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  • @Drachinifel
    @Drachinifel  Рік тому +34

    Pinned post for Q&A :)

    • @MrSerenitysEnd
      @MrSerenitysEnd Рік тому +6

      Do you think a HSwMS Gotland style cruiser (without the mine laying rails) could've been a good convoy escort for the allies during WW2?
      Edit for clarity:
      Mostly, my question is would a cruiser/floatplane tender like HSwMS Gotland be useful in trade protection during WW2.
      I think there would be a possibility for such a ship to help close the mid Atlantic gap, provide limited air cover for convoys early in the war (when desperately needed), and help patrol low level shipping lanes (Caribbean, Cape of New Hope, Indian Ocean, and none frontline areas of the Pacific.).
      For those who might also be interested in the answer to this question Drach basically answered it in Drydock - Episde 241 (Part 1) timestamp-01:31:23

    • @cringepog2758
      @cringepog2758 Рік тому +3

      would it be possible to do a battle format video for some of the lesser known/smaller battles of naval history as somewhat shorter videoes, the sinking of USS Cooper for example or the attack on USS Bunker Hill

    • @Primarch359
      @Primarch359 Рік тому +3

      I love the tongue in cheek description of this ship as a Battlestars. Are there any other ships that could also have this appellation applied to them? Or is it unique?

    • @ponturak2892
      @ponturak2892 Рік тому +5

      Love to hear more about the swedish ships

    • @bkjeong4302
      @bkjeong4302 Рік тому +3

      You’ve discussed previously that the Shokakus were the IJN’s carrier equivalents to the Yamatos (I. E. Built to outmatch the opposition individually to compensate for the IJN’s limited construction capacity). While the Shokakus did prove to be some of the most effective and useful capital ships of WWII with a good track record for both durability and causing enemy losses, considering that they seem to have been roughly equal with the Yorktowns (both showed good survivability though much of that was down to their crews, the Yorktowns had somewhat larger air wings but the Shokakus were faster, etc), would you argue the Japanese failed to get the “supercarriers” they wanted with the Shokakus?

  • @juicemeister1984
    @juicemeister1984 Рік тому +271

    That aft 6in twin turret was to keep the planes in check with the threat of sudden and instant demolition so as to not rebel against the ship

    • @TheEDFLegacy
      @TheEDFLegacy Рік тому +31

      Those pesky Cylon Seaplanes...

    • @MonkeyJedi99
      @MonkeyJedi99 Рік тому +8

      @@TheEDFLegacy Thanks for the laughs!

    • @bf1701
      @bf1701 Рік тому

      Swedes deal with mutinies exceptionally harshly, it seems!

    • @philhawley1219
      @philhawley1219 Рік тому

      Stupid comment.

    • @llllib
      @llllib Рік тому +8

      You are completely wrong. It's to stop flyboys to try to land on the ship.

  • @johnkieth4537
    @johnkieth4537 Рік тому +4

    Yooooo! Early for a Drach vid on new year's eve

  • @Big_E_Soul_Fragment
    @Big_E_Soul_Fragment Рік тому +121

    Last 5 minute guide of 2022 and more next year
    A happy new year to everyone

  • @CB-fn3me
    @CB-fn3me Рік тому +119

    My dad served onboard HMS Gotland during WWII. She couldn't carry 8 seaplanes. She could carry a maximum of 7 but never carried more than 5.

    • @joaoalbertodosanjosgomes1536
      @joaoalbertodosanjosgomes1536 Рік тому +2

      On board or onboard? I don't know.

    • @panzerivausfg4062
      @panzerivausfg4062 Рік тому +4

      @@joaoalbertodosanjosgomes1536 What's the difference

    • @Joshua-fi4ji
      @Joshua-fi4ji Рік тому +11

      @@panzerivausfg4062 judging by his name, I think he's Portuguese or Brazilian. This suggests that he is probably asking a serious grammar question.
      To answer. Onboard and on board are just 2 words joined together like into and in to they mean the same thing, it just reads/ flows better.

    • @larsdahlen319
      @larsdahlen319 Рік тому +11

      @@Joshua-fi4ji In Swedish "Sammansatta ord" or joined words very common.
      So for s Swede it is natural to write Onboard.
      Just as an info.

    • @panzerivausfg4062
      @panzerivausfg4062 Рік тому +2

      @@Joshua-fi4ji I knew it was the same thing but his question confused me and i thought I knew sth wrong.
      Thanks for the clarification!

  • @Kumimono
    @Kumimono Рік тому +60

    Must be a real identity crisis for the ship, being turned from an Aircraft Cruiser into an Anti-Aircraft Cruiser. :(

    • @korbell1089
      @korbell1089 Рік тому +12

      Captain: "Prepare to recover aircraft."
      XO: "Don't you remember, this week we shoot them down!"😄

    • @grahamstrouse1165
      @grahamstrouse1165 Рік тому +7

      That aft 6” turret doesn’t look like it cares for aircraft very much…😉

    • @oj8868
      @oj8868 Рік тому +4

      Goth carrier

    • @Ragedaonenlonely
      @Ragedaonenlonely Рік тому +2

      @@grahamstrouse1165 Which is fair enough, because it's actually a dual-purpose gun. It could elevate up to a maximum of 60 degrees for firing at aircraft from the start.

  • @Niinsa62
    @Niinsa62 Рік тому +94

    I like it that you mentioned her aircraft being the first ones to spot the German battleship Bismarck going out to sea. So she actually did the job she was designed for, spotting enemy ships and reporting back. In a big way.
    Also, her name is kind of fun. Gotland. That is the large Swedish island in the middle of the Baltic Sea. Often referred to in Sweden as "The unsinkable aircraft carrier HMS Gotland". Because she has a Swedish Air Force base, in a very strategic location. So it is kind of funny that when we actually built an aircraft carrier, or sort of, we named her the HMS Gotland.

    • @Ah01
      @Ah01 Рік тому +4

      Technically Bismarck was not an enemy ship, since Sweden was neutral, even with strong commercial ties and royal sympathy towards the germans. Of course, the intelligence people had strong western connections just like later during the cold war.

    • @majnjord
      @majnjord Рік тому +2

      @@Ah01 Considering the intelligence was knowingly passed on to the British naval attaché in Sweden, and this was in 1941 when Nazi Germany was still steamrolling most European opposition, I find it hard to believe that would have been an insulated act by Swedish intelligence - surely it was government sanctioned, more or less officially.
      The commercial ties were there, sure, but they were also the only ones available after Nazi Germany occupied Denmark and Norway. There's no chance Sweden would've kept from being invaded if we tried to ship iron ore to the Allies through Kattegatt. Royal sympathies hardly had influence on diplomatic relations. The Cold War's intelligance bias towards the west is natural, since the USSR was the only rival state in the Baltic area.

  • @deaks25
    @deaks25 Рік тому +54

    I’ve always thought Gotland is an impressive design; they have squeezed every last bit of capability out of the hull.
    She certainly seems to be a more well-rounded design than the Konigsberg’s which also tried to combine multiple roles and were pretty useless at any of them.

    • @waynesworldofsci-tech
      @waynesworldofsci-tech Рік тому +6

      It was impressive. Against any second line navy in her intended role she would have been an effective platform.

    • @foo219
      @foo219 Рік тому +15

      In Sweden we've had to resign ourselves to the fact we'll never have as many of anything as our potential enemies, so we try to make what we have count.

    • @genericpersonx333
      @genericpersonx333 Рік тому +21

      I would argue the exact opposite, with the Koenigsburgs being entirely competitive vessels for their time and size while the Gotland was competitive in no particular and combined too many conflicting capabilities to the point of being useless at any of them!
      For short-ranged cruisers intended primarily to support mine warfare operations in the near North Sea and Baltic, the Koenigsburgs were plenty capable, being of average speed and firepower for a cruiser of their era while having reasonable protection against destroyer guns, the main threat they faced. If they had a fault, it was that they had structural problems that made hard seas hard on the hulls, requiring more repair and maintenance than normal.
      Gotland, meanwhile, basically couldn't excel at any one of its assigned roles because it crammed far too many dubious aircraft onto a tiny hull without the protection or firepower to matter. The six guns look reasonable on paper, but between the casemates and the inability to fire the rear turrets much of the time for fear of harming aircraft or their facilities, you were looking at just two barrels at most firing arcs. At 27 knots under good conditions, Gotland couldn't come close to the typical speed of the cruisers and destroyers she was most likely to meet in the Baltic and North Sea. The real bane was the lack of protection however, because with basically just splinter protection on a tiny hull packed with ammunition and aviation fuel, she was incapable of taking hits from destroyers or cruisers. Put another way, Koenigsburg, for all her faults, could bring nine guns against Gotland while dictating the range so she could be sure her own protection had a reasonable chance to keep her citadel safe from the Gotland's guns.
      All the while, the very thing that defined Gotland, her aircraft, were basically redundant assets for a ship primary engaged in the Baltic. Land-based aircraft could technically do all the same missions and do them better most of the time. We are not talking the 1920s where aircraft lacked range to get from Stockholm to St. Petersburg. Why Sweden thought it needed seaplane carriers at all for scouting the Baltic and coastal waters of Sweden by 1933 reflects considerable ignorance about what aircraft could do.
      Gotland could have been a small and vicious gun-cruiser, tough and powerful for her tonnage since she didn't need much operational range, but instead, she was shackled with a bunch of planes that didn't offer anything special for the time or place, while being liable to explode into flames if hit by most weapons available to her likely opponents.

    • @grahamstrouse1165
      @grahamstrouse1165 Рік тому

      Hybrid cruiser/carriers and battle-carriers didn’t make much sense for large naval powers. For a country like Sweden, however, a ship like Gotland made a lot of sense.

  • @Paveway-chan
    @Paveway-chan Рік тому +22

    "Resultant 5.000 tonne Swedish battlestar design" Ha! I had never thought of it that way before!

  • @fletcher4552
    @fletcher4552 Рік тому +36

    Bismarck: have you ever have a feeling that you've been watched?
    Gotland:...

    • @gregorywright4918
      @gregorywright4918 Рік тому +3

      The most dangerous weapon on that little ship was its radio...

  • @anumeon
    @anumeon Рік тому +70

    The original Gotland. :) My grandfather served onboard her for a while when she sailed around the world. (Including an incident where one of his subordinates accidentally fired one of the main guns at a vessel in the Gibraltar strait by mistake, insofar as i remember the story)

    • @scootergsp
      @scootergsp Рік тому +8

      Well, that would certainly be embarrassing 😳...

    • @anumeon
      @anumeon Рік тому +7

      @@scootergsp Nobody got hurt, that was the important part atleast. But they scared the heck out of that vessel.

    • @mikeynth7919
      @mikeynth7919 Рік тому +14

      @@anumeon I can imagine the reaction. "Are the Swedes going Viking again?"

    • @SonsOfLorgar
      @SonsOfLorgar Рік тому +7

      @@mikeynth7919 the urge is always present just below the peaceful surface 🪓😁

    • @inyobill
      @inyobill Рік тому +2

      How does a weapon come to be loade and capable of accidental fire? One confesses to a certain confusion.

  • @hendrihendri3939
    @hendrihendri3939 Рік тому +22

    Ah yes
    The Gaslighting Shipgirl from Swedish
    *"I've always have been with you, Admiral."*
    Happy New Year, Drach!

    • @mindwarp42
      @mindwarp42 Рік тому +5

      Don't you remember choosing her as your starter secretary ship?

    • @ousou78
      @ousou78 Рік тому +2

      This guide was uploaded since the early days of the channel.
      I don't know what is wrong with UA-cam's upload date!

    • @panzerschliffehohenzollern4863
      @panzerschliffehohenzollern4863 Рік тому +4

      Ah yes. Gotland the Starter ship.

    • @hendrihendri3939
      @hendrihendri3939 Рік тому +4

      @@ousou78 The Gaslight is real
      Gotland is playing with us

  • @TheEDFLegacy
    @TheEDFLegacy Рік тому +46

    "Swedish Battlestar" is a phrase I thought I'd never hear in my life. And I'm absolutely loving it.

    • @weldonwin
      @weldonwin Рік тому +5

      *(Distant Sounds of Taiko Drums)*

    • @Groza_Dallocort
      @Groza_Dallocort Рік тому +1

      Well gave me a good laugh

    • @AnimeSunglasses
      @AnimeSunglasses Рік тому +3

      @@weldonwin (joined by even more distant bagpipes)

    • @weldonwin
      @weldonwin Рік тому

      @@AnimeSunglasses ua-cam.com/video/k8-HHivlj8k/v-deo.html So Say We All...

    • @williamcostigan91
      @williamcostigan91 Рік тому

      Not sure it would survive the Adama Maneuver as well as the Big G did though.

  • @Kirk00077
    @Kirk00077 Рік тому +26

    This ship reminds me of a scene in the *Wraith Squadron* novels where Wedge and friends capture a CR90 Corvette, same class as Leia’s *Tantive IV*. Turns out this one’s been converted to have extravagant officer’s quarters, equivalent to an admiral’s accommodations, as well as minelaying gear and a really awkward hangar so it can launch TIE fighters. It’s described as “trying very hard to be a pocket carrier”. I loved that ship, and I suspect that I like this one for similar reasons-I know they’re pretty impractical but multipurpose designs are just so *cool*.
    But the revision going from the original three-twin design to the final version with the casemates made me so sad.

    • @meanmanturbo
      @meanmanturbo Рік тому +1

      Ah, converted hangar on my destroyers in Starsector, what fun. Game I can fully recomend if you havent tried it.

    • @williamcostigan91
      @williamcostigan91 Рік тому +2

      To this day I still have no idea how the Wraiths managed to cram nine x-wings in her bow. That's some Tetris level of space management... Or TARDIS level.

    • @grahamstrouse1165
      @grahamstrouse1165 Рік тому +1

      Wedge shall live in our hearts forever…

  • @45641560456405640563
    @45641560456405640563 Рік тому +80

    Very interesting ship. The Swedish navy during the WW1 - WW2 era is incredibly interesting.

    • @JeffTan
      @JeffTan Рік тому

      like sverige who toppled a government😂

  • @phaasch
    @phaasch Рік тому +34

    What an extraordinary looking ship. What became of the seaplanes when the aft 6" turret was required to fire? -Or did they just have to order a set of replacements?
    Wishing a great 2023 to you, Drach, and thank you for all you do for us.

    • @Paveway-chan
      @Paveway-chan Рік тому +8

      *Presumably* the gun crews were told not to fire the guns directly over the flight deck unless at great elevation, i.e. at targets at max range.

    • @phaasch
      @phaasch Рік тому +5

      @@Paveway-chan Quite. I was thinking more of the blast radius, which would be considerable. Probably firing on any bearing finer than 45° on either quarter would have caused the flimsy biplanes a fair bit of damage.

    • @maladroit5376
      @maladroit5376 Рік тому +4

      Given that the Swedish navy operated mainly in or near its own coastline, I'd expect the planes to be flown off before any guns started firing if they weren't already airborne. Either for recon, spotting or other purposes (did the planes have anti-submzrine capabilities .)

    • @khaelamensha3624
      @khaelamensha3624 Рік тому +4

      For air forced, it is called a scramble 🤣 in this case someti3without a pilot in the cockpit 😇😁

    • @genericpersonx333
      @genericpersonx333 Рік тому +1

      You would be hitting on one of the problems of the ship: the planes were in the way and the guns could indeed damage them or the equipment to operate the planes, making the rear turret often unable to cover most of the rear arc. However, given the ship was incapable of outrunning any destroyers or modern cruisers in the Baltic, and the casemated guns were towards the front, Gotland theoretically would not be bothering to turn its rear on an enemy anyway. Gotland was basically expected to sail at its enemies, turn broadside to get all five possible guns in action, and hope it defeated the enemy before the enemy got any hits on Gotland, since there was little hope of escape nor much armor to prevent a citadel penetration.

  • @JayVeeEss36
    @JayVeeEss36 Рік тому +5

    Battlestar Gotlandica, with Starbuck and IKEA against the dreaded Cylon/Danish Raiders

  • @jonbezeau3124
    @jonbezeau3124 Рік тому +14

    I don't know how I've listened to this channel so long without imagining an extra dwarf named Bofors added to The Hobbit. The battle at the end would have been really one-sided.

    • @SonsOfLorgar
      @SonsOfLorgar Рік тому +6

      It certainly would have made the battle of lake town significantly shorter and louder 🤣

    • @BleedingUranium
      @BleedingUranium Рік тому +3

      A bit more punch than a Dwarvish wind lance.

    • @rosiehawtrey
      @rosiehawtrey Рік тому +3

      I've a neighbour I've nicknamed Bofors - burped out 13 kids...

  • @comentedonakeyboard
    @comentedonakeyboard Рік тому +16

    So Gotland started the chain of events that destroyed both Hood and Bismarck?
    Very efficient (in a neutral way).

    • @bkjeong4302
      @bkjeong4302 Рік тому +2

      When a hybrid design of all things manages to (indirectly) destroy two of the largest capital ships then in service (albeit one over 20 years old and one that was badly designed by WWII standards)….

    • @JanHgh
      @JanHgh Рік тому +1

      In the words of Zapp Branigan: I hate these filthy Neutrals, Kif. With enemies you know where they stand but with Neutrals, who knows? It sickens me.
      ua-cam.com/video/k8ws_APXilE/v-deo.html

    • @Ah01
      @Ah01 Рік тому +2

      Lütjens should have aborted/delayed the mission anyway when pretty much everything went wrong (timing, secrecy, refueling) during the Trondheim stay. But that`s another story and told many times over elsewhere..

    • @comentedonakeyboard
      @comentedonakeyboard Рік тому +2

      @@Ah01 i wonder if he could have beached the ship in Ireland (thus geting interned in a neutral country)🤔

    • @Ah01
      @Ah01 Рік тому +1

      @@comentedonakeyboardThe altmark - incidence repeated in much bigger scale 🤣🤣
      (Even if DeV sent Hitler a birthday greeting even at 45, the Irish neutrality would not have held at that heavy case. )

  • @MFitz12
    @MFitz12 Рік тому +3

    What a coinkeedink that I have for the last few days been brushing up on my Swedish in order to hunt the web for images of WW2 era Swedish ships, including the Gotland. Don't ask me why about my recent fixation on such things.
    About Gotland's AA conversion (and much of this can be seen in the image at 5:58);
    1. The four twin 40mm mounts added aft were in 3 different configurations . The Swedes did this a lot.
    1A. The 2 forward most side-by side mountings were water cooled, stabilized (essentially the same setup as the Dutch Hazemeyer which I suspect was actually of Swedish, not Dutch origin) and had on-mount optical rangefinders and fire control computers.
    1B. The two aft most twin 40mm mounts on the centerline used air-cooled guns, were hand worked and lacked on-mount fire control computers but did have an on-mount optical rangefinder.
    1C. At some point these two aft centerline mounts were switched out. The forward was replaced by the water cooled and stabilized power mount with FC computer to make 3 total. The extreme stern mount similarly updated except it retained air cooled guns and got on-mount splinter shields in a rather complex arrangement .
    2. Two single Bofors 20mm M/40 guns were mounted on either side between the two air cooled 40mm mounts. These were probably removed with the obsolete 25mm guns at the last refit.
    3. A pair of twin 25mm Bofors were added just forward of all that and another one atop the forward 15 cm gun house. All hand worked, with local control.
    4. The twin 75mm/60 Bofors mount on the centerline got a splinter shield. The singles didn't. You can see its director above it just behind the 2nd funnel with another director forward. Odd dome-shaped things.

  • @TheRogueLeader
    @TheRogueLeader Рік тому +14

    These are the voyages of the Swedish Battlestar Gotland

    • @weldonwin
      @weldonwin Рік тому +3

      *(Distant Taiko Drum Sounds)*

    • @JoshuaTootell
      @JoshuaTootell Рік тому +1

      Sometimes you have to roll a hard 6.

  • @mattblom3990
    @mattblom3990 Рік тому +13

    I find the little corner of naval history how the Scandinavian navies in the 20th century tried to create a credible, but proportional, defense as very interesting and this adds to Drach's previous works on the topic. Good little video :)

  • @thestatesmen6558
    @thestatesmen6558 Рік тому +7

    My Alaskan Malamute loves the intro and has to start singing every time I play your videos!

  • @calvingreene90
    @calvingreene90 Рік тому +3

    Sweden, as pro Allies as they could survive being.

  • @DrGull1888
    @DrGull1888 Рік тому +20

    Drachinfel, thank you for your work and all the best for you and yours as well as for your viewers for the New year.

  • @ThrowawayModeller
    @ThrowawayModeller Рік тому +7

    Best starter ship in Kancolle u.u

  • @MH-gm3ju
    @MH-gm3ju Рік тому +4

    5000 t swedish battlestar 😂👍

  • @joaoalbertodosanjosgomes1536
    @joaoalbertodosanjosgomes1536 Рік тому +6

    Your channel is good to learn English too. 🌎🙏❤.
    Good retreat 2023 year a.d..

  • @joshuasantos3692
    @joshuasantos3692 Рік тому +3

    2:40
    Ah the battlestar Gotland, if that’s the case I wonder where admiral Adama is then?

  • @hotzi9288
    @hotzi9288 Рік тому +11

    Finally the real starter ship has arrived.

  • @paoloviti6156
    @paoloviti6156 Рік тому +2

    I wonder if my late Swedish mother, died 3 months ago, was on the Gothland as there is a photo of her and other pretty girl scouts all lined up on the deck surly around late thirty. I will search for this photo as I don't were is it is now......

  • @southernbear736
    @southernbear736 Рік тому +7

    BATTLESTAR GOTLAND

  • @TheEDFLegacy
    @TheEDFLegacy Рік тому +6

    Most nations: Let's just build an aircraft carrier and battleship separately.
    Sweden: Så säger vi alla.
    (If Google Translate didn't work as planned, "So say we all")

  • @craigfazekas3923
    @craigfazekas3923 Рік тому +6

    I have grown, like many others, to love & look forward to these; all Drach offerings, in fact.
    Happy New Year to you & yours (especially the clearly loving & patient Mrs. Drach !!)
    Love ya, brother....
    🚬😎

  • @darkninja2004
    @darkninja2004 Рік тому +5

    Reminds me of a Valkyrie class Battlestar; a smallish, economical Battlestar that can do just about anything fairly well...

  • @aidanfarnan4683
    @aidanfarnan4683 Рік тому +1

    *Gotland:* "Nice Ship you have there, Kreigsmarine... would be a shame if someone *spotted* it..."

  • @carlcramer9269
    @carlcramer9269 Рік тому +7

    Naval museeums here in Sweden always display the Gotland - she seems to be the pride of our navy. It is a little odd to me, as we had an air force capable of patrolling much the same waters.

    • @TheStefanskoglund1
      @TheStefanskoglund1 Рік тому +3

      Which time period ?
      At this time early 30s Flygvapnet was rather weak.
      One liability with surveillance air craft from land : what is the lead time ?
      A ship force commander wants information about the enemy fast and so being able to tell Gotland to send off two aircraft now is important.

    • @khairulhelmihashim2510
      @khairulhelmihashim2510 Рік тому +2

      inter-service rivalry. No service wants to be subjugated by other services.

  • @khairulhelmihashim2510
    @khairulhelmihashim2510 Рік тому +5

    A parallel concept with Imperial Japanese Navy Tone-class cruiser.

  • @spyran5839
    @spyran5839 Рік тому +7

    I always was intrigued by the idea behind the ships design after seeing a model of it in the Swedish naval museum at Karlskrona.

  • @kirgan1000
    @kirgan1000 Рік тому +4

    Can you do HSwMS Fylgia next? The first? cruiser with unified medium artillery (and a bunch of smaler secondary)

  • @studentjohn35
    @studentjohn35 5 місяців тому +1

    Excellent that you made reference to HMS Vindictive (1920) The whole idea of cruisers morphing int light carriers while keeping both roles intact seemed like a good idea at the time. Gotland and Tone/Chikuma were the follow-up designs from that way of thinking.

  • @foo219
    @foo219 Рік тому +10

    A Swedish warship! Such a rare treat!

  • @wingy252
    @wingy252 Рік тому +5

    Never had a big interest in the Swedish Navy until recently, they have quite a few interesting lille ships like this one.

  • @dennisfox8673
    @dennisfox8673 Рік тому +4

    Would a ship like this have had any utility as an anti-submarine leader in the North Atlantic? I’m assuming the weather is just too rough most of the time to operate floatplanes, but since the Royal Navy was incredibly stretched I can also envision that perhaps it would have been useful, but not so much so that it ever made its way to the top of the “to do” list.
    In any case it’s always fun when Drach takes a look at some of these niche ships.

    • @MFitz12
      @MFitz12 Рік тому

      Not as well as an escort carrier and her cruiser features would have been useless after 1941. Range was also not nearly adequate for North Atlantic convoys. Remember, she was never intended to leave the Baltic.

  • @oliver-matthiasheinrichmei4148
    @oliver-matthiasheinrichmei4148 Рік тому +24

    The best battlestar in the fleet. The Swedish building a Ikea cruiser before Ikea exists. Spotted a trend here.

    • @paoloviti6156
      @paoloviti6156 Рік тому +2

      I didn't know that IKEA had built a Cruiser, Lol🤣😂

    • @weldonwin
      @weldonwin Рік тому +8

      *(Just Whistling the BSG theme)*

    • @tcpratt1660
      @tcpratt1660 Рік тому +7

      @@paoloviti6156 Technically, IKEA didn't build the cruiser...it was a 72,164 flat pack carton kit that YOU had to build (ever try driving rivets with those damned Allen wrenches?!!?)

    • @oliver-matthiasheinrichmei4148
      @oliver-matthiasheinrichmei4148 Рік тому +2

      That's the only thing that keeps us from buying it.

    • @paoloviti6156
      @paoloviti6156 Рік тому

      @@tcpratt1660 yes, I know very well those IKEA assembly boxes that weigh a ton and you wasted a day by assembling together so many rivets with those bloody Allen keys. Both my ex wife and my sister were fanatical with IKEA but I really hated it 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

  • @nozdormu89
    @nozdormu89 Рік тому +1

    Goes to show, the First ever Battlestar would've been built by the Swedes. So who's building the Cylon Basestars?

  • @TheKillfish
    @TheKillfish Рік тому +4

    A 5 minute guide on one more of Sweden's many interesting ships is a perfect way to end the year, especially with that ship being Gotland. Here's for a good 2023!

  • @guaporeturns9472
    @guaporeturns9472 Рік тому +1

    Reporting Bismarck while making millions selling iron to Germany.. well played

  • @segerpotatis
    @segerpotatis Рік тому +1

    have you done a video on the destroier piorun i have heard a story about it.
    the piorun and some other destroiers was shadowing the bismark and they had orders not to attak bismark headon but simply but send of torpedos. they spotted the bismark ant they begun to prep. for a attak when the sqoadren ledar ship lookt back to the piorun to se something chocking. the piorun was was moving stait for the bismark and begun to shoot, frowing trach and skreming insult to the germas and it´s reported that the sailors got some instruments and begining to sing the national anthem of poland before moving back to its comrads.
    now get this a lonly destroier from poland attakt the ship that even theroyal navys biggest battleships was afraid of. ULTRA CHAD MOMENT. btw good video

  • @Scriptorsilentum
    @Scriptorsilentum Рік тому +1

    excellent video. her armour seems simply too weak, though i have no doubt the swedes knew how to make it work.

  • @goranaxelsson1409
    @goranaxelsson1409 Рік тому +1

    I think that a small part of Gotland might still be in use, the large guns. In fixed artillery installations along the Swedish - Finnish border. It's main use was to delay a land invasion force from east to give some crucial time for mobilisation in case of someone attacking through Finland.
    Although, it's been more than 30 years since I visited the site so it might have been removed since then.

    • @Groza_Dallocort
      @Groza_Dallocort Рік тому

      Most of the fixed defences along the Kalix-line was removed around the year 2000 maybe two or three are still standing but they are no longer able to fire

  • @staffanalinder1592
    @staffanalinder1592 Рік тому +3

    HM flygplanskryssaren Gotland! I've been hopeing for Drach to do this ship since I found his channel, and now it's here. It is an unusual combination of capabilities in a small ship but Sweden never had to consider long-range actions.

  • @BigTLord01
    @BigTLord01 Рік тому +2

    Imagine this being in Wows

  • @agesflow6815
    @agesflow6815 Рік тому +6

    Thank you, Drachinifel.

  • @Alex-cw3rz
    @Alex-cw3rz Рік тому +6

    What was the reason for the white stripe on Swedish ships of this era apart from looking cool, was it as a form of identification as a Swedish vessel?

    • @Papadragon18
      @Papadragon18 Рік тому +12

      Yeah. Neutrality marker.

    • @Ragedaonenlonely
      @Ragedaonenlonely Рік тому +2

      Those were the so-called neutrality stripes, painted on all Swedish ships during the war to keep them from being mistaken as a hostile warship and attacked by Germany or any other power for that matter. It usually worked. Usually...

    • @Alex-cw3rz
      @Alex-cw3rz Рік тому

      @@Papadragon18 thank you

    • @Alex-cw3rz
      @Alex-cw3rz Рік тому

      @@Ragedaonenlonely thank you

  • @martinsportfoto2423
    @martinsportfoto2423 Рік тому +8

    So Sweden had the old HMS Gotland who were a carrier of aircrafts, and thesedays we do have a rather different HMS Gotland who seem happy scaring genuine aircraft carriers 🙂
    And; for good measure, there is the island of Gotland which is occasionally characterized as a kind of "unsinkable airicraft carrier in the Baltic".
    A name with lots of interpretations :-)

  • @jimfleming3975
    @jimfleming3975 Рік тому +9

    The Wal-Mart of warships.

    • @kennethhanks6712
      @kennethhanks6712 Рік тому +2

      Maybe not even Wal-Mart: Perhaps Dollar General!

  • @caos1925
    @caos1925 Рік тому +1

    Reminds me of modern destroyers with the helicopter on the back

  • @farmerned6
    @farmerned6 Рік тому +2

    Swedish Battlestar - like it

  • @robertbennett270
    @robertbennett270 Рік тому +5

    What a fascinating ship.

  • @inyobill
    @inyobill Рік тому +3

    I guess the Baltic was her intended area of ops. Were land based aircraft inadequate to perform the required surveilance?

    • @Drachinifel
      @Drachinifel  Рік тому +4

      To slow to call up compared to just getting one of your own out there ASAP :)

    • @gregorywright4918
      @gregorywright4918 Рік тому +2

      Does ANY navy have great relations with their land-based-focused air counterpart? Having their own is so much easier, if the boss allows.

    • @bkjeong4302
      @bkjeong4302 Рік тому +2

      @@gregorywright4918
      This is also the reason the Regia Marina suffered from a lack of carriers even though the Regia Aeronautica should have been enough in theory.

    • @gregorywright4918
      @gregorywright4918 Рік тому +1

      @@bkjeong4302 There is the training aspect as well. Naval-service trained aviators learn over-water navigation and practice recognizing and attacking ships. Land-focused aviators learn land navigation and attacking land targets. Plus they are far more likely to respond quickly to a request from the land forces than the sea forces.

  • @davidrasthammar1057
    @davidrasthammar1057 Рік тому +3

    Sad that the Swedish navy didn't save any of the old ships.

    • @SonsOfLorgar
      @SonsOfLorgar Рік тому +1

      Saved a lot of the turrets and guns as costal artillery though

    • @Ragedaonenlonely
      @Ragedaonenlonely Рік тому +1

      They did save some of them, nothing larger than a destroyer though sadly.

    • @Groza_Dallocort
      @Groza_Dallocort Рік тому +1

      @@Ragedaonenlonely one of the coastal battleship hulls is used as a small dock somewhere

  • @BobSmith-dk8nw
    @BobSmith-dk8nw Рік тому +2

    Thanks. It's interesting to see what these small navies did with their small budgets. And here - one of their ships played a part in a major event. Things could have gone much differently if the British had not known Bismarck was coming out.
    .

  • @davidmoore1253
    @davidmoore1253 Рік тому +2

    I've read that the major navies were extremely interested in this ship, due to the uncertainty about the capabilities of naval aviation at that time. Everyone was studying it to see if they ought to build some for themselves.

    • @grahamstrouse1165
      @grahamstrouse1165 Рік тому

      The hybrid cruiser/seaplane carrier made a lot more sense than the battlecarrier, IMO. I could even see a somewhat beefed version of Gotland offering value to one of the larger navies, even US or Britain. A stretched Gotland with radar, better gun layout and more machinery could act as the flagship for a a convoy escort flotilla, independent scout, sub-hunter (if she had a squadron of Catalinas), or general purpose mischief maker (I’d definitely be keeping those mines.) an American Gotland would likely skip the torpedos and go heavier on the AA, of course. 🙂 I’d probably build something that was closer to 7000 tons but the basic concept, I think, is valid.

  • @jamesjarrait2231
    @jamesjarrait2231 Рік тому +1

    Sweden didn’t have any other members of the Battle Star class? HSwMS Galactica come to mind. :)

  • @truckdriver1982
    @truckdriver1982 Рік тому +4

    Fun fact...all you needed to build it was an allen wrench

  • @barbararice6650
    @barbararice6650 Рік тому +1

    HMS Vindictive..... The RN win the best named ship of all time award 😊

  • @chadthundercock5641
    @chadthundercock5641 Рік тому +5

    The WOWS flamethrower, setting so many ships on fire 🔥

    • @VultureSausage
      @VultureSausage Рік тому +1

      That's Halland or Småland, Gotland isn't in yet.

    • @chadthundercock5641
      @chadthundercock5641 Рік тому +1

      @@VultureSausage Oh I meant Öster Gotland

    • @hansheden
      @hansheden Рік тому +2

      @@chadthundercock5641 You mean "Östergötland". Two different things.

    • @chadthundercock5641
      @chadthundercock5641 Рік тому +1

      @@hansheden No I mean Öster Gotland

    • @Aelxi
      @Aelxi Рік тому

      @@chadthundercock5641 bruh

  • @katrinapaton5283
    @katrinapaton5283 Рік тому +1

    The reality of what you want vs what you can afford.

  • @meanstavrakas1044
    @meanstavrakas1044 Рік тому +1

    Sverige-class coastal defence ships. Let's see those, PLEASE!

    • @Groza_Dallocort
      @Groza_Dallocort Рік тому

      Drachinifel did that about three years ago ua-cam.com/video/Gkh2vse-KVM/v-deo.html

  • @jollyjohnthepirate3168
    @jollyjohnthepirate3168 Рік тому +2

    I've always been fascinated by the relationship between neutral Sweden and Nazi Germany. There was some naval action between the two. Sweden was also aware of the appalling treatment of their Norwegian and Danish brothers and sisters by the Gestapo.

    • @gregorywright4918
      @gregorywright4918 Рік тому

      Sweden actively resisting Germany mid-war is an interesting alternative history question - could Germany afford the diversion of the significant resources it would take to subdue Sweden after it was entangled with UK, USSR, North Africa/Med, the bomber war, and suppressing the occupied countries? But then, it probably had to in order to maintain the iron supply, but it would significantly influence the other fronts, probably leading to quicker victories by the Allies.

    • @AnotherDuck
      @AnotherDuck Рік тому

      @@gregorywright4918 Late response and all, but by actively resisting you mean abandoning the neutrality policy? At some point in the war, Sweden did determine that Germany didn't have enough forces to go around, which meant Germany lost a lot of negotiation power. If they tried to invade to get access to the iron, the supply lines were set up to be sabotaged, so that would probably not be viable. Sweden was at high risk early in the war, but mid-late when Germany was too spread out, the risk was much smaller.

  • @jayfelsberg1931
    @jayfelsberg1931 Рік тому +1

    What a clever design! Making do with less.

  • @jimmywrangles
    @jimmywrangles Рік тому +2

    Thanks Drach, much appreciafied.

  • @johnfisher9692
    @johnfisher9692 Рік тому +3

    I think this ship is an example of a ship trying to be a Jack of all Trades but master of none

    • @MFitz12
      @MFitz12 Рік тому +1

      In modern parlance she is a multi-role combat vessel. Fleet scout (a traditional light cruiser role) except with airplanes, minelayer and traditional gun cruiser which would probably act as a flotilla leader for destroyers.

    • @grahamstrouse1165
      @grahamstrouse1165 Рік тому

      Sweden didn’t have a lot of options. They were a sophisticated country but they lacked the resources and manpower to maintain a substantial battle fleet. Also, as a neutral power Sweden couldn’t expect to rely on the Axis powers or the allies for things like aerial reconnaissance.

  • @rosiehawtrey
    @rosiehawtrey Рік тому

    Looks like they pinched a German Hull, Russian uptakes, a British bridge section and borrowed a Tardis to go forward in time and "borrow, liberate or purr-loin" the gun houses of a Dido class at the back door of the storage warehouse...

  • @peterdavy6110
    @peterdavy6110 Рік тому +1

    Now that would make a wonderful model! Forget all your Bismarcks and Yamatos. Guns, mines and aircraft all on the one ship!!

  • @williammalmsten2233
    @williammalmsten2233 Рік тому +2

    Well made, please do more swedish ships!

  • @bryantcurtis2665
    @bryantcurtis2665 Рік тому

    Happy New Year Drach!🛥🔥💨💨💨🪂✈️🚀🚟🚠🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🤪🖕U Poot💩in!! We're outa here. BT3 Bryant U.S.S.GRIDLEY CG-21 '84. Wait til they get a taste of DLG-21 U.S.S.GRIDLEY. Stay safe peeps. We got this.

  • @asd36f
    @asd36f 9 місяців тому

    Gotland was too small to be a successful seaplane carrier, and hardly fast enough to challenge the new generation of German light cruisers being developed in the 1930's. The fragility of the Hawker Osprey also made the role of Gotland as a seaplane carrier problematic.

  • @Hubba404
    @Hubba404 Рік тому +1

    Battlestar: Meatball

  • @joearnold6881
    @joearnold6881 Рік тому

    Seems like a terrible idea to waste so much space, on an already compromised hybrid design, with mine laying equipment.
    Let some little minelayers do that kind of thing. Convert some regular small ships or have a your destroyers do it.
    It’s not like you lay lines while literally exchanging fire or something.
    You’re just wasting space you don’t have and filling your boat with giant explosives for no purpose.

  • @JoshuaC923
    @JoshuaC923 Рік тому +1

    Happy New Year Mr and Mrs Drach! 🎉

  • @jamesgoacher1606
    @jamesgoacher1606 Рік тому

    Interesting connection to the Film 'Sink the Bismark'.
    I enjoy these 'non-famous' ships you present.

  • @QwertiusMaximus
    @QwertiusMaximus Рік тому +4

    Do you know Sweden painted bar code on their battleships?
    So they can Scandinavian.

  • @RCAvhstape
    @RCAvhstape Рік тому +1

    So if this is a Battlestar, are the embarked aircraft called Raptors or Vipers? Or just "shuttles" like in the 1978 version of BSG?

  • @franciscovarela7127
    @franciscovarela7127 Рік тому +2

    Very pretty ship.

  • @greycatturtle7132
    @greycatturtle7132 Рік тому +3

    Interesting

  • @jeebusk
    @jeebusk Рік тому +1

    It's really sad when videos end with scrapping, maybe we can extend the 5m (not unprecedented for drach) and discuss what museums have related artifacts or something?

    • @jeebusk
      @jeebusk Рік тому

      @@erikwellerweller8623 the Iowa class will probably be unearthed under a pyramid in the 45th century.

    • @gregorywright4918
      @gregorywright4918 Рік тому

      @@jeebusk Future Space Battleship...

  • @mytube001
    @mytube001 Рік тому +2

    Finally! :)

  • @peterwillemoes1801
    @peterwillemoes1801 Рік тому

    Can you do a video on the Danish coastal battleship Niels Juel and operation Safari

  • @bluejacketwarrior2457
    @bluejacketwarrior2457 Рік тому +1

    Baaaa
    A nice Ney Years Eve video. Thanks Drach!

  • @FandersonUfo
    @FandersonUfo Рік тому +4

    3 likes and zero views - lol at YT

  • @egyeneskifli7808
    @egyeneskifli7808 Рік тому +1

    So they built a ship in the 1930s, that served as a template to the Mogami refit.

    • @grahamstrouse1165
      @grahamstrouse1165 Рік тому

      More like convergent evolution, I reckon. 🙂 The Tone refits made a lot more sense than Ise & Hyuga, IMO.

  • @jims4539
    @jims4539 Рік тому +1

    Happy New Year. Hope all are well and enjoy the new year.

  • @mrsteamie4196
    @mrsteamie4196 Рік тому

    I'm so sad that she was scrapped, I love these quirky all-in-one ships from this era.

  • @jillatherton4660
    @jillatherton4660 Рік тому +1

    Happy New Year Ol' Bean.

  • @bryantcurtis2665
    @bryantcurtis2665 Рік тому

    Ive never seen a warship I didn’t like. I like this one. Good lines. BT3 BRYANT ADVANCE BOILER TECHNICIAN U.S.S. Gridley CG-21 6YO 10-17-84 p.s. You crack me up Drach😅.

  • @erikringdal844
    @erikringdal844 Рік тому

    Wonderful, I am the proud owner of a Gotland model scale around 1/144, wooden, build for rc. Got it for around 15 pounds at auction. Good friend restored it. Now only lacking its hawker osprey with the swedish engines.you have wonderful pictures in This video!

  • @McRocket
    @McRocket Рік тому

    Fascinating!
    I knew nothing of this ship, previously.
    Thank you.

  • @mattbaur9784
    @mattbaur9784 Рік тому

    Happy New Year Drachinifel, thanks as always for the amazing videos!