I test drove both of these cars and was on the fence. Went with the Audi. In person, the etron looks way better in my opinion and the taycan 4s is actually 30k more because they force you to add all these options or you’ll have to wait over a year for Porsche to make it. For 30k less I got a etron gt with all the options I wanted.
@@snvffxxxas harsh as this sounds, it’s true! Also, he should have waited a year. I’m about to pick up the Taycan Turbo S for the same price as that Audi was last year lol!
Yep, better looking than the Porsche . Despite this guy obviously trashing the Audi , not all of us want to be track junkies. Most want to get somewhere comfortably , easily and in style , so most IMHO would take the Audi to be superior in all these aspects , sorry !
@@gregorygant4242 Pistonheads is a car enthusiasts channel. They primarily focus on handling. For them handling is more important than ride and live ability.
@@gregorygant4242 don't disagree but your opinion will obviously differ from the car enthusiasts at Pistonheads. It is like many reviewers love drifting and oversteer but that is irrelevant to most buyers because no one drifts cars on public roads. Car enthusiast channels generally favor Porsche and BMW over Audi because of the focus on handling and ability to drift and they pay less attention to interior quality and livability which Audi excell at.
12:55 Really crucial point you raised about how manufacturers can distinguish themselves from the others despite effectively using the same EV architecture. Some of us 'boomers' will value an authentic note of a particular piston/rotary engine, some 'boomers' will miss the anticipation lag of a heavily turbocharged engine, but I guess we have to progress with the times. Just wishing Porsche + Toyota the best with their eFuel and hydrogen Corolla racecar development. Great review Dan.
I have a lot of faith that Toyota will deliver with their Hydrogen ICE engine. If any manufacturer is going to buck the trend of EV obsession it’s Toyota
@UnderBridge Rock If you want to risk your life by getting hit by a vehicle with zero safety protection and die as a result of such a ‘small’ impact, then be my guest
@@ollie-t7862 it’s not up to Toyota to buck that trend when the fundamental problem is hydrogen supply. Hydrogen generation is simple but the equipment can fail, leaving owners stuck without a fuel source. This is why Mirai’s are dirt cheap. It uses expensive, scarce fuel.
@@ollie-t7862Hydrogen is a waste of time for cars. It’s too expensive and energy-intensive to produce, it’s difficult to store for long periods of time, and it’s at best 30-40% energy efficiency (like gasoline) compared to 80% efficiency of an electric motor. It’s pushed by fossil fuel companies because they can still make money on it.
I’m a Porsche man, but having seen a few on road now, I think the etron has a better presence. The fact that it also has some buttons in cockpit is also a major plus, as I am tired of all touch functions in many modern cars.
Although I am behind with this one, I am selling my 2 year old M340i XDrive for an EV so was very interested in this review. I have driven both cars and they are different, having been both a Porsche and Audi owner in the past, and my dislike of the Tesla around build quality and handling, the e-tron GT and Taycan are the obvious choices. The Porsche is sharper and more sporty, agreed, the e-Tron GT is more comfortable for daily/everyday driving and although the fashion is moving to more digital screens/hyper screen in the Mercedes’, they are a nightmare to keep clean and I find myself reaching for screen wipes all the time - again, I feel the Audi has the balance right with some good old fashioned buttons. The build quality, next to no difference at all, both premium German quality as you would expect. The ride, again I feel the Audi is slightly more forgiving in our British roads, and as for the tyre noise/wind noise, again I did not note any significant difference, maybe the porsche marginally edges it but both are quieter than a petrol. So at your closing comment, you intimated it may come down to the looks, I agree to a point (although I feel your are very slightly rose tinted glasses with Porsche), I have chosen the RS e-torn GT as there are just so few on the road and with Audi limiting the number built, then they will always have that exclusivity feel. Also on the wrong side of 50 years of age, I appreciate more comfort than a dynamic ride. Roll on September delivery date………
@sstetsiv things I like: the looks, the compliments, the performance (Audi understated), the drive, the comfort. Things I don’t like is Audi service (too slow for a top of the range car (recalls etc.)). Porsche have improved their quality already. However, Audi (and Porche) are about to release a limited edition, 60 only, of an ultra version, 0-60 in 2 seconds - it really does not need it but…… I am tempted.
I have ordered the Audi. I have tried the Porsche, but the Audi looks better and I don't need overall screens. The handling is uncomfortable. And Audi has more assistanse and functionalities., 😊
I think Tesla fans have built up a weirdly fanatical cult of personality around the brand and Musk. I don’t like them personally but I don’t think they are going away anytime soon. Tbf they are still well ahead of the mainstream manufacturers on autonomous driving technology
Rather the iPhone. I mean range wise, charging station wise, autonomous driving (as far as it goes currently), software wise they are market leaders still. Where the long standing car manufacturers will (obviously) have a lead is how to build the other components that make up a car such as suspension, interiors (and quality of interiors). Things you'd expect someone with experience to be better at.
@@danielainger a modified model 3 beat a taycan turbo S on track, germans aren't as good at this is you think. www.google.com/amp/s/electrek.co/2021/04/12/tesla-model-3-modified-unplugged-race-porsche-taycan-turbo-s/amp/
Does anyone understand overboost? Is it purely for launch control (ie from a standstill)? Or is it for any short acceleration scenario? If it’s for launch then it’s irrelevant as how often does anyone engage launch mode?
And if you're in an urban area with a 30mph limit, you shave 0.001sec off your launch, so what's the point other than to boast about your boost. very good point.
Petrol engine turbo cars occasionally have turbo boost (ie vw golf gti clubsport s). Give you a small amount of extra power for maximum of 5s for example on overboost
@@Neil-914 yup but in my experience on petrol cars it’s available at any time. On launch it’s obviously just to help get better stats which bear no meaning in normal use.
Really interesting Video. I tested both cars on German countryroads as well as Autobahn and came to a different conclusion. I drove three different Taycans and all showed vibration noises coming from the back on less than perfect roads. The very stiff suspension in sport mode seemed to overwhelm the quality of the cabin. The Audi felt super solid in comparison. At higher speeds above 180 kilometers per hour the Taycan front seemed to become a bit light which together with the very direct steering made the car dance a bit. Not very comfortable for long range travel. The Audi showed none of that. With the recuperation turned on, the brakes of the Taycan felt a bit synthetic, as the transition from recuperation to actual braking is not as seamless as in the Audi. And last but not least - for the price of a mildly specced Taycan you get the Audi including the excellent 4-wheel-steering, electronic differential, Head Up Display, cooled and massage seats etc. which in the end definitely makes it the better car at a comparable price point. I am going for the e-tron GT !
Sir -- would you recommend adding PTV+ as an option to the 4S? And you mentioned how quiet the car was. Having said this, do you think the option for the additional thermo insulated glass is needed?
Please provide speclist for both cars. Porsche has several options which makes car drive better. If those are lacking in Audi it makes up some of the difference.
Very good work! A solid, on point, describing comparison. If you want German engineering at its best, you don't have to look further than the Taycan. It's a masterpiece. And how they have managed that is beyond my comprehension.
There is no way I would take the Audi over the Porsche. One thing is the finer details of how it drives, as outlined by Dan Prosser here, but the other thing is the Audi's looks. I just can't get around how stupid front ends of electric cars look when they have fake radiator grilles plastered on to them, or this weird two-tone job this Audi has to make it look like it has that huge, ugly radiator grille Audis have had since around 2004. Remember, EVs don't need radiator grilles up front, as there is no big radiator there, so they need to stop basing their design identity around an obsolete exterior feature.
Most balanced, objective and sensible review of both cars here, especially the summary of the Audi, for which is only getting subjective praise for its looks on other channels. Thank you guys.
Thanks for the review. This is the second video I've seen comparing the two cars and you both miss a very important point. Value. The only takeaway I can take is that driving dynamics , road noise and brakes are better on the Taycan. Now a reality check for us mere mortals : An Audi e-tron GT starts at £80k, for that you get leather, electronic dampers , quatrro and POWER with a 0-60 comparable to the 4S. A base Taycan RWD starts at 83k, less power, cloth seats, spring dampers. The fun starts when you try to configure a Porsche with a few options and the price skyrockets. With an open budget, there's no question I'd love to own a Taycan, but in the 80-90k range the Audi value proposition can't be beat. It's a shame no one ever mentions this or carries out a like for like comparison.
Good point. My position right now is to wait it out for a while longer, more of these types of cars will come to market in the next 5 years and I think there will be beter value for money propositions there.
great review Dan, focusing on the driving experience rather than as many do on range. I'm a Porsche man through & through, once I can see the Taycan Cross for real I'll be so tempted to swap from my 991 911!!!!
So, this comparison test was just about how each one drive. No information about features, amenities, what car gives you best value for the money? Electric battery range? This is a video with the classic storytelling for sport cars test, no for four door cars with over 2 tons.
Personally I would pick the Porsche over the Audi, simply becaue of looks. The red colour looks amazing! But I can imagine if you like the Audi looks better you'd go for that one, it's a beautiful car as well!
I'll take that Audi any time any day, most of points in this video will not benefit most people at least in my humble opinion, I'm not gonna be participating to a race or will be qualified to be race driver to own one of these cars, but overall good review.
Not a Fully fair review, The Audi was not spec with the double glazing. A must for any EV to stop noise. The range on the Audi is higher yet you say the Porsche is better range? Both have poor range compared to some however, Audi range is still better than the Porsche. Both cars are nice to look at,
Taycan is the best handling ev and feels the most like a sports car out of any EV on the market. Looks the best too. Extremely futurstic and has the best luxury highest build quality. Audi and tesla are just poor mans evs. Id get a bmw EV over both those brands.
The motoring 'press' bias against Tesla is staggering, mostly rooted I suspect in them not advertising. Is there anyone who hasn't realised yet that motoring 'journalism' is actually just a string of infomercials? Neither of these cars would exist if Tesla hadn't started eating into their market. The Model S is quicker and has more range and storage than either of these - plus its own charging infrastructure. I'm sure the Model 3 is smaller than the Porsche and Audi but the same applies. The handling of the S may not be as good but the M3 Performance certainly is and once the S Plaid variant arrives there will be even fewer excuses to exclude Tesla.
@@Anonym-dx2tp The range is the same as pretty much every other EV. They all lie about getting over 300 miles per charge, only Tesla genuinely delivers that. The Jag is a purpose build from the ground up, EV. It's design is beautiful and forward thinking, making the most of the engineering advantages of an EV. Unlike the Etron which just makes you look like just another Audi wanker. Efficiency wise, it's been around for a while now. When the ipace came out Audi were nowhere with EV, neither were Porsche. You can't really compare the two in terms of efficiency. Next year's EVs will be more efficient than this year's etc etc it's a fast moving technology.
The Taycan is no doubt a sportier car than the e-tron GT. However I find the arguments you used against the Audi very misleading. For spirited driving, the Taycan is for sure the best here but for comfort driving it can't beat the e-tron GT and many reviewers have confirmed this. I'm not even going to mention the price difference. It's all about suspension and steering tuning and you can't have the best of both worlds. Most people are looking for a comfortable cruiser that would take them from point A to point B whatever the road conditions and the e-tron GT fulfills this very well while not feeling like a boat. The ride in the Taycan will be more connected, but will not be as forgiving as in the e-tron GT on tougher road surfaces. I would like motoring journalists to consider reviewing cars for the average consumer and not for themselves as track rats. These vehicles are built for the public road. Not for the track.
Having tested both, I have to disagree. The Taycan's suspension is objectively better by actually being more forgiving, comfortable and silent while also offering more sports capabilities. I thought the e-tron GT would make for a better tourer, but after riding it I can say that in fact it does not.
Great review and interesting the traditional characters from both brands are retained. Audi efficient and a touch cold... and the Porsche polished and full of feel. The end.
Touch-screens are great for adjusting settings and anything else you may do WHILE PARKED. Using touch-screens while driving is downright dangerous to yourself and others on the road - similar to texting while driving! Aside from Apple CarPlay, there is nothing in the Audi requiring the use of a touchscreen while on the move. The tunnel-visioned Porsche engineers seem to have tossed all their common sense out the window when designing the “space age” Taycan cockpit. Buy the Audi and live longer!
Feels like you went in with a bias toward the Porsche and confirmed your bias in the review. While you made some relevant points, I disagree with how far apart you think these cars are. The Audi handles extremely well, Porsches are always more fun to drive no doubt but we’re splitting hairs here. In terms of bang for your buck the Audi wins hands down, both cars similarly spec’d in the US is about a $25-30k difference . I love my Porsches but not by that much. The Audi also looks better , I know that’s subjective but it’s a widely held sentiment.
Pity no manufacturer makes a nice looking electric sports saloon that is reasonably priced. All electric cars seem to be full of technology that isn't needed and big batteries that will be used two or three times a year for long range drives to make people think they are so futuristic. It would have been nice if Porsche did a lower spec Taycan with physical buttons like the Audi, smaller battery, single motor but still fast as they most probably would sell more. An Audi A4 size platform with 150 to 200 mile range, four seats and a boot would suit most people. You could then offer a saloon coupe as well as a SUV version and estate, same car different body. You could spec options to your hearts content so everyone could enjoy a nice EV. If the UK had reliable charging network then 150 to 200 mile ranges would be fine.
6 foot adult is just ok in the backseat. Trunk + frunk is around 400 litres if I remember correctly. Its not a 5 person family car for long trips, 4 maybe.
I disagree on the brakes on the taycan. You can tell where the Regen stops and brakes start. Plus the brakes are Huge. You don't get real stopping power until half pedel where is where the Regen stops
considering it weighs 2.3 tons the power to weight isn't that far off of a Civic Type-R though they benefit from the torque down low and power ( & drag ) is the only thing that really matters in high speed acceleration, so despite that no lightweight petrol car with the same power/weight ratio will ever beat it.
@@thatcopenguy yes, I know. That's the beauty of motors. Can be a hefty fecker, yet still be launched crazy fast. I just think a level of reality check is required in terms of the crazy power most modern units produce. Will only get more crazy as battery density increases. Only thing missing for me is the "soul" aspect of an EV. Nothing like the sound of a 6cyl to 12cyl unit.
@@phildunn1983 a modified model 3 beat a turbo S on a track race, the M3 is 500HP, the turbo s is 650HP+100HP during launch. But the M3 weighs 20% less.
The brother is debating between both but might buy neither and simply wait because the technology is moving at such a frantic pace these two with their realistically 200 mile range will be classed as very poor in 1 or 2 years and will greatly affect their resale value despite the fact they are both super impressive in so many other ways. Electric cars will only win over the masses when range and charging reach a point where all journeys aren’t a concern and need planing which unfortunately is the case with most long ones at the moment.
The 4S gets over 300 miles range with Performance battery + if needed. I have driven now 2 weeks with mixed driving but quite a lot of fast driving and I get 420 km range now. It will increase when I do my first longer trip.
This is where I’m at. It feels like the wrong time to make a big investment in either camp (petrol or electric). I keep eyeing up the new M3 (touring when it arrives), used M5s or these two electrics. In the end, I think it will pay to wait 18 months and see how the market is evolving.
God. You get in high end car to avoid screens & enjoy the moment. I fucking hate this trend of eliminating physical buttons & as with all vehicles ever made it will date these cars terribly.
This is literally exactly what people said when phones with screens were coming out. Get over yourself, it's just the automotive world catching up with modern technology. By the time screens completely take over, most cars will be doing most the driving anyway.
@@NormanGaming196 I suppose the difference is that when your finger blasting your tablet at home you won’t be smashing into the car beside you. I just watched a review of the new golf & the reviewer was trying to drive while switching driving modes & the entertainment screen through the menu system & it was hilarious. You might as well have a pint of beer in between your legs, a smoke in one hand & a cheese burger in the other.
All elementary for most people, because in reality, how many can afford a £100K vehicle?! Okay, so business owners can offset the cost for taxation purposes, but for most private buyers, ownership is all really just pie in the sky.
Interesting review, but I think you completely missed the point with these vehicles. The Audi and Porsche are price thousands of dollars apart with the Porsche being the most expensive and with the most engineering and refinement as compared to the Audi. They are "brothers" as you put it, but each was designed to a price point and therefore should be ultimately judged with other vehicles in a similar class and price, if there are any comparables at this time. If one could comfortably afford the price of the Taycan, why would the Audi even be considered. Bottom line is the the Audi is a fine / great machine for what it is and does and didn't deserve your soft, Porsche biased assessment, because it isn't quite as good as the Taycan. There's no way that VW would allow the Audi to be as good as the Taycan. I'm quite content with my MK7 GTI for the moment and have no plans for the Audi or Porsche, LOL!! Peace.
More like Taycan't. It has lost three rounds to Tesla Model 3's no less in the 2021 All JAPAN EV-GP Series. Goes about 12.9 miles then loses power. Came in 8th behind 7 Tesla's in the 3rd race, one was a model Y I think. Porsche looks great in the classic Gulf Blue and Orange livery.
A certain Jethro B said he preferred the Polestar over the Taycan. Can you give us a head-to-head? Oh, and just to be clear - if I want to swap my Giulia QV for an EV with similar performance and interior space, it will weigh half a tonne more and cost half as much again, right? Why the #@&§ would I want to do that?
Isn't the GT a GT? Journo's shouldn't be afeared of reviewing cars on what they say they are. Saying it's more 'comfortable' might not pander to who you think your perceived audience are but long run it might show more journalistic integrity. Not saying the review wasn't good but you seemed stack the cards in the Porsches court by reviewing them both as out and out sports cars. Long term reviews are the money for comparos but I understand it wouldn't fit into the format so well. Just my tuppence.
Overhead pillars beginning to fall in press usage? No thanks! Oh, and why in gods name are you tracking an electrical vehicle that weighs merely ~2 tons. Get a used sports car for allot cheaper, and get triple the fun.
"The Porsche is better in every meaningful way but, if you like the look of the Audi, it's reason enough to buy one" ...hmm... OK chief, if you say so! 🤔
sorry but you keep saying the best electric car you can buy, what about Tesla?? More range, less money, faster. This whole video seemed like a paid VAG group advert, I was bored to the bones with your monotonous mannerism.
The E-Tron GT, the poor mans Taycan is a great car for those who can not quite afford the Porsche. The only annoying thing is everyone else will also know that 😂🤣
It’s not really that much cheaper, plus the Taycan comes in a lower trim spec and when you’re driving down the road nobody will know the difference. The poor man’s Taycan is the base Taycan (aka the slowest one)
So the Audi got spanked by the Porsche in just about every category - no real surprise. I have been completely blown away by my Taycan Cross Turismo - even better than the saloon - it is an amazing car. And i was a sceptic....
I test drove both of these cars and was on the fence. Went with the Audi. In person, the etron looks way better in my opinion and the taycan 4s is actually 30k more because they force you to add all these options or you’ll have to wait over a year for Porsche to make it. For 30k less I got a etron gt with all the options I wanted.
the 30k more are for the prestige, the Audi is not a Porsche offcourse.
@@snvffxxxas harsh as this sounds, it’s true! Also, he should have waited a year. I’m about to pick up the Taycan Turbo S for the same price as that Audi was last year lol!
Damn, that Audi looks very, very good
Yep, better looking than the Porsche .
Despite this guy obviously trashing the Audi , not all of us want to be track junkies.
Most want to get somewhere comfortably , easily and in style , so most IMHO would take the Audi to be superior in all these aspects , sorry !
@@gregorygant4242 Pistonheads is a car enthusiasts channel. They primarily focus on handling. For them handling is more important than ride and live ability.
@@almac9203 As I said ,most of us aren't track enthusiasts so the Audi ticks all the boxes of ,looks, comfort,ride quality, quality build ,so yeah!
@@gregorygant4242 don't disagree but your opinion will obviously differ from the car enthusiasts at Pistonheads. It is like many reviewers love drifting and oversteer but that is irrelevant to most buyers because no one drifts cars on public roads. Car enthusiast channels generally favor Porsche and BMW over Audi because of the focus on handling and ability to drift and they pay less attention to interior quality and livability which Audi excell at.
@@almac9203 Ok, sure,I can understand that !
I glad to hear these two cars from the same grandparents are different. Porsche is sporty and Audi is more grand touring. I love them both!
I'm on the fence between these 2. Only video comparing
Great work
You can’t go wrong with either. They’re both awesome. The combustion engine is fast becoming obsolete.
12:55 Really crucial point you raised about how manufacturers can distinguish themselves from the others despite effectively using the same EV architecture. Some of us 'boomers' will value an authentic note of a particular piston/rotary engine, some 'boomers' will miss the anticipation lag of a heavily turbocharged engine, but I guess we have to progress with the times. Just wishing Porsche + Toyota the best with their eFuel and hydrogen Corolla racecar development. Great review Dan.
I have a lot of faith that Toyota will deliver with their Hydrogen ICE engine. If any manufacturer is going to buck the trend of EV obsession it’s Toyota
@@ollie-t7862 Fingers crossed Ollie🤞We know how much of a petrolhead the CEO of Toyota, Mr Akio Toyoda is.
@UnderBridge Rock If you want to risk your life by getting hit by a vehicle with zero safety protection and die as a result of such a ‘small’ impact, then be my guest
@@ollie-t7862 it’s not up to Toyota to buck that trend when the fundamental problem is hydrogen supply. Hydrogen generation is simple but the equipment can fail, leaving owners stuck without a fuel source. This is why Mirai’s are dirt cheap. It uses expensive, scarce fuel.
@@ollie-t7862Hydrogen is a waste of time for cars. It’s too expensive and energy-intensive to produce, it’s difficult to store for long periods of time, and it’s at best 30-40% energy efficiency (like gasoline) compared to 80% efficiency of an electric motor.
It’s pushed by fossil fuel companies because they can still make money on it.
Loved the way your finger kept creeping onto the paddle behind the steering wheel on the Audi 😂
I’m a Porsche man, but having seen a few on road now, I think the etron has a better presence. The fact that it also has some buttons in cockpit is also a major plus, as I am tired of all touch functions in many modern cars.
you can explain so good how a car feels!
thanks
Although I am behind with this one, I am selling my 2 year old M340i XDrive for an EV so was very interested in this review. I have driven both cars and they are different, having been both a Porsche and Audi owner in the past, and my dislike of the Tesla around build quality and handling, the e-tron GT and Taycan are the obvious choices. The Porsche is sharper and more sporty, agreed, the e-Tron GT is more comfortable for daily/everyday driving and although the fashion is moving to more digital screens/hyper screen in the Mercedes’, they are a nightmare to keep clean and I find myself reaching for screen wipes all the time - again, I feel the Audi has the balance right with some good old fashioned buttons. The build quality, next to no difference at all, both premium German quality as you would expect. The ride, again I feel the Audi is slightly more forgiving in our British roads, and as for the tyre noise/wind noise, again I did not note any significant difference, maybe the porsche marginally edges it but both are quieter than a petrol. So at your closing comment, you intimated it may come down to the looks, I agree to a point (although I feel your are very slightly rose tinted glasses with Porsche), I have chosen the RS e-torn GT as there are just so few on the road and with Audi limiting the number built, then they will always have that exclusivity feel. Also on the wrong side of 50 years of age, I appreciate more comfort than a dynamic ride. Roll on September delivery date………
@sstetsiv things I like: the looks, the compliments, the performance (Audi understated), the drive, the comfort.
Things I don’t like is Audi service (too slow for a top of the range car (recalls etc.)).
Porsche have improved their quality already. However, Audi (and Porche) are about to release a limited edition, 60 only, of an ultra version, 0-60 in 2 seconds - it really does not need it but…… I am tempted.
Same banana but I'd still prefer the cleaner look of 4S
I have ordered the Audi. I have tried the Porsche, but the Audi looks better and I don't need overall screens. The handling is uncomfortable. And Audi has more assistanse and functionalities., 😊
Audi looks more of a character in itself. More sophisticated. Period.
At this stage Tesla is looking like the Nokia of the ev world
I think Tesla fans have built up a weirdly fanatical cult of personality around the brand and Musk. I don’t like them personally but I don’t think they are going away anytime soon. Tbf they are still well ahead of the mainstream manufacturers on autonomous driving technology
The Germans where always gonna catch up and take the EV up to another level over Tesla.
Rather the iPhone. I mean range wise, charging station wise, autonomous driving (as far as it goes currently), software wise they are market leaders still.
Where the long standing car manufacturers will (obviously) have a lead is how to build the other components that make up a car such as suspension, interiors (and quality of interiors). Things you'd expect someone with experience to be better at.
@@danielainger a modified model 3 beat a taycan turbo S on track, germans aren't as good at this is you think. www.google.com/amp/s/electrek.co/2021/04/12/tesla-model-3-modified-unplugged-race-porsche-taycan-turbo-s/amp/
@@miguellopez3392 Yep “Modified”
Does anyone understand overboost? Is it purely for launch control (ie from a standstill)? Or is it for any short acceleration scenario? If it’s for launch then it’s irrelevant as how often does anyone engage launch mode?
And if you're in an urban area with a 30mph limit, you shave 0.001sec off your launch, so what's the point other than to boast about your boost. very good point.
Petrol engine turbo cars occasionally have turbo boost (ie vw golf gti clubsport s). Give you a small amount of extra power for maximum of 5s for example on overboost
Its only from a standstill for launch by holding down the brakes and accelerator at the same time.
@@Neil-914 yup but in my experience on petrol cars it’s available at any time. On launch it’s obviously just to help get better stats which bear no meaning in normal use.
Brilliant, intelligent, objective and informative review. Well done (I bought the 4s!)
Solid review Dan
Great Review as usual!
It sounds crazy but I'd get the Porsche for having the Porsche emblem on the hood all day.
Not crazy at all, imo. I'd rather have the prestige of Porsche.
So because you sit lower in the Porsche, it’s got a better seating position?
Thorough analysis of two similar and yet very different cars. Fantastic review.
The best ever made competition EV PORSCHE VS AUDI!!! Respect to Dan from Ukraine!!!! BUT FOR ME AUDI
I just ordered the etron gt…….because there’s a 2 year wait on the Taycan and 22 weeks on the Audi!! I guess I’ll go for the Taycan next time!
Green band on the Audi reg plate, whats is that about? I'd take the Porsche in estate form I think but like the fact that Audi has more buttons.
The green band is a specific type of number plate reserved for electric vehicles in the UK.
Really interesting Video. I tested both cars on German countryroads as well as Autobahn and came to a different conclusion. I drove three different Taycans and all showed vibration noises coming from the back on less than perfect roads. The very stiff suspension in sport mode seemed to overwhelm the quality of the cabin. The Audi felt super solid in comparison. At higher speeds above 180 kilometers per hour the Taycan front seemed to become a bit light which together with the very direct steering made the car dance a bit. Not very comfortable for long range travel. The Audi showed none of that. With the recuperation turned on, the brakes of the Taycan felt a bit synthetic, as the transition from recuperation to actual braking is not as seamless as in the Audi. And last but not least - for the price of a mildly specced Taycan you get the Audi including the excellent 4-wheel-steering, electronic differential, Head Up Display, cooled and massage seats etc. which in the end definitely makes it the better car at a comparable price point. I am going for the e-tron GT !
Yes I agree with all your points and I road tested a taycan and also then bought an RS GT which is probably the best car I have ever driven.
Sir -- would you recommend adding PTV+ as an option to the 4S? And you mentioned how quiet the car was. Having said this, do you think the option for the additional thermo insulated glass is needed?
Please provide speclist for both cars. Porsche has several options which makes car drive better. If those are lacking in Audi it makes up some of the difference.
Your presenting is even better with your new lightness and expressiveness thanks 🙏
Very good work! A solid, on point, describing comparison. If you want German engineering at its best, you don't have to look further than the Taycan. It's a masterpiece. And how they have managed that is beyond my comprehension.
There is no way I would take the Audi over the Porsche.
One thing is the finer details of how it drives, as outlined by Dan Prosser here, but the other thing is the Audi's looks. I just can't get around how stupid front ends of electric cars look when they have fake radiator grilles plastered on to them, or this weird two-tone job this Audi has to make it look like it has that huge, ugly radiator grille Audis have had since around 2004. Remember, EVs don't need radiator grilles up front, as there is no big radiator there, so they need to stop basing their design identity around an obsolete exterior feature.
Most balanced, objective and sensible review of both cars here, especially the summary of the Audi, for which is only getting subjective praise for its looks on other channels. Thank you guys.
The Taycan is so close to perfection, the only thing it lacks are: Physical climate controls, that screen is a pain.
Thanks for the review.
This is the second video I've seen comparing the two cars and you both miss a very important point. Value. The only takeaway I can take is that driving dynamics , road noise and brakes are better on the Taycan. Now a reality check for us mere mortals : An Audi e-tron GT starts at £80k, for that you get leather, electronic dampers , quatrro and POWER with a 0-60 comparable to the 4S. A base Taycan RWD starts at 83k, less power, cloth seats, spring dampers. The fun starts when you try to configure a Porsche with a few options and the price skyrockets.
With an open budget, there's no question I'd love to own a Taycan, but in the 80-90k range the Audi value proposition can't be beat. It's a shame no one ever mentions this or carries out a like for like comparison.
Good point. My position right now is to wait it out for a while longer, more of these types of cars will come to market in the next 5 years and I think there will be beter value for money propositions there.
You should add that there are significantly larger discounts in Audis than there are on Porsches.
The Taycan will hold its value way better. You can look at mobile.de, the almost 2 year old Taycans still cost crazy prices. You pay for the quality.
What's the other comparison video?
Not having to deal with a Porsche dealer is also a plus point for the Audi. Although having said that I’ve never tried to buy an Audi...
Audi terrible customer service, Porsche superb👌
@@Modshmockersand bills to match IME
great review Dan, focusing on the driving experience rather than as many do on range. I'm a Porsche man through & through, once I can see the Taycan Cross for real I'll be so tempted to swap from my 991 911!!!!
So, this comparison test was just about how each one drive. No information about features, amenities, what car gives you best value for the money? Electric battery range? This is a video with the classic storytelling for sport cars test, no for four door cars with over 2 tons.
Personally I would pick the Porsche over the Audi, simply becaue of looks. The red colour looks amazing! But I can imagine if you like the Audi looks better you'd go for that one, it's a beautiful car as well!
Both looks good. But the interior of the Taycan definitely edge over the Audi.
I'll take that Audi any time any day, most of points in this video will not benefit most people at least in my humble opinion, I'm not gonna be participating to a race or will be qualified to be race driver to own one of these cars, but overall good review.
Not a Fully fair review,
The Audi was not spec with the double glazing.
A must for any EV to stop noise.
The range on the Audi is higher yet you say the Porsche is better range?
Both have poor range compared to some however, Audi range is still better than the Porsche.
Both cars are nice to look at,
The Taycan 4S has a new WLTP range of 512 km, so I don't know if you can call that poor range. Its mega sufficient for me at least.
Taycan low mileage used is best deal
Just waiting for my slightly used turbo s .. 100k and it was speced to 250k !!
Good to know 😊
Next! .. EV6 vs Ioniq 5 for world's best EV for the masses 😅😅
Somehow I feel like the Hyundai and Kia will be much closer to one another than these two cars...
Where did you guys shoot the video out of curiosity?
Taycan is the best handling ev and feels the most like a sports car out of any EV on the market. Looks the best too. Extremely futurstic and has the best luxury highest build quality. Audi and tesla are just poor mans evs. Id get a bmw EV over both those brands.
The motoring 'press' bias against Tesla is staggering, mostly rooted I suspect in them not advertising. Is there anyone who hasn't realised yet that motoring 'journalism' is actually just a string of infomercials? Neither of these cars would exist if Tesla hadn't started eating into their market. The Model S is quicker and has more range and storage than either of these - plus its own charging infrastructure. I'm sure the Model 3 is smaller than the Porsche and Audi but the same applies. The handling of the S may not be as good but the M3 Performance certainly is and once the S Plaid variant arrives there will be even fewer excuses to exclude Tesla.
Jag I-pace please. Still one of the most innovative EVs, it’s just a shame the motoring press stopped talking about it.
The Range, Efficiency and charging speed/time is rubbish for such an expansive car.
@@Anonym-dx2tp The range is the same as pretty much every other EV. They all lie about getting over 300 miles per charge, only Tesla genuinely delivers that. The Jag is a purpose build from the ground up, EV. It's design is beautiful and forward thinking, making the most of the engineering advantages of an EV. Unlike the Etron which just makes you look like just another Audi wanker. Efficiency wise, it's been around for a while now. When the ipace came out Audi were nowhere with EV, neither were Porsche. You can't really compare the two in terms of efficiency. Next year's EVs will be more efficient than this year's etc etc it's a fast moving technology.
beautiful review. full marks for location and cinematography.
Both are great but the Taycan looks (and is) a way better car....
rally good video!
£98k for thr porche but you fit even get body coloured bumpers?
The Taycan is no doubt a sportier car than the e-tron GT. However I find the arguments you used against the Audi very misleading. For spirited driving, the Taycan is for sure the best here but for comfort driving it can't beat the e-tron GT and many reviewers have confirmed this. I'm not even going to mention the price difference. It's all about suspension and steering tuning and you can't have the best of both worlds. Most people are looking for a comfortable cruiser that would take them from point A to point B whatever the road conditions and the e-tron GT fulfills this very well while not feeling like a boat. The ride in the Taycan will be more connected, but will not be as forgiving as in the e-tron GT on tougher road surfaces. I would like motoring journalists to consider reviewing cars for the average consumer and not for themselves as track rats. These vehicles are built for the public road. Not for the track.
Well said.
Having tested both, I have to disagree. The Taycan's suspension is objectively better by actually being more forgiving, comfortable and silent while also offering more sports capabilities. I thought the e-tron GT would make for a better tourer, but after riding it I can say that in fact it does not.
@@B4Panthr I agree on everything you said.
Make a Drag Race Video of both 🏁
Great review and interesting the traditional characters from both brands are retained. Audi efficient and a touch cold... and the Porsche polished and full of feel. The end.
Great quality content!
Taycan looks better!
Touch-screens are great for adjusting settings and anything else you may do WHILE PARKED. Using touch-screens while driving is downright dangerous to yourself and others on the road - similar to texting while driving! Aside from Apple CarPlay, there is nothing in the Audi requiring the use of a touchscreen while on the move. The tunnel-visioned Porsche engineers seem to have tossed all their common sense out the window when designing the “space age” Taycan cockpit. Buy the Audi and live longer!
Feels like you went in with a bias toward the Porsche and confirmed your bias in the review. While you made some relevant points, I disagree with how far apart you think these cars are.
The Audi handles extremely well, Porsches are always more fun to drive no doubt but we’re splitting hairs here. In terms of bang for your buck the Audi wins hands down, both cars similarly spec’d in the US is about a $25-30k difference . I love my Porsches but not by that much.
The Audi also looks better , I know that’s subjective but it’s a widely held sentiment.
Pity no manufacturer makes a nice looking electric sports saloon that is reasonably priced. All electric cars seem to be full of technology that isn't needed and big batteries that will be used two or three times a year for long range drives to make people think they are so futuristic. It would have been nice if Porsche did a lower spec Taycan with physical buttons like the Audi, smaller battery, single motor but still fast as they most probably would sell more. An Audi A4 size platform with 150 to 200 mile range, four seats and a boot would suit most people. You could then offer a saloon coupe as well as a SUV version and estate, same car different body. You could spec options to your hearts content so everyone could enjoy a nice EV. If the UK had reliable charging network then 150 to 200 mile ranges would be fine.
No rear seat or boot space review?
6 foot adult is just ok in the backseat. Trunk + frunk is around 400 litres if I remember correctly. Its not a 5 person family car for long trips, 4 maybe.
I disagree on the brakes on the taycan. You can tell where the Regen stops and brakes start. Plus the brakes are Huge. You don't get real stopping power until half pedel where is where the Regen stops
Agree 100%. Audi engineers have gotten it right without this somewhat synthetic feeling
Great video
"Doesn't have the crazy power of the turbo S"
It's got 500hp......
considering it weighs 2.3 tons the power to weight isn't that far off of a Civic Type-R
though they benefit from the torque down low and power ( & drag ) is the only thing that really matters in high speed acceleration, so despite that no lightweight petrol car with the same power/weight ratio will ever beat it.
@@thatcopenguy yes, I know. That's the beauty of motors. Can be a hefty fecker, yet still be launched crazy fast. I just think a level of reality check is required in terms of the crazy power most modern units produce.
Will only get more crazy as battery density increases.
Only thing missing for me is the "soul" aspect of an EV. Nothing like the sound of a 6cyl to 12cyl unit.
@@phildunn1983 a modified model 3 beat a turbo S on a track race, the M3 is 500HP, the turbo s is 650HP+100HP during launch. But the M3 weighs 20% less.
@@miguellopez3392 Piss off with spamming the same thing 😑
@@RRSmurf no.
Oh the irony that these two cars are on PISTONHEADS lol
The brother is debating between both but might buy neither and simply wait because the technology is moving at such a frantic pace these two with their realistically 200 mile range will be classed as very poor in 1 or 2 years and will greatly affect their resale value despite the fact they are both super impressive in so many other ways.
Electric cars will only win over the masses when range and charging reach a point where all journeys aren’t a concern and need planing which unfortunately is the case with most long ones at the moment.
The 4S gets over 300 miles range with Performance battery + if needed. I have driven now 2 weeks with mixed driving but quite a lot of fast driving and I get 420 km range now. It will increase when I do my first longer trip.
This is where I’m at. It feels like the wrong time to make a big investment in either camp (petrol or electric). I keep eyeing up the new M3 (touring when it arrives), used M5s or these two electrics. In the end, I think it will pay to wait 18 months and see how the market is evolving.
As good as the Porsche maybe. The looks of the Audi seal the deal for me.
Actually for me it was the contrary. The Taycan looks sooo much better. Classical Porsche. Audi looks.....well Audi.
God. You get in high end car to avoid screens & enjoy the moment. I fucking hate this trend of eliminating physical buttons & as with all vehicles ever made it will date these cars terribly.
Imagine if smart phones still used buttons.
@@miguellopez3392 Imagine if smartphones had wheels.
@@Loopsrainforest that would be even better oh wait that's a tesla.
This is literally exactly what people said when phones with screens were coming out. Get over yourself, it's just the automotive world catching up with modern technology. By the time screens completely take over, most cars will be doing most the driving anyway.
@@NormanGaming196 I suppose the difference is that when your finger blasting your tablet at home you won’t be smashing into the car beside you. I just watched a review of the new golf & the reviewer was trying to drive while switching driving modes & the entertainment screen through the menu system & it was hilarious. You might as well have a pint of beer in between your legs, a smoke in one hand & a cheese burger in the other.
All elementary for most people, because in reality, how many can afford a £100K vehicle?! Okay, so business owners can offset the cost for taxation purposes, but for most private buyers, ownership is all really just pie in the sky.
With Audi’s depreciation I can see these being the car of choice for Taxi drivers in the next few yrs.
Taxi needs to be somewhat reliable and cheap to fix. Audi never even crosses my mind
“Piston heads”
going to have to change the name of the channel to MagnetHeads or CoilHeads or BrushHeads in future
if you could just take the Audi looks and put it onto the Taycan, you would have everything
Dude drove in window's wallpaper 🖼
Are Porsche gonna improve the Taycans range?
do they need to? The Taycan new spec range is 512 km.
Interesting review, but I think you completely missed the point with these vehicles. The Audi and Porsche are price thousands of dollars apart with the Porsche being the most expensive and with the most engineering and refinement as compared to the Audi. They are "brothers" as you put it, but each was designed to a price point and therefore should be ultimately judged with other vehicles in a similar class and price, if there are any comparables at this time. If one could comfortably afford the price of the Taycan, why would the Audi even be considered. Bottom line is the the Audi is a fine / great machine for what it is and does and didn't deserve your soft, Porsche biased assessment, because it isn't quite as good as the Taycan. There's no way that VW would allow the Audi to be as good as the Taycan. I'm quite content with my MK7 GTI for the moment and have no plans for the Audi or Porsche, LOL!! Peace.
More like Taycan't. It has lost three rounds to Tesla Model 3's no less in the 2021 All JAPAN EV-GP Series. Goes about 12.9 miles then loses power. Came in 8th behind 7 Tesla's in the 3rd race, one was a model Y I think. Porsche looks great in the classic Gulf Blue and Orange livery.
what?? You can drag race a Taycan 20 times and still it goes as fast in the first one. Own experience. Try to do that in Tesla 😂
A certain Jethro B said he preferred the Polestar over the Taycan. Can you give us a head-to-head? Oh, and just to be clear - if I want to swap my Giulia QV for an EV with similar performance and interior space, it will weigh half a tonne more and cost half as much again, right? Why the #@&§ would I want to do that?
Interesting. I have a Polestar 2 and would prefer a Taycan 🤣⚡️
Taycan please.
Isn't the GT a GT? Journo's shouldn't be afeared of reviewing cars on what they say they are. Saying it's more 'comfortable' might not pander to who you think your perceived audience are but long run it might show more journalistic integrity. Not saying the review wasn't good but you seemed stack the cards in the Porsches court by reviewing them both as out and out sports cars. Long term reviews are the money for comparos but I understand it wouldn't fit into the format so well. Just my tuppence.
Love the Taycan! But, gonna wait longer until Porsche (VW) implements solid state batteries in their cars. That I believe is the game changer
lmao every battery is a solid state battery now
@@lohithreddy6629 LMAO you don't know what you're talking about
You’re going to be waiting a while then …
A model 3 with a factory stock track package can easily beat a Taycan 4s on the track.
Overhead pillars beginning to fall in press usage? No thanks!
Oh, and why in gods name are you tracking an electrical vehicle that weighs merely ~2 tons.
Get a used sports car for allot cheaper, and get triple the fun.
Imagine an ev car with less grip and skinny tires and rear wheel drive
kinda like the honda e then?
Same company. So?
"The Porsche is better in every meaningful way but, if you like the look of the Audi, it's reason enough to buy one" ...hmm... OK chief, if you say so! 🤔
Audi e-tron vs Audi e-tron
Piston heads? Where are the pistons? 😂
E Tron GT looks better though.
And the winner of worlds best EV goes to the Rimac C2
Nobody spending a million for an EV lol
@@lambullshit7857 production run is sold out
How do you fit your family and 4 golf bags into the Rimac?
@@peterhammer4644 when you can afford a Rimac the wife and kids stay home whilst you tour Europe in the rimac with the 19 year old baby sitter
@@ericpisch2732 why would you want to leave your family home?
No hatchback for my dogs. Give me a Model S.
Both manufacturers do have estate/hatchback versions now - See Taycan Cross Turismo.
Usual loaded Porsche bias
etron GT anytime over that Porsche Jellybean
Taycan is gonna have a hard time with the model s LR and Plaid🤭
Not unless Tesla starts getting the cars built by someone else. The build quality is not even in the same league.
@@Zanpaa You don't know yet
Remember, roads are not just straight lines ... Tesla is a great Electrical Vehicle while Porsche is a great Electrical Car.
@@littlepurpleball6799 look at Laguna seca model s plaid record
@@littlepurpleball6799 model 3 is great electric car, the Porsche taycan is a ok electric sports car.
You're a Porsche fan boy.
I've driven both of these and they are pretty disappointing to drive.
sorry but you keep saying the best electric car you can buy, what about Tesla?? More range, less money, faster. This whole video seemed like a paid VAG group advert, I was bored to the bones with your monotonous mannerism.
The Audi looks better.
Tesla Model S refresh about to come out...going to kick both of these to the curb pretty hard.
Tesla 1
Prefer the Porche
Tay-cer home and ...
The E-Tron GT, the poor mans Taycan is a great car for those who can not quite afford the Porsche.
The only annoying thing is everyone else will also know that 😂🤣
It’s not really that much cheaper, plus the Taycan comes in a lower trim spec and when you’re driving down the road nobody will know the difference. The poor man’s Taycan is the base Taycan (aka the slowest one)
So the Audi got spanked by the Porsche in just about every category - no real surprise. I have been completely blown away by my Taycan Cross Turismo - even better than the saloon - it is an amazing car. And i was a sceptic....