13:28 Another thing worth mentioning regarding Broly and damage is that in DBFZ, moves that have invincibility or armor will usually have harsher combo scaling. As a result, Broly having armor on all of his normals creates a MAJOR weakness with his damage output. He only has a single move that can achieve full damage scaling (second hit of his light autocombo), and as a result he gets much less damage off of interactions than other characters do. What's not great for Broly is that nowadays we have moves like Jiren's tackle which has actual invincibility (instead of just armor), and that have full combo scaling (for some reason???). As a result, he's been the victim of a lot of powercreep, and his low damage is a big reason for that.
Yeah, its funny though that both brolys were doing fantastic before 21 released, and even then they havent been significantly nerfed at all, just EVERYBODY has been buffed, i mean, i think most Z Broly players swapped him out for Tien when 21 released because his armor was buffed an insane amount that patch? Might be the patch after her, im not sure. But people started calling Tien Mini-Broly and Bald Broly after his buffs. I hope Sparking blast doing so insanely well means we might see FighterZ 2 someday.
Shh!! Spoilers for future vids... If i had to give an answer without making the video irrelevant, i think projectile based leans high tier and practical while normals based is low and theoretical, few games do normal based zoning right, and its weaknesses are way harsher than projectiles damage restrictions, but, ill get into that when its zoner month and i go over the various types. Havent decided if its gonna be just those two or if ill divide them up further, i never really know till the scripts are in front of me.
Most likely, that would be joke characters. But if we're not counting those, maybe normals based zoner might be worse than grappler, ill think about that stuff a lot in the lead to those videos getting written, but there are tons of games where grapplers are amazing, i dont think theyre inherently weak, they just often get gimped into being low tier by the devs on purpose, but in places like KOF, Tekken, even street fighter right now, grapplers are great, and i believe before last patch potemkin was doing really well with his new moves too. Just got outshone by goldlewis at the time.
@@DarumaFGC joke characters should be included in my opinion, is a really well recognized archetype by pretty much the whole fgc. Also sucks for the normal based zoner, their cousins the projectile zoners are superior (specially the monster ones in NRS games) and i guess they'll be the strongest archetype in the middle of theory and practical, above midrange.
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13:28 Another thing worth mentioning regarding Broly and damage is that in DBFZ, moves that have invincibility or armor will usually have harsher combo scaling.
As a result, Broly having armor on all of his normals creates a MAJOR weakness with his damage output. He only has a single move that can achieve full damage scaling (second hit of his light autocombo), and as a result he gets much less damage off of interactions than other characters do.
What's not great for Broly is that nowadays we have moves like Jiren's tackle which has actual invincibility (instead of just armor), and that have full combo scaling (for some reason???). As a result, he's been the victim of a lot of powercreep, and his low damage is a big reason for that.
Yeah, its funny though that both brolys were doing fantastic before 21 released, and even then they havent been significantly nerfed at all, just EVERYBODY has been buffed, i mean, i think most Z Broly players swapped him out for Tien when 21 released because his armor was buffed an insane amount that patch? Might be the patch after her, im not sure. But people started calling Tien Mini-Broly and Bald Broly after his buffs. I hope Sparking blast doing so insanely well means we might see FighterZ 2 someday.
He never fell off, he rose up
Much appreciated! Doing my best to grow!
You should make a video on 3D archetypes. Evasive, parry, grappler, mixup, etc.
I'v been waiting this so much!!!
Glad i could do it in a way you found satisfying! Took me a while to decide to do the two-axis tier list instead of the single S to F tier one
Great Stuff!
Thoughts on where zoners typically place, both projectile and normals based?
Shh!! Spoilers for future vids...
If i had to give an answer without making the video irrelevant, i think projectile based leans high tier and practical while normals based is low and theoretical, few games do normal based zoning right, and its weaknesses are way harsher than projectiles damage restrictions, but, ill get into that when its zoner month and i go over the various types. Havent decided if its gonna be just those two or if ill divide them up further, i never really know till the scripts are in front of me.
Based on my own experience practical low def feels right for bullies
Yeah i think so for sure, they have a consistent gameplan but its just not very strong most of the time.
Let me guess... Grapplers are gonna be the weakest theorical archetype right? *Sad tager noises*
Most likely, that would be joke characters. But if we're not counting those, maybe normals based zoner might be worse than grappler, ill think about that stuff a lot in the lead to those videos getting written, but there are tons of games where grapplers are amazing, i dont think theyre inherently weak, they just often get gimped into being low tier by the devs on purpose, but in places like KOF, Tekken, even street fighter right now, grapplers are great, and i believe before last patch potemkin was doing really well with his new moves too. Just got outshone by goldlewis at the time.
@@DarumaFGC joke characters should be included in my opinion, is a really well recognized archetype by pretty much the whole fgc. Also sucks for the normal based zoner, their cousins the projectile zoners are superior (specially the monster ones in NRS games) and i guess they'll be the strongest archetype in the middle of theory and practical, above midrange.
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Glad you like the videos!
wanna play tekken
Maybe later