays, insane stuff, but on the other hand I do enjoy the chaos
It won't actually be that hard to find out what happens. We document it all both offline and online. The difficult part is getting the content itself. It'll be really easy to get the metadata: on the consumer side, Wikipedia won't disappear and on the organization side, there are many conservation projects all around the world, by governments, universities and even independents.
Entropy takes many forms
Yeah the internet went from open source information sharing to pure profiteering.
Want an old manual from a company that doesnt exist anymore ...PAY ME!
Want to play a game that no is no longer available.. PAY ME
Want a driver and or software for vintage computer parts ..PAY ME
Need a book thats no longer published and removed...PAY ME!!
Every day im downloading TBs of stuff from the IA (doest matter what it is)
I will always have my own archive and will always give it out for free to anyone who needs it .
So YOU'RE why IA downloads are so slow!
@@tyttuut This is funny, but it's usually because long term storage hardware is very slow.
They really need to invest into some caching server or something.
This is why I find it very suspicious that youtube is offering free old games without ads.
Not even that. I would pay if i would know what i will get. Because so many documents and such are sold online with just "oh here is a magazine about XY" but what kind of images are actually inside and such is not shown. So why should i pay? I don't know if it's useful to me. Like who would buy randomly a magazine that is 40+ years old without knowing what's inside? You have to have the information beforehand in order to do that, but then if you would have that info, why would you buy it? You already have it.
Piracy/torrenting wins again. As long as theres seeders on the DHT network, itll be downloadable. Stuff will eventually be lost to time, but there will probably be archivists.
I have a 6tb drive with tons of retro games in there just incase
Also, when content rights holders like Paramount make some content completely unavailable for streaming, renting, or purchasing, they’re essentially admitting “we don’t want to generate revenue from this”, at which point piracy is fair game.
For legal reasons, no I don't
But 240TB and growing.
@@Enaiarr Your hoarding the whole Internets aren't you
@@Lockdown335 That's the plan!
But for legal reasons it isn't.
Fact: if they weren't already in existence, creating a public library nowadays would be impossible.
It helps that most of them seem to be state-run.
Feeling good about your stolen comment?
@@nocturn9x the twist that capitalism imparted on the availability of media and how we perceive and use them is a widely discussed topic. This is a classic argument in that discussion that - believe it or not - also happens in real life between real people. Is not really surprising it was posted by other people before.
The funniest statement I ever heard was a C programming instructor in the late 90’s that URL’s in textbooks were ok because publishers were obligated to keep them up and available indefinitely! 😂
So I played devil’s advocate and asked: “Who would do what exactly to a publisher that ‘disobeyed’ this edict?”
And the subject of conversation was changed.
It's kind of wild how quickly we went from "everything on the internet is permanent" to "almost everything on the internet will be lost"
Oh yeah, I remember that. Then I visited some old forum post where all the images were gone and realized that this wasn't the case at all. :/ Also, there's a really awesome Minecraft animation made by SS Lithuania that was lost to time when Machinima got nuked. :(
To me, the original phrase is a bit misleading. "Everything on the internet is permanent", should have really just been "You don't control the permanence of things on the internet".
The phrase (to me) was intended to warn about putting something up that would be embarrassing, in fear that the thing would be downloaded and spread without your consent. Thus, making that thing stay on the internet "forever".
But I guess the first one was the one that caught on.
A while back I found posts I made around 1998 on the Intel forums archived somewhere else.
Someone probably archived it all.
Tangential, back in those days you could just download any datasheet you wanted.
Thank you capitalism and crooked mega corps.
Unless It is a stupid offensive joke you made 13 years ago and now it will cost you your live hood because being PC in the face of the public is all what matters.
For everyone who doesn't already, go set up a donation to the Internet Archive. It's so important to support the efforts of web archival, as well as archiving all the other content they save. If it's a service you use, or you just care about this, toss them a few dollars.
That's the problem with a profit driven society.....why does everything need to make money?
The alternative doesn't need to be socialism, either. People should simply be nice. Why are corporations guaranteed to be greedy to the point of evil?
Because the end goal of a capitalist society is to get as much money as possible, it has nothing to do with being "good" or caring about others. Especially not in the US. @@SullenSecret
@@SullenSecret because it was decided long ago (in Dodge v Ford specifically) that corporations are beholden to the need to please their shareholders and to increase yearly revenue forever. and good fucking luck fixing that mess, considering government corruption and the stripping of very important regulations! yippie!
@@SullenSecret companies cannot be nice, it was decided long ago (in Dodge v Ford I believe) that pleasing shareholders by endlessly increasing revenue is the only way a business can be run. and with government corruption at an all-time high, alongside the stripping of very important regulations and failure to enact anti-trust laws, good fucking luck fixing the mess we're in.
@@SullenSecret Probably because they are basically legally obligated to. Linus has made mention of the corporate feduciary responsibility before. Basically, if a company willingly makes a decision that would leave money on the table or not get the maximum profits possible, they open themselves up to severe lawsuits from their shareholders for not acting in the best interest of the shareholders.
On the subject of not being able to see old episodes of The Daily Show or The Colbert Report, I managed to find clips on UA-cam playing old field pieces from like 2002 and man, the kinds of things you could make fun of 20 years ago was wild.
"casual use of the hard r"
"oh really?"
"yeah!"
@@cletusthefetus23 classic.
@@cletusthefetus23it’s crazy how lame things are getting
@@GhosPoison If your humor hasn't evolved past saying a word for shock value for over 10 years there's something wrong with you
@@mrbanana6464 you're right; now I say it specifically because it upsets you. See? My humor has evolved.
Fuck... I need a NAS, or better a server, or a server farm... we have to decentralize the archives. There is so much outstanding work published on the web that's just slowly deteriorating and eroding and vanishing. It's a travesty if we can't preserve it. I hope we can.
We will find a way to preserve and protect
Remember, always keep backups
Matt Stone and Trey Parker own the digital rights to South Park as they had the foresight to predict online video streaming in 1997. Comedy Central just gave it to them as if it wasn't anything important.
Something really needs to change with being able to access old content because so much stuff will be lost forever over the next few decades.
Thats why we need to save as much as data
Back when Netflix was still just starting to become popular as a streaming service, there were those who had the foresight to look ahead and see what would happen with the cable companies and studios and such. They knew, that it was just a matter of time before the greed of the studios would turn streaming right back into a cable subscription.
Here we are folks. They've basically been proven right, entirely. And thing is, there isn't really anyone to blame on this except for once again the studios and companies that used to exist on cable/satellite only.
It's high time that they be reminded who's in charge, and it's not them. Fact is, if no one watches their content, they go under. They fail. They go bankrupt, etc.
And no, I don't mean arrr everyone kind of not watch their content. I mean, not even the pirates take the content in the first place to be watched. Viewership numbers so low, they are forced to cut costs and slowly sink their own ship.
But what about our entertainment in the meantime? Well, there is still a plethora of actually good content that still exists to be consumed at our preference over on certain arrr type websites. But seeing as how most of the content released lately is absolute dog water filled with 💩, it's not like anyone is missing much. And, if there is something worth watching, actually; then those are the few times we maybe actually grace them with our viewership and wallets being opened.
By doing so in such a way, it forces them to acknowledge that only certain content is getting them any customers at all, aside from all the other content that has them hemorrhaging money.
And as a side note: Steam is likely going to become a problem in the future too, or one of the many platforms similar to it. We would be wise to start backing up data en mass, with methods figured out to make it so all the games can be played regardless of steam's interaction with the computer. Offline mode exists of course still, so that can probably be leveraged somehow. Not to be used right away, so as to not cause an waves to be formed on that front; but always just off to the side in secret, waiting for that moment when greed strikes; and we can retaliate.
Regarding Steam: I fear the day when Gabe Newell is gone completely from Valve. Because that's when what you said, will very likely happen.
@@SapphireThunder what about his son ?
@@SapphireThunder Yeah... I've been slowly building up what I need to be able to avoid that end scenario to some extent on my side of things...
Regardless of which ever ninny decides to make some new law, or try to uphold some other law in regards to game ownership legality... I'm keeping my games, and playing them too, whether ANYONE likes it or not; and they can kiss my 4$$ if they think they are going to do anything about it.
I'll reinforce their place below my boot so damn fast it will make their head spin.
P.S.
Valve/Steam, highly doubt it, but if you're somehow reading this; let me make this perfectly clear. I own my games, regardless of your ToS. And there is absolutely nothing you can do about it legally or otherwise. Not only do I not use the same username on purpose to avoid tracking measures that folk will use; your system literally can't even find me as a user. SO there is literally nothing you can do with my account, so long as I don't compromise it specifically.
I own my games. Deal with it.
Its the reason I have piratical intent anytime I run up against blatant corporate greed. You want to control what info/knowledge I have access to?
Then I'm gonna keep everything I have a chance to... and make sure the backups can't be touched by an alphabet style mafia that wants domination and submission.
It's a problem that's bigger than steam. As an example, Xbox Live had a login issue recently which prevented people from playing Minecraft. Like, they couldn't even load up a single player world without using some third party launcher or workaround. When it's unnecessary at all to connect to the Internet, and when a company still forces the purchaser of the product to connect to the Internet, then we end up with a serious issue. Either we were never allowed to purchase the game in the first place (which constitutes fraud at worst and false advertising at best), or we were allowed to purchase the game but now cannot use it without undue restrictions (which would be fraud on the scale of SBF/rug pulling/crypto scams).
We need to remove politicians that are bought and paid for by massive corporations and remove any financial incentive for being a politician. Until then, no just laws will remain to protect consumers from this crony capitalistic hell scape that has become our reality.
2:40 The Comedy Central one is huge. There were tons of clips of comedy acts that you couldn't legitimately get anyplace else there.
That's funny you brought up the PC Cables site as I happened upon that site earlier today for completely unrelated reasons and my first thought was how dated the design was.
but it's fast, simple, and tells you all the information you need to know right up front, without any extra crap. and that's what makes it (and what made a lot of the old internet) good.
@@asciicatface I agree. I didn't mean it as a criticism. I often miss the internet from the 2000s and 90s.
this website is so smooth because it pre-dates website engineers deciding that they should just use "libraries" for the most basic of things. its crazy how many packages are used in modern websites these days with stupidly deep dependency structures.
It doesn't even improve productivity. You'll just end up spending more time fighting npm because some updates introduced breaking changes and now you need to fix stuff or else newer libraries won't be compatible with your project.
@@ThePC007lmfao tfw you have to compile a mfing website 💀
I genuinely feel like a huge reason for content becoming so weirdly expensive and impermanent is just the abhorrent deluge of user content and now ai content just BLOATING storage and service systems with petabytes and petabytes of data that is little more than just E waste to store and serve to people in SEO, algorithm content farm bait.
But i dont know anything about the way data is stored and served but just getting past that content is taking up more and more of my time, the energy and battery lifespan of my phone, etc. Content is becoming e-waste in a lot of ways.
Then they could just not host content?
A lot of UA-camrs are removing content because of UA-cams ever changing rules. It sucks because some of those videos are better than the current ones AND nostalgic.
A lot have also changed their current content so their channel doesnt get his/demonetized too.
With South Park streaming, that is simple. They simply determined what Brian Boitano would do and had it put in their contract.
Even though I am print disabled, meaning I can access books on the internet archive through their pribt disability program, and the internet archive purge doesn't really affect me (the purge doesn't remove books for print disabled people), I really don't like this situation. I think books should be free for everyone, not just disabled people.
What does it mean to be print disabled?
@@Bracket_Man legally blind or dyslexic. And to be honest, getting accepted was super easy. At least when I did it, it was just a google form and I just said what my visual impairment was (and you could probably just lie and still get in).
The "Old Internet" has been gone for a very long time. What's being lost is history, not the idea of the Internet.
I was looking up modding older consoles and constantly ran into websites that were taken down, and had to use the web archive to read them.
Back up anything and everything that holds value to you.
Now the Supreme Court has changed the interpretation laws, So it might help the Internet archive since the ruling allows every single interpretation laws up for debate.
I reuploaded a 2015 video and 12 hours and 13 views in I got a takedown directly from the original creator. Not a big name, but mind you this video wasn't on UA-cam. But it was something I liked going back to and others did too. It's on IA at least, but videos on IA are slow to play. So I thought to re-upload it. It sucks. I went through emailing this guy but he was genuinely offended some tiny UA-cam channel wanted to preserve his old shit. I mentioned I can only hope he saw it as an opportunity to realize there's some market for this content and that he should consider reuploading it. I hate seeing shit get removed from the internet
The creator has all the right in the world to want something gone. Its theirs.
It doesn't matter how much you liked it or how meaningful it was or whatever. Its theirs.
A rapper I used to follow lost his teaching license cuz his employers found his old videos even though he nuked his acct (it wasn't anything obscene, just not fit for a teacher in his area apparently).
Its not up to you whether someone else's content stays on the internet.
@@stitchfinger7678 the problem with that is you put it on the internet to begin with, its everybodys right to save and keep it themselves and if they reupload it then that's just the consequence of you putting it out to begin with. if we just destroy old stuff like that going purely off the wishes of the creator who knew full well what they were doing, then archiving detrimental things will just die out, reuploads and archival mirrors of old content is the saving grace of anyone interested in history.
@@stitchfinger7678once you publish something, it belongs to the world. If I buy a book, the writer can't revise it or take it back.
@@stitchfinger7678That may be the law, but the law is wrong.
@@stitchfinger7678 Yeah well that's life. It's why you have some level of consideration before you just do shit under your own face and name. It's why I don't want to be a public youtuber. And if I really wanted to, there's not a damn thing he could do to stop me from making 100 fucking accounts and reuploading it 100 times. The internet, despite what some may wish, and despite all these attempts, will be permanent. There's a reason why we were all told to think before we post in school. It doesn't make it go away, it just makes it harder to find.
The Library of Alexandria will always be torn down in flames. Such is the curse of acquiring knowledge.
Gyargh, it be time to sail the seven seas again!
😂
It’s weird that I’ve gone back to it. I do subscribe to several visual and audio streaming platforms and my satisfaction has been slowly but steadily decreasing for all the common reasons to the point that I have indeed set sail once again after all these years. Ironically I pretty much look like an old salty sea dog now so maybe it was inevitable.
Backup, backup, BACKUP.
Everyone needs to start buying massive long term drives so we can preserve the good things before it gets riddled with fucking AI dogshit garbage
It's hard across decades. I have files going back to the 90s, and between format changes, data loss and corruption, and simply keeping it all organized - a lot gets lost.
I made a project report page for a high school class on angelfire in the early 2000s, and for some reason it's still up in all of its cringy glory. I haven't had access to the angelfire account/email for like 2 decades and I'm pretty sure the account itself doesn't even exist in angelfire's database anymore. But every time I think about it I go check and it just won't die. All of the images still work and everything. It even had the classic page view counter, which is still functioning as intended, and reads 198.
Why was this now a decision by the people? It's always a single judge. This should have been by a group of people who were called for jury duty
I cant remember the exact url, but all of southpark baring episode 200 and 201 were on a website called southpark studio, with no adds or payment.
Bro what's with the thumbnail? Burn it!
ouch.
We're in the end game now.
I’ve wanted access to the entire library of previously-aired Daily Show episodes (specifically 2001-2008). There’s a lot of summarized historical/cultural notes in there that warrant revisiting (specifically involving the GWOT).
A lot of Gen Z and Alpha are going to lose some context into how the Bush administration BS’ed their way into Iraq.
The PC cables website is awesome! Just what you need straight to the point without all the nonsense. I avoid all online shops that insist on creating an account lately. You don't have PayPal express checkout? Then you don't need me as a customer.
I just used time machine to get old manuals from a company that doesn't exist now so i could get one of their products running again lol WE NEED THESE DAWG WDYM
I feel like one of the major efforts of the coming years should be the collection and publication of repair documents in a single open archive. It could tie in nicely with the right to repair movement. I have personally been able to save a machine for which no replacement is manufactured, because someone was still paying hosting for the defunct company website with pdf service manuals.
We all collectively need to sail the seven seas before it’s too late.
The death of an era. Making history disappear and making access to information harder is a classic way to dumb down the crowds.
As always, the main problem is, companies that operate entirely for-profit try to shape the public to fit their needs to increase profit.
They give little to no shit about the actual people or their needs.
I wonder if that judge even understands how e-books work.
Photo Bucket destroyed my images I had in my archive there ages ago. It was all personal photos too. So I redownloaded what was left in reasonable quality, deleted the rest, and closed my account.
I'm trying to download the internet, but I have little legs...
Is there any way we can crowd source a fund to buy the next big studio failure and turn the properties over to creative commons?
All these moment will be lost in time, like tears in the rain.
I wonder if one of their artists made that thumbnail by hand specifically to look Ai
Wonder what *Aaron Swartz* would think if he Saw this.. 'The Library Archive'
That shop page is also like ROCK AUTO for car parts. Fantastic shopping experience, and so many parts! Not having to scroll through pages and pages of things looking under one heading. Fantastic!
Agreed!
This is why I'm downloading ever old movie and tv/cartoon/anime to keep forever on my hard drives. Also might need to get more roms for my older games.
less "decentralise archives" and more "destroy corporations", people.
Sure, I'll get right on that.
I could see one day a secret internet where you enter it turns out to be the internet of the 1990's
4:58 im gonna start downloading more stuff that i come back to from time to time just in case
Tons of angelfire and geocities sites lost to time as well
I miss the original Hamsterdance site
"Husky Starcraft" a few years back just pulling all the starcraft casts and years of professional play gone.
That is the nature of those greedy companies, the best is to terrent everything you like and save it for later...
Rock auto is pretty similar format to the cable website you showed. My favorite retailer for most of my car parts since it’s easy to find products/compare them to eachother. Plus the prices are great
IA made a grave error by allowing unlimited access to books
There is a legal requirement to send a copy of everything that is published on paper to an archive, and there is an archive of everything that was ever aired on TV (in France at least).
We need something similar written in law for the internet.
Archive should be on a global decentralized blockchain.
Is this how they put a veil over basically burning books
How good is pccables?
Those prices seems a little cheap.
Don't know if they're in Canada, but Rock Auto is also a super simple web design. It's easy enough to navigate though, and if that's what helps me get car parts at lower costs I'm all for it.
So its not on Google Takeout?
We have to go back
I guess they want us to torrent again.
Alright, no problem. VPN's have never been more accessible and storage has never been cheaper. Time to brush off that PLEX lifetime subscription I bought in college.
Wiping archives of these old pages is akin to the burning of the Library of Alexandria.
Does this also apply in the EU? I feel like this is a good opportunity for the DU to step up again and allow this to be protected and accessible for everyone with a VPN
A lot of archives are being nearly completely destroyed by corporations. And everything else is borderline unusable due to payment processors having way too much power. Image hosting sites being the most affected
So many old forum sites are completely deleted as well
Im sure someone mirrored the site before the takedown. Welcome to the Internet.
my sarcasm detector is reading off the charts
There wad a way to view photo bucket content before they locked it down
If I can go into a library and rent out a book for free? How is this ANY different than the Internet Archive.
This shows how fleeting digital content can be and it's truly disheartening to lose such valuable resources. Hoping for a positive outcome from the appeal, to preserve the spirit of internet as a shared repository of knowledge.
The high seas be calling
IIRC, (and I might be wrong) the problem with the internet archives' case was that they lent multiple copies of the books they were lending because they're digital and that makes sense, bypassing the 1-book-1-lender traditional model. But laws haven't caught up to digital reality to recognize this. Traditionally, in a library if you have one copy of a book, you can't lend out two copies because you only have one. In the digital age, you have no such restriction other than archaic laws that say you can't do that.
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(~) 3:50 They're probably trying to save developer resources too. Each of their sites probably has a team they inherited when they acquired the sites, along with all of that legacy code and no one wants to go back and maintain it when they now have a unified codebase in Paramount Plus probably. It might just be me, but I tend to assume most corpo websites are just BARELY operational in terms of code given that a lot of the programming mantra in the US is "Does it work? Yes. Well, ship it."
The Old Web is Crumbling? Have you seen the bad, bad advertising lately? It is basically Web 2.0 from 1999!!!!
In a few hundred years, no one will know what happened. When news papers and books were the main source of information, you could revisit the past by going to the library and finding an old book or looking through microfilm. With everything online now, so many news sites putting things behind a paywall, and now this overreaching "copyright" enforcement, this part of history will be erased. Hmmm... maybe it should be? :) Seriously though, it's an important time in history with the birth of the information age and now AI. Would be a shame.
It’s almost like corporations don’t want the normies to have access to historical evidence.
If only we had someone who could write a law authorising this use of ebooks.
Just download everything
The cable shopping website reminds me of how we used to be able to run Windows and a web browser and other programs, all with 256MB of RAM, and aside from possibly having a poor internet speed you could load and display web pages pretty fast. Now chrome by itself takes more RAM than one of those old computers, and website speed varies a lot depending on the JavaScript code running in it.
It's probably pretty even in speed usually, but it kind of feels bad making a lot of progress on the hardware side just to have that progress consumed by what feels like more and more bloated software.
I must've misheard a while back, I thought the internet archive was lending beyond its physical copies. That is actually ridiculous.
Yes, they were breaking the copyright law. As much as I don’t agree w/ it, they were in the wrong.
But format shifting needs to be codified into law. If you physically own any copy, you should be able to format shift into whatever you want and as long as you abide by copyright law you are okay to lend it out.
All of tbis is going to lead to more piracy. It’s been in the rise and is just going to accelerate.
The thing with internet archive, there were copying physical books and lending then out.
hey did not buy the digital license. That is a big difference.
MEANWHILE, the secondary library should start getting its data pushed over
I actively archive websites almost on a daily basis. Therefore donating to them seemed like a logical choice and I'll keep doing so forever since it's so important.
Its not the old internet crumbling. Its the book publishers crumbling.
I will never respect the "property" of any corporation over anything that is infinitely reproduceable. Intellectual "property" laws are one of the worst things governments arbitrarily uphold to protect the interests of the most powerful institutions, one clear example is the patent over the production process of insulin, which makes it very expensive in the US, and people nevertheless still buy into the rhetoric that it stirs innovation as if new things were never made until those existed.
So I'm with you, but the insulin we use today is literally not the same thing he released for free
Any analogue that has a patent is different enough to the patent office that its a different drug.
Currently hosting for static sites is zero if your site is small
Copyright is not Infringement, if you've never read that book, you should. and it is freely available within Linux package managers. Haven't really checked in an online way through browser but it might be somewhere.
That's why decentralisation and Anti KYC is important to protect the internet.
Never forget the logic lawyers and corporate leaders use and the logic normal people use are very very different things from each other. In corporations any idea must go up the chain with each officer it passes lifting its leg and peeing on the idea.
At least hampsterdance (sic) still (barely) lives in something resembling its old form.
{o.o}
yes, south park episodes used to be free on a specific south park website.
Let's let's not mention books and physical media. Even the Internet is disappearing into a "memory hole". Orwell was only off my 40 years
Every day is a new and exciting feeling of dread!
Anything out of print or beyond a reasonable price should be online and free period.