Are Tech Youtubers Lying To You ?
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I absolutely adore Prime. and his reaction when he was mentioned is something I will never forget.
I still can't believe I am featured on his channel today, after multiple years of me watching him. My UA-cam goals are complete lmaoo.
Because of him, I am now even more motivated to create good content which is helpful to people.
Btw, I am NOT a PAID ACTOR lmaoo. Some people genuinely appreciate other people, you know.
I hope you know I loved this video and I think that you did an amazing job at so much of it. I hope you never think that I am dunking on you at any point.
I really just tried to do a good job of agreeing and disagreeing based on my own experience
I may not have agreed with everything you said, but I absolutely love the enthusiasm!
Happy for you Sid
@SidTheITGuy you peaked here! XD
I hate how people only think computer science jobs exist only in web dev, there are other fields too, not just react and node shit
Even outside of those two there is other web dev stuff.
@@XDarkGreyXyeah there’s all the other JavaScript frameworks too 🤣
Such as?
DevOps…
Embedded engineer is a-firing their lazars
That's very dependend on your location, most markets don't have jobs outside of webdev
Primagen the only guy who can turn a "yes" into an 1h video
Have you heared about Baldee?
that means hes good at what he does lolol
@@exginto8053 no why?
Mate he’s getting better… used to only get to 30mins.
If u watched the video, he disagreed with a ton of stuff
Tech UA-camrs makes you feel that the web industry is the only thing in existence.
as a webdev trying to do literally anything else related to programming, it does feel like that
@@monolith-zl4qtno way, try contributing to kernel
That's exactly why I found tsoding as such a huge refresher. I highly recommend his channel if you haven't heard of him.
@@monolith-zl4qtwebdevs do tend to encase every domain they touch in a hard, slick, enamel casing of javascript so you're not entirely wrong.
@@monolith-zl4qtI think the reason people feel "tech youtube" is covered in web dev is in large part due to it being one of the easiest to talk about (the other being game development). It has a low barrier to entry; it changes frequently; *everyone* is constantly interacting with it.
If isn't specifically "tutorial" tech youtubers, I can toss a couple recommendations.
Sebastian Lague does "Coding Adventures" on dives into his attempts to make things (usually 3D based). He even throws up the source code for his projects.
Ben Eater does low level analysis and projects (examples: USB interface analysis and building a breadboard cpu with video output)
ThinMatrix makes a devlog on his long running game development project w/i a custom game engine (more focused on *why* he builds certain things rather than how)
KRAZAM creates skits for when you want to feel more existential dread about your job in tech
Advanced tutorials are called books
I've seen those in the background of videos and wondered what they were for
I must have read a good majority of books on...sites for pdfs. (libgen)
I'm calling cap on that, lots of books where they dont even show right thing for learning purposes. Advanced tutorials is you just have to do the thing.
I treat programming like painting. You could read all the concepts and theory about color/composition, etc. But you dont really understand it till you put it into practice.
So true lol
@@jamesarthurkimbellhahaha
Nah, advanced tutorials are conference talks and papers. Most books are pretty basic, even those marketed as "advanced" or "expert".
27:38 "the harder I work, the luckier I get" THIS IS SO STRONG
Haha I missed that gem thank you
Watched the original video, watched theos review, now watching primes review. Basically my life right now😭
The slop machine is going strong right now
Sorry about that. lmao. But I'm loving it !!!
I thought I had seen this already, and it was a rerun. I guess I must've watched Theo's video.
lol I always end up back on the original documentation because UA-camrs oversimplify everything and make it 10x more difficult because they’re afraid to go into how it works, which makes my brain just reject it and I forget the next day because I NEED to know WHY things work
This is why I don't watch most tutorials. It drives me crazy.
I think his point about meritocracy is correct. You mentioned yourself if you can hire someone less competent to do the job and learn on the job is more ideal for companies. That is not meritocracy, its opportunism. Now I don't think its wrong but its definitely not meritocracy because if it was you would hire the more competent person with the higher income expectation. But companies basically want experienced developers at the cost of hiring juniors.
Yeah, that was a weak point by him.
Yes, merit is not the primary metric looked at. It's much more of a "cost per merit" type calculation. Companies generally don't want the most qualified person, they want the best deal. Which is completely fine by the way. I'm not knocking against that. But I don't think that's strictly meritocratic.
I disagree with this take. You can’t associate hiring cost with merit. That’s unsustainable. Companies don’t have endless capital. It’s still meritocratic because if both the skilled engineer and the unskilled engineer were the same cost, the skilled engineer would be hired. From your vantage point, the top 0.1% engineers could theoretically ask for $10M a year, and if they don’t get hired it’s not a meritocracy.
@@AD-wg8ik meritocracy is purely picking someone based on their ability. Again I would call it opportunism. You will never find an experienced dev wanting to do the work for the pay of a junior. (Unless they are desperate)
@@AD-wg8ik >introduces strawman
>"this isn't a meritocracy!"
ok
the instant glow up in his face @1:00:30 HAHAHAHAH
I really hope I'm in the dumbest room because if I'm the 1 percent we are in trouble.
us bro us 😆😂
We're all in the bottom 1% bro the top 1% is beyond the comprehension of mere mortals.
@@theairaccumulator7144 prime is also in bottom 1%
Strive for the 51 percentile... If you can do better than half your peers, you're golden
I think Prime is a bit confused here, OP is not talking about UA-cam content creators like him or his buddies he's talking about the "learn Python in 4 hours" courses "creators" which he or any of his buddies or what we know as "tech UA-cam" is not doing at all.
Prime also has tutorial courses in different subject matters (in the past at least). It probably triggered him a little.
But Prime is a really good programmer and has some correct wisdom/experience with it.
Prime is the instructor for multiple courses...and working on more...
But OP is also making WIDE ranging general statements that aren't really justifiable without far more qualification to the statement.
@@thekwoka4707 the guy's right, give me a break
Prime i think you're confusing "good engineer" with "top 1%".
you can be a good, or even really good engineer, without being "top 1%"
1% is an adjective that Corp types use to categorize and test their subjects. Most of time these types define 1% as "the top 1% of money." So a "1 percenter engineer" is someone making that tax 3 bracket of profit in the industry.
There is no such thing as a 1% programmer. I know a guy who made an IBM software/firmware in 1999. He still gets royalties from it up to this day. He's really done nothing else, but he's set for life. He sucks at programming and engineering. He got lucky. He's top 1% earner though in the CS field, but he's below mediocre.
1% is an arbitrary value and there is no actual stated metric, but we can assume the company means top 1% in profitability
@@complexity5545You sound bitter.
@@TheOriginalBlueKirby Nah, I'm one of the 'richer" ones. I'm just letting you guys know how corp management types think. I'm an entrepreneur and own an S-corp and LLC -- I contract hire the corp types. I make the product and software and I need the greedy corp-types to sell it. I guess I'm considered 1%, I have to do everything when the crap hits the fan. Liability in the Assets = Equity + Liability always comes down to the owner(s).
@@complexity5545 Yeah sure bud. That's what they all say.
Shout out to the 90s single mom's. Even with a step dad, i was raised by her.
PHP 10+ years ago is how i starred on my path currently. I wrote a very basic customer management application for a snall business and I learned sooooo much from that. The code horrifies me now, but it makes me happy to know i can horrifiy myself
"Nobody wants to watch advanced tutorials" I can absolutely relate to this. There are so many topics id cover that are so invredibly niche, just for them to get 800 views at most. I love coding, and covering stuff, but i cant see myself making a huge amount of money covering advanced topics code or otherwise.
Because anyone with any skill in software development isn't watching a tutorial.
I know guys whose career track is entirely stealing credit for everything good that happened at their old jobs on their way to new ones, and moving on again in less than 18 months before anyone quite expects them to catch up with their own hype.
Another thing with advanced tutorials is that there are a lot more advanced topics. So even if there were the same number as beginner tutorials, there's only a few beginner topics that everyone tutorializes, but hundreds of advanced topics, maybe a few of which have tutorials.
"Just because something bad happened to you does not mean it has to be bad forever." TRUTH!!!! I just found your channel a week ago and I just want to say that I appreciate the honesty and passion that you bring to this space. If I hadn't fought my way through addiction, depression, and the other things in life that made me want to end it all I wouldn't be who I am today. I haven't "won" my battles or conquered the demons, but I can guarantee you that my life experience has made me a stronger and better person than many who have had it easier. You have to have experienced some shit to have empathy and want to help others. Keep doing what you are doing. You're a real one! Thanks!
I love opening a Primetime reaction video seeing it's over 4x longer than the video it's reacting too.
Can tell it's about to get extra spicy!
You are missing the context that OC is from India, things work significantly different there due to sheer number of people.
That is true, but we Indians are also selfish, I mean that's my experience as an Indian.
@@ezpie7973 I disagree with this statement. Indians are no more or no less selfish than any other nationality. The "selfish" behavior you may come across is simply due to resource scarcity as compared to population. It's just a strategy for survival, competition quickly gets replaced with cooperation if you are in a more abundant environment, like US/EU.
@@ezpie7973 may I use this in arguments and point to your confession?
He is not ignorant to that
@@XDarkGreyX If you wanna be a racist, sure. Indians are no more or no less selfish than any other nationality. People opt for competition in resource-scarce environments and opt for cooperation in resource-abundant ones.
But Prime is a Tech UA-camr. He would never lie to us. Therefore, no Tech UA-camr is capable of lies or deceit. Trust the .
Well prime sort of live streams in twich and then reuploads in youtube, but hey I agree with what ever prime says.
But good people like Prime, Theo, NCommander, Low Level Learning, etc are the exception
There are a lot of horrible tech UA-camrs, though it's getting better
A few years ago, the majority were horrible; toxic people like TechLead, Siraj Raval, Jomatech, etc dominated the tech sode of UA-cam
@@CoreDump451 Even Theo falls into the pitfall of "There's no developer outside a web developer", but otherwise yeah.
Took me 2 years to get my first dev job at the age of 30. In the meanwhile, I developed loads of different projects so I could run intro all sorts of problems and solutions. This set me up for my first job as a dev. My employer said one of the reasons he hired me was because I did all that for 2 years not giving up.
FireShip does sell AI as the career ender but I think it's mostly sarcastic. I understand juniors feeling super anxious though.
i liked all the points that primeagen made but fireship did made the gpt craze a lot louder in their videos. in its peak fireship was posting a few videos a week and most of them were about the updates in ai and gpt in specific.imo now they have settled down and its much more palatable though
Thats because he is a content creator he’s going to talk about what everybody is talking about, that’s why it’s called the code report. The summary report of the discussion and update on the topic. If that weeks hype is in ai he’s gonna talk about ai if it’s on react he’s gonna talk about react. And these report are foundation to do your own research and learn more.
He just wants to put food on his family.
@@ugib8377lol
@@ugib8377 "putting food" is when you are desperately looking for any job, because your family literally have no money and the rent is due. When you are rich and successful, hiring people to do edits and research its called "increasing revenue"
15:00 the main reason why I wouln't watch advanced totorials is, because why would I listen to someone explain it to me in 1 hour, what I can read in 5 minutes documentation?
And because you are advanced you know already how to learn and that is just try it out until it works!!
DAMN that transition was smooth as soon as you were mentioned
Whenever I get stuck and need motivation, i always come back to this primes video to watch last 15 mins.
SWE in India with no degree. Culture is very hard. Even if developers at a company wants you, HRs and Management usually ruin things and you always get unsolicited advice from people to go back to college. Still, college is a complete waste of money with no value in india unless you're from IIT, NIT which really matter a lot here.
But once you're in the industry and at your job - none of it matters, your skills speak for yourself. And I'd rather buy a 800₹/10$ course from a UA-camr like Primeagen, or somewhere i find value rather than paying 20 lacs/ ~25,000$ and wasting 4 years to learn nothing from teachers who have never worked on a piece of code with any users.
Yeah but millions of Indians are going for very few low skill jobs. It'll never work.
A possible explanation for "there are so many beginner courses, but so few advanced courses in comparison" is that a lot of people can pump out some beginner courses after finishing a boot camp (and maybe working for a while), while far fewer people can even understand, much less teach advanced topics.
Or it's that anyone with any skill in software development isn't watching courses
There are only beginner courses being promoted by UA-camrs because intermediate and expert people have already learned how to learn, so they will go to docs and finding their own research, UA-cam wouldn't help them.
Uncle Steph ‘s video about Laravel was not a knock on php. He’s actually a fan of php and laravel. I watch Uncle Steph .. that’s his kinda alias .. he mostly never recommends one language over another, he’s more on the side of which language or languages or stacks will get the job done. A lot of this coding languages can perform similar operations and can produce the same end result just in a different packaged way.
I’ve learn PHP, JavaScript, Go, and now Python and some Swift.. and like Prime always says.. build something - best advice!
I feel so outta place because everything is mostly JS and webdev and I work in C++ and embedded.
First came across this through Theo and closed it after the opening line and Theo saying exactly in agreement. There's no way something like that can be done properly while still being relevant to everyone watching.
They call out UA-camrs using money for views, yet they also assume that people watching the videos are all looking for jobs or work in the field, when many people are just interested in a technology or picking up a hobby.
I only came across the tech UA-cam space recently and enjoyed Fireship's videos, learning a lot by drawing my interest due to his style and making me want to make stuff for myself. I'd hate if he suddenly tried to shove jobs down my throat. Like now I've been trying to make stuff, I consider getting Fireship Pro to support him as extra thanks for supplementing this interest that no one else could for me while also potentially allowing me to further that, but its really all about the want to support than the need as there's more than enough available for free.
He's also very clear in his content when the topic of jobs is brought up too. For example, he'll talk about Svelte and how awesome it is but he still lets you know it's not good if you're looking to get hired because everyone hiring is looking for React. But it's fun, so here's Svelte, and so on..
Load of waffle from me and idk if it makes sense but just thought i could share my experience as someone relatively new to the space.
The bit about tutorials makes sense. Once you are at the point where you want "advanced" tutorials, it is usually faster to read about specific things you don't understand (exceptions are really complicated problem spaces) -- because you already have a fundamental understanding of whatever it is you're working on.
Beginner tutorials help get you that fundamental understanding and they have a super-low barrier to entry
Companies also refuse to train as well, so maybe we should all become contracters because that how companies treat developer in general if you are entry level.
Yeah advanced vids would be cool but when you're at that level, you're already comfortable with going to the official docs and just reading the thing and building whatever you were trying to build. You no longer need someone to take your hand and show you step by step how to do the thing and explain to you a whole bunch of super basic stuff you need as context. There's just no need. Still would watch though. Like I'm watching this even though I don't technically need it rn lol
I absolutely disagree with the take that there is comparatively little content for intermediate and advanced engineers on YT. Essentially all the conference talks fall into either of these two categories, and in a lot of cases the content from talks that are not immediately applicable to the niche/language you are working in still provides creative nudges in what you might want to try or look into in your niche/language. These aren't tutorials, of course, they're nudges and nods towards topics that you as someone who's got some experience under their belt can then go an expand upon. Self direction in learning is probably the most crucial skill you can develop as a software engineer, except for maybe being a person people actually want to be around.
his video really blew up
@33:00
I agree. Fireship's tone has actually been more sarcastic about the whole "developers! be afraid of AI" thing.
I occasionally do watch more meaty stuff. It is still in the beginner domain but more meaty. Like Computer Science courses from MIT courseware. Courses on Theory of Computation, Algorithms. Judea Pearl’s causal inference stuff
Learning is often a rear view activity , and if you can look in someone else's rear view,I think you'll save yourself from a lot of heartache. 👏👏
On doing software engineering for the money - my take is that there are two layers. Layer 1 is the one many of us occupy, myself included. I work in the advertising space, which is something I am disinterested in to the point that I make an effort to block or pay my way past every ad I encounter. However, the problem solving of debugging issues, the art of designing scalable systems and the grunt work of implementation are all things I find interesting, which allows me to overlook my disinterest in the business. Where this hurts me is when the job is burocracy, since I'm unable to motivate myself to do a good job on paper pushing tasks to achieve something I don't particularly care about, but when it comes to code and architecture I always do my best to deliver the highest quality software to my ability. If I didn't find the technical work interesting, I could probably still get a job with a high salary but my work would not be high quality because I wouldn't go the extra mile when my paycheck is already secured.
I somehow also feel like it's a "problem" how software engineers are to a certain degree expected to be incredibly passionate about their job, to not only treat it like a job, but also have it as a hobby. I see how this expectation can be toxic for certain people.
Most days, when I get home from work, what I want to do is to make food, go cycling, play a game, not write more code and design more software.
Normally I agree with Prime, but when he said "You think you do but you don't" reminded me to much of Blizzards Allen Brack telling gamers they didn't want classic WoW with those exact same words... so the community continued to run Pirate servers for it for years. I think he would be surprised how many of us do watch advanced tutorials.
29:07 You're totally correct, I left my job as a auto tech to make double the money working for AAA. 12hr/5 days a week changing tires on the freeway, changing batteries and fixing cars. Money was great until, they were putting our safety at risk, reduced our earnings and cut our staff. Now theirs no amount of money in the world that would make me care about the job. I love helping people but not at the sacrifice of my life.
No industry operates soley on a meritocracy. We'd all like that but from an early educational/work life we're taught to network because "It's not what you know but who you know". Of course, this is overly simplistic. Obviously it's a mixture. For some positions it is absolutely what you know but again, that's a mixed bag. I don't know about FAANG companies but as someone that been an electronic technician/engineer for the government for over 20 years with several certifications and degrees I've been passed over for positions by people with less than 5 years of experience (or no experience) and journalism degrees, if they even had one.
I disagree with the statement that people don't want advanded programming videos. Sebastian Lague is doing between intermediary to advanced programming stuff (in my eyes) and the views can go to the millions.
Sebastian Lague’s videos are insanely high quality. Most of his projects would already be a ton of work on their own, but he goes and makes beautifully scripted narratives out of it and programs tons of extra visuals to explain technical concepts. The amount of work that goes into it must be insane, but he always sounds so relaxed and you can hear his smile when he talks.
His videos capture the joyous part of programming so well. I’m always inspired to work on my own projects after watching him
Primagen Im your "JABRA FAN" ive learned a lot from you ❤
Also took the algorithm course you made
The thing which pisses me of is that prime is saying from the perspective of a content creator, they should be allowed to make content, monetize it, sell something yada yada yada, but what is missing here is the consumer side, in india fear is prevalent when it comes to unemployment, and fear mongering is the way creators take advantage of people. Another thing he assumes is that people have the basic knowledge or ability to recognize scams but if you see, the people that have access to internet in india then you will realize, most of them come from a very poor background where surfing the internet is considered a skill in itself, and you expect them to have this ability to recognize patterns, most of the parents of 90s with poor background even fear using tech. fearing that they may get screwed.
Really hoped that he would have looked more from the standpoint of the consumer instead of a content creator in this instance.
Still love to listen to primes takes on specific tech
But if you look at it like that, the guy in the video is also part of the problem, as some of his points demotivate people from viewing youtube which has enough content to build a career.
He damages his viewers by tunnel visioning them and then points fault to people that go against his opinions. Fearmongering in his own way.
Reality is not a safe haven where everything you think is correct, everything you disagree with is bad and harmful, that's why everyone should be allowed to make content, as most of what you think right now to be correct is actually just your delusions.
This, of course, creates the entry barrier that you mention, but if a person is not willing to dig through UA-cam off all places (not even coding itself) then they may be simply not valuable enough for the industry.
TLDR. Skill issue.
People need to take responsibility for their own actions.
If you're so scared you won't get hired. Maybe it's not for u?
by the time you do "advanced stuff", you are already competent and don't need advanced tutorials.
I agree that a meritocracy is ideal, but I'm not going to kid myself and act like everyone agrees with that sentiment. There's sadly a lot of people who view meritocracy as inherently unfair. Also just like with any other industry getting a job at your ideal company is more about who you know than what's on your resume. It's not a either or situation though.
Maybe advanced tutorials is the wrong name, but there are channels, that do solid advanced overviews about certain topics, that I love like gold, as all they do is cover an entire topic, so that I can quickly check if I have understood all, or see if there is something inside, that helps me solve an advanced issue.
There are some really common red flags i see when hiring, like only building mindless crud apis and hopping between jobs every 6 months, and it seems to be a cultural problem. People need to stop doing that, build interesting things, show that they can work on a variety of problems, show that they are interested in the job instead of interested in trying to hop the ladder etc. The number of awful applications that people send is insane and it makes the people doing the hiring just reject instantly without any remorse.
i think the issue is bad management and bad incentives for the employees, this only motivates people to leave the company as switching will anyway give them better salary than a promotion
THIS, people build todo list, calculator, etc and think that’ll get them in the door. Then go complain how nobody is hiring😂 I thought this too until I built a complex crm and showcased it, I got hired pretty fast. Employers are looking for those BIG projects not 10 small ones
@@doriancerutti5331 Nice. I like this. Spicy. That's why I built the AminoSee DNA visualisation. It converts DNA into an image. Technically useless and an art piece. I kinda forgot to polish it though so I dunno if it isn't broken how I left it oops. It's cos I got high. My first node CLI app is the truth of it.
Not sure about engineers, but at least for the company i work for you can expect general support to take roughly 6 months to learn everything.
An engineer jumping every few months is no good fit for anyone.
For the people starting out, you need to realise that there always will be people better than you.
And as a beginner, you can't become 99%tile when you 'begin'.
To become one, you have to stick for long enough ans branch out to become a category yourself.
(this came from me recently joining gym, i cant become the most jacked dude in the gym in a month, thinking of competition will be stupid, over time i will have achieved my goal that is to be strong and good)
- When it comes to advanced tutorials and courses on UA-cam, I Agree. Unless you search them out specifically, you are most likely not watching them. YT lives from "Entertainment" no matter how hard you slam that "Education" category in your UA-cam-Studio.
If someone wishes to learn, they'll get annoyed by interruptions through unfunny jokes. If they wish to get entertained, they'll get bored by dry education.
That does not mean, that there can't be great advanced tutorials here though.
I got my Java (and by extension, OOP) Start thanks the TheNewBoston Channel and their, now 14 Years old, extensive course on Java.
But, with how much UA-cams priorities have changed over time, a course like this would probably never be lucrative to make today.
- Fireships AI "Phase" (in big air-quotes) was an annoying with how much he leaned into it, but I've never read his "AI will come for you Jobs" statements as sincere.
I guess this boils down to Humor and Sarcasm being hard to read on the Internet.
If you don't know his content, than his dry type of humor could read as fearmongering.
I don't even code, but your content is entertaining, and when you said "Consider Communism? I did. No." had me sold as a fan.
wait, I'm supposed to be UPDATING my linkedin? I haven't touched it in the 10 years since I got my job.
5:08
Abdul Bari woke up,
Chose to be a Hero,
And left like nothing happened. ❤
"This guy tim making a video gpt will replace programmers and then makes a short 'no they won't' thats a good arc" youre forgetting that shorts dont have nearly the same reach/audience as the video though. It's a veru different audience watching shorts, for a good arc something that was noteworthy enough to be frontpage of your media the retraction should be noteworthy enough of a frontpage of your media
You are absolutely correct in the sense that shorts do not have the same reach as long form, they typically have significantly larger reach potential
@@ThePrimeTimeagen They have higher numbers, but not in the same audiences as main videos about programming from what I've seen, I honestly don't know anyone actually jumping into dev that watches shorts
Meta and beginner contents are always the low hanging fruits, the world needs more reaction and javascript tutorials. There are still the OG tech youtubers who have real contents, like Bo Qian or Javidx9.
TIL nail clippers cannot be used on a dinosaurus ❤️ I love this guy. I can relate to his defeat, I’ve been there!
"UA-camr" general advice is all a senior developer will tell you because we went trough it and that's how it works.
Fireship is too tongue in cheek but I see how the nuance can be lost in translation perhaps.
I like the idea of "don't make hyper transactional contents". It's much deeper the more you think about it.
I usually watch videos about stuff like language design, penetration testing or videos in which ppl are building compilers and stuff I think that’s fairly advanced
Yes very advanced to watch someone else build something
Watching someone else build something isn't an advanced tutorial
Trying to grasp the concept of what they are building in its entire complexity is what I am taking about. It’s like listing to a good piece of music, just randomly consuming these videos won’t get you anywhere.
@@AkiiiMatcha It's exactly like listening to good music. It might entertain you and give you some tingles, but you're not the one performing.
@@TheOriginalBlueKirby it’s exactly like listening to good music, you are trying to understand what people thought when creating it trying to understand its intricacies to grow and hopefully create equally meaningful experiences. Of course if you are just aimlessly consuming the content then you are wasting your time, but that’s not what I am talking about.
I feel like sosen like videos have a very important role in learning.
They are not about hownto solve that 1 specific problem. They show you how to think about your code. And also what good code looks like.
Its very opionated which is good it gives u a diffrent view on things.
3 years to get hired... No thanks, I will get forklift certified.
Yup, a complete waste of time and energy for something that's too late to catch.
@@egemen261 yeah, the demands and competition is way up there now while payouts are getting low
ngl the thumbnails are getting cringey. keep it oldschool mate
3:36 flip you are the best.
Now I really want to know where I fall on the Devin-Fireship spectrum...
@37:38 I believe he's talking about the fact some youtubers would be so quick to catch the trends without analysing it first. Especially, if they provide their opinions with unwavering certainty.
And I kinda agree. It's okay to make honest mistakes. That's only human. It's not okay, however, to make doom-and-loom videos just to cash views on the trends, and there've been a lot of that.
A couple things, from a (much smaller) UA-camr's perspective:
1) yes most youtubers are dishonest. When I say most, I mean by quantity. I would say most of the big names, at least in the english speaking space, are pretty honest. Fireship, Prime, Theo, WebDevCody, Tsoding, JBlow, Casey, they'll all tell you like it is. Frankly, the lying and game playing has diminished returns as your audience grows because you'll find more people will call you out on your bullshit.
2) there aren't as many advanced tutorials because 1 - people won't watch them. I create content on malware development and there's a nosedive in viewership that occurs right as I start talking about the Windows API. and 2 - most advanced developers have learned how to learn and know they need to read the bare minimum about the problem they're trying to solve, and they go solve it. That's what Casey, Prime and JBlow are good at.
3) you can blame UA-camrs all you want, but here's a flipped perspective: UA-camrs respond to what people will watch. That's their job, is to respond to the demands of their viewers based on the signals of viewership, watch time and likes. So you can blame UA-camrs, but perhaps some blame should be put on the fact that people click on videos with clickbait thumbnails and bullshit titles. Honestly, I get tired of folks complaining about clickbait when most people don't have the intellectual capacity to click on a video that doesn't have a cringe ass face in it. And yes, when you go to my channel, you'll see that I use them... because they work.
4) I really wish folks would stop complaining so much about financial incentive. Like yes, UA-camrs will try to get you to buy things. There is absolutely a bad way to go about it (TechLead) and a better way to go about it: offering value in exchange for money. Nobody is walking up to you in your office saying "wow, you're only writing that code because you get paid to do it, so sad you won't work for free" so stop getting mad when UA-camrs are trying to sell a course. If they're ripping folks off, yeah, get pissed, but reacting negatively to the entire idea of a UA-camr trying to sell stuff is silly.
Anyways... back to Rust I go. Good vid Prime
Starting on B can be too hard, starting A might be needed, but sticking to A too long is bad. that’s how feel about AMOS, it creates to get started, it was powerful but slow, and had lots of limitation on resolution and colors, and type of thing that was possible to make in it. Doing what I did in AMOS, was too hard to do in C++ in the start, it did lot time to get point where can do everything did in AMOS in C++.
Working for a US company as a non-US employee. It is 100% not a meritocracy. Unless the criteria for meritocracy is that you get promoted faster because you are located where your management is located, work fewer hours than the remote office and require everyone to work in your TZ. Then yes, meritocracy.
Otherwise I can say with 100% confidence that the US software dev market is made up with people with highly inflated egos about their abilities compared to their counterparts outside of the US.
there's a niche of videos about advanced topics that glance over how something is done, but they don't give you experience of how to do something - that's what you obtain by practice
Mind that some companies say they pay relocation from another country but this sometimes has lent itself for some sort of human trafficking; they take your passport & hold you for work until they want.
There's the problem with the whole senior "i don't know what i'm doing" shtick where you know enough to be effective, even when you might do some things wrong, but you're so good at doing it wrong it takes no time at all giving the impression that you in fact, know what you're doing. When you know enough, you might not know, what you don't know and should know to be better. It's a conundrum that really can only be solved by exposure and experience.
I watch quite a bit of advanced content around c#. Mostly on how to reimplement certain features to gain a better understanding
I watched first 7 mins of this so writing to not lose my thoughts.
Prime is so. Out of depth in this one. He is completely right in his individual takes but is not getting the point the UA-camr is trying to make. This is india. You need to think in terms of sheer fuckin scale and supply and demand.
There be snake salesmen
This is rally good skill to talk on 14 to 15 minute video to almost 1 hours... As per my experience in software industry, Only beginners need basic video to learn.. but next will be all about experience and practise... If want to become to 1% then find what those to 1% doing to become top 1% and do the same...
And here is bro understanding both his and your context equally
1:06:45 - yeah? Well if you move zig, you know what you doing. FOR GREAT JUSTICE!
I really admire how he is abel to make an hour long video out of 14 ~ 16min video of something. Love your content!
I'd counter that the "no one wants advanced tutorials" is very much as untrue as the chat was saying, but it's that as you start to give more and more advanced advice and tutorials those things become more and more specific to a particular subfield. Eg: the advice to work on your portfolio applies to pretty much anyone interested in the field, but a video that gets into the weeds of what belongs in the service layer vs the data layer of an api server will only appeal to the fraction of your audience that understands what that means and is interested in backend development.
I have to disagree a bit regarding learning from JBlow and Casey Muratori - in Games most people I have worked with are lacking in their process - not general C/C++ knowledge. I think observing great developers doing deep work lets you emulate their approach and mindset.
After more consideration I have to ask - is this how I became an old grumpy C++ person?
The advanced stuff is there. But most will not watch it. Just look for the teacher or university professor putting up lectures and theory and stuff. There are also people you can watch on UA-cam or twitch showing and explaining their trade/ job (i.e. showing how to make a game with a game engine, programming, building hardware, etc.). It's just special interest. It's nothing with mass appeal.
Calling fireship one of the worst perpetrators is crazy lol, bro is immune to sarcasm.
57:21 rails is one of the greatest things ever
"I'm trying to be less reactionary in a sense." You should also be wary of knee-jerk contrarianism and civility discourse. Otherwise you can end up horse-shoeing and still overriding what the other person is saying with your own opinion.
An example being they may say something along the lines of "there isn't a top 1% of developers", the knee-jerk contrarian response would be, "Woe, I get you're trying to make a point, but you can't say things that are objectively false". Except in context what was actually being communicated is that "the idea of a "top 1% developer" as communicated by these youtubers does not exist, it's being used to make you feel a certain way and you should be aware of that". We can chalk it up to a failure in communication, but we can also see it as the opportunity to work on improving our comprehension and deduction skills.
Likewise, if the person is criticizing a bunch of other people for some behavior they appear to exhibit, the knee-jerk civility response would be, "I don't know if all these people actually support the argument or not, but you can't just criticize people like that. There are good people and bad people. I don't know if you actually just named all bad people, but it vaguely feels like you're being too negative so stop it." We don't have to agree with all the examples to still say, "I don't know if all these people are what this person says they are, but I ultimately dis/agree with the point being made about the behavior itself being bad." (Though I agree that misunderstandings / inaccuracies like that of Fireship should be readily called out.)
Don't engage words, engage ideas. Don't engage the strength of an opinion, engage the opinion itself. I can't fault one for wanting to see all the nuance in everything, we just need to be careful that those thought exercises don't interfere with our ability to receive the message being communicated. We should aim to understand and engage with the *spirit* of what's being said lest we fail to see the forest for the trees-left to shadowbox with machinations of our own design. There will always be interpretation and room for error. Balance comes not by eliminating extremes but by learning to flow effortlessly between them.
I'm top 1% in X. Bottom 1% in Y. The spread of the graph of software skills probably has the top 10% looking pretty similar to the middle 80%, in terms of general software capabilities.
probably fair
These dudes are flooding the internet since all the layoffs....like a dev tsunami
There’s so many things that go into getting a job. How you interview. What your attitude is. What the culture fit is. Primeagen would be a bad hire for a “do what your boss says and no freedom” role. I know people who somehow thrive in that.
I’ve hired tons of devs from different backgrounds. There’s no secret. Going to uni X, memorising sorting algorithms, etc. I want someone who will turn up, who is smart enough, and has a good attitude. Someone who will be honest and own fuck ups, and want to try interesting things. But I’m hiring for where I work. That’s culture.
Regret can be a weird ego thing. It’s telling yourself you’re so smart now if you had another chance you’d be amazing, but that’s probably not true, you’d just make different mistakes in new and exciting ways.
I mentor people, free to them. The way I make money is I have recruiters who give me a kickback for qualified leads.
That being said the companies are not super high quality in these scenarios. I make my money not on your entry level, it's when you want a senior role, lead role, staff role, or principal role. To date I haven't placed a manager, though I coach engineering managers
Also if anyone is wondering, my mentorship isn't anything secret. It's hard work which Prime discusses. Google GuyRose VendingMachine Kata, code that in any language you want to learn. Next do the Botwar Arena Kata using cloud infra (free tier aws). The last step is a project you care about. All of this on your github, on your linkedin, etc. The special part of the mentorship is interview prep and mock interviews.
You don't need me to do this, I have a lot of mentees at the moment. But if you're reading this and want to try to break into the industry, you CAN do it.
Plan for the long term, don't try to slam dunk 6 figures with no college, no experience. Your value add is that you CAN do the job cheaper than others.
1. I think you misunderstood the 1% concept. What you talked about pertains to skill levels-there are skilled and unskilled individuals. However, what he is discussing is how some UA-cam channels convince people that mostly the top 1% get hired, and we lack metrics to determine who is in the 1%, Different skill levels can still get hired.
2. You said he has no right to dictate what other people post or share, likening it to "MC syndrome," but that's incorrect. What he is advocating for is that people should research before posting to avoid misleading others, which is fair and not related to "MC syndrome."
3. Please listen to people and focus on what they say before commenting on their statements.
Thanks for the video.
This guy got me started on your videos.
Maybe not advanced tutorials per se, but you can find hundreds of advanced videos from a whole bunch of academic and commercial research groups that get only hundreds of views, while the merge sort tutorials get millions of views - the advanced videos are really not for large audience, they're basically for the the publisher's sake
If you're good enough to be advanced u shouldn't be watching tutorials
@@bobsemple9341 not true, plenty of reason to watch to recommend to others or develop your own teaching material. Even advanced users may need pointers for instruction, not to mention there could be tricks they weren't aware of
I was waiting for primeagen mentioned in that top 1% chat😊
the thing is everyone ive met that has generally done projects. gone to meetups and done hackathons have jobs. only people ive met that havent are oens that just follow tutorials online and jsut do generic kinda pre packaged projects and not there own. build something that makes your life better
The state of that guys t-shirt man… this is a man broken by the industry. At least that’s how I felt when my t-shirt got that dirty hahaha