I really love how God utilizes before we know what the flesh is in need of. He knew already for He's not bound by time, yet He be our Great Alpha and Omega, King, High Priest, Only Rabbi and Friend.
Good mix! So much clarity and when you have this kind of clarity it makes your musicians play better and more in time!!! You will play better than you thought you could!!! Its amazing how much a clear mix with plenty of headroom helps the band dynamic!
Super helpful video! I'm a sound tech, musician and worship leader, but I've always found it difficult to explain these principles to our A/V techs. Please keep posting things like this, God Bless!
My rule of thumb has been panning different channels. I recently got some wavs custom IEMs and it’s been my first experience of using both ears in. I like keeping the click in my right ear so when I take my left out there’s no bleed through in my mic. But definitely watch the “one ear in-one ear out” method because that could cause some damage to your ears (you’ll want to increase the volume of your IEM to hear instinctually). All-in-all such a helpful video guys!
I've been doing the dastardly deed of pulling one bud out -- not doing that anymore despite a mediocre IEM mix. I'm fairly certain it eventually led to a brief bout of vertigo and there is documentation/support on this. Since you can put both buds in and drop the levels by 6 decibels for the same perceived volume, it's obvious there will be a tendency to blast one ear as well as cause an imbalance in the brain due to the ears hearing completely different things. Which really takes me back to advising many churches to either avoid or approach IEMs very carefully. Churches are just notorious for trying to do something on a shoestring ( adopt IEM but don't allow extra sound check time -- or any sound check time, no ambient/room mics, no pannable mix, no training ) In our case this led to the quiet stage/IEM effort resulting in only 4 musicians ( no vocalists) using IEMs. Not meaning to vent on my own situation here, but those with podiums and audiences need to express these cautions.
This was so good and spot on. I am like Fuller in that I love having a lot of ambience and I want it to sound like the album. We use a stereo pair of large diaphragm condensers with low cuts and it’s such a difference maker. I build my mix dry first and then slowly add the ambience. Taking out one in ear for the whole set is such a bad habit and can be very Damaging. Taking one ear out immediately makes the level in the remaining ear feel about 6db lower which causes you to raise the volume on your pack. You then put the other ear back in and wonder why you’re mix is so loud. A monitor engineer friend in the secular world once told me that if he sees people with one ear out the entire set, it’s typically a sign of a bad in ear mix and they might just need some better mixing and ambience. Great video.
Great video, although I do not agree with the part from 07.00-09.00. It is true that it is best to have your signal to IEM post Eq, but NOT post Compressor. If you choose the post compressor tap as a send, the vocals or musicians do not have the right control over the dynamics they are producing. I (as a sound guy) tried both options in our worship band and it was obvious that post compressor had a bad impact on the performance, especially the vocals. Also they sensed the difference and preferred pre compressor, so they could correctly anticipate on the dynamic they put in the voice or instrument. On the X32 use 'Post EQ' as setting in your sends.
Brian and Fuller, its not about Keto or other diet fads. Your body is an engine and works best with the right mixture of fuel, air and spark. First figure out your BMR, your burn of calories just at rest. I recommend My Macros Plus app, it will interview you in a few minutes and put together a plan of proteins, carbs and fats that will maximize your calorie burn for your stated goal. It also contains a library of foods that you can build your own library of foods. You will then find out exactly what your eating in relationship to what MM+ set for you. It will change your life and fat will drop. You have to be strict with entering info. on food and water intake everyday. You cannot trak P, C or F by guessing. Best of Luck with your 20 day goal and Thanks for all the wonderful content.
Great video for those just starting with IEM’s and great reminder for those that use them constantly. Brian-Still waiting for the DM regarding you selling me that Sparkle Gretsch....?? Just did a 30 day healthy Eating challenge myself. Cut out gluten, dairy, sugar, coffee, and processed foods. I ate only healthy snacks and ended up losing 13 pounds in one month. Feel better, more energy and my pants fit again. You should be several weeks in and feeling great by now. Can’t wait to hear the update!
Thanks! The sparkle jet isn’t going anywhere yet 😎 Regarding the health - yeah it’s been almost 3 weeks now. I’ve done well - only ‘cheated’ maybe twice. I’m down about 10 pounds and feel great. I also joined a CrossFit gym (back in August), so about three days a week I just try not to die between 7:30 and 8:30 am 😂
@@worshiptutorials B.Wahl- LOL, That's awesome, gotta take care of the body. Sounds like you're well on your way, keep it up! Sad to hear about the Gretsch though, Alas, I will admire her from afar... : ( I understand, I don't think i would sell or get rid of the one I have, unless you wanted to make a trade. Limited edition...Copper body,,,jaguar tan top....String thru bigsby? Hmmm?
that's why when people ask me I always advise only go to in ear monitoring if you are willing to do it whole hog, probably requiring a consultant to pull it off..... otherwise don't do it half baked....we have theoretically been on in ears with "quiet stage" for 6 or 7 years and only about three people on the team use earbuds....
Thanks for the IEM walkthrough! Circling back to a video a few weeks ago "if Jesus is in your heart, please inform your face" while you're on stage! Watch the GoPro footage you posted here. ;)
Super helpful video! I am a bass guitarist and have only joined worship teams at youth and church in the last 5-ish months. I'd be really interested to hear your bass guitarist's IEM mix.
Hi! Very informative stuff. I would like one video about Music Director and/or Band Director. Are they different? Should be different also from a Worship Leaders? What is their roles and what aptitudes are needed? How to include one in the worship team? Thanks
Pro Tip for Dave and I’m sure he knows this... but the triggers he’s using for gates, you don’t have to use up a channel in order to use triggers. You can plug in a drum trigger to the DL251 or whatever Midas stagebox you’re using and reference that stage box input from your drum channel in the key section of the gate. Only down fall is then not being able to control stagebox gain if it’s not on a channel. But still a cool function
Jesse Coonen Appreciate that Jesse. We run them into a channel for 2 reasons. The first is so we can monitor their gains and make sure they have good input levels each week. We have various drummers and some hulk smash the drums while others hit them much lighter. Don’t want them peaking (even though the click they make has about the same sound either way) because that raises their noise floor and means there’s a greater chance of the gates opening for symbols and other drums. The second reason is that the gate key ins don’t have a tape return input on the Midas like other channels so running the triggers into channels is how we feed the trigger signal that are captured back through those channel’s tape returns during virtual playback, then to their direct outs which are always patched to the gate keys.
Our IEM personal mixers are capable of moving different channels from left to right. I'd love to hear some instructions on what channels should be in both ears, what channels should be panned right or left, etc, to clear things up.
I can give you 2 examples of how panning can be used: 1) I'd say stick all the channels you need to focus on (eg own instrument, lead vox, MD, click, kick, snare etc) in the middle. I like the other channels panned from my perspective, eg if the elec guitar is on my right, I will pan the EG slightly to the right. Though I always pan bass to the centre, as you wouldn't normally hear bass in just one ear. I do this as it helps me feel almost as if i wasn't using in ears, as the sounds are coming from the right places. Make sure to hard pan (pan all the way) stereo signals, eg keys, tracks, ambient mics if you have them. 2) Some people use panning in more extreme ways for seperation, by putting some channels all the way into one ear or the other. I personally don't like this as I think it would lead to vastly different volumes in the different ears, and also sounds odd to me. Play around with it, see what works best for you! :) Hope that helps!
This is great advice and some great practical elements, is it possible to hear Fullers mix at some point or one of the worship leaders mixes just to get a different perspective?
Thats a great sound what are you running your guitar through, I'm using a headrush pedal board and using in ear monitoring, this is all new to me so on the learning curve, the idea of an individual in ear mix sounds good.
Tommi Hirvonen We had an issue in the encoding software we use to broadcast online on the sunday we shot this. It’s definitely not supposed to sound like that :)
great video, thank you. There is good with technological enhancements to help, support, to play better and give a better performance in worship, though In regard to physical analogue, confidence and team cohesion I would recommend not to leave out sessions/jams that are purely instrumental and analogue in worship therefore working effectively with one Mind and Soul, hearing everyone else with pure instrumental harmony, for I believe its important that our minds, ears and heart collaborate with others, figuring out if they need help when tired or boosting their confidence by giving them the lead, having a back and forth as if musical conversation having Christ be present though His Holy Spirit as Witness and Comforter.
Matt Mason God Bless! Yeah. I was turning down one of the faders 🎚 for the Pads patch and apparently I touched one of the black Keys 🎹. 😂 Thank you for watching the video and God Bless You!
Brian.....how to choose in-ears for guitar player? Did you choose in-ears because of frequencies? Is there models of inears that you specialy like as a guitar player? Thank you!
Yeah that was actually the stream/live mix, and there was an issue that was causing it to distort. It wasn't like that in the house, and it's not typically like that on the stream either. Wasn't much I could do about it in post, though.
Worship Tutorials I'm considering buying in ear monitors what's your advice what's a good starting kit I've also play keyboard what do you recommend me to do
We recently implement digital sound with an behringer x32, and pm1, but I have a problem. I use a pod go to play acoustic and electric guitar, and when I prepare the patches with the same inears plugged to the pod go directly sound great, but wen I use it on church (pod go direct to PA with xlr balanced) the sound I get on my in ears is too harsh and mid rangy, Iwe don’t know what happens, in ears monitors are pre fader and pre Eq, but still sounding very harsh, can you give me some advice?
Not sure if this will be seen since this video is almost 3 years old but when you say to set your in ear mix to post fx, do you mean on each individual channel? Or on the in ear mix bus itself? I am still learning so forgive my ignorance :)
Update best investment I’ve ever made on gear . I’m so excited. No more caring heavy monitors and no more back stage noise . And you could use as much volume as you want without getting any feedback.
I saw the room/crowd mics but missed whether the in-ear mixes can be panned( stereo ). For example put bass and drums in one ear, vocals in the other, guitars in both etc??
You didn't mention our #1 IEM challenge. The bass, drum, and lead guitar players all say they don't get enough bass. They want to "feel" it, not just hear it. In fact, they have brought back a wedge so they can have more bass presence. There are so many potential issues here, I'm not sure where to start. To begin with, an IEM with a quarter-inch driver (at best) is not going to have the same bass response as a 12" wedge speaker. Also, the band is, of course, on the wrong side of the speakers that the audience is listening to. So the bass is blowing the pants off the people in the front row and reverberating around the room in a big muddy mess, while our drummer is saying he can't hear himself and telling the sound guy to turn him up. In addition to the technical issues, there may be personal issues. Hearing loss, maybe, or just frustrated wannabe rock stars who won't be happy until the whole building is vibrating. One thing I have thought of is setting up bass shakers for these guys. It's like a personal sub-woofer-a sub driver without a cone that attaches to their platform, chair, or a body pack. That should give them the feel they want without blowing away everyone else in the room. Any suggestions?
I think the biggest thing here would be to get better headphone or in ear monitors. Cheaper in ears (even if they’re multiple drivers) won’t have the same bass response as higher end in-ears. My 64 Audio in ears can make my head shake if I want to. For your drummer, you might try using some over the ear headphones - those will typically give you better bass response and not cost a ton. Something by Beyerdynamic it Sennheiser. Even Beats might be a good option. Beats are horrible for getting an accurate representation of the mix, but good if you want really hyped bass response.
@@worshiptutorials You are also dealing with physics here. Bass waves are LONGER than treble ones and they take longer to crest and crash as it were. The lower frequencies are often not 'heard' so much as 'felt.' This is also why in ears are a bit of a disadvantage because the waves don't shake the bones in your head the same way without going through the air first. Sometimes it is also overlap from the keyboard - the pianist is playing notes in their left had that the bass player is playing. We have 18' subwoofers under the stage and they blow people's hair back if they are too high. I know the goal is a noise-free stage, but sometimes the in-ears 'hit their lid' as Fuller said, especially in the lower end.
Yeah, while good in-ears with 6 or so drivers will let you hear bass and kick much better than a set of single driver shure 215’s for example, some drummers / bass players have to feel it to feel comfortable. A couple kicker subs might be a great solution in that case.
Which worship tutorials patch are you using in this video? or is it a custom preset you made that hasn’t been released? Because it sounds amazing and would love to have it! love you videos
Thanks! I’m using the song patches that are on the site or each song. We don’t have a patch for Free (the first song) - that was the Match JMP patch (or maybe Brian’s patch). Most all the song patches on the site are either the Match JMP or Brian’s patches with effects and snapshots set up for that specific song.
Can you call my sound team please thanks.. I have everything wrong in my mixes every change they make I hear .I have maxed channels , I have mega loud clicks or mini hidden clicks. help bro
Hey Brian, thank you for this video, really helpful stuff. In the process of setting up a church plant so this was great, I will look into the consoles you mentioned. Also a separate question about what I saw at your church, what do you guys use for putting lyrics up on the wall? Looks separate from the screens. Also...Whole30 is awesome, it’ll change your life, good call!
Mark Ward good stuff! We take the same lyrics source from Pro Presenter that‘s keyed over cameras on the lower 3rd of the side screens. That same source gets keyed over the graphics on the LED wall using a second ME on our switcher. There is some scaling involved to get it sized correctly but that’s probably a little too complicated to explain here.
I can control my in ear mix with an iPhone... the problems I have are 1, no real sound check , 2 the mixes are not pannable, everything's mono and three , we don't have any ambient mics.... so I'm very careful with the volume but still pull one bud out to hear the room better.... Also I share my channel on alternate weeks with another guitarist so if the sound technician has to adjust the channel trim or gain you may have to drop out of practicing a song in order to adjust your in ear mix
Depends on the mixer you use, of course, but on our X32, we have sufficient channels that we can set it up such that each musician has their own channel - so Guitar 1 and Guitar 2, for example, and also each can have their own mixbus. Save good settings on the mixer after every service so they're there next week. If a musician isn't playing, just mute their channel.
@@peterconnolly2724 Are the musicians' in-ear mixes pannable? Can they blend in the feed from ambient/room mics? I don't know which is more critical but both would be nice. Brian indicated their IEM mixes are mono ( not pannable) but I suspect they have room mics PLUS the expertise and time invested to make sure those IEM mixes are as close to perfect as possible. I suspect one mistake I'm making is having some instruments and background vocals in my ears I don't really need -- better off without in our situation. I'm not going to pull one bud out anymore as I'm suspecting it has led to a minor case of vertigo.
I've finally given up on IEMs. Got a great pair of IEMs, am very technically skilled, and have been leading worship and running sound for over 30 years. I just can;t get over the disconnected feeling when using them. Tried adding ambient sound, great EQ, lots of practice, still just can't even come close to a nice wedge on the ground in front of me. Good discipline with stage volumes can totally keep it from getting out of control. Plus, I sing flat every time I use IEMS. Not something I've ever struggled with using live sound from a wedge.
Great video! I have a question about the ambient mics though. How do you deal with the delay you’d hear from those mics? We’ve had issues with the drummer listening more to the room than the click and subsequently getting way out of time with the rest of the band so we had to eliminate the room mics. Any advice?
Jan agreed. I guess the bigger question I have is it seems to me that, depending on the size of the room, you’ll have a significant amount of delay in the ears which I would think would throw timing off and/or create a smeared/out-of-phase type of issue. Are there any tricks, other than just setting levels (i.e. burying the room mics in your mix), to help mitigate those types of issues?
We don’t recommend people on stage use much of the room mics at front of house in their ears since those mics are getting the signal in our case 58ms after the initial source and you wouldn’t want to delay every channel trough the PA to match those mics. Instead, having mics facing the crowd that are in line with the PA / speakers (below, above or beside them) will give you a time aligned source that will allow you to hear the crowd / room from your perspective on stage. We do have a few people who like to hear a small amount of those room mics... when used in moderation, they basically sound like you are adding a room verb to your in ear mix. If your drummer is struggling with staying on click though, I’d advise him to not put any of that in his ears.
Great videao and usefull tips! I have one question regarding the Room mic. We want to use it to "fill" the overall sound in our videorecording and also inject it in the ears mix. But there is some delay between the board sound (which is right on time with input signals and the room mic 30meters away from to PAs. How do you manage it? For me, regarding video recording, since I just record the Main mix output from the board and the room mic, I just put a delay on the sound board signal (I can do that through the matrix channel, which impact only my recording and not the PA itself) but I cannot figure how to solve that issue for in ears monitoring. Any advice? :)
Put crowd/ambient mics onstage but pointed AT the crowd from stage (like theirs in video). It’ll solve delay issues, and the ambient room noise will match what you would actually hear from the stage. It will feel/sound a lot more natural to your ears. If you really want a room mic deeper in the room for broadcast/live stream, go for it, but I wouldn’t personally use that one for your room mic in your ears.
I agree with Alex. We don’t recommend people on stage use much of the room mics at front of house in their ears since those mics are getting the signal in our case 58ms after the initial source and you wouldn’t want to delay every channel trough the PA to match those mics. Instead, having mics facing the crowd that are in line with the PA / speakers will give you a time aligned source that will allow you to hear the room from your perspective on stage. We do have a few people who like to hear a small amount of those room mics... when used in moderation, they basically sound like you are adding a room verb to your in ear mix. Good call on how you‘re time aligning your mains to the room mics through a matrix!
So i just got my first in ears and i got a really cheap mono send3r and reciever (140usd). It works fine, but if i increase the aux send volumes too high (i wanted to keep my reciever at half volume) i got clipping. The sound level just drops when singing or playing guitar. But if i maxed out my reciever, and lowered the aux, no problem. I am thinking maybe my reciever needs to have full volume or else it is not having any headroom? Weird that the volume should correlate, but since it is cheap i mean it could be the case. Since if i had it on the lowest setting, i needed only turn aux up a little bit to get clipping.. but if i turned reciever higher, i could also turn the aux higher, the problem being then it got too loud😂 tips anyone? Or is it just the mixer thqt sucks?😂
Soo I have a question. We have just gone to IEM. I have noticed that my guitar amp that is miced, sounds thin and blah. I thought about using my Orange Micro Dark and going from the headphone jack and straight into the board, do I need a trs cable or a tr cable to the board. ANY advice would be awesome, and thank you for your channel.
Jeff Meyers Chances are it sounds thin because it’s been processed to fit the mix. Ask to hear it pre EQ / low cut if you want. Also, don’t forget mics like an SM57 boost a lot of upper mids and cut lows, so you can always use your amp EQ to counter that... I seriously recommend against the headphone output option
Ask if there's a hi cut at 7-9k on post EQ, or try pre EQ as Jobe suggested. Moving the mic a little closer to the edge of the speaker will probably help a fair amount.
I use 1964 Ears V6 Stage in ears. The company has since re-branded as ‘64 Audio’. They don’t have the v6 stage model anymore - I think the A6 would be comparable. Mine are custom molded 6-driver in ears, which can get pretty expensive. There are are a lot of more budget friendly options on the market that sound great.
If you want really good budget in ears, check out the KZ AS10’s on amazon for $50.99 right now. That’s an insane deal that would allow you to almost buy in ears for your whole team.
@@northwaybookn Is Fuller using AS10s? Watching the video they look like the ones I have. Either way, I second your comment, AS10s are great. Also been loving the work you've been doing on the channel. Our church is small, so I'm often the one learning how to run our M32r. I love the way you explain everything because we don't have a lot of local people to learn off.
This is awesome info. I struggle every Sunday with in ears especially when I sing lead also. What about dynamics. I find I can’t hear dynamics. It’s always the same volume. Any tips?
Sounds like there is probably a lot of compression being applied to the channels. Overly compressed signals will lack dynamics. You might also be running everything too loud, which will overload the gain structure of the entire mix into your headphones.
Depends on which Shure headphones. If they're the 215's, then a higher end pair of IEM's will sound a lot better. I used to use the 215's - there are a lot of better sounding options on the market now. But if you're lacking dynamics specifically, it's probably more of an issue with compression or gain staging.
Ok I’m a drummer, what do you do when your sound technicians are technically challenged? Everything is overly processed and certain frequency in your IEM scream at you especially high frequencies EG’s, cymbals and synth etc. Do I ask to be Pre Fader? I can barely function thank God for a click.
This could not be more perfect. Tomorrow is my first time using in ears at my church. Sooo excited it’s ridiculous
A GAME-CHANGER, Caleb! :)
Mine as well! Praise God
I really love how God utilizes before we know what the flesh is in need of. He knew already for He's not bound by time, yet He be our Great Alpha and Omega, King, High Priest, Only Rabbi and Friend.
Good luck boii🔥💯
Solomon Daniel thank you! It went amazing! Can’t wait to play again next Sunday!
Good mix! So much clarity and when you have this kind of clarity it makes your musicians play better and more in time!!! You will play better than you thought you could!!! Its amazing how much a clear mix with plenty of headroom helps the band dynamic!
This is absolutely true - we like to say that excellence attracts (and inspires) excellence.
Super helpful video! I'm a sound tech, musician and worship leader, but I've always found it difficult to explain these principles to our A/V techs. Please keep posting things like this, God Bless!
Brian, I've been playing for 40 years in some very recognizable bands, you sir have some amazing chops! Thankyou for sharing your knowledge!
As an aspiring sound engineer, this video helped me A LOT.
My rule of thumb has been panning different channels. I recently got some wavs custom IEMs and it’s been my first experience of using both ears in. I like keeping the click in my right ear so when I take my left out there’s no bleed through in my mic. But definitely watch the “one ear in-one ear out” method because that could cause some damage to your ears (you’ll want to increase the volume of your IEM to hear instinctually). All-in-all such a helpful video guys!
Duuude! You’re always a beast - love the fix you lead in there! RESPECT
Maaan....your videos so informative and helpful! Thank you that you are serving us! 😊👍💪
Thanks so much!
Shared with my team last week and implemented Saturday and Sunday. It was life-changing!!! Thanks so much
I've been doing the dastardly deed of pulling one bud out -- not doing that anymore despite a mediocre IEM mix. I'm fairly certain it eventually led to a brief bout of vertigo and there is documentation/support on this. Since you can put both buds in and drop the levels by 6 decibels for the same perceived volume, it's obvious there will be a tendency to blast one ear as well as cause an imbalance in the brain due to the ears hearing completely different things.
Which really takes me back to advising many churches to either avoid or approach IEMs very carefully. Churches are just notorious for trying to do something on a shoestring ( adopt IEM but don't allow extra sound check time -- or any sound check time, no ambient/room mics, no pannable mix, no training ) In our case this led to the quiet stage/IEM effort resulting in only 4 musicians ( no vocalists) using IEMs. Not meaning to vent on my own situation here, but those with podiums and audiences need to express these cautions.
This was so good and spot on. I am like Fuller in that I love having a lot of ambience and I want it to sound like the album. We use a stereo pair of large diaphragm condensers with low cuts and it’s such a difference maker. I build my mix dry first and then slowly add the ambience. Taking out one in ear for the whole set is such a bad habit and can be very Damaging. Taking one ear out immediately makes the level in the remaining ear feel about 6db lower which causes you to raise the volume on your pack. You then put the other ear back in and wonder why you’re mix is so loud. A monitor engineer friend in the secular world once told me that if he sees people with one ear out the entire set, it’s typically a sign of a bad in ear mix and they might just need some better mixing and ambience. Great video.
Also, Fuller I remember playing with you at FRC. Looks like you’re doing great now. Love following this channel.
I look down at the comments section and the first comment I see is Rob! Hey bro!
@@WinnerOlmann lol what's up my dude!!
@@roblopez6689 Good bro! Got some 64 a6t's coming in a few weeks!
This is great guys. In ear mix is so frustrating at times. Great tips shared.
First of all, pulling off that “fix you” lead in the song was amazing lol.
I love that Coldplay is the default Christian rock tone
Great video! Thanks Brian. 👍🏼
Great video, although I do not agree with the part from 07.00-09.00. It is true that it is best to have your signal to IEM post Eq, but NOT post Compressor. If you choose the post compressor tap as a send, the vocals or musicians do not have the right control over the dynamics they are producing. I (as a sound guy) tried both options in our worship band and it was obvious that post compressor had a bad impact on the performance, especially the vocals. Also they sensed the difference and preferred pre compressor, so they could correctly anticipate on the dynamic they put in the voice or instrument. On the X32 use 'Post EQ' as setting in your sends.
That’s a great point. I like how the X32 lets do do that individually with EQ and compression.
Super video with great practical tips and advice. Thanks, guys..
Brian and Fuller, its not about Keto or other diet fads. Your body is an engine and works best with the right mixture of fuel, air and spark. First figure out your BMR, your burn of calories just at rest. I recommend My Macros Plus app, it will interview you in a few minutes and put together a plan of proteins, carbs and fats that will maximize your calorie burn for your stated goal. It also contains a library of foods that you can build your own library of foods. You will then find out exactly what your eating in relationship to what MM+ set for you. It will change your life and fat will drop. You have to be strict with entering info. on food and water intake everyday. You cannot trak P, C or F by guessing. Best of Luck with your 20 day goal and Thanks for all the wonderful content.
I use a matte finish screen protector, gets rid of the screen glare.
Thanks for this video it was very informative.
I play the Fix You solo in that instrumental section after the chorus 🤤
Soon I'll use in ear monitors but,my guitar playing needs work but,by God's grace I'll get better
Great video for those just starting with IEM’s and great reminder for those that use them constantly. Brian-Still waiting for the DM regarding you selling me that Sparkle Gretsch....??
Just did a 30 day healthy Eating challenge myself. Cut out gluten, dairy, sugar, coffee, and processed foods. I ate only healthy snacks and ended up losing 13 pounds in one month. Feel better, more energy and my pants fit again.
You should be several weeks in and feeling great by now. Can’t wait to hear the update!
Thanks! The sparkle jet isn’t going anywhere yet 😎
Regarding the health - yeah it’s been almost 3 weeks now. I’ve done well - only ‘cheated’ maybe twice. I’m down about 10 pounds and feel great. I also joined a CrossFit gym (back in August), so about three days a week I just try not to die between 7:30 and 8:30 am 😂
@@worshiptutorials B.Wahl- LOL, That's awesome, gotta take care of the body. Sounds like you're well on your way, keep it up!
Sad to hear about the Gretsch though, Alas, I will admire her from afar... : (
I understand, I don't think i would sell or get rid of the one I have, unless you wanted to make a trade. Limited edition...Copper body,,,jaguar tan top....String thru bigsby? Hmmm?
Trying these iem tips today as I lead :)
Your church looks very much like one of the churches my team led worship in Colorado last year. (and all the equipment you described)
that's why when people ask me I always advise only go to in ear monitoring if you are willing to do it whole hog, probably requiring a consultant to pull it off..... otherwise don't do it half baked....we have theoretically been on in ears with "quiet stage" for 6 or 7 years and only about three people on the team use earbuds....
Thanks for the IEM walkthrough! Circling back to a video a few weeks ago "if Jesus is in your heart, please inform your face" while you're on stage! Watch the GoPro footage you posted here. ;)
Very helpful video 👍🏻🙏🏻
The vocalist on tremble has a wonderful voice!
She does - she is a great vocalist and worship leader.
+1
Amen 💜
Super helpful video! I am a bass guitarist and have only joined worship teams at youth and church in the last 5-ish months. I'd be really interested to hear your bass guitarist's IEM mix.
So good!
Awesome video, thanks a lot! God bless!
Hi! Very informative stuff. I would like one video about Music Director and/or Band Director. Are they different? Should be different also from a Worship Leaders? What is their roles and what aptitudes are needed? How to include one in the worship team? Thanks
Pro Tip for Dave and I’m sure he knows this... but the triggers he’s using for gates, you don’t have to use up a channel in order to use triggers. You can plug in a drum trigger to the DL251 or whatever Midas stagebox you’re using and reference that stage box input from your drum channel in the key section of the gate. Only down fall is then not being able to control stagebox gain if it’s not on a channel. But still a cool function
Jesse Coonen Appreciate that Jesse. We run them into a channel for 2 reasons. The first is so we can monitor their gains and make sure they have good input levels each week. We have various drummers and some hulk smash the drums while others hit them much lighter. Don’t want them peaking (even though the click they make has about the same sound either way) because that raises their noise floor and means there’s a greater chance of the gates opening for symbols and other drums.
The second reason is that the gate key ins don’t have a tape return input on the Midas like other channels so running the triggers into channels is how we feed the trigger signal that are captured back through those channel’s tape returns during virtual playback, then to their direct outs which are always patched to the gate keys.
Dave Bookhout That does make a lot of sense. Doesn’t seem like y’all are hungry for open channels either. Just a thing I realized a few months back.
Our IEM personal mixers are capable of moving different channels from left to right. I'd love to hear some instructions on what channels should be in both ears, what channels should be panned right or left, etc, to clear things up.
I can give you 2 examples of how panning can be used:
1) I'd say stick all the channels you need to focus on (eg own instrument, lead vox, MD, click, kick, snare etc) in the middle. I like the other channels panned from my perspective, eg if the elec guitar is on my right, I will pan the EG slightly to the right. Though I always pan bass to the centre, as you wouldn't normally hear bass in just one ear. I do this as it helps me feel almost as if i wasn't using in ears, as the sounds are coming from the right places. Make sure to hard pan (pan all the way) stereo signals, eg keys, tracks, ambient mics if you have them.
2) Some people use panning in more extreme ways for seperation, by putting some channels all the way into one ear or the other. I personally don't like this as I think it would lead to vastly different volumes in the different ears, and also sounds odd to me.
Play around with it, see what works best for you! :)
Hope that helps!
This is great advice and some great practical elements, is it possible to hear Fullers mix at some point or one of the worship leaders mixes just to get a different perspective?
Thats a great sound what are you running your guitar through, I'm using a headrush pedal board and using in ear monitoring, this is all new to me so on the learning curve, the idea of an individual in ear mix sounds good.
Key takeaway for your in-ear mix "always start with yourself, and then slowly start bringing other things up" (Post FX - PRE-Fader)
Good video. Entertaining and informative. It sounds like your vocals have some light tuning. How are you doing that?
You can connect your Go Pro to your in-ear mix?! I need a Go Pro now
Listen to waynaker IYC 18 with donkey Kong. His in ear mix is good but you should try that guitar part they did
Why does the main mix sound like it's clipping?? Is it off a video cam recording?
Tommi Hirvonen We had an issue in the encoding software we use to broadcast online on the sunday we shot this. It’s definitely not supposed to sound like that :)
Dave Bookhout Ah fair, been having a similar issue occasionally as well
Oh good, someone else is hearing it. I thought my speakers were shot
Thank you for the video, really useful. How is the input gain problem solve?
great video, thank you. There is good with technological enhancements to help, support, to play better and give a better performance in worship, though In regard to physical analogue, confidence and team cohesion I would recommend not to leave out sessions/jams that are purely instrumental and analogue in worship therefore working effectively with one Mind and Soul, hearing everyone else with pure instrumental harmony, for I believe its important that our minds, ears and heart collaborate with others, figuring out if they need help when tired or boosting their confidence by giving them the lead, having a back and forth as if musical conversation having Christ be present though His Holy Spirit as Witness and Comforter.
The beep at 5:37 was a note on the keyboard player behind you! :-) Thanks for the video!!!
Matt Mason God Bless! Yeah. I was turning down one of the faders 🎚 for the Pads patch and apparently I touched one of the black Keys 🎹. 😂 Thank you for watching the video and God Bless You!
Great info. Can Behringer XR18 send specific mixes as post fx etc? or, does everyone's mix get the same pre/post mixes?
I know this was about IEM mixing and what not...but I’m glad that I’m not the only one that thinks Starbucks coffee is terrible.
Brian.....how to choose in-ears for guitar player? Did you choose in-ears because of frequencies? Is there models of inears that you specialy like as a guitar player? Thank you!
What I find astonishing is just how radically different the church is from just a couple decades ago… it’s 100% unrecognizable…
Talk about gain structure. The house mix was blowing out the doors on the recording.
Yeah that was actually the stream/live mix, and there was an issue that was causing it to distort. It wasn't like that in the house, and it's not typically like that on the stream either. Wasn't much I could do about it in post, though.
Hi, can I know what IEM you use and also for worship leader?
Worship Tutorials I'm considering buying in ear monitors what's your advice what's a good starting kit I've also play keyboard what do you recommend me to do
Your in-ear mix sounds better than the front of house mix 🤣
Ha if you’re a guitar player then this is the mix for you!
We have a Behringer x32 and not sure how to do my in-ears as "Pre-Fader - Post Effects". How do I do this?
post effects
So what personal monitor amplifier were you using?
What was the intro music? Sounds like copyright friendly Fix You by Coldplay.
Ren Outlaw I’m pretty sure it was ‘Way Maker’ with the guitar lead playing that riff.
It was the band playing the chorus of Way Maker and I just did the lead part of Fix You on top of it
@@worshiptutorials oh cool. One of my all time favorite lead lines
what church was that intro filmed at? I feel like I've been there before
Did I catch a Dr. Steve Brule reference there at the end???? I thought I was the only one
We recently implement digital sound with an behringer x32, and pm1, but I have a problem. I use a pod go to play acoustic and electric guitar, and when I prepare the patches with the same inears plugged to the pod go directly sound great, but wen I use it on church (pod go direct to PA with xlr balanced) the sound I get on my in ears is too harsh and mid rangy, Iwe don’t know what happens, in ears monitors are pre fader and pre Eq, but still sounding very harsh, can you give me some advice?
Hey can you send outside dimensions of the stage?
Not sure if this will be seen since this video is almost 3 years old but when you say to set your in ear mix to post fx, do you mean on each individual channel? Or on the in ear mix bus itself? I am still learning so forgive my ignorance :)
Do you need to put any delay on the mics which are at the console.
Today is my first gig ever using ear monitors , let’s see how it goes .
Update best investment I’ve ever made on gear . I’m so excited. No more caring heavy monitors and no more back stage noise . And you could use as much volume as you want without getting any feedback.
@@juansantana9678 How are you using them? Is your band amp-less or are you using stage amps and micing everything up?
@@JimmysGuitarShop we still use 1 stage monitor but before we use to carry 4 . Plus all the front house speakers all speakers are amplified
Can you Offer the earphones brand name for me ? And if I buy to bring it to cambodia which it good for me.
What Helix patch did you use in this video?
How do you route a stereo signal to be just one mix on the iPad app?
I saw the room/crowd mics but missed whether the in-ear mixes can be panned( stereo ). For example put bass and drums in one ear, vocals in the other, guitars in both etc??
Our mixes are mono so the individual instruments can’t be panned. It all depends on your hardware and how it’s set up.
@@worshiptutorials Watching your other 360 degree view video, I would have thought they were stereo. Good mixing, EQ plus room mics I guess.
What pedalboard are you using on this video??
Fernando Garcia Helix 👌🏻
You didn't mention our #1 IEM challenge. The bass, drum, and lead guitar players all say they don't get enough bass. They want to "feel" it, not just hear it. In fact, they have brought back a wedge so they can have more bass presence. There are so many potential issues here, I'm not sure where to start. To begin with, an IEM with a quarter-inch driver (at best) is not going to have the same bass response as a 12" wedge speaker. Also, the band is, of course, on the wrong side of the speakers that the audience is listening to. So the bass is blowing the pants off the people in the front row and reverberating around the room in a big muddy mess, while our drummer is saying he can't hear himself and telling the sound guy to turn him up. In addition to the technical issues, there may be personal issues. Hearing loss, maybe, or just frustrated wannabe rock stars who won't be happy until the whole building is vibrating. One thing I have thought of is setting up bass shakers for these guys. It's like a personal sub-woofer-a sub driver without a cone that attaches to their platform, chair, or a body pack. That should give them the feel they want without blowing away everyone else in the room. Any suggestions?
I think the biggest thing here would be to get better headphone or in ear monitors.
Cheaper in ears (even if they’re multiple drivers) won’t have the same bass response as higher end in-ears.
My 64 Audio in ears can make my head shake if I want to.
For your drummer, you might try using some over the ear headphones - those will typically give you better bass response and not cost a ton. Something by Beyerdynamic it Sennheiser. Even Beats might be a good option. Beats are horrible for getting an accurate representation of the mix, but good if you want really hyped bass response.
@@worshiptutorials You are also dealing with physics here. Bass waves are LONGER than treble ones and they take longer to crest and crash as it were. The lower frequencies are often not 'heard' so much as 'felt.' This is also why in ears are a bit of a disadvantage because the waves don't shake the bones in your head the same way without going through the air first. Sometimes it is also overlap from the keyboard - the pianist is playing notes in their left had that the bass player is playing. We have 18' subwoofers under the stage and they blow people's hair back if they are too high. I know the goal is a noise-free stage, but sometimes the in-ears 'hit their lid' as Fuller said, especially in the lower end.
Yeah, while good in-ears with 6 or so drivers will let you hear bass and kick much better than a set of single driver shure 215’s for example, some drummers / bass players have to feel it to feel comfortable. A couple kicker subs might be a great solution in that case.
2 or 3 butt kickers under the stage will give a good sense of bass feel for the kick and bass guitar. Minimal stage noise and all the bass feel.
Which worship tutorials patch are you using in this video? or is it a custom preset you made that hasn’t been released? Because it sounds amazing and would love to have it! love you videos
Thanks!
I’m using the song patches that are on the site or each song. We don’t have a patch for Free (the first song) - that was the Match JMP patch (or maybe Brian’s patch).
Most all the song patches on the site are either the Match JMP or Brian’s patches with effects and snapshots set up for that specific song.
Nice tone Brian. Were you using Helix?
Wondering what preset you were using
Can you call my sound team please thanks.. I have everything wrong in my mixes every change they make I hear .I have maxed channels , I have mega loud clicks or mini hidden clicks. help bro
WolvesAndGuitars Where are you guys located?
In ear mix are used in 1 side of your phone or in both sides?
Is a Mono or Stereo IEM that you use?
what app were you using?
Hey Brian, thank you for this video, really helpful stuff. In the process of setting up a church plant so this was great, I will look into the consoles you mentioned. Also a separate question about what I saw at your church, what do you guys use for putting lyrics up on the wall? Looks separate from the screens. Also...Whole30 is awesome, it’ll change your life, good call!
Mark Ward good stuff!
We take the same lyrics source from Pro Presenter that‘s keyed over cameras on the lower 3rd of the side screens. That same source gets keyed over the graphics on the LED wall using a second ME on our switcher. There is some scaling involved to get it sized correctly but that’s probably a little too complicated to explain here.
I can control my in ear mix with an iPhone... the problems I have are 1, no real sound check , 2 the mixes are not pannable, everything's mono and three , we don't have any ambient mics.... so I'm very careful with the volume but still pull one bud out to hear the room better.... Also I share my channel on alternate weeks with another guitarist so if the sound technician has to adjust the channel trim or gain you may have to drop out of practicing a song in order to adjust your in ear mix
Depends on the mixer you use, of course, but on our X32, we have sufficient channels that we can set it up such that each musician has their own channel - so Guitar 1 and Guitar 2, for example, and also each can have their own mixbus. Save good settings on the mixer after every service so they're there next week. If a musician isn't playing, just mute their channel.
@@peterconnolly2724 Are the musicians' in-ear mixes pannable? Can they blend in the feed from ambient/room mics? I don't know which is more critical but both would be nice. Brian indicated their IEM mixes are mono ( not pannable) but I suspect they have room mics PLUS the expertise and time invested to make sure those IEM mixes are as close to perfect as possible.
I suspect one mistake I'm making is having some instruments and background vocals in my ears I don't really need -- better off without in our situation. I'm not going to pull one bud out anymore as I'm suspecting it has led to a minor case of vertigo.
I've finally given up on IEMs. Got a great pair of IEMs, am very technically skilled, and have been leading worship and running sound for over 30 years. I just can;t get over the disconnected feeling when using them. Tried adding ambient sound, great EQ, lots of practice, still just can't even come close to a nice wedge on the ground in front of me. Good discipline with stage volumes can totally keep it from getting out of control. Plus, I sing flat every time I use IEMS. Not something I've ever struggled with using live sound from a wedge.
What app is on the iPad?
skeetor84 It’s the Midas mixtender app that works with the Midas Pro series consoles.
holy cow i haven't heard a female vocalist destroy Tremble like that since seeing Mariah actually doing it O_O *Destroy in a good way
Great video! I have a question about the ambient mics though. How do you deal with the delay you’d hear from those mics? We’ve had issues with the drummer listening more to the room than the click and subsequently getting way out of time with the rest of the band so we had to eliminate the room mics. Any advice?
That was a problem with your drummers levels not with your setup.
Jan agreed. I guess the bigger question I have is it seems to me that, depending on the size of the room, you’ll have a significant amount of delay in the ears which I would think would throw timing off and/or create a smeared/out-of-phase type of issue. Are there any tricks, other than just setting levels (i.e. burying the room mics in your mix), to help mitigate those types of issues?
We don’t recommend people on stage use much of the room mics at front of house in their ears since those mics are getting the signal in our case 58ms after the initial source and you wouldn’t want to delay every channel trough the PA to match those mics. Instead, having mics facing the crowd that are in line with the PA / speakers (below, above or beside them) will give you a time aligned source that will allow you to hear the crowd / room from your perspective on stage. We do have a few people who like to hear a small amount of those room mics... when used in moderation, they basically sound like you are adding a room verb to your in ear mix. If your drummer is struggling with staying on click though, I’d advise him to not put any of that in his ears.
@@northwaybookn Thanks Dave! That makes a ton of sense. I appreciate the advice!
Great videao and usefull tips! I have one question regarding the Room mic. We want to use it to "fill" the overall sound in our videorecording and also inject it in the ears mix. But there is some delay between the board sound (which is right on time with input signals and the room mic 30meters away from to PAs. How do you manage it?
For me, regarding video recording, since I just record the Main mix output from the board and the room mic, I just put a delay on the sound board signal (I can do that through the matrix channel, which impact only my recording and not the PA itself) but I cannot figure how to solve that issue for in ears monitoring.
Any advice? :)
Put crowd/ambient mics onstage but pointed AT the crowd from stage (like theirs in video). It’ll solve delay issues, and the ambient room noise will match what you would actually hear from the stage. It will feel/sound a lot more natural to your ears. If you really want a room mic deeper in the room for broadcast/live stream, go for it, but I wouldn’t personally use that one for your room mic in your ears.
I agree with Alex. We don’t recommend people on stage use much of the room mics at front of house in their ears since those mics are getting the signal in our case 58ms after the initial source and you wouldn’t want to delay every channel trough the PA to match those mics. Instead, having mics facing the crowd that are in line with the PA / speakers will give you a time aligned source that will allow you to hear the room from your perspective on stage. We do have a few people who like to hear a small amount of those room mics... when used in moderation, they basically sound like you are adding a room verb to your in ear mix.
Good call on how you‘re time aligning your mains to the room mics through a matrix!
Dave Bookhout thank you so much for your answer, that’s reassure me , I will work it in that way :)
Alex Street thank you very much for your answer, so I’m not crazy after all :p
So i just got my first in ears and i got a really cheap mono send3r and reciever (140usd). It works fine, but if i increase the aux send volumes too high (i wanted to keep my reciever at half volume) i got clipping. The sound level just drops when singing or playing guitar. But if i maxed out my reciever, and lowered the aux, no problem. I am thinking maybe my reciever needs to have full volume or else it is not having any headroom? Weird that the volume should correlate, but since it is cheap i mean it could be the case. Since if i had it on the lowest setting, i needed only turn aux up a little bit to get clipping.. but if i turned reciever higher, i could also turn the aux higher, the problem being then it got too loud😂 tips anyone? Or is it just the mixer thqt sucks?😂
Soo I have a question.
We have just gone to IEM. I have noticed that my guitar amp that is miced, sounds thin and blah. I thought about using my Orange Micro Dark and going from the headphone jack and straight into the board, do I need a trs cable or a tr cable to the board.
ANY advice would be awesome, and thank you for your channel.
Jeff Meyers Chances are it sounds thin because it’s been processed to fit the mix. Ask to hear it pre EQ / low cut if you want. Also, don’t forget mics like an SM57 boost a lot of upper mids and cut lows, so you can always use your amp EQ to counter that... I seriously recommend against the headphone output option
Ask if there's a hi cut at 7-9k on post EQ, or try pre EQ as Jobe suggested. Moving the mic a little closer to the edge of the speaker will probably help a fair amount.
Which earphones do you use? I want to buy me some, but I don't know which are good
I use 1964 Ears V6 Stage in ears. The company has since re-branded as ‘64 Audio’.
They don’t have the v6 stage model anymore - I think the A6 would be comparable.
Mine are custom molded 6-driver in ears, which can get pretty expensive. There are are a lot of more budget friendly options on the market that sound great.
If you want really good budget in ears, check out the KZ AS10’s on amazon for $50.99 right now. That’s an insane deal that would allow you to almost buy in ears for your whole team.
@@northwaybookn Is Fuller using AS10s? Watching the video they look like the ones I have. Either way, I second your comment, AS10s are great.
Also been loving the work you've been doing on the channel. Our church is small, so I'm often the one learning how to run our M32r. I love the way you explain everything because we don't have a lot of local people to learn off.
This is awesome info. I struggle every Sunday with in ears especially when I sing lead also. What about dynamics. I find I can’t hear dynamics. It’s always the same volume. Any tips?
Sounds like there is probably a lot of compression being applied to the channels. Overly compressed signals will lack dynamics.
You might also be running everything too loud, which will overload the gain structure of the entire mix into your headphones.
So you would say it’s not my head phones. I have the Shure head phones.
Depends on which Shure headphones. If they're the 215's, then a higher end pair of IEM's will sound a lot better. I used to use the 215's - there are a lot of better sounding options on the market now.
But if you're lacking dynamics specifically, it's probably more of an issue with compression or gain staging.
Thank you for your time and help. It’s really appreciated.
Ok I’m a drummer, what do you do when your sound technicians are technically challenged? Everything is overly processed and certain frequency in your IEM scream at you especially high frequencies EG’s, cymbals and synth etc. Do I ask to be Pre Fader? I can barely function thank God for a click.
Get new ones
All P&W music is Coldplay, I thought all of you knew that
Sounds like the FOH mix is distorting, is that just a video editing thing or does the mix have some distortion?
Yeah this was the live feed audio (technically not the exact FOH mix, but close), and it was distorting. Not much I was able to do with it, though.
Worship Tutorials ahhh I see, thanks for the info!
Good ear! We had a weird distortion happing that our web stream (wirecast) software was introducing this week post broadcast mix. 🤦🏻♂️
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Pre fader your mix!!!! Unless you’re a pro at riding faders stop mixing post fader
Post effects? Seriously... Get to know you terms right.. You meant Post EQ or Pre Fader.. Not the same as fx
It’s post fader. Pre fader pre eq Christian Bedouin
Been through a lot of videos of people with IEMs, can't they just talk about tech without pushing their beliefs? Can't stand them.
Probably because churches make up a huge portion of the venues that have live music consistently with musicians using IEM’s 🤷🏻♂️
@@worshiptutorials still... it doesn't have anything to do if you're satanist or christian with the use of IEM or any other gear for that matter💫
That’s true. Just offering an explanation for why it shows up in a lot of the content, though.
Bloody awful… clipping again and again…
For the sake of accountability….get back to the diet
God the audio is awful guys, clipping badly