The clip seems to imply that she thought her husband divorced her by throwing her out. The logic makes a lot of sense to me. If someone refuses to see their spouse that’s abandonment which in my mind is equivalent to divorce without a certificate.
@@annagallo1898 actually, it says in the Bible that if you marry a non-believer and they then abandon you, it is seen as divorce in the eye of god. Her husband asked the local pastor what to do about her, to which he told him to throw her out. He didn't know the bible as well as she did. She went to London to have the divorce finalised in the eye of the law as well, but the judge ruled that she had to go back to her husband immediately (which she didn't do). That lady was determined af. On Jennifer's video about Anne Boleyn, she mentions the book 'Divorced, Beheaded, Survived', which analyses each influental woman of the time, from Henry VIIs mother, over Henry VIIIs wives and then his daughters. Really interesting to see these women so in charge of their lives for once.
Yeah, I dont know... she basically got killed for following her beliefs, I dont know if that was the best course of action. I cant avoid thinking that she would have lived longer if she stayed with her then husband.
@@CarlosMendez-tn5zi Well, you need to see it from the perspective of someone living during that time - to them, god and religion were as true as breathing. She lived in a world in which everything - law, family, love - was only because god said so. That meant to her that if she were to keep quiet, she would be directly going against the law of god and curse her immortal soul. Men like Wolsey used religion as a way to gain power and riches. But she truly believed in god and his plan, so she went and spoke her mind. What happened to her on earth did not matter, because she would be spreading the true word of god. She was more than just down with becoming a martyr, similar to Katherine of Aragon, who was only ever concerned with obeying her husband in all things, except those that went against her conscience. Anne was different in that she placed god above all, even her husband.
@@CarlosMendez-tn5zi She might have lived longer, but she would have been miserable. It was her sister, who unexpectedly died, whom the father had made the marriage arrangement for. After her death, rather than lose out on the deal, he quickly substituted the unsuspecting younger sister, Anne.
There’s so many stories like this, and I always love hearing new ones. I remember hearing about an old man was sentenced to death during the Salem Witch trials, to be killed by stacking stones on a slab that was set on top of him. After a while, they hear snaps and stuff from under the slab and they ask if he wants to confess and the dude just says “more weight.” Another one is a partisan in… Poland I want to say. She was caught by the Nazis and as they are prepping to put her neck in the noose, they say that they will free her if she gives up her co-conspirators. She final words are: “You’ll find out who they are when they come to kill you.”
Giles Corey. Brave bad ass. If he’d confessed his property would have been taken from him and given back to the town. His children and his wife (also accused of witchcraft) would have inherited nothing. Land was everything in New England. So it took three days for him to die. His son in laws inherited his estate. His third wife Martha, was hung three days after his death.
@@naomi-g Also, he wasn't being pressed to confess, he was being pressed to enter a plea. If he'd pled guilty, his land would have been forfeited to the court and sold. If he'd pled not guilty, he'd have been found guilty and his land would have been forfeited to the court and sold. So he was enduring the torture to prevent his heirs from losing their property. (Which, in fairness, had only relatively recently been acquired, King Philip's War only being less than twenty years before the witch trials.)
The person you're thinking of saying "You'll find out who they are when they come to kill you" may have been Lepa Svetozara Radić an anti-Nazi partisan from Boznia-Herzegovina which at the time was part of Yugoslavia. Funnily enough the photo of her having the noose put on her neck was found on a dead soldier killed by the resistance. The only quote of her saying the line was ""I am not a traitor of my people. Those whom you are asking about will reveal themselves when they have succeeded in wiping out all you evildoers, to the last man."
I remember hearing is this story about the guy with the weight, but I could not tell you when or where… It has been a very long time. Thank you for that memory.
They would have murdered her anyway, even if she recanted. I’ve heard that Anne Boleyn was offered her life if she confessed to her crimes, but she knew better than to take that deal. While it took time for the executioner to arrive from France, she got a quick death by beheading. Had she actually confessed to things, I believe that Henry would have made her death as painful and humiliating as possible. He was a monster.
Well interestingly most heretics were offered a chance to recant their beliefs and survive. And some were genuinely released. The idea was that they were a much better example to others if they returned to the fold. You know like the power and mercy of God revealed. The only time they'd kill a recanting heretic is if they'd done something hainous alongside the heresy. Witches were screwed if they were tried as heretics rather than by secular courts (though, of course, also screwed if prosecuted by secular courts), because they might recant but they were typically still believed to have hurt people or destroyed their stuff, or had sex with the devil or something. Anne Boleyn is different, she was executed for treason. No getting out of that one.
Yes, he was dreadful. But isn't there a theory that the jousting accident left him brain damaged? Prior to it he was allegedly quite the catch. Muddies the waters a bit for me. Either way, it's such a shame.
@@sitcomchristian6886He tried to divorce his first wife by force and have her sent to a nunnery against her will, far away from her family, because he wanted to marry the girl he was cheating on her with. 😂😅❤🎉 He was a monster. That all happened BEFORE the head injury. He was a monster before the head injury. The head injury is just an excuse 😅❤🎉
Oh gosh, that's horrific. As my grandpa used to say: "Man's inhumanity to Man Makes thousands mourn." Not sure we are much better today, five centuries later. Thank you Ms Draper, you'd be a fabulous history teacher, inspiring young minds to understand and question the past, so that they can better deal with their futures. Go well, one foot in front of the other when times are tough.
"Man's inhumanity to Man make thusands mourn." What a strong line. Sadly true still to this very day, just look at Ukraine, or the Gaza strib. Its inhumane in every matter of word.
My father used to mutter the line, "man's inhumanity to man " but never completed the quote. Thank you for the missing bit. But, it's shameful for humanity how relevant this is today.
@@christophersmith108 It's an ages old saying that's been past down and uttered on report of any gross cruelty or violence between humans, past or present, that horrifies.
It seems to be a poem by Rabbie Burns "Many and sharp the numerous ills Inwoven with our frame; More pointed still, we make ourselves Regret, remorse and shame; And man, whose heaven-erected face The smiles of love adorn, Man's inhumanity to man, Makes countless thousands mourn."
Wow, Anne was a badass. It reminds me of the accounts of Jean d'Arc prying during her burning at the stake. Just not giving your executioners the satisfaction of seeing you sqaurm. Also, it reminds me of a nun in Mexico named Ser Juana, who was showing up everyone with her intelligence and had joined the church to get access to all of the books they had. They tried to humble her, so she wrote a sarcastic letter about how she was the worst nun in the world and signed it in her own blood. Those women feared no one.
For extra lady badassery, Joan d'Arcs MOM managed to convince the PAPAL INQUISITION to investigate Joan's trial, which eventually resulted in everyone that had been involved in it be declared heretics and blasphemers for breaking many, many rules including kidnapping the local Vice-Inquisitor to preside over the trial; excessive punishments, the crimes that they did sentence Joan for would ordinarily only have warranted a slap on the wrist at most; and having a biased jury (the jury members were only English and Burgundian, you know, the current enemies of France). Unfourtunately these excommuncations were largely posthumous, as the Inquisition had to wait for the conflict to calm down before they could do their investigation
Politics and religion is an unholy alliance that brings out the worst in humanity. It gives credence to the holier than thou bunch and can invite the corruption of both religion and politics.
What an amazing woman she was, I had heard of her story before, such a strong courageous woman. My Grandmother was an Askew, she was a strong woman who traveled to England in the 50’s after her first husband died, and worked there, unfortunately she had to hide that she was part Aboriginal because she was born in 1911, It was only after her death in 2000 that I got all her childhood photos where it was very evident.
@@magicaltour1 Yes, along with Paul Scofield's Thomas More, Leo McKern's Thomas Cromwell, among many others of the Who's Who of British Actingdom of the time. Easy to get lost in the shuffle.
So many people would have said 'look how this violence is religion's fault' and stopped there, but I love how this story shows how it's way more often about power and politics.
Yes, true religion as preached by Jesus and his Apostles is healing and restorative. Even today the old rules-based Pharasaical tendencies are strong. It was politicians who thought they were protecting God who've screwed it up time and time again. I'm preaching to myself. The implications are scary.
@@XofHope doesn't it? Serving as an excuse for violence presumes that's it's a positive thing. People pretend they're doing violence for good reasons, not cynical ones. If someone uses charity, or love, or righteous anger as an excuse for violence, we don't criticise those things, just the violence. In this case, the violence would be carried out no matter what, and religion was found to be an excuse - because religion is a good thing.
In her time there were few civil rights for women. Being a devout Christian seems not very modern, but in her time, insisting she has a right to read and preach is similar to Afghan women of today asking to have education. 🤓
@@tananario Oh, you went there. Definitely not going to say women are physically tortured or executed here, but the religious extremists in the southern US can still give women a hard time. I grew up in a church where I wasn't supposed to wear pants. I had to wear those awful denim skirts even though they interfered with my mobility condition enough that my physical therapist complained. And they can't stand outspoken women, especially when the women go against men. I and other abuse survivors received backlash when we spoke up about abusive men
She didn't *really* survive it though 😬 Aside from that though, i find it absolutely incredible to have such faith. Not from religious point of view (I'm agnostic), but from a purely human one. How wonderful it must be to have such support in your life that you're able to get through such horrid things...
I felt the same reading about Mary Dyer, who was executed for being a Quaker. She was even given one reprieve so long as she left and didn't come back and keep preaching, and then she _came back and kept preaching_ because she believed it was the right thing to do. Imagine having so much faith that you convert your own executioners?
@@aim-to-misbehave5674It’s not hard. When it would be like asking you to say gravity doesn’t exist, and you should prove it by jumping off this ladder. Try a friends’ meeting some time. I like the silent services.
It is pretty amazing. When the message is that there is a God who knows everything about you, and loves you completely, it can carry you through a lot of shit.
As an atheist I find it a completely, useless waste of a life. It's just plain stupid. I can certainly understand when the person is being tortured for information and refuses to betray secrets, my utmost respect, but because of what flavor is your sky daddy? Very much prefer Henri de Navarre's approach, when offered the throne of France but told he had to convert to catholicism, his famous reply "Paris is well worth a mass!" Almost unanimously proclaimed the best king France ever had.
@@XofHope Why would protecting a certain governmental regime be less wasteful? And how eminently reductive to call it a flavor. Quakers-as opposed to the Catholic church-were pacifists pioneering equality of race and gender, and improved prisons to something reasonably humane (after being repeatedly imprisoned). Even if you disagree with them, their protestantism is the reason religious freedom came about because, at its essence, they were fighting for the freedom to believe what they wanted instead if what was dictated by the government or the masses.
No it was only 4 to 6 weeks. She was first examined first in 1545, but it doesn’t seem she was tortured then. She was arrested in the last week of May 1546, and burnt at the on 16 July 1546. It is not clear when Anne was tortured, but it is more likely it was between May - July 1546, that the torture occurred. Her end was fairly quick as the executioner tied gunpowder to her, which exploded pretty quickly.
@@brontewcat that's silly and was just propagated by the tv series The Tudors. She died screaming like the 3 men burned with her. Gunpowder has to be tightly packed in a container otherwise it just burns. Executioners wouldn't let bombs go off while they were burning people.
@@rackmasterh Um. You need to look at wood cuts of people being burned at the stake from Bloody Mary’s era. You can see that in some there are bags of gunpowder tied to their necks of the victims. I have read an account which says Anne Askew had gunpowder tied to her as well. I have not really watched all the Tudors, and my knowledge of Anne Askew comes from other sources
@@rackmasterh The source I saw about gunpowder being tied to Anne Askew, is Alison Weir’s account in Anne Askew’s death Weir’s The Six Wives of Henry VIII (1991) Pimlico She does not cite her source for this, so it may be apocryphal. But she is using Foxe for most of account of what happened with Anne, so I assume it comes from Foxe. Edit - I have checked the source for there being gunpowder at her execution- it does come from Foxe. Thus it is almost a contemporary account, as Foxe published his Book of Martyrs in 1563, some 17 years after her death, and thus predating that season of The Tudors by nearly 450 years. Foxe is not always accurate, but I understand attaching gunpowder to the victims about to be burnt was not uncommon. Likewise there was also a practice of strangling the victim in other cases. Might I suggest you check your sources before you rubbish comments on the internet.
@@rackmasterh As a matter of interest, Foxe says that certain of the powerful men watching were concerned that the gunpowder would send the faggots flying at them. They were reassured that the gunpowder was just about the victims. Foxe doesn’t say the gunpowder was in bags, but as I said woodcuts from the era do show bags of gunpowder hanging from the victims. So I suppose historians have assumed the gunpowder was in bags at the execution of Anne Askew and the other men, as that was the practice.
No, she DID survive the torture and many people did not survive being tortured in The Tower. She just didn't survive being executed a year later when they burned her at the stake and used an explosive.
@@Sabbathtage I get your point but it's still the Tower of London and she would have still been in pain from the rack. It's also psychologically torturous to know you're going to be burned alive with little notice. It still took a minute for the gunpowder to explode and I'm pretty sure the fire really hurt before that. My point is that the torture didn't end until it killed her. You'd think the rack itself would be excessive punishment for any crime, but alas, not in that time and place.
@@SAOS451316 the Rack as punishment for a crime was not legal at the time. Torture was only legally permitted to extract confessions, not as punishment, which seems like splitting hairs, but was important at the time. Ironically the severe damage done to her likely would not have occured had the Lieutenant of the Tower and his professional torturers been willing to perform the act. The enthusiastic amateurs who took over were incompetent. A second potential cause of Annes misfortune besides any plot against the Queen was the ongoing feud between Rich and Chancellor Wriothesley on the one hand and Archbishop Cranmer on the other. Anne's brother Edward being part of Cranmer's household.
Reminds me of Mary Dyer, a Puritan-turned-Quaker who refused to stop preaching in Puritan New England. She was hanged on the Boston Commons, which you can still visit today. Drunk History did an episode on her.
If wiki is sth to go by, those two were exceptionally nasty individuals in general. Probably didn't expect to find themselves doing the job, but it fitted them.
Here's a question: you're a time-traveler disguised as a Victorian or Edwardian. You have an odd habit of boiling your drinking water even without making tea. You refuse to eat or drink from leaden tableware. You are afraid of construction sites, siting that the loose insulation is bad for your lungs. You refuse medications with Opium in them as though the stuff terrifies you. You keep your house overly ventilated, and when people ask, you mumble something about the green wallpaper and arsenic. What other habits would give you away to other time-travellers?
Messing up your grammar and using anachronisms might be a big "tell", but I think the easiest would be getting the social cues and rules all wrong. Did you greet everyone you are supposed to greet, and did you avert your eyes from those you aren't supposed to make eye contact? Did you dress well enough, but not too well, and did you put on all your garments on in the right order and place? If you are living in place for a while, did you learn who is trustworthy, and were you trustworthy to them? Good on you for keeping your bodily health, but it's not always easy being the "new kid", and you are gonna stick out to other time travelers if they know the rules but you don't.
I know it's wrong but surely when the rack is starting to be turned that must be the best feeling stretch of your life and then after that it rapidly goes down hill.
Check out "spinal decompression therapy". It's literally a machine that pulls you apart. It's just that it stops at a few dozen pounds of pressure (depending on what, exactly, is being decompressed).
From what I heard, the lieutenant ran to the King to complain and he issued an order to stop the torture…probably what made it possible for her to live a bit longer. She (apparently) is my (about) 15th great aunt.
Gospeling still happens in the US, especially in larger cities, except it's called street preaching. Every once in a while it'll happen inside of a store, but most of the time it's outside. They're often pretty aggressive, loud, and definitely not very nice. I can attest that it is quite annoying.
Or college campuses. The evangelicals LOVED to try to corner us on the way to class, or in the student union when all you wanted was your lunch and some peace between classes…
@@KristenK78 I believe it, because they all believe that colleges and universities are evil demonic cesspits where your kids go to be brainwashed into becoming leftists. Or something like that.
You see them occasionally in London too (weirdly nowhere else in the UK as far as I know), especially in touristy areas. It's usually someone just shouting into a microphone or loud hailer something about "sins" or "judgement" or "Jesus". Occasionally there's people handing out leaflets too - this practice isn't restricted to Christians or even just religious groups though. Again, very rare outside of London for some reason.
Cripes... 😟 I dislike rowdy, judgy god-botherers at least as much as the next rational person - but torturing anyone like that is implausibly vile. For all the technological and other 'advances' of that society in that era - over some other Indigenous or traditional societies - those motivations, convictions,and bigotries mark it as _utterly_ grim and hateful. 😬
I love her last words. "I didn't come here to deny anything," more or less. It feels badass, like "I came here to get burnt. You gonna get on with it or what"
It was about her religious views. However, the person they were really after was Katherine Parr. The conservative Catholic faction were trying to bring the Queen down. Anne was burnt at the stake with three men, one of who was John Lassells. John’s sister Mary and John were responsible for informing the Archbishop of Canterbury, Thomas Cranmer and the reformist faction of court about Katherine Howard’s sexual past. That is what brought Katherine Howard down. Do you see a pattern here?
I forwarded your clip to the author's sister, and she will forward it to the author. She will be thrilled to see it. She could have probably used your knowledge of London when she was there researching this book! Glad this post popped up for me.
They never do, that's the problem, and then they're willing to die for whichever flavor of sky daddy they prefer and everyone thinks they're someone to look up to. The sheer amount of arrogance it takes for someone to be that sure their flavor is the right one and everyone else's is wrong!
They don't ever let facts stand on their way. That's the nature of faith, a never ending talent to convince yourself of things that aren't true. It tends to dwindle when sh€t happens to them, then many do go "God can't exist if it let this happen!" They're perfectly fine when it happens to others, because those are obviously sinners and deserved it. Religion is more often than not a combination of ignorance, arrogance, hypocrisy and self-serving wrapped in one package.
Prize for the Fire, by Rilla Askew, Oklahoma author. I know her and her sister, and bought and read the book, but I did delay finishing it, as I knew things were not going to end well for that poor young woman. It was fascinating and disturbing the amount of sway religion can have in politics, and what unlimited power a king has. Everything in politics should be questioned, but nothing in religion is allowed to be, nor is a king.
She was bewilderingly tough, she also commented on gender roles, absolutely dripping with sarcasm, as a subtle slight against her torturers. “She often played upon traditional gender roles to mock her questioners telling them "it is against Saint Paul’s learning, that (she) being a woman, should interpret the scriptures, specially where so many wise men were." (Loewenstein, David (2013). Treacherous Faith: The Specter of Heresy in Early Modern.) Can you imagine having the strength of mind not only to endure the questioning, torture and the threat of an excruciating and unjust death, but right in the middle of it - to give a snarky reply? She was only 25 by the time she died.
Their were Apache father and son (Mangas and Mangas Coloradas) The father was a devote Catholic went on pilgrimage & met the Pope. The son wasn't but was captured by the Calvary. They heated their bayonets til they glowed at night & layed them on his legs. At dawn, he got bored of this & told his captors, he is no child to be played with either let him go, or put a bullet in him (which they did).
Mary was a well educated Temple Virgin. Education trickled down to the gentiles. Priests and brothers and nuns insisted on educating not only nobles, but orphans left in thier care, and local children who were alliwed by thier families. monks spent thier lives copying Scripture, Ladies taught page boys reading writing and singing. Obviously, the majority of populaces were illiterate until the printing press. Illiteracy was still common up until the last century. It seems like education specifically for girls was frowned on even more after the Protostant revolt. And some families simply refused to allow thier children to to taught. Bible in a year podcast with Father Mike Schmitz is fantastic.
Whoa!! I've heard about Anne Askew. But I heard that she was tortured at the Tower of London and that she died on the rack. Her screams is what haunts the tower. How is it possible that she survived?? 😮
"It sounds annoying, but--" Yeah, it's still annoying, I don't care how girl power she was. I honestly don't even care what religion you prescribe to or believe in; I could walk out of a restaurant and find someone spewing my exact religious beliefs on a street corner and I still be like: Dude, I'm trying to have a nice night out!
That's so sad. I could almost cry, very honestly. As an infp and an empathic person...I really don't understand torture and anything similar, even if all the times of being stepped on and hurt have brought out some dark traits and ptsd, sadly. What a brave woman. 2 of my great-great-great (etc, etc) grandmothers were Mary Dyer and Anne Hutchinson. Id heard that Mary and Anne were friends and knew my grandpa's older brother had traced us back to Mary, but I didn't know that Anne was also my ancestor. Anne's granddaughter, also named Anne married Mary's son, Samuel Dyer. I also recently found out that I'm distantly related to my favorite us president, Franklin Roosevelt, because we are both descendants of Anne's son Eduard.
The funny thing is she would say “no they aren’t allowed to speak in a congregation” when in fact he says no woman may teach men whatsoever, and also the bible says you shouldn’t preach on street corners (Mat 6:5). The fact is she was right with her passion and wanting to share and spread it. She was wrong in her interpretation of scripture
That's freaking wild! Props to Anne for divorcing her husband on the spot, though.
The clip seems to imply that she thought her husband divorced her by throwing her out. The logic makes a lot of sense to me. If someone refuses to see their spouse that’s abandonment which in my mind is equivalent to divorce without a certificate.
@@annagallo1898 actually, it says in the Bible that if you marry a non-believer and they then abandon you, it is seen as divorce in the eye of god. Her husband asked the local pastor what to do about her, to which he told him to throw her out. He didn't know the bible as well as she did. She went to London to have the divorce finalised in the eye of the law as well, but the judge ruled that she had to go back to her husband immediately (which she didn't do). That lady was determined af.
On Jennifer's video about Anne Boleyn, she mentions the book 'Divorced, Beheaded, Survived', which analyses each influental woman of the time, from Henry VIIs mother, over Henry VIIIs wives and then his daughters. Really interesting to see these women so in charge of their lives for once.
Yeah, I dont know... she basically got killed for following her beliefs, I dont know if that was the best course of action.
I cant avoid thinking that she would have lived longer if she stayed with her then husband.
@@CarlosMendez-tn5zi Well, you need to see it from the perspective of someone living during that time - to them, god and religion were as true as breathing. She lived in a world in which everything - law, family, love - was only because god said so. That meant to her that if she were to keep quiet, she would be directly going against the law of god and curse her immortal soul.
Men like Wolsey used religion as a way to gain power and riches. But she truly believed in god and his plan, so she went and spoke her mind. What happened to her on earth did not matter, because she would be spreading the true word of god. She was more than just down with becoming a martyr, similar to Katherine of Aragon, who was only ever concerned with obeying her husband in all things, except those that went against her conscience. Anne was different in that she placed god above all, even her husband.
@@CarlosMendez-tn5zi She might have lived longer, but she would have been miserable. It was her sister, who unexpectedly died, whom the father had made the marriage arrangement for. After her death, rather than lose out on the deal, he quickly substituted the unsuspecting younger sister, Anne.
There’s so many stories like this, and I always love hearing new ones. I remember hearing about an old man was sentenced to death during the Salem Witch trials, to be killed by stacking stones on a slab that was set on top of him. After a while, they hear snaps and stuff from under the slab and they ask if he wants to confess and the dude just says “more weight.” Another one is a partisan in… Poland I want to say. She was caught by the Nazis and as they are prepping to put her neck in the noose, they say that they will free her if she gives up her co-conspirators. She final words are: “You’ll find out who they are when they come to kill you.”
Giles Corey. Brave bad ass. If he’d confessed his property would have been taken from him and given back to the town. His children and his wife (also accused of witchcraft) would have inherited nothing. Land was everything in New England. So it took three days for him to die. His son in laws inherited his estate. His third wife Martha, was hung three days after his death.
Giles Corey was the "more weight" guy.
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Also, he wasn't being pressed to confess, he was being pressed to enter a plea. If he'd pled guilty, his land would have been forfeited to the court and sold. If he'd pled not guilty, he'd have been found guilty and his land would have been forfeited to the court and sold.
So he was enduring the torture to prevent his heirs from losing their property.
(Which, in fairness, had only relatively recently been acquired, King Philip's War only being less than twenty years before the witch trials.)
The person you're thinking of saying "You'll find out who they are when they come to kill you" may have been Lepa Svetozara Radić an anti-Nazi partisan from Boznia-Herzegovina which at the time was part of Yugoslavia. Funnily enough the photo of her having the noose put on her neck was found on a dead soldier killed by the resistance. The only quote of her saying the line was ""I am not a traitor of my people. Those whom you are asking about will reveal themselves when they have succeeded in wiping out all you evildoers, to the last man."
I remember hearing is this story about the guy with the weight, but I could not tell you when or where… It has been a very long time. Thank you for that memory.
They would have murdered her anyway, even if she recanted. I’ve heard that Anne Boleyn was offered her life if she confessed to her crimes, but she knew better than to take that deal. While it took time for the executioner to arrive from France, she got a quick death by beheading. Had she actually confessed to things, I believe that Henry would have made her death as painful and humiliating as possible. He was a monster.
Well interestingly most heretics were offered a chance to recant their beliefs and survive. And some were genuinely released. The idea was that they were a much better example to others if they returned to the fold. You know like the power and mercy of God revealed. The only time they'd kill a recanting heretic is if they'd done something hainous alongside the heresy. Witches were screwed if they were tried as heretics rather than by secular courts (though, of course, also screwed if prosecuted by secular courts), because they might recant but they were typically still believed to have hurt people or destroyed their stuff, or had sex with the devil or something.
Anne Boleyn is different, she was executed for treason. No getting out of that one.
Yes, he was dreadful. But isn't there a theory that the jousting accident left him brain damaged? Prior to it he was allegedly quite the catch. Muddies the waters a bit for me. Either way, it's such a shame.
@@sitcomchristian6886He tried to divorce his first wife by force and have her sent to a nunnery against her will, far away from her family, because he wanted to marry the girl he was cheating on her with. 😂😅❤🎉
He was a monster.
That all happened BEFORE the head injury.
He was a monster before the head injury.
The head injury is just an excuse
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they really thought she would plead for her life after they had already broken her body beyond repair
Oh gosh, that's horrific.
As my grandpa used to say:
"Man's inhumanity to Man
Makes thousands mourn."
Not sure we are much better today, five centuries later.
Thank you Ms Draper, you'd be a fabulous history teacher, inspiring young minds to understand and question the past, so that they can better deal with their futures.
Go well, one foot in front of the other when times are tough.
"Man's inhumanity to Man make thusands mourn." What a strong line. Sadly true still to this very day, just look at Ukraine, or the Gaza strib. Its inhumane in every matter of word.
My father used to mutter the line, "man's inhumanity to man " but never completed the quote. Thank you for the missing bit. But, it's shameful for humanity how relevant this is today.
@@christophersmith108 It's an ages old saying that's been past down and uttered on report of any gross cruelty or violence between humans, past or present, that horrifies.
Homo homini homo.
It seems to be a poem by Rabbie Burns "Many and sharp the numerous ills
Inwoven with our frame;
More pointed still, we make ourselves
Regret, remorse and shame;
And man, whose heaven-erected face
The smiles of love adorn,
Man's inhumanity to man,
Makes countless thousands mourn."
Wow, Anne was a badass. It reminds me of the accounts of Jean d'Arc prying during her burning at the stake. Just not giving your executioners the satisfaction of seeing you sqaurm. Also, it reminds me of a nun in Mexico named Ser Juana, who was showing up everyone with her intelligence and had joined the church to get access to all of the books they had. They tried to humble her, so she wrote a sarcastic letter about how she was the worst nun in the world and signed it in her own blood. Those women feared no one.
For extra lady badassery, Joan d'Arcs MOM managed to convince the PAPAL INQUISITION to investigate Joan's trial, which eventually resulted in everyone that had been involved in it be declared heretics and blasphemers for breaking many, many rules including kidnapping the local Vice-Inquisitor to preside over the trial; excessive punishments, the crimes that they did sentence Joan for would ordinarily only have warranted a slap on the wrist at most; and having a biased jury (the jury members were only English and Burgundian, you know, the current enemies of France). Unfourtunately these excommuncations were largely posthumous, as the Inquisition had to wait for the conflict to calm down before they could do their investigation
They feared the Lord.
@sitcomchristian6886 They loved the Lord. There's a very big difference.
When people talk about religious extremism, they often forget that - at all times - politics and religion have been united.
Politics and religion is an unholy alliance that brings out the worst in humanity. It gives credence to the holier than thou bunch and can invite the corruption of both religion and politics.
@@LoriCianiabsolutely agree. And yet I find people on the internet saying that secularism is poisoning society and we should stop it. Like, wtf?!
Mix religion and politics
and you get politics.
Historically, there's not really a fine line between the two, before the Enlightenment.
10000%... religions are organized crime syndicates. It doesn't matter which one, either.
I love these historical examples of women going against the grain and being total badasses 🔥
What an amazing woman she was, I had heard of her story before, such a strong courageous woman.
My Grandmother was an Askew, she was a strong woman who traveled to England in the 50’s after her first husband died, and worked there, unfortunately she had to hide that she was part Aboriginal because she was born in 1911, It was only after her death in 2000 that I got all her childhood photos where it was very evident.
I'd almost forgotten what an absolute stinker Richard Rich was! And this was a time when the competition for outstanding stinker was really intense.
Richard Rich…didn’t John Hurt play him in “A Man For All Seasons?” One of his earlier roles.
@@magicaltour1 Yes, along with Paul Scofield's Thomas More, Leo McKern's Thomas Cromwell, among many others of the Who's Who of British Actingdom of the time. Easy to get lost in the shuffle.
So many people would have said 'look how this violence is religion's fault' and stopped there, but I love how this story shows how it's way more often about power and politics.
Used through religion (the one currently on top)
Yes, true religion as preached by Jesus and his Apostles is healing and restorative. Even today the old rules-based Pharasaical tendencies are strong. It was politicians who thought they were protecting God who've screwed it up time and time again. I'm preaching to myself. The implications are scary.
@@PatrickKQ4HBDclerics also had high interests to alter the meaning of "the word of god" to their favers. And they often did.
With religion as a cover and excuse, which doesn't absolve it in the least.
@@XofHope doesn't it? Serving as an excuse for violence presumes that's it's a positive thing. People pretend they're doing violence for good reasons, not cynical ones. If someone uses charity, or love, or righteous anger as an excuse for violence, we don't criticise those things, just the violence. In this case, the violence would be carried out no matter what, and religion was found to be an excuse - because religion is a good thing.
In her time there were few civil rights for women.
Being a devout Christian seems not very modern, but in her time, insisting she has a right to read and preach is similar to Afghan women of today asking to have education.
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Or women preaching in many American churches. Or wearing pants.
@@tananario Oh, you went there. Definitely not going to say women are physically tortured or executed here, but the religious extremists in the southern US can still give women a hard time. I grew up in a church where I wasn't supposed to wear pants. I had to wear those awful denim skirts even though they interfered with my mobility condition enough that my physical therapist complained. And they can't stand outspoken women, especially when the women go against men. I and other abuse survivors received backlash when we spoke up about abusive men
@@JS-L90 Yeah, because rotting from the inside after a partial miscarriage isn't torturous or deadly..../s
Wrong
Lie a lot don’t we
"I came not hither to deny my lord and master." What a total badass!
what a stand out lady
She didn't *really* survive it though 😬
Aside from that though, i find it absolutely incredible to have such faith. Not from religious point of view (I'm agnostic), but from a purely human one. How wonderful it must be to have such support in your life that you're able to get through such horrid things...
I felt the same reading about Mary Dyer, who was executed for being a Quaker. She was even given one reprieve so long as she left and didn't come back and keep preaching, and then she _came back and kept preaching_ because she believed it was the right thing to do. Imagine having so much faith that you convert your own executioners?
@@aim-to-misbehave5674It’s not hard. When it would be like asking you to say gravity doesn’t exist, and you should prove it by jumping off this ladder. Try a friends’ meeting some time. I like the silent services.
It is pretty amazing. When the message is that there is a God who knows everything about you, and loves you completely, it can carry you through a lot of shit.
As an atheist I find it a completely, useless waste of a life. It's just plain stupid. I can certainly understand when the person is being tortured for information and refuses to betray secrets, my utmost respect, but because of what flavor is your sky daddy? Very much prefer Henri de Navarre's approach, when offered the throne of France but told he had to convert to catholicism, his famous reply "Paris is well worth a mass!" Almost unanimously proclaimed the best king France ever had.
@@XofHope Why would protecting a certain governmental regime be less wasteful? And how eminently reductive to call it a flavor. Quakers-as opposed to the Catholic church-were pacifists pioneering equality of race and gender, and improved prisons to something reasonably humane (after being repeatedly imprisoned). Even if you disagree with them, their protestantism is the reason religious freedom came about because, at its essence, they were fighting for the freedom to believe what they wanted instead if what was dictated by the government or the masses.
Props to Anne for choosing sisters before misters and God above all.
So she spent a year with dislocated sockets? 🤢😖
No it was only 4 to 6 weeks. She was first examined first in 1545, but it doesn’t seem she was tortured then. She was arrested in the last week of May 1546, and burnt at the on 16 July 1546.
It is not clear when Anne was tortured, but it is more likely it was between May - July 1546, that the torture occurred. Her end was fairly quick as the executioner tied gunpowder to her, which exploded pretty quickly.
@@brontewcat that's silly and was just propagated by the tv series The Tudors. She died screaming like the 3 men burned with her. Gunpowder has to be tightly packed in a container otherwise it just burns. Executioners wouldn't let bombs go off while they were burning people.
@@rackmasterh Um. You need to look at wood cuts of people being burned at the stake from Bloody Mary’s era. You can see that in some there are bags of gunpowder tied to their necks of the victims.
I have read an account which says Anne Askew had gunpowder tied to her as well.
I have not really watched all the Tudors, and my knowledge of Anne Askew comes from other sources
@@rackmasterh The source I saw about gunpowder being tied to Anne Askew, is Alison Weir’s account in Anne Askew’s death Weir’s The Six Wives of Henry VIII (1991) Pimlico She does not cite her source for this, so it may be apocryphal. But she is using Foxe for most of account of what happened with Anne, so I assume it comes from Foxe.
Edit - I have checked the source for there being gunpowder at her execution- it does come from Foxe. Thus it is almost a contemporary account, as Foxe published his Book of Martyrs in 1563, some 17 years after her death, and thus predating that season of The Tudors by nearly 450 years. Foxe is not always accurate, but I understand attaching gunpowder to the victims about to be burnt was not uncommon. Likewise there was also a practice of strangling the victim in other cases.
Might I suggest you check your sources before you rubbish comments on the internet.
@@rackmasterh As a matter of interest, Foxe says that certain of the powerful men watching were concerned that the gunpowder would send the faggots flying at them. They were reassured that the gunpowder was just about the victims.
Foxe doesn’t say the gunpowder was in bags, but as I said woodcuts from the era do show bags of gunpowder hanging from the victims. So I suppose historians have assumed the gunpowder was in bags at the execution of Anne Askew and the other men, as that was the practice.
This is horrible. She didn't deserve that.
Wow, never heard of this martyr before. Bless her righteous & pure heart. What a brave woman!
I'm not sure that counts as surviving. Dying directly from the torture seems like it was frowned upon though.
No, she DID survive the torture and many people did not survive being tortured in The Tower.
She just didn't survive being executed a year later when they burned her at the stake and used an explosive.
@@Sabbathtage I get your point but it's still the Tower of London and she would have still been in pain from the rack. It's also psychologically torturous to know you're going to be burned alive with little notice. It still took a minute for the gunpowder to explode and I'm pretty sure the fire really hurt before that. My point is that the torture didn't end until it killed her.
You'd think the rack itself would be excessive punishment for any crime, but alas, not in that time and place.
@@SAOS451316 the Rack as punishment for a crime was not legal at the time. Torture was only legally permitted to extract confessions, not as punishment, which seems like splitting hairs, but was important at the time. Ironically the severe damage done to her likely would not have occured had the Lieutenant of the Tower and his professional torturers been willing to perform the act. The enthusiastic amateurs who took over were incompetent.
A second potential cause of Annes misfortune besides any plot against the Queen was the ongoing feud between Rich and Chancellor Wriothesley on the one hand and Archbishop Cranmer on the other. Anne's brother Edward being part of Cranmer's household.
Death during torture was seen as evidence of your guilt.
@@vangu2918 That sure does seem ridiculous nowadays doesn't it.
Imagine being tortured by Richie Rich and friend!
But at least they didn't have to listen to '80s music.
I knew those kids were little bstards…
They went so hard on poor Anne that even the Tower torturers felt badly and refused to continue. It was awful.
What I love about your channel is that you will tell the most horrific stories and smile the whole way through
Anne really said "I came here to check out, not sell out" that's gangsta as fuck!
Reminds me of Mary Dyer, a Puritan-turned-Quaker who refused to stop preaching in Puritan New England. She was hanged on the Boston Commons, which you can still visit today. Drunk History did an episode on her.
There's a statue of her on the front lawn of the State House, too.
I can't even imagine! After that much pain I'd probably say anything they wanted me to!
If wiki is sth to go by, those two were exceptionally nasty individuals in general. Probably didn't expect to find themselves doing the job, but it fitted them.
season 1, episode 5, Trial By Fire of the podcast Outliers tells her story! and it's really well done
Excellent summarization. So succinct. Unlike most other videos. Thank you.
I love this story! Good for Anne, God bless her. ❤
She certainly went to great lengths for her principles.
Here's a question: you're a time-traveler disguised as a Victorian or Edwardian. You have an odd habit of boiling your drinking water even without making tea. You refuse to eat or drink from leaden tableware. You are afraid of construction sites, siting that the loose insulation is bad for your lungs. You refuse medications with Opium in them as though the stuff terrifies you. You keep your house overly ventilated, and when people ask, you mumble something about the green wallpaper and arsenic. What other habits would give you away to other time-travellers?
eating “poisonous” fruits and vegetables
Messing up your grammar and using anachronisms might be a big "tell", but I think the easiest would be getting the social cues and rules all wrong. Did you greet everyone you are supposed to greet, and did you avert your eyes from those you aren't supposed to make eye contact? Did you dress well enough, but not too well, and did you put on all your garments on in the right order and place? If you are living in place for a while, did you learn who is trustworthy, and were you trustworthy to them? Good on you for keeping your bodily health, but it's not always easy being the "new kid", and you are gonna stick out to other time travelers if they know the rules but you don't.
How is she not canonized, holy shit
By whom? The Church of England, which killed her? The Catholic Church, which would have killed her too?
Reformers/protestants, generally, don't canonize anyone. But they can become "a martyr for The Cause".
Yeah wrong denomination my friend 😂
A very brave person.
The lady had balls
"Gospeling" wasn't just a thing back then, it's very much a thing now. Visit NYC and you'll see people doing this everywhere.
That is crazy! Good on her for standing up for her beliefs until the end though
I know it's wrong but surely when the rack is starting to be turned that must be the best feeling stretch of your life and then after that it rapidly goes down hill.
Check out "spinal decompression therapy". It's literally a machine that pulls you apart. It's just that it stops at a few dozen pounds of pressure (depending on what, exactly, is being decompressed).
Wow I wish I had her courage and independence especially with how much harder it was during those times as well.
Instructions unclear - still in the dungeon
From what I heard, the lieutenant ran to the King to complain and he issued an order to stop the torture…probably what made it possible for her to live a bit longer. She (apparently) is my (about) 15th great aunt.
Gospeling still happens in the US, especially in larger cities, except it's called street preaching. Every once in a while it'll happen inside of a store, but most of the time it's outside. They're often pretty aggressive, loud, and definitely not very nice. I can attest that it is quite annoying.
Or college campuses. The evangelicals LOVED to try to corner us on the way to class, or in the student union when all you wanted was your lunch and some peace between classes…
@@KristenK78 I believe it, because they all believe that colleges and universities are evil demonic cesspits where your kids go to be brainwashed into becoming leftists. Or something like that.
You see them occasionally in London too (weirdly nowhere else in the UK as far as I know), especially in touristy areas. It's usually someone just shouting into a microphone or loud hailer something about "sins" or "judgement" or "Jesus". Occasionally there's people handing out leaflets too - this practice isn't restricted to Christians or even just religious groups though. Again, very rare outside of London for some reason.
@@hannahk1306 They are everywhere in Birmingham City centre. Absolutely everywhere! Of all religions mind, not just Christanity.
@@IAmTheBeckett Birmingham doesn't surprise me, I've not spent much time there though so never personally seen it.
What a great video. Thanks. I only know of Richard Rich from "a man for all seasons"
I miss your longer videoes but i love the content regardless
Cripes... 😟 I dislike rowdy, judgy god-botherers at least as much as the next rational person - but torturing anyone like that is implausibly vile.
For all the technological and other 'advances' of that society in that era - over some other Indigenous or traditional societies - those motivations, convictions,and bigotries mark it as _utterly_ grim and hateful. 😬
Anne Askew has always been so interesting to me! I love seeing her brought up here 😊
Truly enjoy your content.
It’s gruesome, but her delivery is fantastic!
Back when people who had their arms and legs destroyed still had a mind and a spine!
What?
God I love waking up to new Draper posts. ❤
IS London in a heat wave? Seems a bit late in the season for such a summer outfit...and rather "cheery" for such a grim subject. You're a JOY
I love her last words. "I didn't come here to deny anything," more or less. It feels badass, like "I came here to get burnt. You gonna get on with it or what"
It wasn't really about her religion. It was about her being a woman who wouldn't submit to men. Sometimes religion works... kinda... sorta...
It was about her religious views. However, the person they were really after was Katherine Parr. The conservative Catholic faction were trying to bring the Queen down.
Anne was burnt at the stake with three men, one of who was John Lassells. John’s sister Mary and John were responsible for informing the Archbishop of Canterbury, Thomas Cranmer and the reformist faction of court about Katherine Howard’s sexual past. That is what brought Katherine Howard down.
Do you see a pattern here?
Aye, zealotry is doing great right about now.
Well she was a Protestant so it was about religion
I forwarded your clip to the author's sister, and she will forward it to the author. She will be thrilled to see it. She could have probably used your knowledge of London when she was there researching this book! Glad this post popped up for me.
What a woman! ❤️ I am in awe her!
She asked all the right questions except for one. Does this fictional sky daddy I am willing to die for actually exist. No, Anne, it doesn't.
They never do, that's the problem, and then they're willing to die for whichever flavor of sky daddy they prefer and everyone thinks they're someone to look up to. The sheer amount of arrogance it takes for someone to be that sure their flavor is the right one and everyone else's is wrong!
Isn’t religion great kids!?
Stop making me want to re-read Hilary Mantel’s ‘Thomas Cromwell’ trilogy!
I was tortured at the Tower of London. They replaced the dungeon with....a gift shop!
Curiously but really don't understand how can people have faith when this kind of things ever happened
These kinds of things are due to sin, and what people perpetrate on each other, they're not willed by God.
They don't ever let facts stand on their way. That's the nature of faith, a never ending talent to convince yourself of things that aren't true. It tends to dwindle when sh€t happens to them, then many do go "God can't exist if it let this happen!" They're perfectly fine when it happens to others, because those are obviously sinners and deserved it. Religion is more often than not a combination of ignorance, arrogance, hypocrisy and self-serving wrapped in one package.
But ... Jusy asking... if got cant prevent such thing and cant protect the most loyal servant of his, why does he deserve any worship
Prize for the Fire, by Rilla Askew, Oklahoma author. I know her and her sister, and bought and read the book, but I did delay finishing it, as I knew things were not going to end well for that poor young woman. It was fascinating and disturbing the amount of sway religion can have in politics, and what unlimited power a king has. Everything in politics should be questioned, but nothing in religion is allowed to be, nor is a king.
Seems Call-Me-Risley continued to be a little so-and-so
Wow.
I'm off to librivox/project Gutenberg looking for Anne Askew.
Wow that’s really metal in a variety of ways!
Completely misunderstood the title and thought I was about to hear how long underwear saved someone from torture.
Great episode, thanks
This is why we separation of church and state. Vote out the religious right that want to impose church views on our free society.
I was one of many dragged against my will to the tower. We had just a short time on a layover. I wanted to see Belfast but instead I got jewelry.
She was bewilderingly tough, she also commented on gender roles, absolutely dripping with sarcasm, as a subtle slight against her torturers.
“She often played upon traditional gender roles to mock her questioners telling them "it is against Saint Paul’s learning, that (she) being a woman, should interpret the scriptures, specially where so many wise men were." (Loewenstein, David (2013). Treacherous Faith: The Specter of Heresy in Early Modern.)
Can you imagine having the strength of mind not only to endure the questioning, torture and the threat of an excruciating and unjust death, but right in the middle of it - to give a snarky reply? She was only 25 by the time she died.
Damn she was metal as hell
I've heard of Anne Askew - an amazing woman of God! Kudos to her!
Just came here to say, even though I'm waay behind, I love ur dress/top, it's so pretty!!
Bad bad ass human extremism, politics, misogyny, power, heroism and spite in story
Wow thats awful
It sounds annoying because it is.
AA & JD = two amazing women 💃💪🏼👍
Their were Apache father and son (Mangas and Mangas Coloradas) The father was a devote Catholic went on pilgrimage & met the Pope.
The son wasn't but was captured by the Calvary. They heated their bayonets til they glowed at night & layed them on his legs. At dawn, he got bored of this & told his captors, he is no child to be played with either let him go, or put a bullet in him (which they did).
That's a lot of words for saying 'a religious fanatic'.
Mary was a well educated Temple Virgin. Education trickled down to the gentiles.
Priests and brothers and nuns insisted on educating not only nobles, but orphans left in thier care, and local children who were alliwed by thier families.
monks spent thier lives copying Scripture, Ladies taught page boys reading writing and singing.
Obviously, the majority of populaces were illiterate until the printing press.
Illiteracy was still common up until the last century.
It seems like education specifically for girls was frowned on even more after the Protostant revolt. And some families simply refused to allow thier children to to taught.
Bible in a year podcast with Father Mike Schmitz is fantastic.
Anne Askew: Ultra-badass. One question: Is the Richard Rich you mentioned the same Richard Rich who testified against Thomas More?
…can I delusionally believe she was named Anne after Anne B?? No one can stop me 😂😂😂😂
Whoa!! I've heard about Anne Askew. But I heard that she was tortured at the Tower of London and that she died on the rack. Her screams is what haunts the tower.
How is it possible that she survived?? 😮
Oh my God she was tortured by Richie Rich.
We were talking about statues of women in London
I love your historical facts!!!
What heretical beliefs did she hold?
When You would think that life is boring in modern world think of Ann. Her life was so interesting and full of passions
Lovely human nature...
"It sounds annoying, but--" Yeah, it's still annoying, I don't care how girl power she was. I honestly don't even care what religion you prescribe to or believe in; I could walk out of a restaurant and find someone spewing my exact religious beliefs on a street corner and I still be like: Dude, I'm trying to have a nice night out!
Upside down Jen always brings a smile 😀
Anne: *gets abandoned for being insufferable*
J Draper: "girl power!"
All she did was read, memorize, recite, and spread the good news.
Prithee, dear sir, would you not want a smart wife who loves the Lord?
@@damnedifidonut Not someone who's so zealous that even people who's dayjob is to be religious zealots are like 'Woah this chick is going too far'.
Anne was so real for this
Tragic story. I wonder did her torturers get into any trouble for conspiring against the queen?
Terrifying. Poor woman.
Bless her!
That's so sad. I could almost cry, very honestly. As an infp and an empathic person...I really don't understand torture and anything similar, even if all the times of being stepped on and hurt have brought out some dark traits and ptsd, sadly. What a brave woman. 2 of my great-great-great (etc, etc) grandmothers were Mary Dyer and Anne Hutchinson. Id heard that Mary and Anne were friends and knew my grandpa's older brother had traced us back to Mary, but I didn't know that Anne was also my ancestor. Anne's granddaughter, also named Anne married Mary's son, Samuel Dyer. I also recently found out that I'm distantly related to my favorite us president, Franklin Roosevelt, because we are both descendants of Anne's son Eduard.
Poor woman 😢😢😢
The funny thing is she would say “no they aren’t allowed to speak in a congregation” when in fact he says no woman may teach men whatsoever, and also the bible says you shouldn’t preach on street corners (Mat 6:5).
The fact is she was right with her passion and wanting to share and spread it. She was wrong in her interpretation of scripture
I'm always watching these videos trying to guess what the next camera angle is gonna be and I'm always wrong :P
0:51 the changing angles distracted me lol
I'm always amazed how many people were killed in history in the name of God. Complete hypocrisy to their teachings.