Winchester XPR, Browning X Bolt, & Pre-64/Post-64 Model 70
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- Опубліковано 18 лют 2020
- In this video I compare the Winchester XPR to the Pre-64 Model 70, the Post 64 Model 70, and the Browning X Bolt. Join me to learn about their differences and have a good look at the inner workings of these great rifles. I think the Winchester XPR is one of the best budget rifles around. Let me know in the comments if you agree. If you would like more USOG, check-out the links below:
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Your videos are never to long in my opinion. Love all of the in depth info!
Personally, I enjoy your longer in depth videos! I know you must please the masses! Ha ha Thank you
Thank you BA - I can go on and on hahaha - glad I'm not too much trouble.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns smh, who cares what these complainers say! this is your channel, you are the one who takes the time to makes these recordings! screw what they think, if they dont want to watch the entire video they are not forced to!... So dont apologize for simply spreading your knowledge
theres always going to be a hater who only knows how to complain over nothing, do whatever you want, make them as long as you want, talk about whatever the hell you want!.. by the way, I always watch until the end...
Thank you, sir, for another great video and firearm review. I appreciate the thoroughness and practicality of your presentations. It is especially helpful to see the rifles disassembled and explained. Keep up the good work.
Another excellent video, very informative. I click on your videos just as soon as I see them. I had a 1951 vintage Model 70, it was in 30-06 and was somewhat modified, barrel shortened to make it into a "scout" rifle. Wish I still had it, they are not easy to find in the shops around me, in fact I can't recall the last time I saw one. There was a Model 54 in a shop a few years ago, the precursor to the Model 70.
If I might offer a suggestion, the details if the rifles do not show up well in front of your black sweater. And, along those lines, the contrast of dark firearms against white backgrounds is often to much for cameras to deal with, they stop down the apertures to deal with the bright white, which means that dark firearms are rendered more as silhouettes.
Edit: I have since found an excellent 1950 vintage Model 70 in 30-06. A standard grade, all as original, one of my bucket list firearms.
Thanks for those kind words about the Post 64. At the risk of repeating myself I have used mine ,a 308 ,for 99% of my hunting over the last 45 years.It never let me down ,and you are so right about it being on target with iron sights.
Hi Rupert - truly one of the best and such a nuisance living in the shadow of the pre-64; the post 64 stamped with another makers name would have been an instant best seller. People just made that pre/post comparison thing into a major issue - when there was no issue at all. I'm looking for a post 64 .458 from about 65-70. Hope I find one. All the best.
A fine, thoughtful presentation which packs in a lot of valuable and practical information. No theatrics - gets straight down to what we came here to see! Thanks.
Another very informative video Mike. I don’t believe your videos are too long or talk too much as I learn something new in each one. Keep the great content coming and the format is fantastic. As I begin collecting rifles and shotguns, your videos have helped me make better and more informed decisions. I’m a Patreon supporter as your shared knowledge is valuable. Cheers.
Hello Stephen! Your words and support nourish me. Thank you!
Another very informative video. Thanks for sharing. I saw a 1980s model 70 in the local Cabelas used section a few months back. I might go visit the store this weekend to see if it still there.
Great video and they’re not to long 👍. I recently acquired a model 70 XTR (50th anniversary) 300 win mag , what a beautiful rifle with super nice wood and much scrolling on the barrel receiver and trigger guard PS looks to me like it was made the old way with milled parts , thanks much once again for such a informative nice video 👍
Thanks for explaining all about the XPR and comparing the different bolts of the pre and post 70's. I also liked the way you showed how the sear and trigger mechanism operated on the K98 and the other bolts, very cool. I don't like how Winchester did the recoil lug on the XPR or the poly plastics involved, oh well. Fantastic video. Oh Ya...
Just what I was looking for!
Thanks for taking a look at the XPR. Since I already bought mine, it's good to know it was a good choice from the pool of entry-level hunting rifles on the market these days. My only "gripe" (of sorts) is the 24" barrel... a bit unwieldy in a stand. Otherwise it gets the job done. I'm feeding my coffee can for an eventual upgrade to a Model 70... but that's a few deer seasons down the road. Thanks again... always learn something watching your work. Thanks to your camera crew too. Unsung heroes.
You bought well - the XPR is a lot more rifle than people think - with incredible accuracy as well. I appreciate the good words : )
IMHO, your presentations are never too long. They are filled with knowledge and experiences gained from your passion of collecting. I would enjoy even longer more detailed presentations. I will appreciate any and all of your presentations as I learn something from every one.
Your messages are so positive and welcome - they help me a lot. I'll keep making videos. The very best to you. Thank you again.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns You are most welcome sir.
keep making videos, long or short they are worth it.
Nice video. Thanks
smh, who cares what these complainers say! this is your channel, you are the one who takes the time to makes these recordings! screw what they think, if they dont want to watch the entire video they are not forced to!... So dont apologize for simply spreading your knowledge
theres always going to be a hater who only knows how to complain over nothing, do whatever you want, make them as long as you want, talk about whatever the hell you want!.. by the way, I always watch until the end...
i like your videos and your details. thank you .
I watch all your videos and enjoy them. I just finished this one. After watching, I will often grab one of my rifles or search for images with google to get a “closer” look at all the different parts. Sometimes the close up images are easily found, sometimes not. You may want to see if your cameraman or editor can insert specific closeup photos of parts difficult to capture during the presentation. Just an idea. I’ve seen this in other videos and it allows the viewers to pause and study a bit. By the way, my post 64, 22-250 is hands down my most accurate, unmodified, factory rifle. I have customs that are as good or better, but no factory rifle.
The doctor of fine rifles
Thank you J. Ongman!
The XPR has the same trigger and barrel as the Model 70
It's an impressive rifle for the money and my favorite of the budget line
Great video. Thank you. I had no idea Browning and Winchester were more or less the same company. I love my Browning rifles. I will need to take a better look at the winchester's.
They're all well made and the engineering is always top level - as things are they offer first class fit/ finish/ and performance and for many are the best.
Thanks a lot for this video. I just got a X bolt and it's my first premium bolt action, so I wanted to know the differences, benefits and possible options for the future. At least you informed me that it's better than good but not the absolute best out there.
If I had to own only one rifle and someone said it had to be an A Bolt - I'd be fine with that. Great rifle.
Thanks USOG Another Great Comparison Video I Wouldn’t Complain If Your Videos Were Longer 😀😊😎👍🏼
Please don’t fear that you “talk too much.” Your patient explanations are why we are here.
Regarding safeties, I like the idea of being able to unload a rifle while keeping the safety engaged unless there is a removable box magazine. I understand your point about not trusting a mechanical safety. I love revolvers, none of which have safeties. However, I carry a 1911 in Condition 1 and would not do so without the thumb safety engaged. The most important practice is keeping my finger (or anything else) outside the trigger guard until I am ready to pull the trigger, but the thumb safety is a comforting backup. With a bolt action rifle I prefer having a manual safety in addition to what is between my ears.
Fine and balanced comment - thank you!
The six pre 64 model 70s I own to me are the best. All are solid metal and wood and have that great feel to them along with each being very accurate. Number one in my book.
Why did the move production out of South Carolina to Portugal?
great work I enjoy your videos very much. I heard you mention the Montana rifle and hope at some point in the future you'd be able to feature one of those on a video. thanks
a montana vs kimber vs model 70 may make a good video
Montana is put of business now
So do you think the xpr recoil lug will hold up over time compared to the other models
Fantastic review! I’ve been really looking forward to seeing you review the xpr. I know it’s a budget rifle, but that walnut stock looks sharp! I’m curious how this rifle compares to a walnut Remington 783 or a Thompson Centre Venture 2, or the new CVA Cascade? I bought a Bergara B14 after your excellent review, now if Minnesota changes their deer hunting laws to let us use straight wall rifle cartridges, I just might end up with a 350 Legend. Now which rifle to choose...Thank you for your help! You have never made a video that was “too long” or “too long winded”! You are in my top 3 favourite channels!
Thank you Joe's! The XPR is for sure a fine rifle - and the walnut version especially fine. I'm glad my work is okay 👍
Perfect timing, someone I know asked me and I did not even the most basic of clues on this. Sad really, I have been ignoring Winchester and Browning for 10 years at least.
stephane matis You have not missed much.
@@sartainja You are likely correct. The only positive thing I can state is the model 92 and model 94 takedowns, which Miroku seems to have built epic levels. Every person who bought one sings their praises.
Answered a lot of my questions. Thank you.
I'm glad Ron - hope I didn't miss too much.
USOG I always learn something when watching your videos. Especially when I was shopping around for my first hunting rifle.
Good vids 🇨🇦🤠
Thank you Randy!
Manufacturers like Ruger have figured out how to make budget rifles shoot more accurately than their higher priced predecessors of days gone by. I’m all for accuracy but the guns themselves are about as attractive as Rosie O’Donnell.
Your videos aren’t too long for those of us that can pay attention to one subject for more than three minutes.
My father loved his Post-64 Model 70 in .270 Winchester, but always said he wanted a Pre-64. Before he passed away, he bought another Post-64 Model 70 in .30-06. The major difference other than the caliber being the grade of the two. The one in .270 Winchester is what is now called Supergrade, while the one in .30-06 is labeled as a "670A", the budget blind magazine variant. The quality on both is stellar, and I have plans to put the .30-06 into a more target oriented guise than the sporter configuration that it currently is.
Hi Markius - They're all great - I like the 670A for its simplicity; best of luck with your target rifle plan. Sometimes I get lazy and my target rifle building plans turn into a high magnification scope only - surprising how far one can hit and how small the groups get - with just the scope.
The current Winchester Model 70's are made in Portugal and are excellent. The post 64 Winchester was the rifle that I cut my teeth on from 18 through to my late 20's in 22/250 and .270. I never had a double stroke or jam in either rifle and both were pin point accurate (admittedly they were both bedded and floated). I look forward to your opinion on the X Bolt and I'm enjoying your posts on Instagram Mike. Thanks for sharing!
They are assembled in Portugal from parts made in the South Carolina FN factory unless that too has changed.
Thank you! X Bolt coming up. And the post 64 Model 70 really is far better than people think - just as you say. Thank you!
It looks like the Xbolt has a bigger extractor than the XPR so that's a plus but I think the its more expensive. The post 64 M70 as you said has the recoil lug built into the receiver plus the three position M70 safety that locks the bolt and the striker is a much better option over the Rem700.
I acquired a Browning Medallion in 22-250 from my uncle. Really pretty has some engraving on the receiver and floor plate. I've only shot it a few times due to availability and cost of the round. It does say A-Bolt on the receiver. Do you know anything about the Medallion series?
The good news is most of these fast food guns shoot decently . The bad news is as a collector & lover of quality firearms they excite as much as getting a root canal.
Too many quality old school rifles still available & reasonable prices . Cz 550, Older Tikkas, Remington 700, & the underrated Winchester XTR etc. Great Video OG but I’ll pass on these new rifles.
I feel the same way but the only rifles selling today are cheap plastic stocked budget rifles. I may be wrong but I don’t think anyone will be interested in collecting them 50 years from now.
Some people complain too much. You don't talk too much and your videos are not too long.
As always very good and educational videos and bi any chance any video on Sako hunter bolt action rifles
Hi Joseph - I don't have one yet - I've handled them and shot them at the range - and I reviewed the Black Bear. The Sako Hunter is a top level rifle.
Ive noticed in the A-bolts (not A-Bolt 3) vs X-bolt, it seems there is a little more slop in the bolt movement/wobble wise in the X-bolt. It seems the A-bolt is a little tighter tolerance.
That XPR bolt with its design reminds me of the Weatherby Mark V. By having the bolt diameter the same as the lugs it allows for a relatively smooth action, but at the same time eliminates the machining necessary to make a skinnier bolt. This is a cheap solution, but it works.
While it is sad that the Model 70 isn’t made in New Haven it is more important that it is still being made as a high quality firearm. People need to remember that the entire Model 70 line was actually discontinued when the New Haven facility closed. So when people want to be bent out of shape about it being made in Portugal the choice can easily be not made at all. For example a person can buy today a brand new Model 70, but they can’t buy a brand new Winchester Model 9422.
The post-64 push-feed action did have some teething issues, but once Winchester worked the kinks out it was a solid and smooth action. It is an underrated action in my opinion and they did turn out some beautiful guns with it. As to what might be next up in the collectability area of the Model 70 I suspect that it’s going to be the New Haven made Model 70’s with the “classic” control-feed action. These guns have the original Model 70 trigger, have the New Haven stamping, and are to the best of my knowledge the closest one can get in the Model 70 line to a pre-64 without it being an actual pre-64.
Anyhow, I just want to say that I enjoyed the video.
I agree with everything you wrote. The US made re-introduced CRF Model 70 is in high demand - but as you wrote - better to have a CRF Model 70 made somewhere than none at all. : )
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns :)
I have on order a model 70 super grade in 7mm-08. With covid, wait time for delivery is long. I already have a model 70 fetherlight in 270 win. That is a bit much for the little whitetail in the low country of SC.
Good information. If you could mic better or improve audio somehow it would help. A bit low and mild echo that makes the sound a bit difficult.
Looking for a synthetic bolt action rifle to deer hunt in PA. I want 22” barrel in .308. I am leaning towards Winchester XPR or Tikka T3x. What are your thoughts?
Hi Ben - I like the XPR - for the money and with a wood stock: my .308 XPR was super accurate and well made. My friend had to have it - so it is out hunting now. Good luck!
I really like the detailed descriptions and explanations of your guns, were your parents from the UK by any chance?
If I may be so bold; if you wear a lighter coloured jumper it would help the contrast and the fine guns you are showing could be seen a bit more clearly. Best wishes.
Thanks for the color suggestion! I appreciate all advice. My parents were not from the UK - they were from Germany and Austria - their birth certificates anyway.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns You're a gentleman and a scholar - with an interesting and enviable collection no less. Thanks for taking the time to share. All the best
Did not realize the post 64 was more accurate than the pre 64. You are going to start a run on post 64's. :-) Great video, you don't talk too much. Don't listen to the nay sayers. Hang in there! :-)
Thanks Rick - the post 64's are unsung heroes - one of the best and hardly looked at haha - maybe a run is coming. All the best Rick.
Well that was lots of great info as usual!! Staged trigger like on the Mauser was so great to bad it's not common practice anymore! So much plastic on new rifles, I'm surprised they offer them with real stock(wood that is).... The rail, like it is an AR of something like that why the rail on sporting/hunting rifle, gross!! Now, you know me and my love for wood and nice real blue, open sights, but that is that rifle on the wall rack behind you??
Hi David - I know what you mean : ) That is a Werndl single shot from Austria.
Wnchester pre64 and post 64 shoot the same as far as acuracy goes. I love Winchester and their trigger are so much easier to set than most other rifles.
I agree
Extractor seems small? Like the Rem783 they break easily
Great video
Greetings from Denmark. Great video.. What do you think about browning x bolt vs tikka t3x?
Denmark - beautiful country! Thank you for being here on the channel. I would buy the X Bolt. They are both accurate and well made; to me the Browning has more character - just my opinion of course. All the best to you.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Thank you.. Even though the tikka comes from our Scandinavian brothers, I also think the x bolt 308 will be my next rifle. Good evening
I finally decided on Winchester XPR 30-06(Begera Barrel). Now the wait. Synthetic stock
I'd like to sugest the Mauser M18? Would like your opinion on this one sir. Greetings, Tonny.
Hello! I just found one! I'll have a video next week. Thank you!
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns : great! Look forward to it!
We’re burning daylight Mr. USOG, grab your Win94 and lets ride.
Absolutely! I've always liked this quote from Shane : Shane: A gun is a tool, Marian; no better or no worse than any other tool: an axe, a shovel or anything. ...
Do you have a video about the original Browning A5? I love mine!
I made something and I'm making another - maybe even today. Your note is right on time. Thanks!
USOG awesome! I love my early 60’s European Sport model... she is amazing! Thank you!
I have the post 64 very accurate rifle 1in are better 100 yrds and shoot just about any kind 150 gr. Thinking about XPR are the Weatherby Vanguard 2.for long range 270WSM.
I’m getting a XPR in 6.8 Western
Fine rifle and cartridge - the XPR is an excellent value.
Did you do a review on the ruger carbine 44mag semi auto
Hi there - Yes - there is a video I did on the channel about the 44 Ruger - one of my favorites.
post 64 more accurate, now that is new information.
JUST SOMETHING I NOTICE, NEXT TIME WEAR A LIGHT COLORED VEST. BLACK ON BLACK DOES NOT SHOW UP VERY GOOD. I JUST FOUND THE XPR. I'M TRYING TO GET AS MUCH INFO AS I CAN. LOOKING AT MAYBE A 300 WIN. MAG. ALL THE REVEIWS HAVE BEEN GOOD THAT I HAVE LOOKED AT. PLEASE COMMENT. THANKS.
Mike! I need you to sell me that thai 66 action haha
Hi Chester - please write me at usogbyemail@gmail.com - so I can call you.
SACRILEGE!!!!! The XPR replacing the model 70. I know it could happen. These young pups, all they want is "tactical" or "target" anymore. Few appreciate the classic beauty, lines and quality of an older style hunting rifle. I own pre, post, and present model 70's and also the XPR. The XPR is a fine rifle, decent action, good barrel, in lengths more appropriate to particular calibers. (At least in my opinion) and the best thing, they put the MOA trigger in it!! 👍👍 the stock looks decent, feels pretty good, but not like the model 70 in my opinion, but the thing I'm not so excited about, is the removeable magazine. Give me the standard magazine with opening bottom metal or at least the hidden magazine. Just open the bolt, top load, more capacity and reliable. I guess three rounds will get the job done, and the XPR cycles and feeds well enough but I don't care for having to pull the magazine to load it, and a removeable magazine is a pain if it happens to get lost. Removeable magazines are fine on AR's etc, with big capacity magazines but I don't care much for them on hunting rifles. My Savage 99C's, with their removeable magazines, were fine, but they had capacity and could be easily top loaded just by opening the lever. To me, the XPR is a fine rifle and I like mine, but it isn't a model 70 in my opinion. Hopefully the XPR does well in the Winchester line and the model 70 stays popular too, at least for my time here. But then I guess such things aren't up to me.
Thanks for writing - makes sense to me.
I used to have Sako hanger caliber 270 purchased in 1984 than later I sold it in 1994 I tell you what a mistake that was.
Uh oh. I've done that too many times. I still don't know why. Oh well...life goes on.
My experience with the Xbolt was very much hit or miss. Broken extractor. Stripped scope mounting screws (even using a torque driver) and in the case of the .300Win mag great accuracy at 100 yards which just fell apart at 200 with no consistency in the groups. Also I found no way to disassemble the bolt to clean. I have wondered about the XPR. Glad to see your review. I agree the pre and post 64 Model 70 triggers were a masterpiece of simplicity and reliability. Surprised to see a thumbs down. You must have hurt someones feelings who didn’t have any retort to offer.
XPR is best rifle for the money, followed by Thompson.
I agree
The Winchester M70 currently has controlled round feeding. I wouldn't buy a M70 that didn't have controlled round feeding.
I wished most were as you. That would leave more post 64s for me! Great guns, never had an issue with a push feed.
Better not stop talking or else
Okay Peter
you black sweater is not a good background for the blued metal
agree re where rifle is made makes no difference except wont buy anything from China or Russia due to their aggression and actions. nor Turkey
Hi Keith thanks for the note and being on the channel.
"buy guns for the channel". lamest excuse i ever heard