Steelers QB Facing Two Very Different Outcomes
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russ is one. jf is back up. if he was explosive, all offense, winning. then yes. but it is not. russ is better, experience, just saying. haters want to hate.
and somehow everyone forgets that Doug Baldwin and Lockett were slow, bad at separation and weak to produce at the level they produced with Russ. So Russ knows damn well how tto setup WRs to sucess, look what he did to Sutton last year. Problably Sutton's best individual season.
Jf 2 has better numbers than mahomes
@@brandonhayes670Russ had the same numbers as mahomes last year until he got benched so what?
Justin hoepfully keeps doing what hes doing. Id like to see him throw more but I get why they playing conservative with him too. Win or lose, we need Russ to get going. He is the more accomplished and experienced QB. Hes handled his situation great for a vet. Could you imagine Rodgers being so humble?
True. And here people were bashing Russ with a bunch of lies.
Now I've heard all the grumblings, like "if Russ was really injured, why is he suited up?" I'm going to focus 9n this one due to the fact that people have forgotten something.
Big Ben, had gotten injured. And it kept him out of games. But, guess what? He was still suited up and was on the depth chart as the back-up QB. Does anyone remember that?
Now, the reason why I do believe that when healthy Russ will play and Justin will sit. Is because.....Justin isn't a #1 QB. It's just that simple. No one can convince me that they believe Justin can take the STEELERS to the playoffs or beyond. You're absolutely fooling yourselves if you do. The Steelers know exactly why Justin was always #2 on the depth chart. And still is.
Steelers fans have gotten to this love affair phase with QBs to the point that everything they do wrong....its the WRs, Oline, head coach, OC's fault. Never the QB since Paranoid Pickett. And it has carried on this season with Justin. If Russ is healthy enough to start, START'EM. The Steelers need a QB with veteran leadership skills that will not only push his teammates, but. Also motivate them. And as of right now.....there is no bonafide leader on that offense. And keep 8n mind. When Mason started last season.....you seen that entire offense change with him. Why?.....Mason not only brought his talents to the field....he also brought leadership and motivated his team.
he's been fine for weeks guys.. i don't know why media is so fooled by his injury
Yeah. The Steelers needed to take a look at JF and they sat Russ down, and he didn’t mind it. He put the organization before himself!
Are you listening LoB, Nick Wright, Mark Schlereth, and everybody who claimed Russ was an egomaniac???
LET CAPTAIN RUSS COOK!!!
You gotta love all the Russell Wilson haters on this podcast every day all you do is talk shit Russ at 35 is gonna be a better quarterback than just enough field is ever gonna be in the NFL playing fax numbers prove it. I can’t even listen to this shit anymore you guys are clowns.
😂 ur delusional
What if we just wanted to see Fields to the worth of a sixth-round pick but short of a mandatory 4th at a certain amount of playing time.
Thatd b crazy russ shouldn't b traded or released but fields had better numbers than big time qbs and we need someone that can move with the line we have rn
Yup. And the great thing about it was that Russ went with it. He was cool with it.
Fields is missing open receivers constantly Willson should be given a chance to Shore this up before just giving his starting job away
There pulling fields so they dont have to give up a 4th pick they fugured theyd let him play the easier forst half games and save wilson for the back half if fields plays more then 50 percent of snaps then we have to give the bears a 4th he was a bridge for russ and it was a way too see if fields could be the Future hes not sorry we sign russ to a two yeardeal and go draft a qb
Listen, we know you are in love with Justin Fields. Him having a great game against the Raiders doesn’t mean shit. It just means he plays well against average teams. Justin Fields is not winning you a Super Bowl. You brought Russell Wilson to town to get you to the playoffs and give you a deep run in the playoffs. Russ is going to open that fence up. You’re not gonna see stacked boxes out of fear that Russ is gonna throw the ball over the top on them way more accurate knows how to call a team when they’re up against it and it’s gonna be a better quarterback than Justin Fields ever will be even at the age of 35 we get it you guys are in love with athleticism. What’s that done for the Steelers lately? Justin Fields is the same average inaccurate quarterback. He was in Chicago. All he’s done is cut down on the turnovers because they’ve done down the office limited what he does because he doesn’t know what to do when they let them do anything.
Russ is rust I rather have a QB wit everything ahead than behind if Russ had been starting I believe we would be 2-3if not 1-4 You don't get better in a place like the NFL. Sitting the bench period think when was the last gm Russ threw 4 300 and ran 4 75 with 4tds if they replace fields they won't make the playoffs & it will probably cost Tomlin his job
Russ was definitely brought in for a reason! Time to see what he can do!
Russ can snap ball under center better too. Doesn't that open playbook some?
@@y2kelly66 Absolutely! Not as many mental mistakes either.
My guy, you have been hating on Russ in favor of JF. He’s not that good. He’s just YOUNG! I have a story for you about young QBs:
*HERE ARE SOME INTERESTING FACTS*
JF is 25. Everyone keeps talking like this is an advantage, but the trend analysis below says otherwise:
Over the past 24 years, do you know how many QBs age 25 or younger have won SBs? Just 4!
Brady (24)
Rothlisberger (23)
Russ (25)
Mahomes (24)
That’s it, and only Russ and Mahomes have done it over the last decade.
Since 2000, only 8 QBs have won SBs before age 30, and only 3 of those (Russ, Foles, and Mahomes) won SBs in the last decade. If we want to include Flacco from 2012, that’s 4:
Brady
Rothlisberger
Dilfer*
Rodgers
Flacco**
Russ
Foles*
Mahomes
*Not a HoF QB
**Borderline HoF QB (depending)
Three of the four guys under age 30 who have won SBs since 2012 were either HoF QBs (Russ, Mahomes) or borderline HoF QBs (Flacco) and all showed it early in their careers. They didn’t need 3-4 years.
In 2012, Russ walked into a team that had gone 7-9 in back-to-back seasons (2010 and 2011) with the LoB and Beast Mode on the team, and nearly led that same squad to the SB as a true rookie in 2012. He then led that squad to back-to-back SBs.
*For the record, there’s a particular metric showing that Russ gets in the HoF no matter what he does going forward, but that’s another debate for another time.*
Each of the QBs who didn’t win at least one SB by age 25 was at least 27 years old by the time they did.
This means Dilfer, Rodgers, Flacco, and Foles were all 27 or older when they won their SBs. Again, two of those age 27+ guys are basically HoF QBs, and the other two had completely loaded teams.
Guys 25 and younger don’t win SBs unless they are truly special, which Russ was and is.
Guys rarely win before age 30, and almost all of those who do are on a HoF track when they do it. Those who aren’t future HoFers (e.g., Dilfer and Foles) have completely loaded teams and HoF caliber coaches!
Trends matter, people.
How likely is Justin Fields to be that guy given the trend? He has had three miserable seasons in Chicago and is not on a HoF trajectory.
Yet, delusional Steelers fans think JF will get them a SB this year or next year with the O-Line and WR deficiencies the Steelers have. It’s not going to happen that soon, if it ever does.
The Steelers are gambling on JF, and they aren’t likely to win that gamble.
#Craps! Next shooter!
He can become Geno Smith or Sam Darnold, but that’s going to take some time.
If the Steelers and Steelers fans are looking to win now, Russ is the QB to get them there, and that’s only if they fix that O-Line. Russ will develop a WR for himself!
Unlike Mahomes and other QBs, Russ has proven that he doesn’t need superstar receivers. He just needs disciplined receivers with good hands who run crisp routes and will extend those routes when plays break down. That’s it.
That encapsulates what Russ had while in Seattle. He made DK into a superstar and then left when DK was blowing up. Tyler Locket is great but unlikely to be a HoF WR.
S. Rice
Obamanu
Baldwin
T. Lockett
G. Tate
Kearse
D. Moore
R. Lockette
P. Richardson
L. Willson (TE)
Z. Miller (TE)
J. Graham (TE, past his prime)
Josh Gordon (a few games)
Russ threw the ball to mostly nobodies and had high-level success.
The fans who know his FULL history and understand football know what happened in Denver and know that he should be QB1 in Pittsburgh.
There's no such thing as Kaboli always knows what he's talking about!!
Let RW play behind this OL...it's his LIFE...
Russ is played behind a patrick offensive line most of his career anybody who says he’s not gonna survive behind that Line is stupid or never watched him play. He’s the best option for this team to get the offense going for the simple fact is no team is going to stack the box knowing that he can pass the ball all over the field on them or especially throw the ball deep to Pickens
JF’s sack% is always higher than Russ’s. JF’s backups in Chicago were sacked at a 6.6% rate while he was sacked at a 12.6% rate playing behind the same O-Line.
In 2023, Russ’s runs resulted in 1st downs 47% of the time, while JF’s only reached first downs 37% of the time. This year, JF’s 1st-down% is 29%.
Furthermore, Russ and JF were not far apart on YPA, with Russ and JF separated by about 0.5 YPA.
Russ, who appeared in 15 games in 2023 and had almost zero designed runs, finished 8th in QB rush yards last season, barely behind #7 Patrick Mahomes, who played in all 17 games and had 3+ designed runs per game, an average of about 1 per quarter.
Russ can still rush for 400-550 yards. Combined with his passing ability, that’s better than 1,000 rush yards and lousy passing any day of the week.
And people need to quit talking like Russ didn’t have his own h3ll in Denver! Not only did his team suck, especially the O-Line and WRs, but he had a coach hating on him, trying to provoke him into an altercation so they could void his contract, and basically not even coaching him.
Sean Payton has never treated a player the way he treated Russ.
I believe Russ will have his lowest per-game sack total in years this season.
If Justins spot is gone regardless of how he plays for a 40 yr old qb. That would be absolutely ridiculous.
Russ was the best for a decade. Kirk and Rodgers ain't better. Age is not an issue here.
@@hansbystrom9983 russ was just mid last year stop it
@@blalockgnosis literally top 10 stats wise with less games played, idk where you guys get this shit from? LMAO
@@blalockgnosis ...with a coach that hated him. Before that he had the worst coach in the NFL lol
Didn’t we lose to old Flacco lol
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO STEELERS AND BEAT THEM RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mike T loves playing musical chairs with his offensive tackles, QBs, Guards etc. smh. He has no feel for offense and has no offensive background
Dude is weird. He thinks JF is another Lamar Jackson.
So if Russ was all this like u say why wasn't he named the starter 🤔 if he's in full participation...clearly they not bought in so stop the madness
Russ has been named the starter and has been sitting atop the depth chart the whole time.
Lets be honest, the qb position isnt the problem. Russ isnt moving the needle much, if at all
Russ will move the needle a lot!
Kaboly is right tomlin will bench fields no matter what fields does sunday,and that's why the steelers will NEVER go to another superbowl with tomlin although I bet tomlin might drag it out to the bye week,and when he does the season is OVER maybe even the beloved mediocre streak.russell wilson has done nothing in Pittsburgh he is gonna get sacked over and over and check down.being older dosen't mean he's better,and the broncos agree
*HERE ARE SOME INTERESTING FACTS*
JF is 25. Everyone keeps talking like this is an advantage, but the trend analysis below says otherwise:
Over the past 24 years, do you know how many QBs age 25 or younger have won SBs? Just 4!
Brady (24)
Rothlisberger (23)
Russ (25)
Mahomes (24)
That’s it, and only Russ and Mahomes have done it over the last decade.
Since 2000, only 8 QBs have won SBs before age 30, and only 3 of those (Russ, Foles, and Mahomes) won SBs in the last decade. If we want to include Flacco from 2012, that’s 4:
Brady
Rothlisberger
Dilfer*
Rodgers
Flacco**
Russ
Foles*
Mahomes
*Not a HoF QB
**Borderline HoF QB (depending)
Three of the four guys under age 30 who have won SBs since 2012 were either HoF QBs (Russ, Mahomes) or borderline HoF QBs (Flacco) and all showed it early in their careers. They didn’t need 3-4 years.
Russ walked into a team that had gone 7-9 in back-to-back seasons in the two years before he was drafted (with the LoB and BM), and nearly led that same squad to the SB as a true rookie. He then led that squad to back-to-back SBs.
*For the record, there’s a particular metric showing that Russ gets in the HoF no matter what he does going forward, but that’s another debate for another time.*
Each of the QBs who didn’t win at least one SB by age 25 was at least 27 years old by the time they did.
This means Dilfer, Rodgers, Flacco, and Foles were all 27 or older when they won their SBs. Again, two of those age 27+ guys are basically HoF QBs, and the other two had completely loaded teams.
Guys 25 and younger don’t win SBs unless they are truly special, which Russ was and is.
Guys rarely win before age 30, and almost all of those who do are on a HoF track when they do it. Those who aren’t future HoFers (e.g., Dilfer and Foles) have completely loaded teams and HoF caliber coaches!
Trends matter, people.
How likely is Justin Fields to be that guy given the trend? He has had three miserable seasons in Chicago and is not on a HoF trajectory.
Yet, delusional Steelers fans think JF will get them a SB this year or next year with the O-Line and WR deficiencies the Steelers have. It’s not going to happen that soon, if it ever does.
The Steelers are gambling on JF, and they aren’t likely to win that gamble.
#Craps! Next shooter!
He can become Geno Smith or Sam Darnold, but that’s going to take some time.
If the Steelers and Steelers fans are looking to win now, Russ is the QB to get them there, and that’s only if they fix that O-Line. Russ will develop a WR for himself!
Unlike Mahomes and other QBs, Russ has proven that he doesn’t need superstar receivers. He just needs disciplined receivers with good hands who run crisp routes and will extend those routes when plays break down. That’s it.
That encapsulates what Russ had while in Seattle. He made DK into a superstar and then left when DK was blowing up. Tyler Locket is great but unlikely to be a HoF WR.
S. Rice
Obamanu
Baldwin
T. Lockett
G. Tate
Kearse
D. Moore
R. Lockette
P. Richardson
L. Willson (TE)
Z. Miller (TE)
J. Graham (TE, past his prime)
Josh Gordon (a few games)
Russ threw the ball to mostly nobodies and had high-level success.
The fans who know his FULL history and understand football know what happened in Denver and know that he should be QB1 in Pittsburgh.
JF’s sack% is always higher than Russ’s. JF’s backups in Chicago were sacked at a 6.6% rate while he was sacked at a 12.6% rate while playing behind the same O-Line.
In 2023, Russ’s runs resulted in 1st downs 47% of the time, while JF’s only reached first downs 37% of the time. This year, JF’s 1st-down% is 29%.
Furthermore, Russ and JF were not far apart on YPA, with Russ and JF separated by about 0.5 YPA.
Russ, who appeared in 15 games in 2023 and had almost zero designed runs, finished 8th in QB rush yards last season, barely behind #7 Patrick Mahomes, who played in all 17 games and had 3+ designed runs per game, an average of about 1 per quarter.
Russ can still rush for 400-550 yards. Combined with his passing ability, that’s better than 1,000 rush yards and lousy passing any day of the week.
And people need to quit talking like Russ didn’t have his own h3ll in Denver! Not only did his team suck, especially the O-Line and WRs, but he had a coach hating on him, trying to provoke him into an altercation so they could void his contract, and basically not even coaching him.
Sean Payton has never treated a player the way he treated Russ.
Here are Russ’s 2023 rankings with a coach sabotaging him by keeping the playbook closed, no run game, ONE reliable receiver, an inconsistent at best O-Line, and a horrible defense:
#1 in 4th Qtr comebacks (4)
#1 in Game-Winning Drives (4)
#2 in Adj. Completion Rate (78.8%)
#2 in TD% (5.9)
#4 in Completion Differentials
#5 in TD-INT Ratio (26:8)
#7 in Passer Rating (98.0)
#8 in QB Rushing Yards (341, 15 games)
#9 in TDs (26)
#9 in INT Rate (1.8)
#10 in INTs (8)
#11 in Completion% (66.4%)
According to Sports Info Solutions (SIS), Russ completed 6 passes of 40+ air yards past the original LoS (for 301 yards), good for #1 in the NFL. 4 of those 6 went for TDs. The 2 that didn’t were drops by his WRs. He attempted 16 such passes, 10 of which were deemed on target and none of which resulted in an INT…0 INTs!
What they supposed to say ? He looks like crap . Cmon man . That’s not going to happen
Who? Russ? If the players are chattering about him, bank on it. If they thought Russ was playing poorly in practice, they would just emphasize how good they think JF is.
Raiders will rip up the Steelers. As I said before this season started, Steelers will struggle to get past 5 wins, even if they get more, it will still be a losing season. 😢
They are just a couple of plays from being 5-0 right now, so I’ll take your bet all day long and double your money, especially if Russ plays.
Listen, we know you are in love with Justin Fields. Him having a great game against the Raiders doesn’t mean shit. It just means he plays well against average teams. Justin Fields is not winning you a Super Bowl. You brought Russell Wilson to town to get you to the playoffs and give you a deep run in the playoffs. Russ is going to open that fence up. You’re not gonna see stacked boxes out of fear that Russ is gonna throw the ball over the top on them way more accurate knows how to call a team when they’re up against it and it’s gonna be a better quarterback than Justin Fields ever will be even at the age of 35 we get it you guys are in love with athleticism. What’s that done for the Steelers lately? Justin Fields is the same average inaccurate quarterback. He was in Chicago. All he’s done is cut down on the turnovers because they’ve done down the office limited what he does because he doesn’t know what to do when they let them do anything.
JF’s sack% is always higher than Russ’s. JF’s backups in Chicago were sacked at a 6.6% rate while he was sacked at a 12.6% rate while playing behind the same O-Line.
In 2023, Russ’s runs resulted in 1st downs 47% of the time, while JF’s only reached first downs 37% of the time. This year, JF’s 1st-down% is 29%.
Furthermore, Russ and JF were not far apart on YPA, with Russ and JF separated by about 0.5 YPA.
Russ, who appeared in 15 games in 2023 and had almost zero designed runs, finished 8th in QB rush yards last season, barely behind #7 Patrick Mahomes, who played in all 17 games and had 3+ designed runs per game, an average of about 1 per quarter.
Russ can still rush for 400-550 yards. Combined with his passing ability, that’s better than 1,000 rush yards and lousy passing any day of the week.
And people need to quit talking like Russ didn’t have his own h3ll in Denver! Not only did his team suck, especially the O-Line and WRs, but he had a coach hating on him, trying to provoke him into an altercation so they could void his contract, and basically not even coaching him.
Sean Payton has never treated a player the way he treated Russ.