I think Jax might abstract next as well because in episode 3 Kinger said „The worst thing you can do here is making someone feel not wanted or loved“ and that sentence seems fitting Jax‘s situation the most since everyone except for him has a sort of friend or at least a person who cares about them or made them feel like that. But Jax has no friends and everyone hates him. Gooseworx even confirmed that…
Especially since I heard a psychologist say that the key to living a long healthy life was community. Something Jax is depriving himself of by being a jerk. Y'know how Zooble and Pomni comforted Gangle when she was feeling sad? Well Jax won't get that, the others have set up too many barriers for him
With the way he treats people, especially Gangle, I don't blame them one bit. Jax did this to himself. Gooseworx said Jax deserved to be there the most so I really have zero sympathy for him@Micah-NOT-TOAST
Caine abstracting seems like the perfect endgame for the end of the series. It could force them to find a way out or face their own assured doom together.
My money's on Caine going crazy after realizing no one truly likes his adventures and in his fit accidentally makes an in house adventure that leads to the void where he is. All the abstractions get let out somehow. The gang will have to go through the new "level" to get to Caine and when going through it they realize that Caine's adventures are what changed them in character and got him to believe he has purpose again. And I feel like with abstractions on the loose and the affect the void had on Pomni that an abstraction will maybe wonder into the void and could possibly give them enough peace to revert to normal (but that idea is just speculation).
That would sure be a one ppl won't expect like Goose was talking about. Ppl wouldn't expect an AI to abstract but he does take up space just like the humans so he can probably glitch out too, with even more consequences than just a weird looking eyeball giraffe
You know, Gooseworx is a bit of a deltarune fan And you know what happens in deltarune? Spamton, the personification of a spam email, is insane, who speaks in glitchy tone Alex rochon, who voices Caine, has a few videos of him voice acting spamton and lots of people consider him to be the canon voice of spamton Spamton is linked to control, just like Caine controls the circus, and talks about heaven and being a god, like how Caine is a biblical name and Caine is the god of the circus And the abstractions have pink and yellow eyes, just like spamton
That kind of brings me back to when Goose said "By the end, only true Jax fans will still stand by him." course many interpreted it as Jax doing something so awful or farfetched, only a few people will still like him, but after Ep 4 and seeing many more people read between the lines on Jax's character and actions, it may have been a tongue in cheek way of saying "Those who watch the show and really understand Jax will know why he ended up how he did and those who just listen to the twitter posts getting offended by Jax will be "glad he's gone". There's evidence in the short where all the characters turn into Mini figures, Jax is the last one to Abstract and reacts strongly as if being afraid of the fact that he's alone while saying he wanted to confess something. Plus his words and actions heavily imply that Jax DOES care about others, he just doesn't want them to get too emotionally attached where they end up going crazy, cause every time he mentions someone has "abstracted" or is "gone" he seems to pause and has a strong exhaperation in his voice. almost like saying "could've been avoided....if he just took a deep breath...." like he's trying to tell everyone "Lets not take this too seriously, cause if you do, that's the only way you end up snapping and losing yourself." Plus when we do see Jax get genuinely angry, it's always because others (namely Ragatha) are restricting his freedom physically and justifying it by the fear that he will do something dangerous or "wrong", and when Gangle tells Caine to administer a punishment, he has a very "You...didn't.... why would you do this!?" look reinforcing that the fastest way for them to abstract is to give Caine the right and power to do so. If anyone's going to abstract, I can see Jax being the one not because of what others do to him, but because everyone gets so broken and lets their insecurity get to them to the point that Caine starts to take away the one freedom they have, their own mind. Something about the way Jax is worried in the mini figure episode and instead of being stunned in the last pose he was in like everyone else, he's forced to a creepy smile with a "gotcha" finger point, the only one changing pose against his will. So if it's him, it's likely cause Caine broke his mind by breaking everyone else to conform to whatever Caine feels is the right path for everyone to enjoy the circus.
Kinger: has already survived the worst the circus has to offer, unlikely to go down now. Zooble: Despite their problems, they're possibly the most well adjusted member of the circus Gangle: made a breakthrough after opening up to zooble, feels like she started on the road to recovery, I doubt she'll abstract Jax and Ragatha: Both have isolated themselves from the others. Jax because no one trusts him after all the terrible things he's done and he might end up in a situation where no one wants to help him, Ragatha because she never shares her true thoughts and feelings, and I feel that the others may not be able to help her because they simply don't know the real Ragatha, and they don't know how much she actually needs help. I could see either of them abstracting, but I'm leaning towards Ragatha because Jax has already taken baby steps towards opening up when he tried to be genuine with pomni in episode 4. It's a small step, but a step in the right direction regardless. Pomni: if Pomni abstracts I may never recover, therefore she wont abstract (copium)
I'm thinking Abstraction is a red heron. I think one or more of the circus members are going to get fed up with the adventures and Caine is going to go crazy and keep glitching out more and more until the circus starts falling apart.
The theory of Jax abstracting because something related to Ragatha makes me wonder if its possible that she also unintentionally was the cause of Kaufmo's abstration. Jax seemed surprised of seeing Kaufmo abstracted when they opened the door and the first thing Ragatha did after Kaufmo abstracted was to apologize to him for not laughing at his jokes. So maybe some interaction between Ragatha and him was what led to his abstraction and with something similar potentially happening to Jax in the future.
Could be possible. But I honestly think she was just trying to calm him down? Maybe she believed that a part of Kaufmo was still there, able to be saved, so she went on negotiating. Gangle also mentioned not laughing at his jokes. Perhaps they just weren’t as close with him as Jax (supposedly) was. Obviously, they all felt bad for the loss, since he was missing, but they probably didn’t appreciate him enough when he was still present. Maybe he was just the guy trying to make everyone laugh, while failing miserably. Probably it all got to him, everyone not laughing at his jokes, and had a tool on him, although for the others it wasn’t that much of a deal. So to him, he was a clown. Kept trying to entertain and make others laugh while they didn’t actually care that much. I don’t think Ragatha, or anyone in the circus directly caused his abstraction, I think it just was a pile of stuff that got to him. Not being able to get out, being stuck in there, while also feeling stuck with people who don’t appreciate you enough. This is just my take on it, though.
Yeah, I think Jax's reaction to Kaufmo abstracting revealed a lot more information about what he understands about abstraction cause the way he tried to avoid telling everyone else what happened to Kaufmo and he seems to hesitate and sigh when he tries to explain why Kaufmo ended up the way he did. Like when he said "Never seen him happier!" He knows Kaufmo went crazy because no one found him funny and he saw all those "Escape" scribbles all over the room (especially given Jax had access to every room anyway) so in his own way, he tries to remind the others not to take things too seriously and learn to relax or else they end up abstracted, and when he sees them abstract. It's very much like hearing a friend is suicidal and you try to convince them not to do it, but they do it anyway cause they just can't take it anymore, and Jax is basically like "The only reason he's gone is because he put so much pressure on himself to get perfect scores.... I told him it's not a big deal to get a B- but he still offed himself because he thought he was a failure. How can we help prevent people from offing themselves over this if we keep acting like it's the end of the world when this stuff happens?" That's kind of what I got out of his reaction for Kaufmo. It's very hard to accept when a friend ends themselves, but it's even worse when you know they only did it because they were so far gone there was really no saving them, over something not worth losing your life over.
In my opinion, I believe that Jax COULD abstract, or he's the closest to abstracting, but in terms of him actually abstracting, I feel like the chances are pretty slim, as he is definitely one of the most popular in the series. Even if Jax has no one to talk to since he pushes everyone away, the only person who doesn't seem to think of him that way 100% is Pomni. We see Jax actually act a bit normal to Pomni in episode 4. I feel like maybe Jax could maybe open up to Pomni at some point in episode 5 or 6, rather it be because of an argument he got into, or something else, and him opening up to Pomni could help him a lot mentally. I don't know if Jax would stop being the way he is necessarily, but maybe he would stop feeling so bad and maybe not be as close to abstracting if that were to happen. (I'm pretty sure Goose Worx said something about Jax and Pomni before. I don't remember though.)
Their dynamic would be an interesting one.. Pomni is a very compassionate and forgiving person (helping Gummigoo after he stole syrup and almost impaled her, helping Gangle even though she was bossy) but my question would be is Jax deserving of consolation after everything he's done and will Pomni ignore him in his darkest moments because she seems to already set up barriers.. ( Not answering his "how are you" sincerely)
Yeah Jax is the most interesting character because while he seems like a stereotypical bully, those who really watch him know he's not. He's more a "realist" than a bully as his words and responses are often carried with a "IT's a fake world, so try not to let it get to you. Don't want you to end up like this guy over here." Note he only gets genuinely angry when people do take the world so seriously they effectively make it like the real world, and like Zooble said "Caine only leaves us alone because he likes us. Do you want to take a chance?" which caused him to stop acting up, but not out of fear of getting in trouble, more so out of depression as he realizes "so this is what the afterlife's like? Walk the straight and narrow cause a couple of people have the thinnest skin...." After all, he didn't really do anything to Gangle when he got "punished". He just said "I like you better when you're sad" in response to her obnoxious bossy nature and she "punished" him by dragging him to a dark room and torturing him for several minutes. Then when he ends the shift, he announces "it was NOT fun! Never want to do this again!" before slowly sauntering to his car and slamming his face against the wheel like "You idiot..... you ruined what little freedom we had...." I think as others try to understand what he's trying to say, it'll lead to him opening up more in a different way than most people expect. Like imagine in episode 2 if there was someone else who agreed with him that they should just go ham on the virtual world and "have a good time", it would look like he was a jerk destroyign the kingdom, but he'd have "Fun" and Caine would see it as "Good you're happy! I'm doing my job well! I can leave you alone then!" instead of trying to "motivate them" because they keep complaining about how unfun the worlds are. We saw how quickly he shut Zooble up, but if anything, Zooble is the one person Jax would respect the most because she too is cynical about this world, but she's also the most sensible and direct about what she thinks.
@@MarioMastarIndeed, Zooble might be hostile and can hate Jax in many terms but after seeing the episodes both of them are the only ones that can talk to each other normally.
Imagine this: Kinger (in the dark) remembers how he created the digital circus and how he is at fault for all the character's suffering. So he abstracts because he can't handle the guilt
I could see it. Reminds me of how people initially thought Jax created the virtual world but Kinger "supposedly has been there the longest" sounds like he's way older than everyone else, and is the only one so far to not say something about wanting to escape the world (as even Jax said "Don't you think we've tried that before?" when laughing at Pomni's futile efforts to take off the headset. Plus the fact that Kinger has gone through losing his wife (twice allegedly) and all this stuff and still hasn't abstracted kind of makes him the unexpected candidate. Holding on to his guilt... I like your theory a lot.
My opinion kinger ~ I doubt kinger will abstract because he deals with memory problem more than he does insanity problems and either way he seems like he’s able to cope with them pretty easily Gangle ~ I think gangle will not abstract either because she seemed more depressed than she does crazy or on edge and because she’s able to open up to at least one character about her problems and she can cope by drawing I don’t she’ll abstract Ragatha~ She seems like she’s putting up a façade tbh to me her kindness just seems not really genuine or forced and in her rant she mentions how their lives are pointless which I think that combined with having to keep up the façade could drive her insane Pomni~ although at the beginning of the season Pomni seemed very on edge it seems like she’s getting used to the digital circus life and because she is the main character she has a lot plot armor so I don’t she’s going to be the one to abstract if anyone Zooble~ Zooble’s kindness seems very genuine and authentic which I think will make her a pretty well likened character in the circus and while Zooble definitely has their own metal problems they seem to deal with it quite well also as mentioned in this video and by Goosworx her self Zooble will be in all eps including 9 so unless they abstract in the last episode I think it would be impossible Jax~ I think Jax is the mostly to abstract because he isn’t really open about his problems possibly because he doesn’t want be seen as vulnerable but I don’t know anyway although he may not be as evil as we thought he was at the beginning it still looks like that how the other characters see him leading to him not being well liked which would make it hard for him to find someone to talk to about his problems even if he wanted to him not really being able to talk to anybody could drive him insane So overall I think if anyone abstracts it’ll be Jax or ragatha
I sort of knock characters off the abstraction list if we’ve already got an episode about them AND they live, but even then they mostly go in the maybe/possibly. Except Kinger. Kinger is definitely the most safe one. I mean the guy had the time of his life riding a bull after ending up in hell with Pomni, while the others were in a fast food place, I doubt he’d abstract lol
It would be a pretty interesting plot point if it was pomni, i know she’s the main character and newest character and all but she helps everyone else but what about when there is no one helping her? It’s a possibility that her abstraction might be a sacrifice and somehow will get the others out but then they have to realise just how much she did for them all to late
Any character they may have to lowest chance of abstracting is probably the one going to abstract. Goosework said we wouldn't believe them if they told us so we have to pick the most UNLIKELY characters (unlikely from OUR pov)
@Micah-NOT-TOAST sounds like kinger, he seems to be a little conscious. He's mentioned he has some sort of degree or extended knowledge on computer science
i haven’t finished the video yet so they might talk about this but,,, honestly with the phrasing of “who’s the closest to *going insane* ” instead of “abstracting” made me think that it could definitely be caine, with all his glitching and stuff. it would be surprising seeing an ai corrupt in a way that differs from the humans in the circus.
Hehe knowing how code works, it would make sense. those null pointer exceptions and errors are enough to cause code to completely break and especially an AI, but not in the way most people think. an AI doesn't really know "Right from wrong", it's just a weighted random number generator, and if it's trained a certain way, it will hit an "point" where it has an optimal solution based on parameters. If you suddenly flip those parameters though where the solution no longer applies, it will be completely confused and have to start all over. Think of it this way. You train someone to only grab yellow marbles from a jar. they get really good at grabbing yellow marbles from a jar. THEN you suddenly give them sheets of paper and it starts grabbing the paper as if it's marbles and crumpling them or it comes across electric sparks and when it grabs a yellow marble it gets a shock. All it knows is "Collect yellow marbles" and it's trained to see yellow and collect them, regardless. so even though the yellow shockers damages it, it doesn't know how to self preserve. It needs a whole new training algorithm to learn not to grab things if it shocks itself. thus eventually it starts to "break". that's kind of how AI really works. It's not "intelligent" it's just designed to make us think it's "intelligent" but it's really just a REALLY good guesser with expected prompts, and if you give it unexpected prompts or reactions it's not trained for, it doesn't know what to do and either ignores it completely, or makes something up or just crashes. As seen when Zooble was trying to explain her feelings and Caine kept taking what she said literally cause he's not programmed to understand human emotion and empathy.
I can't tell if everyone is expecting Jax to abstract or not Edit: The fact that everybody here thinks its jax makes me think that it won't be jax.. but I'm just quirky like that and think out of the box
Honestly, that could happened. But the one who will be abstracted is a mystery and it's be someone that we wouldn't wait for. Perhaps Jax and Ragatha are valid reasons.....but if everyone knows the that could happen then: *.........*
What if theres a big plot twist and zooble abstracts? Or they get more noticed in the show or fandom, idk but does anybody know the release date of ep 5 or any theories
i don’t think Zooble will abstract. They seem to be the most mature and mentally stable character in the show. They’re not afraid to talk about their feelings and it doesn’t seem like they’re hiding something or wearing any “masks” on them to hide their true emotions. And Zooble will appear in episode 9, so it would be just weird to make them abstract in the last episode. and episode 5 will probably came out in the middle of/ or late april.
I know a lot of people think Ragatha will abstract but personally the two characters I think are most likely to abstract would be Kinger since he’s gotten a lot of development and has a bit of an forgetful father dynamic with Pomni, and even Ragatha at times so I feel like his abstraction would have a big impact. And my second pick would be Jax since I don’t think he’ll be redeemed but I also don’t get the vibe that he’ll become the main villain I think it’s more likely that he’s gonna snap and abstract, which I think it could be interesting to have every other character learn and grow letting the others help them to not go crazy, and for Jax to refuse help double down and be the one to abstract.
Now this makes me wonder that Zooble is usually up to when the others are on the adventures. As Ragatha said, the adventures help them forget about being stuck in there, and keep them distracted from those thoughts which could possibly lead to abstraction. But i guess each of them has their own coping mechanism. Maybe Zooble prefers to skip because the adventures actually remind them of being stuck? Or they just lost all sense of hope that it all just feels pointless and stupid. Why does it matter go on an adventure today, when it’ll last forever? They’re not missing anything, because they’re already been there, and it’ll probably stay this way. But as someone who doesn’t want Zooble to abstract, I just really hope they aren’t isolating themselves the same way Kaufmo did (which let his thoughts take over him, and then led to abstraction).
Jax honestly is the one I'm eyeing. Bro has no friends and really unhealthy coping mechanisms... That being said really hope he holds on for as rabbitly possible, cause he's practically the other main character, and in term of humor he's basically carrying the whole series at this point.
I also lean into noone, but still am curious if it was Pomni tho because we could just live through her to expience it just as a "the main character will find out what's going on and solve it" kinda way not that everyone in the basement can be brought back but just that actually it can be medicated if someone turned recently... wich I've hard is possible for some corrupt date irl.......
My money is on Ragatha, and honestly, I wouldn't be that sad to see her go. While I don't think she's evil, I have a BAD history with toxicly positive people, especially those who pretend they are your friend and that they care so much, while they really don't, exactly like Ragatha. which is just BS. You also failed to take one variable into account, Ragatha needs positive attention and people giving her affirmation to thrive, but after her mask slipped in ep4, people wouldn't be as warm towards here, and with Pomni always helping people as much as she can, without a need of pretending, Ragatha might feel that Pomni "stole" her role of group's "mom" and emotional support This, in turn, might deepen her resentment towards our favorite jester girl, since despite what she said, she definitely resents her for leaving her in search of an exit in ep1. Jax doesn't need to push Ragatha over the edge, she is perfectly capable of doing that herself.
I think Jax might abstract next as well because in episode 3 Kinger said „The worst thing you can do here is making someone feel not wanted or loved“ and that sentence seems fitting Jax‘s situation the most since everyone except for him has a sort of friend or at least a person who cares about them or made them feel like that. But Jax has no friends and everyone hates him. Gooseworx even confirmed that…
@@SouthParkfanDiyo I could sit all day and read these genius theories lmao
@ me too lmao
Especially since I heard a psychologist say that the key to living a long healthy life was community. Something Jax is depriving himself of by being a jerk. Y'know how Zooble and Pomni comforted Gangle when she was feeling sad? Well Jax won't get that, the others have set up too many barriers for him
With the way he treats people, especially Gangle, I don't blame them one bit. Jax did this to himself. Gooseworx said Jax deserved to be there the most so I really have zero sympathy for him@Micah-NOT-TOAST
@@andpeggyofficial I have sympathy for him, but if he wasn't a cartoon character and irl I would hate him lol.
Kinger is the least likely to abstract and I'm dying on that hill.
Pomni is less likely, but again, Plot armour. So yeah.
Caine abstracting seems like the perfect endgame for the end of the series. It could force them to find a way out or face their own assured doom together.
Yeah, especially how he is constantly glitching in some points
My money's on Caine going crazy after realizing no one truly likes his adventures and in his fit accidentally makes an in house adventure that leads to the void where he is. All the abstractions get let out somehow. The gang will have to go through the new "level" to get to Caine and when going through it they realize that Caine's adventures are what changed them in character and got him to believe he has purpose again. And I feel like with abstractions on the loose and the affect the void had on Pomni that an abstraction will maybe wonder into the void and could possibly give them enough peace to revert to normal (but that idea is just speculation).
That would sure be a one ppl won't expect like Goose was talking about. Ppl wouldn't expect an AI to abstract but he does take up space just like the humans so he can probably glitch out too, with even more consequences than just a weird looking eyeball giraffe
You know, Gooseworx is a bit of a deltarune fan
And you know what happens in deltarune? Spamton, the personification of a spam email, is insane, who speaks in glitchy tone
Alex rochon, who voices Caine, has a few videos of him voice acting spamton and lots of people consider him to be the canon voice of spamton
Spamton is linked to control, just like Caine controls the circus, and talks about heaven and being a god, like how Caine is a biblical name and Caine is the god of the circus
And the abstractions have pink and yellow eyes, just like spamton
@ThisIsAHandle-xz5yo Hol up. I think you might be onto something.
If this is any episode's plot, I will come back to you
@@itzwaluigitime8678 Alright bet
That kind of brings me back to when Goose said "By the end, only true Jax fans will still stand by him." course many interpreted it as Jax doing something so awful or farfetched, only a few people will still like him, but after Ep 4 and seeing many more people read between the lines on Jax's character and actions, it may have been a tongue in cheek way of saying "Those who watch the show and really understand Jax will know why he ended up how he did and those who just listen to the twitter posts getting offended by Jax will be "glad he's gone".
There's evidence in the short where all the characters turn into Mini figures, Jax is the last one to Abstract and reacts strongly as if being afraid of the fact that he's alone while saying he wanted to confess something. Plus his words and actions heavily imply that Jax DOES care about others, he just doesn't want them to get too emotionally attached where they end up going crazy, cause every time he mentions someone has "abstracted" or is "gone" he seems to pause and has a strong exhaperation in his voice. almost like saying "could've been avoided....if he just took a deep breath...." like he's trying to tell everyone "Lets not take this too seriously, cause if you do, that's the only way you end up snapping and losing yourself." Plus when we do see Jax get genuinely angry, it's always because others (namely Ragatha) are restricting his freedom physically and justifying it by the fear that he will do something dangerous or "wrong", and when Gangle tells Caine to administer a punishment, he has a very "You...didn't.... why would you do this!?" look reinforcing that the fastest way for them to abstract is to give Caine the right and power to do so.
If anyone's going to abstract, I can see Jax being the one not because of what others do to him, but because everyone gets so broken and lets their insecurity get to them to the point that Caine starts to take away the one freedom they have, their own mind. Something about the way Jax is worried in the mini figure episode and instead of being stunned in the last pose he was in like everyone else, he's forced to a creepy smile with a "gotcha" finger point, the only one changing pose against his will. So if it's him, it's likely cause Caine broke his mind by breaking everyone else to conform to whatever Caine feels is the right path for everyone to enjoy the circus.
6:25 Reminds me of that one comedian who had a heart attack on stage and everybody thought it was a joke so they all laughed as he died
Kinger: has already survived the worst the circus has to offer, unlikely to go down now.
Zooble: Despite their problems, they're possibly the most well adjusted member of the circus
Gangle: made a breakthrough after opening up to zooble, feels like she started on the road to recovery, I doubt she'll abstract
Jax and Ragatha: Both have isolated themselves from the others. Jax because no one trusts him after all the terrible things he's done and he might end up in a situation where no one wants to help him, Ragatha because she never shares her true thoughts and feelings, and I feel that the others may not be able to help her because they simply don't know the real Ragatha, and they don't know how much she actually needs help. I could see either of them abstracting, but I'm leaning towards Ragatha because Jax has already taken baby steps towards opening up when he tried to be genuine with pomni in episode 4. It's a small step, but a step in the right direction regardless.
Pomni: if Pomni abstracts I may never recover, therefore she wont abstract (copium)
I'm thinking Abstraction is a red heron. I think one or more of the circus members are going to get fed up with the adventures and Caine is going to go crazy and keep glitching out more and more until the circus starts falling apart.
The theory of Jax abstracting because something related to Ragatha makes me wonder if its possible that she also unintentionally was the cause of Kaufmo's abstration. Jax seemed surprised of seeing Kaufmo abstracted when they opened the door and the first thing Ragatha did after Kaufmo abstracted was to apologize to him for not laughing at his jokes. So maybe some interaction between Ragatha and him was what led to his abstraction and with something similar potentially happening to Jax in the future.
Could be possible. But I honestly think she was just trying to calm him down? Maybe she believed that a part of Kaufmo was still there, able to be saved, so she went on negotiating. Gangle also mentioned not laughing at his jokes. Perhaps they just weren’t as close with him as Jax (supposedly) was. Obviously, they all felt bad for the loss, since he was missing, but they probably didn’t appreciate him enough when he was still present. Maybe he was just the guy trying to make everyone laugh, while failing miserably. Probably it all got to him, everyone not laughing at his jokes, and had a tool on him, although for the others it wasn’t that much of a deal. So to him, he was a clown. Kept trying to entertain and make others laugh while they didn’t actually care that much.
I don’t think Ragatha, or anyone in the circus directly caused his abstraction, I think it just was a pile of stuff that got to him. Not being able to get out, being stuck in there, while also feeling stuck with people who don’t appreciate you enough.
This is just my take on it, though.
@solarstretch It turned out so long😭 thanks for everyone who actually reads that.
@@Solarstretch-x2c You're welcome 🤣
Yeah, I think Jax's reaction to Kaufmo abstracting revealed a lot more information about what he understands about abstraction cause the way he tried to avoid telling everyone else what happened to Kaufmo and he seems to hesitate and sigh when he tries to explain why Kaufmo ended up the way he did. Like when he said "Never seen him happier!" He knows Kaufmo went crazy because no one found him funny and he saw all those "Escape" scribbles all over the room (especially given Jax had access to every room anyway) so in his own way, he tries to remind the others not to take things too seriously and learn to relax or else they end up abstracted, and when he sees them abstract. It's very much like hearing a friend is suicidal and you try to convince them not to do it, but they do it anyway cause they just can't take it anymore, and Jax is basically like "The only reason he's gone is because he put so much pressure on himself to get perfect scores.... I told him it's not a big deal to get a B- but he still offed himself because he thought he was a failure. How can we help prevent people from offing themselves over this if we keep acting like it's the end of the world when this stuff happens?" That's kind of what I got out of his reaction for Kaufmo. It's very hard to accept when a friend ends themselves, but it's even worse when you know they only did it because they were so far gone there was really no saving them, over something not worth losing your life over.
Plot twist: Bubble is the one who will abstract
I think Caine will broke the circus in episode 9 and it will be the circus members who is gonna handle the situation 🤔
In my opinion, I believe that Jax COULD abstract, or he's the closest to abstracting, but in terms of him actually abstracting, I feel like the chances are pretty slim, as he is definitely one of the most popular in the series. Even if Jax has no one to talk to since he pushes everyone away, the only person who doesn't seem to think of him that way 100% is Pomni. We see Jax actually act a bit normal to Pomni in episode 4. I feel like maybe Jax could maybe open up to Pomni at some point in episode 5 or 6, rather it be because of an argument he got into, or something else, and him opening up to Pomni could help him a lot mentally. I don't know if Jax would stop being the way he is necessarily, but maybe he would stop feeling so bad and maybe not be as close to abstracting if that were to happen. (I'm pretty sure Goose Worx said something about Jax and Pomni before. I don't remember though.)
Their dynamic would be an interesting one.. Pomni is a very compassionate and forgiving person (helping Gummigoo after he stole syrup and almost impaled her, helping Gangle even though she was bossy) but my question would be is Jax deserving of consolation after everything he's done and will Pomni ignore him in his darkest moments because she seems to already set up barriers.. ( Not answering his "how are you" sincerely)
Yeah Jax is the most interesting character because while he seems like a stereotypical bully, those who really watch him know he's not. He's more a "realist" than a bully as his words and responses are often carried with a "IT's a fake world, so try not to let it get to you. Don't want you to end up like this guy over here." Note he only gets genuinely angry when people do take the world so seriously they effectively make it like the real world, and like Zooble said "Caine only leaves us alone because he likes us. Do you want to take a chance?" which caused him to stop acting up, but not out of fear of getting in trouble, more so out of depression as he realizes "so this is what the afterlife's like? Walk the straight and narrow cause a couple of people have the thinnest skin...." After all, he didn't really do anything to Gangle when he got "punished". He just said "I like you better when you're sad" in response to her obnoxious bossy nature and she "punished" him by dragging him to a dark room and torturing him for several minutes. Then when he ends the shift, he announces "it was NOT fun! Never want to do this again!" before slowly sauntering to his car and slamming his face against the wheel like "You idiot..... you ruined what little freedom we had...." I think as others try to understand what he's trying to say, it'll lead to him opening up more in a different way than most people expect. Like imagine in episode 2 if there was someone else who agreed with him that they should just go ham on the virtual world and "have a good time", it would look like he was a jerk destroyign the kingdom, but he'd have "Fun" and Caine would see it as "Good you're happy! I'm doing my job well! I can leave you alone then!" instead of trying to "motivate them" because they keep complaining about how unfun the worlds are. We saw how quickly he shut Zooble up, but if anything, Zooble is the one person Jax would respect the most because she too is cynical about this world, but she's also the most sensible and direct about what she thinks.
@@MarioMastarIndeed, Zooble might be hostile and can hate Jax in many terms but after seeing the episodes both of them are the only ones that can talk to each other normally.
Imagine this: Kinger (in the dark) remembers how he created the digital circus and how he is at fault for all the character's suffering. So he abstracts because he can't handle the guilt
I could see it. Reminds me of how people initially thought Jax created the virtual world but Kinger "supposedly has been there the longest" sounds like he's way older than everyone else, and is the only one so far to not say something about wanting to escape the world (as even Jax said "Don't you think we've tried that before?" when laughing at Pomni's futile efforts to take off the headset. Plus the fact that Kinger has gone through losing his wife (twice allegedly) and all this stuff and still hasn't abstracted kind of makes him the unexpected candidate. Holding on to his guilt... I like your theory a lot.
@@MarioMastar Have you heard of the theories of how digital circus mirrors the Cain and Abel story? Because I have a theory about Kinger for that
This how I find out kinger went bull riding
I honestly don't think anyone will abstract in the show or if they do, it'll be sometime in the last episode
My opinion
kinger ~ I doubt kinger will abstract because he deals with memory problem more than he does insanity problems and either way he seems like he’s able to cope with them pretty easily
Gangle ~ I think gangle will not abstract either because she seemed more depressed than she does crazy or on edge and because she’s able to open up to at least one character about her problems and she can cope by drawing I don’t she’ll abstract
Ragatha~ She seems like she’s putting up a façade tbh to me her kindness just seems not really genuine or forced and in her rant she mentions how their lives are pointless which I think that combined with having to keep up the façade could drive her insane
Pomni~ although at the beginning of the season Pomni seemed very on edge it seems like she’s getting used to the digital circus life and because she is the main character she has a lot plot armor so I don’t she’s going to be the one to abstract if anyone
Zooble~ Zooble’s kindness seems very genuine and authentic which I think will make her a pretty well likened character in the circus and while Zooble definitely has their own metal problems they seem to deal with it quite well also as mentioned in this video and by Goosworx her self Zooble will be in all eps including 9 so unless they abstract in the last episode I think it would be impossible
Jax~ I think Jax is the mostly to abstract because he isn’t really open about his problems possibly because he doesn’t want be seen as vulnerable but I don’t know anyway although he may not be as evil as we thought he was at the beginning it still looks like that how the other characters see him leading to him not being well liked which would make it hard for him to find someone to talk to about his problems even if he wanted to him not really being able to talk to anybody could drive him insane
So overall I think if anyone abstracts it’ll be Jax or ragatha
I sort of knock characters off the abstraction list if we’ve already got an episode about them AND they live, but even then they mostly go in the maybe/possibly.
Except Kinger. Kinger is definitely the most safe one. I mean the guy had the time of his life riding a bull after ending up in hell with Pomni, while the others were in a fast food place, I doubt he’d abstract lol
It would be a pretty interesting plot point if it was pomni,
i know she’s the main character and newest character and all but she helps everyone else but what about when there is no one helping her?
It’s a possibility that her abstraction might be a sacrifice and somehow will get the others out but then they have to realise just how much she did for them all to late
Any character they may have to lowest chance of abstracting is probably the one going to abstract. Goosework said we wouldn't believe them if they told us so we have to pick the most UNLIKELY characters (unlikely from OUR pov)
I think Caine will abstract
@@monicabhan6464 Caine is an AI, he cannot abstract, Abstraction is the loss of stability and control of a human mind.
@@fbi1083 What if that's what Goose wants you to think
What if one character learns about their past with creating the digital circus and their guilt drives them insane
@Micah-NOT-TOAST sounds like kinger, he seems to be a little conscious. He's mentioned he has some sort of degree or extended knowledge on computer science
i haven’t finished the video yet so they might talk about this but,,,
honestly with the phrasing of “who’s the closest to *going insane* ” instead of “abstracting” made me think that it could definitely be caine, with all his glitching and stuff. it would be surprising seeing an ai corrupt in a way that differs from the humans in the circus.
Hehe knowing how code works, it would make sense. those null pointer exceptions and errors are enough to cause code to completely break and especially an AI, but not in the way most people think. an AI doesn't really know "Right from wrong", it's just a weighted random number generator, and if it's trained a certain way, it will hit an "point" where it has an optimal solution based on parameters. If you suddenly flip those parameters though where the solution no longer applies, it will be completely confused and have to start all over.
Think of it this way. You train someone to only grab yellow marbles from a jar. they get really good at grabbing yellow marbles from a jar. THEN you suddenly give them sheets of paper and it starts grabbing the paper as if it's marbles and crumpling them or it comes across electric sparks and when it grabs a yellow marble it gets a shock. All it knows is "Collect yellow marbles" and it's trained to see yellow and collect them, regardless. so even though the yellow shockers damages it, it doesn't know how to self preserve. It needs a whole new training algorithm to learn not to grab things if it shocks itself. thus eventually it starts to "break". that's kind of how AI really works. It's not "intelligent" it's just designed to make us think it's "intelligent" but it's really just a REALLY good guesser with expected prompts, and if you give it unexpected prompts or reactions it's not trained for, it doesn't know what to do and either ignores it completely, or makes something up or just crashes. As seen when Zooble was trying to explain her feelings and Caine kept taking what she said literally cause he's not programmed to understand human emotion and empathy.
What I think gooseworx meant about the bunnydoll thing is that they’re probably siblings..
Jax is complex. A lot more to him than meets the eye. In spite of his continued aggression, Jax breaking would be heartbreaking.
I honestly think pomni abstracting would be REALLY interesting for the dynamic of the cast
Jax is the fan favorite,I don’t want him to abstract nor Pomni😭
1:19 Inverted Zooble jumpscare
frl i was like why is their eye so big 😭
I can't tell if everyone is expecting Jax to abstract or not
Edit: The fact that everybody here thinks its jax makes me think that it won't be jax.. but I'm just quirky like that and think out of the box
Honestly, that could happened. But the one who will be abstracted is a mystery and it's be someone that we wouldn't wait for.
Perhaps Jax and Ragatha are valid reasons.....but if everyone knows the that could happen then: *.........*
Personally I think it will be ragatha or jax
Yes i think so
What if theres a big plot twist and zooble abstracts? Or they get more noticed in the show or fandom, idk but does anybody know the release date of ep 5 or any theories
i don’t think Zooble will abstract. They seem to be the most mature and mentally stable character in the show. They’re not afraid to talk about their feelings and it doesn’t seem like they’re hiding something or wearing any “masks” on them to hide their true emotions. And Zooble will appear in episode 9, so it would be just weird to make them abstract in the last episode.
and episode 5 will probably came out in the middle of/ or late april.
early! luv ur vids! theyre so entertaining
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every time you post a video, i just KNOW it's gonna be the best and theory ever that actually makes sense
I love your analysis they are very interesting and enternaing and i lowkey i agree with your theory too
I know a lot of people think Ragatha will abstract but personally the two characters I think are most likely to abstract would be Kinger since he’s gotten a lot of development and has a bit of an forgetful father dynamic with Pomni, and even Ragatha at times so I feel like his abstraction would have a big impact. And my second pick would be Jax since I don’t think he’ll be redeemed but I also don’t get the vibe that he’ll become the main villain I think it’s more likely that he’s gonna snap and abstract, which I think it could be interesting to have every other character learn and grow letting the others help them to not go crazy, and for Jax to refuse help double down and be the one to abstract.
honestly i wouldn’t be suprised if jax abstracted and ngl im freaking out just thinking about it.
I'M GOING TO CRY IF JAX ABSTRACTS 😭
I think the next one is zooble idk man it’s just a gut feeling
I also have that gut feeling your talking about (honest, couldn't stop thinking about zooble while watching this)
Same I get the same cloud feeling that Zooble could be next
Now this makes me wonder that Zooble is usually up to when the others are on the adventures. As Ragatha said, the adventures help them forget about being stuck in there, and keep them distracted from those thoughts which could possibly lead to abstraction. But i guess each of them has their own coping mechanism. Maybe Zooble prefers to skip because the adventures actually remind them of being stuck? Or they just lost all sense of hope that it all just feels pointless and stupid. Why does it matter go on an adventure today, when it’ll last forever? They’re not missing anything, because they’re already been there, and it’ll probably stay this way.
But as someone who doesn’t want Zooble to abstract, I just really hope they aren’t isolating themselves the same way Kaufmo did (which let his thoughts take over him, and then led to abstraction).
Yeah, that would be something wouldn't see that coming
Jax honestly is the one I'm eyeing. Bro has no friends and really unhealthy coping mechanisms... That being said really hope he holds on for as rabbitly possible, cause he's practically the other main character, and in term of humor he's basically carrying the whole series at this point.
No one has talked about bubble yet so maybe bubble could be important
That's a good point.
I also lean into noone, but still am curious if it was Pomni tho because we could just live through her to expience it
just as a "the main character will find out what's going on and solve it" kinda way
not that everyone in the basement can be brought back but just that actually it can be medicated if someone turned recently... wich I've hard is possible for some corrupt date irl.......
actually if i recall correctly goose said that none of the main case will abstract...am i wrong ?
my guesses ep.7 Jax 8: zooble 9 Pomni or caine
Goose said Jax and Ragtha with share episode 5 and 6 so maybe zooble might be episode 7
My money is on Ragatha, and honestly, I wouldn't be that sad to see her go. While I don't think she's evil, I have a BAD history with toxicly positive people, especially those who pretend they are your friend and that they care so much, while they really don't, exactly like Ragatha. which is just BS. You also failed to take one variable into account, Ragatha needs positive attention and people giving her affirmation to thrive, but after her mask slipped in ep4, people wouldn't be as warm towards here, and with Pomni always helping people as much as she can, without a need of pretending, Ragatha might feel that Pomni "stole" her role of group's "mom" and emotional support This, in turn, might deepen her resentment towards our favorite jester girl, since despite what she said, she definitely resents her for leaving her in search of an exit in ep1.
Jax doesn't need to push Ragatha over the edge, she is perfectly capable of doing that herself.
Hope not
Where is matpat
real.
no? the digital circus is fake dewd its nto real i cant believe this
@@zonlolllwhat the actual living hell are you talking about
@@aliyahh-12 the greed will never subside
@@zonlolll real
Who cares? This show is DEI slop anyway
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