Rugby's Most Controversial Refereeing Decisions! #3
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very few of these are controversial. the wales quick lineout one was, the new zealand try was. the rest were pretty spot on
clickbait....
for my, the NZ try was not controversial, the french player feels that they are in a bad situation, he navigates between 9 and 10, he is alone to defend (scrum turned) and the 15 is not there. The french 9 throw himself on the referee in an attempt to get something out of this situation
The ref that blocked the french player from making that tackle was too proud to admit he was wrong
Terrible, should have reset scrum
He was correct and I'm not even a New Zealander. Is it controversial yes but is it wrong? No. If a ref prevents the ball carrier from playing, it is a scrum. But it says nothing about the tackler.
Also the pass was forward anyway.
@Abidi Obaid He's absolutely right mate. There's not law surrounding the ref interfering with the tackler, only the ball and ball-carrier (6.10, 6.11) or the ball (6.12). That was a try.
@@kstringer24
It is just a forward pass !
1:43 that's definitely foul play a shoulder to the head defainly a red card to me nothing wrong with that decision.
Agreed. Same with the red card for the Leicester player in the clip directly after.
I was also asking myself how that one would be controversial.
Agree with some of these, player safety is paramount
The sign saying "Cockwomble" :)
1:37 and 2:15 Correct desision
2:31 You should always play to the whistle
The reffing in the New Zealand v France series was absolutely atrocious in all three games. Ruined any sort of competition between the sides.
He’s a really bad ref.
Yes if it a half decent referee it be at least 2 / 1 in favour of France 🇫🇷
All the red cards for foul play to the head were correct calls. Probably were controversial only a few years ago but we all know now no excuse for shots to the head. Should have been a law refs were instructed to follow through with decades ago, penalties would have improved rugby safety and standards ahead of other sports. It's staggering that punch ups even when rugby became professional excited the commentators more than the sport. Remember a certain SA coach responding to alleged eye gouge saying that 'it's not ballet'!!
haha Justin Marshall "oh my god!"
The ref needs to be penalised for the first one, and the all blacks should have gotten either a penalty or a scrum?
They need to give the tv ref absolute jurisdiction over any call on field. He needs to interject when he wants to and to override the ref as and when he needs to. Like a judge. The ref is only there for the minor calls. Every tru and penalty needs to be okayed by the man upstairs.
There's strangely nothing in the rules to do with this situations, so i think the laws need to be updated for this
Totally. Should have been a reset scrum.
@@ItzCoopzFtw yep
rtd Pretty sure???...Nope no such law exists.Only mention in the laws 6.10 are if the ball or ball carrier touches the referee and gains an advantage. That all said common sense should have been used. The defending player was stupid enough to keep running into the ref so both are at fault.
This video is nearly three years old, and we are still seeing red cards for shoulders to the head, and no attempt to bind. How long do players need to adapt, and what responsibility do coaches have for not coaching this behaviour out of the game, behaviour that they have encouraged?
I'm an amateur player and referee in RL. Maybe not the best person to throw my two cents in, and I'm from the other code, but I am anyway.
1) Referee monitoring scrum in a seemingly standard position, and moves back, appears normal. FRA player is blocked as the referee moves, should know. Does interfere with play, so should be restarted due to referee interference.
2 + 3) Shoulder direct to head, red card. No question.
4) Apparent knock on that was missed. Incorrect call on field, but not everything is caught.
5) Blue makes a move towards Red, and red falls holding face. Can't see contact as angle gives an insufficient view, but red's dive seems reminiscent of a football dive. Personally wouldn't give a card from shown evidence.
6) Open palm, glancing blow to the face by Black on Red. Yellow card.
7) Clearly incorrect call, well done to the BBC commentator for knowing the law, and the live feed producer for showing it on screen.
How are most of these controversial?
The first was a shocking decision
Allowing the Welsh try wasn't Controversial, it was ABYSMAL!
As an Irish man, I remember Andrew Small (the touch judge) and George Caplin on that hurrendous decision. Oddly enough only one ever made it to another game as a ref with Ireland playing and then no one has heard from them since.
Scryptyc well nobody would have heard of either of those. As the touch judge was Peter Allan and the referee was Jonathan Kaplan.
Another win for the Irish stereotype 😂😂😂 In fairness it was lame. 'I don't know' or 'I didn't see' are perfectly acceptable answers. Why some people just spray and pray with their words I never know.
What's controversial about a red for a shoulder charge to the head? The guy was over 6ft and did it to hurt...
Why is Nigel the thumbnail? He's by far the greatest referee to have graced the pitch
@Tim Loves Bacon good one 🤣🤣
True, but even he made errors in his carreer... whether they are controversial or not I cannot tell, as I am not that much into rugby, even though I like watching the sport every now and then and admire the respect between the players and against the officials...
Good content man!!!!!
Great video mate!
3rd one is defo red
New sub!
Nice video keep it up with the goodwork.
No Joubert decision against Scotland....
“But he’s 6 7”
Dear Brumbies....first rule of rugby..Always play to the whistle
on balance, i'm ok with all of these - not to the letter but reasonable
Controversy make good drama
I love how Justin Marshall is unbiased
In the first clip, is the number 9 not offside by a mile?
Not even close to being offside. About 4 metres behind the offside line if you're TJ Perenara.
All blacks & a bent ref. 16 players on the pitch?
And it doesn't even show the assault by Umaga and Mealamu on O'Driscoll, that ended his tour. Five star hotel all expenses paid, and a flight out of the country that evening for the referee.
I think that the two high shoulder reds are correct. The arm is clearly going up.
Kiwi commentators are the most objective in international rugby
3:04 what is this, football?
Why the needless comparison with football?
When referees don't obey the laws, how's that for example
Nigel Owens in the thumbnail for clickbait but no Nigel in the clips. The man doesn't make mistakes.
Really ain't that deep lad, and after all, after he refereed the World Cup final his dad rang him and laid into him for missing a forward pass, so he clearly does make mistakes.
In fair to John Lacey he had nowhere to go. Don't know if Serin was creating the situation though.
What about the Lions last tour of nz alot of bs calls there namely referee romaine poite reverse decision over ruling an offside play
Agreed, the importance of the match makes for stronger controversy, especially in a decisive moment. Same as 2015 RWC Scotland v Australia quarter final match.
Check the other videos , it’s in the there I believe. Although I would disagree with a lot of BS calls. Williams 100% a red card. Agree with you on Poite though, that should of been a penalty.
Gut reaction from Poite was that it was offsides and then he reverses his decision when he sees it on the big screen - any of you ever wonder why that would be if he didn't think he had gotten it wrong? Williams was being lifted by Stander and had Read jumped into him with zero chance of getting the ball (paraphrasing Jonathon Kaplan's assessment here); Williams landed on his face and was down injured but no one thinks to look at Read's actions? It should have been a penalty against Read and possibly a card, but the crowd would have crucified Poite had he done that, so he downsized it to an AB scrum. The BI Lions were robbed there, not the All Blacks.
But if you want to have a look at Poite controversy, feel free to look at the time he carded Bismark du Plessis for a high no arms tackle on Dan Carter hahahaha.
Karma have to disagree on read. Definitely had a chance of getting the ball. His hand was only a couple of inches from getting to the ball. He checked and all agreed it was a fair contest. If pointe changed his mind on that it’s very weak.
Ross H I don't want to come across as argumentative, but that is such a standard and nonsensical response to the situation, especially for an All Black supporter (no accusation or assumption intended). The entire argument revolves around an alleged mistake made by the official, so it makes no sense to rely on their ruling that the contact was fair. As I mentioned in my comment, I was paraphrasing the words of Jonathon Kaplan, arguably one of the best referees of the professional era, in his article in The Telegraph. In his opinion, Read should have been penalised.
Do one for football
Is the Wasps Leicester red really that controversial? Wasps player is maybe a bit low but would argue it isn't quite enough to be a mitigating factor
How is there anything wrong with the decision at 1:43?
Not sure. Maybe Scott Barrett wrote the script for the video?
Unbelievable
Warburton vs France didn't make the list?
Absolute proof, if ever it were needed, that Referees are human and make mistakes.
Most Rugby platers understand what the Game and what Sport means.
*Far far far far too many mistakes to even remotely professional.
This is the 3rd 4 minute compilation of referee blunders, and that’s still being extremely generous. Each of the 3 videos could easily be 20 minutes long, and it wouldn’t take that much research.
Do referees watch this video just to prove people wrong and boost there ego
A genuine question
We watch for the same reasons others do. Remember virtually all referees are ex players, we arent an alien breed shipped in from another planet! And as for ego boost, if you want that dont go to refereeing, where you challenge yourself and question yourself all the time, as well as getting similar "encouragement" from some players and spectators. We referee because we love the game, we want to stay involved, and hopefully give players a better and safer experience of playing than we had.
3:03 not a wrong decision but that was a disgraceful dive
Yeah, it should have been another yellow for flopping.
So what happened in the first one?. A player was blocked by the ref because the ref thought he was trying to get an illegal tackle in?.
@WaveForceful No, the ref got in the french players way (I presume accidentally) which meant that the french guy was not able to tackle the new Zealand guy. The controversy was that the ref still allowed the try. If the ref was not there, there would be no illegal tackle.
@@oldy1740 Oh I see, thanks for replying.
funny how these red cards for shoulder head contact are obsolete now considering the new crackdown
the one in the reds game is completely the correct decision
The last video. If they take it from the mark the throwing team doesn't have to wait. It is not considered a quick throw
Wasn’t the same ball, can’t give the try
I believe the rule indicates a quick line out is between the mark and throwing teams goal line. If the throwing team takes line out from the mark, they don't need to wait for the defending team to be ready. The touched by others or different ball rule only applies to a quick line out. I believe any way.
@@Ststeve73 Well even then if it’s classed as a regular lineout, then the throw wasn’t straight.
If it wasn't straight I agree. But the ref asked touch if it was the same ball. Definitely a concern perhaps should have used video replay
@@Ststeve73 I think the year this was played the TMO didn’t have the power to rule on that
The last one shouldn't have counted even if it was the same ball - you can't take a quick line-out if someone else has touched the ball, no?
Yep, but the assistant for some reason believed it was the same ball and it hadn’t been touched by anyone other than the hooker, baffling decision!
alot of these i dont understand
a few of these i do understand and seems fair
Would it have made a difference !,
I don't get how most of these are controversial. Elbow to the head has to be a straight red
Higginbotham one was direct to head and then grabbed his neck to pull him to the ground. Doubling down there to be sure!!!
John Lacey is and has always been a terrible referee, he shouldn't be anywhere near this level.
He refereed Australia vs Argentina last Saturday
I like Lacey's style - gets a good game
Perhaps...
lacey is the second best ref behind nigel owens
@@classicstorytime6715 Then the gulf between Lacey and Owens must be massive
2:14 what the actual fuck lol. He didn't even knock him over. I thought they were going to give him a yellow and even then that was a bit harsh but a red?
4:25 gives me ptsd to this day
I'm guessing by your username your irish... As an england fan I'm obliged to dislike Wales but even so how on earth did they allow that!
Jogle yeah I am irish and yeah dunno how it’s allowed 😂
0:12 With says "Cockwomble". Tee hee
A player could fucking murder someone on the pitch and it’d be considered “controversial”
what about Bryce lawrence against Springboks !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Write it down chaps, Jonathan Davies admitting that the Welsg were in the wrong. Date and time, it is a rare experience
Turn on captions at 3:55
Sorry I meant 3:50
Aaaaah now we know why he said yes...
2.30 Hey look! It's Irishman C.J Stander in the Bulls team lol
Yup. Heyneke Meyer thought he was too small to be a Springbok. #facepalm Most SA supporters will regale you with stories about how unfair the political interference is blah blah, yet the truth is that the worst enemy of our team is stupidity and pigheadedness.
Funny thing for a New Zealander to say in a year when so many of his countrymen will end up up playing in France or England.
That last one pissed me off so much as I’m an Ireland fan and it’s just fucking annoying
Sorry Andrew, but not really seeing these as the 'most Debatable and confusing decisions'. New Zealand try, the knock-on that wasn't and the very clear error in awarding the Wales try at the end are definitely debatable and confusing, but the rest just look like the referee doing his job according to the laws of the game. And what's the deal with using Nigel in the thumbnail when he's not part of this video, seems a bit insulting to him tbh?
come and watch Sri Lankan referee's if you really want to see bad decisions
Absolutely nothing controversial about the second and third clips. Both clear red cards
Why were any of the cards given controversial? They were deserved cards. As for the ref video and the welsh try, shocking decisions
With the new protocols re TMO what will happen this shit?
The third clip shouldn't have been a card, it's slightly late, committed and legal height, penalty and nothing more
Jack Murray totally illegal height, shoulder directly to head with force in new lawbook ref is required to red that
“Legal height” maybe if the ball carrier was 8ft tall
Rugby is becoming a joke
Viliame Kaitani are you a league person or a soccer player
@@sm0636 I attended an all boys school in NZ. Played First XV Rugby in my highschool years and played in a few rep teams. Never played league in my life although im a big fan. Played other sports which i was pretty good at such as; volleyball, touch and cricket. For your information i hated soccer personally i think its a sport for soft fallas. Whats the point behind your question? 🤔
Well league people think that rugby isn’t a good sport. And people who like soccer are idiots so I was seeing if you were an idiot
Yes protecting players health and the future of the game is a terrible thing to be doing.
@@sm0636 what people thinks rugby is a bad sport? They are a very similar sport. It sounds to me like you associate yourself with a bunch of no rugby people. Whos the real idiot? Only difference really is Rugby has become a joke with its silly rules.
Lacey is a fool
John Lacey has consistently been the worst referee over the last 10 years. JP Doyle isn't far behind him.
The card offences were spot on. The dropped ball is kinda 50-50 but that's on the players, you've got to know at that level to play to the whistle. The ref getting in the Baptsiste Serin's way against the Abs really swung the result of that game. And the Welsh quick throw was a big mistake too.
I wouldn’t sack John Lacey I would sack the person who deemed him a professional referee.
I completely agree with you - but Lacey has to go!
i will admit it is i am a leicester fan and i always have been. however if a player is going downwards there is nothing you can do. if the player gets injured fair enough maybe a yellow. if there is intent to hurt someone yes it must be punished but spencer did a brilliant tackle and got sent off because the player decided to pass a split second earlyer
battlevgaming one there is something he can. He can tackle him lower like we were all first taught to do. Secondly, intent doesn’t come into it, if you tip tackle someone and break their neck does that mean no red card if you didn’t mean it? No the laws are there for players to adapt and tackle differently as a result. Spencer failed to do this, red is the outcome. If he had aimed for the hips then he wouldn’t have caught the head at all.
Ross H it is hard for a 6 foot 8 player to get low in a split second. what is he meant to do let him go?
I didn’t see the player going down 😂
battlevgaming no he aims to tackle low in the first place. Devon toner is 6’10 and manages to tackle low, if he can then a man 3 inches shorter certainly can.
You can't bring intent into rules like this. Football has done it with the handball, and it leaves far too many grey areas that become referee's discretion. That's when officials start dictating games. In Ice Hockey the only real rule that focuses on intent is the "Intent to Injure" rule, and that is only ever enforced in black and white situations (such as a goaltender punching another player with their blocker still on). Every other rule is "I know it wasn't intentional, but too bad you still did it".
The fist is a fucking steal ( by a French supporter) sorry for my English
Welsh bugger
Nz always get the 50/50 call
like they did in the 2017 Lions series? How about the 1995 RWC final? Cardiff,2007?
Wrong,dickhead.
Wrong on both counts,.The frogs should have been pinged off the park in 2007 - Barnes wasn't going to ping them so they sat off side and cheated at every breakdown,In a funny way,you are right about 2011,the try France scored came from blatant offside play - no try.And they should also playing with 14 men after that grub Rougerie eye gouged McCaw.
But,I don't hear you complain,dickhead.
@@richardscanlan3167 they didn't even deserve to be in 2011 Final..
We smashed them earlier and didn't Tonga beat them? Lol
Richard Scanlan Wales got robbed by the ref against France in semifinals world cup 2011. Should of been New Zealand vs Wales finals.
What is controversial about a punch to the face being a red card?
There are no controversial decisions in rugby,the officials decide.Once they have decided it is history ,right or wrong you play on.You may have your captain ask why I have come to this decision but not my decision.You will concede 10m if you continue and cards maybe issued.
I understand the game is now proffessional and therefore needs to appeal to an audiance however we don’t want to see asociation football style vulgarity.Rugby League has avoided this for the most part so don’t let Rugby union be the one that falls into the mess that soccer is.Most rugby players have played games in the mud and sleet where the ball rarely got to the centres nevermind the wingers.Keep the game for the players not the casual viewer
This last one wasn't so much a poor refereeing decision so much as CLEAR, UNEQUIVOCAL WELSH CHEATING!!!?
What else would you expect from the Welsh?
2nd clip is fine. Its reckless, red card..
Andrew here likes getting shouldered in the head apparently
Typical Aussies, ref doesn't blow the whistle and yells "backwards play" like 50 times and they want to recall the try. Btw, none of these were remotely controversial except the NZ/ France one, which wasn't "controversial", but wrong.
Vcc
I agree with the ref on NZ-FRA. Why? The scrum half made no attempt to get around the ref! Watch it again, the scrum half deliberately keeps running into the referee. That's why (IMHO) the try was given, M
I understand what you mean. BUT if he goes round isn't he going to be automatically late. He should be able to stay freely between and either going towards 9 or 10. Defender should have this freedom, which was prevented by the ref. TMO tries to give a last chance for John Lacey to change his emotional decision, BTW so quickly taken. Why?
Of course not objective because I'm French, but I'm sure you can hear the argument. I'm sure they talked about it in the changing rooms. Like Forwards ref should never be between 9 and 10!
@@stephanebertoncini IF he had tried to go round THEN John Lacy would have changed the decision. This was a football (soccer) "dive". I live in NZ. So, to be objective, I ask myself the question "Would I accept the same referee decision if the teams were switched?" The answer is "Yes", M
That's exactly it. If he only begins to go round, he will be late. And then the player is considered too late although the change in the running line is due to the ref. If the referee interferes which is the case here (even if Serin had gone round) you restart with a scrum. Especially in the 22 you should expect 9 and 10 to already win meters while defense is 5m behind the scrum.
@@stephanebertoncini The referee did not interfere with the player. The player interfered with the referee!
I kind of see what you mean. It surely looked like he just kept running into the ref. The reason why I would have reset the scrum is that the ref was stepping into his way when he was backing away from the scrum and the player wasn't able to go anywhere without taking a long way around him.
So no one is gonna comment on the CockWomble sign at 0:11 ? Just me?
We didn't have to because we all knew you were going to mention it 😉
Nothing controversial about those red cards, stupid tackles that weren’t legal 20 years ago even
Nothing controversial about those reds
Honestly this video is pretty bull, most of these were fine
Bit of a clickbait vid as the majority of decisions were correct. Ref interference was terrible and the touch call was beyond the pale. Other than that pretty good job by the refs.
Y you think these head shots are fucking bad calls dirty football that.
He was pushing the ref instead of going around him he knew what he was doing!
I'm not taking anything away from Rugby but, American football is much more brutal.
Is that supposed to be a good thing the game is supposed to be about skill
Brutal? You guys have so many breaks in the game it's painful to watch. America has so much talent but such slim pickings for their Union teams, why? Scared.
@@Scunsun The way I see it the brutality of Rugby is less severe and more controlled because they don't wear protective gear. American football the brutality is also more controlled but more severe especially with the concussion epidemic that NFL doesn't like to talk about.
@@MackeyDeez mate, one-eye'd much? Do some research.
WTF is the reasoning behind that crap background music ???????????????????????
Cheats
The first one was awful. No try.
I don't get the title. There are two wrong decisions (the first and the last) and the rest is correct. Why controversial?
Totally agree. How are we suppose to have a debate now ?
I know this is a bit late but I’ll through my twopenneth in anyway. The last Wales try is perfectly correct. The commentators remarks are misplaced due to a misunderstanding of the Laws. A “quick” line out is one taken from a point between the touch judges mark and the goal line of the team throwing in. This line out was taken from the correct place and it was thrown straight. Therefore is it not a quick line our but a conventional line out. There is no requirement to wait for the opposition to get ready if the throw is from the correct place. Otherwise a team who have just lost the line out could claim they weren’t ready.
Fortunately the referee and touch judge who know the Laws were in charge not commentators who don’t.
I have even heard complaints about a quick line out because you can’t take a quick line out if the line out is formed (2 from each team) the ball is thrown in at the correct place to a formed line out and the complaint is made that it can’t be a quick line out as the line out is formed. A throw in at the Correct place to a formed line out is a line out.
Nicholas White : Law 18.5. - A quick throw is disallowed and a lineout is awarded to the same team if:
a. A lineout had already been formed; or
b. The ball had been touched after it went into touch by anyone other than the player throwing in or the player who carried the ball into touch; or
c. A different ball is used from the one that originally went into touch.
Didn’t use the same ball, no try
These aren’t that controversial but look like good refereeing
number one scrum france all day .