I was an extra in this movie,, You can see me half way thur when Rip and another guy were at the bar... I'm one of the bartenders,, Dark hair and mustache,, Budda,, I was pretty back then.,,, And I'm in the courtroom scenes too...
The different things that I have read have proved to me that that rancher that pogue and Elms meeting up with Want to get Dallas out of the area so he could have it exclusively for himself. He seemed pretty friendly with Pogue before he went in to meet up with Dallas. Being a former reserve deputy I’ve seen active duty law officers behaved like that and didn’t care much for it. I believe that game warden pogue suffered from big badge syndrome..
This part of the film has been grossly edited. It's been 35 years since I watched it, but I definitely remember A LOT more discussion between Pogue and Dallas, such as (paraphrasing) : I caught the bobcats in Nevada, then your supposed to have a special permit if you cross the border, Well where is the border? Then the most important sentence from Pogue: Your going with me you can go the easy way or the hard way and Pogue again puts his hand on his pistol. (good or bad the jury took this as a death threat). Buy the movie or read the case transcript because this part has been cut for the wardens advantage. That enter-action between the two lasted way more than 21 seconds.
Dallas was a punk. Look we all wish things are different or the way they used to be. But Dallas thought he was special and the game laws didn't apply to him. I remember when Dallas killed these men in 1981 while I was living in Oregon. The one thing that bothered me then and now was the shot to the head of each warden and burying of Pogue . If it was self defense why shoot them in the head and why bury the body. Seems Dallas knew he was in the wrong and was trying to hide that fact. I'm a hunter and have been since I was a boy, but you can't hunt all year around or trap for if so the game would be hunted and trapped out. Dallas was a idiot even real Mountain men only hunted in the fall or winter , Dallas did it for money and money only.
In the book, that 2nd shot was explained as what "trappers" do to prevent long suffering. ie, there was not way the wardens were going to survive, no matter what they did. They were what, 5 hours from even a paved road, then another 5 hours from Winnemucca, the closest place. So, in the book, it was presented as the trappers "act of mercy". It was also that second shot that resulted in the conviction. A poll of the jury after the trial said he not fired that second shot, they would not have convicted him.
Claude...why didn't you leave Bill Pogue's body there with Connelly Elms's instead of driving 6 hours with it back to Paradise Valley ? 6 hours with a dead (murdered) cop in the back seat ? A normal person would have had a nervous breakdown, but then, YOU'RE not normal, are you?
That's total BS. When the Wardens left Boise that night, Dallas wasn't even brought up until after breakfast with the Carlin's the next morning and it was Eddy Carlin"s wife who mentioned Dallas had met her husband on the trail earlier . THAT is when Pogue , who had earlier contacts with Dallas , learned he was in the area . Pogue would have simply gave Dallas a citation for the game offenses, but Dallas was from Nevada , and non-resident poachers (back in 81') had to be brought before a judge .
as someone who grew up in owyhee county and has heard both sides of the srory and new pouge claude was just defending himself if he had not he would have been killed along with stevens
bill pogue was a very letter of the law game warden and all accounts show that he was an asshole,but what right did that give claude dallas to break the law? bill pogue was an honorable man who served this country bravely in korea,claude dallas wound up in Idaho because he was a coward running from the law and the draft board during Vietnam.dallas was a full time poacher,bill pogue was only doing his job.i am an Idaho resident who was born and raised in that state,and I'm a hunter.i don't agree with all of idahos' game laws,but I follow them because I wish to keep my hunting privelidges.dallas had no excuse for what he did,officer pogue had him dead to rights.
@@robertmowreader9663 Agreed, Dallas admitted he killed 3 deer out of season so hows that make him legal. Be like shooting a cop over a speeding ticket after you admit to speeding because you just don't want to pay the ticket.
@@robertmowreader9663 If a man came to your property to drag you off, take your right to life for their own and make you fight for them, you wouldnt do the same? Ill defend my unalienable rights from others at all costs, thats freedom.
Where are you today, Claude? Are you working for a taxidermist in Pasadena? I just set up a bird feeder for my tomcat and could use some advice. I hope you've become computer literate in your post Idaho life. Football Steve's a Cajun chef, still hot for Roxie. Bake's probably dead of a gut obstruction, everyone we schooled with is pretty much wrapping it up and packing it in.
The game warden was way to trigger happy if you notice he has his hand on his gun and tells claude dallas if you want to go hard we will carry you out.So sheriff lobo try to take him out and bj and the bear isnt going to help you lobo lol
I lived in Idaho at the time. I didn't know anyone involved, but back then - as you can imagine - there was a lot of talk (gossip) about the confrontation and killing. A lot of folks who knew the wardens, claimed that one of them was your basic "power-tripping" bully. Think of a bad cop with a chip on his shoulder - and then find yourself confronted by such a person out in the middle of nowhere. Under those circumstance, a person can start to feel pretty vulnerable / threatened. I'm not saying that is what happened, but one of these Wardens had a bad reputation. Maybe this Warden (maybe) pushed the wrong guy just a little bit too hard. Maybe Dallas genuinely felt his life was in jeopardy. And then, within seconds, things escalated out of control. Did the wardens deserve to be killed (maybe one of them)? Probably not, but I wasn't there so I can't say for certain. The final execution shot is hard to understand, but remember Claude, as a trapper, was accustomed to putting wounded animals out of their misery. And, given the situation - maybe that was all that could been done? I don't know. In this age where police brutality has recently been placed under a microscope, we are continually reminded that law enforcement must communicate with the public in a professional and respectful manner. And members of the public will be well advised to also respond appropriately; cooperate with lawful orders; avoid behaving belligerently, do not threaten officers or move suddenly and do not resist arrest. Resistance can come later with a lawyer in front of a judge.
Wow well I lost all respect for this movie, they just said Nevawwwdu. Its NEVA as in apple. Nevada, this thing sucks, very disrespectful to the people where this all took place
Only the mountains know for sure...and the mountains never tell.
Brent Spiner still looks good at the age of 62.
And still does now, at 72.
The fish n gang actually road in on Horses
Ya gotta have laws… and those who enforce them. Most law enforcement officers are honorable. It can be a very hard job.
I was an extra in this movie,, You can see me half way thur when Rip and another guy were at the bar... I'm one of the bartenders,, Dark hair and mustache,, Budda,, I was pretty back then.,,, And I'm in the courtroom scenes too...
Filmed in Colorado, correct ?
@@rickobrien4025 Ya, in Co. Springs.. Did you see me?
@@jimdonahue5187 Roger that . a LOT of water under the bridge !
@@rickobrien4025 alot of water? what does that mean?
@@jimdonahue5187 It means a lot of time has passed since then .
The different things that I have read have proved to me that that rancher that pogue and Elms meeting up with
Want to get Dallas out of the area so he could have it exclusively for himself. He seemed pretty friendly with Pogue before he went in to meet up with Dallas.
Being a former reserve deputy I’ve seen active duty law officers behaved like that and didn’t care much for it.
I believe that game warden pogue suffered from big badge syndrome..
It's called the "Wyatt Earpe Syndrome" .
Yeah, another tin star with, “ Iam da law attitude.”
I understand that his kid is a warden too...
Hopefully, the apple FELL FAR from the tree...
This part of the film has been grossly edited.
It's been 35 years since I watched it, but I definitely remember A LOT more discussion between Pogue and Dallas, such as (paraphrasing) : I caught the bobcats in Nevada, then your supposed to have a special permit if you cross the border, Well where is the border? Then the most important sentence from Pogue: Your going with me you can go the easy way or the hard way and Pogue again puts his hand on his pistol. (good or bad the jury took this as a death threat).
Buy the movie or read the case transcript because this part has been cut for the wardens advantage.
That enter-action between the two lasted way more than 21 seconds.
You're thinking of the later part of the movie where Dallas is telling HIS side of the story on the witness stand . But they DID edit that part too .
The game warden did make a death threat to claude dallas it was self defense
This should happen to EVERY game warden in the world.
What a fucking incredible scene at 8:00.
No slow motion, no unnecessary dialogue, no Bruce Willis "Yippe Kai Yea".
Sudden, violent, shocking.
Is that really an accent?
Brent is from Houston, so that twang is probably his natural voice.
Dallas was a punk. Look we all wish things are different or the way they used to be. But Dallas thought he was special and the game laws didn't apply to him. I remember when Dallas killed these men in 1981 while I was living in Oregon. The one thing that bothered me then and now was the shot to the head of each warden and burying of Pogue . If it was self defense why shoot them in the head and why bury the body. Seems Dallas knew he was in the wrong and was trying to hide that fact. I'm a hunter and have been since I was a boy, but you can't hunt all year around or trap for if so the game would be hunted and trapped out. Dallas was a idiot even real Mountain men only hunted in the fall or winter , Dallas did it for money and money only.
um No, real mountain men hunted to feed themselves. And winter time was trapping time for those winter pelts.
He actually did it for self defense but you may think that
@@DanielMartinez-ch9gk Self defense is shooting to stop a threat. Murder is once they are down shooting them in the head.
Dallas was also known to use illegal baits
He was already well known to law enforcement prior to the murders
In the book, that 2nd shot was explained as what "trappers" do to prevent long suffering. ie, there was not way the wardens were going to survive, no matter what they did. They were what, 5 hours from even a paved road, then another 5 hours from Winnemucca, the closest place. So, in the book, it was presented as the trappers "act of mercy". It was also that second shot that resulted in the conviction. A poll of the jury after the trial said he not fired that second shot, they would not have convicted him.
If Claude wouldn't have finished them off with a .22 right behind the ear then I would have believed his story a whole lot better.
lonewizzard I’ve seen a lot of negative posts on an episode of the FBI Files Murdering Cowboy
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Notice that they don't show him when he takes a dump in the river - and that's a violation of the man act!
Claude...why didn't you leave Bill Pogue's body there with Connelly Elms's instead of driving 6 hours with it back to Paradise Valley ? 6 hours with a dead (murdered) cop in the back seat ? A normal person would have had a nervous breakdown, but then, YOU'RE not normal, are you?
I saw this case on the FBI Files-Murdering Cowboy.
They also did a re-enactment on City Confidential, "Muredr in the high Desert" narrated by Paul Winfield. Can not find it ANYWHERE !
So let me get this straight, he murdered 2 men in cold blood and only served 22 years. 😡
At 1:52 it says that this movie is BASED on Jeff Long's book. .I think you meant the more negative book,Give a boy a gun... and badge.
I grew up in Idaho, and I remember hearing that the fish and game brought a body bag when they visited Dallas.
That's total BS. When the Wardens left Boise that night, Dallas wasn't even brought up until after breakfast with the Carlin's the next morning and it was Eddy Carlin"s wife who mentioned Dallas had met her husband on the trail earlier . THAT is when Pogue , who had earlier contacts with Dallas , learned he was in the area . Pogue would have simply gave Dallas a citation for the game offenses, but Dallas was from Nevada , and non-resident poachers (back in 81') had to be brought before a judge .
as someone who grew up in owyhee county and has heard both sides of the srory and new pouge claude was just defending himself if he had not he would have been killed along with stevens
bill pogue was a very letter of the law game warden and all accounts show that he was an asshole,but what right did that give claude dallas to break the law? bill pogue was an honorable man who served this country bravely in korea,claude dallas wound up in Idaho because he was a coward running from the law and the draft board during Vietnam.dallas was a full time poacher,bill pogue was only doing his job.i am an Idaho resident who was born and raised in that state,and I'm a hunter.i don't agree with all of idahos' game laws,but I follow them because I wish to keep my hunting privelidges.dallas had no excuse for what he did,officer pogue had him dead to rights.
@@robertmowreader9663 Agreed, Dallas admitted he killed 3 deer out of season so hows that make him legal. Be like shooting a cop over a speeding ticket after you admit to speeding because you just don't want to pay the ticket.
@@robertmowreader9663 If a man came to your property to drag you off, take your right to life for their own and make you fight for them, you wouldnt do the same? Ill defend my unalienable rights from others at all costs, thats freedom.
Where are you today, Claude? Are you working for a taxidermist in Pasadena? I just set up a bird feeder for my tomcat and could use some advice.
I hope you've become computer literate in your post Idaho life. Football Steve's a Cajun chef, still hot for Roxie. Bake's probably dead of a gut obstruction, everyone we schooled with is pretty much wrapping it up and packing it in.
The game warden was way to trigger happy if you notice he has his hand on his gun and tells claude dallas if you want to go hard we will carry you out.So sheriff lobo try to take him out and bj and the bear isnt going to help you lobo lol
I lived in Idaho at the time. I didn't know anyone involved, but back then - as you can imagine - there was a lot of talk (gossip) about the confrontation and killing. A lot of folks who knew the wardens, claimed that one of them was your basic "power-tripping" bully.
Think of a bad cop with a chip on his shoulder - and then find yourself confronted by such a person out in the middle of nowhere.
Under those circumstance, a person can start to feel pretty vulnerable / threatened.
I'm not saying that is what happened, but one of these Wardens had a bad reputation. Maybe this Warden (maybe) pushed the wrong guy just a little bit too hard. Maybe Dallas genuinely felt his life was in jeopardy. And then, within seconds, things escalated out of control.
Did the wardens deserve to be killed (maybe one of them)? Probably not, but I wasn't there so I can't say for certain. The final execution shot is hard to understand, but remember Claude, as a trapper, was accustomed to putting wounded animals out of their misery. And, given the situation - maybe that was all that could been done? I don't know.
In this age where police brutality has recently been placed under a microscope, we are continually reminded that law enforcement must communicate with the public in a professional and respectful manner.
And members of the public will be well advised to also respond appropriately; cooperate with lawful orders; avoid behaving belligerently, do not threaten officers or move suddenly and do not resist arrest.
Resistance can come later with a lawyer in front of a judge.
This was self defense that game warden was out to kill Claude Dallas
There’s no evidence that Pogue or Elms had drawn their weapons. Why dispose of the bodies and try burning up bloody spots
Hi debbie
Did you know claude?
Wow well I lost all respect for this movie, they just said Nevawwwdu. Its NEVA as in apple. Nevada, this thing sucks, very disrespectful to the people where this all took place