@@gms9073 I've had mine installed on a Scout Squad for about three weeks. There was no fitting necessary, it just firmly fit together. It is a little heavier than the factory walnut stock, but it handles much better. I did not notice a POI shift at 50 yards with irons. We haven't been to the long range with it yet. So far, it is much liked in my family.
I found the best way to get the "Compliant" part and the receiver block is to email ProMag and make your request. Phone calls are a waste of time. They will email you back. I got these parts within a week. I followed this man's instructions, and everything went fine. 1/4 x 20 bolt and all. Use a 1 1/2" long 1/4 x 20 bolt or screw. (that length stops just below the hole you make in the compliant part) Also I read about a lot of guys who had to file or grind some of the stock to make their parts fit, especially the trigger, I had no issues, everything went without a hitch. Except when I went to lock the trigger, the very back of the receiver didn't seat on the stock, so as you go to close the trigger, you have to squeeze (with your hand) the receiver into the stock as you close and lock the trigger assembly. (He shows this at 8:20 in the video) If your paws aren't strong enough, find a stronger set of paws. I'm pretty satisfied with the outcome. (after pricing other stocks) My M1A was made by Springfield Armory 234****
I got my archangel stock yesterday. I followed the instructions carefully. I had to take material off of the front of front of where the trigger group sits, but I did so carefully with a file, and viola'. I will give a further report once I shoot it, but it is very solid seating in the stock. Not to mention it looks totally bad assed. I have a Nikon glass on it, and a military scope mount. I bought a new Springfield scope mount and will change out this steel one, just to save the weight. The difference in weight of my birch wooden stock and this is dramatic! Way easier to handle now. Good job ProMag. I know there are people out there who hate on these guys. I have a mosin nagant stock from them, and now this, and both are well made. Whoever designed this knew what they were about. The snow is still a bit deep, but I'll see if I can trudge out and put up my 100 yard eight inch gong. I'll let you all know how that develops. Again, nice stock, cheap compared to everything else, but it seems to be very good quality. The cheek riser and the length of pull extender are both very solid and love the ability to adjust-almost every weapon I shoot has a length of pull that feels too short to me. Not now. Very pleased thus far. Cheers.
After watching the video, I had to take off a bit (approx. .010") of flashing up front where the barrel flange seats and another .010" on one side of the trigger flange on one side only. I used a piece of paper sliding in where it looked tight, and marked that with a pencil to shave off a bit of polymer. The trigger guard snapped right into place and tighter than socks on a rooster.
Springfield Armory M1A Scout. This video makes it look pretty (too) easy. Getting the ferrule to completely seat proved impossible, there's still a small gap (mine is unitized). Which, BTW, is desirable with other stocks. But I'm gonna beat my gun on the floor only so much. Take your scope off if you have one. I had to remove quite a bit of material from the trigger pads, almost to where they no longer exist before I felt comfortable with ratcheting down the trigger guard. I actually used a dremel and sanding drum. BE CAREFUL! Then I used a high quality 220 grit sandpaper on square stock to accurately sand over both surfaces at the same time to level and smooth them out. Dis and reassembled the rifle six times before I got a good fit. And even then I kinda cringed. So there is no barrel float. At all. And there is copious contact between the M8 hand guard and stock. These facts run contrary to the National Match rifles I shot on the USMC team. Preliminary report, just installed this morning, FWIW. 116 degree temps here so haven't put it on paper yet. ;-)
I agree, these are trashy wastes of money. My Loaded M1a was only able to fire a few rounds in this stock before it started failing to fire. Took the action back to the original stock and it runs like a champ.
The thing I'd add - On mating the trigger housing group up behind the mag well - rather than filing off flatly, take a look at your trigger housing's mating surface, it's got a slight flat area and a slight angle up at the edge. To get a good fit take about 30 degree angle from the outside rounded area in towards the trigger group, you will get a tighter fit with more surface contact on the stock. (easier to just look at your wood stock if you don't follow, then look at the slight gap you have on the inside when the outside of the trigger group is flat.). Also not sure if they are all made that way but I would assume they are. Mine is a Springfield Armories M1A
I just got mine, took me about an hour to fit, it's just me probably, but man I like the look and the feel of this thing. Can't wait to shoot my Scout with it.
Need a video for the Archangel M1A Close Quarter. I bought one a month ago for my SOCOM and the trigger group isnt lining up. Ready to return it at this point.
My stock came with the spacer block. HOWEVER, neither my Springfield nor my Bula trigger pack will install in the stock! The trigger pack "legs" are about 0.50 too wide for the openings! I am going to have to remove a considerable amount on the Archangel stock. Already have spoken to a machine shop and gunsmith, they both indicate $250- 350 to mill it out! Not too happy.
Ok... tried to follow your instructions... 1st... Installing the receiver into the stock.. I had about a good 1/4" gap between the receiver and the stock. I couldn't apply enough pressure to get it to go down any further. 2nd.. got the trigger group in place, it looked like it was all the way inserted, I did tap it down with the block, but could not for the life of me get it to cam over.... any suggestions s to what I need to do... other than let a gunsmith fit it...??
I kinda figured I wouldn't get a reply or any help so I sent the fucking thing back.. maybe when you folks get your manufacturing straightened out. I saw far too many comments on how people had to file this or that to get it to fit properly. I wasn't about to hack up the stock just to make you feel like you had a quality product...
I had an M14, the original wood stock was broken during the practice of silent drill when I was a cadet, today I saw your video and it is very impressive, wanted to replace it with M1A Archangel stock because I wanted to join a sports competition, HOW MUCH, what is the procedure on how to purchase the stock, I'm from the Philippines
Doesn't having the stock at the muzzle end clamp around the barrel negatively affect accuracy, instead of positively affect it like the guy says at 05:51 in the video?
So after everything fits nicely, after removing much material, my bolt is now getting stuck in the rear position. Followed every instruction to the tee. any ideas? Because nobody is returning my emails at Magpul. You guys still have staff in the tech department ? So far I have an expensive walking stick… not a gunstock
hey, Mr. ball-o-fire... would an overhead view have killed ya'? good video, very comprehensive, looking forward to installing my stock soon. thanks guys!
how do I mount a scope to the Archangel M1A stock? It looked like there was a way to do it from the photos when I bought it, but since getting it I'm not seeing any sort of rail system to mount my scope.
@@DragonflyActual After speaking with Archangel about this topic I was informed that the wrap around thumb makes the stock non-compliant. Archangel even sells a "compliance" piece that you can install in the thumb cut to block this feature. With that piece in it really defeats the purpose of the chassis and to be honest there are much better stocks avail for your m1a like McMillan FG that are actually an upgrade from the base stock.
I dont necessarily like that. You will have better accuracy with a properly bedded m1a in a fiberglass stock. You shouldn't have to file to fit, you will have unequal pressures, and the front of the stock should have about 12lbs of downward tip pressure where the stock and band meet. Having it forced in there is very unsettling to someone who knows how these rifles harmonics work.
I just installed my SA M1A and there's about .125" gap between the back end of the receiver and the stock! It locks loose and the gap looks hideous... Help!!!
Is your M1A from before or after '97? My understanding is the rear of the receivers were ever so slightly different before 97 or 96, sometime in there.
If Springfield armory already makes this same exact stock for the same exact price why buy aftermarket. This stock doesn’t even fit an M1A Loaded properly. Complete junk
Painstakingly slow on the basics, and a lot of repetitive stuff. I guess you have to take into account the absolutely raw viewer who has zero experience with this rifle. Seems forever before he cycles the action to test the fit.... or does he even bother?? I quit watching....
Making the customer have to modify your product for it to work instead of simply designing it properly in the first place is an awful business practice.
Six years later and you just sold me on a stock. Thanks!
Me too, I can't afford a VLTOR or Sage.
@@gms9073 I've had mine installed on a Scout Squad for about three weeks. There was no fitting necessary, it just firmly fit together. It is a little heavier than the factory walnut stock, but it handles much better. I did not notice a POI shift at 50 yards with irons. We haven't been to the long range with it yet. So far, it is much liked in my family.
I found the best way to get the "Compliant" part and the receiver block is to email ProMag and make your request. Phone calls are a waste of time. They will email you back. I got these parts within a week. I followed this man's instructions, and everything went fine. 1/4 x 20 bolt and all. Use a 1 1/2" long 1/4 x 20 bolt or screw. (that length stops just below the hole you make in the compliant part) Also I read about a lot of guys who had to file or grind some of the stock to make their parts fit, especially the trigger, I had no issues, everything went without a hitch. Except when I went to lock the trigger, the very back of the receiver didn't seat on the stock, so as you go to close the trigger, you have to squeeze (with your hand) the receiver into the stock as you close and lock the trigger assembly. (He shows this at 8:20 in the video) If your paws aren't strong enough, find a stronger set of paws. I'm pretty satisfied with the outcome. (after pricing other stocks) My M1A was made by Springfield Armory 234****
I got my archangel stock yesterday. I followed the instructions carefully. I had to take material off of the front of front of where the trigger group sits, but I did so carefully with a file, and viola'. I will give a further report once I shoot it, but it is very solid seating in the stock. Not to mention it looks totally bad assed. I have a Nikon glass on it, and a military scope mount. I bought a new Springfield scope mount and will change out this steel one, just to save the weight. The difference in weight of my birch wooden stock and this is dramatic! Way easier to handle now. Good job ProMag. I know there are people out there who hate on these guys. I have a mosin nagant stock from them, and now this, and both are well made. Whoever designed this knew what they were about. The snow is still a bit deep, but I'll see if I can trudge out and put up my 100 yard eight inch gong. I'll let you all know how that develops. Again, nice stock, cheap compared to everything else, but it seems to be very good quality. The cheek riser and the length of pull extender are both very solid and love the ability to adjust-almost every weapon I shoot has a length of pull that feels too short to me. Not now. Very pleased thus far. Cheers.
After watching the video, I had to take off a bit (approx. .010") of flashing up front where the barrel flange seats and another .010" on one side of the trigger flange on one side only. I used a piece of paper sliding in where it looked tight, and marked that with a pencil to shave off a bit of polymer. The trigger guard snapped right into place and tighter than socks on a rooster.
I'm pretty much a gunsmith... I own like 3 rolls of masking tape
Springfield Armory M1A Scout. This video makes it look pretty (too) easy. Getting the ferrule to completely seat proved impossible, there's still a small gap (mine is unitized). Which, BTW, is desirable with other stocks. But I'm gonna beat my gun on the floor only so much. Take your scope off if you have one. I had to remove quite a bit of material from the trigger pads, almost to where they no longer exist before I felt comfortable with ratcheting down the trigger guard. I actually used a dremel and sanding drum. BE CAREFUL! Then I used a high quality 220 grit sandpaper on square stock to accurately sand over both surfaces at the same time to level and smooth them out. Dis and reassembled the rifle six times before I got a good fit. And even then I kinda cringed. So there is no barrel float. At all. And there is copious contact between the M8 hand guard and stock. These facts run contrary to the National Match rifles I shot on the USMC team. Preliminary report, just installed this morning, FWIW. 116 degree temps here so haven't put it on paper yet. ;-)
Well done training video, he is very knowledgeable and practical.
I agree, these are trashy wastes of money. My Loaded M1a was only able to fire a few rounds in this stock before it started failing to fire. Took the action back to the original stock and it runs like a champ.
Not a fan of drilling holes so I decided to use Talon Grip tape for the compliance part.
The thing I'd add - On mating the trigger housing group up behind the mag well - rather than filing off flatly, take a look at your trigger housing's mating surface, it's got a slight flat area and a slight angle up at the edge. To get a good fit take about 30 degree angle from the outside rounded area in towards the trigger group, you will get a tighter fit with more surface contact on the stock. (easier to just look at your wood stock if you don't follow, then look at the slight gap you have on the inside when the outside of the trigger group is flat.). Also not sure if they are all made that way but I would assume they are. Mine is a Springfield Armories M1A
Just wanted to add, great instructional video. Cudos to you, sir and to ProMag.
Just used this video for my stock. Thanks!! I would say it fits like a glove, but it’s more like water tight lol.
Very informative. Some of the negative comments about fit should watch this. It's an uninformed criticism.
So the Archangel stock is usable with the SOCOM, Scout Squad, and standard/loaded variants of the M1A? Beautiful.
I just got mine, took me about an hour to fit, it's just me probably, but man I like the look and the feel of this thing. Can't wait to shoot my Scout with it.
Need a video for the Archangel M1A Close Quarter. I bought one a month ago for my SOCOM and the trigger group isnt lining up. Ready to return it at this point.
Good clear video, thanks.
I have the aacqs stock and have the trigger guard problem what do I file there at no marks
what is the length of the 1/4 in bolt - to be installed on the grip stock accessory
I bought 1 and 1/4 but there's still a gap before the top of the part. It works but a length of 1 and 1/2 might be better
@@farmzillatube bro you saved me after a whole day of internet searching for that bolt length :D bless you, you're doing god's work
My stock came with the spacer block. HOWEVER, neither my Springfield nor my Bula trigger pack will install in the stock! The trigger pack "legs" are about 0.50 too wide for the openings! I am going to have to remove a considerable amount on the Archangel stock. Already have spoken to a machine shop and gunsmith, they both indicate $250- 350 to mill it out! Not too happy.
Excellent video!
I am glad I have a Dremel. I had to remove more BS than I wanted to. It should have just been a drop in.
I wish i knew what exact size and length im to put through the stock to the ca compliant web peice. That would be cool if you could tell me, thank u
Ok... tried to follow your instructions... 1st... Installing the receiver into the stock.. I had about a good 1/4" gap between the receiver and the stock. I couldn't apply enough pressure to get it to go down any further. 2nd.. got the trigger group in place, it looked like it was all the way inserted, I did tap it down with the block, but could not for the life of me get it to cam over.... any suggestions s to what I need to do... other than let a gunsmith fit it...??
I kinda figured I wouldn't get a reply or any help so I sent the fucking thing back.. maybe when you folks get your manufacturing straightened out. I saw far too many comments on how people had to file this or that to get it to fit properly. I wasn't about to hack up the stock just to make you feel like you had a quality product...
I had an M14, the original wood stock was broken during the practice of silent drill when I was a cadet, today I saw your video and it is very impressive, wanted to replace it with M1A Archangel stock because I wanted to join a sports competition, HOW MUCH, what is the procedure on how to purchase the stock, I'm from the Philippines
Can you guys make a Sparta Stock version for this rifle?
Just ordered my cqb stock for my m1a loaded.
Doesn't having the stock at the muzzle end clamp around the barrel negatively affect accuracy, instead of positively affect it like the guy says at 05:51 in the video?
So after everything fits nicely, after removing much material, my bolt is now getting stuck in the rear position. Followed every instruction to the tee. any ideas? Because nobody is returning my emails at Magpul. You guys still have staff in the tech department ? So far I have an expensive walking stick… not a gunstock
Did you figure it out? I'm having the same issue.
Will this work on norinco m305?
hey, Mr. ball-o-fire... would an overhead view have killed ya'? good video, very comprehensive, looking forward to installing my stock soon. thanks guys!
Can I go from an Archangel stock from the factory SOCOM 16 CQB to a wooden stock?
Great vid!
how much is the archangel stock for m4 and how to puchase
Will that fit a STANDARD ISSUE M1A?
turn the volume up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I wish you all made hand guards that match the stocks
Springfield does, I can't seem to find them direct from springfield, though.
Awesome video
does the archangel stock weight more then the stock that the m1a comes with
Yes. Or at least, probably. How much more depends which stock came with your m1a.
how do I mount a scope to the Archangel M1A stock? It looked like there was a way to do it from the photos when I bought it, but since getting it I'm not seeing any sort of rail system to mount my scope.
Try the scope mount from Springfield armory. It should fit
Anyone know how to remove the rail cover
Sweat does it way
Is the stock 2017 cal legal?
no... the adjustment of stock length makes it non CA compliant
@@wws2010 not true, the adjustment allows the cheek to rise there for not making it a collapsible stock making this cali legal
@@DragonflyActual After speaking with Archangel about this topic I was informed that the wrap around thumb makes the stock non-compliant. Archangel even sells a "compliance" piece that you can install in the thumb cut to block this feature. With that piece in it really defeats the purpose of the chassis and to be honest there are much better stocks avail for your m1a like McMillan FG that are actually an upgrade from the base stock.
@@wws2010 thanks for that tid bit
Is this California legal?
Yes, watch the end of the video
Do all M1A archangel stocks come with the additional piece to make them California compliant?
Set you length of pull the pin it in place. Now legal.
Yes. All stocks are sold and come with the additional Compliance insert.
yes, that piece is shown in their video.
I dont necessarily like that. You will have better accuracy with a properly bedded m1a in a fiberglass stock. You shouldn't have to file to fit, you will have unequal pressures, and the front of the stock should have about 12lbs of downward tip pressure where the stock and band meet. Having it forced in there is very unsettling to someone who knows how these rifles harmonics work.
I just installed my SA M1A and there's about .125" gap between the back end of the receiver and the stock! It locks loose and the gap looks hideous... Help!!!
Is your M1A from before or after '97? My understanding is the rear of the receivers were ever so slightly different before 97 or 96, sometime in there.
how to purchase sir, form Philippines
If Springfield armory already makes this same exact stock for the same exact price why buy aftermarket. This stock doesn’t even fit an M1A Loaded properly. Complete junk
junk
Painstakingly slow on the basics, and a lot of repetitive stuff. I guess you have to take into account the absolutely raw viewer who has zero experience with this rifle. Seems forever before he cycles the action to test the fit.... or does he even bother?? I quit watching....
Making the customer have to modify your product for it to work instead of simply designing it properly in the first place is an awful business practice.
Painfully true!!!
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