It’s crazy because I play slamming brutal death metal and the influence of these producers are felt in the types of grooves heavy musicians are creating now. Respect to Black American artists for giving us so many cultural gifts.
@@blizzred2143 “Selling” suggests giving your intellectual property away in exchange for money. You should license or lease your beats, not sell. This way you retain ownership of your music.
He is saying that because he knows these big artists, he signs producers because he can get their beats to the top artists. So he gets money and the producer gets money. It takes time to get find producers and send their beats so he also deserves his cut. What he means about beatstars is that if you don’t know what you’re doing it’s hard and you might not get the fair amount of money you could.
Truth is, if you're green you can be taken unfair advantage of whether it's by beatstars, 808 Mafia or a major label. Not to say anything bad about Southside, but he said he's signed about 40 producers in the past 2 years. Ok, how many of them have major placements and are recognized for them? Truth is, things today are much the same as they were in the 90s and prior. There are "gatekeepers" who have the power to make or break careers and many such people do just that, based on their own personal motivations. I don't think Southside is any exception and that's not a diss.
He also just said he really hates beatstars because they took advantage of young producers because they were ignorant and beatstars said that's not our fault but in the same sentence you say that's how your parents brought you up to believe. I was honestly confused 🤔 like did I misunderstand him or is he talking out of both sides of his mouth
Heads up to people on BeatStars who didn't know this, but you can customize your contract to make it say whatever you want and have whatever splits you want. The default one doesn't even say 0% publishing or 0% royalties so I'm not quite sure where he's getting this from.
@@Dizzy808Productions true enough but he literally says "I hate Beatstars". Where does the hate come from when he knows nothing about it and has like no experience with it?
Ayo my guy, you seem like you know a little about how BeatStars works, could you help me out? I’m an artist. Is the 50/50 pub split non-negotiable for a producer unless it’s an exclusive lease? Or can a producer change the pub split for any of the lease options, and would I as the buyer even know that you did. Like for example, if I were to buy a premium lease for wav and mp3 can you as the producer do an 80/20 in your favor and I wouldn’t even know? Cuz that seems pretty fucked in my opinion, but I would love to hear from anyone🙏
@@Kizip I have no problem with a 50/50 split What I want to know is can said producer of a beat that I want to purchase alter the deal without me knowing?
@@Kizip like for instance if I were to purchase a lease from you, would you be able to alter the percentage split to benefit you more if you wanted to? Not saying that you would I just know there’s people in this business that don’t believe in it being fair
@@danmateofficial8775well of course there’s scammers in everything and it is possible to not make any money of collabs if the producer doesn’t even give u credit for the loop or drums. but I would talk to a lawyer if that situation ever happened cause that’s just scamming
He didn't say they wouldn't be anybody without them. He said he's tryna help em (it's a win win for both parties) and use their loops. But those kids wanna charge them money which is stupid cause you probably won't get a placement with Future without Southside and instead of them being grateful and wait for their turn to become big they tryna make some shit like that. Not to mention, Southside said if he wanna help a kid he will put his tag on the beat even tho he didn't do none on that beat. I think if the roles were reversed, Southside would be grateful for them even acknowledging him so yeah y'all taking everything out of context
@@princeoffine Grateful my ass lol this the same man that tried to come at Swizz Beats and other heavy hitters in the game. This man don’t have a single *Hit* under his belt that he produced himself *without help*
The market is oversaturated in a sense but if your sound is genuine and has quality and its relative and progressive, then it'll fucking pop with the right artist. You just have to do whatever it takes to market your uniqueness out there. Southside also made some dope points too
Right. The beat market is saturated with the same old stuff we’ve heard, but not really saturated with innovative or creative beats. I’m seeing a lot of producers still go from 0-100 in 2022, but it’s the ones that are bringing something new to the table.
I also feel that although theres so many beatmakers now, we're also getting a larger market of people who want to rap or make music, and people who need mixing. Both markets having more people hopefullY means more for everyone
@@早 you see the problem is that people don’t like to listen to something unique and different from what is happening in the charts. This forces producers and artists to just go down a more mainstream path as they have no real other option.
The Beatstars information is 100% inaccurate. Beatstars contracts are put together by the producer lol, the contracts are customizable. You don't have to sell full rights to a beat & yes you do still collect publishing.
Yeah that’s why I would never take advice from him. He doesn’t even know what he’s talking about. Becoming a famous producer really has to be luck… I know a mf wit 20 subscribers who makes better beats den dis dude. HE HAD THE CONNECTS AND THE PEOPLE AROUND HIS AREA TO GET ON This dude sounds delusional he thinks he’s right about everything and people listen to him cuz he got lucky and became a famous producer. He’s really not that good or smart and HE DOESN’T GIVE GOOD ADVICE AT ALL
You want to know how to stop the computer/technology shit? Pay producers for their studio time. In-person sessions only….if they are really that gifted.
Man souncloud proved we don’t want gatekeepers the youth should decide and y’all should follow. And let the youth learn and adapt before you take over to “save” it
Nah the culture needs gatekeeping, can't leave the door open for the culture vultures, that's how rock died, they took it, and mutated the genre for decades until it was a husk.
@@StatiCRjm rap will never die. It’s to embedded into black culture for it to die. Other ethnicities may lose interest in it because they themselves are the culture vultures. But black people will never stop rapping and making beats even if rap isn’t as mainstream as it is now.
They really aren’t. At a certain level the fastest way to make money in a capitalistic system is to take a product that someone else makes, package and market it to a buyer, marking it up in the process. That’s how almost all business works. At a high level this is how producers make generational wealth, you graduate from becoming the source of the product to the middleman. The real issue is how greedy you get with this - Southside is laying out how it can be done where everyone wins, and his method creates a path to where producers who start under him can one day graduate to this level as well. Ideally they’ll build a name for themselves and develop demand that outpaces their ability to create product, restarting the cycle. You can argue he shouldn’t be making money off other people’s product at all but unfortunately that’s the way of the world.
I started making beats back in 1989. Everybody wanted to rap then, but there weren't many beatmakers because the technology was expensive. To get a drum machine, 1 or 2 keyboards, a sampler, and a turntable would set you back a lot of bread. Today, anyone with a laptop and FL can make beats with pre-made loops. I'm not knocking loops, but it's really not your idea because you're basically just doing a remix. Anyway, I thought this was a good interview and Southside's take on BeatStars.
Back then early beatmakers didn't understand the business of music. There is music or beats that have become #1 hits from producers that will never get a dime or credit. I mean bad ass raw ideas that made millions. So listen too these tracks can back fire. But keep on eating my pie. I'm dat ninja.
I always found it wild that back in the 1990s, there was a video game called "MTV Music Generator" that would let you mix and match loops. It was supposed to be like a fun toy to get kids into the idea of making music. It's crazy how like 20 years later, just mixing and matching loops *is* the dominate approach most people take.
@@kiddalmatiangawd8389 there are are some who come out and swear FL isn't the smash. It's a video game to be exact and put a lot of money and fame on people who really aren't musically inclined.
SouthSide is right, not knowing and jumping into something is your fault. But at the same time Beatsstars doesn’t have to take advantage of people just because they can.
Just to give more clarity, him and Morray have the same manager. But anyone who has used BeatStars knows his comment is not true, and that all agreements are customizable on BeatStars. BeatStars is not involved with any transaction, they are between buyer and seller. I love Southside, and everything he has done for music and the culture of hip-hop, but he has never used BeatStars and doesn't know what he's talking about. Thanks to everyone in the comments for defending us, and speaking the truth. Still would love to have you on BeatStars, Southside, and show you what our platform and community is all about. We fight for creators 🙏❤️
I see lots of producers make the same type of beats that’s why I told my producer you make customized beats for me to rap on.There’s ton of producers online who sound alike.
Right?? 1) Producers that sell beats on Beatstars DO keep their pub rights; unless they purposely choose not to by customizing their default contract that Beatstars sets you up with. 2) There's way better advice to give than the ole: "You HAVE to struggle like I did." Teach the strategies of how to go through the struggle more efficiently
@@soccerman127 Yeah, I wasn't feeling that "struggle" comment. On one hand he claims he *wants* to help aspiring producers, then he complains that they want to skip struggling. One of benefits of being signed to Southside is *supposed* to be that you're not gonna have to struggle, because you're signed to an established brand.
I don't know if he's talking about just one guy. He's talking about major producers who take credit for music made by aspiring producers. Ghost producing is a thing and it has traditionally been referred to as "paying dues".
He has that luxury as being at the top, to know ur place if ur at the bottom u gotta do what u gotta do. U get a placement in a Future beat, get some cash and clout. Won't set u for life but U gotta start at the bottom and a beat for future is 1 hell of a way to start.
This my year I stg produced my whole album shit bussin on Brodie learned this shit over the summer cuz artist don’t get shit unless you making and creating every last part of the song which I do now shit feel amazing to make whatever mood you in
I love Southside but the shit he saying bout selling on BeatStars IS NOT TRUE!!!!!!!! You set your OWN terms when you sell beats on the platform. You can sell beats for as much or as little as you want. This also includes you determining or negotiating your publishing shares. Even if you sell the beat exclusively, YOU’RE STILL ENTITLED TO ROYALTIES. Point blank period.
He's saying beatstars makes it easier for producers to give away too much. Let's be honest dude, the virtual market not much different. The guys selling are guys who give away too much. Yea you set the terms but the guys who sell pretty much give away everything but a credit. This notion that beatstars is making a bunch of guys rich is a farce.
@@ktvbeatz5560 Who said it’s “making a bunch of guys rich”? Certainly not I. And don’t tell me what he’s “saying”. Tell me what he “SAID” which was: producers on BeatStars sell their beats but lose their pub in the process…WHICH IS NOT TRUE. Also, BeatStars only provides a platform. No different than TikTok, UA-cam, etc. Some will greatly profit off it. Example: “Old Town Road” was bought on BeatStars and was one of the biggest records of the past decade. Then there will be others who will make chump change IF anything at all. Anyway “giving too much away” is someone doing that on their own, BeatStars the company has nothing to do with someone doing that. There are MANY producers making a living selling and leasing independently on BeatStars (and other outlets). You don’t have to get rich off of it for it to be useful or profitable. I haven’t gotten “rich” but I’ve paid for A MANY, MANY bills and leisure through using the site. It’s all in the individual, not the website itself.
Exclusive rights to use a beat is not a sale of copyright. It's just saying this one producer can use the beat without another producer being sold the same track. Back in the days it was all done like this. You gave a beat to a single artist and negotiated your split. No artist wanted another artist to have their track. Especially with mixtapes coming out every week. You got an album cut and some random done used the same beat on a mixtape... You would be heated. Read your terms and know what's in the contract. Never sell your rights with a leased beat. You're just giving away money because they said they wanted it. You're giving an artist a beat that potentially could have them in clubs performing even at a low level for $4000 a night. Why would you not get your cut of the pub? Your business revenue is just as important as theirs and they have more avenues to make money than the producer. You deserve your portion but need to know how to not give it away. If the deal ain't right, shut it down and be patient for the right deal or create your own situation.
He correct af that’s why I jus b up 18 hours a day doing this shit as much I can I wish I could just work with people who think like that and expand my sound rather then just tryna work wit a bunch of arrogant ass kids who don’t wanna struggle at all
Its good to work hard but don’t over do yourself.. you’ll take the fun out of it. Sometimes its good to take a little break and come back and bounce back harder than ever. Sometimes I’ll cook up for days den come back the next week and and get that excitement again and it makes me go even harder
Beatstars doesn't sell anyone's rights! The producers on beatstars are in full control of what they choose to sell. I have gotten many placements on beatstars with big artists and i'm still getting royalties to this day!
Yeah that’s why I would never take advice from him. He doesn’t even know what he’s talking about. Becoming a famous producer really has to be luck… I know a mf wit 20 subscribers who makes better beats den dis dude. HE HAD THE CONNECTS AND THE PEOPLE AROUND HIS AREA TO GET ON This dude sounds delusional he thinks he’s right about everything and people listen to him cuz he got lucky and became a famous producer. He’s really not that good or smart and HE DOESN’T GIVE GOOD ADVICE AT ALL
Beat store contracts from Airbit and Beatstars definitely give you 50% of publishing so I’m not sure what the guy did to get his publishing taken away.
It's probably cuz he's signed to a major and thought I could just buy all these beats from kids for 50 percent publishing and basically republish with some adding hats or mixing.
I have spent a lot of time in the studio over the past 15 yrs writing lyrics and making beats, I didn't even know about beat stars doing ppl like that, probably gonna take the few beats I did on there down now
they don't he doesn't know what he's talking about that producer more then likely edited his contract and put language in there that gave away his rights and didn't fully understand what he was doing
The people claiming todays music is has an issue or what not including Southside makes no sense. How can they claim that when they themselves cannot have even a 50% hit ratio of success with all their beats? If the people that claim to know whats wrong with todays music why arent they making hits at a 100% hit ratio??? Till this day no producer in history even has 30% hit ratio let alone 50% because if he did he would be a billionaire easy.
He's fucking capping because he probably tries to walk around contracts from beatstars to give ignorant producers a lesser contract but looks good on the front end.
@@antihero5518 Yeah that’s why I would never take advice from him. He doesn’t even know what he’s talking about. Becoming a famous producer really has to be luck… I know a mf wit 20 subscribers who makes better beats den dis dude. HE HAD THE CONNECTS AND THE PEOPLE AROUND HIS AREA TO GET ON This dude sounds delusional he thinks he’s right about everything and people listen to him cuz he got lucky and became a famous producer. He’s really not that good or smart and HE DOESN’T GIVE GOOD ADVICE AT ALL
AND THAT'S WHY I RUN MY OWN BEATS WEBSITE!!!!!!!!! I DONT SELL EXCLISIVE RIGHTS TO ANY OF MY BEATS! I DO SPLITS WITH ANYONE WHO WANTS. TO PURCHASE FLAT OUT.
I’m glad the he points out that it’s unwise for him to put his producers in a race to the bottom just to make a couple extra bucks with the low effort loop stuff. If he can hook young talent up with real opportunities and get them to where they’re pulling in big money themselves under his publishing company, he makes more money long run. Sure he could flip stuff quick, get the credit, and make tons of money doing so - but he will make even more taking smaller cuts from an army of mega producers. It’s more beneficial to everyone involved. A huge reason the music industry is in a bad state right now is because everyone wants short term gains and is willing to sacrifice the long game for it. The wise know there’s enough to go around.
Selling all of your rights for $1000 is unfortunate but Beat Stars does let you rewrite your contract terms. Its your job to learn how to make those adjustments.
He's wrong about the Beatstars thing though. You actually set up your licenses and when it comes to exclusives, the artist can negotiate with you on the publishing. That producer he knew probably wasn't paying attention and just saw a $1000 paycheck, or maybe he was tricked or thought giving up the pub because its a major artist buying the beat was how things go. Either way that was the producers fault, none of that should fall on Beatstars.
@@johnlemon874 yes, you literally can create your own lease licenses and set the terms and limitations and prices for each one. I have 4 different lease types and could do more if I wanted to.
@@johnlemon874 you shouldn't be selling all rights of anything. If you sell a lease, you still own 100% of the publishing. If you sell an exclusive you should be giving up 50%. Some artists/labels will try to get more though.
Why he interrupted him when he was about to talk about market saturation and what he said to his friend then he moved past it. That was gold you talked over. You gotta let the interviewee shine, dont speak over him
You're better off selling beats to independent artists that'll never "BLOW UP". They may make some noise regionally or go viral, but trying to produce for bigger artists is not really the way anymore. It'll take you 6 months to a year or even a year and months to see a real royalty check if you're getting points on billboard records. This is exclusively in the hip-hop division.
You don't have to make trap beats even though I suggest it. Edm hyperpop and pluggnb are also really popular right now. Just get your drums down first mah boy, find loops and make them crazy
For anyone that’s on here and has used BeatStars a lot, im an artist. Is the 50/50 pub split non-negotiable for a producer unless it’s an exclusive lease? Or can a producer change the pub split for any of the lease options, and would I as the buyer even know that you did. Like for example, if I were to buy a premium lease for wav and mp3 can you as the producer do an 80/20 in your favor and I wouldn’t even know? Cuz that seems pretty fucked in my opinion, but I would love to hear from anyone🙏
I think right now Starboy, outta town, flansie, benjicold, geogotbands, trgc, guys like that are killing it and getting a decent buzz, but they definitely aren't as big as the last generations of big producers who became damn near superstars.
EVERY PRODUCER IS DIFFERENT. Just cuz he’s famous doesn’t mean he’s always right and his way is the right way. Don’t listen to Southside. Whatever worked for him won’t work for u. Everyone blows up differently and tbh I know a mf wit a few hunnet subscribers who makes way better sounding beats than southside. I don’t like this guys advice at all. He’s a very stubborn egotistical man & I don’t like how he tries to act all street n shxt. He disrespected young chops deceased mother I have no respect for this guy. THERES A BUNCH OF PRODUCERS OUT THERE WHO COULD GIVE WAY BETTER ADVICE HALF THE TIME THIS DUDE DON’T EVEN MAKE SENSE WEN HE TALKS ABOUT PRODUCING BUT EVERYONE’S DIFFERENT
@@Shhmoke exactly lol then you won’t be famous enough to let everyone know u came up wit it and everyone will think he was the mastermind behind it all🤣🤣🤣🤣 lol bro keep grinding tho you can make it fasho
he doesn't know what he is talking about the default beat stars contract actually says the producer owns 100% of the publishing and they can be edited if that happened that producer put that in his contract
@@tmfijiibeatz2460 imagine you are an upcoming producer and listen to this guy… he made it sounds like he is the only guy you go through to to make it… signin to him. 2. Im pretty sure he doesn’t get 100k a beat… at least not on every beat… my bullshit meter is going off. 3. He is a legend, he doesn’t need to embarrass himself like this by lying. This interview exposes the fact that dude is full insecurities. Imo
@@user-xw5lu4hh2p Did he not say: “Now I sign guys cause they start blowing up and then want to charge like they (me). You try to get a beat to Future without me and see what happens..” ?
Southside missed a big point here. The number one reason why these new producers are struggling to make a name for themselves is because they have never worked with artists.
I hate this guy with a passion. So egotistical. Half the time he talks im like no way this dude is an “industry producer” he’s bootleg asf I don’t respect him at all. Trying to be a street dude but got robbed for his laptop by young cartel lol
Everybody sounds the same these days. This is an advatage for creative people who are clever about their choices and who are willing to create their original sound. If you stupidly copy everybody, you don’t deserve the spotlight. I’m sorry. BE YOURSELF!
I swear that era where metro, sizzle, 808 mafia, dj spinz, sonny digital had the best music no other producer could do could compare
so you just gone forget about Lex Luger....
Zaytoven, D Rich, Drumma Boy, TM 88
London as well
Facts. The whole 2014-2016 Era of hiphop/ trap music southside/808 mafia dj spinz/ metro boomin Is a classic Era.
It’s crazy because I play slamming brutal death metal and the influence of these producers are felt in the types of grooves heavy musicians are creating now. Respect to Black American artists for giving us so many cultural gifts.
As someone who looks to become a producer, I see the vision in this way w putting your blood sweat and tears into your music 💯
Factss
Facts
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Never “sell” beats. Your copyright is your real estate and should never be negotiable.
Can you explain this more please
@@blizzred2143 “Selling” suggests giving your intellectual property away in exchange for money. You should license or lease your beats, not sell. This way you retain ownership of your music.
@@moerahman6749 thank you 👑
@@blizzred2143 You’re welcome
You can't land a major without giving up the rights no big record is gonna be on a leased track.they would offer you a buy out if it's really a hit.
808 Mafia is nothing without him. He is one of the best & will always remain one. Huge inspiration to world trap. 🔥
Shout Out To SouthSide & 808 I Remember When He Was Outside Outside, Now He On His Grown Man Shit 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Wym outside outside
@@zelmawiliams6551 in the streets more
@@yng27 lol I know that I’m saying specifically
@@zelmawiliams6551 goofball
He is saying that because he knows these big artists, he signs producers because he can get their beats to the top artists. So he gets money and the producer gets money. It takes time to get find producers and send their beats so he also deserves his cut.
What he means about beatstars is that if you don’t know what you’re doing it’s hard and you might not get the fair amount of money you could.
Truth is, if you're green you can be taken unfair advantage of whether it's by beatstars, 808 Mafia or a major label.
Not to say anything bad about Southside, but he said he's signed about 40 producers in the past 2 years. Ok, how many of them have major placements and are recognized for them?
Truth is, things today are much the same as they were in the 90s and prior. There are "gatekeepers" who have the power to make or break careers and many such people do just that, based on their own personal motivations. I don't think Southside is any exception and that's not a diss.
@@dugnice Yep, its gatekeeping to say that because you didn't follow behind me you shouldn't get ahead of me
He also just said he really hates beatstars because they took advantage of young producers because they were ignorant and beatstars said that's not our fault but in the same sentence you say that's how your parents brought you up to believe. I was honestly confused 🤔 like did I misunderstand him or is he talking out of both sides of his mouth
@@dugnice Why gatekeeping? There is lots of producers that are not on his team and They get placements
Major respect to southside. inspired so many around the world and continues to give back.
Heads up to people on BeatStars who didn't know this, but you can customize your contract to make it say whatever you want and have whatever splits you want. The default one doesn't even say 0% publishing or 0% royalties so I'm not quite sure where he's getting this from.
Exactly! I'm sittin' here like "What is he talkin' about?"
Frl mines is 50% in the contract so idk what that producer he talking about did wrong
he's just not from this modern era so he really doesn't know because he docent have to use beats stars he's a house whole name and legend
That's how it was before Beatstars changed it
@@Dizzy808Productions true enough but he literally says "I hate Beatstars". Where does the hate come from when he knows nothing about it and has like no experience with it?
Beatstars let's you set up the split when you make your license. I think it's automatically set to 50/50 unless you change it.
Ayo my guy, you seem like you know a little about how BeatStars works, could you help me out?
I’m an artist. Is the 50/50 pub split non-negotiable for a producer unless it’s an exclusive lease? Or can a producer change the pub split for any of the lease options, and would I as the buyer even know that you did. Like for example, if I were to buy a premium lease for wav and mp3 can you as the producer do an 80/20 in your favor and I wouldn’t even know? Cuz that seems pretty fucked in my opinion, but I would love to hear from anyone🙏
@@danmateofficial8775 why would you got 80/20 with a collab? U go 50/50 no matter what and then 33/33/33 for 3 and so on
@@Kizip I have no problem with a 50/50 split
What I want to know is can said producer of a beat that I want to purchase alter the deal without me knowing?
@@Kizip like for instance if I were to purchase a lease from you, would you be able to alter the percentage split to benefit you more if you wanted to? Not saying that you would I just know there’s people in this business that don’t believe in it being fair
@@danmateofficial8775well of course there’s scammers in everything and it is possible to not make any money of collabs if the producer doesn’t even give u credit for the loop or drums. but I would talk to a lawyer if that situation ever happened cause that’s just scamming
The irony of Southside saying that the loop makers wouldn’t be anybody without them so who would they be without the loop makers???
He didn't say they wouldn't be anybody without them. He said he's tryna help em (it's a win win for both parties) and use their loops. But those kids wanna charge them money which is stupid cause you probably won't get a placement with Future without Southside and instead of them being grateful and wait for their turn to become big they tryna make some shit like that. Not to mention, Southside said if he wanna help a kid he will put his tag on the beat even tho he didn't do none on that beat. I think if the roles were reversed, Southside would be grateful for them even acknowledging him so yeah y'all taking everything out of context
What I got from it was, he doesn't understand Unknown loop makers charging him on the front end when they're gonna get back end from the placement
Lol he just became famous by makin lex luger type beats
@@princeoffine Grateful my ass lol this the same man that tried to come at Swizz Beats and other heavy hitters in the game. This man don’t have a single *Hit* under his belt that he produced himself *without help*
@@masemboross4996 I’m not saying you cap but idk he gotta have at least one ima do the research tho
Real talk and the catalogue backs it 💯
"Stopped doing what me and Metro did".
Bite off of Lex Luger? Lmao... Life
Mmmmmmm Metro ain bite nothing
@@trez1914 History will prove you otherwise but u got it lol
@@trez1914his early production up until 2014 was very lex inspired
Lex started it all his beats are still played in arenas til this day
I ain’t skipping shit. I was born in the struggle just let me know where these sessions at so I can attend now. That’s where I’m at
The market is oversaturated in a sense but if your sound is genuine and has quality and its relative and progressive, then it'll fucking pop with the right artist. You just have to do whatever it takes to market your uniqueness out there. Southside also made some dope points too
Yes that artist is Tooeasy outta nc the kid is sick here
Right. The beat market is saturated with the same old stuff we’ve heard, but not really saturated with innovative or creative beats. I’m seeing a lot of producers still go from 0-100 in 2022, but it’s the ones that are bringing something new to the table.
Yup, market's saturated but you just know a Southside banger before the tag drop
I also feel that although theres so many beatmakers now, we're also getting a larger market of people who want to rap or make music, and people who need mixing. Both markets having more people hopefullY means more for everyone
@@早 you see the problem is that people don’t like to listen to something unique and different from what is happening in the charts. This forces producers and artists to just go down a more mainstream path as they have no real other option.
SouthSide the Big Boss 🐐 🔥
Yeah what he said about Beatstars is completely not true.
sad part is he's not the first popular producer to say this.
The Beatstars information is 100% inaccurate. Beatstars contracts are put together by the producer lol, the contracts are customizable. You don't have to sell full rights to a beat & yes you do still collect publishing.
Facts 💯
That was all on the producer Beatstars had nothing to do with it.
Yeah that’s why I would never take advice from him. He doesn’t even know what he’s talking about. Becoming a famous producer really has to be luck… I know a mf wit 20 subscribers who makes better beats den dis dude. HE HAD THE CONNECTS AND THE PEOPLE AROUND HIS AREA TO GET ON
This dude sounds delusional he thinks he’s right about everything and people listen to him cuz he got lucky and became a famous producer. He’s really not that good or smart and HE DOESN’T GIVE GOOD ADVICE AT ALL
You want to know how to stop the computer/technology shit? Pay producers for their studio time. In-person sessions only….if they are really that gifted.
Necessary evil too many artists nowadays. if you don't know how to record on the road you can't push out enough music in today's business.
ton of respect for Southside.
Man souncloud proved we don’t want gatekeepers the youth should decide and y’all should follow. And let the youth learn and adapt before you take over to “save” it
Nah the culture needs gatekeeping, can't leave the door open for the culture vultures, that's how rock died, they took it, and mutated the genre for decades until it was a husk.
@@StatiCRjm rap will never die. It’s to embedded into black culture for it to die. Other ethnicities may lose interest in it because they themselves are the culture vultures. But black people will never stop rapping and making beats even if rap isn’t as mainstream as it is now.
Bro just dodged that WHOLE QUESTION
Big producers seem no different from the record company
They make the music that the artists needs.
They really aren’t. At a certain level the fastest way to make money in a capitalistic system is to take a product that someone else makes, package and market it to a buyer, marking it up in the process. That’s how almost all business works. At a high level this is how producers make generational wealth, you graduate from becoming the source of the product to the middleman. The real issue is how greedy you get with this - Southside is laying out how it can be done where everyone wins, and his method creates a path to where producers who start under him can one day graduate to this level as well. Ideally they’ll build a name for themselves and develop demand that outpaces their ability to create product, restarting the cycle. You can argue he shouldn’t be making money off other people’s product at all but unfortunately that’s the way of the world.
They not They just not the people Kanye was talking about
Thanks for the tips champs 🤴🏿👌🏾
I started making beats back in 1989. Everybody wanted to rap then, but there weren't many beatmakers because the technology was expensive. To get a drum machine, 1 or 2 keyboards, a sampler, and a turntable would set you back a lot of bread. Today, anyone with a laptop and FL can make beats with pre-made loops. I'm not knocking loops, but it's really not your idea because you're basically just doing a remix. Anyway, I thought this was a good interview and Southside's take on BeatStars.
Back then early beatmakers didn't understand the business of music. There is music or beats that have become #1 hits from producers that will never get a dime or credit. I mean bad ass raw ideas that made millions. So listen too these tracks can back fire. But keep on eating my pie. I'm dat ninja.
I always found it wild that back in the 1990s, there was a video game called "MTV Music Generator" that would let you mix and match loops. It was supposed to be like a fun toy to get kids into the idea of making music. It's crazy how like 20 years later, just mixing and matching loops *is* the dominate approach most people take.
Yes I remembered having my mpc 2000xl and Triton and proteus but I still was dabbling in fruityloops at the beginning stages.
Lmao fl be lit tho
@@kiddalmatiangawd8389 there are are some who come out and swear FL isn't the smash. It's a video game to be exact and put a lot of money and fame on people who really aren't musically inclined.
SouthSide is right, not knowing and jumping into something is your fault. But at the same time Beatsstars doesn’t have to take advantage of people just because they can.
Nothin but luvh right here. Can't wait to interview witcha Kev 💯 813 all day
Just to give more clarity, him and Morray have the same manager. But anyone who has used BeatStars knows his comment is not true, and that all agreements are customizable on BeatStars. BeatStars is not involved with any transaction, they are between buyer and seller. I love Southside, and everything he has done for music and the culture of hip-hop, but he has never used BeatStars and doesn't know what he's talking about. Thanks to everyone in the comments for defending us, and speaking the truth. Still would love to have you on BeatStars, Southside, and show you what our platform and community is all about. We fight for creators 🙏❤️
I see lots of producers make the same type of beats that’s why I told my producer you make customized beats for me to rap on.There’s ton of producers online who sound alike.
I must have missed this part. I apologize Kev this was a gem gem right here !
S/O to Southside but Damn I hate how many people just got wrong information from this. 🤦🏾♂
You mind elaborating?
@@MJDFRESH he prob talkin bout the way Southside explained music rights
Right?? 1) Producers that sell beats on Beatstars DO keep their pub rights; unless they purposely choose not to by customizing their default contract that Beatstars sets you up with.
2) There's way better advice to give than the ole: "You HAVE to struggle like I did." Teach the strategies of how to go through the struggle more efficiently
@@soccerman127 💯 he may just be ignorant to the facts about beatstars tho
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Yeah, I wasn't feeling that "struggle" comment. On one hand he claims he *wants* to help aspiring producers, then he complains that they want to skip struggling. One of benefits of being signed to Southside is *supposed* to be that you're not gonna have to struggle, because you're signed to an established brand.
We are the real upcoming Producers
Bootleg Kev Devils Ray hat is fire.
1:23 LIKE TIMBALAND!
1:15 - 1:25 He talking about Taz Taylor (among others)
I don't know if he's talking about just one guy. He's talking about major producers who take credit for music made by aspiring producers. Ghost producing is a thing and it has traditionally been referred to as "paying dues".
@@dugnice cashmoney AP does too but taz Taylor is one the biggest person that does this.
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Never heard of Taz Taylor.
@@taylorstep8135
I'm not trying to know who he is. 😂
"I signed them" = "i used them for their talent"
He has that luxury as being at the top, to know ur place if ur at the bottom u gotta do what u gotta do. U get a placement in a Future beat, get some cash and clout. Won't set u for life but U gotta start at the bottom and a beat for future is 1 hell of a way to start.
This my year I stg produced my whole album shit bussin on Brodie learned this shit over the summer cuz artist don’t get shit unless you making and creating every last part of the song which I do now shit feel amazing to make whatever mood you in
#PEACE SouthSide is #DOPE. #BostonPalmTreez
Everybody learn a new instrument
I love Southside but the shit he saying bout selling on BeatStars IS NOT TRUE!!!!!!!! You set your OWN terms when you sell beats on the platform. You can sell beats for as much or as little as you want. This also includes you determining or negotiating your publishing shares. Even if you sell the beat exclusively, YOU’RE STILL ENTITLED TO ROYALTIES. Point blank period.
He's saying beatstars makes it easier for producers to give away too much. Let's be honest dude, the virtual market not much different. The guys selling are guys who give away too much. Yea you set the terms but the guys who sell pretty much give away everything but a credit. This notion that beatstars is making a bunch of guys rich is a farce.
@@ktvbeatz5560 Who said it’s “making a bunch of guys rich”? Certainly not I. And don’t tell me what he’s “saying”. Tell me what he “SAID” which was: producers on BeatStars sell their beats but lose their pub in the process…WHICH IS NOT TRUE. Also, BeatStars only provides a platform. No different than TikTok, UA-cam, etc. Some will greatly profit off it. Example: “Old Town Road” was bought on BeatStars and was one of the biggest records of the past decade. Then there will be others who will make chump change IF anything at all. Anyway “giving too much away” is someone doing that on their own, BeatStars the company has nothing to do with someone doing that. There are MANY producers making a living selling and leasing independently on BeatStars (and other outlets). You don’t have to get rich off of it for it to be useful or profitable. I haven’t gotten “rich” but I’ve paid for A MANY, MANY bills and leisure through using the site. It’s all in the individual, not the website itself.
@@RobBecTraxxx Amen brother! Preach!!
Thank you bro 🙏
Exclusive rights to use a beat is not a sale of copyright. It's just saying this one producer can use the beat without another producer being sold the same track. Back in the days it was all done like this. You gave a beat to a single artist and negotiated your split. No artist wanted another artist to have their track. Especially with mixtapes coming out every week. You got an album cut and some random done used the same beat on a mixtape... You would be heated. Read your terms and know what's in the contract. Never sell your rights with a leased beat. You're just giving away money because they said they wanted it. You're giving an artist a beat that potentially could have them in clubs performing even at a low level for $4000 a night. Why would you not get your cut of the pub? Your business revenue is just as important as theirs and they have more avenues to make money than the producer. You deserve your portion but need to know how to not give it away. If the deal ain't right, shut it down and be patient for the right deal or create your own situation.
He correct af that’s why I jus b up 18 hours a day doing this shit as much I can I wish I could just work with people who think like that and expand my sound rather then just tryna work wit a bunch of arrogant ass kids who don’t wanna struggle at all
Its good to work hard but don’t over do yourself.. you’ll take the fun out of it. Sometimes its good to take a little break and come back and bounce back harder than ever. Sometimes I’ll cook up for days den come back the next week and and get that excitement again and it makes me go even harder
Beatstars doesn't sell anyone's rights! The producers on beatstars are in full control of what they choose to sell. I have gotten many placements on beatstars with big artists and i'm still getting royalties to this day!
Yeah that’s why I would never take advice from him. He doesn’t even know what he’s talking about. Becoming a famous producer really has to be luck… I know a mf wit 20 subscribers who makes better beats den dis dude. HE HAD THE CONNECTS AND THE PEOPLE AROUND HIS AREA TO GET ON
This dude sounds delusional he thinks he’s right about everything and people listen to him cuz he got lucky and became a famous producer. He’s really not that good or smart and HE DOESN’T GIVE GOOD ADVICE AT ALL
FL gang wya 🤍🔫
Beat store contracts from Airbit and Beatstars definitely give you 50% of publishing so I’m not sure what the guy did to get his publishing taken away.
It's probably cuz he's signed to a major and thought I could just buy all these beats from kids for 50 percent publishing and basically republish with some adding hats or mixing.
MF talking like a real snake.
i wish i could live that life.. you can tell in his eyes he is different
Big facts 💯 💯💯
i wouldn't take any advice from someone that did that to their face
Thx homez I sample your 808s
Southside is my Idol
That’s wild
I have spent a lot of time in the studio over the past 15 yrs writing lyrics and making beats, I didn't even know about beat stars doing ppl like that, probably gonna take the few beats I did on there down now
they don't he doesn't know what he's talking about that producer more then likely edited his contract and put language in there that gave away his rights and didn't fully understand what he was doing
If you sell a lease on beat stars how is that selling all your rights and pub? It’s a lease tf
On me bruhh
Make them kids work for it, straight up. Thas why most of these kids nowadays don't respect shit.
The people claiming todays music is has an issue or what not including Southside makes no sense. How can they claim that when they themselves cannot have even a 50% hit ratio of success with all their beats? If the people that claim to know whats wrong with todays music why arent they making hits at a 100% hit ratio??? Till this day no producer in history even has 30% hit ratio let alone 50% because if he did he would be a billionaire easy.
Or at least have 100 million
As an artist that actually purchase exclusives (if I seriously like em), producers definitely have pub percentages in the contracts
He's fucking capping because he probably tries to walk around contracts from beatstars to give ignorant producers a lesser contract but looks good on the front end.
@@antihero5518 Yeah that’s why I would never take advice from him. He doesn’t even know what he’s talking about. Becoming a famous producer really has to be luck… I know a mf wit 20 subscribers who makes better beats den dis dude. HE HAD THE CONNECTS AND THE PEOPLE AROUND HIS AREA TO GET ON
This dude sounds delusional he thinks he’s right about everything and people listen to him cuz he got lucky and became a famous producer. He’s really not that good or smart and HE DOESN’T GIVE GOOD ADVICE AT ALL
Make Ya Own !!! Prrrit
AND THAT'S WHY I RUN MY OWN BEATS WEBSITE!!!!!!!!! I DONT SELL EXCLISIVE RIGHTS TO ANY OF MY BEATS! I DO SPLITS WITH ANYONE WHO WANTS. TO PURCHASE FLAT OUT.
I’m glad the he points out that it’s unwise for him to put his producers in a race to the bottom just to make a couple extra bucks with the low effort loop stuff. If he can hook young talent up with real opportunities and get them to where they’re pulling in big money themselves under his publishing company, he makes more money long run. Sure he could flip stuff quick, get the credit, and make tons of money doing so - but he will make even more taking smaller cuts from an army of mega producers. It’s more beneficial to everyone involved. A huge reason the music industry is in a bad state right now is because everyone wants short term gains and is willing to sacrifice the long game for it. The wise know there’s enough to go around.
Beatstars aint responsible for that one 😂😂
im coming for your pub company bro
Whats the mpc in the thumbnail?
Mpc1000
@@MokhiBeats thank you
Don’t make your intro silent bro almost blew my speakers out thinking the audio was trippin then BOOOOM!!! Like dam yooo
You also part of the weather project ?
He killed that Curren$y album.
Free agent
Key sentence. He had his mom and dad.
I hope a lot of you out there with talent know to make it regardless
Selling all of your rights for $1000 is unfortunate but Beat Stars does let you rewrite your contract terms. Its your job to learn how to make those adjustments.
#POWERUP #DOPE
40 producers??? Dang this guy put more people on than most established producers/rappers
There could be 5 to 10 different upcoming producers in a day he's rubbing shoulders with.
He's wrong about the Beatstars thing though. You actually set up your licenses and when it comes to exclusives, the artist can negotiate with you on the publishing. That producer he knew probably wasn't paying attention and just saw a $1000 paycheck, or maybe he was tricked or thought giving up the pub because its a major artist buying the beat was how things go. Either way that was the producers fault, none of that should fall on Beatstars.
^^Was going to say the same!
Can you just not sell exclusive licenses? Like unlimited max
@@johnlemon874 yes, you literally can create your own lease licenses and set the terms and limitations and prices for each one. I have 4 different lease types and could do more if I wanted to.
@@MarcelDM Ok, but as long as you don't sell exclusive you are not selling all rights or am I wrong?
@@johnlemon874 you shouldn't be selling all rights of anything. If you sell a lease, you still own 100% of the publishing. If you sell an exclusive you should be giving up 50%. Some artists/labels will try to get more though.
Southside is the producer version of Nas. They look alike
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he ignorant talkn bout beatstars. even on exclusives, it only lasts for 10years. after 10years is up u collect ur bread.
Why he interrupted him when he was about to talk about market saturation and what he said to his friend then he moved past it. That was gold you talked over. You gotta let the interviewee shine, dont speak over him
You're better off selling beats to independent artists that'll never "BLOW UP". They may make some noise regionally or go viral, but trying to produce for bigger artists is not really the way anymore. It'll take you 6 months to a year or even a year and months to see a real royalty check if you're getting points on billboard records. This is exclusively in the hip-hop division.
808 needa help me out
Amapiano
Just wait, they will see... I agree with you
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Im sorry bro, i m Reaalllyy sorry i nevr make beats from ur type, hopd i find myself, i didnt know u like that, ok i presh it ur work😔
You don't have to make trap beats even though I suggest it. Edm hyperpop and pluggnb are also really popular right now. Just get your drums down first mah boy, find loops and make them crazy
@@isaacnostylist bro appreciate it, thanks
@@isaacnostylist corporate jingles
For anyone that’s on here and has used BeatStars a lot, im an artist. Is the 50/50 pub split non-negotiable for a producer unless it’s an exclusive lease? Or can a producer change the pub split for any of the lease options, and would I as the buyer even know that you did. Like for example, if I were to buy a premium lease for wav and mp3 can you as the producer do an 80/20 in your favor and I wouldn’t even know? Cuz that seems pretty fucked in my opinion, but I would love to hear from anyone🙏
Just read the license terms before checkout, its all there.
not after you purchase you get the license at the same time you buy the beat
Did he make "Checclist" by Wacotron?
Seriously- newbies get hungry and the more established "brands" disperse crumbs while they keep most of the loaf.
Free game!$
He really danced around every question smh it’s like bro if you don’t want to give any advice then just say that lol
Listen again to the part about "they don't want to do what me and metro did" and go do those things. 😜
look at wat they did they networked with all the local rappers and build up with one artist. like lex and waka metro ndd thug young chop cheif keef.
super facts
Too late now, my beats going nowhere in life now
Ur beats gonna take u far in life u got this !!!
@@k-win118 stop lying to him
@Kyle Schmidt 🎯🎯🎯🎯
@Kyle Schmidt Ew capitalism. No we need new albums every day or so, so help us celebrate and reflect. there is SO MUCH more room for artists.
Yep. Nowhere fast.
The game so different now
wish i could get put on w soufside, shitll be a dream come true
Hi please set me up with someone i can submit my beats too
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The Producer/Beat maker community lost it's hype bad lately.
I think right now Starboy, outta town, flansie, benjicold, geogotbands, trgc, guys like that are killing it and getting a decent buzz, but they definitely aren't as big as the last generations of big producers who became damn near superstars.
@@Tendenciess not to mention the drill prod community, it’s very active
He’s talking out his ass about Beatstars.
Everyone sounds the same.
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South side need to tap in with me
EVERY PRODUCER IS DIFFERENT. Just cuz he’s famous doesn’t mean he’s always right and his way is the right way. Don’t listen to Southside. Whatever worked for him won’t work for u. Everyone blows up differently and tbh I know a mf wit a few hunnet subscribers who makes way better sounding beats than southside. I don’t like this guys advice at all. He’s a very stubborn egotistical man & I don’t like how he tries to act all street n shxt. He disrespected young chops deceased mother I have no respect for this guy. THERES A BUNCH OF PRODUCERS OUT THERE WHO COULD GIVE WAY BETTER ADVICE
HALF THE TIME THIS DUDE DON’T EVEN MAKE SENSE WEN HE TALKS ABOUT PRODUCING BUT EVERYONE’S DIFFERENT
@@Kay_Locc I'm jk I don't need no industry mfs around me he'll probably take my sauce
@@Shhmoke exactly lol then you won’t be famous enough to let everyone know u came up wit it and everyone will think he was the mastermind behind it all🤣🤣🤣🤣 lol bro keep grinding tho you can make it fasho
he doesn't know what he is talking about the default beat stars contract actually says the producer owns 100% of the publishing and they can be edited if that happened that producer put that in his contract
I see you gate keeping! This dude produces a whole lot of 🧢. He can’t stop cappin his name should be new era… 😂
Wym bro explain I’m curious
@@tmfijiibeatz2460 imagine you are an upcoming producer and listen to this guy… he made it sounds like he is the only guy you go through to to make it… signin to him. 2. Im pretty sure he doesn’t get 100k a beat… at least not on every beat… my bullshit meter is going off. 3. He is a legend, he doesn’t need to embarrass himself like this by lying. This interview exposes the fact that dude is full insecurities. Imo
@@bricedeplace no where did he make it sound like you need to sign to him
He always been full of cap 🧢 lol go look at his djvlad interview
@@user-xw5lu4hh2p Did he not say: “Now I sign guys cause they start blowing up and then want to charge like they (me). You try to get a beat to Future without me and see what happens..” ?
deleted my beatstars
Let ur guest talk
Southside missed a big point here. The number one reason why these new producers are struggling to make a name for themselves is because they have never worked with artists.
That title and statement is so fucking funny considering Soutside stole everything he is from Lex.
I hate this guy with a passion. So egotistical. Half the time he talks im like no way this dude is an “industry producer” he’s bootleg asf I don’t respect him at all. Trying to be a street dude but got robbed for his laptop by young cartel lol
Everybody sounds the same these days. This is an advatage for creative people who are clever about their choices and who are willing to create their original sound. If you stupidly copy everybody, you don’t deserve the spotlight. I’m sorry. BE YOURSELF!
All this people having an opinion on Southside. Where are y'all fire beats at?