To be fair, gamers legitimately asked for this. The devs released it to early access early because gamers wanted to get their hands on it even though they said a lot still needed to be done. We got what we wanted (and honestly, this is the state EA games are supposed to launch in anyway. Its early access for a reason, you are funding development)
@@miklyways they launched it because people said they wanted it regardless of its state. Now, maybe not everyone who bought this knew that it was in such a state, so they should have simply made it only available on their own website with a disclaimer.
@@miklyways Its not really debatable. EA games arent meant to just be games that are complete minus small content patches. Greenlight/EA was made for games that had a good concept base and plan so they could get funding and get early feedback on what players wanted going forward before it became too prohibitive to change systems from the ground up. If youre going into EA expecting to play the game the second it launches into EA and have everything work right, or even be worth the price tag up front, youre really not treating EA games properly. You are funding development, not buying a game.
I think that the water system has merit but the execution is poor. It feels like water is supposed to be the survival mechanic that puts pressure on the player to stay alive. But in execution water is so easy to find that the water system is a trivial nothingburger to the players who are playing the game, and it's an insulting kick in the nuts to anyone who isn't playing. IMO this needs to be reversed. The water system shouldn't do anything while players are offline, and the water drain rate should be more pressuring while players are online. Perhaps the rate that water is consumed should be variable and increase as the size of the player's base increases.
I've not gotten this yet only because of the water mechanic. Regardless of how little time it potentially takes to set yourself up for a week I think the very concept of it is ridiculous. Something similar happened with Mass Effect 3. If you played the multiplayer and got your galactic readiness level up, it would start diminishing every day you DIDN'T play the multiplayer. You can take a guess at people's sentiment on that. I've played too many games I was super into that ended up having what I like to call "homework" mechanics. Checklists and chores that are basically necessary for your progression in the game; Halo Infinite's first year multiplayer challenges, Destiny 2's bounties and seasonal content in general, Helldivers 1 and 2 sample grind (tho admittedly HD is much less of a problem I just dislike how long it takes). I wouldn't be as opposed to it if the game was set up like a pseudo-mmo where your base is populated by a community of players, like Monster Hunter's guild hall or something like Rust or Ark, and the water was being kept up by other people so you wouldn't need to worry about not playing for a week. As long as your clan is alive you don't need to worry. The hardcore survival aspects of the game are enough, why attach this bullshit to it?
yknow what? if you could make Scav Gangs? and you all pool in supplies and water? that'd be really cool and be a nice middle ground for the system. I dont think it's THAT BAD personally, yes it's a homework mechanic. BUT the base limit being 55? up to 71 days? I can take any 2 months of the year off and still have time to farm up water again. and that's not saying water is hard to get. quests reward it in droves and if you NEED it, take Mech Trench from the elevator and as soon as you see the stairs on the leftwall, take them, that room is FLOODED with water barrel spawns.
@@meganobgutzkraka2398 Fair enough, its just after seeing a bunch of my favorite games switch to fomo battle pass models I'm vehemently opposed to anything that imposes a real life time limit OUTSIDE the game. Is the mechanic actually that punishing? From what you and Reginald said it doesn't seem like it, but I don't condone this regardless. Like imagine if you wanted to take a break from your hardcore minecraft world or some other survival game but you had to log in every so often to eat so your character doesn't die while you're not in the game lmao, its insane. Fun Dog seems like a really cool developer and I want to support them but a game's demands on me should end as soon as I close it.
The game has.. animation issues that definitely need seeing to. I get it's early access, and I get that things can change but.. those player animations. they are probably just premade assets, and that's fine and all but- man do they not fit the game at all. noooot at all. They look like animations out of a generic knockoff unreal engine multiplayer shooter that has 11 concurrent players at peak hours. They're stiff, they're janky looking, they make your character feel like a robot wearing stalker cosplay. The crouch walking is too smooth and too stiff, the regular walking is too rigid. Especially when in situations where you are trying to hide, or in situations where you are in combat taking fire. If they don't fix those animations I just straight up wont buy the game. It looks neat and has a really cool concept but those animations would pull me out of any level of immersion I'd have in game every time.
Please everyone, keep the feedback coming. But please, understand the scope and aim of this project as well as the philosophy of the developers. This video is the perfect example of the kind of feedback they need.
I really dig the look and atmosphere of this game. I loveee these dark, gritty, hopeless atmospheres. Looks like I'll keep this one on the wishlist until they get it on track.
random thing I noticed while watching - it is just me or does the vault feel like, weirdly fast? I would expect some dude with a giant backpack like that to take some more time getting up something, especially with the chest-high vaults
Its weird but I kinda like it because I hate goopy "realistic" movement. I prefer movement that lets me move at the way my brain is trying to, not at the constrained pace of reality.
Thank God you can realize that. You are part of the 1% that isn't treating this like an AAA studio. I've been following the development for a few months and I'm honestly impressed as how far it has come. I'm also impressed as to how stupid the industry is acting over this. The game came out at least a whole month early and already has patches out B E C A U S E of E A. This is what we get when we ask for the game early.... it's not done yet because we got early access. I have more faith in a company that is using funds of players who have followed development, than a corpo cash cow that will rip you off and add a pay wall around every corner. TLDR: Thanks for not being a baby about the game.
@@supercrazypersonbo212 This game is literally the only one in a long time that I actually enjoy and feel at home in (because it literally looks like this game in my head) and you know how the giant broken block of flats is on the world map? I hope this becomes another playable location in the future.
I love this game! It scratches every itch that I have with games. It has a great art style, interesting enemies, amazing music, and a nice grim dark atmosphere. The only problem I currently have with the game is the performance. I have to put every setting six feet under and then some just to squeeze out 20 fps. Fortunately, performance is better outside of the hub, and I know optimization will come with time. My overall rating is 8.5/10, but 95% of my problems will be fixed with time or are on my end.
Good points and hope they can be implemented. I think in a years time it will be so much better. Just sucks having to wait specially the way the worlds going, we might be real scavs soon x__X
I want in the future to have the water system to be fully implement offline, so no further internet connection to even play it and make the water only drop during play time. To balance this out, reduce the amount of water you get from looting and increase the requirements of water for upgrades since you won't be losing much water from having 8 hours of sleep + another 5-8 hours of working.
Enemies should have clearer ways of telling when you are not the priority at close ranges. A voice line or icon above their head when they spot you idk.
I saw this coming i believe if i remember correctly the devs had the ability to nail the feel of the setting...BUT had issue with how to gameify it and make it feel like your just a lil guy in a big scary war :] And so they have asked for feedback hopefully it helps and they can nail the gameplay and advance forward because their art department nails it if they actually said this i am unsure just remember seeing many videos mention THIS in particular ... hopefully it becomes the game it needs to be :3
to be fair as others have said, WE ASKED FOR THIS! THEY WARNED US AND SAID "can you wait till October?". WE DIDNT WANNA SO THEY THREW US AT IT XD i do appreciate that te community is self aware. personally, i just want the enemy spawns to be fixed (i HATE when they spawn right next to you), and the amount of times i've had to shoot from cover, only to catch my bullets on the empty space slightly above the cover is annoying. OH and the tinniest pebble stopping my momentum. BUT AGAIN, this is EARLY access. i expected some jank. despite the jank i and my buds absolute love this game.
I am willing to tolerate some terrain issues considering what kind of game this is. Terrain issues happen in every game and this game has some really detailed terrain. Its why I didn't spend time on it here. I expect some of that will get cleaned up but it is really low priority compared to the AI issues.
The water mechanic is not that bad. I only have 4hs and i got 30 days for the Water supply. Once you got a bigger Rig (backpack) everything is less complicated in terms of "what do i need to loot". The quest give you 1 or 2 days of Water and some quest are really easy, like extract 3 drone peaces or 2 explosives. It only affects you until you learn that you can't shoot everything on sight.
0:53 Who is that guy? He sounds very funny! As for people excusing the game's state and saying that "gamers asked for this," the Devs still have control over what they do with the product, and knowing what the state of the game was should have just made it a public beta. Instead people have to pay for an unfinished buggy product which doesn't feel good, no matter the potential of the game. We'll see where it is in 6 months to a year from now.
For the 20h+ something i have played, the two massive complains i could have are 1 : Hunter Killers, they lack nuances, gather special loots? make a fast low hp hunting squads actively hunt me, kill two squads sends the big boys, kill a exo, bring a bigger one. Get rids of Xray, but add a scanning system, if you move too much while the scan is here you get spotted. 2 : It need to set random map states at starts, and not spawn team when you get near an area. big nono rando spawn
The water decay system needs to go. Period. It's a near-textbook instance of the "sunk cost" psychological manipulation tactic which will make players feel required to play the game even when they don't feel like it. This will lead to burnout in the long run.
@@Reginald-sc9tk i mean in general for all who wants to play it. I have a rtx 4090, 7800x3d, etc... But Not all gamers want to spend so much money. And the devs already talked about it in one of their vids on yt. I hope they can make it a smoother experience for all of us .
im 50/50 on the water system, think its added to be a natural wipe system you see in other extraction shooters like tarkov, but instead of set dates its based on inactivity which i think is fine, dont remember if it wipes your quests though, if it does then i think that needs too change, and maybe the amount of days is increased to make it more generous
Nothing about the setting should be generous. The way the quests work, it would be a lot harder to start back up from a hiatus if the quests didn't reset as they give you tons of water to start.
@@Reginald-sc9tk I get that, dev's gotta find that perfect balance between natural wipes and general inactivity like if they wanna keep the water loss = restart, what if we get money from the stashed items that have been scrapped? like if I'm away and got shit loads in my stash, if my waters gone, I get 25 or 50% of the value of the items I've lost? no idea though, game dev is complicated to say the least lmao, so might be better to outright get rid of the system or maybe find a perfect balance inbetween
I personally don't care how easy it is to get water. They refer to AAA bs and goodness from back in the days, and then add in a system which twists your arms out "go play or else". That's the fact. Back in the days games had no systems like this. You can still load and play all your old saves in you want and if you have desired games in a running state. Nothing happened to them in 20+ years unless its compatibility issues games themselves have annything to do with. It's not an MMO, where you lose stuff by actions of other players if you're offline. The company does not need to maintain servers to store your progress data, or at least so they claim. So - complete progress wipe is uncalled for. Added ease of gathering water just ruins immersiveness and atmosphere of "nothing is more important", this system should be completely reworked to be tied to in-game actions only. There was a lot of good ideas in the community how to implement this. Edit: clarification
Bro you're in the after affects of a global apocalyptic war. You're gonna need to stock up on water... we're on a cow farm, there's gonna be cows outside.
i think my biggest problem with the game (besides hunter killers, their spawns and what triggers them) is that the AI battles look really stupid, the AI doesn't do anything like go into the bunkers and take cover, it just walks towards a target and shoots. the only fights in the game i watched that looked amazing where all in the scorched map in the center place where all the faction infantry meet because their pathing makes them walk through cover so it looks like they are actively fighting. and like you said it seems the AI barely has any sense of whether or not a fight is winnable and will throw themselves at odds that make no sense. not to mention the AI patrols themselves, they have two formations either they walk in a V formation or a line and it just looks to unnatural, rarely do they walk grouped up
To me it is insanity how no one is talking about that horrid force enabled reverse mouse smoothing & acceleration. This makes any shooter of any kind completely unplayable.
Had never actually heard of this game. Conceptually it looks fantastic. Hope they manage to polish it and realize the potential. The "can't look around while sprinting" thing gave me flashbacks to default Dark Souls controls, which didn't actually let you use the joystick to look around while you were sprinting unless you did some weird finger contortions or changed the controller layout using 3rd party software. It's such a strange thing that occasionally pops up. My head is not attached to my legs!
I love this game, even in the state it's in, which I don't think is a broken as people say, it's freakin awesome. People seem to have forgotten what early access means, mostly because of AAA studios abusing it.
I really hope this game succeeds, a really big fan of stealth diving in HD2, so a fully realised PvE stealth game would be fun! That video you talked about was soo good too lol, what convinced me to eventually buy this game (once it's no longer early access)
Appreciate the calm and collected video with good feedback. This is a title I've been very hyped for though I know my computer can't run it. Right now a lot of the content surrounding it is either really hyped for it, or bashing it hard. Finding something more neutral feels refreshing. If you decide to make more content on this down the line I would like to hear more of your thoughts on it as it develops.
Y'know, I feel the same way you do about this game, it's really good, but it needs time to cook, and considering that it's in early access ilthat is pretty understandable, one thing that you said about enemies being deadlier to one another was really true, I once saw Toothy simply walk around a squad of Euruskan troops and not even touch them but the moment I poked my head out it decided to light me up with its 15mm out of nowhere
Man, stuff like your example is exactly what draws me out of the game. I hope they fix it! Because I think with some time to cook this game will be great.
DAMN I was not aware of the water system , is so fucking stupid that idea, it seems a way to force people of playing the game , micro transactions are coming, right ?
It's not good: It's AWESOME! Are there tons of flaws and areas for improvement? Of course. I binged for 7h yesterday and didn't even realize it had been that long. Focus on the flaws, you'll have a bad time, so just enjoy instead.
To be clear: What he says in the video is correct. I agree AI systems are one of the areas that need the most work and will improve the game most. Spawning, physics, and terrain bugs are up there as well. Generally though, the game is still a ton of fun as is.
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I had the exact experience and the exact thoughts. Thanks for the video.
I'm having fun with the game but I agree with all your points. For me, enemy animations is my biggest gripe. The walk/run speed of enemies don't match what the animations would suggest and they just feel stiff. Watching a drone float through the air only to suddenly freeze in place as it shoots something breaks my immersion. The weird part is that the huge mechs look and MOVE beautifully with no evidence of just sliding across the map. They're the showpieces so I understand why they got special treatment but it's kinda goofy. Huge part of the game is watching AI duke it out and yet this feels hardly fleshed out. It really reminds me of watching NPC battles on GMod, they're too dumb. It's Early Access and I fully expect and am rooting for them to improve this area.
@@Reginald-sc9tk i think you where, i just think most ppl have been spoiled over the last years what early acces actually meant to be , rather than it has been used in reasent years, and now they are way more harsh on the game than needed ( or whiny) and kinda giving it a worse look than it has on its own^^
run it on a 1660 TI and get stable 40 frames. don't expect high frames for this game, its performance right now really sucks. devs have said October they are adding something to fix that
im copping this on payday, its sad seeing all the smooth brains blast it with negative reviews because they dont understand the concept of early alpha- very early access
THANK YOU. I have followed this game since early development and it pains me to see how brain rotted the industry is from playing CoD every year for the last 15 years. FUN DOG IS NOT AAA STUDIO. THE GAME IS NOT DONE. WE ASKED FOR AN EARLY BUILD AND WE GOT AND EARLY BUILD. This is exactly what we asked for, and we spit right in devs faces...
@Reginald-sc9tk it really hurts the industry as a whole when we treat games that way. Early access became an easy way to drag games up from dev hell. It should serve as a way for devs to get initial reactions and allow to make alterations and fixes. But N O game came out months earlier than it was supposed to in a late alpha/early beta and everyone is confused as to why it isn't a $80 AAA game with $1234567890 in micro transactions
@@supercrazypersonbo212 It does hurt the industry, but its began with the industry. They kept shipping trash titles as "EA" to get money out of their garbage products until we all got wise. Trust runs short. People treat EA as launches because they are launches. Its too dangerous not to these days.
I am a deepwoken player, It's a permadeath game, I have 3 lives before my charachter dies, and in those 3 lives there isn't 1 enemy that can 1 shot me and there is I can just get my lives back, this game reminds me of deep but you have 1 life and there are a ton of enemies that are faster than you and that can 1 shot you from 10 meters frlm close range, IDK whats the fun in this, bought the game thinking I can only die in raids, not only that there is a system that ties you to the game, I think imma end up refunding
I mean you're not really supposed to fight dude. The entire point is you avoid combat and scavenge off of the dead because you are the equivalent of an insect caught in the middle of a battle between giants. They'll kill you if you get in their way, so don't. Just be content in your corner, gathering what little you can from the remains of a battle and scamper on out of there to make some cash. Eventually you might be able to afford a gun that gives you a semblance of a chance against the weakest of enemies, at which point you still want to avoid combat because attention gets you killed. This isn't a looter shooter, this isn't a permadeath (unless you run out of water). This is a stealth looter with combat as a last resort.
@@tyler89557 Deepwoken is much more skill based than forever winter because there isn't a random npc unit that is faster than you and will randomly agro on you if you are in their presence, if you want to get away you have to run and they will insta agro, and if you dont run and crouch you will be way slower and will catch up to you, even if you stay at a distance, drones can get your location quiet easily and/or kill you and giving your location to nearby units to finish you off,
@@Riley_MDS I mean, no duh the devs need to cook longer. It's early access for one, and the community begged them to release it early regardless of the state. And we got what we wanted so... meh.
I actually want the water mechanic to stay in the game as it is a great filter for undesirables, which were given the option to understand that this is a WIP game. With that being said, it needs performance, accessibility and connection fixes first and foremost.
Half of the stuff said in this video is most likely already in the pipeline everyone needs to understand this is so fucking early it was actually ment to drop late 2025 but we asked for it so hard they dropped it. The real purpose of this early access is to show off the duel ai directors system because is so amazingly impressive but everyone’s been overlooking it because they expected a completely different game than what they were getting. The devs clearly stated this is a game for the rats not the chads. If you don’t get a lot of enjoyment from sneaking through enemy lines grabbing what you need and escaping whilst surviving by the skin of your teeth this isn’t the game for you.
Ok but their roadmap isn't public and they asked for feedback. If their goal was to show off the duel AI directors system they failed. Its in shambles. I hope they fix it.
I'm not a fan of much of this game... don't like that you're using premade characters, I don't like the water system, the gunplay, and in fact, I don't like the fact that you'll never seem to be encourage to hunt the hunters and get stronger.
I feel like the enemies prioritize you over the others. I think there should be a warning system where they give you moment to leave. But after 3 strikes they will target you. But in the heat of battle, they should honestly ignore you, because you're not necessarily a threat.
Dude is literally complaining about early access problems like they're not to be expected, my dude, they know those issues, don't play early access games if you can't deal with shit like that 🤦♀️
@@Reginald-sc9tkyea my point is that they probably know all these issues already, feedback, and why they made it very early access to say the least was to help with bugs and for people to propose new machanics, but fair enough your critics are fine, I just got so tired of people criticizing such a cool ass game by a small studio going agaisnt the grain, I think I just jumped the gun here. Mb dude, I'll give you a subscribe as an apology.
@@ripleybaier I saw a lot of heavy handed negative reviews myself so I get it. Personally I see that as unwarranted because it is, as you say, just EA. I have a lot of positive feelings about the game I just think its not ready yet for me to truly enjoy and I wanted to detail precisely why.
I really agree with the agro part because I’m one of my games a hind agrod me and I ran into an exo and squad which I felt should have ended in the. Fighting each other but because of whatever reason I got blasted by the exo and ended up dead.
Was excited to play but the optimization is appalling. There is no polish to the movement at all. The AI is bare bones. They became the studios they swore to be different from. Nice marketing and artistry, but they forgot to hire programmers. Sadly refunded, I don’t trust them now.
Another time where gamers think they are the experts. I don't think people quite understand that it isn't "implementing" something by just "adding it" and what goes into that. While reviews on games are fine, I think saying "here's how to make it better" is quite the insult to the people that actually put in the work. Like telling mcdonalds how to make the burgers better, but like you don't understand the full vision of what you're doing. You're also doing this to an early access build. I could go over why these points are one by one but I recommend you instead, download unreal and go ahead and try.
"Dont criticize the game because game development is hard!" Yeah this is a stupid take. We bought the game and have the right to voice what needs to be improved. Early Access isn't some magical title that shields games from criticism. It's not like the video was shitting on the game, just suggested what needs to be improved. Your McDonalds analogy makes no sense either.
Finally a video giving constructive criticism instead of just aggressively attacking the game
I'm glad you enjoyed my approach. I prefer to try and help rather than snipe.
@@Reginald-sc9tk do you think youll upload any more forever winter content in the future?
To be fair, gamers legitimately asked for this. The devs released it to early access early because gamers wanted to get their hands on it even though they said a lot still needed to be done. We got what we wanted (and honestly, this is the state EA games are supposed to launch in anyway. Its early access for a reason, you are funding development)
I agree with you. I knew what i signed up for. But publishing something carried negative reputation risks in modern market realities.
"This is the state EA games are supposed to launch anyway" is very debateable.
Gamer might have asked for it, but the devs are ones who released the game in this state.
@@miklyways they launched it because people said they wanted it regardless of its state.
Now, maybe not everyone who bought this knew that it was in such a state, so they should have simply made it only available on their own website with a disclaimer.
@@miklyways Its not really debatable. EA games arent meant to just be games that are complete minus small content patches. Greenlight/EA was made for games that had a good concept base and plan so they could get funding and get early feedback on what players wanted going forward before it became too prohibitive to change systems from the ground up.
If youre going into EA expecting to play the game the second it launches into EA and have everything work right, or even be worth the price tag up front, youre really not treating EA games properly. You are funding development, not buying a game.
Man's really putting that degree in market analysis to good work
God willing it finds me some value
This is so much better than the other videos I’ve seen of just pure complaining that a game in closed beta doesn’t run perfectly.
Thanks so much, I appreciate the feedback since it's a new format
I think that the water system has merit but the execution is poor. It feels like water is supposed to be the survival mechanic that puts pressure on the player to stay alive. But in execution water is so easy to find that the water system is a trivial nothingburger to the players who are playing the game, and it's an insulting kick in the nuts to anyone who isn't playing. IMO this needs to be reversed. The water system shouldn't do anything while players are offline, and the water drain rate should be more pressuring while players are online. Perhaps the rate that water is consumed should be variable and increase as the size of the player's base increases.
Thats exactly my point and you said it better than I did.
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I feel like it's a better way to provide critique.
I've not gotten this yet only because of the water mechanic. Regardless of how little time it potentially takes to set yourself up for a week I think the very concept of it is ridiculous. Something similar happened with Mass Effect 3. If you played the multiplayer and got your galactic readiness level up, it would start diminishing every day you DIDN'T play the multiplayer. You can take a guess at people's sentiment on that. I've played too many games I was super into that ended up having what I like to call "homework" mechanics. Checklists and chores that are basically necessary for your progression in the game; Halo Infinite's first year multiplayer challenges, Destiny 2's bounties and seasonal content in general, Helldivers 1 and 2 sample grind (tho admittedly HD is much less of a problem I just dislike how long it takes). I wouldn't be as opposed to it if the game was set up like a pseudo-mmo where your base is populated by a community of players, like Monster Hunter's guild hall or something like Rust or Ark, and the water was being kept up by other people so you wouldn't need to worry about not playing for a week. As long as your clan is alive you don't need to worry. The hardcore survival aspects of the game are enough, why attach this bullshit to it?
yknow what? if you could make Scav Gangs? and you all pool in supplies and water? that'd be really cool and be a nice middle ground for the system.
I dont think it's THAT BAD personally, yes it's a homework mechanic. BUT the base limit being 55? up to 71 days? I can take any 2 months of the year off and still have time to farm up water again. and that's not saying water is hard to get. quests reward it in droves and if you NEED it, take Mech Trench from the elevator and as soon as you see the stairs on the leftwall, take them, that room is FLOODED with water barrel spawns.
@@meganobgutzkraka2398 Fair enough, its just after seeing a bunch of my favorite games switch to fomo battle pass models I'm vehemently opposed to anything that imposes a real life time limit OUTSIDE the game. Is the mechanic actually that punishing? From what you and Reginald said it doesn't seem like it, but I don't condone this regardless. Like imagine if you wanted to take a break from your hardcore minecraft world or some other survival game but you had to log in every so often to eat so your character doesn't die while you're not in the game lmao, its insane. Fun Dog seems like a really cool developer and I want to support them but a game's demands on me should end as soon as I close it.
The game has.. animation issues that definitely need seeing to. I get it's early access, and I get that things can change but.. those player animations. they are probably just premade assets, and that's fine and all but- man do they not fit the game at all. noooot at all. They look like animations out of a generic knockoff unreal engine multiplayer shooter that has 11 concurrent players at peak hours. They're stiff, they're janky looking, they make your character feel like a robot wearing stalker cosplay. The crouch walking is too smooth and too stiff, the regular walking is too rigid. Especially when in situations where you are trying to hide, or in situations where you are in combat taking fire.
If they don't fix those animations I just straight up wont buy the game. It looks neat and has a really cool concept but those animations would pull me out of any level of immersion I'd have in game every time.
Please everyone, keep the feedback coming. But please, understand the scope and aim of this project as well as the philosophy of the developers. This video is the perfect example of the kind of feedback they need.
thanks very much!
I really dig the look and atmosphere of this game. I loveee these dark, gritty, hopeless atmospheres. Looks like I'll keep this one on the wishlist until they get it on track.
Yeah I think that is wise. I may keep it just for the vignettes, I probably could return it though.
It’s literally on track, they released it into EA because fans on the discord asked for it enmass xx
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just got the AA 12 and grenade launcher and now this is not an anti shooter anymore
now that sounds fun!
random thing I noticed while watching - it is just me or does the vault feel like, weirdly fast? I would expect some dude with a giant backpack like that to take some more time getting up something, especially with the chest-high vaults
Yea definetly.
Its weird but I kinda like it because I hate goopy "realistic" movement. I prefer movement that lets me move at the way my brain is trying to, not at the constrained pace of reality.
To me the EA game is in better condition than a bunch of modern "AAA" games and 100% better than "AAAA" games...
Thank God you can realize that. You are part of the 1% that isn't treating this like an AAA studio. I've been following the development for a few months and I'm honestly impressed as how far it has come. I'm also impressed as to how stupid the industry is acting over this. The game came out at least a whole month early and already has patches out B E C A U S E of E A. This is what we get when we ask for the game early.... it's not done yet because we got early access. I have more faith in a company that is using funds of players who have followed development, than a corpo cash cow that will rip you off and add a pay wall around every corner. TLDR: Thanks for not being a baby about the game.
@@supercrazypersonbo212 This game is literally the only one in a long time that I actually enjoy and feel at home in (because it literally looks like this game in my head) and you know how the giant broken block of flats is on the world map? I hope this becomes another playable location in the future.
I love this game! It scratches every itch that I have with games. It has a great art style, interesting enemies, amazing music, and a nice grim dark atmosphere. The only problem I currently have with the game is the performance. I have to put every setting six feet under and then some just to squeeze out 20 fps. Fortunately, performance is better outside of the hub, and I know optimization will come with time. My overall rating is 8.5/10, but 95% of my problems will be fixed with time or are on my end.
Good points and hope they can be implemented. I think in a years time it will be so much better. Just sucks having to wait specially the way the worlds going, we might be real scavs soon x__X
Too jank. Looks nice but under the hood is a mess
I want in the future to have the water system to be fully implement offline, so no further internet connection to even play it and make the water only drop during play time.
To balance this out, reduce the amount of water you get from looting and increase the requirements of water for upgrades since you won't be losing much water from having 8 hours of sleep + another 5-8 hours of working.
Enemies should have clearer ways of telling when you are not the priority at close ranges. A voice line or icon above their head when they spot you idk.
Great idea
The blind enemies from my understanding is less "they cant see you" and more they have bigger priorities honestly
I think maybe so but its not communicated well and they often just run up to you and then decide to do other things
I saw this coming i believe if i remember correctly the devs had the ability to nail the feel of the setting...BUT had issue with how to gameify it and make it feel like your just a lil guy in a big scary war :]
And so they have asked for feedback hopefully it helps and they can nail the gameplay and advance forward because their art department nails it if they actually said this i am unsure just remember seeing many videos mention THIS in particular ... hopefully it becomes the game it needs to be :3
I hope for their success
from my side 1 problem is SQUAD - joining to person is AFN is so bad...
100% agree with all you've said. I hope the devs see this video.
to be fair as others have said, WE ASKED FOR THIS! THEY WARNED US AND SAID "can you wait till October?". WE DIDNT WANNA SO THEY THREW US AT IT XD
i do appreciate that te community is self aware. personally, i just want the enemy spawns to be fixed (i HATE when they spawn right next to you), and the amount of times i've had to shoot from cover, only to catch my bullets on the empty space slightly above the cover is annoying.
OH and the tinniest pebble stopping my momentum. BUT AGAIN, this is EARLY access. i expected some jank. despite the jank i and my buds absolute love this game.
For me a big Thing to
I am willing to tolerate some terrain issues considering what kind of game this is. Terrain issues happen in every game and this game has some really detailed terrain. Its why I didn't spend time on it here. I expect some of that will get cleaned up but it is really low priority compared to the AI issues.
The water mechanic is not that bad. I only have 4hs and i got 30 days for the Water supply. Once you got a bigger Rig (backpack) everything is less complicated in terms of "what do i need to loot".
The quest give you 1 or 2 days of Water and some quest are really easy, like extract 3 drone peaces or 2 explosives.
It only affects you until you learn that you can't shoot everything on sight.
0:53 Who is that guy? He sounds very funny!
As for people excusing the game's state and saying that "gamers asked for this," the Devs still have control over what they do with the product, and knowing what the state of the game was should have just made it a public beta. Instead people have to pay for an unfinished buggy product which doesn't feel good, no matter the potential of the game.
We'll see where it is in 6 months to a year from now.
For the 20h+ something i have played, the two massive complains i could have are
1 : Hunter Killers, they lack nuances, gather special loots? make a fast low hp hunting squads actively hunt me, kill two squads sends the big boys, kill a exo, bring a bigger one. Get rids of Xray, but add a scanning system, if you move too much while the scan is here you get spotted.
2 : It need to set random map states at starts, and not spawn team when you get near an area. big nono rando spawn
The water decay system needs to go. Period. It's a near-textbook instance of the "sunk cost" psychological manipulation tactic which will make players feel required to play the game even when they don't feel like it. This will lead to burnout in the long run.
I just hope The Forever Winter comes to consoles one day. I sincerely want to dump all of my free time into this game.
Literally an early access game which is actually still in the middle stages of development
Yes, and it's being sold for $20~. I don't object to EA, hence my suggestions. But people also deserve to know what they're getting into.
@@Reginald-sc9tk definitely
Good points here, i'm totally agree with. For me, optimisation first, than the rest.
I didn't have optimization issues but I do have a super powerful rig so that might be why
@@Reginald-sc9tk i mean in general for all who wants to play it. I have a rtx 4090, 7800x3d, etc... But Not all gamers want to spend so much money. And the devs already talked about it in one of their vids on yt. I hope they can make it a smoother experience for all of us .
1:40 I remember that kind of stuttered animation happening on my PS4 pro when I was playing Dark Souls 3.
I just wish they would add a first person camera mode or toggle like in GTA5 for example. Third person is just not immersive.
It's good as it stands now, the zeroing of the weapons being on the barrel is kind of awkward when aiming
im 50/50 on the water system, think its added to be a natural wipe system you see in other extraction shooters like tarkov, but instead of set dates its based on inactivity which i think is fine, dont remember if it wipes your quests though, if it does then i think that needs too change, and maybe the amount of days is increased to make it more generous
Nothing about the setting should be generous. The way the quests work, it would be a lot harder to start back up from a hiatus if the quests didn't reset as they give you tons of water to start.
Doesn't matter, I'm not interested in being punished for taking a hiatus.
@@Reginald-sc9tk I get that, dev's gotta find that perfect balance between natural wipes and general inactivity
like if they wanna keep the water loss = restart, what if we get money from the stashed items that have been scrapped? like if I'm away and got shit loads in my stash, if my waters gone, I get 25 or 50% of the value of the items I've lost?
no idea though, game dev is complicated to say the least lmao, so might be better to outright get rid of the system or maybe find a perfect balance inbetween
This take is the most accurate to my experience so far!
Dommy mecha mommies
I personally don't care how easy it is to get water. They refer to AAA bs and goodness from back in the days, and then add in a system which twists your arms out "go play or else". That's the fact. Back in the days games had no systems like this. You can still load and play all your old saves in you want and if you have desired games in a running state. Nothing happened to them in 20+ years unless its compatibility issues games themselves have annything to do with.
It's not an MMO, where you lose stuff by actions of other players if you're offline. The company does not need to maintain servers to store your progress data, or at least so they claim. So - complete progress wipe is uncalled for. Added ease of gathering water just ruins immersiveness and atmosphere of "nothing is more important", this system should be completely reworked to be tied to in-game actions only. There was a lot of good ideas in the community how to implement this.
Edit: clarification
Bro you're in the after affects of a global apocalyptic war. You're gonna need to stock up on water... we're on a cow farm, there's gonna be cows outside.
i think my biggest problem with the game (besides hunter killers, their spawns and what triggers them) is that the AI battles look really stupid, the AI doesn't do anything like go into the bunkers and take cover, it just walks towards a target and shoots. the only fights in the game i watched that looked amazing where all in the scorched map in the center place where all the faction infantry meet because their pathing makes them walk through cover so it looks like they are actively fighting.
and like you said it seems the AI barely has any sense of whether or not a fight is winnable and will throw themselves at odds that make no sense.
not to mention the AI patrols themselves, they have two formations either they walk in a V formation or a line and it just looks to unnatural, rarely do they walk grouped up
To me it is insanity how no one is talking about that horrid force enabled reverse mouse smoothing & acceleration. This makes any shooter of any kind completely unplayable.
Had never actually heard of this game. Conceptually it looks fantastic. Hope they manage to polish it and realize the potential.
The "can't look around while sprinting" thing gave me flashbacks to default Dark Souls controls, which didn't actually let you use the joystick to look around while you were sprinting unless you did some weird finger contortions or changed the controller layout using 3rd party software. It's such a strange thing that occasionally pops up. My head is not attached to my legs!
It has such beautiful vignettes sometimes they better make a good game!
I love this game, even in the state it's in, which I don't think is a broken as people say, it's freakin awesome. People seem to have forgotten what early access means, mostly because of AAA studios abusing it.
I agree. Its certainly playable for an EA launch. But the AI is the big selling point and it needs love.
I really hope this game succeeds, a really big fan of stealth diving in HD2, so a fully realised PvE stealth game would be fun! That video you talked about was soo good too lol, what convinced me to eventually buy this game (once it's no longer early access)
I hope it success too, there's obvious potential.
Appreciate the calm and collected video with good feedback. This is a title I've been very hyped for though I know my computer can't run it. Right now a lot of the content surrounding it is either really hyped for it, or bashing it hard. Finding something more neutral feels refreshing. If you decide to make more content on this down the line I would like to hear more of your thoughts on it as it develops.
Thanks very much, personally id love to have a game as cool as this in my library to make content about. It has the potential for it
Y'know, I feel the same way you do about this game, it's really good, but it needs time to cook, and considering that it's in early access ilthat is pretty understandable, one thing that you said about enemies being deadlier to one another was really true, I once saw Toothy simply walk around a squad of Euruskan troops and not even touch them but the moment I poked my head out it decided to light me up with its 15mm out of nowhere
Man, stuff like your example is exactly what draws me out of the game. I hope they fix it! Because I think with some time to cook this game will be great.
Ty for this honest review. I'm overhyped for this game and i'll wait for 2 or 3 major patch before going in.
Wise I think, I look forward to their patches.
DAMN I was not aware of the water system , is so fucking stupid that idea, it seems a way to force people of playing the game , micro transactions are coming, right ?
They are but I feel like the water system was more of a genuine attempt to create pressure on the player not a sales mecahnic
I pretty much agree with everything here but I think one concern I have that isn’t here is endgame, I feel a little concerned about it
I didn't get that far but I feel thats going to be a logical weakspot
A great consctructive review! I was thinking about the Early Access, but, now I see it's best to let them cook a little longer, thank you!
I think this game has a lot of potential! Thanks for your feedback on my review, it helps me know if I'm going in the right direction.
It's not good: It's AWESOME!
Are there tons of flaws and areas for improvement? Of course.
I binged for 7h yesterday and didn't even realize it had been that long.
Focus on the flaws, you'll have a bad time, so just enjoy instead.
To be clear: What he says in the video is correct. I agree AI systems are one of the areas that need the most work and will improve the game most. Spawning, physics, and terrain bugs are up there as well. Generally though, the game is still a ton of fun as is.
I had the exact experience and the exact thoughts. Thanks for the video.
Thanks for letting me know your agreement. Its handy.
it's not a bad game and mostly it's very buggy due to it in early access so don't expect this game to be polish and
True of course. But the AI battles are the selling point and they are the weakest part. Thats why I call it the highest priority issue for sure
So keep it wishlisted until it seems like it's in a better state, then purchase if you feel like you'll like the game.
Pretty much yea
Looks like your doing the devs work for them. Time to put this guy on a QA team. Pay him.
If they see it and make their game better thats more than enough payment. This game looks so cool. It demands better gameplay.
I'm having fun with the game but I agree with all your points. For me, enemy animations is my biggest gripe. The walk/run speed of enemies don't match what the animations would suggest and they just feel stiff. Watching a drone float through the air only to suddenly freeze in place as it shoots something breaks my immersion. The weird part is that the huge mechs look and MOVE beautifully with no evidence of just sliding across the map. They're the showpieces so I understand why they got special treatment but it's kinda goofy. Huge part of the game is watching AI duke it out and yet this feels hardly fleshed out. It really reminds me of watching NPC battles on GMod, they're too dumb. It's Early Access and I fully expect and am rooting for them to improve this area.
Agreed on all points
Probably one guy who REALLY likes mechs doing em
thank god one of the few videos i found with actual good pros and cons rather and 20 minutes of constant whining, nice video good points
Much appreciated. I tried to be as fair as possible and mostly make suggestions.
@@Reginald-sc9tk i think you where, i just think most ppl have been spoiled over the last years what early acces actually meant to be , rather than it has been used in reasent years, and now they are way more harsh on the game than needed ( or whiny) and kinda giving it a worse look than it has on its own^^
Its a 2v1 not a 1v1v1
So the intro is not how that works
Well organized. Touched on all the gripes i have, but i think the vaulting is terrible. Fun dog better be watching these review vids.
I suspect they are. Its gonna be tough for them because they pumped out early access in this hyper critical climate
has anyone tried using a 1660 super on this game
I run it on a 2060 super well enough on low settings. Idk if that helps any.
run it on a 1660 TI and get stable 40 frames.
don't expect high frames for this game, its performance right now really sucks.
devs have said October they are adding something to fix that
Ok bet
im copping this on payday, its sad seeing all the smooth brains blast it with negative reviews because they dont understand the concept of early alpha- very early access
THANK YOU. I have followed this game since early development and it pains me to see how brain rotted the industry is from playing CoD every year for the last 15 years. FUN DOG IS NOT AAA STUDIO.
THE GAME IS NOT DONE.
WE ASKED FOR AN EARLY BUILD AND WE GOT AND EARLY BUILD. This is exactly what we asked for, and we spit right in devs faces...
@@supercrazypersonbo212 tragically its how the market is right now. A game drops as EA and people say "its out"
@Reginald-sc9tk it really hurts the industry as a whole when we treat games that way. Early access became an easy way to drag games up from dev hell. It should serve as a way for devs to get initial reactions and allow to make alterations and fixes. But N O game came out months earlier than it was supposed to in a late alpha/early beta and everyone is confused as to why it isn't a $80 AAA game with $1234567890 in micro transactions
@@supercrazypersonbo212 It does hurt the industry, but its began with the industry. They kept shipping trash titles as "EA" to get money out of their garbage products until we all got wise. Trust runs short. People treat EA as launches because they are launches. Its too dangerous not to these days.
I am a deepwoken player, It's a permadeath game, I have 3 lives before my charachter dies, and in those 3 lives there isn't 1 enemy that can 1 shot me and there is I can just get my lives back, this game reminds me of deep but you have 1 life and there are a ton of enemies that are faster than you and that can 1 shot you from 10 meters frlm close range, IDK whats the fun in this, bought the game thinking I can only die in raids, not only that there is a system that ties you to the game, I think imma end up refunding
I mean you're not really supposed to fight dude. The entire point is you avoid combat and scavenge off of the dead because you are the equivalent of an insect caught in the middle of a battle between giants.
They'll kill you if you get in their way, so don't.
Just be content in your corner, gathering what little you can from the remains of a battle and scamper on out of there to make some cash. Eventually you might be able to afford a gun that gives you a semblance of a chance against the weakest of enemies, at which point you still want to avoid combat because attention gets you killed.
This isn't a looter shooter, this isn't a permadeath (unless you run out of water). This is a stealth looter with combat as a last resort.
It’s like decaying winters level of punishing
@@tyler89557 Deepwoken is much more skill based than forever winter because there isn't a random npc unit that is faster than you and will randomly agro on you if you are in their presence, if you want to get away you have to run and they will insta agro, and if you dont run and crouch you will be way slower and will catch up to you, even if you stay at a distance, drones can get your location quiet easily and/or kill you and giving your location to nearby units to finish you off,
Dynamic UI or a toggle would be nice too..
WE NEED THIS. The game is too pretty to force me to use a UI all the time
Mixed reviews on steam. Below 50% oof
Yeah. Game needs work still.
yup. Deserved.
Good game, but the dev NEEDS to cook even longer, will keep on cheering the dev as the game concept is fun to me.
@@Riley_MDS I mean, no duh the devs need to cook longer. It's early access for one, and the community begged them to release it early regardless of the state.
And we got what we wanted so... meh.
Eh just got to 65% right now
too bad it crashes immediately on Linux
I actually want the water mechanic to stay in the game as it is a great filter for undesirables, which were given the option to understand that this is a WIP game. With that being said, it needs performance, accessibility and connection fixes first and foremost.
I can’t play the game, every time it will tell me fatal error and crash down
Aww
Half of the stuff said in this video is most likely already in the pipeline everyone needs to understand this is so fucking early it was actually ment to drop late 2025 but we asked for it so hard they dropped it. The real purpose of this early access is to show off the duel ai directors system because is so amazingly impressive but everyone’s been overlooking it because they expected a completely different game than what they were getting. The devs clearly stated this is a game for the rats not the chads. If you don’t get a lot of enjoyment from sneaking through enemy lines grabbing what you need and escaping whilst surviving by the skin of your teeth this isn’t the game for you.
Ok but their roadmap isn't public and they asked for feedback. If their goal was to show off the duel AI directors system they failed. Its in shambles. I hope they fix it.
I thought eurasia euraska were allies
We were always at war with eastasia
I'm not a fan of much of this game... don't like that you're using premade characters, I don't like the water system, the gunplay, and in fact, I don't like the fact that you'll never seem to be encourage to hunt the hunters and get stronger.
Played it for a day and can already farm hunters solo. Just have to progress enough to unlock better weapons.
There are literally missions were your tasked to hunt the hunters...
I feel like the enemies prioritize you over the others. I think there should be a warning system where they give you moment to leave. But after 3 strikes they will target you. But in the heat of battle, they should honestly ignore you, because you're not necessarily a threat.
Dude is literally complaining about early access problems like they're not to be expected, my dude, they know those issues, don't play early access games if you can't deal with shit like that 🤦♀️
I'm providing the feedback they asked for and doing a review at the same time.
@@Reginald-sc9tkyea my point is that they probably know all these issues already, feedback, and why they made it very early access to say the least was to help with bugs and for people to propose new machanics, but fair enough your critics are fine, I just got so tired of people criticizing such a cool ass game by a small studio going agaisnt the grain, I think I just jumped the gun here. Mb dude, I'll give you a subscribe as an apology.
@@ripleybaier I saw a lot of heavy handed negative reviews myself so I get it. Personally I see that as unwarranted because it is, as you say, just EA. I have a lot of positive feelings about the game I just think its not ready yet for me to truly enjoy and I wanted to detail precisely why.
@@Reginald-sc9tk I agree and also I really really trust those devs. Btw have you answered their survey?? Might be a good place to say your stuff too.
I really agree with the agro part because I’m one of my games a hind agrod me and I ran into an exo and squad which I felt should have ended in the. Fighting each other but because of whatever reason I got blasted by the exo and ended up dead.
Yea its just not quite there on the AI and I think that's the weakest part.
Was excited to play but the optimization is appalling. There is no polish to the movement at all. The AI is bare bones. They became the studios they swore to be different from. Nice marketing and artistry, but they forgot to hire programmers. Sadly refunded, I don’t trust them now.
Its EARLY ACCESS. For fucks sake.
It's early access dog
A 20 man team doing a ambitious passion project isn't perfect in EA that they themselves didn't want to realease yet!?
No better than Concord I say!
The game isn't even done yet.
Another time where gamers think they are the experts. I don't think people quite understand that it isn't "implementing" something by just "adding it" and what goes into that. While reviews on games are fine, I think saying "here's how to make it better" is quite the insult to the people that actually put in the work. Like telling mcdonalds how to make the burgers better, but like you don't understand the full vision of what you're doing. You're also doing this to an early access build.
I could go over why these points are one by one but I recommend you instead, download unreal and go ahead and try.
Yeah, I have already worked in unreal. You assume too much.
@Reginald-sc9tk go apply to be on the team bud.
"Dont criticize the game because game development is hard!" Yeah this is a stupid take. We bought the game and have the right to voice what needs to be improved. Early Access isn't some magical title that shields games from criticism. It's not like the video was shitting on the game, just suggested what needs to be improved. Your McDonalds analogy makes no sense either.
Who?