@@kingmono please read my comment completely. Hello from Spain. I'm sorry but I count hold myself from commenting, I will note I feel offended but I will be civil about it. The reason behind I'm offended is because my country's history and heritage is being used in a cultural and identity war that has nothing to do with us. Now this being said I'd like to point out a number of things. 1) Galician is a language of its own, "Galician Portuguese" is not only a false statement but also offensive as it denies the identity of Galicia and Galicians. 2) Moor comes from the Spanish Moro which literally means coming from Mauritania (which is what the Romans called what today are Morocco and Algeria) as per the RAE dictionary. 3) In Spanish Moreno literally means tanned, and is used to refer to anyone who isn't white although that is not popular anymore it certainly was in the past. Nowadays it only refers to someone who is tanned. 3) The Christian Kingdoms of Spain formed after 711 were NOT visigothic, not ethnically, linguistically or culturally. 3) The Christian Kingdoms of Spain (from now on the Spanish so as to simplify) did not describe the moors as negros (blacks) but rather as similar to Arabs and did take time and care when describing their armies such as naming each of the ethnicities composing them, Berbers, almohades, almorávides (all of this are collectively called Moros), Arabs and blacks. 4) Evidence of the previous point is that when the Spanish gave a description of the battle of Las Navas de Tolosa and how Navarra got it's chains for the flag, they describe that the moors chieftain's tent was guarded by black soldiers that had been chained to one another all around the tent. Now, why would the Spanish take the time to make a distinction between black and moor if all moors were by defacto black? That's not within our culture or tradition. Please I would like that you take in to account the Spanish point of view, accounts, descriptions and general history in further videos as I don't feel like we are being properly represented even though this is OUR history. You seem very knowledgeable on the moorish side of Spanish history but seem otherwise ignorant (for lack of a better word, no offense intended) on spanish history proper. I only mentioned you here because I really want to make sure that this comment reaches you and you read it.
Droppin by from Metatron's response to this - Just wanted to say its great to see respectful and interesting dialogue/debate between two youtubers that disagree with each other. I think you're doing good work, and presenting arguments in a way that can actually be respected and understood, whether I agree with the conclusions or not; which makes you a hell of a lot more convincing than most who touch on race-related topics.
yup....me as well....this is the way people should engage in disagreements. none of us were actually there....alot is left to be filled in so things are frequently going to be out of alignment. Debating history in this manner shows integrity and that gets a subscribe from me.
This guy is a clown, an absolute clown and a liar when it comes to Egypt or the moors or anything black he is a sub-Saharan clown with a fake British accent so he sounds more intelligent
To say that the Moors were black is kinda inferring that they were not Arab or other types… More likely, the Moors were the ruling Muslim Arabs, black mercenaries and slaves (conquered people themselves and forced conversions), and other people with various hues of color. To check to see who really ruled Spain for centuries, one may have to do research on the rulers. I bet that they are all practically Arab and not black!
A remarkable video essay, as usual. The large amounts of time and research invested into your work is evident, and your passion for history clearly shows. I can easily see your videos being explored in classrooms, and you yourself as a college professor someday, perhaps. Thank you for your work - we applaud you!
as i commented under the Metatron clip, in the German language Mohr (the german Moor) means literally a black man. "Der Mohr" or "der kleine Mohr" (the little Mohr) is a common theme in old german fairy tales and childrens books. There are also old pharmacies all over Germany that are called "Mohrenapotheke" (Moorish pharamacies) and they show on their old coat of arms a head of a black man. There is a german chocolate speciality called Mohrenkopf (head of a moor) also called Negerkuss (kiss of a negro), but due to political correctness they banned the terms in recent years. In older gemerations it was fashionable to name black cats "Mohrle" (little Moor) So in german the word Mohr to this day literally means negro with no ambiguity at all. (I am german by the way)
Can you Germans and others that have moorish history tell these white people in America? They are so ignorant they really think they are from America 😂
mohr and Mauro where the word came from is two diff things the Mauritanian Kingdom wasn't ever black, and GERMANY had a nothing to do with Rome, this how I know you're dunce. 🥴 Morocco is a landmass connected to Spain which was the Mauro ibero kingdom... Senegal where tropical black subs are... FAR FAR away from Morocco kmt leave north Africa AND north africans alone, you bantu and massa colonisers ain't even AFRICAN since that's not your tribe it's an amazigh tribe named after an amazigh deity she wasn't black 🥴🥴🥴
Native German speaker as well: 1. Bringing in the N--kiss here is completely unnecessary & racist - it has nothing to do with “Mohr” but became popular during the late 19th century. There are 2 etymologies of Mohr: One is: Das Mohr which is the marshland, the swamps. This is the origin of the German family name. A carrot is either as a loan word from French: A Karotte but Mohrrübe is another common word & has nothing to do with the people referred to as Moors. Moor during the Middle Ages was used to refer to any Muslim regardless of appearance but as non Christians aka “pagans” they were usually imagined as “Äthiopier”. Moor only referring to people of common African appearance established itself during the 16th - 18th century, especially when the “court moor” became en vogue. These moors were not necessarily Muslims. 3. Consequently, as the word “Moor” is historically linked to the human trafficking of the Transatlantic slave trade & the “Hofmohr” is especially linked to the abduction & the enslavement of children, the image of a foolish person, it is racist in Germany & should not be used anymore.
St. Maurice, an Egyptian, Christian Roman soldier, was so black and his Egyptian name so difficult for Romans to say, that they basically called him "black" AKA "Maurice". A name that you can see is related to the word "Moor" and "Mauritania"
They are lazy they call many blacks they find in Europe from That era Saint Maurice trust me. How can someone wearing Holy Roman Empire attire be from Egypt.
@@eingoluq he's still famous for the ski resort now named "St.Moritz"! Go ahead, tell me, "I. am factually incorrect ", only this time, mention why and some proof,when you make your silly claim, ? sorry eigoluq, this was aimed at,"Chris'. The Professional LIAR!👀
@Chris-m8e yes you the inveterate Liar, should pity me , so why don't you tell me where the library of Djenne is, and perhaps how old it is, in fact just answer one of my questions, and keep your racist "pity" for yourself😮
The bull fight is the story of how spain conquered the Moors of Spain. At the end of the fight, the bull is gored. The running with the bulls is how they chased the moors out of spain. The head of the bull represents the Moors.
The Festival/parade of the Moors and Christians in which white Spaniards paint their skin jet black and wear Afro textured wigs and re-enact their history. Black Pete character….a tradition in the Netherlands again jet black skin, Afro hairstyle. Shakespeare knew who the Moors were and wrote and described his characters in his books. Of course Hollywood has cast many Black actors as Moors. Sidney Poitier, Laurence Fishburne, Morgan Freeman, Jamie Foxx, David Harewood, Martin Lawrence, Keith Hamilton Cobb. Lastly actor Sir Laurence Olivier played Shakespeare’s Othello character in blackface with short bushy hair in 1965!! That speaks volumes…
@@Incog80 obviously what the comment says. Did you read it or did the word Mexico strike a chord. The Roman Spanish moved most blacks from Mexico too. And they are matadors now. What a joke.
in 500 years , the african american , weren't really black , they were really blah blah , look at the remains of patrick mahommes , whom some are claiming to be black african american, his remains clearly show he was red headed white man , so the true african american was people with white traits, argument 500 yrs from now
A page from Elia Levita’s 16th century Yiddish-Hebrew-Latin-German dictionary includes the word Cushite or Cushi translated to Latin as “Aethiops” and into German as “Mor”. The term has nothing to do with Muslims but everything to do with a dark skinned people!!!
I took part in a Morris Dance in school (many many moons ago) and, if I recall correctly, the clothing, now in retrospect, reminds me of what is worn by Black Pete or Swarte Pete in The Netherlands (Black face). In the South West of England (Cornwall / Devon), which is very close to Wales, there is an area known as Dartmoor, and the older languages used in the area would be Cornish, which shares origins with the Welsh language (Cymraeg) in Celtic. There are a few places in the UK with the word Moor directly in them, including Dartmoor, Exmoor and Addlestonemoor. Thank you for the memory jog 👍🏾
Now what I’m about to state is based on a movie.. so do with that what you will. But in the movie “Black Knight” staring Martin Lawerence (a black man). Martin’s character was referred to as a “Moor” throughout the movie by the general of the King’s army.
There is a man called Gustav Alfred Badin in Swedish history, I wount go into details you could google it if you like. He is labeled as a "slave" (with non slave clothing). He was born in St Croix in the Caribbean. He wrote a memoir, wich is labeled "Gustav Alfred Badin, Morianen" (paraphrasing). Morianen in Swedish would be translated to "The Moor". To me, the word Moor means black in europe. Not an ethnicity just a way to describe a dark skinn man/women in europe.
Bravo my good brutha , just got around to watching in its entirety. Knowing that you're doing what you do cuts my anxiety in half , as I often would become stressed out by the obvious lies I would hear people reiterate. You are an intellectual warrior in this field & I estimate that in 5 to 10 years , if we don't let up , children will be taught in school a more truthful versus of African history. Ase' 🙏🏽👊🏽
@WriteTrax I with the brother here. Maori are quite a distinct culture. I moved here in to Huntly in 2005 and went to Turangawaewae marae a few times. Back then there were older Maori (now since passed) who were quite dark in complexion. My first hongi was with a man with Tamoko but he was almost as dark as I am. 20 years later with interracial marriages and what not, they are much lighter and use the term "black" as an insult to darker-skinned Maori. It's all in the guise of "tongue-and-cheek" humour but I'd say that's mental colonisation. Do you remember when National Geographic was doing DNA tests and they did an episode on that red-haired Maori lady and her family? Her koro told her that they came from Persia bypassed Africa by following its eastern coast line towards the south then passed through South America before eventually cruising to Aotearoa. The DNA results supported her koro's story and she was so proud to know it what she believed was true the whole time. I wonder why they wiped that from the archives. What do you reckon?
@WriteTrax haha that's actually cool AF. I lived in the South for a minute too. You make a great point there. I have experienced that same thing with Africans. With us they call it colourism but at times it seems skewed. Our respective people are related, Maori of all complexion to all Maori for yours and African to African on ours. Crack and alcohol did a huge number on people here, especially in the Waikato. Te Atairangikaahu did not fight for this result but I worked at the casino and her son was a regular and a card holder even leading up to his passing. It was a sad reflection if the leader of the people is like this himself. I pray for Maori here in Aotearoa. They are being systematically weeded out.
🤣🤣 So let's get this straight. I'm dying here. 😭😭 1. His opening sentence is half of Wikipedia's opening sentence. 2. His respresentation of Moors in European art work is of dubious provenance seeing as the segments of the Cantiga de Santa Maria he shows as depicting Moors isn't actually depiciting Moors but misclellaneous groups of mercenaries and white slave soldiers, mislabelled on Wikipedia by bad actors. 3. In doing this, he omits art from the very same canon, which when specifically labelling characters as Moors, shows black persons. 4. He conjurs up phantom quotes by Herodotus about Morocco and the Moors (as demonstrated by others) in a Laurel and Hardy-style attempt to demonstrate white people woz Moors n sheeeeee. 5. He uses default AI-generated images that rank number 1 on Google's search to represent a Moorish general clearly drawn as a black man in near-contemporary documents. 6. And then proceeds to talk falsely about the Moors who WERE black, as being part of one great slave faction... But of course he never used Wikipedia a day in his life, just has a whole load of wikipedia talking points, coincidentally.🤣🤣🤣 How to expose Metatron as a shill and fraud, without actually saying he is a shill and fraud. Thank you, King! Real smooth brother. Death by a thousand Kisses. I love it! Roll on part 2. ✊🏿💪🏿
@Trasrok phillipino moro and Sri Lankan moro were called so because they were closely related to negritos. They were dark skinned populations who complexion are well within the range of everyday 'black' people. You cant qualify this argument because ALL moro are phenotypically very dark... even till this day!
@Trasrok many of the moro were negritos, most were massacred. Filipines population was majority negrito before portugese occupation. Didn't you know that?
Thank you for this video. Glad Metatron is no longer using Sub-Saharan. It is a misnomer. It is amazing that we are still discussing what race were the Moors. Years ago, the Moors were referred to as dark skin, negro or black as you stated even by writers like Shakespeare and others, and also historians. Thank you for showing the images and discussing the misconceptions about the Moors.
They have to use it because they don't want to acknowledge the fact that black people were all over the world and were a major part of history the further you go back. White people have to hold on to these lies because they will realize they had nothing to do with much of history until Alexander the great
That is a selective-interpretation. There are dark skinned people that are not african or black but to white people they would be dark and possibly described as black
The fact that they were refered to as black by other people (who've never seen them in the first place) doesn't mean the original real Moors were "black" in the modern US-centric sense.
@@noamto Some Asian, middle eastern and other people have varying skin tones that range from almost white to black. It means nothing about race. Some of references to black could also be as when othello is referred to as black which is more about character than skin tone. People forget about symbolism in art and literature
@@mw3309 That's a classic "No True Scotsman" fallacy, which undermines your entire argument. Either address the points directly, or acknowledge that you can’t.
He is a Eurocentric off course, so he will dispute black ancient history, especially when it comes to consciousness of blacks in regards to our rich past.
Metetron is a professional white washer. Every video of his is the same. The Moors who live through the medieval period have tons of historical contents linked to them. He never puts all the facts of any group of people on the table but instead pulls out a few things he would like to talk about and proceed to give his opinion on why its not black. At the end of his video all we have is his opinion.
Yes, there were so- called black. For the life of me I can't think of the movie's name were Dennis Hopper said the Italian Sicilians was interbred by the Moorish people and Christopher Walken I'm putting it nicely here that's not exactly the word he said.
The problem with metatron is that he many times relies on wiki articles and known bias talking points that have been dismantled time and time again. Metatron should sit back and critically think…. just think African people existed before civilization and after, 100s of thousands of years older than anyone else . before there was nothing there was Africa & if you truly think about this and remove all bias it’s only Common sense that black people would have been heavily in the mix of almost everything back then, with only a more recent agenda to remove this simply to justify the mistreatment that happened to these very same people in more modern times. It’s almost as if it’s a way to hide the guilt…..
@@Chris-m8ewhy you ignore all the African kingdoms that fought back against the European invasions ? Talk about how the catholics have the green light to get down Africans
Practically everything we’ve (not just blacks, but all people who aren’t part of the elite bloodlines) have been taught about history has turned out to be lie’s. The things that we’ve been taught are myths have turned out to be true truths. When you think about how carefully so-called Greek mythology , has been preserved, I don’t think it’s a stretch to consider that it is actually historical fact. We have all been lied to on a massive scale. Have you ever heard of Tartaria & the world wide cataclysm called the Mudflood ? If not, look into it. It’s very interesting
@@ChiquitaSpeaks all manipulation to round up his fans lol A lot of straw man arguments will be said focusing on everything besides black being Moor. Quotes from outside sources that would have minor to nothing to do with the sources mentioned in here. I can see it all coming smh lol
All this truth coming out is nothing but prophecy. Jeremiah 16:19 “O Lord, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the GENTILES shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have INHERITED LIES, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.”
Funny, I learned about the Moors through the Spanish Blackface feastivals, but despite the 15th century attire, they say they are the 3 wise men, but in no way shape or form do they dress in 1st century clothes? TBH, you could do a video about the 3 wise men being black, and naysayers would come along and say no, and then mention something about slavery lol. I am unsure how Africans got to Australia, Paupa New Guinea, Melanesia but only stayed in Sub-sahara Africa, please make it make sense. Of course we were in North Africa before the Arab invasion.
Metatron would acknowledge a fact that poses no threat to his agenda in order to give the appearance of objectivity. It is calculated and deserves no credit.
Greetings! I just came over from Metatron's video in a dialogue with you and subscribed. I look forward to hearing your recounts of history. He recommended you quite positively. I am somewhat of a scholar with 2 degrees, one in Anthropology. We all have a passion for facts. thank you for your meticulous work.
Here from the metatron's channel and I like how you went about this video critiquing his you obviously put a lot of time and effort into it keep up the great work
What is funny is Metatron addresses his followers as “Noble Ones”, which is the original names of “The Aryans”, before white Europeans wrongly defined it as a white racial definition.
It was never misunderstood by the Europeans, Austrian Painter excluded Iranians from the Nuremberg laws. He knew that they were the southern caucus group.
@@sephirothbahamut245 I don't know where he got it, and don't care. Just think that the guy who is constantly attacking the placement of Black People in advanced civilizations and movies starts his propaganda videos with a term than is the translation for Aryans. Also, how do you know? This is a bit fishy, Kyle.
@@jamesstewart917 someone asked in a q&n and he brought up the comment from a very old video, we're talking way before he got a sizeable subscribers count. Either way, I don't see that "constantly attacking the placement of Black People in advanced civilizations and movies", have you seen his video about Amanirenas? I highly suggest checking it
@ I don’t care. Yeah, I’ve watched his videos. He is constantly doing videos about “black people didn’t do this, and “didn’t do that.” He is trying to look a bit less anti-Black cause he keeps getting caught on his awful methodology.
I can attest that the word for 'Arab' in Turkish, which is 'Arap', was stimutaneously used for Black people no matter what their features were. What mattered to them was that they both shared dark brown (Black) skin and therefore the word 'Arap' was used interchangeably for Arabs, Bantus, Nilotes etc.
Hello TKM, I just watched your video after watching Metatron's response. Although I am not entirely convinced by your arguments you absolutely brought up great points that caused me to investigate further! I want to add that your civility in approach was so refreshing and helped so much in me listening to your facts and opinions. I applaud you for your healthy dialogue and the mutual respect between you and your opponents, it shows great strength of character and intellectual prowess. Kudos!
The confusion begins when people correlate the word Moor with “black” when someone says Moors weren’t “black” they are aren’t necessarily wrong whether they know it or not. The word black wasn’t traditionally used the way we use the word now in modern times. Etymologically the word black comes from blaek, pale, wan, varnished or died. It was later changed to mean what it is now. In medieval times they would use words such as tawny, ruddy, swarthy to describe someone of dark hue. Besides, our ancestors didn’t equate others by the color of their skin, but by nationality and culture. So when one refers to a Moorish, you automatically think dark skin due to the national, cultural, and ethnic background of the person. There was always an agenda towards so called black people and they try to hide their Moorish history by combining truth and falsehood. They don’t want the masses to know the significance that so called black people had or Moors had in history. So when one says that Moors were Muslims they aren’t wrong, when they say they aren’t black they technically aren’t wrong. They’re just not telling the whole truth. I’m a Moor myself and it took me a lot of studying to fully piece together the whole picture. But Moors are dark skinned and have always been since time in memorial.
I agree with a lot of this and will be tackling this in part 3, which is the etymologies. It's a complex conversation, too complex for a 20min video... hopefully I can do this complexity some justice over the series.
@@kingmono man stop listening to these ignorant people. They just want the word “Moor” not to be black. You have produced great content but you need to watch “Sara Suten Seti” to get a better understanding of esoteric knowledge.Some of these guys complaining in your comments watch video from people who don’t know what they are talking about.
Here after Metatron's response to your response because I liked your video structure. Here's a comment, like, and full view for channel growth as I watch your back catalogue.
This was great work, like how you breakdown the images, Slavic slaves never even crossed my mind, looking fwd to your uploads, GrassySea also made an excellent reply.
Metatron has been a boon for this corner of black scholarly UA-cam. I've never even heard of any of you but the controversy is getting you all noticed. Good job dont stop!
I'm West Indian born in the West Indies (an American territory), not a crayon box. Black and white as ethnicities is a social construct. People of all shades are found all over the world...go figure
when i was young we didnt use term white, in fact people would be lmore likely to call a black jamaican british rather than metatron as they would have said he was mediteranean...this was in SW enngland where i think I was 15 before i actually met a black person, and he was an african exchange student at the school...and if I remember rightly there wasnt an racism towards him...this was in 1990....things ahve changed a bit
Metatron acts like r-cism didn’t exist with historians or Egyptologist. I have nothing against bro he’s a good dude, but we can’t forget that people we rely on for history cared little about us or Megatron. He needs to only look at the lifestyle of these Presidents, Egyptologist, popes, law officials etc and wonder if they seem trustworthy.
Haplogroup E1b1a has been found in Spain/Portugal (Iberia) amongst the Moors, it's also mixed with R1b sickle cell anaemia is also found in the samples. The haplogroups and the Sickle Cell disease is the key to the Moors identity. The ancient inhabitants of Iberia were Celts at some point they migrated from the Chaldeas (Sumeria).
The Moors (an exonym word uses by the Portuguese/Spaniards) were referred to the Iberian and Maghrebi muslims who are Amazigh and Arabs but later applied to other muslim converts. Also not everyone in Afrika looks like Bantus or West Afrikans. I'm Malagasy from Madagascar and we are more related to Asians. People in Eritrea and Ethiopia are probably more related to West Asians too.
I don't think looking at 1800 in UK for sources is the best way to confirm your reasoning. I suggest looking more at Spain and Portugal. To this day the word Moor is being referred to someone of North African descent - Arab looking. Especially - Morocco, Algeria, and Tunisia. Sometimes even as a slur. As a European myself, I have never heard of someone saying that Moors were white, but Arab. I encourage people traveling to Morocco or Algeria to see for themselves.
@Darthi9 by itself perhaps, but that was only one of numerous arguments made. In part 3, concerning etymologies, I will make the case very clearly that the term has mostly followed dark skinned Africans since the middle ages, and prior to that was used for specific populations of phenotypically african north West africans. I have spent time in the middle east and Africa. As mentioned in the video, the influence of caucasian, Turkic and European slave imports, punctuated by colonialism have had a massive impact (phenotypically) on the region so you can't take a pressntist view to these matters.
@@kingmono the Amazigh/berbers of the Maghreb have Amazigh ancestry. There are no Caucasian, European or Turkic ancestry found among the berbers in the Maghreb region. Only some berbers have Arab ancestry or Iberian ancestry in Morocco, but no genetic evidence suggests they have ancestry of Europeans or Turkic people. Do you have any sources or genetic studies to back this claim you made? The majority of the Maghreb region are berbers with some having Arab ancestry.
@@kingmono the Maghareb people do not have significant Arab, European or Turkic ancestry. Genetic studies done among the Maghareb populations show they mostly have Amazigh genes with only a minority having Arab and Iberian dna. About 56% of the population of Morocco haplogroups is e1b1b and 20% are J-P209. E1b1b is rare in West African populations. Also not only did the region import European slaves but also West African slaaves.
Moors come out of Haiti! Florida is Spain. The sun rises in Florida. Mor-n-ing. Morocco means the hover over the people that’s why the star on the flag has a shadow under it. The shadow is why all the images were black or covered before they change everything to throw us off. Haiti/ Hispaniola is where the son rest before it rises in the east coast and sets on the west coast of the americas.
Massive probs to you staying Respectful and not attacking the man Himself, instead discussing in polite manner about the arguments and points! 🙏Great video as always.
He literally said that many Moors were black, just not all of them. It is like saying no North Africans today are black people. Which would be equally mad.
@@sephirothbahamut245That means nothing. It’s a trope within Eurocentric circles to limit and center so-called Black accomplishments solely to the Nubians. Soon as that topic is broached, now there’s suddenly no equivocation on the term “black” and it being applied to Nubia, despite the rabid obsession hypocritical Europoid obscurists have with berating us to not anachronistically apply “modern terms” to ancient peoples (almost verbatim from their playbook).
Before saying it is historical revisionism, I think it's mostly a cultural and linguistic thing. I'm from Latin America, I've heard countless times the term moor to refer to Islamic people or / and black (or at least darker than white), so my conjecture is that this isn't only a Latin-American thing or Hispanic, but from all romance language countries (Metatron is Italian). I'm curious, is there a way to know when the term started referring to both groups?
@@Jalixsa Morocco is a country, Bantu are one ethnic group of people in Africa. Most West Africans aren't bantu. Obviously you don't know the difference.
Why just stop looking at someone's skin in order to judge an argument? It'd be like me and Metatron complaining about a black person talking about Italian history just because they're black
I’m an avid reader and I agree 1000 percent, there’s way too many strangely poorly titled and poor wordage about “blacks” in THEIR articles.. and it’s all done on purpose! I notice it often, and have begun archiving these when I find them.. ideally, putting out counter-perspectives on these old topics in history is VITAL in the cleaning up the Afro image. They have spent centuries writing books tarnishing and degrading, the books and articles are too numerous, and we WILL WE MUST do the work REWORDING, REWRITING, INJECTING OUR VOICE AND PERSPECTIVE, TELL OUR OWN STORIES! Thank you brother outstanding work as usual and VERY VITAL POINT BROUGHT TO LIGHT 🙏 Representation matters then and now and future !
dude you are the G.O.A.T , all FACTS!!!!!! no afrocentrist feel good mumbo-jumbo , superb work king , much luv , one day i'm going to contribute something special to the cause
Just because a word grew to mean something, does not mean it originally meant that. Metatron states this in his video, but you need to look at primary sources to see how Moor was being used. Moor comes from Mauritania, the Roman word for the region of what is now Morocco. That it would later be used to refer black people does not mean this was its original meanings
@LouisKing995 you are correct, it did not originally mean black. The word is actually an endonym which by the time of the Romams had come to mean black. The word actually has indigenous roots and wasn't coined by the hellenes. But the point is there is lots of textual evidence that even by the time of Plutarch it had become a synonym for blackness. I will be discussing this in part 3.
@ What evidence is there that the Romans used it to mean black ? They called the people of the Maghreb Mauri as transliteration of their own native name. Why would they do so, when the Maghreb has always been ethnically diverse place ? Or at least it was by the time of the Romans.
Just if they read the arabic records and historians this is not even a debate it’s a part of the Arab world’s cultural heritage. Al-Andalus is mostly an Arabic story-Arabic was the main language, and the culture was predominantly Arab and Amazigh (Berber). The narrative that the people of Al-Andalus were mostly Black doesn’t align with the historical evidence. The conquerors were the same groups we identify today as Middle Eastern and North African
the "arabs" at the time quite literally described the moors themselves. like in Arabic many times would distinguish themselves from the moors and call them black. but still doesn't take away from the gigantic pile of evidence of the moors being black
@@SoulLa-x5n so instead of saying "nuh uh!" you could a just asked for me to provide a source of two. what time of response is "no they didn't ". what I hate most bout people like you is that for some reason all academic common sense gets thrown out the window. am I to assume you've read every piece of historical document out there or something? lol again you could have just asked me to provide a source to back up my claim. this is why we can't engage in an academic conversation whether you agree or not because no matter what I provide, it'll be your "nuh uh" over any research we may have done. bye bruh
@@adamajobe1756The Moors no longer existed at the end of the Roman era. The major cities of Morocco date from the Moors, the oldest are from 1200 BC. The last King was Juba 2 who was the husband of the daughter of Queen Cleopatra of Egypt. Their gigantic mausoleum exists. Europeans continued to use this word Moor. Even in France, there is a very common first name which is Maurice (Moor). During the time of Al Andalous, there were blacks among the Muslims. It was only with the racist propaganda of the Middle Ages that Muslims were called Moors and blacks.
Just came by after Metatron’s response. Great respectful discourse. Looking forward to checking out your other stuff. Hit you with a sub and can’t wait for the rest of this current series.
What an elegant video, you got a sub from me for sure. I did 2 book reviews on my channel on the books “The Story of the Moors in Spain” and “Othello’s Children in the New World” and the latter also discusses how in the Journals of European Explorers they described the Aboriginal Inhabitants of North America (Indians) as beings dressed and resembling the Moors who were Ruling in Europe. Would love to know your thoughts, keep making your videos Intellectual!
Thank you for your donation it's very much appreciated. Yes, I've seen a lot of obfuscation between indigenous Americans and moors in artworks , previously called Indians, renamed as moors.
@@paperclip6993 stop the BS Drunken Master. the Moors was not black the Moors was Light-skinned berber people from North Africa and arabs from the Middle East. The man and army that Conquered Spain was Light-skinned man called tarik Ibn Ziad and his army consists of Berber warriors who are the indigenous people of North Africa and they are light-skinned people. and a small group of arab warriors. It was not black africans who conquered Spain it is a lie read history again.
@@Kbiggins1978 Wouldn't be a first, do you have any idea how many rivers around the globe are called "river river", with each "river" being in a different language? River Avon, Reka River, just to name a few
He is so irrelevant in this conversation. The pattern of these semites coming at black people as if the more they come at us the more they will be accepted as White. These people are not considered white in the presents of white people. They are struggling for white acceptance and to squeeze into the cracks of the white supremest structure. Dealing with them is unproductive.
18:40 I have no information on the sources or details, but I have seen a lot of metatron’s videos and I believe lumping him in with revisionist is not fair. In fact, he does mention that this impression of his is based on medieval Christian sources.
I just came from Metatron's video, and have watched yours before commenting. I find it so refreshing to find a well articulated and researched academic/historic debate. Both of you do a massive amount of research before posting, and yes there are differences, but you can have a complete polar opposite academic conclusion while still have academic respect and integrity between peers. I am very glad to see that between you and Metatron, such respect and integrity is shown. Because of this, I have chosen to subscribe. I can comfortably listen to both you and Metatron, even if the academic conclusions differ, because of the quality of the work I can walk away with two points of view to chew on and digest and still be cognitively richer for the experience. I have a proposal for the fans of both channels, a stream between you and Metatron comparing notes and info. I trust between the two of you, academic debate with well researched information, could be rekindled in the younger generations especially for those of us who did not have the privilege of a formal tertiary education. I believe with people like yourself and Metatron being role-models and examples, historic studies and research can once again be ideologically transparent and cognitively wholesome.
Just if they read the arabic records and historians this is not even a debate it’s a part of the Arab world’s cultural heritage. Al-Andalus is mostly an Arabic story-Arabic was the main language, and the culture was predominantly Arab and Amazigh (Berber). The narrative that the people of Al-Andalus were mostly Black doesn’t align with the historical evidence. The conquerors were the same groups we identify today as Middle Eastern and North African
@reinerbraun9995 True, but if you don't know this info, having two opposing sides provide a passionate but respectful counter argument to each, citing sources, in a respectful and dignified manner, instead of primal scream therapy thinly veiled as outrage and accusation, then people could be encouraged to follow these men's example and will be wiser and richer for it.
I have a Dutch song for this history denial about the Moors and the song goes like this: Mooriantje zo zwart als soot (soot from a chimney) went for a walk without a hat and the sun shone on his head and that's why he carried a parasol. This song has certainly been around for more than 100 years
they love to think black people have always been slaves, what a load of crap but people still believe it,about time to set the record straight, othello was not a slave or slavic, he was clearly a black man even poryteyed as black in film. stop the crap meta con,
Very good work. Great to see a young Black man debunking the debunkers. Metatron from what I have watched is good about making what I consider to be half truths aound good because he has the vast majority of people on his side. So its easy for him (and his team as he was quick to point out in his response to this video) to find the resources and to skew them. Can't wait to see the other parts.
Metatrons doesn't speak any African language. So he's very limited since the Africans created the civilisation. This guy doesn't know the meaning of the words he use everyday. Most of the words used today have African background which are used as radicals for European words. Blue blood = Black blood The Ancient Arabs said they are Blacks. The dark skinned are Blue. The light skinned are White. The red skinned are the slaves. The Ancient Greeks said Zeus is the God of the Ethiopians. Since Zeus is also the Supreme God of the Greeks , the Greeks have to be Ethiopeans too. "My people are dying by the lack of knowledge"
@@Trasrok Greeks worshipped Blacks "light bearers = luci-fer, enlighted " European vocables derived from African langauages : Mō'ōr "Man" "chief" Plurial : Bō'ōr Nubian comes from nub or nbu Mvuor "gold" " Gem" also attested in South America. Kām "gold" in thaï (land) Horn and Corne in french come from - Ton.
@@Trasrok The true dark skinned ARABS were called Tayyi and Omeyyade. The Abbassides are mixed race who exterminated the true Arabs. "The Arabs said they are Blacks. Those who ar dark skinned are Blue. Those who are light skinned are white (or mix) and the red skinned are the slaves " Lisan al-Arabia
they never said zeus was the god of the ethiopians but that zeus went once to ethipia for a fextival & ceremonies.... not the same story at all and he said that only for the plot of his story
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@@kingmono please read my comment completely.
Hello from Spain. I'm sorry but I count hold myself from commenting, I will note I feel offended but I will be civil about it. The reason behind I'm offended is because my country's history and heritage is being used in a cultural and identity war that has nothing to do with us.
Now this being said I'd like to point out a number of things.
1) Galician is a language of its own, "Galician Portuguese" is not only a false statement but also offensive as it denies the identity of Galicia and Galicians.
2) Moor comes from the Spanish Moro which literally means coming from Mauritania (which is what the Romans called what today are Morocco and Algeria) as per the RAE dictionary.
3) In Spanish Moreno literally means tanned, and is used to refer to anyone who isn't white although that is not popular anymore it certainly was in the past. Nowadays it only refers to someone who is tanned.
3) The Christian Kingdoms of Spain formed after 711 were NOT visigothic, not ethnically, linguistically or culturally.
3) The Christian Kingdoms of Spain (from now on the Spanish so as to simplify) did not describe the moors as negros (blacks) but rather as similar to Arabs and did take time and care when describing their armies such as naming each of the ethnicities composing them, Berbers, almohades, almorávides (all of this are collectively called Moros), Arabs and blacks.
4) Evidence of the previous point is that when the Spanish gave a description of the battle of Las Navas de Tolosa and how Navarra got it's chains for the flag, they describe that the moors chieftain's tent was guarded by black soldiers that had been chained to one another all around the tent. Now, why would the Spanish take the time to make a distinction between black and moor if all moors were by defacto black? That's not within our culture or tradition.
Please I would like that you take in to account the Spanish point of view, accounts, descriptions and general history in further videos as I don't feel like we are being properly represented even though this is OUR history. You seem very knowledgeable on the moorish side of Spanish history but seem otherwise ignorant (for lack of a better word, no offense intended) on spanish history proper.
I only mentioned you here because I really want to make sure that this comment reaches you and you read it.
Droppin by from Metatron's response to this - Just wanted to say its great to see respectful and interesting dialogue/debate between two youtubers that disagree with each other. I think you're doing good work, and presenting arguments in a way that can actually be respected and understood, whether I agree with the conclusions or not; which makes you a hell of a lot more convincing than most who touch on race-related topics.
yup....me as well....this is the way people should engage in disagreements. none of us were actually there....alot is left to be filled in so things are frequently going to be out of alignment. Debating history in this manner shows integrity and that gets a subscribe from me.
It’s a shame this guys supporters are classless POS
Indeed, although looking through the comments here it is clear from the comments that have been given a heart what he really thinks of Metatron.
This guy is a clown, an absolute clown and a liar when it comes to Egypt or the moors or anything black he is a sub-Saharan clown with a fake British accent so he sounds more intelligent
To say that the Moors were black is kinda inferring that they were not Arab or other types… More likely, the Moors were the ruling Muslim Arabs, black mercenaries and slaves (conquered people themselves and forced conversions), and other people with various hues of color. To check to see who really ruled Spain for centuries, one may have to do research on the rulers. I bet that they are all practically Arab and not black!
A remarkable video essay, as usual. The large amounts of time and research invested into your work is evident, and your passion for history clearly shows. I can easily see your videos being explored in classrooms, and you yourself as a college professor someday, perhaps. Thank you for your work - we applaud you!
Excellent work . Thanks. Vampires are real ...
@AntonsClass I appreciate you brother. 🙏🏾👊🏿
Am happy, people are coming to terms with the obnoxious label sub saharan. It got to be rejected by all well meaning Africans.
Well said 👏 my sentiments 👏 exactly 💯 couldn't of said any of it any better 👏 gratitude 🙏
@@abk6877true indeed.
as i commented under the Metatron clip, in the German language Mohr (the german Moor) means literally a black man. "Der Mohr" or "der kleine Mohr" (the little Mohr) is a common theme in old german fairy tales and childrens books. There are also old pharmacies all over Germany that are called "Mohrenapotheke" (Moorish pharamacies) and they show on their old coat of arms a head of a black man. There is a german chocolate speciality called Mohrenkopf (head of a moor) also called Negerkuss (kiss of a negro), but due to political correctness they banned the terms in recent years. In older gemerations it was fashionable to name black cats "Mohrle" (little Moor)
So in german the word Mohr to this day literally means negro with no ambiguity at all. (I am german by the way)
Dann kennst du wahrscheinlich meine Videos Gruesse Josevelli
Can you Germans and others that have moorish history tell these white people in America? They are so ignorant they really think they are from America 😂
mohr and Mauro where the word came from is two diff things the Mauritanian Kingdom wasn't ever black, and GERMANY had a nothing to do with Rome, this how I know you're dunce. 🥴 Morocco is a landmass connected to Spain which was the Mauro ibero kingdom... Senegal where tropical black subs are... FAR FAR away from Morocco kmt leave north Africa AND north africans alone, you bantu and massa colonisers ain't even AFRICAN since that's not your tribe it's an amazigh tribe named after an amazigh deity she wasn't black 🥴🥴🥴
Native German speaker as well: 1. Bringing in the N--kiss here is completely unnecessary & racist - it has nothing to do with “Mohr” but became popular during the late 19th century. There are 2 etymologies of Mohr: One is: Das Mohr which is the marshland, the swamps. This is the origin of the German family name. A carrot is either as a loan word from French: A Karotte but Mohrrübe is another common word & has nothing to do with the people referred to as Moors. Moor during the Middle Ages was used to refer to any Muslim regardless of appearance but as non Christians aka “pagans” they were usually imagined as “Äthiopier”. Moor only referring to people of common African appearance established itself during the 16th - 18th century, especially when the “court moor” became en vogue. These moors were not necessarily Muslims.
3. Consequently, as the word “Moor” is historically linked to the human trafficking of the Transatlantic slave trade & the “Hofmohr” is especially linked to the abduction & the enslavement of children, the image of a foolish person, it is racist in Germany & should not be used anymore.
@@masehoart7569 have you even watched the video? You have been completely brainwashed. Don´t tell me what I am allowed to say I am a black man.
St. Maurice, an Egyptian, Christian Roman soldier, was so black and his Egyptian name so difficult for Romans to say, that they basically called him "black" AKA "Maurice". A name that you can see is related to the word "Moor" and "Mauritania"
They are lazy they call many blacks they find in Europe from That era Saint Maurice trust me. How can someone wearing Holy Roman Empire attire be from Egypt.
@@eingoluq he's still famous for the ski resort now named "St.Moritz"! Go ahead, tell me, "I. am factually incorrect ", only this time, mention why and some proof,when you make your silly claim, ? sorry eigoluq, this was aimed at,"Chris'. The Professional LIAR!👀
@@jamesregiste960 Oh, I see boy. I was confused, thinking you are arguing my own point's lol.
I guess he deleted his comment?
@eingoluq after trying to discredit 4 perfect strangers with his racist lies, he should have some shame,by now!
@Chris-m8e yes you the inveterate Liar, should pity me , so why don't you tell me where the library of Djenne is, and perhaps how old it is, in fact just answer one of my questions, and keep your racist "pity" for yourself😮
The bull fight is the story of how spain conquered the Moors of Spain. At the end of the fight, the bull is gored. The running with the bulls is how they chased the moors out of spain. The head of the bull represents the Moors.
And they only use JET BLACK bulls for the matador. Exclusively.
The Festival/parade of the Moors and Christians in which white Spaniards paint their skin jet black and wear Afro textured wigs and re-enact their history.
Black Pete character….a tradition in the Netherlands again jet black skin, Afro hairstyle.
Shakespeare knew who the Moors were and wrote and described his characters in his books.
Of course Hollywood has cast many Black actors as Moors. Sidney Poitier, Laurence Fishburne, Morgan Freeman, Jamie Foxx, David Harewood, Martin Lawrence, Keith Hamilton Cobb.
Lastly actor Sir Laurence Olivier played Shakespeare’s Othello character in blackface with short bushy hair in 1965!! That speaks volumes…
Same with Mexico. It frustrates me so much !
@@OseeQuanKangwhat happened in Mexico ?
@@Incog80 obviously what the comment says. Did you read it or did the word Mexico strike a chord. The Roman Spanish moved most blacks from Mexico too. And they are matadors now. What a joke.
100 years from now Michael Jackson wasn’t Black!. The written record is a must!
why can't I put a like on your comment! Who are you exactly?
@AFRICA4AFRICANS
Makes you wonder what Nelson Mandela would be in 500 years.
@@AFRICA4AFRICANS it's what they did to all the great philosophers. No one knows what they look like.
in 500 years , the african american , weren't really black , they were really blah blah , look at the remains of patrick mahommes , whom some are claiming to be black african american, his remains clearly show he was red headed white man , so the true african american was people with white traits, argument 500 yrs from now
@@AFRICA4AFRICANS I don't think so. Michael Jackson however became lighter due to some illness
A page from Elia Levita’s 16th century Yiddish-Hebrew-Latin-German dictionary includes the word Cushite or Cushi translated to Latin as “Aethiops” and into German as “Mor”. The term has nothing to do with Muslims but everything to do with a dark skinned people!!!
In England there is a dance called Morris dance. They dance sometimes with black faces.
I even heard Welsh people have a festival where they put black faces
I took part in a Morris Dance in school (many many moons ago) and, if I recall correctly, the clothing, now in retrospect, reminds me of what is worn by Black Pete or Swarte Pete in The Netherlands (Black face).
In the South West of England (Cornwall / Devon), which is very close to Wales, there is an area known as Dartmoor, and the older languages used in the area would be Cornish, which shares origins with the Welsh language (Cymraeg) in Celtic.
There are a few places in the UK with the word Moor directly in them, including Dartmoor, Exmoor and Addlestonemoor.
Thank you for the memory jog 👍🏾
They do it in a form of mockery, but it's literally historical memory etched in their DNA and memory 😂😂😂
@@foodofdasoulthe names Dartmoor or Exmoor refer to 'moorland" meaning open upland landscape
@@foodofdasoulDartmoor or Exmoor refers to "moorland" meaning open upland landscapes.
Yes, let's get away from the Sub-Saharan label.
..the term 'sub' Saharan should've NEVER ...be used. Super Saharan would've been more respectable.
Blue blood in Europe means Black
I think I've heard the term "inner African" as a replacement, which seems somewhat more accurate
Just had this argument with the creator of 'From Nothing' he is dead set on using that idiotic racist term.
Also this dude " hometeam". Not sure what " team" he's acutally on.@@Orion2525
Now what I’m about to state is based on a movie.. so do with that what you will. But in the movie “Black Knight” staring Martin Lawerence (a black man). Martin’s character was referred to as a “Moor” throughout the movie by the general of the King’s army.
Excellent example. I just rewatched this movie a few months ago. The general kinda uses the word Moor as a racial slur.
On the Netflix show Bridgerton, they said the young queen Charlotte was "moorish" and from Germany.
There is a man called Gustav Alfred Badin in Swedish history, I wount go into details you could google it if you like. He is labeled as a "slave" (with non slave clothing). He was born in St Croix in the Caribbean. He wrote a memoir, wich is labeled "Gustav Alfred Badin, Morianen" (paraphrasing). Morianen in Swedish would be translated to "The Moor". To me, the word Moor means black in europe. Not an ethnicity just a way to describe a dark skinn man/women in europe.
And the general also called they young black lady a Nubian queen which I thought was funny
The show Spanish Princess reference the Moors as Black as well.
Thank you for keeping up the good work brother this is the education we are missing as a people
Thank you for showing your appreciation with a gift... its very much appreciated
Bravo my good brutha , just got around to watching in its entirety. Knowing that you're doing what you do cuts my anxiety in half , as I often would become stressed out by the obvious lies I would hear people reiterate. You are an intellectual warrior in this field & I estimate that in 5 to 10 years , if we don't let up , children will be taught in school a more truthful versus of African history. Ase' 🙏🏽👊🏽
From the moors to the mauri to the maori, they were dark skin
Amorika or Amerika
Latin = black
Black means enlighted ones.
@WriteTrax Today's maori are not dark skinned because of their sin they became albinos like many AA
@WriteTrax The word "Māori" was used to describe the native inhabitants of New Zealand by European colonizers.
@WriteTrax I with the brother here. Maori are quite a distinct culture. I moved here in to Huntly in 2005 and went to Turangawaewae marae a few times. Back then there were older Maori (now since passed) who were quite dark in complexion. My first hongi was with a man with Tamoko but he was almost as dark as I am.
20 years later with interracial marriages and what not, they are much lighter and use the term "black" as an insult to darker-skinned Maori. It's all in the guise of "tongue-and-cheek" humour but I'd say that's mental colonisation.
Do you remember when National Geographic was doing DNA tests and they did an episode on that red-haired Maori lady and her family? Her koro told her that they came from Persia bypassed Africa by following its eastern coast line towards the south then passed through South America before eventually cruising to Aotearoa. The DNA results supported her koro's story and she was so proud to know it what she believed was true the whole time. I wonder why they wiped that from the archives. What do you reckon?
@WriteTrax haha that's actually cool AF. I lived in the South for a minute too.
You make a great point there. I have experienced that same thing with Africans. With us they call it colourism but at times it seems skewed. Our respective people are related, Maori of all complexion to all Maori for yours and African to African on ours.
Crack and alcohol did a huge number on people here, especially in the Waikato. Te Atairangikaahu did not fight for this result but I worked at the casino and her son was a regular and a card holder even leading up to his passing. It was a sad reflection if the leader of the people is like this himself.
I pray for Maori here in Aotearoa. They are being systematically weeded out.
🤣🤣 So let's get this straight. I'm dying here. 😭😭
1. His opening sentence is half of Wikipedia's opening sentence.
2. His respresentation of Moors in European art work is of dubious provenance seeing as the segments of the Cantiga de Santa Maria he shows as depicting Moors isn't actually depiciting Moors but misclellaneous groups of mercenaries and white slave soldiers, mislabelled on Wikipedia by bad actors.
3. In doing this, he omits art from the very same canon, which when specifically labelling characters as Moors, shows black persons.
4. He conjurs up phantom quotes by Herodotus about Morocco and the Moors (as demonstrated by others) in a Laurel and Hardy-style attempt to demonstrate white people woz Moors n sheeeeee.
5. He uses default AI-generated images that rank number 1 on Google's search to represent a Moorish general clearly drawn as a black man in near-contemporary documents.
6. And then proceeds to talk falsely about the Moors who WERE black, as being part of one great slave faction...
But of course he never used Wikipedia a day in his life, just has a whole load of wikipedia talking points, coincidentally.🤣🤣🤣
How to expose Metatron as a shill and fraud, without actually saying he is a shill and fraud. Thank you, King! Real smooth brother. Death by a thousand Kisses. I love it! Roll on part 2.
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You should change your name to Metatron slayer lol.
I dont remember how bad he's video was till he you mention this tbh metron 😂
@Trasrok phillipino moro and Sri Lankan moro were called so because they were closely related to negritos. They were dark skinned populations who complexion are well within the range of everyday 'black' people. You cant qualify this argument because ALL moro are phenotypically very dark... even till this day!
@@Trasrok do you have any sources because I can't find that anywhere. Also, are you a Negrito?
@Trasrok many of the moro were negritos, most were massacred. Filipines population was majority negrito before portugese occupation. Didn't you know that?
Thank you for this video. Glad Metatron is no longer using Sub-Saharan. It is a misnomer. It is amazing that we are still discussing what race were the Moors. Years ago, the Moors were referred to as dark skin, negro or black as you stated even by writers like Shakespeare and others, and also historians.
Thank you for showing the images and discussing the misconceptions about the Moors.
They have to use it because they don't want to acknowledge the fact that black people were all over the world and were a major part of history the further you go back. White people have to hold on to these lies because they will realize they had nothing to do with much of history until Alexander the great
That is a selective-interpretation. There are dark skinned people that are not african or black but to white people they would be dark and possibly described as black
The fact that they were refered to as black by other people (who've never seen them in the first place) doesn't mean the original real Moors were "black" in the modern US-centric sense.
@@noamto Some Asian, middle eastern and other people have varying skin tones that range from almost white to black. It means nothing about race. Some of references to black could also be as when othello is referred to as black which is more about character than skin tone. People forget about symbolism in art and literature
@@scottbright595 Okay and why are you telling me that?
I appreciate his rejection of the term "Sub-Saharan", but Metatron just cannot be objective about Black history. Great video.
What racist can be?
And yet none of your claims have ever been accepted by any real historian, black or white.
@@mw3309 That's a classic "No True Scotsman" fallacy, which undermines your entire argument. Either address the points directly, or acknowledge that you can’t.
@mw3309 your perspective is juvenile
He is a Eurocentric off course, so he will dispute black ancient history, especially when it comes to consciousness of blacks in regards to our rich past.
Bravo! I salute your scholarship. Thank you so much for your work!
Metetron is a professional white washer. Every video of his is the same. The Moors who live through the medieval period have tons of historical contents linked to them. He never puts all the facts of any group of people on the table but instead pulls out a few things he would like to talk about and proceed to give his opinion on why its not black. At the end of his video all we have is his opinion.
😂 indeed
@@TheTradeuser I 100% agree with this analysis.
Yes, there were so- called black. For the life of me I can't think of the movie's name were Dennis Hopper said the Italian Sicilians was interbred by the Moorish people and Christopher Walken I'm putting it nicely here that's not exactly the word he said.
Dennis Hopper Christopher Walken 1993 True Romance scene 10 minutes long talking about the the Moors and the Sicilians
@@TheTradeuser it really shows the ignorance and naivety of the masses . There's so many references.
Great as always kings monologue
All you have to do is look at ancient Roman artwork 😂 they painted black moors... I'm so glad you made this video.
they painted slaves yeah 😂 moors are Mauritanian Kingdom from Rome MOROCCO THAT'S CONNECTED TO SPAIN where no black man ever walked free 😂😂
@@handleisGGslaves that are dressed in royal noble clothing ? Ok
@@handleisGGthen, why are some depicted with armor and lavish gifts? Also, why is blacks being enslaved funny to you?
@@vandalofphiladelphia8926 which art? You mean the Mauri people from Mauritania? They were Amazigh people...
@@handleisGGit’s very well documented that the first inhabitants of Mauritania were Proto Soninke people followed by proto fulani and THEN yt Berbers
The problem with metatron is that he many times relies on wiki articles and known bias talking points that have been dismantled time and time again. Metatron should sit back and critically think….
just think
African people existed before civilization and after, 100s of thousands of years older than anyone else .
before there was nothing there was Africa & if you truly think about this and remove all bias it’s only Common sense that black people would have been heavily in the mix of almost everything back then, with only a more recent agenda to remove this simply to justify the mistreatment that happened to these very same people in more modern times.
It’s almost as if it’s a way to hide the guilt…..
@@Chris-m8ewhy you ignore all the African kingdoms that fought back against the European invasions ? Talk about how the catholics have the green light to get down Africans
What BS 😐😑😐
Ehhhhh, no. You sound like a black Nazi lmao.
@@Chris-m8e why don’t you talk about how many African nations fought back against the EU nations (1400s-1800s)
@@Chris-m8e u talk like all blk ppl was adhering to the TAS
I don't learn black history from anyone that's not black
We know that guy about to have a random rebuttal full of fallacies and his fanbase about to eat it up.
Practically everything we’ve (not just blacks, but all people who aren’t part of the elite bloodlines) have been taught about history has turned out to be lie’s. The things that we’ve been taught are myths have turned out to be true truths. When you think about how carefully so-called Greek mythology , has been preserved, I don’t think it’s a stretch to consider that it is actually historical fact. We have all been lied to on a massive scale. Have you ever heard of Tartaria & the world wide cataclysm called the Mudflood ? If not, look into it. It’s very interesting
@@marquesterry3585 lol fr half the video about ‘look he made my voice a bit higher pitch on my clip its PSYCHOLOGICAL MANIPULATION lol!’
They’ve been telling our story for far too long. Times up…
@@ChiquitaSpeaks all manipulation to round up his fans lol A lot of straw man arguments will be said focusing on everything besides black being Moor. Quotes from outside sources that would have minor to nothing to do with the sources mentioned in here. I can see it all coming smh lol
All this truth coming out is nothing but prophecy.
Jeremiah 16:19 “O Lord, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the GENTILES shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have INHERITED LIES, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.”
AMEN 🙏🙏🙏
Shoutout to @Kaprooki for his videos on this topic of the Moors! I'm sure Metatron watched his work as well and felt compelled to lie again.
Funny, I learned about the Moors through the Spanish Blackface feastivals, but despite the 15th century attire, they say they are the 3 wise men, but in no way shape or form do they dress in 1st century clothes? TBH, you could do a video about the 3 wise men being black, and naysayers would come along and say no, and then mention something about slavery lol. I am unsure how Africans got to Australia, Paupa New Guinea, Melanesia but only stayed in Sub-sahara Africa, please make it make sense. Of course we were in North Africa before the Arab invasion.
not much "blackfaces" in the moors & christians of alcoy" festival, especially for the characters depicting muslims
Metatron would acknowledge a fact that poses no threat to his agenda in order to give the appearance of objectivity. It is calculated and deserves no credit.
Greetings! I just came over from Metatron's video in a dialogue with you and subscribed. I look forward to hearing your recounts of history. He recommended you quite positively. I am somewhat of a scholar with 2 degrees, one in Anthropology. We all have a passion for facts. thank you for your meticulous work.
Here from the metatron's channel and I like how you went about this video critiquing his you obviously put a lot of time and effort into it keep up the great work
I cant learn history from someone who ignores it
The real question is; did any Moore that was black rule Spain in any century of Muslim rule. If not, you can then deduce what group was in charge…
What is funny is Metatron addresses his followers as “Noble Ones”, which is the original names of “The Aryans”, before white Europeans wrongly defined it as a white racial definition.
It was never misunderstood by the Europeans, Austrian Painter excluded Iranians from the Nuremberg laws. He knew that they were the southern caucus group.
It's not that deep, it's not even his original idea, it derives from a very old commenter
@@sephirothbahamut245 I don't know where he got it, and don't care. Just think that the guy who is constantly attacking the placement of Black People in advanced civilizations and movies starts his propaganda videos with a term than is the translation for Aryans. Also, how do you know? This is a bit fishy, Kyle.
@@jamesstewart917 someone asked in a q&n and he brought up the comment from a very old video, we're talking way before he got a sizeable subscribers count. Either way, I don't see that "constantly attacking the placement of Black People in advanced civilizations and movies", have you seen his video about Amanirenas?
I highly suggest checking it
@ I don’t care. Yeah, I’ve watched his videos. He is constantly doing videos about “black people didn’t do this, and “didn’t do that.” He is trying to look a bit less anti-Black cause he keeps getting caught on his awful methodology.
You really deserve way more subs for all the work you put in
I appreciate that... 🙏🏾
One of the best and informative channel that I have came across.
Moor is the same as Mauro/Mouros in Portuguese and means dark skinned. They were not all Muslims but Jews and Christians.
I can attest that the word for 'Arab' in Turkish, which is 'Arap', was stimutaneously used for Black people no matter what their features were. What mattered to them was that they both shared dark brown (Black) skin and therefore the word 'Arap' was used interchangeably for Arabs, Bantus, Nilotes etc.
Hello TKM, I just watched your video after watching Metatron's response. Although I am not entirely convinced by your arguments you absolutely brought up great points that caused me to investigate further!
I want to add that your civility in approach was so refreshing and helped so much in me listening to your facts and opinions. I applaud you for your healthy dialogue and the mutual respect between you and your opponents, it shows great strength of character and intellectual prowess. Kudos!
@@mbalfour7 thank you. It's a pleasure to have you.
The confusion begins when people correlate the word Moor with “black” when someone says Moors weren’t “black” they are aren’t necessarily wrong whether they know it or not. The word black wasn’t traditionally used the way we use the word now in modern times. Etymologically the word black comes from blaek, pale, wan, varnished or died. It was later changed to mean what it is now. In medieval times they would use words such as tawny, ruddy, swarthy to describe someone of dark hue. Besides, our ancestors didn’t equate others by the color of their skin, but by nationality and culture. So when one refers to a Moorish, you automatically think dark skin due to the national, cultural, and ethnic background of the person. There was always an agenda towards so called black people and they try to hide their Moorish history by combining truth and falsehood. They don’t want the masses to know the significance that so called black people had or Moors had in history. So when one says that Moors were Muslims they aren’t wrong, when they say they aren’t black they technically aren’t wrong. They’re just not telling the whole truth. I’m a Moor myself and it took me a lot of studying to fully piece together the whole picture. But Moors are dark skinned and have always been since time
in memorial.
I agree with a lot of this and will be tackling this in part 3, which is the etymologies. It's a complex conversation, too complex for a 20min video... hopefully I can do this complexity some justice over the series.
@@kingmono man stop listening to these ignorant people. They just want the word “Moor” not to be black. You have produced great content but you need to watch “Sara Suten Seti” to get a better understanding of esoteric knowledge.Some of these guys complaining in your comments watch video from people who don’t know what they are talking about.
Thank you so much. Love your content.
"Are you talking to me?" lol!! Too funny!
That was really good.
Here after Metatron's response to your response because I liked your video structure. Here's a comment, like, and full view for channel growth as I watch your back catalogue.
I respect people like you so much.
Another great one ☝🏾
Thanks!
Thank you for your generous gift and your support for the channel. It's very much appreciated 👏🏾 🙏🏾
8:30 the crazy thing is this statue predates Islam. That's a Roman era Maure (ancient Mauritania, from Maurus where we get Moor)
Found you through Metatron, amazing video, i can't wait to watch the rest of your work.
This was great work, like how you breakdown the images, Slavic slaves never even crossed my mind, looking fwd to your uploads, GrassySea also made an excellent reply.
GrassySea underrated
As someone that watched the Metatron video on this, your video is genuinely really good even if there may be things that are wrong. This is great!
Metatron has been a boon for this corner of black scholarly UA-cam. I've never even heard of any of you but the controversy is getting you all noticed. Good job dont stop!
Been waiting for this Video
me too
Thanks
Thank you sir! I appreciate your support very much 🙏🏾👊🏿
This is the best approach on the topic I have ever encountered. Systematic, textually based. Excellent!
You know Wikipedia is public and anyone can change/edit it? Hint hint
Thats why history professor will give you f for an assingment that uses wikipedia as source.
When reading the book “The Alchemist “ in their own words they distinguish Moors from Arabs. You know they always want to be relevant.
I'm West Indian born in the West Indies (an American territory), not a crayon box.
Black and white as ethnicities is a social construct.
People of all shades are found all over the world...go figure
when i was young we didnt use term white, in fact people would be lmore likely to call a black jamaican british rather than metatron as they would have said he was mediteranean...this was in SW enngland where i think I was 15 before i actually met a black person, and he was an african exchange student at the school...and if I remember rightly there wasnt an racism towards him...this was in 1990....things ahve changed a bit
Well researched sir. Can't wait for part 2.
Metatron acts like r-cism didn’t exist with historians or Egyptologist. I have nothing against bro he’s a good dude, but we can’t forget that people we rely on for history cared little about us or Megatron. He needs to only look at the lifestyle of these Presidents, Egyptologist, popes, law officials etc and wonder if they seem trustworthy.
Excellent work. Archeological manuscripts is the key. Thank you for providing accurate archeological proof .
Haplogroup E1b1a has been found in Spain/Portugal (Iberia) amongst the Moors, it's also mixed with R1b sickle cell anaemia is also found in the samples. The haplogroups and the Sickle Cell disease is the key to the Moors identity. The ancient inhabitants of Iberia were Celts at some point they migrated from the Chaldeas (Sumeria).
The Moors (an exonym word uses by the Portuguese/Spaniards) were referred to the Iberian and Maghrebi muslims who are Amazigh and Arabs but later applied to other muslim converts.
Also not everyone in Afrika looks like Bantus or West Afrikans.
I'm Malagasy from Madagascar and we are more related to Asians. People in Eritrea and Ethiopia are probably more related to West Asians too.
I don't think looking at 1800 in UK for sources is the best way to confirm your reasoning. I suggest looking more at Spain and Portugal. To this day the word Moor is being referred to someone of North African descent - Arab looking. Especially - Morocco, Algeria, and Tunisia. Sometimes even as a slur. As a European myself, I have never heard of someone saying that Moors were white, but Arab. I encourage people traveling to Morocco or Algeria to see for themselves.
@Darthi9 by itself perhaps, but that was only one of numerous arguments made. In part 3, concerning etymologies, I will make the case very clearly that the term has mostly followed dark skinned Africans since the middle ages, and prior to that was used for specific populations of phenotypically african north West africans. I have spent time in the middle east and Africa. As mentioned in the video, the influence of caucasian, Turkic and European slave imports, punctuated by colonialism have had a massive impact (phenotypically) on the region so you can't take a pressntist view to these matters.
@@kingmono the Amazigh/berbers of the Maghreb have Amazigh ancestry. There are no Caucasian, European or Turkic ancestry found among the berbers in the Maghreb region. Only some berbers have Arab ancestry or Iberian ancestry in Morocco, but no genetic evidence suggests they have ancestry of Europeans or Turkic people. Do you have any sources or genetic studies to back this claim you made?
The majority of the Maghreb region are berbers with some having Arab ancestry.
@@kingmono the Maghareb people do not have significant Arab, European or Turkic ancestry. Genetic studies done among the Maghareb populations show they mostly have Amazigh genes with only a minority having Arab and Iberian dna. About 56% of the population of Morocco haplogroups is e1b1b and 20% are J-P209. E1b1b is rare in West African populations.
Also not only did the region import European slaves but also West African slaaves.
Moors come out of Haiti! Florida is Spain. The sun rises in Florida. Mor-n-ing. Morocco means the hover over the people that’s why the star on the flag has a shadow under it. The shadow is why all the images were black or covered before they change everything to throw us off. Haiti/ Hispaniola is where the son rest before it rises in the east coast and sets on the west coast of the americas.
@@SoulLa-x5n e1b1b is cushitic?
Massive probs to you staying Respectful and not attacking the man Himself, instead discussing in polite manner about the arguments and points! 🙏Great video as always.
Great content. Truth is truth
Sorry for the misspelling of Moorish typing to quickly
I've seen quite a bit of Metatrons videos with great reluctance, a common theme I found was blacks have never accomplished anything essentially.
Watch his video about Amanirenas, it's the exact opposite of what you're saying.
He literally said that many Moors were black, just not all of them. It is like saying no North Africans today are black people. Which would be equally mad.
@@sephirothbahamut245That means nothing. It’s a trope within Eurocentric circles to limit and center so-called Black accomplishments solely to the Nubians. Soon as that topic is broached, now there’s suddenly no equivocation on the term “black” and it being applied to Nubia, despite the rabid obsession hypocritical Europoid obscurists have with berating us to not anachronistically apply “modern terms” to ancient peoples (almost verbatim from their playbook).
Before saying it is historical revisionism, I think it's mostly a cultural and linguistic thing. I'm from Latin America, I've heard countless times the term moor to refer to Islamic people or / and black (or at least darker than white), so my conjecture is that this isn't only a Latin-American thing or Hispanic, but from all romance language countries (Metatron is Italian).
I'm curious, is there a way to know when the term started referring to both groups?
You can never wait for a European to tell the African story.
Time to correct our history collectively
Moroccans and Bantus are 2 separate people, so what makes you think it's your "history"?
@@Jalixsa Morocco is a country, Bantu are one ethnic group of people in Africa. Most West Africans aren't bantu.
Obviously you don't know the difference.
Why just stop looking at someone's skin in order to judge an argument? It'd be like me and Metatron complaining about a black person talking about Italian history just because they're black
@@alessandrosummer Difference is that people like you and Metatron purposely spill lies about african history.
@ you don’t know a fucking shit about me and still say I spill lies… I assume just because I’m Italian and white. Let me tell you: that’s racism
I’m an avid reader and I agree 1000 percent, there’s way too many strangely poorly titled and poor wordage about “blacks” in THEIR articles.. and it’s all done on purpose! I notice it often, and have begun archiving these when I find them.. ideally, putting out counter-perspectives on these old topics in history is VITAL in the cleaning up the Afro image. They have spent centuries writing books tarnishing and degrading, the books and articles are too numerous, and we WILL WE MUST do the work REWORDING, REWRITING, INJECTING OUR VOICE AND PERSPECTIVE, TELL OUR OWN STORIES! Thank you brother outstanding work as usual and VERY VITAL POINT BROUGHT TO LIGHT 🙏 Representation matters then and now and future !
Thank you!
dude you are the G.O.A.T , all FACTS!!!!!! no afrocentrist feel good mumbo-jumbo , superb work king , much luv , one day i'm going to contribute something special to the cause
Just because a word grew to mean something, does not mean it originally meant that. Metatron states this in his video, but you need to look at primary sources to see how Moor was being used. Moor comes from Mauritania, the Roman word for the region of what is now Morocco. That it would later be used to refer black people does not mean this was its original meanings
@LouisKing995 you are correct, it did not originally mean black. The word is actually an endonym which by the time of the Romams had come to mean black. The word actually has indigenous roots and wasn't coined by the hellenes. But the point is there is lots of textual evidence that even by the time of Plutarch it had become a synonym for blackness. I will be discussing this in part 3.
@ What evidence is there that the Romans used it to mean black ? They called the people of the Maghreb Mauri as transliteration of their own native name. Why would they do so, when the Maghreb has always been ethnically diverse place ? Or at least it was by the time of the Romans.
@LouisKing995 there are literally quotes I will be sharing in pt 3.
@@LouisKing995 "bondy hand of some moor so black that you would rather not meet him at midnight"
Juvenal satires 2nd ce
@ Do you even know what the Juvenal Satires are ?
Good Video about Moors were black people from Africa.
Well done!!
If you wanna know about the Moors from a black view point. Please read Guyanese brother Ivan Van Certima’s works. Nuff love 🇯🇲✊🏾
Just if they read the arabic records and historians this is not even a debate it’s a part of the Arab world’s cultural heritage. Al-Andalus is mostly an Arabic story-Arabic was the main language, and the culture was predominantly Arab and Amazigh (Berber). The narrative that the people of Al-Andalus were mostly Black doesn’t align with the historical evidence. The conquerors were the same groups we identify today as Middle Eastern and North African
the "arabs" at the time quite literally described the moors themselves. like in Arabic many times would distinguish themselves from the moors and call them black. but still doesn't take away from the gigantic pile of evidence of the moors being black
@@adamajobe1756no they didn't, you made that up
@@SoulLa-x5n so instead of saying "nuh uh!" you could a just asked for me to provide a source of two. what time of response is "no they didn't ". what I hate most bout people like you is that for some reason all academic common sense gets thrown out the window. am I to assume you've read every piece of historical document out there or something? lol again you could have just asked me to provide a source to back up my claim. this is why we can't engage in an academic conversation whether you agree or not because no matter what I provide, it'll be your "nuh uh" over any research we may have done. bye bruh
@@adamajobe1756The Moors no longer existed at the end of the Roman era. The major cities of Morocco date from the Moors, the oldest are from 1200 BC. The last King was Juba 2 who was the husband of the daughter of Queen Cleopatra of Egypt. Their gigantic mausoleum exists. Europeans continued to use this word Moor. Even in France, there is a very common first name which is Maurice (Moor). During the time of Al Andalous, there were blacks among the Muslims. It was only with the racist propaganda of the Middle Ages that Muslims were called Moors and blacks.
@@adamajobe1756 and yet the gigantic pile of evidence was created by the English during the 17-18 century.😂😂😂😂
Just came by after Metatron’s response. Great respectful discourse. Looking forward to checking out your other stuff. Hit you with a sub and can’t wait for the rest of this current series.
What an elegant video, you got a sub from me for sure. I did 2 book reviews on my channel on the books “The Story of the Moors in Spain” and “Othello’s Children in the New World” and the latter also discusses how in the Journals of European Explorers they described the Aboriginal Inhabitants of North America (Indians) as beings dressed and resembling the Moors who were Ruling in Europe. Would love to know your thoughts, keep making your videos Intellectual!
Thank you for your donation it's very much appreciated. Yes, I've seen a lot of obfuscation between indigenous Americans and moors in artworks , previously called Indians, renamed as moors.
This channel was recommended to me by the Metatron. Keep up the good work. +1 sub.
He was just making himself (Metatron) feel better about his DNA and existence 😂
Idk why Metatron is still teaching after he’s been getting man handled by you 😂😂. You keep wearing him out 💯✊🏿
I love that shirt u are wearing and I love this topic.
Spain has the moor festival every year , and paint there faces black.
and Holland also has a similar festival during the Christmas period
No they don't. You're confusing with the black Pete celebration in the Netherlands. There is no festival in Spain that uses blackface
@@Jalixsa Yes, there is also a Spain during the day of Epiphany, during the parade they do blackface to emulate Balthazar
@@paperclip6993 stop the BS Drunken Master. the Moors was not black the Moors was Light-skinned berber people from North Africa and arabs from the Middle East. The man and army that Conquered Spain was Light-skinned man called tarik Ibn Ziad and his army consists of Berber warriors who are the indigenous people of North Africa and they are light-skinned people. and a small group of arab warriors. It was not black africans who conquered Spain it is a lie read history again.
All moors weren’t Muslims I believe it to describe a complexion of the people
Moor does not mean black. Black is an adjective and Moor is a noun. Then there's the word blackamoor, Is this supposed to mean black-black.???
@@Kbiggins1978 pretty much
@@Kbiggins1978 Wouldn't be a first, do you have any idea how many rivers around the globe are called "river river", with each "river" being in a different language?
River Avon, Reka River, just to name a few
Hi there, KingMono😅
Man dyes his hair and chats shit to much
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Or, just possibly, he is from southern Italy and genetically he has naturally very dark hair.
Absolutely 💯 great show
Keep exposing these clowns and the lies that never work. They are late to the party!😂 peace moor
lets stop mentioning self confessed natzees
He is so irrelevant in this conversation. The pattern of these semites coming at black people as if the more they come at us the more they will be accepted as White. These people are not considered white in the presents of white people. They are struggling for white acceptance and to squeeze into the cracks of the white supremest structure. Dealing with them is unproductive.
When he has mentioned his politics Metatron has said he is a centrist and has been critical of the Nazis many times.
Did you see his latest Egypt video?
He keeps making new ones? 😂
yep. His logic for a "multicultural" Egypt is 👎🏿
@@scienceandinspiration1362 multiculturalism of Egypt can be true but Egypt was first footed by black for sure
@@kenshix7902 why do you care if he talks about Egypt?
GET HIM KING!!! Metatron Stepping into it again.
🙏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👍🏾💯 Great video bro
18:40 I have no information on the sources or details, but I have seen a lot of metatron’s videos and I believe lumping him in with revisionist is not fair.
In fact, he does mention that this impression of his is based on medieval Christian sources.
quite agree
I found you through Metatron's channel 😁 subscribed!
I just came from Metatron's video, and have watched yours before commenting. I find it so refreshing to find a well articulated and researched academic/historic debate. Both of you do a massive amount of research before posting, and yes there are differences, but you can have a complete polar opposite academic conclusion while still have academic respect and integrity between peers. I am very glad to see that between you and Metatron, such respect and integrity is shown. Because of this, I have chosen to subscribe. I can comfortably listen to both you and Metatron, even if the academic conclusions differ, because of the quality of the work I can walk away with two points of view to chew on and digest and still be cognitively richer for the experience.
I have a proposal for the fans of both channels, a stream between you and Metatron comparing notes and info. I trust between the two of you, academic debate with well researched information, could be rekindled in the younger generations especially for those of us who did not have the privilege of a formal tertiary education. I believe with people like yourself and Metatron being role-models and examples, historic studies and research can once again be ideologically transparent and cognitively wholesome.
Just if they read the arabic records and historians this is not even a debate it’s a part of the Arab world’s cultural heritage. Al-Andalus is mostly an Arabic story-Arabic was the main language, and the culture was predominantly Arab and Amazigh (Berber). The narrative that the people of Al-Andalus were mostly Black doesn’t align with the historical evidence. The conquerors were the same groups we identify today as Middle Eastern and North African
@reinerbraun9995 True, but if you don't know this info, having two opposing sides provide a passionate but respectful counter argument to each, citing sources, in a respectful and dignified manner, instead of primal scream therapy thinly veiled as outrage and accusation, then people could be encouraged to follow these men's example and will be wiser and richer for it.
Hey im from metatrons channel. I just subscribed and i cant wait to watch your moor videos
Same
I have a Dutch song for this history denial about the Moors and the song goes like this: Mooriantje zo zwart als soot (soot from a chimney) went for a walk without a hat and the sun shone on his head and that's why he carried a parasol. This song has certainly been around for more than 100 years
Bravo what an intelligent angle 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
they love to think black people have always been slaves, what a load of crap but people still believe it,about time to set the record straight, othello was not a slave or slavic, he was clearly a black man even poryteyed as black in film. stop the crap meta con,
Enlightening ❤
Very good work. Great to see a young Black man debunking the debunkers. Metatron from what I have watched is good about making what I consider to be half truths aound good because he has the vast majority of people on his side. So its easy for him (and his team as he was quick to point out in his response to this video) to find the resources and to skew them. Can't wait to see the other parts.
Metatrons doesn't speak any African language. So he's very limited since the Africans created the civilisation.
This guy doesn't know the meaning of the words he use everyday.
Most of the words used today have African background which are used as radicals for European words.
Blue blood = Black blood
The Ancient Arabs said they are Blacks. The dark skinned are Blue. The light skinned are White. The red skinned are the slaves.
The Ancient Greeks said Zeus is the God of the Ethiopians. Since Zeus is also the Supreme God of the Greeks , the Greeks have to be Ethiopeans too.
"My people are dying by the lack of knowledge"
@@Trasrok
Greeks worshipped Blacks "light bearers = luci-fer, enlighted "
European vocables derived from African langauages :
Mō'ōr "Man" "chief"
Plurial : Bō'ōr
Nubian comes from nub or nbu
Mvuor "gold" " Gem" also attested in South America.
Kām "gold" in thaï (land)
Horn and Corne in french come from - Ton.
@@Trasrok The true dark skinned ARABS were called Tayyi and Omeyyade.
The Abbassides are mixed race who exterminated the true Arabs.
"The Arabs said they are Blacks. Those who ar dark skinned are Blue. Those who are light skinned are white (or mix) and the red skinned are the slaves " Lisan al-Arabia
they never said zeus was the god of the ethiopians but that zeus went once to ethipia for a fextival & ceremonies.... not the same story at all and he said that only for the plot of his story