PPD you're awesome for doing all those videos, especially this guide, it was very informative. I've been following your channel since forever.Thank you for your effort, and wish you good luck at the Majors.
Thanks PPD. Your guides give us that pro perspective, that extra bit of info that makes us understand why we do the things we do as opposed to just doing them blindly because we saw a pro do it.
Thanks for this guide, I almost never play support but getting an insight into other roles definitely helps me become a better player. Your warding tips were especially deep and useful.
Peter, youre such a nice man for doing this.. you spend your time helping all people out there, you have such a big heart, I am always happy to see such guides from you, and I wish to see more about drafting and support heroes. :))
thanks for the video Peter. as a 3.5k player who plays support 90% of my games and is trying to climb ranked only as a support (not an easy feat), I find the overall lack of advanced support tactics and videos on youtube disappointing. Videos like these help a lot. If you do anymore support videos in the future, as others have said, more analysis about rotations, when to smoke gank, positioning, etc, and perhaps other advanced support techniques would be appreciated!
Great tutorial ppd, thanks for taking the time to make it! One thing you mentioned was you can pull and stack dire hard camp at the same time. This is also possible with radiant hard camp if you pull them through the trees.
Thanks for the video, brother! It really helps to have these concepts explained clearly by someone that we have faith in. It is always harder to learn something if the person teaching it is an unknown; there is always an element of, "What if he doesn't really know what he is talking about?"
Hey PPD, great video, a lot of great little tips. One thing i felt is pretty good to mention is that; with the new radiant jungle hard camp next to the lane, you are able to pull it AND stack it if you pull it down into the lane at .53. This makes sure that the wave is cleared, as well as getting quite a bit of gold, because half of the camp should die if you attack them together with the creeps. If you get double ursa stack, or ursa+centaur camp, your wave will die very quickly, but this can be fixed by pulling the camp into the wave by grabbing it at .23, resulting in not stacking it but instead, most of the time killing half of the camp, leaving you with a possible pull+stack at .53 once more. The only problem i find with this pull is that your lane generally needs to be a little bit pushed, just above first row of trees. But if you have good synergy with your p1, he can help you out by freezing the lane further up by pushing the wave, leaving you with constant pulls, and still leaves him with freefarm and a lane kept closer your tower rather than the enemy tower. Anyone feel free to correct me on this if you think there are more efficient ways to maximize your gold in the safelane, i'm always looking to improve.
+Ken “CC” L dont leech exp from ur carry, zone the offlaner. if that works and ur carry is ahead in farm and levels he is fine alone. go gank/ward/stack. :) put a lane ward tho, so no one ganks ur carry. and buy a tp to counter ganks on any lane. most important thing.
+Ken “CC” L Have good map awareness, do your job and pay attention to your mid if they're being dived or you can gank, keep a smoke and a TP with you for the majority of the early game.
+Ken “CC” L 1st min in the game zone offlane, leave lane near 1:30 if you can and go pull, make sure you connect the pull then go check the rune at 2:00, see if enemy offlaner needs more zoning out, zone him out or go back to pulling and stacking, once you're lvl 2/3 you can gank mid and rotate and stuff, since by that time your carry should be ahead in levels. Do drop a lane ward if they have strong ganking supports, else just go and secure runes for mid and help out offlane and stuff. If you play the early game correct and team does not make many crucial mistakes you should win the mid game.
This video is pretty nice. I tend to find the hardest thing about support is decision making though, even at 2k people are pretty good at warding. Your treant video was very good in that regard. Keep them coming!
Awesome vid, thanks ppd. Would love to see some kind of follow up on how to play out a contested lane, either an aggro tri or more likely an aggressive dual lane. I think those sort of lanes come up a lot more than solo offlaners at lower MMRs, and an in depth vid on that subject would be super valuable to a lot of folks :D
Thanks so much for this video Peter.Playin pos.5 can be really frustrating but with this video I can really enjoy the role. Thanks again and Bleed Blue from Italy.
so amazing that you found time to make guide! it's very useful as for me in dewarding moment, I'm really messed up with this new map and too lazy to search in the internet the answers :D
I would really like to see a video about what supports usually do at different stages of the game, whether its early, mid or late game (mostly I'd like to know some timings, for example, when should you be ganking mid or babysitting your carry etc.) I watched a russian video made by NS which explained some of this stuff but it was pretty basic. And thanks for this video as well, I hope you keep making these type of guides for supports as it is quite hard for me to find informative ones, such as yours.
Thx ppd for the video. Some nice information on ward spots in there I didn't know yet. What I think a lot of players can improve most on in their support play is being efficient with your time. Could you maybe do another video (doesn't have to be as long as this) where you explain your decision making (when to babysit/zone, when to pull and farm, when to gank other lanes, whether to TP support your other lanes, when to check runes etc) I really think it there could be a lot interesting insight on how to make your early game movements as smooth and efficient as possible. Keep up the good work.
hi ppd, can i translate your video and put it onto a chinese website since we're not able to visit youtube in china? I will of course put your name and this url link together with the video!
thank you so much for this video. as a very new player almost all of the info was new and it's all very useful. thanks for taking the time to make these videos and for helping people be able to better play support.
Unbelievable. You really listen to your viewers. Thanks so much for this video, a lot of knowledge gained for players who want to play support. Keep on doing what you're doing, good job man. One last question though: In pubs you already see the team's lineup, how do you decide on what support hero to play? Like how would you decide whether it'll be a passive one (dazzle, treant) or an active one (tusk, earth spirit)?
1. How to deal with NP/LD manipulating the creep wave? 2. Is it better to single pull at 2:30 or 3:00? 3.Could you make a mid-game / late-game as a support video? Mostly decision making. Good video!
Great video, great simple explanation, nice view on the new patch and map changes and stuff. I really liked it. Thx for your efford to making this video.
Great video. Learned a lot about the pull and stack timings, and your insight into wards on the new map was very helpful. If you could do a guide on what support to pick given a certain draft (in terms of both your teams picks and the enemy picks) that would be really interesting. Cheers.
very nice,i would like to see more of your ingame thought proces,in team fights,depending on your items and etc. like you did in the last part of the video with wd and venommancer ! I think that would be very intresting. Anyways keep it up !!
tq this help me....many people do not know the art of supporting...they not easy as it seen..sometimes people pulling creep to lane also mess up,it very frustrating if u r the carry and the support do not know how to support...
Hey, man - really good content, thanks! One thing I would say is that I'm pretty sure camps are not blocked if their spawn box extends over lower ground and something is in that space on the lower ground during the minute mark; for example, with the radiant medium camp closest to bot rune or radiant's offlane hard camp. Even though the box extends over lower ground areas, I don't those spots block the spawn.
I tested those lower ground spots to see if they work before reading that comment and watching this video, and I can confirm that they work. Test it out for yourself in that custom game
Hey PPD love your videos. Great video, definitely helps new and intermediate supports get better. Could you put ut an advanced supporting guide, stuff like when to gank or when to stay in lane and protect your carry, how to deal with dual lanes, when to join your team for team fights or when to go be a bit greedy and farm a free lane. Thanks!
+stringduality sugoi is japanese for impressive or cool. People who stick random japanese words into sentences where it isn't at all relevant are generally called weebs or weabos. I'd understand if anime or japanese culture was mentioned in the context of the video, but it wasn't.
at 28:10 where you remove the tree to pull, it is possible to stack that camp without doing that, you can hug the edges of the trees and the creeps will somehow spot you and come around, do it at around 54 and then walk yourself out of the spawn box and it should stack (I learned this because I like to play sneaky sneaky and hug things to try and avoid getting spotted.. yeah it's in pubs, what about it, lol)
Finally, something to cure dota cancer. everyone really need to watch something like this instead watching the miracle 9k blabla rampage oh my god very good amazing carry silly build blabla.
This was extremely helpful. If you can, would you make a video like this for playing a farming carry? :) Farming patterns, decision making, when to tp to fights etc? Thanks!
+Jesper Qvarfordt You can't really make a guide about this as it is too relative. You see lots of pros tp'ing to fights and sometimes dying because it is impossible to predict the situation most times. (3-5 enemies all having spells that can or can not be cast based on who your team/their team focuses in the 3 second tp time, 3 seconds is AN AGE in dota.)
+Khanzeal Marr i bet! I usually play support so I can relate more to the warding bit. Would be nice to see some examples of creative farming patterns :)
thank you very much for this useful video. i hope you will make more videos of this kind. suggestions: - basic guides to common pos 5 heroes - in depth guides to some of the most common pos 5 heroes - pos 5 item tips/guides
Hi ppd this helped me alot thanks for this video ive learned alot from your video i hope you can post some other stuff about Supports. more powers and Goodluck on your future tournaments !
I found your tips on zoning a solo offlaner very useful. I'm hoping you might be able to give some tips for supports in a 2v2 dual lane matchup. A response here with some general tips or even an additional video would be super helpful. Liked and subscribed
i was hoping for a guide how to zone out a mid laner as a support but even so the guide was very helpful and useful and will be sure to use the warding in the video
I'm not sure if you know this but you can pull the big radiant camp really easy to the small camp by destroying a tree above the first clump of trees on the small camp. I'm not sure if this made any sense but you'll see the tree I mean once you look for it.
Not sure if u are allow to do this or not, but would you mind to make a video about what Alliance drafting in StarLadder? Because, I see alot of team doing those kind of draft like DP, LD, Chen
+Luke Pickens there is blocking too it's not all aboout stacking ,even without wards if you clear a camp and you stand in these new huge boxes you will block the camp ur self
spawn boxes made creep stacking much easier. I can pull a tri stack easily in medium camps, and I can stack ancients pretty well because I got familiar with the spawn boxes.
I really want a little guide about how to play Tusk and those roamer heroes, Prob that will be more for Fear, but you can do it and so well, so I really will be happy about a guide for roaming, Ganks, Smoke ganks, How to build, Rotation, and stuff. Thanks PPD Interesting guide and keep doing it!
Pulling from radiant small to radiant hard camp is actually easier than what you did in this video. You can eat a tree to the north-east of the camp and pull through that spot (granted it's mostly effective early when you are guaranteed to carry tangos). Purge's video on this shows the exact tree to cut/eat.
ppd, what about the deward spot in in the safelane easy camp from radiant side, the one that you need to cut one of the top trees to place the sentry. Is that a worth spot?
Main thing I see supports doing wrong (lower brackets ofc not top tier) is that they think as a support your job is to go in blow all your spells and then auto attack and thats what you should do during teamfights. When most supports are better at sitting back, going in for spells and then being in the "outter circle" (I think of it was the vision of a ward, you want to be out of danger but close enough to quickly impact the fight). And also use fog.
Forgot to add that dont be afraid to use a spell if it guarantees a kill. There is nothing worse than having a support not cast his spell because he thinks him "stealing" the kill is bad and the opponent gets away. It's better to blow a guy up in lane.
+Teddi P If you're using Dazzle and you have an enemy PA rushing at you, sometimes making Heaven's Halberd (If you have the gold to make it) would help a lot. Disarming her as she rushes to no man's land makes her easier to kill as she can't lifesteal while disarmed.
The 6:31 pull is much easier if you cut that single tree in the right corner area of the spawn box (the second tree above that pot on the terrain) though I guess he doesn't want to cut trees unless it's absolutely necessary for the pull to succeed? Cause ideally you won't always have QB, and need to save tangoes for when it matters, I guess.
hi ppd, im a 3k player trying to learn more about the game. can u also do a video on the frequent blindspots and run around areas to kite in the map in case you are being chased by other heroes so you can escape better rather than just trying to outrun them. i think this will help newer plays like myself.
Hey PPD thanks for the video. If you're continuing this, could you do a video which covers laning vs a dual offlane (as a dual or tri), rotating/ smoke ganking vs pulling (basically what should I aim to do as support in the first 10 mins) and maybe itemization (like starting items, and if and when it's better to save for big items over wards)
Pretty cool guide, reckon you can do a video(or part of a video) on how supports work together. A lot of my games seem to go poorly due to no synergy between me and the other support.
Hey +ppd .. I really loved this video .. very informative I am looking forward to your hero Pick/Ban guide or a general Hero Combo's if u don't wanna share your team strategy Also on the general idea of judging movements or possibilities of the next play from the enemy.. Thank you :)
thanks for the awesome video ppd, just want to ask what earphones/mic are you using in this video cause the voice quality was really spot on! thanks in advance
Awesome video, looks like you put a ton of work into it. Any chance you can do one for carry players? What you expect from your carry as a support and captain? Keep the great videos coming.
Any thoughts or commentary on old games would be greatly appreciated. It's how I started following Bulldog. He did wait a respectable amount of time, I think it was even after TI 4 or even 5, but commentary on important games are great to sort of feel it with our favorite players.
As usual awesome video ppd (Y) always wondered about a few things when i watch all of EG's games 1) is there a specific reason you buy treads on WD? (i remember seeing it quite a few times on your WD) 2) do you think banning the cores first phase is more important now than banning supps like in the previous patch? (mainly from starladder reference) 3) should there be more emphasis on helping the offlaner now? or with the new camps/iron talon etc its okay to let them lose the lane and jungle? 4) in 6.86 can a support afford to be greedy (midas, farming tools etc) cause it seems like most games tend to extend beyond 35mins, other than team spirits push strat.
the ward at 16:00 does not block the camp, the spawn box in that game is a bit wrong. You can see that the box is not turning red. its not a box really, the top left corner is correct but the top right corner is actually further downwards so you cannot block it at the cliff.
0:38 Radiant dewarding
4:54 Radiant pulling
11:08 Radiant stacking
16:06 Radiant warding
22:05 Dire pulling, dewarding
27:37 Dire stacking
32:07 Dire warding
37:25 Single pull
39:03 Zoning
42:52 Casting spells
thnk u ppd, i went from 1k to 6k in a day jus from playnng suport with ur tips!
+Zachary Kennedy Congrats, now go finish high school because that grammar is cringy.
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+Zachary Kennedy doctors hate him!
+Plague Doc wat r u taking abut mat, his gramar is gret
Awesome video. Another topic I would like you to cover is when and how to gank. When is the good time to start rotating and good routes to go through.
PPD you're awesome for doing all those videos, especially this guide, it was very informative. I've been following your channel since forever.Thank you for your effort, and wish you good luck at the Majors.
Thanks PPD. Your guides give us that pro perspective, that extra bit of info that makes us understand why we do the things we do as opposed to just doing them blindly because we saw a pro do it.
Thanks for this guide, I almost never play support but getting an insight into other roles definitely helps me become a better player. Your warding tips were especially deep and useful.
I play support for my team and this was a great help.
I think this is the best support guide on youtube right now.
Thanks a lot ppd!
Peter, youre such a nice man for doing this.. you spend your time helping all people out there, you have such a big heart, I am always happy to see such guides from you, and I wish to see more about drafting and support heroes. :))
thanks for the video Peter. as a 3.5k player who plays support 90% of my games and is trying to climb ranked only as a support (not an easy feat), I find the overall lack of advanced support tactics and videos on youtube disappointing. Videos like these help a lot.
If you do anymore support videos in the future, as others have said, more analysis about rotations, when to smoke gank, positioning, etc, and perhaps other advanced support techniques would be appreciated!
Great tutorial ppd, thanks for taking the time to make it!
One thing you mentioned was you can pull and stack dire hard camp at the same time. This is also possible with radiant hard camp if you pull them through the trees.
Thanks for the video, brother! It really helps to have these concepts explained clearly by someone that we have faith in. It is always harder to learn something if the person teaching it is an unknown; there is always an element of, "What if he doesn't really know what he is talking about?"
You have no idea how grateful I am for this video. As a 5k player, I mainly play support and found this extremely helpful. So thank you.
Hey PPD, great video, a lot of great little tips. One thing i felt is pretty good to mention is that; with the new radiant jungle hard camp next to the lane, you are able to pull it AND stack it if you pull it down into the lane at .53.
This makes sure that the wave is cleared, as well as getting quite a bit of gold, because half of the camp should die if you attack them together with the creeps. If you get double ursa stack, or ursa+centaur camp, your wave will die very quickly, but this can be fixed by pulling the camp into the wave by grabbing it at .23, resulting in not stacking it but instead, most of the time killing half of the camp, leaving you with a possible pull+stack at .53 once more.
The only problem i find with this pull is that your lane generally needs to be a little bit pushed, just above first row of trees. But if you have good synergy with your p1, he can help you out by freezing the lane further up by pushing the wave, leaving you with constant pulls, and still leaves him with freefarm and a lane kept closer your tower rather than the enemy tower.
Anyone feel free to correct me on this if you think there are more efficient ways to maximize your gold in the safelane, i'm always looking to improve.
Thank you sooo much for this. There's knowledge in your videos I haven't found anywhere else and I'm grateful you're willing to share it
Been waiting for a good, in depth support guide like this for awhile. Thanks ppd~
Why is this in my recommended almost 3 years later lol. Wish we got more in depth support lessons like these again.
This was amazing. Keep on doing these. It is by far the most useful video about dota that I've ever seen. Thanks.
Could you make a video about when a support player should start making rotations? Whether your team is winning/losing, depending on situations, etc.
+Ken “CC” L
dont leech exp from ur carry, zone the offlaner. if that works and ur carry is ahead in farm and levels he is fine alone. go gank/ward/stack. :)
put a lane ward tho, so no one ganks ur carry. and buy a tp to counter ganks on any lane. most important thing.
+Ken “CC” L Have good map awareness, do your job and pay attention to your mid if they're being dived or you can gank, keep a smoke and a TP with you for the majority of the early game.
+Ken “CC” L 1st min in the game zone offlane, leave lane near 1:30 if you can and go pull, make sure you connect the pull then go check the rune at 2:00, see if enemy offlaner needs more zoning out, zone him out or go back to pulling and stacking, once you're lvl 2/3 you can gank mid and rotate and stuff, since by that time your carry should be ahead in levels. Do drop a lane ward if they have strong ganking supports, else just go and secure runes for mid and help out offlane and stuff. If you play the early game correct and team does not make many crucial mistakes you should win the mid game.
+Teddi P u dont get the idea of the support role at all. wait wut, its a support guide vid ? world what have i done !?
This is an amazing video! Learned quite a lot from watching this. Thank you so much for taking time to make this for us, really appreciate it :)
Thanks for the guide man.Keep up the work on this channel,it's great so far.
This video is pretty nice. I tend to find the hardest thing about support is decision making though, even at 2k people are pretty good at warding. Your treant video was very good in that regard. Keep them coming!
Awesome vid, thanks ppd. Would love to see some kind of follow up on how to play out a contested lane, either an aggro tri or more likely an aggressive dual lane. I think those sort of lanes come up a lot more than solo offlaners at lower MMRs, and an in depth vid on that subject would be super valuable to a lot of folks :D
Thanks PPD!
i boosted my mmr from 4010 to 3965 with this video
Thanks so much for this video Peter.Playin pos.5 can be really frustrating but with this video I can really enjoy the role. Thanks again and Bleed Blue from Italy.
+LupoLusio it's only frustrating because people think this shitty jungle meta is legit and not a fall back point after a shitty offlane.
so amazing that you found time to make guide! it's very useful as for me in dewarding moment, I'm really messed up with this new map and too lazy to search in the internet the answers :D
I would really like to see a video about what supports usually do at different stages of the game, whether its early, mid or late game (mostly I'd like to know some timings, for example, when should you be ganking mid or babysitting your carry etc.) I watched a russian video made by NS which explained some of this stuff but it was pretty basic. And thanks for this video as well, I hope you keep making these type of guides for supports as it is quite hard for me to find informative ones, such as yours.
Thx ppd for the video. Some nice information on ward spots in there I didn't know yet.
What I think a lot of players can improve most on in their support play is being efficient with your time. Could you maybe do another video (doesn't have to be as long as this) where you explain your decision making (when to babysit/zone, when to pull and farm, when to gank other lanes, whether to TP support your other lanes, when to check runes etc)
I really think it there could be a lot interesting insight on how to make your early game movements as smooth and efficient as possible.
Keep up the good work.
This video is perfect, it's a complete support guide , i've learned a lot with it, congrats ppd
hi ppd, can i translate your video and put it onto a chinese website since we're not able to visit youtube in china? I will of course put your name and this url link together with the video!
+Foremerald hmmm...
+Foremerald nope ._.
+Foremerald then how are you watching it
+Foremerald Why don't you make your own video to put on that site and use his advice?
+Foremerald embarrased, Chinese can't speak english lol
Thanks Ppd for trying to help every dota player to improve.
You are the real MVP here!
feels great that a pro player willing to share their knowledge. keep it up! so much respect on you :)
thank you so much for this video. as a very new player almost all of the info was new and it's all very useful.
thanks for taking the time to make these videos and for helping people be able to better play support.
Unbelievable. You really listen to your viewers. Thanks so much for this video, a lot of knowledge gained for players who want to play support. Keep on doing what you're doing, good job man. One last question though: In pubs you already see the team's lineup, how do you decide on what support hero to play? Like how would you decide whether it'll be a passive one (dazzle, treant) or an active one (tusk, earth spirit)?
Im really liking your channel: vlogs, thoughts and now guides!.
Greetings from a chilean scrub
1. How to deal with NP/LD manipulating the creep wave?
2. Is it better to single pull at 2:30 or 3:00?
3.Could you make a mid-game / late-game as a support video? Mostly decision making.
Good video!
The MOST complete guide i've ever seen! Gj man!
Thnx a lot PPD , great video , my respect for you is just growing up , glgl
Great video, great simple explanation, nice view on the new patch and map changes and stuff. I really liked it. Thx for your efford to making this video.
Great video. Learned a lot about the pull and stack timings, and your insight into wards on the new map was very helpful. If you could do a guide on what support to pick given a certain draft (in terms of both your teams picks and the enemy picks) that would be really interesting.
Cheers.
16:00 This area doesn't block the camp actually. Great video, very helpful since I'm not used to playing support and I was confused with new camps!
what an awesome video.
that was literally the best support guide if ever seen. :)
Thank you
You are the best support player in my opinion.I hope you'll win the next ti! Thank you for this video!
great guide, totally would love to see more guides coming from you.
very nice,i would like to see more of your ingame thought proces,in team fights,depending on your items and etc. like you did in the last part of the video with wd and venommancer ! I think that would be very intresting. Anyways keep it up !!
4:55 Radiance Jungle Pulls
16:05 Radiance Ward Locations
22:05 Dire Jungle Camps
32:07 Dire Ward Locations
tq this help me....many people do not know the art of supporting...they not easy as it seen..sometimes people pulling creep to lane also mess up,it very frustrating if u r the carry and the support do not know how to support...
Thanks Peter; some good tips there and learning a few things I didn't know. Keep the videos coming ☺
Hey, man - really good content, thanks! One thing I would say is that I'm pretty sure camps are not blocked if their spawn box extends over lower ground and something is in that space on the lower ground during the minute mark; for example, with the radiant medium camp closest to bot rune or radiant's offlane hard camp. Even though the box extends over lower ground areas, I don't those spots block the spawn.
I tested those lower ground spots to see if they work before reading that comment and watching this video, and I can confirm that they work. Test it out for yourself in that custom game
Thanks for this Peter I been wanting to learn these specifics for a while now
Thanks a ton! This is exactly the video I've wanted forever
Hey PPD love your videos. Great video, definitely helps new and intermediate supports get better. Could you put ut an advanced supporting guide, stuff like when to gank or when to stay in lane and protect your carry, how to deal with dual lanes, when to join your team for team fights or when to go be a bit greedy and farm a free lane. Thanks!
Great video man. Very helpful
I watched it again. It's actually fantastic
hey PPD you guys are amazing players bro. thanks for this vid it's gonna help me a lot. and your TI6 matches were awesome.
I have been looking for this ty so much ppd props bro u guys are awesome
haha ppd u go get them man!!! very sugoi!!
+Cameron Wall i love your pic
+Cameron Wall Your pic gave me aids tho
+Cameron Wall WHAT THE FUCK ! LOL FUCKING WEABO
+stringduality sugoi is japanese for impressive or cool. People who stick random japanese words into sentences where it isn't at all relevant are generally called weebs or weabos. I'd understand if anime or japanese culture was mentioned in the context of the video, but it wasn't.
+quesadillaman34 You think people like him even remotely try to fit in?
Also very informative for offlaners, since you give an idea of where they usually ward as well. Thanks!
at 28:10 where you remove the tree to pull, it is possible to stack that camp without doing that, you can hug the edges of the trees and the creeps will somehow spot you and come around, do it at around 54 and then walk yourself out of the spawn box and it should stack (I learned this because I like to play sneaky sneaky and hug things to try and avoid getting spotted.. yeah it's in pubs, what about it, lol)
Missed my last hit 4Head
+Rei da Zuera *FOR HEAD
+Pux Newgate 4Head PogChamp
+Achmad Nur Haromain eass
as a 4k shit player. i learned a lot from this video. damn, this might get me to my dream 5k! thanks ppd. keep that sodium high my friend!! XD
+Ming Lee WTF is wrong with your dong?
I dont skip dong day my friend.
+Ming Lee ecks day
Finally, something to cure dota cancer. everyone really need to watch something like this instead watching the miracle 9k blabla rampage oh my god very good amazing carry silly build blabla.
noob 2k be like play lion with dagon, carry rubick mid, end up feeding say gg and blame on others. fucking pinoy
Thanks PPD! GL with the next major!
thanks PPD, love your stuff like always!!
This was extremely helpful. If you can, would you make a video like this for playing a farming carry? :) Farming patterns, decision making, when to tp to fights etc? Thanks!
+Jesper Qvarfordt You can't really make a guide about this as it is too relative. You see lots of pros tp'ing to fights and sometimes dying because it is impossible to predict the situation most times. (3-5 enemies all having spells that can or can not be cast based on who your team/their team focuses in the 3 second tp time, 3 seconds is AN AGE in dota.)
+Jesper Qvarfordt you know when ppd said sometimes you need to be creative with your warding? it's the same with farming patterns and decision making.
+Khanzeal Marr i bet! I usually play support so I can relate more to the warding bit. Would be nice to see some examples of creative farming patterns :)
Jesper Qvarfordt comes with experience i'd imagine. you're not gonna follow the same patterns all the time.
thank you very much for this useful video. i hope you will make more videos of this kind.
suggestions:
- basic guides to common pos 5 heroes
- in depth guides to some of the most common pos 5 heroes
- pos 5 item tips/guides
excelent just a perfect guide
i love you now captain salt
Really good video, lots of stuff to learn. Thanks. Would be curious to hear your thoughts on itemization and situational decisions.
You can do the Dire Pull+Stack of the hard camp that you show at 28:24 on Radient as well.
"Missed my last hit...4Head...." Giggled :) but awesome video and thanks alot for the usefull informations ! Keep up the amazing work ! :)
Hi ppd this helped me alot thanks for this video ive learned alot from your video i hope you can post some other stuff about Supports. more powers and Goodluck on your future tournaments !
Thanks ,i cleared most of my doubts ,especially for dewarding the pull camps :) .
I found your tips on zoning a solo offlaner very useful. I'm hoping you might be able to give some tips for supports in a 2v2 dual lane matchup. A response here with some general tips or even an additional video would be super helpful.
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if you pull the radiant hard camp south at between 52 and 53 it will stack the camp as well as pull the wave an then kill the wave very quickly
Thanks PPD!!! time to keep rewatching it until it stays in my 3k mmr brain :D
i was hoping for a guide how to zone out a mid laner as a support but even so the guide was very helpful and useful and will be sure to use the warding in the video
Thanks for sharing your advanced knowledge Ppd it really helps
I'm not sure if you know this but you can pull the big radiant camp really easy to the small camp by destroying a tree above the first clump of trees on the small camp. I'm not sure if this made any sense but you'll see the tree I mean once you look for it.
Not sure if u are allow to do this or not, but would you mind to make a video about what Alliance drafting in StarLadder?
Because, I see alot of team doing those kind of draft like DP, LD, Chen
+Hanson Cheong I believe he's said he won't do analysis of drafts during the current patch.
+Hanson Cheong deathball. dont know what explanation u really need. they just get heavy pushers with heals and sustain.
As a newb player I am really surprised that spawn boxes are kinda big.
+Blackcrame they aren't that big when you conisder how far the creeps follow you. Once you know the timings, its very very easy to stack
+Luke Pickens there is blocking too it's not all aboout stacking ,even without wards if you clear a camp and you stand in these new huge boxes you will block the camp ur self
GoR[A]死 what does that have to do with my comment or the one im replying too
spawn boxes made creep stacking much easier. I can pull a tri stack easily in medium camps, and I can stack ancients pretty well because I got familiar with the spawn boxes.
for the hard camps you can both stack and pull if you pull at x:53(both for safelane and as a offlaner)
I really want a little guide about how to play Tusk and those roamer heroes, Prob that will be more for Fear, but you can do it and so well, so I really will be happy about a guide for roaming, Ganks, Smoke ganks, How to build, Rotation, and stuff. Thanks PPD Interesting guide and keep doing it!
28:34 Not sure if you mentioned it but you can also that on the radiant hard/dire offlane camp
Pulling from radiant small to radiant hard camp is actually easier than what you did in this video. You can eat a tree to the north-east of the camp and pull through that spot (granted it's mostly effective early when you are guaranteed to carry tangos). Purge's video on this shows the exact tree to cut/eat.
ppd, what about the deward spot in in the safelane easy camp from radiant side, the one that you need to cut one of the top trees to place the sentry. Is that a worth spot?
Main thing I see supports doing wrong (lower brackets ofc not top tier) is that they think as a support your job is to go in blow all your spells and then auto attack and thats what you should do during teamfights. When most supports are better at sitting back, going in for spells and then being in the "outter circle" (I think of it was the vision of a ward, you want to be out of danger but close enough to quickly impact the fight). And also use fog.
Forgot to add that dont be afraid to use a spell if it guarantees a kill. There is nothing worse than having a support not cast his spell because he thinks him "stealing" the kill is bad and the opponent gets away. It's better to blow a guy up in lane.
+Teddi P If you're using Dazzle and you have an enemy PA rushing at you, sometimes making Heaven's Halberd (If you have the gold to make it) would help a lot. Disarming her as she rushes to no man's land makes her easier to kill as she can't lifesteal while disarmed.
Great video and a lot of useful information ppd.
Please do more videos like this and thank you .
The 6:31 pull is much easier if you cut that single tree in the right corner area of the spawn box (the second tree above that pot on the terrain) though I guess he doesn't want to cut trees unless it's absolutely necessary for the pull to succeed? Cause ideally you won't always have QB, and need to save tangoes for when it matters, I guess.
Doing this is a lot easier now that in the settings you can make holding ALT will show spawn boxes (and tower and ward range)
hi ppd, im a 3k player trying to learn more about the game. can u also do a video on the frequent blindspots and run around areas to kite in the map in case you are being chased by other heroes so you can escape better rather than just trying to outrun them. i think this will help newer plays like myself.
Missing last hits like a pro support 4Head
Jokes aside, really useful guide. Watched all of it and learned a lot!
Thanks Peter SeemsGood
the best! ty for the guide pdd.
Respect from chilean players dota2!
Hey PPD thanks for the video. If you're continuing this, could you do a video which covers laning vs a dual offlane (as a dual or tri), rotating/ smoke ganking vs pulling (basically what should I aim to do as support in the first 10 mins) and maybe itemization (like starting items, and if and when it's better to save for big items over wards)
MY BODY IS NOW READY WITH THIS NEWFOUND KNOWLEDGE!!!!!
Pretty cool guide, reckon you can do a video(or part of a video) on how supports work together. A lot of my games seem to go poorly due to no synergy between me and the other support.
Excellent guide ppd, please more videos like these =)
Hey +ppd .. I really loved this video .. very informative
I am looking forward to your hero Pick/Ban guide or a general Hero Combo's if u don't wanna share your team strategy
Also on the general idea of judging movements or possibilities of the next play from the enemy..
Thank you :)
thanks for the awesome video ppd, just want to ask what earphones/mic are you using in this video cause the voice quality was really spot on! thanks in advance
Awesome video, looks like you put a ton of work into it. Any chance you can do one for carry players? What you expect from your carry as a support and captain? Keep the great videos coming.
Any thoughts or commentary on old games would be greatly appreciated. It's how I started following Bulldog. He did wait a respectable amount of time, I think it was even after TI 4 or even 5, but commentary on important games are great to sort of feel it with our favorite players.
As usual awesome video ppd (Y) always wondered about a few things when i watch all of EG's games
1) is there a specific reason you buy treads on WD? (i remember seeing it quite a few times on your WD)
2) do you think banning the cores first phase is more important now than banning supps like in the previous patch? (mainly from starladder reference)
3) should there be more emphasis on helping the offlaner now? or with the new camps/iron talon etc its okay to let them lose the lane and jungle?
4) in 6.86 can a support afford to be greedy (midas, farming tools etc) cause it seems like most games tend to extend beyond 35mins, other than team spirits push strat.
the ward at 16:00 does not block the camp, the spawn box in that game is a bit wrong. You can see that the box is not turning red. its not a box really, the top left corner is correct but the top right corner is actually further downwards so you cannot block it at the cliff.