Discovering Homo naledi’s meaningful burials
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- Опубліковано 4 чер 2023
- As a part of the Rising Star program, National Geographic explorer-in-residence Lee Berger and his team discovered evidence that Homo naledi buried their dead and used symbols for communicating.
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They had "Souls". They Loved. They Laughed. And Now, they're gone. Bless Their Hearts and Minds......
That's what I was just thinking about. Laughter and grief cross time and even species, it seems. Perhaps in the Unified Field - where consciousness continues and is somehow universally connected, we'll know the answers one day.
@@mortalclown3812 Hari Krsna! To touch The Universal Consciousness, one need only touch SAMADHI.
what's a "soul"?
@@zhou_sei The "Energy" that is separate from The Body, that would lead you to ask: "What is a Soul?" I suggest you read The Bhagavad Gita.
@@gregorytremaine1164 i have read the bagavad gita. there is no indication that it is anything but a myth. a good book, to be sure, but i do not buy into the whole soul thing.
This site just keeps getting more and more incredible!
Absolutely fascinating and heroic. That tiny space he crawled through... just no.
Props.
I was thinking the same thing, throught that little tight spot, i had an mri last week and almost called it quits 5 mins in😂
Imagine dragging a body through it for a burial ceremony.
Wow...the dedication of this man and his team...amazing and I'm in awe. Glad you did it and were brave enough to do it!
Alpino, it's a cutthroat world in archaeological academia lol. NatGeo fellow for a reason.
What's your CV?
Lost weight, Tore his rotator cuff and dislocated his shoulder just to get to the site. Claustrophobia doesn't quite cut it
Never fails to amaze me the length Europeans will go through to dig up African History. Wonder why there isn't as much desire to dig up European History. Why are white archaeologists always digging in Africa instead of checking out the subterranean caves in Europe they came out of?
I watched the documentary on Netflix a few nights ago. At first I thought this is a discovery indeed, but then it began to fall apart. There are so many holes in what we are being told that I can see how the story will unravel in the future There is really no evidence that this was a burial, or that was a stone tool (we don't even know what type of rock it is and that's a pretty important piece of missing information), or that the marks were made by the species or that they made fire. There is no evidence to link one to the other.. Yes it was amazing that he got down the chute, that was an achievement. However we mustn't forget the others of his team who were going there already...was this really just about his achievement, I felt that the documentary sidelined us on that point. Leaving so many questions about H Naledi.
Yes. I wrote earlier: "Burials"?? It's a 40' vertical shaft and required low-crawling thru tunnels. . . and it was at the "base of a chute", so buried by falling debris over thousands of years.
Homo sapiens likely carved those symbols on the walls. . . . The chimp most likely went/fell in there and died on its/their own. There's sooo much silly conjecture by this "scientist" who "discovered" this site. To just immediately conclude that it was these chimps-creatures from 100k years ago who "buried" there own, and did the carvings. . . well, that's just plain silly self-aggrandizing behavior, and very unscientific.
Also, thise marks look very fresh, and could have been accidentally created by the people and their gear. . . it's just a mish-mash of scrathes really.
yeah i agree there are very few things linking the discoveries together, but them burying the dead seems like the only reason for this many members of the species being in the cave, it was definitely deliberate the way they put the bodies in the cave that is not easy to enter
Peer reviewed papers will say otherwise. It is an amazing discovery.
@@dylan-cj1cgPeer reviewed papers already said that there is not enough evidence to say that it was a burial.
I agree. I'm half way through the documentary and it's not looking good. I don't understand how it being a burial is the only conclusive cause. I buried our hamster when he died. If we lose all of our records and 1000 years down the line, another civilization rises and finds my hamster, does it make sense for them to assume that hamsters were capable of burying their dead? What other evidence do we have to support this theory? Can we prove without doubt that it was a burial site!
Absolutely amazing! We’ve learned so much about our hominin family thanks to the incredible work of Lee Berger and his team.
Fascinating. Just fascinating. Also I got a feeling of claustrophobia just watching. My god !
Ditto. 😂
Amazing. So glad we are learning more and more about our planets past.
That's amazing. The story and visuals of them in that space is harrowing. A once in a lifetime experience indeed... I would have advocated for a rover of some type, personally. Lol. Amazing work, team. 👍
Berger is the most important paleo-archeologist ever. He is a hero.
Lol his head's big enough. He's definitely done important work, but there are far too many heroic, brilliant archaeologists in the past to give the prize to one, imo.
It's good that there are people who are willing to go to extremes in the interest of science. But just looking at how confining that space was that he was crawling through brought up my claustrophobia!
His claims are in need of a great deal of vetting…and I’m excited for the outcome of more reviews.
Incredible!
Thanks very much for your research
Thank you and your team
2:37 damn thats dedication.
Congrats, Dr. Berger and team!
As this scientist knows, intelligence is not all about size. It is more about the diversity and complexity of different neuronal types, and the complexity and degree of their inter-connectivity.
Fungi….
Amazing
Was the cave this compact that long ago? Land moves slowly so it could have been a little bigger in space
I encourage everyone to take everything with a grain of salt. This was all announced before the peer reviews came out, and they need to be considered in the entire picture. Berger's story has changed many times, and there is a great deal to keep in mind. Look at what the scientific consensus is at the moment, not just what Berger is saying. Check out my hour-long interview with him for more, and others.
Wow
I'm wondering who went inside that kind of cave first!? Why do they even squeeze himself/herself into that cave for the first time!?? 😳
Question. COULD the hash tags marks found have evolved into the "swastika" symbol that is found all around the world
Why isn’t this all over the news!!! I have been following this for awhile!!!
spirituality, writing and discovery of fire was not started from human beings...... Human being like Consciousness was started 100K before, in another species ... another strong evidence of evolution...
"human" is not a species, it is a genus.
I can't wait for the Nova episode about this.
I was just watching a YT video called 'Asking hunter-gatherers about life's toughest questions' (ua-cam.com/video/TAGjuRwx_Y8/v-deo.html) in Tanzania, and the head of the tribe was asked, 'What happens after you die?'. His reply was, 'When someone dies, we put them deep in a cave'. I immediately thought of this and the remains that were found in this cave, and thought it was interesting that current hunter-gatherers are following the same practise.
I was looking at the photos of the art and it´s probably the sleep deprivation talking since I´v fallen down the rabbit hole of youtube browsing at 1 a.m. Again. But the lines kinda remind me of the map of the cave system when you are looking at it. 😅🤗
Naledi Is probably in our lineage however.
I wonder if they had some religion which required these funerary rites
Very cool finding! But I am skeptical of the statement that, "I was the first human in history to recognize another species' symbols." What about people who studied, or for that matter first came into contact with Neanderthals? What about the skinny people who got in the cave first? (I got this impression from the video). It also seems a stretch to say that this erases human exceptionalism because there is no evidence of H. naledi visiting the moon or inventing Chat GPT-4. No need to blow anything out of proportion, these finding are interesting without doing that.
He was the first person to identify the markings and the fire usage.
Also, what about all the researchers working with chimps and other animals using tools to communicate. Animals use the same chemicals to think and feel as we do. Yes, sapiens are special but we are still in the dark ages of understanding animal minds and communications.
What's so special about Chat GPT-4? They left the whole concept behind hundreds of thousands of years ago, you primitive being! And they came all the way from Pluto, do you think the Moon has any importance? 🧐 🤔 🤨 😤
In this sense "human exceptionalism" means not human (which "human" = genus Homo) but the old mentality that Homo sapiens were fundamentally different, at the foundations, we once thought we Homo sapiens were the only to use tools, than we realized that was wrong, than we realize that non Homininae animals also do. Than we thought we Homo sapiens were the first and only to make fire, we were wrong, not only were we not the only, we were not the first. So it doesn't mean modern traits, it's refering to fundamental differences between us and other humans of genus Homo or Hominini and Hominina in general.
And as far as I know these might be the first intentionally made symbols that we know about.
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What does research with chimps have to do with this. He is refering to one the earliest, if not the earliest, intentionally designed recorded symbols. We are talking about something hundreds of thousands of years ago at the same time as the damn of Homo sapiens but long before we have evidence of Homo sapiens having such features/traits/habits/skills.
This is awesome. Closest we might ever get to discovering Aliens.
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We knew about this 7 years ago I'm lost y people act like this is new
God Bless You all ❤
trolling? 😅
What would a cat do if it was trapped in a cave? Would it sleep in a comfy hole and possibly dig a little bit to make it more comfortable? These are not burial graves, they’re deathbeds.
This brings it from not only the paleoanthropology realm, but to the paleoarcheology realm, in that they are finding intentionally made human cultural artifacts ("human" being genus Homo).
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Nope Lloyd Pye explains it pretty well
Good thing he found this, before his investors took away the money 😂
You obviously don' know jack sh*t about this discovery.
Better to be silent and thought of as a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.
He's a NatGeo fellow. Job secure.
Of course homosapiens are the exceptional ones we either out bred or defeated the others, that makes us exceptional ones
yeah, we're just not that special
The script writers for this movie had a vivid imagination.
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Did we cross breed with them like with Neanderthals?
Can’t wait to hear if any DNA fragments are extracted. Looking at you Max Planck and Harvard!
They did not bury their dead, they incarcerated their society's misfits and criminals into the chamber. A death sentence.
Still, it sounds like complex behaviour to me.
Shi jin ping
H.naledi recent disco.cranial capacity. 610cc.🧬*Swanto pavo nobel winner ..rediscovary Neanderthal man
Nope. There is no discovery important enough to make me go up that hole.
Still going round the world and disturbing peoples ancestors 😢😢😢😢
😳 Homo naledi are no living person's ancestors.
ALL humans went extinct except one species, sapien. Living humans are all Homo sapien, the human remains in the cave are Homo naledi.
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Naledi is slightly older than sapien.
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Yeah I know, If you look at my first comment you can see I'm not saying naledi was an ancestor of sapien, the leading genus Homo candidate for that is erectus and before that Australopithecus afarensis.
But naledi is thought to of existed somewhat before Homo sapiens evolved into that arbitrary species marker if Homo sapien. Homo neanderthalensis was some interbreeding but sapien didn't descend from neadrath, they might of both descended from erectus though.
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It's an interesting question, they were both on the same continent, naledi and sapien might of at least had interactions. Yeah, neanderthalensis and sapien were both close enough to the nodal point of speciation to breed fertile offspring, obviously. Ernst Meyrs Biological Species Model is a rough guideline.
Nsikak try to grieve about something important. Life's short.
You can tell they're gay by their bones?
You can tell you are gay by your picture!
What pronouns did they use!?!?! 😂
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Ooga/Booga
Lol
har d har har, you so clever. does momma know you're using her ipad?
@@StumpyFroggy🤣🤣😭🤣😭🤣🤣🤣🤣
That's it. You show a few scratches?
Think about recent human ritual of scratching hex marks on door frames and fireplaces to ward off evil spirits. Or mark passages and trails.
Scratches could have been from anything. And I havnt seen any with just scratch marks.
Those were not only absolutely intentionally scratches and intentional DESIGNS, they were also don't above sediment left under that which also had simmilar designs. Meaning they came back and used the same or simmilar designs in the extract same entry way much much later. This indicates it is actually something simmilar to a very long used "cemetery". I don't think we have ever found cemeteries this old by far.
These would be the first humans to do so, about 100,000 years before sapiens show evidence of having done so.
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This does not disprove human exceptionalism. We are still exceptional in this world. It may not be easy to pinpoint why natural selection favored us over all species, and even species today. We still are the only species to have scientific and philosophical and poetic growth. That says something. Burial rituals and engravements do not negate human exceptionalism. It’s especially exceptional I’m watching this on UA-cam made only by humans.
It disproves the maximalist view of human exceptionalism that has been so prevalent in science. Many discoveries about other species in the last few decades have begun to change views on the origins of human exceptionalism.
Judging a fish by it's ability to climb a tree, aren't we? Yes, humans are good at creating tools. But judging you by the ability to orient yourself just by the magnetic field or using echolocation to communicate, you are useless. Any animal is exceptional just thanks to the fact that it found a way to survive to this day despite being 'dumb'. While humans, in all their smartness, are killing the planet and each other. They might not be around soon, a few nuclear bombs would suffice and another 'extraordinarily exceptional' animal will rise.
All humans in the earths past are exceptional, maybe it’s not for you to understand
@@user-qh2cw6hg6f that doesn’t disprove exceptionalism; it proves how capable we are. We are equally as capable of great things as we are of our destruction. We are exceptional in our capability of self-destruction. I find it fascinating here we are even discussing philosophy on an exceptionally made internet, and yet blind to our own exceptionalism. Heck, if we’re not prone to believing in our own exceptionalism, then we are prone to believing in our failures, rather than the drive to become greater than our previous generation. If you don’t hold a high view of our species, then you contribute to the species downfall. It is when we “accept our imperfections” as the “best we can do” that makes us failures. If I sit down in a camp and after a few times give up on making a fire thinking “I’m such a failure, I’ll never amount to make a good camp fire!” Then you never will. If on the other hand your persevere, you can make a fire.
The lack of faith in human exceptionalism is disturbing especially when we highlight our failures and not see our successes. Of course, we have failures and of course we are capable of great self-destruction, but if that’s all you believe about humanity that you will self-destruct. It’s the self-fulfilling prophecy that’s not really a prophecy, but a movement of the will of the masses. Otherwise what drives our inspiration to greater scientific knowledge will lead to intellectual laziness of more people.
No, we are exceptional. If we weren’t, then screw the sciences, screw the math. Let me just hustle and survive like the rest of the animals. People need to stop with the nonsense of this question. The more you believe something about yourself, the more you fulfill it.
I believe the Neanderthals (more recent) also had burial rituals.
Little people hobbits
That Naledi tribe members developed enough to not want to see a passed member torn up by predators outside the cave and rather took bodies deep inside nearly closed off caverns to avoid the wreak of death smell is not necessarily a ritualistic behavior. Also easily knowing that covering a body as well as waste with some soil reduces smell does not equate to a formal burial. Bergers hired cavers located the site and a bunch of researchers he located went down first. He lost a few pounds and eventually went down himself, but now its all about him. A bit narcissistic with all his fame now. He used to be a bit more humble.
Maybe they just climbed way back in this cave, and couldn't get out...and just died.
Berger is completely unrealistic and dramatic in his excavation, coupled with jumping to premature conclusions. It’s unprofessional. And unfair to history and to everyone in this line of expertise. And quite frankly i find it selfish risking this cave and potential history, the damage he caused by squeezing his big boned ass down the shut. If in fact this is a new discovery of like human- 300,000 yr old bones… he rushed this and it’s a shame it wasn’t done correctly
Wasn’t he doing this for 8 years before he went down? I’m not really sure, but isn’t that taking time?
Youre correct, this is ridiculous
@@user-qh2cw6hg6f i most definitely would sir! I’m tiny in size! no one should of his size. Period. And i stand by my statement
@@86sineadwIt doesn’t matter. He shouldn’t have gone. People that really love history, protect it. they choose preserving history, over their selfish wants
Big boned ass? 😂 Ma’am you’ve crossed the line
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i'm telling mom you're up past bedtime and using her ipad
Trailerpark dwellers like yourself are loved as well. I’m glad you love everyone
Did you find any LGBTQI+ among the remains?. Am so tired of the word "who you are".
Jos, Kampala UGANDA
Wow. Proud of a bigoted nation.
Dunning-Kruger central.
some wild animals engage in homosexuality, i would be very surprised if our ancestors did not sometimes also engage in homosexuality. shoot, history of trans people is at least a couple thousand years old, i would be surprised if it wasn't always a thing.
Just another animal on God's earth
Humans are also animals
what's a god? how do you know she exists?
@@zhou_seimodern miracles
@@CPATuttle i don't believe in miracles. i need some really good evidence.
@@zhou_sei the tilma in Our Lady of Guadalupe, Our Lady of Zeitoun images and eye witnesses, Shroud of Turin, Padre Pio’s stigmata and WWII American bombers bilocation. There’s no way they are false