Ink Tutorial: G-Pens, Maru Pens, Pilot Ink, Kaimei Ink, Deleter Ink
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- Опубліковано 23 сер 2024
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I don't know how it is in your country but in german we even have two different names for the ink types, one is waterproof and one is not. I found the translations: Ink ("Tinte" - not waterproof) - Indian/China/India Ink ("Tusche" - waterproof). It's also known that you should not let the "Indian Ink" dry on the pen, cause you couldn't wash it off ^^
99% Isopropyl alcohol, or nib cleaner will take it off easy enough. But you shouldn't let the nibs stay messy anyway though.
I have one of these pens! And I never really got around to using it cause I wasnt sure how the ink worked. I didnt ever let the ink spread around the "bubble" but rather repeatedly kept dipping and man it was such a nuisance lol but now I know that was completely wrong haha also the tip is super sharp. There were times where I drew very hard into the paper (probably from frustration of not knowing how to use it) and my pen worked as an exacto knife as well 😂
Can you try the other deleter inks? There are different types like: waterproof with matte finish, waterproof and extra dark, erasing safe, fast drying, and glossy.
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Sebastian Michaelis kind of late, i know, but, the waterproo and extra dark, is the one i own, it is kind of matte, and it is indeed waterproof after a few hours, the only problem is that it dries quickly, and the white ink that is waterproof, is very thick and needs to be mixed with a tiny bit of water to use it, and i would recommend a brush for the white and to the actual g pen or marupen
Yes, I always do that. It doesn't make the lines thinner, but it prevents a blob of from getting on your page when you first touch the pen to the paper.
I just recently started trying digital. I've done one drawing in Photoshop and two in Paint Tool Sai. Paint Tool Sai is definitely easier to use. But I wish it had more of the functions Photoshop has. But Sai is just so convenient for line art and blending.
Yes, it does.
I don't have a job right now because of school, but I used to work as a waitress. I've been collecting supplies since I was little, but most of it has been acquired since I was 17.
You should try out India ink someday, it's completely waterproof which is extremely helpful
Yeah you are right , I wonder why she didn't have India ink
Can Indian ink rot?
+Crystal Jiang Ohh yeah, I had some indian ink markers, the first thing I did was draw a quick chibi and plunge it into a stream, the pigment didn't so much as blur~ it's quite remarkable stuff really.
+Crystal Jiang Does the ink work with copics, though?
+LuckyGoRabbitFoot yay The India Ink is used for caligraphy and drawing not for copics
Thanks! If I had stuck with my old channel, I most likely would have been past the 10,000 sub mark, but I started over!
Thanks for the comment. It really means a lot to me!
A plain black rollerball pen will work also if you only have computer paper available. I used to use it on my drawings that I did on "typing paper", which is rediculously thin and never had a single problem. The ink is very resistant to light as well since some of my drawing are almost 30 years old and show no signs of fading. ...the paper has yellowed but the cheap grocery store markers have held their own for nearly 3 decades. If you do use the rollerball...like a Uniball, you just need to let it dry for a day for best results. Those I use while on the road and they work fantastic and if you need more, they're usually at your nearest store.
Just in case you're interested -- the silver bit is actually the pen, and the black bit is the pen-holder. The 'nib' is the little bump right at the end of the pen, where it touches the paper. Of course, everyone knows what you mean by 'pen nib' and 'pen'
For cleaning, I use a paper towel to pull the nib out of the holder, which also soaks up most of the ink off of it. Then dip the nib in water and rub with the paper towel a couple times to get all the ink off and dry it. Then you can put it right back in the holder since that never gets wet, and you don't have to get out of your comfy chair either.
No, I've never tried making a manga, although I've had the basis of a story in my head for about 8 years. I don't know if I'll ever have time to make something out of it though.
I use my Copic multiliners more than the Microns because most of the time, if I'm inking a drawing, it's because I'm going to be colouring it with Copics. My Copics smear sometimes with the Microns. so I only use the Microns if I'm using pencil crayons or leaving the drawing uncoloured.
The sipping time will depend on where you live. The farther away you live, the longer it will take. Check out the link in the description to go directly to the website.
Yes.
Yup!
Tachikawa is just a brand name. G-pens and maru pens are types of pens. I explained it all in the video. You can get one or both types. It's up to you.
Hey, there are Daler Rowney (I think that's the brand) bottles of ink at Walmart that are even cheaper! Like, a dollar and something cents or whatever. It's in the art supply section. (I love that section so much, everything's cheap.)
My heart broke when all of them turned out to be not waterproof... I love watercolours and I wanted to use these type of pens... shoot.
Use Deleter number 3 or 4. They are waterproof.
Leah Velásquez there are many kinds of ink that are actually waterproof! Like Higgins. Worry not.
Just buy waterproof ink? It's literally that easy
Speedball ink is waterproof
as much as i know, India ink is waterproof after it's dried
omg I watched this a while ago and never realized that it was you until I subscribed and found this video again
Thanks! Yeah, I tried really hard on this one to make it good quality.
They are hard to control initially, and one wrong move can result in a huge smear of ink! I haven't been using them much lately, but I really want to start using them more since I find they make the line art really pop. Happy birthday!
Yeah, I try to answer as many as I can :)
The one I had on me in this video is the brand Nikko.
I'm late to the show as usual but here is a tip I learned when doing pen and ink on ceramics - store the nib in a bit of window cleaner. Mine has been in the cleaner for a couple years now and is still in good shape. The cleaner also gets the nib squeaky clean without any effort on my part whatsoever
If you want waterproof ink, be sure that the bottle specifically says waterproof. If it doesn't say that, then it is going to smear with watercolors. The reason that kaimei and deleter didn't smear with copics is because they aren't alcohol soluable at the level that copic uses. If you drip some rubbing alcohol on the paper, they will likely bleed like crazy. Pilot is just soluable with water and alcohol. (according to my research... I could be wrong on that)
True. You know your inks!
I thought I had looked up enough, but sadly I didn't. Thus, my ink painting days ended in frustration. I still use inks for filling in darks in art, but not as the main medium...
Almost every bottle says waterproof. Very few actually are. So it's not as simple as reading the label. I've had to experiment with a lot of ink. I've often wondered if people have the same definition of waterproof as I do.
I just tested it out to see what happens. I noticed that after I dip my pen, I wipe the back of the nib on the lip of the ink bottle. That gets off any excess ink. Then I used it with my ruler a few times, and yes, it got some ink along the side, but only a bit. Definitely not enough to drip. Maybe try getting rid of the excess ink like that and see if that helps. The other option is to use other ink for straight lines. Like if I was ever going to ink panel lines, I would use a multiliner.
Glad you liked it :) Thanks for the info about the waterproof ink!
Good question. It's Nikko.
Great video. Thanks. Casual, but direct and informative. Well done. Just picked up a g-pen last week and on well on my way now.
OH MY GOSH!!!! I JUST BARELY BOUGHT SOME AND THIS IS THE PERFECT VIDEO!
Depends on your style, but most people go thicker where shadows might be and where two lines intersect.
It makes a scratchy noise, but it shouldn't actually leave a dent on the paper.
That's just how the pen is. It takes a bit of getting used to. As for drawing a circle in one stroke, I don't thing you can unless you spin the pen as you go (which would take some skill) since as you probably figured, you can only make the ink flow from one side of the nib.
Yeah, definitely!
The g-pens are all one standard size as far as I know. I don't know about shipping to the UK. You'll have to check the website.
You can use whatever ink you want.
It's a Tachikawa pen. I think the pen with two rings is a good idea since it saves money, but it's more work to switch the nibs. I guess it's really up to you and what you think is more worth it.
Higgins ink is waterproof and dries completely in about 2 minutes. I use Higgins with all my drawings if I don't use a regular felt-tipped pen. I love it and it's super cheap. My bottle of 30 mL cost like $3-$4, I can't remember and that was at Hobby Lobby in the States.
Yes, the tip is sharp.
I put a link in the video description :)
You'd think the oil would wash off when you wipe it dry. But I don't know. I've never had an issue with it.
Since you said you're just doing black and white, I would recommend the Pilot ink.
This was, perhaps, the most informational video I have ever watched on manga. I feel empowered by your knowledge. Thank you.
Good to know! Thanks!
Multiliners are like super fine tipped felt pens that hold ink inside them. G-pens have a metal tip and don't hold ink inside.
I've only seen one store have them, and it was a small locally owned store. They didn't have a ton of selection though. The internet is your best bet for price and selection.
Any of the ones shown in this video are good in my opinion. They're just your standard pens.
Pledge or wood polish actually works really well for me for removing rust, and its usually safe on the metal, I mean ive never had a problem with it before, but it does work most of the time
Great video, very thorough! One thing I'd add regarding inks-- look for"waterproof" or "India Ink" they're traditionally a waterproof and pretty safe for washing over with watercolor or water-based markers. Such inks will say "not for use in fountain pens" on the box, since they don't wash out with water. They also usually have thicker consistency. Since many have shellac and alcohol base, they may still bleed with alcohol-based markers, so you'll have to test.
Don't burn the oil off, use acetone or soap and water! Also Nikko and Tachikawa are made by the same company but Nikko is made for a bit more flex. I find my flexible nibs last a month or two with moderate use, probably two weeks if I were drawing a 4 panel comic weekly, and like a week or less if I was doing full page comics in Tabloid or B5 format manuscripts.
Yes, you can run just about any type of ink through these types of pens. I actually use a mix of chinese ink with some other types of inks.
this is very informative... this was the first video I saw of urs a while back and meant to comment. It was helpful, I love using ink
I'm currently on a quest to find nibs that can make lines in all directions (not just down), and am semi-successful. Tama is okay with that, now need to get G and Maru.
Having tools that can only produce lines in one direction is super limiting if you want to actually enjoy drawing.
For shaky hands, try making your strokes faster. Also, what I do is I go back over my lines to smooth things out.
If you want excellent waterproof ink, use Dr. PH Martin's Black Star ink. They have a "matte" and "hi-carb" version. The matte is perfect jet black and reproduces/scans without fear of glare/reflections, even for large areas. The hi-carb is slightly glossier and is a little less viscous than the matte version. It's also used with acetate/Duralar anime fan-cels. The "Bombay" line of inks are good colored inks too. I haven't used any of these with Copics, but I do with watercolor all the time.
I haven't used any waterproof liquid inks myself, but someone else commented saying Dr. PH Martin's Black Star ink is waterproof and really good quality.
I've never heard of it. Just try it out, and if it does its job, then it's good!
You will probably be shaky at first, but it just takes some practice. Try to avoid making slow lines because they will look shaky. Either do fast, long strokes, or a bunch of overlapping smaller strokes that together look like one line. Work from one side of the page to the other to avoid smudging the ink. Make sure it's dry before erasing, and make sure it's REALLY dry before colouring.
I know! I've always thought the same thing :)
I've used them in drawings that I've coloured, but I didn't actually show the inking process. I'll try to do that in one of my next colouring videos.
I have a Bamboo Pen tablet. It's the cheapest one you can get. I don't remember the price though. I got it at Future Shop.
I use my zebra g-pen on watercolour paper but also on printing paper and never had any problems with those :) i've never tried any of the inks you use because indian ink is kind of the standard one every art shop here has. indian ink is waterproof and cheaper but still now i can stop wondering about the inks you showed because i had absolutely no experience with them and couldn't find anything about them. so many thanx! ^-^
I don't know what pelican ink is, but it really depends what you're using it for. Any ink that's made for dip pens should work, but it won't necessarily be waterproof or Copic proof.
Really enjoyed your presentation. Cleared up a whole series of questions I had but could not find clear answers to elsewhere. Thanks
Thanks for the info! I like hearing about inks I haven't tried.
If I had to choose one, it would definitely be the multiliners.
My maru nibs came in a pack of 2 and my Nikko g-pen nibs came in a pack of 3. But the Tachikawa ones did come in a pack of 10. You will need more than one. What if you lose the only one you have? Also they wear out over time, so the ink will stop flowing as smoothly, which is when you would need to switch them out. One nib should last you quite a while though.
The ink is affected differently on different paper types, too. I have the Pilot one, and while it isn't copic proof on my Canson Universal drawing paper, it is copic proof on a canson bristol and a brand of manga paper that I have. :)
You mean the ink spreads after you make a line? I haven't had that problem. It could be the type of ink you're using. Sometimes I find it hard to make a thin line with my g-pen and that's when I use my maru pen.
Hmm I guess it would depend on how much you use it. I don't use mine very often, and I've never had to replace a nib yet.
Yeah I would try burning it. I still don't know what you mean when you say the pen is rough. Do you mean it's scratchy? Because that's just how it is.
I'm not sure. Check if they have a shipping info page or an FAQ page.
Sounds cool. I should try it sometime.
Yeah, I hold mine like a pencil. With these I like to hold them as close to the tip as possible, so to me it's crazy that you like to hold them closer to the top. Whatever works! :)
Well it's going to depend how much you use them. I've never had to, but I don't really know how to tell it needs to be changed unless it's spewing ink.
i really can't thank you enough for making this video. I'm an aspiring manga artist and this is just the thing i needed. thanks to you i was able to find the perfect ink and pens that i wanted. this comment is just one of hundreds of course, but really thank you
I did not. I honestly don't know how the whole customs thing works because sometimes I have to pay it and sometimes I don't, even when I'm ordering from the same website. Maybe it has to do with the amount of your purchase? But when I ordered from JetPens, I did not have to pay it.
Lovely video, you've got some amazing tools! But, you should never rinse your nibs with water to clean them! Just wipe them. A cotton cloth is best. If some ink accidentally dries on the nib, you can just scrape it off later. Water will ruin your nibs. Also there are a lot of comments on here saying you should not burn your nibs to get the excess oil off... but the idea is to burn the oil, not the nib. You shouldn't be heating the nib enough to make it hot or damage it so I don't see a problem there. The oil is only on the surface and it will wipe off eventually anyway. So I think what you did there was fine. You're awesome, keep making amazing and informative videos!
Copic Multiliners aren't the only pens that fade when erased, Microns do too! I find it annoying, and to prevent it, I erase before inking. And since you can never fully erase things, it's still easy to see! That's just my fade prevention technique, and it works!
This was literally so helpful for me, thanks dude!
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Pretty much anywhere online that sells Copics has it, like otakufuel and oozak.
Most Bristol Boards such as Canson and Strathmore will take ink readily. It isn't overly cheap though. Just something smooth and relatively heavy weight will carry the ink well.
Your tutorial is a lot more helpful than the past ones I've seen. Thank you.
Awesome tutorial Baylee!!
today i was searching online for some g pens and ink, once i saw this video it helped alot, those inks are all very good individually but over all i love the deleter ink
i just went ahead and bought cheap deleter ink 6 and a deleter g pen right now and i cannot wait to put it to the test! :)
nice vid the ink breakdown matrix was really handy thanks for doing that!
Someone told me tea works well, but I've never tried it myself. I always manage it get it off using water and my fingers.
I really would not suggest "burning" the nib at all. It can effect the delicate flexible metal. The only thing you should get rid of on a new nib, is a thin layer of oil that protects the nib after manufacturing, and that can easily be removed with 99% isopropyl alcohol and a paper towel. Just dip the nib in the isopropyl alcohol, get some isopropyl alcohol on the paper towel, and give it a good rub all over. Then just wipe it dry with the dry part of the paper towel, and it's good to go.
Honestly, if you're cleaning your nibs often, as you should, this won't be much of an issue anyway past the first time use.
Well the only thing you can do is use a beveled ruler, but it sounds like you've tried that. With a beveled ruler, one side doesn't touch the paper, so it's impossible to smear the ink unless you swipe the whole ruler across the ink. So I don't know how to help you if you can''t do that.
I don't know if this will work for dip pens, but you might want to get some brass sheet and floss between the tines.They are sold at Goulet Pens (and probably other places.)
I understand what you mean. The ink is running because it's a low quality paper.
This is some VERY thorough research! Thank you! :D
I still don't know if I'll switch to G-Pens, but this gives me a good idea about how they work.
Do you mean the texture of the paper is rough? Yeah manga manuscript paper is meant to hold up to gpens and maru pens.
Mine are still flexible. I only burned them once though. Thanks for the info!
Thanks!
Nice! Thanks for letting me know!
The link is in the description :)
Finally a left handed artist. Does anyone know how much easier it is to watch a lefty draw when you're left handed also?
You can buy the deleter ink on the deleter website, There's also a chart on that website that shows the differences of each ink. I hope that helps a lttle.
How did you get ink all the way up there? Haha. Did you rinse it out under running water while the ink was still wet? In the future you should only dip the metal part of the nib into the ink.
If you can, try and get hold of the Zebra brand G pen. Their awesome! They are 'softer' then the nikko and the tachikawas which feel a bit too rigid. Its got a good amount of flex without losing its robustness. Pelikan Drawing Ink A is matches up wonderfully with these dip pens and its also waterproof. Added bonus is its fast drying time.