They omitted the fact that Fitzroy were forced to merge so that Port Adelaide could get a spot in the AFL. And from the moment Fitzroy and Brisbane merged, the Lions and Port became arch rivals, and it turned out to be a great rivalry to watch
Very sad to see what happened however it is heartwarming for those Fitzroy fans to know that they still play and the club still exists (just in a lower league). A few years ago they had 1,100 members which is probably the biggest football club in Victoria outside the AFL. With my thinking why doesn't the club pull together and try and get a ticket into the VFL. Theirs potential there to be a succesfull club.
You know, it always saddens me to see traditional history filled clubs like Fitzroy get killed due to the greed of a big organisation. I agree - Good on Jimmy Brayshaw. I don't want to see North go the same way. I am a memeber of the Kangas now, and will be into the future. I'd just like one day, for people to remember that the Victorian clubs are the ones that were around first. I hope that Demetriou realises that whilst he plans new teams all over the country. Go the Roy boys.
@franjon no offence but i think the brisbane merger was alot more fairer, no in the super team department but the fact the roys werent gonna get anything in the north meelbourne merger, it was basicly a take over. least they got something outta the brisbane merger.
You make an excellent point. As an old Roy Boy I like the new away jumper. But I acknowledge that other supporters may prefer our maroon, blue and gold home jumper, or even our white clash jumper. So how do we honour the history of one merger partner without alienating the other? This is a vexed issue and every Lions supporter will have a valid opinion. I personally think the club is to be congratulated for trying new designs, unlike certain other 'traditional' clubs.
Should have just move to Brisbane in the 80s like they were offered. Or merged with North and let Richmond move up there. The 80s and 90s is full of fantastic what-ifs in VFL/AFL.
You want to talk about seeing your football team and history go interstate. You should try being a South Australian or Western Australian football supporter. The AFL has decimated both the SANFL and WAFL, and their teams have struggled, some have merged, but will not be killed off just yet ! Both these leagues have a long and illustrious history.
Spot on, I go for North and teams like Richmond, Melbourne and Western Bulldogs, we will always be in the merger talks. Fuck the AFL; what happened to Fitzroy was totally wrong and the AFL knew but like you said didn't care.
@zyoidburg So any Fitzroy fan can choose what works for them, some choose Brisbane, some North Melb, some other AFL clubs, some Fitzroy FC Roys, some other leagues, some choose to take a footy sabbatical. No-one has the right to judge them. Some abuse victims become law enforcement officers, some keep out of public, some become therapists. None are wrong. (to be continued, sorry, nearly done)
@zyoidburg I applaud the young fella on this comments feed that admits he now follows Collingwood. While I personally hate the Pies (don't half the footy world!?), the first image that came to mind was the banner at the last Roys match at Vic Pk. The league fined the cheer squad for it, AND THE PIES CHEER SQUAD STEPPED IN AND CONTRIBUTED TO PAY IT. That's football. Premierships are not football. Football, and only football, can ever be football. (sorry to talk your ear off)
i dnt think that it helps that theres no more roy boy boys playing anymore, but i do give credit to brisbane for atleast trying to keep that melbourne fanbase you kno??
i dnt think the SANFL will ever be re-branded by the AFL. who knows about the WAFL. seeing as i dnt live in perth, i dont kno if theres any plans to re-brand it self
@kgerlach01 yep its rough that Port are having strife, that should almost be impossible considering their history. I was an (armchair) West Torrens fan ... so I seem to have a curse going! Although apparently that merger was one of the less nasty ones. I have friends who follow Brissy now, and friends who follow the local (VAFA) Roys, and some who follow North, St Kilda, Melb, etc. Every one of them has made a choice that should be inarguable. And, of course, there's always the SAAFL Fitzroy :)
Brisbane winning those premierships had nothing to do with the merger , if anythng i'm not sure if they had bigger spending allowed from the AFL but if tt was the case it would certanly make sense why brisbane become as powerful as they did
@dannitori i used to love fitzroy, i always say the day fitzroy died was the day the AFL truly showed they had become a business about the money and not the people. us roys supporters were a happy and proud group of supporters, then our club was gone footy was no longer the same. fitzroy could of been saved but the AFL didnt care about the fans they couldnt hand out free money and now there are thousands of heartbroken people. brisbane is nothing like fitzroy.
@zyoidburg while some clubs continued to be sponsored by Pepsi or beer brands that competed with Coca Cola and CUB - AFL sponsors, 3) a novel approach to play matches in Canberra was outlawed - I don't know the reason they gave - but the AFL did state that it wasn't in their interest to have matches played in Canberra, so I'm glad that has never happened again since. (to be continued)
@DannyEmbling thank god, i was hoping this wasnt gonna turn into some stupid debate haha. my dad was a fitzroy supporter (he jumped onto brisbane straight away tho but i dnt think that makkes him any less of a supporter) so i basicly understand how you guys feel, spesh because the magpies are going thru it this year.
@zyoidburg I definitely agree with the VFL status option, Fitzroy FC P/L sponsored Coburg Lions into a name change to Coburg-Fitzroy Lions which lasted two years before Coburg's own financial ruin smashed that agreement were slobbered up by the perennially ethically challenged Richmond FC. (to be continued)
@zyoidburg There is now a VERY Fitzroy footy team running around in the VAFA which is much more Roynish than Brissie could be even if it tried its very best. Ground: Brunswick St Oval, Guernsey: red, gold blue, FFC monogram, Operation: the actual same Fitzroy FC admins that went down with the torped ship in 1996, and rose again magnificently, Song: Fitzroy's theme, players:include the grandson of a FFC premiership player (to be continued)
@zyoidburg Actually it was fabricated to sound good. The video includes comments that for Fitzroy "there was no white knight", when 1) Bernie Ahern (RIP) made a financial guarantee for the FFC, so the AFL enacted a new rule forbidding white knights from guaranteeing loans in the future, 2) Galaxy (the Pay TV network) signed off on a sponsorship deal with FFC so the AFL quashed it claiming a competition issue with the AFL sponsors,(to be continued)
@zyoidburg Other falsities include a defensive stance for Oakley who is the only point where all major religions agree in their versions of hell, and Mike Sheahan's manufactured care for Fitzroy, where in reality he dug up every piece of dirt he could find in order to advance his journo role, as is greatly implicit in the murder. (to be continued)
@kgerlach01 Fair enough, I'm a Roys fan not a Port fan - only a Port fan could know what is the most Port-like to them. 1 thing I've learnt from the Roys is that only the fans have the right to decide what works for them, an outsider's opinion can and should go to blazes. Its all about whichever way your heart leads you! If you're a Port fan, what you say goes. If you were a fan of another SANFL club, you & I would both need to shut up and let the Alberton mob make their own choices :-)
The superteam thing was bullshit. Who did North Melbourne play off against in the preliminary final that year? Who played Carlton in the qualifying final the year before? The AFL just wanted a top team in Queensland to justify the money they had outlaid to have a team there in the first place to rake in the extra millions.. Greed, greed, greed. This is what happens when you have business people running the show.
how much do you bet that theyll do the same wen the gold coast come in??? i feel one of the reasons whye they didnt help the roys was bcoz they had the powers commin in the next yr so they just didnt care.
@DannyEmbling well no offence but the power dont represent the passion or history, not by a long shot. i think the history goes to the club with the same name (magpies) same colours, same gurnsey, same song.
This sounds harsh but why wasn't Fitzroy considered for VFL status would have been at least some sort of consolation then moving to brisbane but really fitzroy by stealth did win three premierships you can't deny that this story is at times fabricated to make it sound bad when really it was a new beginning for a club given a second chance why can't these old fitzroy fans see this who have shunned the game for the ones who remained lions fans your the ones who need to be saluted and congratulated
@kgerlach01 it was basically a take over,the bears gave up alot for fitzroy but think of this how much fitzroy do we see in the brisbane to date? me hardly any they have pretty much forgot fitzroy and they are their own team, brisbane lions is brisbane lions. no brisbane bears no fitzroy except for the bbfffc on the back of their guernsey.
@DannyEmbling one thing imo killed west torrens and that was bringing in woodville, never shouldve happend, why not a side from mt.cambier? or somthing like that, it couldve easily worked, but they fucked up.
The Cheer Squad Said it best in there banner at Victoria Park Seduced by North, Raped by Brisbane, F####D the AFL. If u wanna see it google image Fitzroy Banner its Awesome.
i understand what you mean. im a huge port adelaide magpie suporter but i cant stand the port adelaide power, ever since the power joined the AFL the magpies have done nothing but struggle, all the money made at the club bar goes to the power nothing goes to the magpies. its just an apsolute disgrace.
@rickroxall stay on the bullies mate, they'll get one soon. I remember marching in to some law office in Footscray to hand $100 over to the collectors, and Peter Gordon himself was there taking donations so I got to drop it right into the hands of Mr Chubbywig. (yes I'm a Fitzroy supporter but in 1989, if we didn't want to merge, the best way about it was to send a few bucks to the doggies)
Apologies but I hadnt seen this vid before (thanks emjoi!) and I immediately became a blubbering mess again, and couldn't keep my finger off the posting button. But ooooh there's some angering stuff in here, as well as the emotional stuff. How could Sheahan pretend he gave a shit? How could anyone defend the crusader Ross Oakley. Ah well, so long as they're consistent with the hardline approach. I'd hate to see them change tack and start $ handouts to struggling clubs. What?
MMMM lets see port and crows have won premierships and west coast oh and sydney and brisbane have won premierships ruffian 1868 your comments are pretty screwed AFL is trully AFL its not Vivctorian dominated thats just total non sense how can SANFL be a good league when one team like PORT MAGPIES WINS 37 premierships or something i say it must be pretty low standards of competition if their is such dominance i say those leauges just like VFL are just sadly fill ins to our footy community.
They omitted the fact that Fitzroy were forced to merge so that Port Adelaide could get a spot in the AFL. And from the moment Fitzroy and Brisbane merged, the Lions and Port became arch rivals, and it turned out to be a great rivalry to watch
I Bulldogs fan back in 19880s & stay has Bulldogs fan now in 2021 happy days back in 2016 Bulldogs was premierships
Very sad to see what happened however it is heartwarming for those Fitzroy fans to know that they still play and the club still exists (just in a lower league). A few years ago they had 1,100 members which is probably the biggest football club in Victoria outside the AFL. With my thinking why doesn't the club pull together and try and get a ticket into the VFL. Theirs potential there to be a succesfull club.
You know, it always saddens me to see traditional history filled clubs like Fitzroy get killed due to the greed of a big organisation. I agree - Good on Jimmy Brayshaw. I don't want to see North go the same way. I am a memeber of the Kangas now, and will be into the future. I'd just like one day, for people to remember that the Victorian clubs are the ones that were around first. I hope that Demetriou realises that whilst he plans new teams all over the country. Go the Roy boys.
Dad was a Fitzroy boy and still doesn't watch footy since the robbery
@kgerlach01 no offence but incorrect. Port Adelaide FC changed name to Port Power FC. The SANFL club Port Adelaide Magpies was the one formed in 1997.
this made me cry but like the guy said "nothing can fully compensate for the loss of fitzroys independent identity"
port magpies have won 36, as much as the power wants say they've won 34 of those premierships. they were formed in 1997.
@franjon no offence but i think the brisbane merger was alot more fairer, no in the super team department but the fact the roys werent gonna get anything in the north meelbourne merger, it was basicly a take over. least they got something outta the brisbane merger.
Wow. So North Melbourne literally had to win the flag to survive that year. Talk about earning it.
You make an excellent point. As an old Roy Boy I like the new away jumper. But I acknowledge that other supporters may prefer our maroon, blue and gold home jumper, or even our white clash jumper.
So how do we honour the history of one merger partner without alienating the other? This is a vexed issue and every Lions supporter will have a valid opinion. I personally think the club is to be congratulated for trying new designs, unlike certain other 'traditional' clubs.
Should have just move to Brisbane in the 80s like they were offered. Or merged with North and let Richmond move up there. The 80s and 90s is full of fantastic what-ifs in VFL/AFL.
You want to talk about seeing your football team and history go interstate. You should try being a South Australian or Western Australian football supporter. The AFL has decimated both the SANFL and WAFL, and their teams have struggled, some have merged, but will not be killed off just yet ! Both these leagues have a long and illustrious history.
Spot on, I go for North and teams like Richmond, Melbourne and Western Bulldogs, we will always be in the merger talks. Fuck the AFL; what happened to Fitzroy was totally wrong and the AFL knew but like you said didn't care.
i support collingwood but was a fitzroy fan
what happened to fitzroy was totally wrong sadly the afl is about the money now they dont care about the supporters we are just money trees to the AFL
@zyoidburg So any Fitzroy fan can choose what works for them, some choose Brisbane, some North Melb, some other AFL clubs, some Fitzroy FC Roys, some other leagues, some choose to take a footy sabbatical. No-one has the right to judge them. Some abuse victims become law enforcement officers, some keep out of public, some become therapists. None are wrong. (to be continued, sorry, nearly done)
The AFL could of saved that club but abandon it
@zyoidburg I applaud the young fella on this comments feed that admits he now follows Collingwood. While I personally hate the Pies (don't half the footy world!?), the first image that came to mind was the banner at the last Roys match at Vic Pk. The league fined the cheer squad for it, AND THE PIES CHEER SQUAD STEPPED IN AND CONTRIBUTED TO PAY IT. That's football. Premierships are not football. Football, and only football, can ever be football. (sorry to talk your ear off)
i dnt think that it helps that theres no more roy boy boys playing anymore, but i do give credit to brisbane for atleast trying to keep that melbourne fanbase you kno??
From 2011, there should be tribute to Fitzroy during Brisbane v Gold Coast derbys.
i dnt think the SANFL will ever be re-branded by the AFL. who knows about the WAFL. seeing as i dnt live in perth, i dont kno if theres any plans to re-brand it self
@kgerlach01 yep its rough that Port are having strife, that should almost be impossible considering their history. I was an (armchair) West Torrens fan ... so I seem to have a curse going! Although apparently that merger was one of the less nasty ones. I have friends who follow Brissy now, and friends who follow the local (VAFA) Roys, and some who follow North, St Kilda, Melb, etc. Every one of them has made a choice that should be inarguable. And, of course, there's always the SAAFL Fitzroy :)
why didnt they start a save fitzroy appeal but then again they were 6 mill in debt
Brisbane winning those premierships had nothing to do with the merger , if anythng i'm not sure if they had bigger spending allowed from the AFL but if tt was the case it would certanly make sense why brisbane become as powerful as they did
@dannitori i used to love fitzroy, i always say the day fitzroy died was the day the AFL truly showed they had become a business about the money and not the people. us roys supporters were a happy and proud group of supporters, then our club was gone footy was no longer the same. fitzroy could of been saved but the AFL didnt care about the fans they couldnt hand out free money and now there are thousands of heartbroken people. brisbane is nothing like fitzroy.
‘Lowly Brisbane bears ‘ finished 3rd and made the prelim in 1996😂
@zyoidburg while some clubs continued to be sponsored by Pepsi or beer brands that competed with Coca Cola and CUB - AFL sponsors, 3) a novel approach to play matches in Canberra was outlawed
- I don't know the reason they gave - but the AFL did state that it wasn't in their interest to have matches played in Canberra, so I'm glad that has never happened again since. (to be continued)
@DannyEmbling thank god, i was hoping this wasnt gonna turn into some stupid debate haha. my dad was a fitzroy supporter (he jumped onto brisbane straight away tho but i dnt think that makkes him any less of a supporter) so i basicly understand how you guys feel, spesh because the magpies are going thru it this year.
@zyoidburg I definitely agree with the VFL status option, Fitzroy FC P/L sponsored Coburg Lions into a name change to Coburg-Fitzroy Lions which lasted two years before Coburg's own financial ruin smashed that agreement were slobbered up by the perennially ethically challenged Richmond FC. (to be continued)
@zyoidburg There is now a VERY Fitzroy footy team running around in the VAFA which is much more Roynish than Brissie could be even if it tried its very best. Ground: Brunswick St Oval, Guernsey: red, gold blue, FFC monogram, Operation: the actual same Fitzroy FC admins that went down with the torped ship in 1996, and rose again magnificently, Song: Fitzroy's theme, players:include the grandson of a FFC premiership player (to be continued)
@zyoidburg Actually it was fabricated to sound good. The video includes comments that for Fitzroy "there was no white knight", when 1) Bernie Ahern (RIP) made a financial guarantee for the FFC, so the AFL enacted a new rule forbidding white knights from guaranteeing loans in the future, 2) Galaxy (the Pay TV network) signed off on a sponsorship deal with FFC so the AFL quashed it claiming a competition issue with the AFL sponsors,(to be continued)
Wow that sucks i mean i'm not a fan of Fitzroy or Brisbane but Isn't Fitsroy supposed to be like a legendary team?
@zyoidburg Other falsities include a defensive stance for Oakley who is the only point where all major religions agree in their versions of hell, and Mike Sheahan's manufactured care for Fitzroy, where in reality he dug up every piece of dirt he could find in order to advance his journo role, as is greatly implicit in the murder. (to be continued)
@kgerlach01 Fair enough, I'm a Roys fan not a Port fan - only a Port fan could know what is the most Port-like to them. 1 thing I've learnt from the Roys is that only the fans have the right to decide what works for them, an outsider's opinion can and should go to blazes. Its all about whichever way your heart leads you! If you're a Port fan, what you say goes. If you were a fan of another SANFL club, you & I would both need to shut up and let the Alberton mob make their own choices :-)
haha my dads name is gerlach n hes a glenelg supporter haha but your totally true about the AFL
The superteam thing was bullshit. Who did North Melbourne play off against in the preliminary final that year? Who played Carlton in the qualifying final the year before? The AFL just wanted a top team in Queensland to justify the money they had outlaid to have a team there in the first place to rake in the extra millions.. Greed, greed, greed. This is what happens when you have business people running the show.
how much do you bet that theyll do the same wen the gold coast come in??? i feel one of the reasons whye they didnt help the roys was bcoz they had the powers commin in the next yr so they just didnt care.
@DannyEmbling well no offence but the power dont represent the passion or history, not by a long shot. i think the history goes to the club with the same name (magpies) same colours, same gurnsey, same song.
This sounds harsh but why wasn't Fitzroy considered for VFL status would have been at least some sort of consolation then moving to brisbane but really fitzroy by stealth did win three premierships you can't deny that this story is at times fabricated to make it sound bad when really it was a new beginning for a club given a second chance why can't these old fitzroy fans see this who have shunned the game for the ones who remained lions fans your the ones who need to be saluted and congratulated
@kgerlach01 it was basically a take over,the bears gave up alot for fitzroy but think of this how much fitzroy do we see in the brisbane to date? me hardly any they have pretty much forgot fitzroy and they are their own team, brisbane lions is brisbane lions. no brisbane bears no fitzroy except for the bbfffc on the back of their guernsey.
@DannyEmbling one thing imo killed west torrens and that was bringing in woodville, never shouldve happend, why not a side from mt.cambier? or somthing like that, it couldve easily worked, but they fucked up.
@dannitori exactly what i say its about the money not the people now. look at what happened to waverly park heaps of people loved that place.
So am I. Go The Mighty Bays !
you had some great future players in those days, imo
@kgerlach01 yep they needed an open slot for the Power to drop into.
The Cheer Squad Said it best in there banner at Victoria Park Seduced by North, Raped by Brisbane, F####D the AFL. If u wanna see it google image Fitzroy Banner its Awesome.
This situation sounds just like what the Gold Coast will be in a few years
Still waiting pal , things are actually looking up for them
Of course its not going to be the same - Its a Merger!
i understand what you mean. im a huge port adelaide magpie suporter but i cant stand the port adelaide power, ever since the power joined the AFL the magpies have done nothing but struggle, all the money made at the club bar goes to the power nothing goes to the magpies. its just an apsolute disgrace.
@rickroxall stay on the bullies mate, they'll get one soon. I remember marching in to some law office in Footscray to hand $100 over to the collectors, and Peter Gordon himself was there taking donations so I got to drop it right into the hands of Mr Chubbywig. (yes I'm a Fitzroy supporter but in 1989, if we didn't want to merge, the best way about it was to send a few bucks to the doggies)
Apologies but I hadnt seen this vid before (thanks emjoi!) and I immediately became a blubbering mess again, and couldn't keep my finger off the posting button.
But ooooh there's some angering stuff in here, as well as the emotional stuff. How could Sheahan pretend he gave a shit? How could anyone defend the crusader Ross Oakley.
Ah well, so long as they're consistent with the hardline approach. I'd hate to see them change tack and start $ handouts to struggling clubs. What?
haha mate we wont win another premiership for 10 years, BTW its 36 haha
gee 37 premierships is a big struggle man in your clubs history lmfao
@83petro i didnt want to support a brisbane team thats all.
MMMM lets see port and crows have won premierships and west coast oh and sydney and brisbane have won premierships ruffian 1868 your comments are pretty screwed AFL is trully AFL its not Vivctorian dominated thats just total non sense how can SANFL be a good league when one team like PORT MAGPIES WINS 37 premierships or something i say it must be pretty low standards of competition if their is such dominance i say those leauges just like VFL are just sadly fill ins to our footy community.