Fr they feel like they really doing something by simply acknowledging an issue. So we 'aren't ready for this conversation' but it seems like y'all ain't either lol.
what annoys me most about the show is zoey’s selfishness. she’s so unlikable as a character moreless the main character. she makes everything about her and sucks as a friend. i do love her style tho ngl
Thought I was the only one that thought this 🤷🏿♀️ She is a terrible friend and thinks giving a weak ass apology makes up for all the shitty stuff she does,but she’s attractive so that gets her off of so much shit
She only cares about what her friends can do for her. She does not care at all about their feelings or anything and she makes there problems hers and not in a good way. She makes it about her UGH!
I also think they should have waited until Marsai’s character is old enough to be the main character for Grownish. I think the role would have been better suited for her.
I think greenish could’ve been amazing, but it’s just not for many reason. It had an INSANE amount of potential but she messed it up. It could’ve been perfect 😂
I'm glad they did a spinoff with Zoey because it was great opportunity for her story to be finally told, but instead they made her insufferably annoying and selfish. It could've been our generations A Different World.
@@tgirl1021 Honestly, if it's the same shitty writers writing it. I'm highly doubtful it would be better. Just a different character with bad writing. The writers didn't even know what the word "deadass" meant. Look it up smh.
I think the only show that captivated the black experience was “everybody hates Chris” it was so on point with what black people go through but obviously In comedic way
Blue hair gerlo we don’t need to devalue or erase shows that capture black men’s experience..we need to have shows that capture black womens experiences too but don’t discredit what everybody hates Chris did for black men. We need both
Blue hair gerlo if a shows about a young black boy it should reflect his experiences..if a show is about a young black girl it should reflect her experiences
@@AwesomeDancer247 and where did I say its not needed? I'm only pointing out how black men are pron to get more attention and benefit rather than black women in media... How many shows have "the dark skin black girl" as a lead character?
@@ms.ferretmanthing2404 everybody hates chris was good for both black men and black women. Rochelle was just as much as of main character as Chris. I feel like the show was good at portraying the struggle of black mothers but also putting Rochelle in a good light.
why can’t we get a clueless, legally blonde, fault in our stars or a mean girls type movie/show with a black cast and they aren’t made out to be gettho or something
moonbunny correct me if i’m wrong since i’ve never seen the movie but i bet to all the boys i loved before didn’t mention the main character being asian every few seconds
@@xlectraheart not to contradict your point or anything, but To All The Boys I Loved Before actually does bring up her Asian-ness a lot... (for a more in depth explanation, here’s a link to an article from Plan A Magazine called “TO ALL THE BOYS I’VE LOVED BEFORE’ HAS CREEPY RACIAL THINGS GOING ON”: HTTPS://PLANAMAG.COM/TO-ALL-THE-BOYS-IVE-LOVED-BEFORE-HAS-CREEPY-RACIAL-THINGS-GOING-ON/)
Kaamiishuu U True however i feel like they got the closest to the mark with Mixed Ish and tbh i just like how they’re portraying a healthy interracial marriage with a BW and a WM which we hardly see in Hollywood. As well as it is the only show with a dark skinned woman who isn’t ambiguous looking
Sarah Parker Yeah! I agree, they are the closest to what they were expected to be. And I completely agree with you on the healthy interracial marriage!
can we discuss how zoey's college life is so unrealistic.. like the only thing she struggles with is deciding which guy she wants and picking her dream job( unrealistic how she got it) or college
I don’t completely agree with the unrealistic part, I’m 18, in college and I’ve got my dream job working on a movie set. I think the show is unrealistic but it’s not some white girl dream it happens. My dream Job is the reason I bought my first house @ 18
Raven Smith and how they portray Diane’s character as “evil” and she’s the darkest child on the show and, coincidentally, the only child actor on Black-ish that is FULY black🤦🏾♀️ I’m so done with these “black” shows. I’m done
Vivek has really bad character development, but I would say Luca does more than anybody else. They don't know what to do with his character. Its just weird how he sticks around because he was never really friends with Zoey's friends & the sudden closeness with him and nomi was forced. They never developed him to be more than Zoey's bf. Sidenote: The friendship between the girls and Ana is unrealistic(I hate ana lol).
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Yesitsmedaphne the problem with new black sitcom is that they are too woke. Even Dear White People is too dramatic for me. It’s ashame that black people Have to constantly rely on BET and Tyler Perry to put out some real black experiences
Her and Normani are fuckin gorgeous and it is beyond crazy how underrated their presence can be some times. Hopefully as black individuals we can actually accept the fact that Colorism exist.
Grownish shows these characters in full make up and 4 new hairstyles per episode...in college. College! Not even adults live like that. And how tf do they bar hop at 18 years old?!🥴
I hate watch that show. It’s such a bad depiction of college. They was in the bar freshman year, not sneaking in or anything just there. The RA throwing parties on the floor with alcohol. A floor event?! That would never happen. They show class scene every five episodes. The HBCU themed trailer for the new season when Cal U is a PWI. I’m starting to think none of writers have been to college.
Such a poor use of Ryan Destiny, and there is no reason for her to really interact with the rest of the group because they never gave her a real use other than mammying Zoey.
Chloe and Halle are the only characters I like they also did Ryan dirty she's a great actress and could have been in the show more also I hate how Yara acts in the show like her character just seems off
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Anyway, we all know that Kayenne Barabbas doesn’t want to include dark skinned women. He literally said that “you don’t need a black woman to have a black family.” He wasn’t talking about single black fathers nor gay black men. He means a woman who is a whole different race. Girl I- 🤦🏿♀️
neegas I don’t think that Tyler Perry is a colorist, but let’s be realistic here. They have very similar ideologies when it comes to representing black women. The difference is that Kenya Barris probably doesn’t like dark skinned women while Tyler Perry sucks at taking criticism
@@Julia-ji9kr .....so colorist 👀 I think even if they have different ideology the fact that Tyler Perry still represents lighter skin people better than darker skinned people who are more seen as jokes than his colorism seems subconscious
Ryan Destiny is definitely downplayed. And I couldn’t relate to this show at all. Dear White People (with its flaws and all) it’s a lot more relateable
Zoey's life is unrelatable. She grew up in a rich family and she was spoiled HEAVILY. She abandoned her friend for popularity [Ana]. Three boys were fighting over her and she choose Luka for unknown reasons. Became a fashion designer or something idk. She got mad at Ana because she started dating Aaron [EVEN THOUGH SHE WAS DATING LUKA] and it took two episodes for her to apologise [because of pride]. Then she kissed Aaron. Then she dropped out.
Omg the whole episode when she got mad at Ana for that!! I really thought I was going to skip it bc it was such bs!! Like who actually gets mad for that??
My biggest issue is that we were promised a gen z version of A Different world, and then we got a hoity toity black girl in Balenciaga who takes adderall for 13 credits and does nothing but go to the club and complain about her relationships. nothing about Zoey is relatable to ordinary black college girls, at all.
the show’s boring and unrealistic, they make it like college is middle school with the boys and shit they also make it about social media 100% of the time.
Brooke H. Well, I think that’s why he didn’t want to date her. They were just fooling around but when it came down to it, he didn’t want to commit to her. He probably felt guilty or idk. Hahaha
Yea, when u think about it a lot of black men who say they are pro black don’t necessarily date black women- they date white women(who often have racist family)
You and As Told By Kenya broke this bulls**t show down so perfectly. There is clearly colorism in this show and they don't care. They lied about the premise of the show to bait black people into watching the show. There's nothing relatable or realistic about this show not once. And, I don't like any of the characters or "conversations" in this show. P.S. I love your style in this video. Glad I subscribed to you
They didn't lie about the premise of the show. Kenya Barris literally said "Where "Black-ish" examines what it means to be Black, "Grown-ish" is an examinations of what is is and what it means to be grown." All other criticisms of the show are completely valid, but I feel like we, as an audience, projected what we though the show was going to be based on what "Black-ish" is.
@@chowderscrib Not to excuse the bad writing, but I feel like that is a part of figuring out what being grown is. As a college student I've had multiple conversations discussing complicated issues in which we never actually answer the questions we are asking because we can't. We're still hella young and trying to figure things out. We don't have the answers. Shit, most grown ass adults don't. I feel like Grown-ish can occupy this space about being a Black girl in college without having to be all about Black and social issues because at the end of the day everyone's experience is different and there is not one way to be Black in a space. The writers could definitely handle things better, but you can't solve complicated issues like colorism, police violence, and mental health in a 22 minute episode.
what annoys me the most about this show is that it’s not relatable at ALL. in the first season, her main issue was every man on campus fighting over her during her FRESHMAN year 😑 and her sophomore year she became a CELEBRITY STYLIST ???? WHO DOES THAT HAPPEN TO ??? and then she dropped out FINALLY 🙄 (olivia jade tease PLEASE 🤧) and when they started this season with that beyonce homecoming NONSENSE for literally NO REASON and then ended with zoey dresssed as aaliyah for literally NO REASON it’s like they just do stereotypes to remind people that the show is supposed to be aimed at a black teen audience 🥱 anyways stream good trouble because they’re ACTUALLY making points
Icarly was a show that put characters in an unfamiliar situation, but we could still relate to Carly, Sam, and Freddie. So, grown-ish has no excuse for unrelateable characters.
Kris Be Knowin’ when season 1 came out I was wanting to watch solely for Halle & Chloe (never watched Blackish before) but I heard nothing but bad things about the show being problematic, then my faves like As Told By Kenya and Amanda started talking about this show being a show and yeah, I saved myself a lot of time from not watching apparently 💀
I hate how she is supposed to be a broke college student but gets her hair done every scene or every episode with all that money she can be helping aaron with student loans
I wouldn’t be helping with his student loans at all lol (and I need them to explain why his loans are that high). You are correct in her parents pay for her school/housing, and they were giving her spending money as well.
In what reality is Zoe a broke college student? Even in the context of the show she isn't. Like her parents are rich and pay for everything. And before you say they cut her off they did no such thing. They still paid all essential bills. Everything else like her japanese candy subscription has to be funded by her. She is not a broke college student. But yeah her hair being done up differently everyday??? That's not realistic even if you have money. The best you can give us is the look of the week. I mean I keep my hair braided up the entire semester because it is way too much work to even style it every week. Again the show is not being realistic at all. Plus someone did say the writers room is made up of black men over the age of 40. It tracks.
I 100% blame Kenya Barris. He was just on Twitter a couple months ago arguing with people because he has a new show called “black excellence “ with the same cast who are all lighter than a paper bag. He is a tone death colorist pandering to the white public. I’m usually all for black creatives but his shows need to be cancelled 🤷🏾♀️
I kinda like Mixed-ish though :/ The other two are really meh comparatively. I just LOVE Bow's mom in that! Her mom is a COMPLETELY different character in Black-ish, but she's such a badass in Mixed-ish.
As a white person, I really wish these producers would stop assuming that we (the white audience) wouldn't watch a show with a minority lead, and that they have to white-wash everything for us. It feels insulting - they're assuming that we're either completely dumb, or as racist as they are. Even if I can't personally relate to a character (obviously, if the show is specifically about the black experience, I won't be able to relate to that) I can still enjoy the show and enjoy seeing a story and an experience that's different to my own. This has already been proven - shows and movies with minority leads can do extremely well, even with a white audience.
My thoughts exactly! This is why I was so upset with “mixed-ish”. Dark skin women can NEVER get the representation we deserve yet we are force fed sympathetic stories about growing up mixed. It’s exhausting. If I complain about dark skin women not being represented I’m immediately labeled angry and bitter.
I'm not darkskin but I know for a fact that colourism is real. Everytime we see 'Black' women who are extremely light and have type 3b hair. It beats me honestly🙂
@@idaf3028 the mom in the show mixedish Tika Sumpter I think that the 4C 3c natural hair is underrepresented in media and I love that she rocks it out in very cute styles on that show
"there is a new netflix original every day about teen angst, in an ambiguous time period, set in an ambiguous country, the white main lead with an ambiguous best friend" GIRL JUST SAY "I AM NOT OKAY WITH THIS" LMAO
Sara L I was questioning that too, but if I remember correctly didn’t they have cellphones?? It’s anyone’s guess as to what time period that show is set in 🤷🏾♀️😂😂
I agree to an extent; however I do side eye certain actors and actresses who take roles that they know perpetuate stereotypes or take roles that are obviously for a specific type of person. For example, when Zoe saldana decided she wanted to play Nina Simone 🙄. They had to literally darken her skin for the role.
Zoey Johnson is basically Rachel Berry and you cannot convince me otherwise: selfish, annoying, bratty, talented, zero character development after 3 seasons. Oh and they both have a black dad too, so there's that.
i see where you’re coming from , but rachel had redeeming qualities such as she was a VERY hard worker , funny , etc. also rachel didn’t have the pretty privilege that zoey or quinn from glee had.
Not only are dark skinned Black women not represented on this show, but indigenous Hispanic women and men are not either. It's annoying how whenever there is a Hispanic character in a show or movie, they choose an actor who looks more caucasian than indigenous.
Mileidy Gonzalez yes although I’ve been watching a Spanish Netflix show called Always A Witch which has a dark skin girl as leading role - although storyline involves colonial history as part of narrative 🤦🏻♀️
I know!! It makes me genuinely so sad. I get excited to be represented when i hear “latina actress” and then i find she’s blonde with white skin. It’s just disappointing.
I get what you’re saying, but it’s a spin-off from a show called BLACKish... so the lack of indigenous latinx is still the least of our concerns rn. You’re out here sounding like Gina Rodriguez out here.
Honestly, the only show that is giving me representation is Sex Education. They gave us Ncuti Gatwa as a main character. They gave us Kedar Williams. They gave us Chinenye Ezeudu. The side characters gained more screen time and relevance later, but at least they’re in the damn show. Other producers should take notes.
Sex Education has darkskin black girls in it? I didn’t know that, I think I saw on Twitter that they didn’t introduce a ds black girl until s3 but i must be wrong
@@ladybugred5641 it was season 2 when a dark skin girl was introduced. Her name is Viv and she is Jackson's tutor. Hopefully she becomes a main character because she was awesome.
My biggest issue with Grownish is the blatant homophobia towards Naomis ex boyfriend,Dave. All the guys were like “Oh, you can’t be with a guy who’s been with other guys”. And tbh i feel like a gay male would’ve been better for the show. Also the way how the only brown/dark skin person was a man and we NEED more brown and dark skin actors.
Phatbaby1011 EXACTLY . It further perpetuates the belief that BM and BW hate the lgbt community and frankly i’m tired of it. Dave could’ve been an amazing add on to the series. I also hate how her relationship with Dave wasn’t okay for some reason but her relationship with a way older woman (that professor) was so accepted that if you didn’t like that relationship you were a bad person
Sarah Parker it was the perfect opportunity to also discuss the stigma around bisexual men . They had all the opportunity but instead you chose to gloss over it
I feel like the whole -ish franchise is just a poorly thought out School House Rock for made to ‘teach’ Black adults things that we already knew. Like I feel like my intelligence is being insulted when I watch those shows. This is not Hannah Montana, there does not have to be an apology and a lesson at the end of each episode like we’re 7.
Make it something nobody has ever seen before like, a 90’s theme or something it was a lot of black movements then black culture was becoming a “trend”
@@kaylynboyd2035 yep not about skin color but the main lead being a dark skin girl without all the stereotypes and maybe she dates a hot sharp eyed Asian guy and she has a dark Brazilian best friend 🤔😂
i was actually just talking about viveck to my friend! and asking why we finally having an Asian lead character and they made him the dumpy comedic relief AND he's a drug dealer??? i feel like this character has so much more potential and he has NO PLOT LINES and FIVE SECONDS OF SCREEN TIME! hang it up kenya!!!!! FLATSCREEN!!!!!!!
They did Vivek wrong. He’s basically treated like a sub-character in the series. He doesn’t get any storyline and when they did feature him more in an episode, they wanna make it seem like he was culturally appropriating 🙄
They should've cut Zoey the same way A Different World cut Denise. Everyone knows A Different World became a good show AFTER season 1 when Denise left.
TheLoveBomberz the issue isnt Yara Shahidi. It’s Kenya Barris. The writing is fucking awful. Blackish sucks. Grownish sucks. Mixedish sucks. I’ve given them all a try and the writing makes my eyes roll. 🙄
A Different World didn't cut off Denise(Lisa Bonet) because of her character, but was FIRED because Cosby didn't like the fact that Bonet got pregnant and that she wasn't a good look show. He's a sexist prick. Debbie Allen fought for her to stay. And it's not Yara's fault how her character is written.
I’ve said this same thing. Denise’s character on A Different World was whiney and made everyyyyything about herself. After she left, the show became a lot more relatable as they gave each character better plots.
I’m begging for that love triangle to PERISH! I’m so tired of zoey and Luca getting back together, breaking up, Luca disappearing for 2 episodes, then zoey kissing Aaron. It’s the same cycle every 3 episodes. That’s literally the only consistent plot of this show and its hate to say it, but “toxic”. Someone please find Zoey another man or Aaron another girl to prey on or make zoey and Aaron date, because it’s obvious that’s what’s gonna happen in the end.
Also the sexual harassment episode was so SURFACE. It’s was terrible like they brought up sexual harassment when the “victim” wasn’t harassed in the first place and then made counter arguments about if consent is necessary or not (??) then the conversation ended. Malarkey at its finest.
I swear colorism be feeling worse than racism sometimes. Hated for being black vs being hated for not being a 'certain' type of black. There's a show about an African spy, I think it's called shona. The woman protagonist is light skinned, a african show with a light skin lead, make it make sense!
Well I mean we don’t really feel the effects of racism (DIRECTLY) those years are behind us .... And while a lot racist acts still happen and of course black people get it worse... we as a people are highly stereotyped (not to mention we have the most negative stereotypes) ... and people (especially white people) innately have prejudices against us and it shows even tho they deny it ... I can see what ur saying tho ... when people are racist to the community today it’s towards everyone in the community... and when it’s colorism it’s like a shot towards you personally as you can feel more alone
Neil Rasbury He’s telling the truth, he said what was stated because it contributes to colorism. Let’s not pretend as if a dark skinned individual has the same privileges as a light skinned individual. From my personal experience I had literally got a job during undergrad under bullshit pretenses as I essentially “looked the part” because I was bright. This shit is real but the show isn’t hitting it right the way that it should be but I digress 💀.
A real conversation I had with a dark skin black man in college: Him: This is the order of beautiful women 1. Light skins 2. Latinas 3. Philippinos 4. Brown skins 5. Brown girls (her in Toronto, brown people = south asian) 6. Dark skins *me, looking perplexed*: So your list is: 1. Black girls 2. Lat.. *him, cutting me off *: NO, 1. Light skins.. me, cutting him off LIGHT, BROWN, AND DARK SKIN BLACK WOMEN ARE ALL BLACK WOMEN! WHAT ARE YOU EVEN SAYING?! YOU'RE DARK SKIN!! Him: I know but in women it's different I've never heard one single apology about that conversation or seen a change in behaviour sooooooooooooooooo the show is full of shit lol
BROOO and to add, to all my Christians out there, when they revealed Ana was Christian, I bet y’all were like, “YES finally a positive representation of a Christian student on mainstream tv!” and was thinking the ways they can show the complexity of how it is to be a Christian but also want to enjoy the fruits of this world and it’s labors... which is hard because you question stuff sometimes or you bare down on your faith but then they went the stereotypical route and barely use her faith unless it’s during a dissertation with her friends..... like girl could’ve had a whole episode considering saving herself or having sex and it could’ve been dramatic....
Luka is such a trash character as well, people complain about Zoey’s character, but Luka’s is literally just a waste of space. He doesn’t have a storyline of his own, he only exist when Zoey is mentioned, the show never mentioned his background or his upbringing like they have every other character. I get so irked when they show him , all he does is get high 😷
I completely get your point, but at the same time he is also a rare representation of alternative poc and particularly men of colour who are straight whilst not being portrayed as super masculine
Him, Tyler Perry and lee Daniels all needs to be stopped. Luckily lee got all his shows cancelled and folks are starting to see Tyler Perry true colors and might move on him. We need to focus on the black content creators like Issa Rae, Jordan Peele, Ryan coolger and dee Rees who are bringing new ideas to Black cinema/TV
And the fact that they made her a republican knowing what an ugly over-cooked cheeto puff has said about ALL Latinos it’s just disgusting and disgraceful
Grown-ish makes The Neighborhood on CBS seem like a decent show. I said what I said. I find Bob Hearts Abishola a better "mixed" show and I give them credit for them taking on a different cultural clash angle than what others do a cop-out with.
😂😂😂😂I'm dying of laughter, I googled a picture of the director, and I thought Kenya Barris was a woman this whole time. A lot of stuff makes sense now and your comment is 10x funnier to me.
I would love for a TV show that is like Gossip Girl, 90210 and Scream Queens that's a fully black cast. I'm talking about the damn cashiers, shop keepers and MAIN CHARACTERS. I want it to be like bratz but with all black girls. It would allow for them to express themselves in how they want because it's all black people. The complete eradication of dark skin black girls in TV shows is comical and ridiculous at this point.
PERIOD or atleast make a coming to age story about a black girls experience but with an original or organic twist to it. Honestly one day I'd love to make a coming of age story or a movie or TV show like you suggested but hopefully it can come soon cause I'm pretty young LoL
that's why I wanted a spinoff about Junior at an HBCU. with an all-black cast you can show all different cliques of black nerds and glam girls and e-girls and whoever else. but it isn't what we were given, sadly
@@daniellehonore7465 Junior was the superior child but I don't think people are ready for that conversation. He would've been far more interesting to see how he navigates college because he actually has a personality and is more likeable than Zoey. Zoey was the least interesting out of the whole cast because they just deemed her the "cool popular girl" but didn't even back that up. Cool and popular for what? Like what is she funny, smart, sarcastic?? Junior would've been such a good direction for the show but they weren't brave enough for it
Every black character in this show is poorly represented: The twins: presented as mean/bitchy Luka: presented as lazy artist player Zoey: incredibly unlikeable That other boy: forgettable Douglas: ...he’s just Douglas there’s literally nothing I can say he’s aggravating All black characters on this show are some kind of stereotype
I remember an interview where they basically say the writers room is a lot of 30+ white women and that Luka had to teach them how to use “deadass” properly. He did not.
@@BellesView I found the variety article! Just cntrl+f “deadass” and it'll take you right to the quote lol variety.com/2019/tv/features/gen-z-tv-authenticity-elite-society-grownish-looking-for-alaska-1203298841/
Grownish other than its obvious colorism problem and shallow tackling of social issues has me so fascinated that a show about college students shows them hardly ever going to class or studying like y’all are in school. Also follow my channel that chronicles the life of an actual black brown skin girl in college whose life is also quite interesting lol.
I wondered about that too! As a high schooler, I thought the show would bring light to the actuality of being in college and balancing your personal life, but it seems to do the exact opposite and just show drama.
Jesus loves you. “Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid or terrified because of them, for the LORD your God goes with you; he will never leave you or forsake you” (Deuteronomy 31:6).
also I kinda noticed that Asian people in general just don't exist in this show (like I know bivek is there but there are absolutely no other Asian people)?? and as a matter of fact, any of Kenya Barris's productions? especially with the "dating hierarchy" episode failing to mention how, statistically, Asian men are also at the bottom, with Bivek standing RIGHT THERE. again, we get a REPUBLICAN before we get diversity.
@@Az-bf8ik because having one (1) token Asian when there's an entire college campus is ridiculous. especially taking into account that pwis have a very large Asian population.
jonae moore it’s called featurism. Darker skinned women who play larger roles tend not to have Afrocentric features or they may have Eurocentric features as well in the mix with their Afro features. Which for the average black girl is hard to look up to because they don’t look like them. But that’s my opinion so 🤷🏾♀️
gfoot99 but “centric” is the right suffix to use here. The features don’t necessarily belong to Europe so therefore, they aren’t European. A lot of Europeans have those features but so do a lot of non-europeans. Hence “centric”
Randomness 101 a black woman wearing their hair straight is “Eurocentric”. Because they chose to do that. A white woman having naturally curly hair isn’t “Afrocentric”. Because they didn’t choose to do that. That suffix is only used when someone actively makes a choice to look some way.
gfoot99 Eurocentric beauty standards means centered around or focused on European culture and ideals. I don’t understand why you are arguing about something like this. At the end of the day my message was clear. Stop trying to deflect to another point while taking attention off the issue at hand.
I had so many non black women in my mentions on twitter when i said ana is old extremely upset. i am a COLLEGE STUDENT. why tf would i want to see a 30 year old woman playing somebody my age? it makes no sense. lol
Mia Brown EXACTLYYYYY she was on one of my fave corny shows The Secret life of the American Teenager YEARS ago & even I was like why tf is she on this show lol
Honey Bee_ yeah. and she is noticeably older. there's nothing wrong w it but she looks her age. they're pushing it 😂 and i would understand if she brought something to the show but she doesn't.
“This show would do better on Disney +” 😭💯💯💯 It’s very childish and superficial. The lack of depth is better suited for pre teens who can’t communicate their ideas well....
MissBrittneyofCourse right zoey is not a anti heroine like in the sense of Carrie from sex and the city, Blair from gossip girl, or Scarlett O’Hara from gone with the wind she just has no redeemable qualities and as a personality is a horrible person
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The problem is that they took a side character in Black-ish and tried to make her a main character in her own show. Her character was fine when she wasn't the main focus. But the cracks are showing in her lack of character development when the show focusses mainly on her.
@@kayk.2447 Honestly because I am more invested in the other characters. Also shows with Black leads need eyes so that networks see the value in not having all white casts. I see the show as a means to an end.
Being Asian American( specifically Filipino), I didn’t know how to feel when Vivek was portrayed as Indian, but Filipino and Welsh in real life. They could’ve done so much more with the cast.
I think one of the biggest problems with Grown-ish, overall, is its inability to juggle big issues and its actual story. Like, even if I don’t agree or think it’s the best message, sometimes it feels like an episode is about to make an interesting statement... and then boom, it makes it about one character or some personal drama. Someone makes a good argument, but it turns out they’re a hypocrite, which completely undermines it, or someone is mad about bigotry, but actually, they’re mad about something else
I hate that too, and I hate that Black-ish did that in its colorism episode. There were too many light skin tears and they turned the horrible way Ruby has always treated Rainbow into a thing about colorism and her resenting being brown skinned. Like no lol.
Exactly. Everytime Zoey is actually in the right about something (which is rare) she’s made out to be the bad guy and is expected to apologize. It’s so annoying and exhausting.
Honestly those 2 girls she blocked were TRASHING her & the show under same breath by calling her and the show trash/cringeworthy and tagging her in threads saying the same, so they weren't just mentioning the lack of darkskin girls to her. But I'm glad she unblocked and called them and they apologized to each other.
Lasherne Dickson i’ve never even watched blackish but i could tell this was the case by the dynamics between Zoey and her family whenever they were mentioned/on-screen.
I figured due to being in college (and how it was advertised) Zoey would have to learn about her own privilege, blindspots and grow out of being spoiled but....lol no. Who are the White people who keep giving Kenya Barris money to make these basic AF bland shows?! STOP IT!
Am I the only person that thought the one person that deserved a spin-off first was her brother JR not zoey cuz in blackish you never see that much of zoey tbh we mostly see JR and the twins.
I feel you. But tbh honest I'm glad Zoey got a spinoff because it would have been an opportunity to finally know more about her, because we didn't on blackish, but the writers fucked it up. I feel bad for the actress. They keep giving her the shortest end of the stick like how they did Lisa Bonet.
I even feel like it would be better if it took the route Euphoria has and each episode shows the lives of the other characters. Its so sad that there is no dark skin representation no matter how much we beg and plead for it I am convinced these directors just don't like us cause wtf. Then they bring a dark skin women on the show and her role is the women who is now dating Zoey's ex making many people who are actually fans of this show dislike her without even getting to know the character its just bs.
When ever zoey’s in a “bad/sad” situation I’ve quickly released that it’s always caused by the fact that she is soooo selfish (which honestly makes you have zero sympathy for her) and I think it’s partly due to her parents especially her dad (in black-ish) because he puts her on such a high pedestal compared to every other child in that family and its made her have such a big head growing up because everything evolved around her growing up ( she has even mentioned it herself in episodes in black-ish and it’s shown through her interactions with her parents, siblings and friends) . Character development NEEDS to happen real soon cause she’s let so many people down due to her selfishness and not being able to tap into how her actions effect others. It’s literally becoming so draining and annoying watching her character go through the same selfish loop but with a new friend every season.
The fact that I just saw your community post and then get a notification about this video. The government gotta be watching me. I’m gonna watch this tomorrow at work when I’m surrounded by the whites.
Grownish is the embodiment of people on Twitter talking about a ‘controversial’ topic and then saying ‘but y’all aren’t ready for that conversation’
Ohhanahoney LMAOOOOO ON GOD
Where is the lie???
Wow you definitely hit the cherry on top that’s the best description I’ve ever heard
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Fr they feel like they really doing something by simply acknowledging an issue. So we 'aren't ready for this conversation' but it seems like y'all ain't either lol.
what annoys me most about the show is zoey’s selfishness. she’s so unlikable as a character moreless the main character. she makes everything about her and sucks as a friend. i do love her style tho ngl
Tbh 🤷♀️
Thought I was the only one that thought this 🤷🏿♀️ She is a terrible friend and thinks giving a weak ass apology makes up for all the shitty stuff she does,but she’s attractive so that gets her off of so much shit
Exactly it makes the show hard to watch sometimes
She only cares about what her friends can do for her. She does not care at all about their feelings or anything and she makes there problems hers and not in a good way. She makes it about her UGH!
Ikr I said the same thing
I also think they should have waited until Marsai’s character is old enough to be the main character for Grownish. I think the role would have been better suited for her.
They could've given Junior a spin off & it would've been better!!
I think greenish could’ve been amazing, but it’s just not for many reason. It had an INSANE amount of potential but she messed it up. It could’ve been perfect 😂
I'm glad they did a spinoff with Zoey because it was great opportunity for her story to be finally told, but instead they made her insufferably annoying and selfish. It could've been our generations A Different World.
@@tgirl1021 Honestly, if it's the same shitty writers writing it. I'm highly doubtful it would be better. Just a different character with bad writing. The writers didn't even know what the word "deadass" meant. Look it up smh.
Yessss I always thought Diane/Marsai should’ve starred in the spin off instead of Yara.
I think the only show that captivated the black experience was “everybody hates Chris” it was so on point with what black people go through but obviously In comedic way
Again only benefiting black men and leaving out black women...
Blue hair gerlo we don’t need to devalue or erase shows that capture black men’s experience..we need to have shows that capture black womens experiences too but don’t discredit what everybody hates Chris did for black men. We need both
Blue hair gerlo if a shows about a young black boy it should reflect his experiences..if a show is about a young black girl it should reflect her experiences
@@AwesomeDancer247 and where did I say its not needed? I'm only pointing out how black men are pron to get more attention and benefit rather than black women in media... How many shows have "the dark skin black girl" as a lead character?
@@ms.ferretmanthing2404 everybody hates chris was good for both black men and black women. Rochelle was just as much as of main character as Chris. I feel like the show was good at portraying the struggle of black mothers but also putting Rochelle in a good light.
“No girls darker than a hamburger bun” 💀💀💀 Amanda, you never cease to amaze me
i loved that remark too
The main characters all study different things so my question is: how is that they end up in the same classes in every other episode?
🤣🤣🤣Okay so the writers don't know how Uni works. Glad I haven't bothered with this show.
They take that one module that we all take... but maybe in first year or whatever...
Maybe a general class
It is a "Television Show" let's not forget that.
They are underclassman so they are not in their major yet haha. They are taking gen eds.
for once i would like for a black girl to have a show about nothing like white girls get and they never once mention her race
why can’t we get a clueless, legally blonde, fault in our stars or a mean girls type movie/show with a black cast and they aren’t made out to be gettho or something
Kat John
exactly why is it so hard to do that ?
moonbunny
correct me if i’m wrong since i’ve never seen the movie but i bet to all the boys i loved before didn’t mention the main character being asian every few seconds
@@xlectraheart not to contradict your point or anything, but To All The Boys I Loved Before actually does bring up her Asian-ness a lot... (for a more in depth explanation, here’s a link to an article from Plan A Magazine called “TO ALL THE BOYS I’VE LOVED BEFORE’ HAS CREEPY RACIAL THINGS GOING ON”: HTTPS://PLANAMAG.COM/TO-ALL-THE-BOYS-IVE-LOVED-BEFORE-HAS-CREEPY-RACIAL-THINGS-GOING-ON/)
Pizza Addict
okay gross then
When you watch this show and Blackish while actually being black you can tell these shows are marked towards a white audience
The only “Ish” shows that I feel actually gets the market is “Mixedish” and of that doesn’t say something i don’t know what does
Sarah Parker mixed•ish still kinda missed the mark, because it again only shows light-skinned mixed people. There are dark-skinned mixed people also
Kaamiishuu U True however i feel like they got the closest to the mark with Mixed Ish and tbh i just like how they’re portraying a healthy interracial marriage with a BW and a WM which we hardly see in Hollywood. As well as it is the only show with a dark skinned woman who isn’t ambiguous looking
im so fucking happy that I've never given either much time of day. I've found the acting subpar and I'm tired of "Black" shows with a mixed cast.
Sarah Parker Yeah! I agree, they are the closest to what they were expected to be. And I completely agree with you on the healthy interracial marriage!
A Different World walked so Grownish can trip and fall
isuckatcomingupwithusermames soichoosethisone 😂😂😂
Living single exhaled so grown-ish could inhale
LMFAOOOOOO
isuckatcomingupwithusermames soichoosethisone 👀😂😂😂😂
CHILE-
can we discuss how zoey's college life is so unrealistic.. like the only thing she struggles with is deciding which guy she wants and picking her dream job( unrealistic how she got it) or college
Masue Kamara THANK YOU‼️
This is mean but.. White girl problems
I don’t completely agree with the unrealistic part, I’m 18, in college and I’ve got my dream job working on a movie set. I think the show is unrealistic but it’s not some white girl dream it happens. My dream
Job is the reason I bought my first house @ 18
BlackQueen Goals good for you but you’re in the extreme minority.
@@Highlevelfaith19 you're the exception then, not the rule. And I'm not tryna be rude, just saying you and Zoey are the rare cases.
you should just name this series EWW ( Everything Wrong With)
That's genius
Hold up I think you’re on to something right here👏🏾👏🏾 catchy👌🏾clever👌🏾 AND unique
That’s gold
Well CinemaSins already does that
yessss
Also on Black-ish how they portrayed the darkskin mother. She’s crazy, scary mean.
Raven Smith and how they portray Diane’s character as “evil” and she’s the darkest child on the show and, coincidentally, the only child actor on Black-ish that is FULY black🤦🏾♀️ I’m so done with these “black” shows. I’m done
@@CrystalLovesChrist... mmmhmm. I will not be watching his newest travesty.
And Charlie is portrayed as neglectful, stupid & irrational
@@thedashaw5791 its ridiculous smh
Ruu Suleyman it’s funny though 🤣
The main problem is that none of the characters have any real character development and most of them are unlikable and unrelatable. Especially Zoey.
Vivek has really bad character development, but I would say Luca does more than anybody else. They don't know what to do with his character. Its just weird how he sticks around because he was never really friends with Zoey's friends & the sudden closeness with him and nomi was forced. They never developed him to be more than Zoey's bf. Sidenote: The friendship between the girls and Ana is unrealistic(I hate ana lol).
GROWNISH FANS!!! If you are interested, please consider signing this petition to the writers to finally grow & develop Zoey's character & side characters too. www.change(dot)org/p/grownish-writers-develop-grownish-s-zoey-johnson-s-character
Zara doesn't seem to be interested in this role. She seems bored!!
Yesitsmedaphne the problem with new black sitcom is that they are too woke. Even Dear White People is too dramatic for me. It’s ashame that black people
Have to constantly rely on BET and Tyler Perry to put out some real black experiences
ryan destiny is the prettiest girl i’ve ever seen in my life, she’s unmatched in the looks department periodt
That's all i could say when I first saw her shes stunning
Her and Normani are fuckin gorgeous and it is beyond crazy how underrated their presence can be some times. Hopefully as black individuals we can actually accept the fact that Colorism exist.
And Justine skye
Atonbara omg yes! How tf could I forget her 😭
Honestly! I can't even believe she's real.
Grownish shows these characters in full make up and 4 new hairstyles per episode...in college. College! Not even adults live like that. And how tf do they bar hop at 18 years old?!🥴
Alisha Cheeseboro lmao 😂 this college sounds like college here in Canada. We start bar hopping at 18
Fake IDs exist lol i definitely had a couple before i was legal
yeaaa they was tryna make it seem like zoey can do that to her hair everyday, yea ok😂
Yeah
I hate watch that show. It’s such a bad depiction of college. They was in the bar freshman year, not sneaking in or anything just there. The RA throwing parties on the floor with alcohol. A floor event?! That would never happen. They show class scene every five episodes. The HBCU themed trailer for the new season when Cal U is a PWI. I’m starting to think none of writers have been to college.
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You can not go to a bar in America when you are a freshman ?
Lunatic Blues you’re not supposed to drink or enter that place till 21, if im not mistaken
Pentagon of leader oh ok thank you 😊
My RA threw floor events. But def not alcohol. it be like let's binge Maury in the TV room and work on homework
Such a poor use of Ryan Destiny, and there is no reason for her to really interact with the rest of the group because they never gave her a real use other than mammying Zoey.
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Wow! I never looked at it like that but you make a good point.
Ong she needs 2 get ur ass back to star or sum, cause havin my girl Ryan say two words on screen wasn;t it.
Grownish :
" Don't be colorist"
"that’s enough activism for today"
this show tries to tackle serious issues, but it's done so POORLY imo!
And then they encourage the same things they want to tackle like colorism and homophobia🙄A whole mess and hypocracy at its finest
Kenya Barris teas
they really tried to be A Different World
I love everytime Grown-ish get dragged. It’s so bad and not realistic for actual black students. It doesn’t make sense at all.
LITERALLLYYY
Yara isn't even black so I don't know what expected?🤷♀️
neegas Yes she is lol her Mother is African and Choctaw
Never watched the show but the dragging is fun
Sarah Parker but her father isn’t black. Biracial people aren’t black!
I don't understand because Yara, Chloe, and Halle are all around the same skin tone but they act like Chloe and Halle are darkskin.
Vanity maybe because they have locs and they grew up differently than zoey maybe
yara father is Iranian, and her mother is African-American and Choctaw and Chloe x Halle are full black
Faxxxx like love make u dark skin
@@RealRamRamInThecut I know that but she's still around the same complexion as Halle and Chloe
Vanity it’s because of their feature.
Chloe and Halle are the only characters I like they also did Ryan dirty she's a great actress and could have been in the show more also I hate how Yara acts in the show like her character just seems off
Ryan’s only a recurring character so she’s not gonna pop up as much Amanda just didn’t mention that
The writers are making Zoey unnecessarily selfish and making her relearn the same lesson every ep. If you are interested, please consider signing this petition to the writers to finally grow & develop Zoey's character. www.change(dot)org/p/grownish-writers-develop-grownish-s-zoey-johnson-s-character
Yaras personality was the worse
@@anitadick3414 I'd just like her to disappear.
True
Anyway, we all know that Kayenne Barabbas doesn’t want to include dark skinned women. He literally said that “you don’t need a black woman to have a black family.” He wasn’t talking about single black fathers nor gay black men. He means a woman who is a whole different race. Girl I- 🤦🏿♀️
yup. he also thinks hiring dark skin black women is just meeting a "quota"
J Breonnuh Hmmmm.... Sounds something that Tyler Perry would also say🤔
@@Julia-ji9kr Tyler Perry is colorist?
neegas I don’t think that Tyler Perry is a colorist, but let’s be realistic here. They have very similar ideologies when it comes to representing black women. The difference is that Kenya Barris probably doesn’t like dark skinned women while Tyler Perry sucks at taking criticism
@@Julia-ji9kr .....so colorist 👀 I think even if they have different ideology the fact that Tyler Perry still represents lighter skin people better than darker skinned people who are more seen as jokes than his colorism seems subconscious
Ryan Destiny is definitely downplayed. And I couldn’t relate to this show at all. Dear White People (with its flaws and all) it’s a lot more relateable
IKR it was way more interesting cant wait for the 4th volume
the superior and way more relatable college show
Ryan Destiny is underrated & deserves more front & center credit. She's another Kelly Rowland in this case.
Zoey's life is unrelatable.
She grew up in a rich family and she was spoiled HEAVILY. She abandoned her friend for popularity [Ana]. Three boys were fighting over her and she choose Luka for unknown reasons. Became a fashion designer or something idk. She got mad at Ana because she started dating Aaron [EVEN THOUGH SHE WAS DATING LUKA] and it took two episodes for her to apologise [because of pride]. Then she kissed Aaron. Then she dropped out.
Omg the whole episode when she got mad at Ana for that!! I really thought I was going to skip it bc it was such bs!! Like who actually gets mad for that??
I don't even watch the show (would rather watch anime) and she already sounds like a shitty person for dumping her friend for popularity.
that sounds horrible
@@sachicocoa9013 she didnt dump her for that- this is a shitty review. Lmao
Also she should've chose Aaron. He actually was a better match for her. Miss me with this bullshit.
Tbh I feel like they only added Ryan destiny to the show so that people wouldn’t complain about there not being any dark skin women😭
I was thinking the saaaaaame thing 😭
Honestly ... I feel that.
And Ryan's character is just....there
Coco Adwoa She’s such a good actress, so it’s so weird to me why she has played such a small unimportant role
Exactly because her character adds nothing to the show. We see her like 3 times
My biggest issue is that we were promised a gen z version of A Different world, and then we got a hoity toity black girl in Balenciaga who takes adderall for 13 credits and does nothing but go to the club and complain about her relationships. nothing about Zoey is relatable to ordinary black college girls, at all.
Chiiile
This.
You were *right* on the money, Danielle! 😆👌
the show’s boring and unrealistic, they make it like college is middle school with the boys and shit they also make it about social media 100% of the time.
Don’t know how they expected to give the Hbcu experience at a pwi.
Can’t believe that let Aaron, a woke black man, date a white republican and let him state that he doesn’t date darkskin women. Wow
Brooke H. Well, I think that’s why he didn’t want to date her. They were just fooling around but when it came down to it, he didn’t want to commit to her. He probably felt guilty or idk. Hahaha
You'd be surprised by how many "woke" black men do that.
Yea, when u think about it a lot of black men who say they are pro black don’t necessarily date black women- they date white women(who often have racist family)
not surpringly a lot of hotep black men date non black women who are undercover racists
That’s called a hotep
You and As Told By Kenya broke this bulls**t show down so perfectly. There is clearly colorism in this show and they don't care. They lied about the premise of the show to bait black people into watching the show. There's nothing relatable or realistic about this show not once. And, I don't like any of the characters or "conversations" in this show. P.S. I love your style in this video. Glad I subscribed to you
Facts honestly
@@neegas3490 Its just one of the shows that will cause you migraines
They didn't lie about the premise of the show. Kenya Barris literally said "Where "Black-ish" examines what it means to be Black, "Grown-ish" is an examinations of what is is and what it means to be grown." All other criticisms of the show are completely valid, but I feel like we, as an audience, projected what we though the show was going to be based on what "Black-ish" is.
@@chowderscrib Not to excuse the bad writing, but I feel like that is a part of figuring out what being grown is. As a college student I've had multiple conversations discussing complicated issues in which we never actually answer the questions we are asking because we can't. We're still hella young and trying to figure things out. We don't have the answers. Shit, most grown ass adults don't. I feel like Grown-ish can occupy this space about being a Black girl in college without having to be all about Black and social issues because at the end of the day everyone's experience is different and there is not one way to be Black in a space. The writers could definitely handle things better, but you can't solve complicated issues like colorism, police violence, and mental health in a 22 minute episode.
Yasss preach!
i stopped watching grownish when they had them stand in line to register for classes.....no we wake up at 7am to press 'add class'
🤣🤣🤣 So true
what annoys me the most about this show is that it’s not relatable at ALL. in the first season, her main issue was every man on campus fighting over her during her FRESHMAN year 😑 and her sophomore year she became a CELEBRITY STYLIST ???? WHO DOES THAT HAPPEN TO ??? and then she dropped out FINALLY 🙄 (olivia jade tease PLEASE 🤧) and when they started this season with that beyonce homecoming NONSENSE for literally NO REASON and then ended with zoey dresssed as aaliyah for literally NO REASON it’s like they just do stereotypes to remind people that the show is supposed to be aimed at a black teen audience 🥱 anyways stream good trouble because they’re ACTUALLY making points
Icarly was a show that put characters in an unfamiliar situation, but we could still relate to Carly, Sam, and Freddie. So, grown-ish has no excuse for unrelateable characters.
i agree with everything else you said but zoey dressed like aaliyah bc her 21st birthday party was 90s themed there was a reason
El Lop they did her dirty with that wig tho tbh
@@angelat5554 they did? Shit I guess I needa wear more wigs then so I can catch someone slippin🤣😂😂😂😂😂
kimberly that shit was floating on her head with no real parting lol
Grownish loves talking about social issues while literally accomplishing nothing. Lol. And the COLORISM! Whew, chile.
Kris Be Knowin’ when season 1 came out I was wanting to watch solely for Halle & Chloe (never watched Blackish before) but I heard nothing but bad things about the show being problematic, then my faves like As Told By Kenya and Amanda started talking about this show being a show and yeah, I saved myself a lot of time from not watching apparently 💀
You dodged a missile! Lol
Kris Be Knowin’ I’m saying! 💀
Kris Be Knowin’ also your content looks mad interesting, I’m about to start watching and I can tell I already stan 👏🏿✨
Shane The Creative Awww. Thank you. ☺️ i hope you enjoy. Lemme know what you think!
We haven't had a black girl coming of age show since "Moesha." Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's been that long.
I guess my only response would be maybe "That's So Raven"?? Even though that was more comedy based...
@@jazminepolk7011 Raven was also lightskin tho
♡ SimplySimming ♡ so what ? She’s black
Ant farm?
Tru Jackson VP
I hate how she is supposed to be a broke college student but gets her hair done every scene or every episode with all that money she can be helping aaron with student loans
True but Aaron is not her husband. His loan is his responsibility with all the money she makes she should pay her own tuition
vizeas her tuition is paid her parents paid for it or I think she got a scholarship
I wouldn’t be helping with his student loans at all lol (and I need them to explain why his loans are that high). You are correct in her parents pay for her school/housing, and they were giving her spending money as well.
Therealprincessisis listen I thought I was the only one noticing the hair thing like?? How does she get her hair done differently every time!?!?!?!?
In what reality is Zoe a broke college student? Even in the context of the show she isn't. Like her parents are rich and pay for everything. And before you say they cut her off they did no such thing. They still paid all essential bills. Everything else like her japanese candy subscription has to be funded by her. She is not a broke college student. But yeah her hair being done up differently everyday??? That's not realistic even if you have money. The best you can give us is the look of the week. I mean I keep my hair braided up the entire semester because it is way too much work to even style it every week. Again the show is not being realistic at all. Plus someone did say the writers room is made up of black men over the age of 40. It tracks.
I 100% blame Kenya Barris. He was just on Twitter a couple months ago arguing with people because he has a new show called “black excellence “ with the same cast who are all lighter than a paper bag. He is a tone death colorist pandering to the white public. I’m usually all for black creatives but his shows need to be cancelled 🤷🏾♀️
Period
Even his show Blackaf💔
Florence Chipindu Kusangaya tbh though he was trying to portray his family and when you see pics of his fam irl they are all lightskins
I kinda like Mixed-ish though :/ The other two are really meh comparatively. I just LOVE Bow's mom in that! Her mom is a COMPLETELY different character in Black-ish, but she's such a badass in Mixed-ish.
Im a light skin gorl and ive never seen something so light gibe us an aunt viv sure the actor was crazy but she was a good one
This show feels like an interactive Episode story
Nailed it
charmbracelet 😂😂😂
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Fr piss poor acting
I also hate how they treat viveks character he's there for no reason and it seems like they purposefully avoid giving him storylines
As a white person, I really wish these producers would stop assuming that we (the white audience) wouldn't watch a show with a minority lead, and that they have to white-wash everything for us. It feels insulting - they're assuming that we're either completely dumb, or as racist as they are. Even if I can't personally relate to a character (obviously, if the show is specifically about the black experience, I won't be able to relate to that) I can still enjoy the show and enjoy seeing a story and an experience that's different to my own. This has already been proven - shows and movies with minority leads can do extremely well, even with a white audience.
love this
Thank you for that!!!
This show feels like "I can't be racist because I have black friends" which is SUPER WRONG FAM
One of the reasons why they didn't tackle the "colorism" episode right, is because the writer (kenya barris) is colorist himself
Exactly! He'd be forced to point a finger at himslef if he tackled it properly
No wonder why the cast is like that😣
His wife is white right?
@@danis8698 she's biracial
speak!!
My thoughts exactly! This is why I was so upset with “mixed-ish”. Dark skin women can NEVER get the representation we deserve yet we are force fed sympathetic stories about growing up mixed. It’s exhausting. If I complain about dark skin women not being represented I’m immediately labeled angry and bitter.
I'm not darkskin but I know for a fact that colourism is real. Everytime we see 'Black' women who are extremely light and have type 3b hair. It beats me honestly🙂
I love mixedish mom she is smart sexy funny a lawyer the bread winner and has natural hair 😍 definitely goals
@@eliza9011 😶
@@eliza9011 wtf
@@idaf3028 the mom in the show mixedish Tika Sumpter I think that the 4C 3c natural hair is underrepresented in media and I love that she rocks it out in very cute styles on that show
"there is a new netflix original every day about teen angst, in an ambiguous time period, set in an ambiguous country, the white main lead with an ambiguous best friend"
GIRL JUST SAY "I AM NOT OKAY WITH THIS" LMAO
Love your username
My thoughts exactly lmao. I'm still trying to tell if it takes place today or in the 70s or 80s.
Sara L I was questioning that too, but if I remember correctly didn’t they have cellphones?? It’s anyone’s guess as to what time period that show is set in 🤷🏾♀️😂😂
@@joanbereading but they're both great shows though
Sara L apparently it takes place in 2020, the director just liked the 80s aesthetic.
Disclaimer: Dont take your anger out on any of the actors and actresses getting these roles. Get mad at the producers and casting crew.
She wasn't mad at the actors....
@@Kyiaura yeah, I just wanted to clarify
Agreed still root for them all tbh
I agree to an extent; however I do side eye certain actors and actresses who take roles that they know perpetuate stereotypes or take roles that are obviously for a specific type of person. For example, when Zoe saldana decided she wanted to play Nina Simone 🙄. They had to literally darken her skin for the role.
@@JJ395 yeah I love Yara. It sucks that she has to play this unlikeable role. Irl she's amazing
Zoey Johnson is basically Rachel Berry and you cannot convince me otherwise: selfish, annoying, bratty, talented, zero character development after 3 seasons. Oh and they both have a black dad too, so there's that.
i see where you’re coming from , but rachel had redeeming qualities such as she was a VERY hard worker , funny , etc. also rachel didn’t have the pretty privilege that zoey or quinn from glee had.
Agree also Rachel was so overused
i was waiting to see this comparison
Zoeys more like Denise huxtable from a different world
I've watched both shows and honestly I'd say Rachel is worse. God she was insufferable, but I do see some slight similarities between the two
all the characters do in this show is use Twitter slang and piss each other off
Sarah Riley 💀💀
and they don't even use it right!
i don’t even watch grown-ish but amanda never fails to entertain me
Not only are dark skinned Black women not represented on this show, but indigenous Hispanic women and men are not either. It's annoying how whenever there is a Hispanic character in a show or movie, they choose an actor who looks more caucasian than indigenous.
And in Latin America there is no Black men and women rep.
unless it is a slave colonial times telenovelas.
Mileidy Gonzalez yes although I’ve been watching a Spanish Netflix show called Always A Witch which has a dark skin girl as leading role - although storyline involves colonial history as part of narrative 🤦🏻♀️
I know!! It makes me genuinely so sad. I get excited to be represented when i hear “latina actress” and then i find she’s blonde with white skin. It’s just disappointing.
They’ll have a lead “Latina” character, and it’ll be some white-passing Bella Thorne looking type chick
I get what you’re saying, but it’s a spin-off from a show called BLACKish... so the lack of indigenous latinx is still the least of our concerns rn. You’re out here sounding like Gina Rodriguez out here.
Honestly, the only show that is giving me representation is Sex Education. They gave us Ncuti Gatwa as a main character. They gave us Kedar Williams. They gave us Chinenye Ezeudu. The side characters gained more screen time and relevance later, but at least they’re in the damn show. Other producers should take notes.
hell yeahhh i love sex education
Sex Education has darkskin black girls in it? I didn’t know that, I think I saw on Twitter that they didn’t introduce a ds black girl until s3 but i must be wrong
They even had a dark skin south Asian girl which is basically non existent in main stream media.
@@ladybugred5641 it was season 2 when a dark skin girl was introduced. Her name is Viv and she is Jackson's tutor. Hopefully she becomes a main character because she was awesome.
@@ashleymailer6376 The first dark skinned Indian girl I HAVE EVER SEEN IN A MOVIE, and I grew up watching Bollywood movies
Sex Education has some diverse well-written characters and they introduced Vivian, a dark skinned black girl in season 2
...that is from Nigeria, and they even got her Yoruba name right! Bro that show is lit, even if I dislike Otis
U mean the unattractive fat black girl.
Zero black relationships represented
@@henshawosong5469 wow. Unecessarily rude! Maybe in season 3... ?
She’s still a stereotypical over weight dark skin girl. It’s better then nothing but still a stereotype
@@henshawosong5469 dude it's people like you who make the black community look like a joke
If Zoey is selfish, it's only because Andre Johnson is her father 😂
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No seriously! And I can’t stand Andre!!! His level of selfishness is beyond me!!
I can’t stand how self centered she is. Haha. Goodness. I be wanting to hop into the show and shake some sense into her
@@thedashaw5791 Anthony Anderson deserves better. 😭
My biggest issue with Grownish is the blatant homophobia towards Naomis ex boyfriend,Dave. All the guys were like “Oh, you can’t be with a guy who’s been with other guys”. And tbh i feel like a gay male would’ve been better for the show. Also the way how the only brown/dark skin person was a man and we NEED more brown and dark skin actors.
Sarah Parker and they wrapped up that Dave story line so quick and never dived into it at all . “It was just oh well can’t be with him next “
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Phatbaby1011 EXACTLY . It further perpetuates the belief that BM and BW hate the lgbt community and frankly i’m tired of it. Dave could’ve been an amazing add on to the series. I also hate how her relationship with Dave wasn’t okay for some reason but her relationship with a way older woman (that professor) was so accepted that if you didn’t like that relationship you were a bad person
Sarah Parker it was the perfect opportunity to also discuss the stigma around bisexual men . They had all the opportunity but instead you chose to gloss over it
@@neegas3490 EXACTLY! Like all of the problems on that show & thats what you have a problem with? Awesome
dear white people...that was a good one. i’m vividly remembering that scene with the unnecessary police force whew...they did that !
Her sister is HILARIOUS and she's super vocal... She isn't just comedic relief but also adds countering perspectives to the main characters.
I feel like the whole -ish franchise is just a poorly thought out School House Rock for made to ‘teach’ Black adults things that we already knew. Like I feel like my intelligence is being insulted when I watch those shows. This is not Hannah Montana, there does not have to be an apology and a lesson at the end of each episode like we’re 7.
Kelyce Allen i don’t think every episode of blackish has a message just a storyline sometimes lol
Nah Kenya just bases everything on his mixed wife and kids
I also hate the lesson-and-apology trope being present in adult shows (especially ones like The Goldbergs).
It's made for white people
I’m going to make a show that has dark skinned black girls as the main lead cause Hollywood they aren’t doing their job
Can I join you on that? If you are serious on it
Make it something nobody has ever seen before like, a 90’s theme or something it was a lot of black movements then black culture was becoming a “trend”
How about we make a show that has nothing to do with someone skin color. Sick of it
@@kaylynboyd2035 yep not about skin color but the main lead being a dark skin girl without all the stereotypes and maybe she dates a hot sharp eyed Asian guy and she has a dark Brazilian best friend 🤔😂
Blue hair gerlo I could see that time for something new
i was actually just talking about viveck to my friend! and asking why we finally having an Asian lead character and they made him the dumpy comedic relief AND he's a drug dealer??? i feel like this character has so much more potential and he has NO PLOT LINES and FIVE SECONDS OF SCREEN TIME! hang it up kenya!!!!! FLATSCREEN!!!!!!!
t dep I love the kenya quote 😭😭 I love when she says that
Also being the sexless Asian male character. Like how do they not see themselves?
There’s always one in college that is an actual drug dealer though
They did Vivek wrong. He’s basically treated like a sub-character in the series. He doesn’t get any storyline and when they did feature him more in an episode, they wanna make it seem like he was culturally appropriating 🙄
They should've cut Zoey the same way A Different World cut Denise. Everyone knows A Different World became a good show AFTER season 1 when Denise left.
TheLoveBomberz the issue isnt Yara Shahidi. It’s Kenya Barris. The writing is fucking awful. Blackish sucks. Grownish sucks. Mixedish sucks. I’ve given them all a try and the writing makes my eyes roll. 🙄
A Different World didn't cut off Denise(Lisa Bonet) because of her character, but was FIRED because Cosby didn't like the fact that Bonet got pregnant and that she wasn't a good look show. He's a sexist prick. Debbie Allen fought for her to stay. And it's not Yara's fault how her character is written.
I’ve said this same thing. Denise’s character on A Different World was whiney and made everyyyyything about herself. After she left, the show became a lot more relatable as they gave each character better plots.
After season one A different world switched from a white director to a Black director, that’s why it got better
@@katietreebier5637 The writing also got exponentially better in the second season.
I’m begging for that love triangle to PERISH! I’m so tired of zoey and Luca getting back together, breaking up, Luca disappearing for 2 episodes, then zoey kissing Aaron. It’s the same cycle every 3 episodes. That’s literally the only consistent plot of this show and its hate to say it, but “toxic”. Someone please find Zoey another man or Aaron another girl to prey on or make zoey and Aaron date, because it’s obvious that’s what’s gonna happen in the end.
Also the sexual harassment episode was so SURFACE. It’s was terrible like they brought up sexual harassment when the “victim” wasn’t harassed in the first place and then made counter arguments about if consent is necessary or not (??) then the conversation ended. Malarkey at its finest.
I hate when shows have groups of friends sleeping with one another. It makes no sense and it has been overdone
I swear colorism be feeling worse than racism sometimes. Hated for being black vs being hated for not being a 'certain' type of black.
There's a show about an African spy, I think it's called shona. The woman protagonist is light skinned, a african show with a light skin lead, make it make sense!
I was happy til you said light skin
Well I mean we don’t really feel the effects of racism (DIRECTLY) those years are behind us .... And while a lot racist acts still happen and of course black people get it worse... we as a people are highly stereotyped (not to mention we have the most negative stereotypes) ... and people (especially white people) innately have prejudices against us and it shows even tho they deny it
... I can see what ur saying tho ... when people are racist to the community today it’s towards everyone in the community... and when it’s colorism it’s like a shot towards you personally as you can feel more alone
Neil Rasbury He’s telling the truth, he said what was stated because it contributes to colorism. Let’s not pretend as if a dark skinned individual has the same privileges as a light skinned individual. From my personal experience I had literally got a job during undergrad under bullshit pretenses as I essentially “looked the part” because I was bright. This shit is real but the show isn’t hitting it right the way that it should be but I digress 💀.
As a South African I can tell you that the lead of that show doesn’t give a shit about colourism
Honestly all Africa media is like that. Light is right in Africa, this is why so many people bleach
What I also don’t understand is that in Black-ish Junior was the one who cared about school but the one who didn’t go to college (??)
Pamela Leal bow: so when i ask you what your doing & you say nothing, you meant it?
zoey: ....yea mom
This was stupid. I would have rather see Zoey not go to school and hustle to get the job she wanted and see Junior maneuvering at an HBCU.
They really yeeted us. Wasn’t Junior gonna go to Howard?
@@reet7060 yeah but he took a "gap year"
the target audience for grownish is 30 something year olds who wear shirts like “ Knuck if you buck” & “im not my ancestors”
Chilllle I don't know how many 30 somethings you know but ummmm we ain't watching this mess either 😂😂😂
This 33 year old couldn't relate in season one and is just finding out that other people share my sentiments 🤷🏾♀️
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IM FINNA PISS LMAOAOSOX
You know how Riverdale does too much? This show does too much and absolutely nothing at the same time.
Oh damn! That's even worse because at least Riverdale is infamous. Grownish is just forgettable
riverdale is at least ridiculous in a way that still funny but grownish is just fucking stupid
Riverdale only redemption is that it’s memeable
Riverdale is something you don't take serious, where as Grown-ish tries too hard, and misses the mark.
honestly at least riverdale has a darkskin woman as one of the main characters
A real conversation I had with a dark skin black man in college:
Him: This is the order of beautiful women
1. Light skins
2. Latinas
3. Philippinos
4. Brown skins
5. Brown girls (her in Toronto, brown people = south asian)
6. Dark skins
*me, looking perplexed*: So your list is:
1. Black girls
2. Lat..
*him, cutting me off
*: NO, 1. Light skins..
me, cutting him off LIGHT, BROWN, AND DARK SKIN BLACK WOMEN ARE ALL BLACK WOMEN! WHAT ARE YOU EVEN SAYING?! YOU'RE DARK SKIN!!
Him: I know but in women it's different
I've never heard one single apology about that conversation or seen a change in behaviour sooooooooooooooooo the show is full of shit lol
Bruh that's not all dark skin men
JESUS CHRIST the BLATANT colorism 🤦🏽♀️
@@washmycar2858 oh, I know. I'm married to a dark skin man whose never made a colourist comment. But....it's more likely and that's sad
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Justin Wickliffe She said with *A* dark skinned black man. A meaning singular
Grownish acts like Republican is a personality type
BROOO and to add, to all my Christians out there, when they revealed Ana was Christian, I bet y’all were like, “YES finally a positive representation of a Christian student on mainstream tv!” and was thinking the ways they can show the complexity of how it is to be a Christian but also want to enjoy the fruits of this world and it’s labors... which is hard because you question stuff sometimes or you bare down on your faith but then they went the stereotypical route and barely use her faith unless it’s during a dissertation with her friends..... like girl could’ve had a whole episode considering saving herself or having sex and it could’ve been dramatic....
Whewwwwww chile! Somebody finally said it lol
When Amanda says “walk with me” you know points are about to be MADE
Luka is such a trash character as well, people complain about Zoey’s character, but Luka’s is literally just a waste of space. He doesn’t have a storyline of his own, he only exist when Zoey is mentioned, the show never mentioned his background or his upbringing like they have every other character. I get so irked when they show him , all he does is get high 😷
Gkrocksyoursocks very true... I had hopes for Aaron and Zoey
Gkrocksyoursocks Fact. And he was a TRASH unsupportive boyfriend.
I hate Luka. Lol
I completely get your point, but at the same time he is also a rare representation of alternative poc and particularly men of colour who are straight whilst not being portrayed as super masculine
Maria Oguh right!!
AND KENYA BARRIS NEEDS TO BE STOPPED
Him, Tyler Perry and lee Daniels all needs to be stopped. Luckily lee got all his shows cancelled and folks are starting to see Tyler Perry true colors and might move on him. We need to focus on the black content creators like Issa Rae, Jordan Peele, Ryan coolger and dee Rees who are bringing new ideas to Black cinema/TV
They also casted the whitest Latina they could
And the oldest. She was in "Secret life of a pregnant teenager"2008-2013 and now she's in college
And the fact that they made her a republican knowing what an ugly over-cooked cheeto puff has said about ALL Latinos it’s just disgusting and disgraceful
@@lachamachina people won't change political beliefs that quickly. even if they don't agree with the person representing them
@@lachamachina and realistic. Lmao of course she’s a white Latina trump supporter.
@@sarab3417 exactly lol isnt she cuban? And a lot of cubans vited for trump so honestly i dodnt see a problem with what they did
All of Kenya Barris shows are colorist he always capitalize on a false idea of the black experience
I think grownish is trying really really hard to be like a different world but they're not doing a good job 😫😫😫😫
Carmen Domima they trying to be like a different world but without being in a HBCU
Kevin 5012 I thought they were trying to be like “Living Single” minus the brown and dark skins and in a college setting😭
@@chanellopezzzz I thought so but then I has to look deeper and realize how much a different world comparisons were much more clearer
Definitely think you mean Living Single, in living color is a comedy sketch show
Sorry I really ment a different world there trying to do a different world
Thank God we have Kenya Barris and Tyler Perry to give voice to the Black female experience. 🙄
EternalGuardian07 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😭😭😭😭😭
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TYLER PERRY I SCREAMED 🤣😂
Grown-ish makes The Neighborhood on CBS seem like a decent show. I said what I said. I find Bob Hearts Abishola a better "mixed" show and I give them credit for them taking on a different cultural clash angle than what others do a cop-out with.
😂😂😂😂I'm dying of laughter, I googled a picture of the director, and I thought Kenya Barris was a woman this whole time. A lot of stuff makes sense now and your comment is 10x funnier to me.
“ For some reason a fourth season is coming.” 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀 I canNOT.
I would love for a TV show that is like Gossip Girl, 90210 and Scream Queens that's a fully black cast. I'm talking about the damn cashiers, shop keepers and MAIN CHARACTERS. I want it to be like bratz but with all black girls. It would allow for them to express themselves in how they want because it's all black people. The complete eradication of dark skin black girls in TV shows is comical and ridiculous at this point.
PERIOD or atleast make a coming to age story about a black girls experience but with an original or organic twist to it. Honestly one day I'd love to make a coming of age story or a movie or TV show like you suggested but hopefully it can come soon cause I'm pretty young LoL
that's why I wanted a spinoff about Junior at an HBCU. with an all-black cast you can show all different cliques of black nerds and glam girls and e-girls and whoever else. but it isn't what we were given, sadly
@@daniellehonore7465 Junior was the superior child but I don't think people are ready for that conversation. He would've been far more interesting to see how he navigates college because he actually has a personality and is more likeable than Zoey. Zoey was the least interesting out of the whole cast because they just deemed her the "cool popular girl" but didn't even back that up. Cool and popular for what? Like what is she funny, smart, sarcastic??
Junior would've been such a good direction for the show but they weren't brave enough for it
Every black character in this show is poorly represented:
The twins: presented as mean/bitchy
Luka: presented as lazy artist player
Zoey: incredibly unlikeable
That other boy: forgettable
Douglas: ...he’s just Douglas there’s literally nothing I can say he’s aggravating
All black characters on this show are some kind of stereotype
Is it bad that I like noami the most?
@@sykildemarco Me too. She actually feels like real person and not a caricature. Her storyline is also the most interesting
doug is fine tbh
The other boy looool
the other boy lmaooo
I remember an interview where they basically say the writers room is a lot of 30+ white women and that Luka had to teach them how to use “deadass” properly.
He did not.
Stop.
Where can I find the interview?
@@BellesView I found the variety article! Just cntrl+f “deadass” and it'll take you right to the quote lol
variety.com/2019/tv/features/gen-z-tv-authenticity-elite-society-grownish-looking-for-alaska-1203298841/
ramenfever Thank you!
I'm DYING WTF
Grownish other than its obvious colorism problem and shallow tackling of social issues has me so fascinated that a show about college students shows them hardly ever going to class or studying like y’all are in school. Also follow my channel that chronicles the life of an actual black brown skin girl in college whose life is also quite interesting lol.
I wondered about that too! As a high schooler, I thought the show would bring light to the actuality of being in college and balancing your personal life, but it seems to do the exact opposite and just show drama.
Jesus loves you. “Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid or terrified because of them, for the LORD your God goes with you; he will never leave you or forsake you” (Deuteronomy 31:6).
also I kinda noticed that Asian people in general just don't exist in this show (like I know bivek is there but there are absolutely no other Asian people)?? and as a matter of fact, any of Kenya Barris's productions? especially with the "dating hierarchy" episode failing to mention how, statistically, Asian men are also at the bottom, with Bivek standing RIGHT THERE. again, we get a REPUBLICAN before we get diversity.
Sarah Riley there’s an Indian guy that is asian
@@Love25648 That's who their talking about. Vivek = the Indian guy
I don't watch the show but it's about "black people", so why would they be asian people ?
@@Az-bf8ik because having one (1) token Asian when there's an entire college campus is ridiculous. especially taking into account that pwis have a very large Asian population.
@@sarahriley2928 Yall can do your own show instead of complening that they're isn't enough asians in a BLACK tv show.
Black lightning is like the only show I can think of rn but I love them for getting across a message and representing US for us
black lightning is a banger 100%
Yes. It's great!
I love Black Lightning
They just got cancelled
Love Black Lightning!
“You believe I don’t exist. WHY SHOULDN’T I BULLY YOU?”
IM DYING 😂
Lol that's how I feel about Chloe and Skye's "aggression" like y'all deserve it.
Dear White People, Seasons 1-2 is everything I wanted Grownish to be.
Same premise, stronger writing, and stronger acting.
B.I.G. Talk TV dear white people is amazing.........
When they do cast dark skin women... pay attention to their features.
jonae moore it’s called featurism. Darker skinned women who play larger roles tend not to have Afrocentric features or they may have Eurocentric features as well in the mix with their Afro features. Which for the average black girl is hard to look up to because they don’t look like them. But that’s my opinion so 🤷🏾♀️
Elizabeth Akom Wiredu People got to stop adding the suffix “-centric” when it doesn’t make sense. Just say “European features.” Smh
gfoot99 but “centric” is the right suffix to use here. The features don’t necessarily belong to Europe so therefore, they aren’t European. A lot of Europeans have those features but so do a lot of non-europeans. Hence “centric”
Randomness 101 a black woman wearing their hair straight is “Eurocentric”. Because they chose to do that. A white woman having naturally curly hair isn’t “Afrocentric”. Because they didn’t choose to do that. That suffix is only used when someone actively makes a choice to look some way.
gfoot99 Eurocentric beauty standards means centered around or focused on European culture and ideals. I don’t understand why you are arguing about something like this. At the end of the day my message was clear. Stop trying to deflect to another point while taking attention off the issue at hand.
I had so many non black women in my mentions on twitter when i said ana is old extremely upset. i am a COLLEGE STUDENT. why tf would i want to see a 30 year old woman playing somebody my age? it makes no sense. lol
Mia Brown EXACTLYYYYY she was on one of my fave corny shows The Secret life of the American Teenager YEARS ago & even I was like why tf is she on this show lol
Honey Bee_ yeah. and she is noticeably older. there's nothing wrong w it but she looks her age. they're pushing it 😂 and i would understand if she brought something to the show but she doesn't.
On on my Block the girl that plays Jasmine is like 32 but she plays the role really well honestly
"DARKER THAN A HAMBURGER BUN"
I CANT
for no reason in particular I WAS ABOUT TO COMMENT THIS. LMAO I LOVE HER 😂
That took me out! 😂
“This show would do better on Disney +” 😭💯💯💯 It’s very childish and superficial. The lack of depth is better suited for pre teens who can’t communicate their ideas well....
Before i even get started: Zoey. Zoey is everything wrong with the show. She is actually a bad person, and has has zero character development.
MissBrittneyofCourse right zoey is not a anti heroine like in the sense of Carrie from sex and the city, Blair from gossip girl, or Scarlett O’Hara from gone with the wind she just has no redeemable qualities and as a personality is a horrible person
Then why not watch a different show? I wish they would develop her too, but if you think she is that bad, maybe don't watch a show based on her?
GROWNISH FANS!!! If you are interested, please consider signing this petition to the writers to finally grow & develop Zoey's character. A lot of people want to see the writers grow Zoey from constantly relearning the same lessons every ep and being selfish. www.change(dot)org/p/grownish-blackish-writers-develop-grownish-s-zoey-johnson-s-character
The problem is that they took a side character in Black-ish and tried to make her a main character in her own show. Her character was fine when she wasn't the main focus. But the cracks are showing in her lack of character development when the show focusses mainly on her.
@@kayk.2447 Honestly because I am more invested in the other characters. Also shows with Black leads need eyes so that networks see the value in not having all white casts. I see the show as a means to an end.
the fact that I never watched one episode of this series makes me feel like I dogged a bullet 😂😭
Me too omg ever since I attended college people kept asking me if I watch it
😂😂U n I
Lol I remember someone trying to show me the show literally many times and it was never ...interesting
Being Asian American( specifically Filipino), I didn’t know how to feel when Vivek was portrayed as Indian, but Filipino and Welsh in real life. They could’ve done so much more with the cast.
He’s FILIPINO?!?
@@kwadwothestan literally never knew that. Just shows how far detached these people are
I think one of the biggest problems with Grown-ish, overall, is its inability to juggle big issues and its actual story. Like, even if I don’t agree or think it’s the best message, sometimes it feels like an episode is about to make an interesting statement... and then boom, it makes it about one character or some personal drama. Someone makes a good argument, but it turns out they’re a hypocrite, which completely undermines it, or someone is mad about bigotry, but actually, they’re mad about something else
EXACTLY! and on top of all that it’s boring asf
I hate that too, and I hate that Black-ish did that in its colorism episode. There were too many light skin tears and they turned the horrible way Ruby has always treated Rainbow into a thing about colorism and her resenting being brown skinned. Like no lol.
Pizza Addict correct! it’s a baseless show with pretty and handsome characters. c’est fini.
“Not a person darker than a hamburger bun” IM SCREAMING 💀
I really hated how they made Zoe look like she was in the wrong for being concerned that her friend was dating a teacher...like what?
Exactly. Everytime Zoey is actually in the right about something (which is rare) she’s made out to be the bad guy and is expected to apologize. It’s so annoying and exhausting.
Yeah that was MESSED UP.
not to mention when the show was newer, someone tweeted yara and asked her why there was no darkskin girls on the show and she literally BLOCKED THEM.
Enny really???
Honestly those 2 girls she blocked were TRASHING her & the show under same breath by calling her and the show trash/cringeworthy and tagging her in threads saying the same, so they weren't just mentioning the lack of darkskin girls to her. But I'm glad she unblocked and called them and they apologized to each other.
If you watch Blackish then you know the character is just like her father & spoiled by her father. It makes sense she's an awful person.
Lasherne Dickson
i’ve never even watched blackish but i could tell this was the case by the dynamics between Zoey and her family whenever they were mentioned/on-screen.
I figured due to being in college (and how it was advertised) Zoey would have to learn about her own privilege, blindspots and grow out of being spoiled but....lol no.
Who are the White people who keep giving Kenya Barris money to make these basic AF bland shows?! STOP IT!
I don’t understand how Kenya Barris does nothing but make shows about himself😑
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Am I the only person that thought the one person that deserved a spin-off first was her brother JR not zoey cuz in blackish you never see that much of zoey tbh we mostly see JR and the twins.
ThatIgboGal 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Ur not the only one JR is a more interesting character to get a spin off
I feel you. But tbh honest I'm glad Zoey got a spinoff because it would have been an opportunity to finally know more about her, because we didn't on blackish, but the writers fucked it up. I feel bad for the actress. They keep giving her the shortest end of the stick like how they did Lisa Bonet.
@@jasminewilliams6162 true I blame the writers smh!!
This show makes Victorious seem Emmy worthy.
they really turned aaron's colorism into him just having crushes on women who look like his mom like what ?!
Not a person darker than a hamburger bun - a phrase that both hit me in my chest with relatability and made me choke on my own spit 😂
“Then we have Ana who’s old” lmao THANK YOU. This always bothered me she’s in the secret life of an American teenager ok like that’s how old she is.
She was playing a teenager on TV when I was in middle school...i’m 24 now💀
She's 31
i think if they didn’t dress her how they do and they changed up her hair and makeup she’d look so much younger but no they dress her like my granny
Always thought there was something weird about her. Lol
Faith I agree. I think they gave her granny attire to label her “the conservative girl.”
I even feel like it would be better if it took the route Euphoria has and each episode shows the lives of the other characters. Its so sad that there is no dark skin representation no matter how much we beg and plead for it I am convinced these directors just don't like us cause wtf. Then they bring a dark skin women on the show and her role is the women who is now dating Zoey's ex making many people who are actually fans of this show dislike her without even getting to know the character its just bs.
When ever zoey’s in a “bad/sad” situation I’ve quickly released that it’s always caused by the fact that she is soooo selfish (which honestly makes you have zero sympathy for her) and I think it’s partly due to her parents especially her dad (in black-ish) because he puts her on such a high pedestal compared to every other child in that family and its made her have such a big head growing up because everything evolved around her growing up ( she has even mentioned it herself in episodes in black-ish and it’s shown through her interactions with her parents, siblings and friends) . Character development NEEDS to happen real soon cause she’s let so many people down due to her selfishness and not being able to tap into how her actions effect others. It’s literally becoming so draining and annoying watching her character go through the same selfish loop but with a new friend every season.
The fact that I just saw your community post and then get a notification about this video. The government gotta be watching me. I’m gonna watch this tomorrow at work when I’m surrounded by the whites.
Lorraine Pemberton lmaooo “surrounded by the whites” sent me but same😂😭