5 Reasons Going To Mars is a TERRIBLE Idea | Answers With Joe
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With both SpaceX and NASA ramping up plans to go to Mars, maybe it's time to consider the other side of the discussion - that traveling to Mars might be a terrible idea.
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Issue number one: Radiation.
Outside our protective magnetic sphere, space is a shooting gallery of solar radiation and cosmic rays that would wreak havoc on our bodies to a level that right now we can only speculate.
And then there’s the 18 months you would spend on Mars, which doesn’t have a magnetosphere and a very thin atmosphere.
Humans have never been exposed to this type of radiation for this long. It’s a problem we’ve never dealt with before, and it’s going to be a huge challenge to overcome.
Number two: Extremely low air pressure.
The Martian atmosphere has only 1% of the air pressure of Earth.
Walking outside on Mars is not that much different from walking on the moon, from a life support systems perspective.
The thin atmosphere is also a nightmare for landing on Mars.
That’s why smaller rovers like Spirit and Opportunity used bizarre air bag systems to land and Curiosity, which was much heavier, had to use a combination of parachutes, thrusters, and a cable system to get there safely.
So SpaceX’s vertical propulsive landing option is probably best for Mars, but this is something that’s never been done up to this point, so it’s hard to know what challenges there are in attempting this with the thinner atmosphere and lower gravity.
Number 3: Perchlorates in the soil
In the Biosphere 2 project, they grew their own food and struggled to have enough for everyone to eat. When they emerged at the end, many were malnourished and emaciated.
In 2008, the Mars Phoenix lander found significant quantities of perchlorate in the Martian soil.
Perchlorates are salt compounds that are often used in rocket propellants and they’re extremely harmful for humans.
They interrupt the thyroid gland and prevent the body from absorbing iodine, which leads to aplastic anemia.
That’s when your bone marrow can’t make new red blood cells. Red blood cells are what carry oxygen through the body. Minor problem.
Or, if aplastic anemia isn’t your thing, you might get agranulocytosis, which prevents your body from making white blood cells.
Chris McKay at the Ames Research Center said that if your backyard had this much perchlorate in the soil, it would be considered a superfund site.
Basically Mars is a giant toxic waste dump.
Number 4: The gravity problem
Mars is smaller than Earth, with gravity only 38% of that you’re used to here. An average 150 pound person on Earth would weigh only 57 pounds on Mars.
We do have some idea of what to expect from long-term zero gravity thanks to astronauts like Scott Kelly and Mikhail Kornienko, who just this year completed a year-long space mission.
Although the record was set in 1995 by Valery Polyakov, who flew on the Mir space station for 437 days.
And last but not least, number 5: The Contamination Problem
We’ve talked in videos about the Fermi Paradox and the Drake Equation in the search for intelligent life in the universe.
Because if life could form twice in one solar system, the potential for life in other solar systems, and intelligent life, becomes very significant.
So one of the biggest problems when it comes to traveling to Mars is that we’re not just bringing ourselves… We’re bringing our microbes.
The second we land on Mars, we have contaminated it. - Розваги
let's go to Sun! We will land at night to avoid getting burned.
Are you a blonde? hahaha.
Nobody should laugh, the Irish government has poured a lot of money into this project bejasus !!
Don’t be stupid; we’d land at night on the dark back side, facing away from all the heat during the day hours.
The Greeks tried that already they went bankrupt.
😂😂
Two things about Bioshpere. 1 - The duffel bag was filled with all sorts of goodies from the outside world. 2 - Joe didn't mention that the place also became infested with cockroaches.
@Manny L have u seen terraformars o_o
@@alaka5623 🤣🤣
Cherry picking information for capital gains
Seems like they could have figured out a way to not let cockroaches in. But once they got in, she should have had some cockroach eating lizards in the duffel bag.
AL……cockroaches would have been a bonus as an unforeseen supply of clean protein!! You can roast them, add them to stew, they make wonderful pop-corn, nutty in a smoothie, add a little on your grilled cheese sandwich, steak n roach, a colonist’s dream!!! Think outside the box!!
Venus. Another superfund site. Pros: Gravity. Cons: Yes.
This is probably the most accurate comment on this video 😭 I read a story from The Illustrated Man about a colony on what I assume was either a terraformed Venus or what people thought Venus was like in the 50s and I did some research after that to see what it's like and realized why people chose Mars lol
Lmao you have me dying😭
Ha ha ha, perfectly expressed!
Yes Venus! Don't know why there isn't more interest in going to Venus. It's so much better than Mars
Cons of going to Venus. Gravity is almost the same, there is protection against radiation, perfect temperature, perfect pressure, lots of sunlight and energy.
He failed to mention that Mars ain't the kind of place to raise your kids, in fact it's cold as hell.
And there's no one there to raise them, if you did.
Its OK, I'm gonna be high as a kite by then.
Plus you're gonna be lonely out in space
Thanks for the reminder, didn't think about that.
@@despacitodaniel801 you don't even go try to go outside it's so boring and you gotta exercise so much
Short version: we learned a TON from this experiment, which is what experiments are for.
Negative results are still results. We pay for information, whether we like it or no.
As long as we dont bring bacteria from earth then we wont have to deal with them
@@BossOfAllTrades good thing that there are only more bacteria on and in our bodies than there are stars in the Milky Way..
Thats what I was thinking. No accomplishments are made without some trial and error.
The dude that paid is withholding most of the data. So we learned a bit, but not as much as we wanted to. We did learn that concrete can 'eat' o2 haha
Send old people like me. I'm 69 and still healthy and no stranger to hardship. If I live one month on Mars I'll die amazed!
Age = Nice
Out of a population of 7 billion, trust me there is no shortage of young healthy smart idealists who would volunteer to go.
@@lastword8783 Try 7.8 Billion people as of today, and counting. We'll reach 8 Billion sometime in 2022. :(
@@lastword8783 Btw, I wouldn't call those idealists 'smart'.
@@samr.england613 no they'll definitely be smart but whether or not they are wise remains to be seen.
Easy solution:
Send Flat Earthers first, as test subjects.
@@godleveltroll2353
HAHAHAHA
As an incentive, emphasize the Center of the Cosmos has shifted to Mars as well.
Sorry, they all died due to being anti-vaxxers, Finally, something they didn't believe in, Killed them!
Ahahahahaha brilliant, magnificent and magical. Kudos!
They will become flat-Martians
the Biosphere project actually was a success in finding out what could go wrong despite the extra things that were brought in and the separation mentality or division of the people that would occur after spending so much time together in this environment
Only if we learn from the mistakes
Success?With nothing going right?We heard the man :"It was a complete disaster!".
@@Slavov_Ukraini yes it was but they learned a lot from it.
@@Slavov_Ukraini failures are how we learn
@@kristinehansen. like for instance:you can't do it on Mars if you can't do it on Earth.
People are getting cabin fever with just a couple of months of quarantine, and BioSphere was far larger than most homes.
Anyone who has lived several years in "The North" knows that this can be pretty easily remedied. But the goal needs to be an ever-expanding community of communities. You can't just drop six guys on the surface and say "done!".
Ahh, so Gates/Fauci developed Covid only to get us ready for longer duration space travel?
I'd be okay with video games and my art tablet
@97RAVINEAVE Exactly what I thought too. It reminds me of Sun Tzu's Art of War when he explains that putting your men in a position where they have no option to surrender or flee on the battlefield will force them to do extraordinary things to survive.
Biosphere 2 didn't use scholars or scientists. Most of the peeps were part of an acting troup. The woman who cut herself didn't know how to use the equipment, and there wasn't a doctor inside. They were doomed to fail from the beginning because they took idiots inside to do a serious scientific experiment. I wonder how it would have gone if the people were skilled at farming, engineering, medicine, microbiology, and even just basic survival skills!
It still may have failed, but the results would be more accurate, and pinpoint legitimate possible solutions.
Could you imagine living 2 years in a bubble with uneducated dramatic twits!?
You and I may not want to be on that first trip to Mars, but the beautiful thing about living on a planet with 7 billion people is that you’ll always find someone crazy enough.
it's no about being crazy, it's about not being cowerdish.
hello
What else are you going to do with your life? Grow old and feeble and spend your final days in a nursing home, waiting for death? Better to risk dying young and go out doing something worthwhile.
mca mac You've been waiting for death since your parents conceived you. Going to Mars isn't gonna stop you from doing so.
SeculaRxHumanisT - I didn't say it would. In fact I said the exact opposite. We will all die someday, so you may as well go out on a high note.
I live in Tucson, and I’m glad to hear someone actually talk about the failures of Biosphere 2.
What happened to Biosphere 1? Or did they name it #2 to get anyone to sign up for the experiment.
@@swinde Bub…you missed the intro!!! Biosphere 1. Refers to our planet!!
So you already live in the surface of mars.
As it turns out, Biosphere Two's oxygen depletion problem was caused by the concrete not being able to cure correctly. An oversight like that on Mars would be DEADLY!
Mars makes Death Valley look like a tropical paradise.
So Bub….WHY THIS ITCH TO GO THERE ??????? You can’t even have sex in them space suits!!!
I went to Holland for a week with my friends..we came back hating each other..never mind Mars.
Amen the people posting these wet dreams probably live in their parents basements like Bernie Sanders and Al Gore!
Lmao traveling with friends is awful. It can end friendships for sure.
Hell, many families can't get through a Thanksgiving meal, together!
Is Holland really that bad 😁
No way. According to Michael Rosen, it has windmills!
I appreciate how cynical he looks while he filmed himself sitting there in silence for the bit with Counter Argument Joe
Just take a solar powered kettle and 97 billion Pot Noodles
The biosphere project wasn't a failure at all, it showed us how hard it is to set something like that up.
And for all the "failure is the best teacher" rhetoric, everyone completely forgets it as soon as it's inconvenient.
An undesirable result from an experiment is not a failure. No result would have been a failure
He’s a guy that sees the glass half empty.
@@julianfox362 the biosphere glass was almost totally empty. we don't have more than a smidgeon of the tech or resources we need to sustainably colonize mars and we won't for a long time to come. watch elon postpone over and over again, for years if not decades.. guaranteed
@@peabody3000 He may surprise us.
It will be a great reality show to watch, but with no second season.
Caliban777 yes the costs will be huge and pretty pointless.
Lol l agree but worth the effort
Lol l agree but worth the effort
@Caliban777 The second season will be zombies walking around Mars.
The most important lesson that we will learn from any attempt to colonise Mars (that will undoubtedly fail) is the imperative that we protect Earth. It’s the only home we have and most likely will remain so.
It was a great experiment though humans need to learn the surprises and their own limitations...experiments help with gaining that knowledge.
Babe….are you a Martian volunteer?? Just itching to burrow into the Martian dirt?? Have you ever felt like kicking your in laws out after a week???
THANK YOU for the reality that most people don’t realize
but elon musk
@@ponternal RANDOM AGRESSIVE GIBBERISH!
*some elon fan*
That fraud Musk and his cult don't realize. The rest of us understand that
We do, and we want to do it anyway. Probably not with Musk though. Though if he died on Mars like he declared, "man on Mars" would already be a huge step forward.
Watching Scott Kelley was really eye-opening! Can you imagine how crappy you'd feel to have gotten used to zero gravity for a year then stepping onto Earth for the first time? It would be like someone putting you in a 150 pound (or however much you weigh) suit one day and then you having to go about your daily routine. That would put me in a grumpy mood to say the least.
The “not talking to each other part” was quite hilarious 🤣🤣
Right 😂😂😂
The 'right stuff' eh? Maybe they should send Bruce Willis...
I smell a hilarious reality show. 😆
AND THEY HAD TO USE MAKE UP ON THEM TO MEET THE PUBLIC, BECAUSE THEY TURNED ORANGE FROM THEIR VEG DIET!!!
Anyone ever think about the extreme boredom one would experience once things are set up on mars assuming we overcome the initial hurtles like getting a preliminary sustainable base set up? You won't have internet or outdoor recreation and like he said we will only see the same small group of people for the rest of our lives. You will have at that point met all the people you will ever meet in your life assuming it's a one way mission.
18 month bids on the planet. Here's an idea... test for aptitude then train low risk prison inmates with 5+ year sentences. Give them incentivised pay and a full pardon upon return to earth after an 18 month stay on Mars (round trip an additional 14 months making the total time 2 years and 8 months). A lot of inmates are in excellent physical health already and have a lot of free time they could spend on learning necessary skills for each specialized task. The biggest thing they'd have to train for is emotional and behavioral health. Many are already used to prolonged and extreme isolation.
@@No-yi4or roflmao 5 to 10 years in prison or the death penalty... Hmmmmm
i would definitly just stay put and grab the soap instead of becoming soap lol
@@No-yi4or Australia 2.0 😂
SO…..WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU ENTERTAIN THE THOUGHT OF GOING??????? Get a group of your friends to move into a small house with you for two years!! Blacken all the windows, so you can’t see out!! Welcome to the initial colony!! ENJOY….YOU PIONEERING SPIRITS!!!!!
@@No-yi4or yeah…..get someone else to do it for the glory of the human race!!
He failed to mention Bud and Doyle, who unknowingly stumbled into the bio-sphere thinking it was a mall; completely altering the experiment.
We should keep doing those biosphere experiments. Just like developing rockets, you can’t expect to nail it the first, second, or even tenth attempt lol
If we can't go to Mars, let's bring Mars to us.
How would that work?
Chris Coyle it would definitely waste all our resources trying to do it
That’s what the Biosphere 2 lady was trying to do by bringing in Mars bars in a duffel bag.
Unfortunately Mars is the god of war.
Good news, we can fix all this with terra forming.
Bad News; it will take 50,000 years.
by kidnapping mars’ daughter?
Regardless of what science says, theres no way we're moving any celestial bodies. If we could, we would have already sent an asteroid to North Korea or some shit.
Excellent video, and one reason why I think our first ventures beyond low-earth-orbit should be a return to the Moon, which is a whole lot closer, and where it’s easier to “cheat” in terms of handling food issues, medical emergencies, shorter duration missions, with perhaps a gradual extension in the duration of those missions, to compare lunar gravity with microgravity (free fall). If I remember, those astronauts who landed on the Moon preferred the low gravity to no gravity. We could even develop a permanent base.
The Earth is three days away, not several months, and communication is almost instantaneous. That means that if there is a problem, Mission Control would be able to help immediately. That would be lacking as a crewed vessel got further and further from Earth, since communication is limited to the speed of light, and there would be periods of a significant delay in awaiting a reply sent back and forth. It would also cause a significant delay in receiving telemetry, which really means that in a crisis (such as an Apollo 13 type failure, the flight crew would really be on their own for long periods of time).
That’s important when you look at the sheer number of flight controllers (those in the command center, as well as those supporting the flight controllers in back rooms). It would mean a completely different mindset for both crews (astronauts and ground crew). No manned flight has ever been out of contact for protracted periods of time (the exception being the loss of signal when the Apollo spacecraft would be orbiting above the far side of the Moon). The crew would have to do much more on their own.
In terms of landing on Mars, the reason why such exotic methods of landing unmanned probes were used was primarily NASA’s budgetary constraints. While early probes, like Viking, had large budgets (in constant dollars), later interplanetary probes have had much less money to spend, so the engineers had to learn how to build much less expensive probes. Hence the airbags, or the systems shown in the video.
A MANNED mission would mean a much larger budget, on man-rated spacecraft. The landing system would probably be like Viking’s or the Lunar Modules, using rockets to slow the descent and land. It’s much more expensive than airbags, but it’s safer.
I just don’t see a manned Mars mission in the near future. Considering its much lower budget, it is amazing just how much we have learned from the unmanned missions carried out by NASA, the ESA, the Russian space program, and other space agencies. The two Voyager spacecraft are now leaving the Solar System (giving us valuable data on just what that boundary is like, and will likely outlast the planet Earth, and indeed the Sun, as well.
Cronin…..there aren’t enough misery on the planet we should mend before the tremendous money pit of a moon base??? No casualties even hinted at!!! Moon base my ass!! Go out and feed a few hungry homeless!!
It's almost as if the Earth is specifically and uniquely suited to human life.
More like, human life has evolved over millions of years to work well with Earth's conditions.
@ ganymede3141 And even then humans can’t survive on 70 percent of the planet
@@ganymede3141 Yup, and we're making the earth less suitable for human life.
@@AugustAPC Keep in mind Climate Change is something that can occur naturally
No it ain’t lmao 😂 once that sun explodes we’re doomed
worst conditions on earth are 1000 times better then on mars
than
Not that much better . . . Mars can get to be pretty warm (-25 Celsius)
And why do think those "conditions" are 1,000 worse??? Here's the answer: Humans! We're cause of all the shit and chaos. We'll only be taking the same shit and chaos to mars with us!
fullofstars not even true, I'm fairly certain the equator on mars is fairly temperate during its summer season.
It sounds like the first people on mars will be scientists and such in small numbers, not regular people. Mars would have to be highly developed before regular people visit, then I'm sure it would probably be more of a vacation spot long before colonization took place.
Hydroponics and aquaponics require no soil, but fish feed/fertilizer and power.
I think building underground on mars is the smartest thing.
(And how would we get a multi-ton tunnel boring machine there; though I'm sure they'll try, if there's like gold there.)
@@nostromov7892 Searh for Mars lava tunnels.
That has been done already. Search for "Oxygen not included".
Nice, ok. Ty. :)
@@nostromov7892 coincidently, the guy making rockets with 150metric ton payload capacities, is also the guy who started a company around making TBM's more efficient. And coincidently that guy really wants to go to Mars.
We should learn to appreciate and respect our own planet before we go and make a mess on another one.
As a species, we never will. We F-ed Up our own planet, and instead of taking responsibility by respecting Mother Nature and utilizing her resources efficiently, greed & power took over.
Therefore, the Alphas neglect & destroy what we currently have, leaving the Betas & further unfortunate populations to burden the chaos.
So, [----> Alphas
We need to just dump our garbage into the giant incinerator called the sun. We could use the moon as as a land fill.
@@jeffreykalb9752 When Anti-Gravity technology emerges, sounds like a feasible option.
How do you make a mess of a dead planet?
Joe: Cosmic rays that can destroy our bodies in ways we can't imagine
Me: waow pretty
Don't worry Joe. There is no pressure to living on Mars.
But there is serious pressure to living on the bottom of the ocean.
Quality pun
This is how puns should be done
I hear that the surface of the sun is an amazing place to colonize. It is to die for.
I see what you did there.
its a small amount of pressure near vacuum however the psychological pressure i believe has been overlooked here
‘The earth is like a warm bosom’ - Joe Scott, 2017
As long as the hemispheres are divided East and West and NOT North and South. Ah, sweet equatorial warmth!
Your absolutely right. The people who think we should be on Mars, should be on the maiden voyage. Have a nice trip.
Breaking the rules here is actually to be expected and good, since it provides "lessons learned" and avoids making these faults in an actual situation.
Very good of you to mention some of the additional harasses, but I'll stick with Joe #2:
We are going to Mars, "not because it is easy, but because it is hard".
We are going to mas. not with proven technology, but with imagination, that will keep everyone alive i am sure.
Nope 🤣
I was designed for earth. If it goes down, I go down with it. Like a captain on his ship ;)
Water is every where. This is just ignorance parading as wisdom. An, at this point, its inevitable that we leave terafirma and evolve.
People will evolve in mars. When, only time can tell. Safety first. 🙏
Moon is the closest. But... 🤷
Yh we have a fookin good planet , we need to improve this , NOT find and settle (hopefully in 100s of years) on any other planet . Think of planets which are 5 million light years away , doesn't make sense to go there tbh.
@@tanaypandey1771 With humility, it does make sense, kindly ask our scientists.
But we can't simply go rabbit mode for that. 🙏
Top 5 reasons why going to Mars is a good idea.
1.) In-laws
That's all I got.
Nice.
2) Trump
3) life... or rather the desire to end one's own.
4) boredom
Donald Trump
Do you want zombies!? Cause that's how you get zombies! 🤣 Classic Archer
“Do you want zombies? Because that’s how you get zombies”. Hahaha 😅
Couldn't carry enough t.p. for the trip.
The most insurmountable problem.
I HAVEN'T USED TOILET PAPER IN 11 YEARS. I LIVE IN THAILAND AND WE USE A BUM GUN TO BLAST EVERYTHING OFF OUR ASSES. THE THAI PEOPLE USE WHAT WE CALL TOILET PAPER AS NAPKINS. I KNOW HOW STRANGE THAT SOUNDS BUT WHEN I WOULD VISIT MY MOM IN CALIFORNIA, I INSTALLED ONE IN HER BATHROOM. SHE LOVED IT. LOL
She probably used it for other purposes than cleaning her bum.
D.A. Risse - yeah, good luck growing forests on Mars.
That's where I draw the line!
Brock Ary so who checks to see if you’ve done a good enough job! And if you didn’t you have two options: you either stay dripping wet and dirty, or you use a towel to wipe yourself dry. If you haven’t got done a good job you now have a dirty towel which you have to wash. So what have you accomplished with your smart idea? You’ve exchanged toilet paper for chemicals in the soap that drain in the water that have to be absorbed by nature one way or another. The answer is not all that simple just because you’ve gotten used to gunning your ass!
Wait, when have Humans ever done things because it's safe and smart?
@P: Umm, let me think, can't remember really, except for inventing the wheel.
@Larry Carmody CMD- Hadda go to the moon to find new technologies?
@FML- “Incredibly” large human population? More than 7.8 billion 🔥 🐜s are in my back yard. 🐜
the 'hold my beer principle'
What about Titanic ?? PMSL
I drew your thumbnail as a future tattoo except it was before your video came out lol I like the idea of a floating astronaut for malenia and falling down towards a barren planet
@Joe² you have entered the uncanny valley and returned unscathed!!! Best one on one I've ever seen!!!
13:29 Well, actually... we have since discovered that the radiation in space also causes brain damage.
Yea, this video came out before that recent study. And it pretty much puts the final nail in the coffin for any serious attempt at a manned Mars mission.
Dindunuthingwrong Not good enough. Read the study.
Humans might explore space but only as AI robots, not in our fragile biological form. We are not designed for that.
LoVeLoVe
You can wear a hat made out of cooking foil, that should sort it.
It causes damage to every part of the body..
RE: The 1991 biosphere project. It may have been a failure, but then what is the purpose of an experiment if you already know all the answers. I am sure they got a lot of data from that project and combined with better modern technology, I am sure they will have better results than the first project if they try it again.
Exactly. They should be doing this over and over again, refining the techniques and technology. Within about five tries, the thing will be doing pretty well. The first settlement on Mars is going to fail too, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try again and again and again.
Bryan Blatz - one other complicating factor in the "environmental problems" was that the ordinary concrete used everywhere in the project took a long time to "set up" and released even more CO2 in the process. Out in an ordinary construction project it can be ignored, there is wind, after all. This is so important I should make that a separate comment.
Great sketch at the end! Nailed it!! lol
I'm so glad I discovered this channel. It's been roughly 2 weeks. I can safely say that I've done a bit of binge watching in that time. Absolutely fabulous work!
Even though I am not always excited about online social media and such, I do recognize that channels like this not only allow ordinary folks (with great ideas and even greater personalities) to make a living off of this. And that benefits everyone. It opens the door for the spread of information that is of our choosing. It broadens our perspective and throws off the restraints of our previous 'norms'. Of course, there is bad information out there. But, by far, the opportunities created by platforms like this are immeasurable. Now all we need to do is work around those undesirable algorithms.
Thank you Joe!
13.10 of going to an extreme is a major delusion
Wow!! I love the editing you did with towards the end. Really cool!
I've just seen the horror, about the 1845 arctic expedition. Two winters on two ships, without sunlight. All 130 men died. Totally worth it imo.
Janus……those sailors ignored the savages who would have taught them to hunt for seal!! White colonist superiority!!! So….they ate each other!! Mars missions will be riddled with such folly!!!
This video misses the point. Even if an experiment "fails", it still gives us worthwhile information that we didn't have before. There is no shame in failing. In fact, I would be greatly surprised if we got it right the first time.
Problem is that if you "fail" you are dead.
The death someone will have on Mars will be beneficial to our knowledge and to not make the same mistake in the future
The word you are looking for is not "failure" - it's "death." You first, or your son or daughter - be our guest!
... what if you hate your son or daughter and are a terrible person... who do anything for science.
The information is of extremely limited value to us because the planet is completely dead. Void of any life or means of supporting life. It would only be useful information if were in a position to colonise Mars any time soon and build artificial biospheres there to support life..but how do you get water on a planet like Mars? Shipping it from earth regularly doesn't seem very practical with our present primitive space rockets, we'd have to reach a much more technologically advanced age where travel is much faster and less costly, to keep supplying Mars with water.
I'm over 2 minutes in and I'm still waiting for a Biodome joke.
Don't forget a fleet of starships providing food tools and everything you would need.
Absolutely. Nobody is discussing this. We would need NUMEROUS support missions, and ALL of them would have to be glitch-free.
Just build a giant Taco Bell on Mars. Everything would be a'ight.
Russell Solomon But Taco Bell is disgusting.
Ernesto Estrada Better than nothing.
bound to be a long dry spell on the trip over to Mars, so you'll find me in the MARS BAR, an hour after touchdown :D
You talk about the Biosphere Project as if it was a bad thing to have it bring up so many potential disaster sources? That is what experiments are there for, to show the problems and lead the research into directions not previously thought of. There should have been a "biosphere three" now (and probably dozens of university psych projects isolating small groups for two years to test various concepts of limiting the social degreadation expriences during BS2) and with BS10 it might have ended up going way more smoothly. You cannnot possibly expect such an enormous undertaking to have only positive results the first time it is undertaken... that would be like strapping the crewed vehicle fully loaded to the very first model of a rocket and being shcoked when it exploded in an enormous fireball...
This is not science failing and showing the travel to Mars is impossible. It is Science WORKING and helping us to work out the kinks BEFORE anybody is sent to Mars. They might even waste a thought or two on "shitpotatoes", just to cover all bases... don't you think?
Ugly German Truths i think what it does show is that the planned timetable for Mars is premature. Yes we need to replicate on earth everything they will be doing to live on Mars as closely as possible and show it works before we actually send anyone. We are so far from that at the moment given the biosphere tried so far didn’t work and even that couldn’t be replicated anywhere close on Mars.
@@andrewwebber421 Exactly! I mean dang, at least try some practice colonies on the Moon. That way, people can come back or things can be shipped as needed. They'd still get a lot of the same conditions they'll need to figure out, before trying this on a planet 7 months away.
This is all so far outside of anyone's experience that it's downright arrogant to think "Oh, we'll figure out all the challenges before we go". You can't engineer around something you can't even fathom.
And I agree Ugly German Truths. It showed all the things that can go wrong, and that made it a success. Ugh, the whole way it was represented in the press really did a number on the project.
@@lunacouer The press? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha... I just wet myself!!!! The press! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. (and I agree... journalism is no more).
what are talking about we must care for our planet first not shithole mars. why would we waste brilliant minds dying there.
@@frodrickfronkensteen9241 Funny, I was talking about the press coverage at the time. You know, 25-30 years ago.
"you want zombies" that killed me
What humans will build 1st on the Moon and Mars: cemeteries
A wise man once said, There known knowns, there are known unknowns☝🏾and there are UNKNOWN UNKNOWNS👽
what about unknown knowns?1
Donald Rumsfeld??
Wise? Lol.
not that *wise* because that logic leads to not knowing!
then where is unknown battlegrounds
Turns out he wasn't so wise after all. He was one of the driving forces behind the worst military blunder in American history.
Why would anyone want to go live in a toxic wasteland?
Edward Roy @ Because fools think we’d be better of there when we’ll destroy Earth.
Well people live in Arizona so
@@RaysOfPivot People live in the U.S. !
Because it’s gotta be easier than changing how we live in order to save our beautiful planet.
Because Elon said so...
Short version: "I am scared of this thing therefore it should not be."
these are all challenges that we can and will overcome
I always react quizically on the occassions when people have had simulated Mars missions in places like the Utah desert or some isolated place in Anarctica. The thing is the most inhospitable place on Earth is a zillion jillion times more hospitable that any place on Mars or anywhere else we know about not on Earth. The phrase "it's no comparison" is overused, but in this case it is fair. There is no comparison. The isolation may be a problem, but it is really the least of the problems.
A more fair comparison would be the "Underground City" of Edmonton. Nobody would live on the surface. This is an engineering challenge that can be met with today's technologies.
I think we'd want more natural light, but LED technology can fill this void.
Grand spaces, LED lighting... The real challenge is growing fast enough to build redundancy in manufacturing. You'd want to know that your neighbors could sell you water if your system broke down. I can see "Water Camps" on Mars as I see current "Oil Camps" in the north: places where a handful of foolhardy young folk can get rich providing a service for the masses.
Our mortality rate in Northern Alberta was up to 7% (higher than Vietnam for an American soldier) but we loved every minute of it. We need a new frontier. Of course it won't be safe - wouldn't be fun if it was.
There are, indeed, huge problems as you say and the conditions much more severe. I used to share your scepticism on terraforming this planet and I accept that a lot of questions still remain. I do, however, remain open to research into confronting the challenges posed and the acquisition for more information on this planet. Given the limitations we face - impossibility of interstellar travel - beggars can't be choosers, we don't have a lot of other options.
You're overthinking it, Howard. If we cannot establish self-sustaining settlements in Antarctica, then it's unlikely we can do it on Mars.
@@samr.england613 You left out the word "Elon". We can't make electric vehicles either, if you recall. If we ditch the bloated government bureaucracy and look to the engineers for solutions - with a budget - then the only question is "how soon". If you remove artificial objections such as "nothing is allowed in from the outside" - which would kill any city on Earth in about a day - then the objections are far less severe. Mars will be very expensive at first - a lot will need to be shipped over at unthinkable expense, but once the base exists, the goal would be expansion, redundancy and self-reliance. The greatest hurdle I can see is finding a way to make it financially attractive to make the initial investment. Everything good you can say about living on Mars might be even better in a hollow asteroid. And remember, within decades many mars-bound supplies might be coming from the asteroids - or Japan's space elevator, not Earth's expensive gravity well. Anyone cay say "it cannot be done": folks like Elon say "let's remove the objections and make it happen". But here's the truth: It is going to happen.
@@samr.england613 And yet was not one established by a group we know as " The Pilgrim Fathers" in somewhere called " The New World" ?
Come on man, didn't you watch The Martian? NASA has got this all figured out, they'll just send Matt Damon .
If you think sending Matt Damon is a good idea, you didn’t watch Interstellar.
Yes, that's It! Send Matt Damon, please..... send Matt Damon. And all the rest of his Hollywood clan. Start with Clooney, Michael Moore, Robert De Niro, Susan Sarandon and if she doesn't violate the weight restrictions Rosie O'Donnell !!!!!
Seriously, if we can't figure out how to overcome the hazards and extremes of space, why spend the hundreds of billions doing it on Mars, when we can accomplish the same thing for less doing it on the Moon? Then when it's all perfected we can do it on Mars or any other reachable location we choose. As for the dust issue, there has to be minds smarter than mine, but a double hulled habitat with an air lock entrance with a positive pressure ventilation/filtration system would be a good starting point. If this method works well enough in the enclosures for asbestos removal and in infectious diseases labs, it should be a good baseline starting point here. Obviously, underground habitats would work best, the problem being carving out a hole in zero g conditions with "some" method that doesn't create bigger problems is the key.
When talking about how the biosphere people weren't even talking to one another, and paralleling that to living on Mars, the one factor you neglect to acknowledge is that on Mars if you don't work together, YOU DIE ! That is incentive enough for most people to be socially cordial, don't you think? Plus, this endeavor would have absolutely no room for primadonnas. Not when peoples lives hang in the balance. Taking all this into account, maybe thought should be given to a non civilian mission and use the structure, rank, compliance to orders, chain of command, discipline etc. of the military. Remember, most of our astronauts were military pilots, the mindset is there.......follow orders, complete the mission, overcome, adapt, failure is not an option. And these are some of the most skilled, educated and brightest in their given fields. This may be our best chance of success if we choose to do this. But hey, what do I know, all I have to work with is lots of common sense and logic, something no one in any Govt agency has displayed in my lifetime.
Haven't you read Douglas Adams ? They'll send those guys from advertising and maybe PR ...
@@bobgarr6246 Of course: make it a military mission. Because all you need to succeed is disciplin and to follow orders. A perfect solution. Btw under no cicumstances accept femal astronauts weighing more than 50 kg. Maybe they could violate the weight restrictions?
Flinging Matt Damon away from Earth and into deep space is a fantastic idea.
I remember when Pauly Shore & Stephen Baldwin were part of the biosphere project 😄
Bingo! Ive being saying this for, well as long as they have been saying they want to go to Mars. “What on Mars were you thinking!?” 😂
8:31 Correction. Curiosity’s wheels were broken by very sharp stones not dust.
Incorrect, the sand is sharp and when the wind picks up the sand it can slowly eat away the wheels
I thought it was the sharp rocks as well.
I came to the comments to see if anyone else noticed he was wrong about that
@@fluffyx2976 -- Well, to play Devil's advocate, sand IS really small stones. So, perhaps you are both right.
@@frek_unknown3091 good for you
On Mars, they'd have no choices. No intervention. Plus, I'd prefer underground bases compared to a sealed tent.
an underground base would still need to be air tight, and it would would be much harder to build.
even a short mission in mars is i think impossible we dont have the technology.
Earth is nice....I like Earth. Let's just take care of Earth.
So the biosphere ended with difficulty. Should experiments always work first time?
That's not the issue. Nobody is saying experiments should never fail. Instead the presenter is saying that before you spend billions of dollars on something like a Mars mission, you'ld like to at least show it has a chance of working.
The only thing worse than wasting billions of dollars on a manned Mars mission is wasting that money on a failed mission where everybody dies before they can do all the experiments and collect all the samples you were banking on.
Look at SpaceX - each time they blow up a rocket, they inch closer to bankruptcy. And those are unmanned expendable rockets. No organization can withstand unlimited losses. They need a certain number of successes to pay for the losses.
The biosphere experiment wasn't a huge risk. When things went wrong, they could break the rules and pump in more air or whatever. After the experiment ended, the University of Arizona continued to do experiments with the facility. But with a Mars mission, if it fails you just threw away a lot of money. You won't be able to salvage anything. In the meantime, you could have spent the same money on a vast number of other things with far higher probability of showing a return. For example, you could spend the same money to educate Americans, so we stop being the stupidest developed country on the planet where 50% of people think evolution is a hoax and Noah's Ark is real.
" Should experiments always work first time?"
No, they should work _at least one time_ before attempting to replicate them on a different planet, where not working equals everyone dying.
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I dont think its a useful experiment. The people going on there will know that they are still on Earth and that this is a test. They can't 'not' know that. Its a type of bias and people will probably behave differently when traveling to mars that is space, where they would not have any other choice but to accept the situation.
Just six questions:
Would you be on the first march to europe leaving africa?
Would you be on the first ship to america?
Would you be on the first ship to the north pole?
Would you be on the first flight across the sea?
Would you be on the first rocket to space?
Would you be on the first flight to the moon?
Hell no... but some other dudes were.
no women, thats true. Or is it. Yeah. Or is it. No, yeah, its true. Dudes man, they are the bros I speak of.
He wasn't saying its a bad idea or no one wants to do it or no one will enjoy it. He is saying be real about how uncomfortable it will be. Its a good point and worth making
man, no one got no interest in the north pole, even though it is far far easier to get to than mars. No one has any interest in being there. No one got no interest in being on the moon. A few bros went there and then we were all like. Um, yeah, it aint worth much. No one wants to go to mars bro dude man.
two types of "bro's": those on the ships of exploration, and those on the dock waving goodbye. If we all stayed safely and "comfortable" (really, in the 15th century?) "on the dock", throughout all of history, we'd still be banging rocks together, and running from saber-toothed cats! Mar is simply our "next step", as he said!
yes and there would be weman too
Excellent video. We got to sort ourselves out before going to Mars.
I always look forward to your videos
You also missed that there were rumors that they were also sneaking out at night to go to nightclubs
Lool
I don't even like leaving my house. Great vid!
Hey Joe, why does my dog have to lock eyes with me when she poo's
Hi Joe Scott, I recently became a fan and I just subscribed ! Could you make a video about peoples biggest fears ? And what is your biggest fear ? Mine is pain.
Hold on... the biosphere 2 project was designed by an eccentric billionaire and the people inside of it were not scientists but actors. I live an hour from it and the tour details all of this. We can learn from those mistakes and create a colony that is self sustained.
Exactly. Fix the problems and try again. That's what science is all about.
Good thing our current efforts to go to Mars aren't lead by an eccentric billionaire... ;D
I literally never heard of this project, we should repeat it with all the worlds bad policticians.
Great idea! Who's gonna decide who's a bad politician?
One of a few comments that makes sense
Ali G: Can we land on the sun in the winter, when the sun is cold?
Buzz Aldrin: The sun is not cold in the winter...
People have a hard time surviving on the show Alone for 80 days. 4 year round trip to Mars will require exceptional fortitude.
The speech at the end was so inspiriting I went back to college and with my degree made my first million within the first year. I am currently traveling the world to end hunger. Does anyone know the title to the music?
Since when "SAFE" prevented us people from acting in our true nature of being a species that are discovering new horizons and "conquering" new boundaries?
Well, our nature has both programs: we have flight, we have also fight (or explore). And, it makes total sense to not go there until ready.
We know what we might confront, it's not impossible, but, it's gonna take a lot of genius and creativity, a lot of resources to survive there.
Not everyone goes into Alaska or the desert because survival there is hard, so, going in something that is desert by day and Alaska by night with wind, scarcity and no one close to call for help at 2 less than 2 years from there if every system works fine at any critical time...
Humans need a lot more training to go there, including growing crops, recycling, using wind energy, because there is plenty on Mars, getting water, and all of it in desertic Alaskan conditions. Not impossible, but an enormous challenge. Most mistakes have to be made on Earth before going there.
Yeah, I can't help but think this guy's ancestor were talking mess when man started to perfect sailing.
Are you supposed to be Kirk or Spock?
Amen. Before we ask "Can We?" we should ask "Should We?".
Are we even fit (as a species) to ask a question like that objectively?
I really doubt it personally!
Steps have to be taken to make progress, it's as simple as that, I'd be in that first ship in a heartbeat and I have a great life and family here I'd be giving up for it, it's in our nature to explore I hope we end up spreading across the whole galaxy like a plague 😂
Exactly! "Can we" is almost always, yes. "Should we" is seldom, yes.
I'd better ask "do we want it"? As intelligent beings (well, sometimes...) we pursue knowledge and -we are curious. And we are explorers. Yes, of course we do want it. Justin is right: we wouldn't ever be able to exchange our opinions here on the net otherwise.
And, BTW, if one's a belever, he/she should think "maybe we MUST do it". What would be all the outstanding capabilities we have been given for, otherwise? The refusal to use them could be regarded as blasphemous.
@@johnshilling2221 Thank you for your kind remark. BTW, the quote is not original; I stole it from the movie Jurassic Park after the SHTF.
Great video! The world needs a lot more critical thought on the cost/benefit of manned space flight. Just send robots. Spend 1/10, send 10x as many missions that last 10x as long. Done
A wise man once said...
" Humans are better Robots, Than Robots"
@@kennethmayor3596 sounds like the Soviet approach to clearing radioactive rubble off the roof of Chernobyl in 1986.-
"Sir, the radioactivity is breaking down the robots."
-Then send in human robots
Me before the video: Can't wait for humans to step on Mars in the relatively near future!
Me after the video: The astronauts are totally going to die.
Space stations,a Moon base, are imperative to begin Space exploration including a colony on Mars.
Agreed. We should have already had a moon base by now and have started a moon colony.
Begin? The end will never be overcome. Nobody seems to have an idea how big the universe is. If somebody will prove that einstein was wrong and were can travel a million times the speed of light, we will begin exploring the universe.
@@GianniBarberi ?? I really think that's not the case. I'm extremely confident that the speed of light is the limit on how fast anything can travel. If the speed of light was not the absolute limit on speed so many things that are proven sound scientific laws would have to be changed. Now you can say wormholes or portals could do that but that's way far beyond our current means of technology. Even if there wasnt a speed limit in the universe where would we get all the energy to speed up and eventually slow back down said spacecraft. By all means if its proven that einstein was fundamentally incorrect with his theory I would change my mind but once again I highly doubt that
waysideme warp speed can travel faster than light. NASA are serious on this as well.
I do think we should start on Luna first. At least help and supplies would be nearby, thus Luna would make a great set of training wheels for space colonization.
I hate people that hate progress.
they've always been with us, but no one remembers there names do they? Remember the guy's name who told Thomas Edison: "You're nuts, go climb back up your tree"!!
Pwnstar ITS NOT PROGRESS,ITS A STUPID IDEA
I hate people that aren't critical thinkers.
Don't blame them. Their ancestors should never have left their caves.
I hate people that put blind pride into humanity's "progress" over scientific facts.
To quote: "I will not be on that first ship" ...and neither will I. You can also be sure Musk won't be on it either, although I wish he would be. Anyone who wants to go to Mars should spend a few months at the South Pole in some tiny little box. That would be a far nicer experience than they'd ever have on Mars. The whole notion is so silly and such an horrific waste of energy. Heck, most people aren't even happy on this planet. Thanks for coming out with this. I wish more people would watch it.
First video I watched. Dude, you are awesome!
Building a base on moon is better to start off with
Agreed, it would give us a veritable sandbox of opportunity to develop what we may use on planets like Mars and it would give us a point to launch from that doesn't require us using ~60-70% of our craft just to get off of our own planet. Either way I think going to Venus is a better idea, it is nearly the same size as Earth and has an almost identical composition. Not to mention that we can terraform the planet with current technology by releasing a variety of Hydrogen into the atmosphere (the exact type escapes me atm) which would convert the toxic clouds in the atmosphere into water vapor and graphite.
@@yungasbestos9626 actually they've already grown plants in the ISS and eaten them too so low gravity isn't really an issue.
@@ender_slayer3 I had no idea we could tereform venus
@@dylangoddard7449 And it isn't even that complicated either, If I recall correctly the type of hydrogen that is required we could "mine" from Jupiter. But that in it of itself is a great feat of space exploration. After that we should go to Mercury and start to disassemble it to make a Dyson-Swarm (see Kurzgesagt on Dyson Spheres).
ender_slayer3 If I remember correctly, Venus is basically one giant hot volcano. Good luck sending any type of equipment there to last more than a few hours...
" they looked like they worked in a coal mine " . Those moon dust covered astronaut photos are hard to come by. Wish they'd show more. It was played down by NASA. They must have inhaled the dust back on the Lander.
Actually some of the lunar astronauts spoke on the moons regolith and they said it did infiltrate the lander and the suits. It is as sharp as broken glass.
Many of the moonwalking astronauts reported having their nasal passages immediately swell up when moon dust was inhaled in the LL and experienced hay fever-like symptoms.
Some of the astronauts even stated that the moon dust smell like gunpowder
I don't believe we have ever got out of our orbit do to the radiation belt. Prove me wrong because we have not gone back to the moon do to lost telemetry data if you believe we did go to the moon.
@@patrickodonnell9388 There's lots of things you don't believe that I'm sure any 6 year old would have no trouble comprehending, unless they were your kids. Google it .. the answers are there and you know it. You're just another troll looking to flame ...
ohhhh this is 6 years ago I was like "didn't they find microbes on titan or something?"
Thanks for your gutsy honesty. That was great.
He named only five. No matter how times I've gone camping, it's not uncommon for something new that I never thought of crops up. Usually it's minor and you can get by, but on Mars, like this video says, it's those little matters that are gonna get you.
@JaysonSR How about before we killed most of the large predators that occupied the various ecosystems? Naked and without tools we would definitely not be an apex predator. Of course given time we could form fire hardened spears and eventually stone tools - given time. Even today populations at the equator are ravaged by parasites and diseases.
Mr. New, how many times did one of your camping party die while camping?
And if things go horribly wrong, I would pack up the tent and go home. Should we go to mars? Probably not, but how can we not say, cool, let's go. The big thing is the gravity, we have to figure out how to create it for the trip.
One missing washer and an airliner with 500+ aboard crashes into flaming piles of junk. One - instead of a + and a hundred$ of million$ rocket and satellite dives into the ocean and explodes. All equipment of the Mars mission will have to be 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% reliable or we won't know they are done for until they're all dead.
the little things are the ones that will get you dead before you have a chance to say "what was tha...."
Personally, I think drilling into rock to build shelter is the best safest cheapest in maintenance way to build something of a base on Mars or the Moon for that matter.
Living underground is the best protection and all seasons are the same
yeah but then you need to transport heavy equipment on a spaceship where every ounce matters
And how do to get said drilling equipment there? Shit ain't exactly light you know...
Agree.
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Shooting humans into space was also seen as a "terrible idea" yet it's led to the advancement of humanity in multiple areas, humanity should push itself to the absolute limit despite whatever "bad ideas" people like to throw out, only when man accomplished the impossible do we truly make progress.
The space program gave us Corningware. You could probably say war gave us more advancements. I dont think we should seek war as an acomplishment.
@@jeil5676 war is gods way of teaching americans geography.
If you believe Nasa ever sent anyone further than from Cape Conniveral directly into the ocean...
They just wait a couple of weeks before the release the last part of the footage.
Everything in between has pretty much been proven fake.
@@Pharesm Yup, and the chemtrails are what is keeping us all from seeing the truth. OPEN YOUR EYES SHEEPLE
@Richard Varriano You are hyperventilating!
You used "crazy", "stupid" and "dumb" in one sentence. Do you realize these words are not arguments?
"It was proven to be..." isn't an argument either unless it links to the claimed proof.
And I was merely saying "if you believe" which you are free to believe or not believe anything you want or like. Be happy and don't defend opinions you got from television, for they are not your's.
Check out John Carpenter's movie "They Live". (nothing to do with Nasa, but great flick...)
Seems to me your first 4 reasons which make going to Mars a terrible idea are the same reasons which made going to the Moon a terrible idea in the 60s. When has a terrible idea ever stopped Humanity?
ajtrvll Is humanity on the Moon now? I don't think so.
Krisztián Povázson no because there's nothing on it not even a atmosphere or a decent gravity field.
Setting up a base on the moon first makes more sense than going to mars...all these unknowns, and we're going to do it from a distance so far that sending help is pretty much useless? The moon is literally right there, we could learn a lot about how to deal with a number of these issues from a distance that is not quite such a death sentence to those going.
the moon is completely different, for example there is no oxygen
Theres not enough to breathe on mars either.
As someone who wants us to go to Mars it's good to understand the challenges and listen to these facts.
Strange, it was never mentioned before, about all the dust getting inside from the Moon!