The increased crit rate is honestly the thing that bothers me the most in this Pokémon. Been dealing with it mostly by Intimidating, and getting Ivy Cudgel to crit is a bummer.
Let's also not forget 3 of the 4 masks works even better in weather, Water mask in rain can now do more damage, Rock mask in sandstorm now has both a +1 def boosts from tera and the sandstorm sp.def increase, and then Fire mask in sun just nukes whatever in front of her
@socialistrepublicofvietnam1500 yeah fire mask just did insane damage, while I understand why that form needed to be banned i do miss it as that was my favorite one to use Literally just zacian crowned lite
I don’t know how relevant this is in VGC, but I believe you forgot to mention that Ivy Cudgel is a non-contact move, so you get to ignore things like rocky helmet, rough skin, poison point, static, and flame body
This was so annoying in OU. If you U turnd one of the ogerpons and they lived with an ounce of health, you can't try to Rocky helmet or garchomp it with rough skin. You either have to have priority (which there isn't much of) or bring in a scarfer, which wouldn't work if it was teal mask or if it already set up trailblaze
Imagine if they gave Mycellium Might to Toedscruel to avoid having a 100 Speed Spore user only to release a 110 Speed Spore user that can increase it's own speed permanently via it's ability not even a year later. Personally I would have considered that peak trolling
Tinkaton is a nice support with access to some decent damage, if tinkaton could be an actual hard hitting dps it would be so bad considering they have one of the best moves in the game along with the best typing, it would just be zacian part 2
@sakaita2557 Honestly, I wouldn't be so salty about Tinkaton not being that great if not for the blatant brokenness of pokemon around her. I respected the fact that GF made the conscious effort to balance the Fairy/Steel type with a 160BP move with little drawback. Then they made Blood Moon.
Ogrepon’s attack stat is Base 120 not 110. Upon initial stat reveal at 2:42 both Attack and Speed are listed as 110 but the Attack bar is longer and a darker shade of green.
I really love when they add busted Pokémon like this. Yeah she’s totally cracked, but there’s so much variety in the way you can play with ogerpon. It’s not just “put it on your team or you won’t win” there’s some choice there when choosing things like her mask/typing
I like that it’s not like urshifu too where one form tends to rule the respective meta it’s in. ie: Single strike for most of SWSH and then rapid strike so far in gen 9. Firepon and waterpon both will see solid amounts of usage, especially since they can counter each other somewhat. While both urshifu forms never seem to be popular at the same time.
I agree. I'm not super in depth with competitive but even I get sick of seeing pretty much the same lando and urshifu doing the same thing. At least Orgepon is different and unique it can be intresting and custom to many teams.
@@finnsnow2495 landorous was exactly what I was thinking of. Busted Pokémon with variety and a high skill ceiling really just makes things so much more interesting.
@skurleton Honestly the old broken pokemonbhabe pretty much dominated over new ones. But my point was Orgepon is such a unique Pokemon not can be used so many ways and build very differently for each team. Like Wolf said it's like four different Pokemon that can be offense or support. It's just a bit more engaging then the same lando and the same urshifu.
It makes sense that Ogerpon is so powerful, she canonically KILLED the loyal 3, who resist and are super effective against grass, with only the Teal Mask Edit: AND put Pecharunt into a COMA, she won a 1v4 and it wasnt even close
@@twerg45 her friend was Carmines and Kierans ancestor who we where told survived and tried to tell the village what really happened with nobody believing him until he gave up on it
@@tomfoolery9182 no, the siblings' ancestor was the blacksmith who made the masks for Ogerpon and her friend, though it's not explicit whether the friend died.
Seeing how strong Ogerpon is makes me wonder how powerful Terapagos will be when the Indigo Disk releases. Edit Update: as of 12/16/2023, Terapagos just got unanimously banned from Smogon OU. I can't wait to see this Terastal Turtle terrorize VCG if it's ever allowed.
Terapagos is probably the Calyrex equivalent of this DLC. Chances are it'll be a restricted pokemon and only available when other legendaries like Kyogre and Zacian are allowed in the format.
@@affinitycrafts1068well the video is kinda about vgc and I’m pretty sure kart is the only one there that had much of a vgc impact, but yeah they all did good in singles, and will likely continue to
Pretty sure Ogerpon is exactly the type of Pokemon to have that move since it's whole life it wanted Attention. Half of the story in Teal Mask was about Ogerpon wanting to be followed and seen.
Maybe I’m wrong but it feels like Ogerpon will be the new Lando T rather than the new zacian. Just very splashable and needs to be considered rather than an overwhelming threat your whole team has to be built around.
Zacian was very splashable too, the biggest differenze Is that ogerpon Is customizable to the point It Is not necessarely a huge offensive threat, but It May be a bulky Pokémon with support and offensive capabilifies
Ogerpon is _easily_ the *most* customizable Pokémon to have been introduced, and I honestly love that for it (even if I hate how broken it is). Maybe it would've been better for it's stats to not have been as insane but still useable?
Okay, sure they're not *that* crazy, but it's in the perfect place both offensively and defensively and with everything else on top of it, Ogerpon ends up being really strong.
To people saying its stats aren’t insane, you have to remember that its stats are actually higher than shown due to it being able to access boosts so easily. It gets a free 20% increase in damage for 3/4 forms, so its attack stat is really like 130 for those forms. And it can further boost relevant stats by terastallizing, which also boosts stab damage further. Not to mention it has increased crit rate on a 100 bp 100% accurate move that always has terra boosted stab. So its stats actually are insane, you just can’t see it, and there are some (incredibly tame) conditions you have to fulfill.
On one hand maybe, but technically PS/PV made every pokemon insanely customizable with tera type, which ogrepon can't make full use of because of being fixed to only 4 tera types all which basically limits them to a specific combination.
It's amazing how this is basically the first pokemon where every single choice, every step of the way, every little decision you make about this mon leaves some other possibility on the table.
While I agree that Orgepon is too strong, I do really like the concept of having Legendary Pokemon a high skill-ceiling, forcing players to play smart when using the Pokemon at highest potential vs non-Legendary Pokemon where not as strong but easier to use by most people. Kinda wish they did this with all Legendary Pokemon tbh since it made sense to me that they would be harder to use due to how strong they are compared to non-Legendary Pokemon.
I love the little animation of your illustrations in this video. It feels as if im watching a battle simulation what if scenatio as the abilities, moves and types were being explained.
Fun fact- Jolly Tera Grass Ogrepon under tailwind has 700 Speed. Ivy Cudgel also has increased crit rate. It one shot most fluttermane variants BEFORE the swords dance as well, and one shot almost any bulky non-resist after. And don't forget, try to focus it and she might Spiky Shield :D
The stone mask could be useful in sandstorm. The boost of spdef is nice, the boost in def when tera synergizes well with it. Paired with something like Hippodown who checks steel types and can yawn while Ogerpon uses follow me, it could be interesting
At least you get to see which type it is in team preview. This also tells you the item for 3 of the 4 types. Meanwhile, Urshifu typing is still unknown in team preview despite it being the most oppressive mon in the game with being unable to protect in front of it
@@Mut-ant Counterpoint: The point is that the weather and the Tera boost help with the bulk and Grass/Rock is a pretty dang terrific offensive type. The two types cover one another very well, with only Steel resisting both and many types problematic for one of the types being hit super-effectively with the other (Ice, Fire, Flying and Bug kill Grass, but are killed by Rock, while Water and Ground kill Rock, but are killed by Grass) and considering Ogerpon is already more of an attacker than a defender, that's all the better for her. Especially with her wielding a 100/100 Rock attack with high crit chance and getting a 20% power boost from the mask.
Ogernpon is so damn cute and also with how cute it is in the story I think everyone SHOULD be using it in competitive! It deserves to be used by everyone :3
They kind of overdid how powerful they made Ogerpon, but her customization makes her super interesting. I would love to see similar innovative ideas for future Pokémon.
I honestly have been having quite a lot of success bringing Goodra against Ogerpon. Sap Sipper with tera water basically means that its common sets can't do anything to me.
Welp, then it's time for swords dance + giga impact to counter that. Even with a strong counter, it has such a good movepool that it can prepare for niche counters like goodra
@@loadingname4947 the main thing I like about Goodra isn't necessarily trying to KO with it, it's to disrupt. It recently got Scald and Knock Off in the DLC, which the Hisuian variant doesn't get. Between those and feint I can open opportunities to cripple the foundations of teams while my partners take advantage of the openings. But aside from that, Ogerpon needs either Follow Me or Spiky Shield based on what the form is trying to accomplish and at least two coverage moves. Sap Sipper alone helps a lot because Ogerpon loses its healing option against me and even if they use Mold Breaker it's not going to hit hard enough to be worthwhile. If you bring a third attack you either lost a set up move, you lost protection, or you gave up one of its STABs. It's not very likely that Ogerpon is gonna run something other than Ivy Cudgel and it's secondary Stab (usually Horn leech.)
With the introduction of such a competitively complex pokemon, I'd love to see you go back in time and talk about a pokemon in a past meta that had similar kinds of intricacies like togekiss. One example is how thunderus was adapted into the vgc meta game before and after the introduction of therian and the kinds of innovations that were discovered
“Most moves above 100 BP get a drawback, but not this one” is a sentence I’ve heard in one form or another A LOT in your recent videos. It seems that the trend with new Pokémon they have been throwing that design concept out the window, I guess balance doesn’t sell. But I don’t see why that has to be the case. Love the video Wolfey I’m a huge fan!
If I had a nickel for every time the legendary of the first DLC was broken, I’d have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot, but honestly not surprising that it happened twice.
To be fair, the legendary of every dlc up until now has been broken (as in, the ones you refer to + Calyrex. But then again, if we're talking about just SwSh and SV, so were the box legendaries too...)
I like ogerpon because it's powerful, but it feels fair. It's not like urshifu, fluttermaine, pre nerf zacian, or xernias where you have to build your whole team around it, but it's still a decent threat. It's fun to use and play against.
Before playing the DLC and seeing that Ogerpon had multiple masks, I was definitely scared you would only be able to have just ONE mask (meaning only two forms, base and whatever mask you would choose). I'm glad that you get access to all the masks which makes team building much easier (acting like I'm gonna be doing that). Compared to something like Urshifu where you're locked into one of two forms. Even something like Zacian vs Zamazenta, two different pokemon (obviously) you would most likely have to buy both Sword and Shield to obtain. What I'm trying to say is while a strong Pokemon is locked behind DLC, at least you only need the ONE DLC for multiple forms instead of having to have multiple copies of the same game in order to obtain the different forms.
I personally really like ogerpon. To be honest it doesn't feel that more broken than other powerful stuff like lando-t, hands, urshi, cress and flutter, but I do think it is a really cool pokemon to have in this meta. There will always be pokemon stronger than others and I feel having ogerpon on top is maybe the most fun pokemon that you can have to be the best.
I gave Ogerpon the Band that permanently increases her HP after every battle, and it ended up having 245 HP or something? IDK. Now she can tank 3-4 normal and 2 super effective moves. Later I gave her the band that does the same but for ATK, and subsequently, the one that increases Defense. She is my new main along with my beloved Paganini (Skeledirge). I love watching her run around me when she gets the zoomies.
For the Hisuian Birb raid, I was using my fire Ogerpon, thinking it'd work out purely because I didn't have too many other options. So I trained her up, looked at her surprisingly vast movepool and came up with: Ivy Cudgel, Swords Dance, Focus Energy, Synthesis. Had a friend bring Sunny Day, and went for it. She definitely had some issues with Brave Bird, but I underestimated her power. My gods, the power. He'd put up the shield early because I'd faint from a lucky crit early on (talking like 95% HP remaining), and after three bonks, I'd Tera into Focus Energy, and just crack that bird open. It'd be like two whollops and she broke the shield, one more and the bird was dead. This was made scarier with the fact that my sister was also running Fire-Oger. That thing truly is an ogre. It's a proper monster, that village was right to fear it. The friends brought a Lunging Fortress and a Sunny Day/Reflect/Life Dew Jirachi, for reference. The power is real, the crits are real. That cute little monster is real..... insane.
14:10 It's so funny that this generation gamefreak nerfed entry boosting abilities like intrepid sword to only activate once per battle, then immediately added a pokemon with a similar ability that isn't restricted
You could just use a rapid strike Urshifu set with a muscle band since most of the moves that Urshifu runs are physical for x1.1 power. If you want to use this set in Showdown I have it here: Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Muscle Band Ability: Unseen Fist Tera Type: Water EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe Jolly Nature - Surging Strikes - Close Combat - Protect - Drain Punch I chose Tera water for this example but you can also recommend to use Terra Fighting to boost it's Close Combat and Drain Punch, however I figured Tera Grass also works for a immunity from Amoongus since it can't use Safety Googles. (Note: The spread I use is for a Fast Physical Sweeper, if you want you Urshifu to be more bulky I would recommend to put it's defense in special because most Fairy, Flying, Psychic, and Grass type Pokemon are special attackers.)
This whole video just highlights how cool the design of Ogerpon is. Every form has trade-offs and benefits that make them unique between each form. Of course the Pokemon is busted af and probably the new Zacian but at least we get different flavours this time.
I think comparing abilities and everything on paper between all forms, cornerstone ogerpon seems like the worst but somehow it is so so good; its extremely underrated, it is only resisted by steel, most top tier mon right now take a good hit from it like tornadus or fire ogerpon, sturdy doesnt seem like that good of an ability but it feels pretty good in it, i am using a team with it right now and i have been able to swords dance most of the time because of it, sturdy also comes clutch a lot of the time if you know how to position even against fire ogerpon with a +1 that tries to KO it and you respond with a 100 base rock type move
I honestly love Ogerpon but this is before I learned how broken it was going to be. The story of the dlc makes ogerpon cute in my eyes and thus I wanted to use it cause it has water typing available and I love water types. So when I went to build my team I wanted to use waterpon cause Its water type and cause Oregpon is cute and deserves to be happy
I feel like ogerpon might have kinda been designed with closed team sheets in mind. Like it has all these crazy traits but the tradeoff is it has very few surprises. As soon as they see it your opponent immediately knows its tera type, its ability, and if youre using one of the masks they also know your item
Is it a bit much? Yes, but i still like it, and let's be real for a moment, i'd rather have this as a super overpowered pokemon than ZACIAN GO BRRRR Or Geomancy at it's prime....
Punching Glove most likely. 10% damage boost and makes your punching moves stop being contact. Unseen fist only works on contact moves. You run it on Urshifu in closed teamsheet because people usually won't try to protect on you to begin with. So you get the 10% boost and ignore things like Rocky Helmet for no downside. I know it's just a funny animation, but it's been an interesting niche pick lately.
From a game design standpoint, it makes sense to make the more interesting game pieces more powerful as a way to incentivize competitive players to use it. There’s an argument that players that like these sort of designs don’t need a competitive push in order to engage with it, however I think that a power boost is needed if you want the really competitive players to engage with it. Regardless of if the power boost was needed, Ogerpon seems like a sweet design with a lot of area to explore and a lot of decision trees. Pokémon could use more designs like these. Oh and it’s really cute to boot, which is also a “reason” to make it powerful so that less competitive players don’t feel bad about using it. Not that needed to do that, single player Pokémon isn’t hard enough to justify that but whatever.
An interesting consideration when it comes to counterplay is actually something I’ve tried out before on showdown when thunderus incarnate was dominant in gen 8, prankster attract, since ogrepon is gender locked to female it will have a hard time making a significant impact if it has a 50% chance to waste a turn, and with open team sheets just the threat of prankster attract might make an opponent hesitant to even bring ogrepon into the battle
@@GustavoJua15 I still think the 20% damage and typing would be worth an item slot, but it still would be a "nerf" to the mon. Considering how Gigamax, megas, and zmoves have moved on I'm curious to see if it's as good in a game with another "borrowed power" type gimmick that isn't tera, or if tera is going to be a mainstay in the series
Another thing to consider: with how flexible ogrepon is, it's no longer about how to deal with ogrepon, but how to deal with each variant of ogrepon, as a setup sweeper would require different considerations from a tanky follow me, and etc.
Sturdy is quite fitting for Ogerpon-Cornerstone imo. It allows you to just run max Speed so you can get off a quick Focus Energy and start getting guaranteed crits on everything
Because it does And the difference between 110 and 120 is pretty significant, especially once you start boosting your attack with Swords Dance or Fire Embody Aspect
Ogerpon impressed me with its performance. I thought it stats were pretty mediocre too at first, but it hits hard even as a jolly nature. Still gets outsped sometimes tho /:. Sturdy has come up a lot more often than I would expect. Horn Leech can re-activate it, and because of it, it can take down potential enemy sweepers.
Atleast it has only 110base atk, the ruin Pokemon are even more broken than this with way higher stacking stats and way broken ability. Atleast they prenerfed it with low stats even as a legendary.
Disagree. While Ogrepon is stacked, gen 8 zacian is on a whole another level. It's basically a better Ogerpon with more attack, more speed, better type and movepool perfectly tailored to make it even stronger. Ogerpon is still strong but nowhere close, and most of the issue with it is how versatile it is and how you have to prepare for 20 different sets. Now, once ubers are allowed, now, Calyrex with terastal and Miraidon running over the entire meta will be something to behold xD
How is it too strong I wonder? Maybe the FRECAKIN CROWN THAT SUPEREFFECTIVES EVERYTHING? AND THE FREACKIN 100 BASE POWER ALWAYS STAB POWER BOOST WITH MASK LEGENDARY? I wonder what’s OP about that?
I honestly love this design of Ogerpon. It’s extremely good, so you’re gonna be seeing it anyway, but it’s never gonna be the same Ogerpon each time. For the most part, strong Pokémon like that have little variation but Ogerpon has such variety with movepool and all the masks can do, it’s gonna make it really fun to fight and use
Eh. Ogrepon outspeeds unless it's near max speed with quark drive active, and it one shots Iron Bundle 100% of the time. Even if Bundle's faster, it deals 76.4 - 90.3% with Freeze Dry and then dies instantly. And this is assuming ogrepon doesn't spiky shield while its partner destroys, or sets up tailwind. Most I see bundle doing is making tailwind support more frequent, assuming that doesn't already happen to push it past fluttermane. like, teal mask ogrepon has 700 speed under tailwind, it's absurd.
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This is a common thing :0
You wrote wrong ogerpon atk stat
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Something I'm surprised you didn't mention. Not only does 100 base power ivy cudgel not have a drawback, but it also has increased crit rate.
ITS WHAT?!
@@frankaxe6700 Its basically Stone Edge w better accuracy
The increased crit rate is honestly the thing that bothers me the most in this Pokémon. Been dealing with it mostly by Intimidating, and getting Ivy Cudgel to crit is a bummer.
i didn’t even know that was a thing so it’s ability has like 4 fucking effects in one and it’s signature move does too
It also doesn’t count as a contact move so you ignore things like, rocky helmet, rough skin, poison point, static, and flame body 😅
Let's also not forget 3 of the 4 masks works even better in weather, Water mask in rain can now do more damage, Rock mask in sandstorm now has both a +1 def boosts from tera and the sandstorm sp.def increase, and then Fire mask in sun just nukes whatever in front of her
And all are good in grassy terrain, though you'd be type stacking
@@chrisrozier3123 yeah true but the reason I didn't bring it up because I was differentiating them with how good they are in their respective weather
There is a reason Smogon banned Hearthflame pretty quickly
@socialistrepublicofvietnam1500 yeah fire mask just did insane damage, while I understand why that form needed to be banned i do miss it as that was my favorite one to use
Literally just zacian crowned lite
they need to nerf it so it wont be banned@@mohammadmurie
I don’t know how relevant this is in VGC, but I believe you forgot to mention that Ivy Cudgel is a non-contact move, so you get to ignore things like rocky helmet, rough skin, poison point, static, and flame body
It Is mainly relevant due to other ogerpons using spiky shield
This was so annoying in OU. If you U turnd one of the ogerpons and they lived with an ounce of health, you can't try to Rocky helmet or garchomp it with rough skin. You either have to have priority (which there isn't much of) or bring in a scarfer, which wouldn't work if it was teal mask or if it already set up trailblaze
I'd argue relevancy in rocky helmet as well
We're only just in the part 1 of the DLC yet Ogerpon is already bonking the competitive scene in 4 colors. 💀
4 colors is crazy
Ok
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I can't wait to see what Terapagos will look like now. I smell a Broken Pokemon incoming.
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Ogerpon is one spore away from having every single good grass moves.
no, simply no. gamefreak is still sane not giving this mon spore
We'll settle with sleep powder lol. Just imagine, sleep powder with a speed boost from embody aspect...
ye thank god, also ogerpon redirecting spores is really nice too, finally no more sleep wars
Imagine if they gave Mycellium Might to Toedscruel to avoid having a 100 Speed Spore user only to release a 110 Speed Spore user that can increase it's own speed permanently via it's ability not even a year later.
Personally I would have considered that peak trolling
@@sephikong8323honestly i think toedscruel would've been incredible if they made mycelium might ignore grass immunity to spore/powder
Ogrepon.. The Pokemon that Tinkaton wishes it could be.
Tinkaton stat are just a fk joke from gamefreak
Don't remind me...
Isn't that blood moon
Tinkaton is a nice support with access to some decent damage, if tinkaton could be an actual hard hitting dps it would be so bad considering they have one of the best moves in the game along with the best typing, it would just be zacian part 2
@sakaita2557 Honestly, I wouldn't be so salty about Tinkaton not being that great if not for the blatant brokenness of pokemon around her. I respected the fact that GF made the conscious effort to balance the Fairy/Steel type with a 160BP move with little drawback. Then they made Blood Moon.
Ogrepon’s attack stat is Base 120 not 110. Upon initial stat reveal at 2:42 both Attack and Speed are listed as 110 but the Attack bar is longer and a darker shade of green.
Thanks. First thing I noticed too. Wolfey continues the great content 🙄
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@@ninetailedfox579121 lmao
Honestly 120 Base Attack Stat is very good, Consider Pair with Ivy Cudgel,It can Brutally Beat some threats
I really love when they add busted Pokémon like this. Yeah she’s totally cracked, but there’s so much variety in the way you can play with ogerpon. It’s not just “put it on your team or you won’t win” there’s some choice there when choosing things like her mask/typing
I like that it’s not like urshifu too where one form tends to rule the respective meta it’s in. ie: Single strike for most of SWSH and then rapid strike so far in gen 9. Firepon and waterpon both will see solid amounts of usage, especially since they can counter each other somewhat. While both urshifu forms never seem to be popular at the same time.
I agree. I'm not super in depth with competitive but even I get sick of seeing pretty much the same lando and urshifu doing the same thing. At least Orgepon is different and unique it can be intresting and custom to many teams.
@@finnsnow2495 landorous was exactly what I was thinking of. Busted Pokémon with variety and a high skill ceiling really just makes things so much more interesting.
If I were an opponent I would probably run trick and trade their mask for some stupid item I will hold. Such a dark move that would be
@skurleton Honestly the old broken pokemonbhabe pretty much dominated over new ones. But my point was Orgepon is such a unique Pokemon not can be used so many ways and build very differently for each team. Like Wolf said it's like four different Pokemon that can be offense or support. It's just a bit more engaging then the same lando and the same urshifu.
It makes sense that Ogerpon is so powerful, she canonically KILLED the loyal 3, who resist and are super effective against grass, with only the Teal Mask
Edit: AND put Pecharunt into a COMA, she won a 1v4 and it wasnt even close
Girl was angry she was not taking none of this crap anymore
She had 6 omni boosts out of anger
to be fair they also killed her friend... girl was pissed (implied)
@@twerg45 her friend was Carmines and Kierans ancestor who we where told survived and tried to tell the village what really happened with nobody believing him until he gave up on it
@@tomfoolery9182 no, the siblings' ancestor was the blacksmith who made the masks for Ogerpon and her friend, though it's not explicit whether the friend died.
Seeing how strong Ogerpon is makes me wonder how powerful Terapagos will be when the Indigo Disk releases.
Edit Update: as of 12/16/2023, Terapagos just got unanimously banned from Smogon OU. I can't wait to see this Terastal Turtle terrorize VCG if it's ever allowed.
Ability: when you collect all 5 fins of Terapagos, the opponent loses the game.
all the ruin abilities in one which also has a multiscale effect
@@WhatIsMyPorpoiseExodia?!?!
Sounds like anything goes is calling.
Terapagos is probably the Calyrex equivalent of this DLC. Chances are it'll be a restricted pokemon and only available when other legendaries like Kyogre and Zacian are allowed in the format.
I’m just happy we’ve finally got an offense-oriented busted Grass type. And in such a cute little friend too.
Kartana, shaymin-sky, sceptile and serperior would like a word or three...
@@affinitycrafts1068well the video is kinda about vgc and I’m pretty sure kart is the only one there that had much of a vgc impact, but yeah they all did good in singles, and will likely continue to
@@cameronmyers5716Rillaboom after dlc
i agree. grass always gets shafted so am happy to see this too
Tapu bulu and Virizon are right there
Correction: Ogerpon has 120 attack, not 110
Can't believe Wolfy forgot to mention that ogerpon is so cute the player doesn't want to hurt it with attacks
The real cute charm.
@@Seetiyan Fr
But she’s a cutie patootie
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Undeniably, the most important aspect of Ogerpon is how gorsh darn adorable she is
one of the ugliest Pokémon ever released, lmao
@@ajjohnson7068 what are you smoking man she’s a little gooberton with more bonkitude then you
@@ajjohnson7068 You’re entitled to your (wrong) opinion.
Pretty sure Ogerpon is exactly the type of Pokemon to have that move since it's whole life it wanted Attention. Half of the story in Teal Mask was about Ogerpon wanting to be followed and seen.
Maybe I’m wrong but it feels like Ogerpon will be the new Lando T rather than the new zacian. Just very splashable and needs to be considered rather than an overwhelming threat your whole team has to be built around.
Zacian was very splashable too, the biggest differenze Is that ogerpon Is customizable to the point It Is not necessarely a huge offensive threat, but It May be a bulky Pokémon with support and offensive capabilifies
@@alessandro1885 Easier to think of it as 4 different mons than to think of it as 1.
Ogerpon is _easily_ the *most* customizable Pokémon to have been introduced, and I honestly love that for it (even if I hate how broken it is). Maybe it would've been better for it's stats to not have been as insane but still useable?
Generally it’s stats aren’t that insane though
Well actually you got your wish, its stats are not insane at all but still usable
Okay, sure they're not *that* crazy, but it's in the perfect place both offensively and defensively and with everything else on top of it, Ogerpon ends up being really strong.
To people saying its stats aren’t insane, you have to remember that its stats are actually higher than shown due to it being able to access boosts so easily.
It gets a free 20% increase in damage for 3/4 forms, so its attack stat is really like 130 for those forms. And it can further boost relevant stats by terastallizing, which also boosts stab damage further.
Not to mention it has increased crit rate on a 100 bp 100% accurate move that always has terra boosted stab.
So its stats actually are insane, you just can’t see it, and there are some (incredibly tame) conditions you have to fulfill.
On one hand maybe, but technically PS/PV made every pokemon insanely customizable with tera type, which ogrepon can't make full use of because of being fixed to only 4 tera types all which basically limits them to a specific combination.
I would have liked the ability Rock Head better for its Rock Mask. Wood Hammer with no drawbacks would have been amazing!
this is brilliant! Would’ve definitely made the rock form more viable
I always thought it should have Solid Rock, but Rock Head is way cooler and more fitting for the Mask Pokémon. I like that way more.
Tinkaton trotted so Ogerpon could sprint
Gigaton Hammer bonked so that Blood Moon could *BONK*
Don't put two bad bitches against each other like that, they're girlfriends.
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Microcosm of the full Internet, right here lol
Editing is fantastic, big shoutout to the editors. 👏 great video Wolfey 😄
The sound effects 🤌🤌🤌
There should be a sign in the next few tournaments:
Beware! Ogerbonk ahead
Welp since gen 8 you know the team of your oponent before the battle, so its nor necessary
@@toupr4770That's the joke
It's amazing how this is basically the first pokemon where every single choice, every step of the way, every little decision you make about this mon leaves some other possibility on the table.
While I agree that Orgepon is too strong, I do really like the concept of having Legendary Pokemon a high skill-ceiling, forcing players to play smart when using the Pokemon at highest potential vs non-Legendary Pokemon where not as strong but easier to use by most people.
Kinda wish they did this with all Legendary Pokemon tbh since it made sense to me that they would be harder to use due to how strong they are compared to non-Legendary Pokemon.
I love the little animation of your illustrations in this video. It feels as if im watching a battle simulation what if scenatio as the abilities, moves and types were being explained.
Fun fact- Jolly Tera Grass Ogrepon under tailwind has 700 Speed. Ivy Cudgel also has increased crit rate. It one shot most fluttermane variants BEFORE the swords dance as well, and one shot almost any bulky non-resist after. And don't forget, try to focus it and she might Spiky Shield :D
Ogerpon is such a funny pokemon, glad to see its doing well.
Correction, ogerbonk
yes I too am glad to see power crept pokemon doing well for themselves
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Ogerpon is the power creeper, not the power crept, power crept is the old guys that keep getting worse because of things like Ogerpon
And we thought Urshifu was rage inducing... the water bear shudders at the little mask goblin girl. I absolutely love her.
I didnt even know the masks boosted her damage by 20%
Ogerpon is absolutely amazing, especially in double battle gimmicks
The stone mask could be useful in sandstorm. The boost of spdef is nice, the boost in def when tera synergizes well with it. Paired with something like Hippodown who checks steel types and can yawn while Ogerpon uses follow me, it could be interesting
Doesn't matter, Ogerpon is the cutest legendary ever released 🥺. Protec her
From weird artist.
A cute pokemon must be sent out for extreme warfare against 2 other powerful pokemon.
@@NachoMountDewCatToo late😢
@@rezaalanshari1587 There is nothing we can do.
I think the cutest legendary is definitely marshadow
At least you get to see which type it is in team preview. This also tells you the item for 3 of the 4 types. Meanwhile, Urshifu typing is still unknown in team preview despite it being the most oppressive mon in the game with being unable to protect in front of it
I can imagine Rock Ogrepon would work well in a sand team, since you get a Defense Boost when Tera and a Sp Defense under sand
problem: it is not bulky enough and rock is a terrible defensive type
@@Mut-ant Counterpoint: The point is that the weather and the Tera boost help with the bulk and Grass/Rock is a pretty dang terrific offensive type. The two types cover one another very well, with only Steel resisting both and many types problematic for one of the types being hit super-effectively with the other (Ice, Fire, Flying and Bug kill Grass, but are killed by Rock, while Water and Ground kill Rock, but are killed by Grass) and considering Ogerpon is already more of an attacker than a defender, that's all the better for her. Especially with her wielding a 100/100 Rock attack with high crit chance and getting a 20% power boost from the mask.
Ogernpon is so damn cute and also with how cute it is in the story I think everyone SHOULD be using it in competitive! It deserves to be used by everyone :3
Your knowledge has what led me into develop interest in competitive battling
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@@MatthewWiiI didn’t know that Matt did ESports, let alone Pokémon!
They kind of overdid how powerful they made Ogerpon, but her customization makes her super interesting. I would love to see similar innovative ideas for future Pokémon.
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I honestly have been having quite a lot of success bringing Goodra against Ogerpon. Sap Sipper with tera water basically means that its common sets can't do anything to me.
Welp, then it's time for swords dance + giga impact to counter that. Even with a strong counter, it has such a good movepool that it can prepare for niche counters like goodra
Giga impact? But the thing is with niche counters you'll need niche movesets which will open you up to things you'd normally counter
@@loadingname4947 the main thing I like about Goodra isn't necessarily trying to KO with it, it's to disrupt. It recently got Scald and Knock Off in the DLC, which the Hisuian variant doesn't get. Between those and feint I can open opportunities to cripple the foundations of teams while my partners take advantage of the openings.
But aside from that, Ogerpon needs either Follow Me or Spiky Shield based on what the form is trying to accomplish and at least two coverage moves. Sap Sipper alone helps a lot because Ogerpon loses its healing option against me and even if they use Mold Breaker it's not going to hit hard enough to be worthwhile. If you bring a third attack you either lost a set up move, you lost protection, or you gave up one of its STABs. It's not very likely that Ogerpon is gonna run something other than Ivy Cudgel and it's secondary Stab (usually Horn leech.)
doesn’t ogrepon hearthflame + chien pao/flutter mane completely destroy this? what is goodra’s partner?
That is why the Mold Breaker one is best in my opinion. She stops that Sap Sipper idea if used right.
This video is so well made, props to the editor who did a fantastic job. I loved all the little animations, graphics and sound effects
Ogerpon is what happens when Tinkaton and Chi-Yu have a baby together
With the introduction of such a competitively complex pokemon, I'd love to see you go back in time and talk about a pokemon in a past meta that had similar kinds of intricacies like togekiss. One example is how thunderus was adapted into the vgc meta game before and after the introduction of therian and the kinds of innovations that were discovered
“Most moves above 100 BP get a drawback, but not this one” is a sentence I’ve heard in one form or another A LOT in your recent videos. It seems that the trend with new Pokémon they have been throwing that design concept out the window, I guess balance doesn’t sell. But I don’t see why that has to be the case.
Love the video Wolfey I’m a huge fan!
If I had a nickel for every time the legendary of the first DLC was broken, I’d have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot, but honestly not surprising that it happened twice.
Yet
To be fair, the legendary of every dlc up until now has been broken (as in, the ones you refer to + Calyrex. But then again, if we're talking about just SwSh and SV, so were the box legendaries too...)
the box legends have to be strong but dlc ones are rushed out so they skip the balancing part
I like ogerpon because it's powerful, but it feels fair. It's not like urshifu, fluttermaine, pre nerf zacian, or xernias where you have to build your whole team around it, but it's still a decent threat. It's fun to use and play against.
Before playing the DLC and seeing that Ogerpon had multiple masks, I was definitely scared you would only be able to have just ONE mask (meaning only two forms, base and whatever mask you would choose). I'm glad that you get access to all the masks which makes team building much easier (acting like I'm gonna be doing that). Compared to something like Urshifu where you're locked into one of two forms. Even something like Zacian vs Zamazenta, two different pokemon (obviously) you would most likely have to buy both Sword and Shield to obtain. What I'm trying to say is while a strong Pokemon is locked behind DLC, at least you only need the ONE DLC for multiple forms instead of having to have multiple copies of the same game in order to obtain the different forms.
4:57 exceptttt EARTHQUAKE FOR SOME REASON 😂😂😂
It hits your partner Pokémon too
I personally really like ogerpon. To be honest it doesn't feel that more broken than other powerful stuff like lando-t, hands, urshi, cress and flutter, but I do think it is a really cool pokemon to have in this meta. There will always be pokemon stronger than others and I feel having ogerpon on top is maybe the most fun pokemon that you can have to be the best.
I gave Ogerpon the Band that permanently increases her HP after every battle, and it ended up having 245 HP or something? IDK. Now she can tank 3-4 normal and 2 super effective moves. Later I gave her the band that does the same but for ATK, and subsequently, the one that increases Defense. She is my new main along with my beloved Paganini (Skeledirge). I love watching her run around me when she gets the zoomies.
Local cutie pie makes World Champ go in depth.
For the Hisuian Birb raid, I was using my fire Ogerpon, thinking it'd work out purely because I didn't have too many other options. So I trained her up, looked at her surprisingly vast movepool and came up with:
Ivy Cudgel, Swords Dance, Focus Energy, Synthesis.
Had a friend bring Sunny Day, and went for it. She definitely had some issues with Brave Bird, but I underestimated her power.
My gods, the power. He'd put up the shield early because I'd faint from a lucky crit early on (talking like 95% HP remaining), and after three bonks, I'd Tera into Focus Energy, and just crack that bird open. It'd be like two whollops and she broke the shield, one more and the bird was dead. This was made scarier with the fact that my sister was also running Fire-Oger. That thing truly is an ogre. It's a proper monster, that village was right to fear it. The friends brought a Lunging Fortress and a Sunny Day/Reflect/Life Dew Jirachi, for reference.
The power is real, the crits are real. That cute little monster is real..... insane.
The fire type ogrepon is everything Scovillian wished he was
14:10 It's so funny that this generation gamefreak nerfed entry boosting abilities like intrepid sword to only activate once per battle, then immediately added a pokemon with a similar ability that isn't restricted
She's not only strong, she's cute as heck.
You could just use a rapid strike Urshifu set with a muscle band since most of the moves that Urshifu runs are physical for x1.1 power. If you want to use this set in Showdown I have it here:
Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Muscle Band
Ability: Unseen Fist
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Surging Strikes
- Close Combat
- Protect
- Drain Punch
I chose Tera water for this example but you can also recommend to use Terra Fighting to boost it's Close Combat and Drain Punch, however I figured Tera Grass also works for a immunity from Amoongus since it can't use Safety Googles.
(Note: The spread I use is for a Fast Physical Sweeper, if you want you Urshifu to be more bulky I would recommend to put it's defense in special because most Fairy, Flying, Psychic, and Grass type Pokemon are special attackers.)
This whole video just highlights how cool the design of Ogerpon is. Every form has trade-offs and benefits that make them unique between each form. Of course the Pokemon is busted af and probably the new Zacian but at least we get different flavours this time.
I have officially learned the difference between Middling and Bulky for the first time in Pokémon terms thanks wolf y.
I think comparing abilities and everything on paper between all forms, cornerstone ogerpon seems like the worst but somehow it is so so good; its extremely underrated, it is only resisted by steel, most top tier mon right now take a good hit from it like tornadus or fire ogerpon, sturdy doesnt seem like that good of an ability but it feels pretty good in it, i am using a team with it right now and i have been able to swords dance most of the time because of it, sturdy also comes clutch a lot of the time if you know how to position even against fire ogerpon with a +1 that tries to KO it and you respond with a 100 base rock type move
5:25 *pushes glasses up* technically it doesn't rock unless it's wearing the cornerstone mask
Actually words have different meanings, not all literal🤓
Our favorite Good Girl is doing great for herself
12:26 a little mistake on the display part. Water/Grass Ogerpon stab moves are not resisted by water and dragon but by grass and dragon.
I honestly love Ogerpon but this is before I learned how broken it was going to be. The story of the dlc makes ogerpon cute in my eyes and thus I wanted to use it cause it has water typing available and I love water types. So when I went to build my team I wanted to use waterpon cause Its water type and cause Oregpon is cute and deserves to be happy
Poor, Wolfey. Thumbnail be showing Ogerpon waking up and choosing violence
Still not as format warping as Urshifu
Ogerpon deserves all of the insane power because she is my beloved child and i am proud of her for being so stupidly busted
I feel like ogerpon might have kinda been designed with closed team sheets in mind. Like it has all these crazy traits but the tradeoff is it has very few surprises. As soon as they see it your opponent immediately knows its tera type, its ability, and if youre using one of the masks they also know your item
True, but seeing a train coming doesn't mean you can stop it.
@@maromania7 And there are so many different possible trains!
Bro the sponsorship transition as subtle as a brick
Is it a bit much? Yes, but i still like it, and let's be real for a moment, i'd rather have this as a super overpowered pokemon than ZACIAN GO BRRRR Or Geomancy at it's prime....
Rather this even than lando-T on literally every.... Single... Team..... For years.....
Your editor is working wonders. Great content Wolfey
The only thing that makes me angry is that the rock form has sturdy which completely anti synergistic with the terrastral form boosting defense
Breaking news: Gamefreak adds another fundamentally broken pokemon into scarlet and violet, bonking everyone on the head! In other news, water is wet
2:43 Its attack is actually 120
7:51 On an unrelated note, why is Urshifu not going through protect.
Punching Glove most likely. 10% damage boost and makes your punching moves stop being contact. Unseen fist only works on contact moves. You run it on Urshifu in closed teamsheet because people usually won't try to protect on you to begin with. So you get the 10% boost and ignore things like Rocky Helmet for no downside. I know it's just a funny animation, but it's been an interesting niche pick lately.
From a game design standpoint, it makes sense to make the more interesting game pieces more powerful as a way to incentivize competitive players to use it. There’s an argument that players that like these sort of designs don’t need a competitive push in order to engage with it, however I think that a power boost is needed if you want the really competitive players to engage with it. Regardless of if the power boost was needed, Ogerpon seems like a sweet design with a lot of area to explore and a lot of decision trees. Pokémon could use more designs like these.
Oh and it’s really cute to boot, which is also a “reason” to make it powerful so that less competitive players don’t feel bad about using it. Not that needed to do that, single player Pokémon isn’t hard enough to justify that but whatever.
Me: ogerpon wreck their stuff with fire mask
Ogerpon: ponyo (proceeds to get fire mask banned from blueberry
if archaludon still has stalwart it will be a great/decent anwser to ogerpon
since it will fear the low kick/ superpower
Watching this months later, it’s crazy that the worlds tech ended up being teal mask bullet seed loaded dice to deal with Sash shifu
You made our good girl look evil Wolfey how could you?
An interesting consideration when it comes to counterplay is actually something I’ve tried out before on showdown when thunderus incarnate was dominant in gen 8, prankster attract, since ogrepon is gender locked to female it will have a hard time making a significant impact if it has a 50% chance to waste a turn, and with open team sheets just the threat of prankster attract might make an opponent hesitant to even bring ogrepon into the battle
HOLLY MOLLY.
9:25 thats screech from doors' wisper
I'm very curious to see how Ogrepon is in a game that does not have terastallization
Would basically be Teal Mask Ogrepon that doesn't go Tera
@@GustavoJua15 I still think the 20% damage and typing would be worth an item slot, but it still would be a "nerf" to the mon. Considering how Gigamax, megas, and zmoves have moved on I'm curious to see if it's as good in a game with another "borrowed power" type gimmick that isn't tera, or if tera is going to be a mainstay in the series
Another thing to consider: with how flexible ogrepon is, it's no longer about how to deal with ogrepon, but how to deal with each variant of ogrepon, as a setup sweeper would require different considerations from a tanky follow me, and etc.
I’d be really interested in a video on kommo-o’s return
Sturdy is quite fitting for Ogerpon-Cornerstone imo. It allows you to just run max Speed so you can get off a quick Focus Energy and start getting guaranteed crits on everything
You know with our luck terapogas will end up with a Tera form that’s super effective versus everything
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They remove the feature from Zacian, making his boost happen only the first time he's out, just to give the same thing to the new DLC legend :D
Pretty sure Ogerpon has 120 attack
Yes
Because it does
And the difference between 110 and 120 is pretty significant, especially once you start boosting your attack with Swords Dance or Fire Embody Aspect
Ogerpon impressed me with its performance. I thought it stats were pretty mediocre too at first, but it hits hard even as a jolly nature. Still gets outsped sometimes tho /:. Sturdy has come up a lot more often than I would expect. Horn Leech can re-activate it, and because of it, it can take down potential enemy sweepers.
wolfey i think ogerpon attack is 120
Congratulations to the editor(s), all these videos are super top quality!
Ogerpon is proof that Gamefreak learned nothing from Zacian.
Hey, at least it's not freaking fairy/steel type..... 1% better lmao
@@BusinessSkrub Zacian is way more broken 😂
Atleast it has only 110base atk, the ruin Pokemon are even more broken than this with way higher stacking stats and way broken ability. Atleast they prenerfed it with low stats even as a legendary.
Disagree. While Ogrepon is stacked, gen 8 zacian is on a whole another level. It's basically a better Ogerpon with more attack, more speed, better type and movepool perfectly tailored to make it even stronger.
Ogerpon is still strong but nowhere close, and most of the issue with it is how versatile it is and how you have to prepare for 20 different sets.
Now, once ubers are allowed, now, Calyrex with terastal and Miraidon running over the entire meta will be something to behold xD
Ogerpon has 120 base attack btw.
In sword and shield days I've been using Follow Me defensive blastoise lol, hard to imagine they now give it to legendary
How is it too strong I wonder? Maybe the FRECAKIN CROWN THAT SUPEREFFECTIVES EVERYTHING? AND THE FREACKIN 100 BASE POWER ALWAYS STAB POWER BOOST WITH MASK LEGENDARY? I wonder what’s OP about that?
Did you forget to mention that ivy cudgel is also non contact & has increased crit chance?
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As always, amazing editing to accompany a clear and concise breakdown. Good shit Wolfe!
I honestly love this design of Ogerpon. It’s extremely good, so you’re gonna be seeing it anyway, but it’s never gonna be the same Ogerpon each time. For the most part, strong Pokémon like that have little variation but Ogerpon has such variety with movepool and all the masks can do, it’s gonna make it really fun to fight and use
i think the future delibird could see a come back if grass ogerpon starts running rampant
Eh. Ogrepon outspeeds unless it's near max speed with quark drive active, and it one shots Iron Bundle 100% of the time. Even if Bundle's faster, it deals 76.4 - 90.3% with Freeze Dry and then dies instantly. And this is assuming ogrepon doesn't spiky shield while its partner destroys, or sets up tailwind. Most I see bundle doing is making tailwind support more frequent, assuming that doesn't already happen to push it past fluttermane. like, teal mask ogrepon has 700 speed under tailwind, it's absurd.
I really like where you explain the “bulk tiers”
I like how Wolfe says the DLC “just dropped” like it’s been out for a month at this point 😭
when he was recording the vid it just dropped