I looked at the N22 & N22H combo, they offer a superb clean install option & save a fortune on cable & installation costs + a great spec headphone amp thrown in. Makes total sense for any studio application & anyone recording other artists with the mixer / interface / pre's etc. back at the desk being controlled by the engineer. Working mainly solo I wanted an "in booth" physical level/mix control between the Monitor track & the live Mic so the janky old MA400 lived on.
This video comes at a great time haha, literally spent the past day looking into these and just saw your other video on the n22's. There aren't enough videos on the N8 aside from the clips from NAMM announcing them
Guitarist here. I am working on CAT5 audio as a "snake" for my four cable method from pedal board to amp, direct (DI) box snakes etc, over cat5. Also footswitches for amp channel switching can go over the same kind of snake. From 4-8 unbalanced unshielded GUITAR signals to one or two very high quality and very quickly connected and disconnected cables. Yay. Guitarists rejoice. Church musicians rejoice. Who really loves having big ugly dirty piles of individual audio cables?
How do you manage interfacing your unbalanced sources with this setup? I imagine noise could be an issue over ethernet cable with unbalanced signals? I'm currently rebuilding my studio and am on the fence about spending lots on 20m x32 channels of conventional snakes vs going the cat5 route.
It’s no problem at all, because of the twisted pair transmission don’t think of it as “unbalanced”, it’s zero noise over a mile of cable. A literal mile, Dave Rat did a demo with an sm58 and reels of cable. As for your situation, go with what works for you
? Probably a contentious issue for many, but I only know surface level stuff about a wide variety of things and not the real-world grown-up stuff, so I don't know what I'm getting into her: why not send digital audio through the CAT cables instead of analog audio, and why not use CAT7 instead of the 22 year old CAT5 standard? I'm sure the price difference is negligible, since the world uses virtually a million kilometers of either
Cat5 is just shorthand for any Ethernet cable in modern terms, it’s easier to search for but yes Cat6a shielded is ideal. Digital audio means a much different workflow, including expensive converters and preamps right next to musicians, and so the cost to setup ratio is very different. In live sound something like AES67 or Dante is great because you’re usually running a single cable from a stage a long way to a single mixing desk, but the analog solution is far more flexible
@@adamsteelproducer "AES67 or Dante", now I'm confused but intrigued! Have you done any videos on this or maybe a course? I'm an opera singer by trade, but I've been dabbling with composing and songwriting forever and now I want to *discreetly* convert my rehearsal shed/house into a flexible recording and mixing space. I say convert, it's not even finished yet, but I want to alter the plans.
Absolutely marvellous video!
Thanks Warren! I do like the Cranborne guys
I can see using the high quality, yet cheap, cable makes it easy to rearrange things. A cool repurposing of a mass produced product.
Indeed! I’ve now got points all across the studio where I can get 2 mics and headphones without turning the floor into an urban jungle
Nice explanation as always Adam! We're just happy that Hop Pole Studio will have slightly less cable spaghetti :)
came for cat5 info. subscribed because of the video.
I looked at the N22 & N22H combo, they offer a superb clean install option & save a fortune on cable & installation costs + a great spec headphone amp thrown in.
Makes total sense for any studio application & anyone recording other artists with the mixer / interface / pre's etc. back at the desk being controlled by the engineer.
Working mainly solo I wanted an "in booth" physical level/mix control between the Monitor track & the live Mic so the janky old MA400 lived on.
Loving the bits of comedy that have been coming into the videos lately.
This video comes at a great time haha, literally spent the past day looking into these and just saw your other video on the n22's. There aren't enough videos on the N8 aside from the clips from NAMM announcing them
Guitarist here. I am working on CAT5 audio as a "snake" for my four cable method from pedal board to amp, direct (DI) box snakes etc, over cat5. Also footswitches for amp channel switching can go over the same kind of snake. From 4-8 unbalanced unshielded GUITAR signals to one or two very high quality and very quickly connected and disconnected cables. Yay. Guitarists rejoice. Church musicians rejoice. Who really loves having big ugly dirty piles of individual audio cables?
Nice! I’d be interested to hear how this goes. I know twisted pair cabling in CAT5 is very good at rejection (even better in shielded Cat6a)
Brilliant
nice advert
Hi, Can you mix the thomann snake with the cranborne? I already have have some thoman ones.
How do you manage interfacing your unbalanced sources with this setup? I imagine noise could be an issue over ethernet cable with unbalanced signals? I'm currently rebuilding my studio and am on the fence about spending lots on 20m x32 channels of conventional snakes vs going the cat5 route.
It’s no problem at all, because of the twisted pair transmission don’t think of it as “unbalanced”, it’s zero noise over a mile of cable. A literal mile, Dave Rat did a demo with an sm58 and reels of cable. As for your situation, go with what works for you
@@adamsteelproducer Good to know, thanks!
Hey Adam, is there an update to this change in the studio? How is it working out?
Still using the cat5, it’s been fantastic. No issues at all
Can phantom power be transmitted over ethernet cable for 1+ mics?
In this case of analog over cat5, yes
? Probably a contentious issue for many, but I only know surface level stuff about a wide variety of things and not the real-world grown-up stuff, so I don't know what I'm getting into her: why not send digital audio through the CAT cables instead of analog audio, and why not use CAT7 instead of the 22 year old CAT5 standard? I'm sure the price difference is negligible, since the world uses virtually a million kilometers of either
Cat5 is just shorthand for any Ethernet cable in modern terms, it’s easier to search for but yes Cat6a shielded is ideal.
Digital audio means a much different workflow, including expensive converters and preamps right next to musicians, and so the cost to setup ratio is very different. In live sound something like AES67 or Dante is great because you’re usually running a single cable from a stage a long way to a single mixing desk, but the analog solution is far more flexible
@@adamsteelproducer "AES67 or Dante", now I'm confused but intrigued! Have you done any videos on this or maybe a course? I'm an opera singer by trade, but I've been dabbling with composing and songwriting forever and now I want to *discreetly* convert my rehearsal shed/house into a flexible recording and mixing space.
I say convert, it's not even finished yet, but I want to alter the plans.