Understanding Primers: Epoxy, Polyesters, and Urethanes explained.

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  • Understanding the different Primers is paramount in achieving the best results with all your hard work. This video explains Polyester, epoxy and Urethane primers. We will also get into what DTM (direct to metal) and hybrids do. If you are just starting your project or just want a better understanding of primers this is it.
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    Video Chapters:
    0:00 Intro
    0:15 Striping your car and panels
    2:33 Epoxy Primers
    5:34 Polyester Primer/ Polyurethane
    10:13 Urethane and Etch Primers
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  • @fulltilt6
    @fulltilt6 Рік тому +33

    Dang it ! I had questions, but by the end of the video you answered all of them lol ! I’m so glad I found your channel because I haven’t found another that’s so descriptive. The info you give like sanding grit , primer/paint properties, when and when not to do this or that etc. is unprecedented. Thanks for taking time to make these vids because there are lots of us who really benefit from it. I’m currently tearing down a 69 Roadrunner and have been so stressed about the body work part up until I found your channel. I’m totally confident now with all the info you’ve been giving. Thanks brother !

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Рік тому +1

      So very glad to hear!! We appreciate every one of these amazing comments. Thank you!!

    • @TheCoqguy
      @TheCoqguy Рік тому

      A

  • @frankgerardo8977
    @frankgerardo8977 Рік тому +6

    Finally, a single place to learn many things at once. Thank you! Superb.

  • @elizabethwinsor5140
    @elizabethwinsor5140 Рік тому +3

    Thanks , great information, very clear and direct , perfect!

  • @extremewhitetail837
    @extremewhitetail837 Рік тому +7

    I was nervous and scared as hell with all the products out there! Your video made it simple to understand. Thank you very much!

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Рік тому

      Glad I could help!

    • @LSpower7.0
      @LSpower7.0 Місяць тому

      painting a car is pretty easy previding you have some gun skill I started at 14 been doing it ever since I'm now 64 just talk to your paint supplier their usually ex spray painters I've found them willing to help you out

  • @donaldmatthies6026
    @donaldmatthies6026 Рік тому +1

    Another very well explained video. Thank you for taking time to film, edit and post this video.

  • @joewolf4483
    @joewolf4483 Рік тому +5

    Another great video for the novice hotrodder ...... answered a lot of my questions with reliable information .... really like your content ....

  • @huicogopar
    @huicogopar Рік тому +2

    Thank you for sharing your wisdom with a lot of us,I’ve learned so much in a few days God bless

  • @4speed3pedals
    @4speed3pedals Рік тому +8

    Thank you very much. This is the best explanation of how each primer is used that I have found to date. I now understand what is going on with the 3 primers and why certain things need to be done to achieve proper adhesion. Because of this, I have subscribed to your channel. Thanks again.

  • @vehdynam
    @vehdynam Рік тому +1

    Once again , fantastic useable information. Many thanks.

  • @ossimio
    @ossimio Рік тому +2

    excellent video as always
    i have learnt to read the product data sheet and you can't go wrong

  • @Bigskyguy56
    @Bigskyguy56 Рік тому +5

    A great explanation of these products & there uses, Pros & Cons. Thank you for using laymen terms & being clear & concise.
    Rick

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Рік тому +2

      Thank you I tried to keep it simple.

    • @louiselowe1568
      @louiselowe1568 4 місяці тому

      He articulates everything your mind could possibly want to know regarding this subject. Fantastic- all info on big subject in one place. AWESOME WORK - thank you from New Zealand 🇳🇿

  • @elopez4225
    @elopez4225 Рік тому +2

    Man, this is a great informational video!!! Thanks a bunch, I learned a ton!!!

  • @p-m2127
    @p-m2127 Рік тому +15

    This series is like a master class in auto refinishing..so many things explained well and questions answered. You deserve a million subscribers.

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Рік тому +1

      Thank you very much

    • @boostismagic
      @boostismagic Рік тому +2

      @@SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS Only he doesn't ask you to "join the VIP section" like others 👍

  • @dankjankings7339
    @dankjankings7339 Рік тому +3

    You are my hero. Finally found someone that actually explains.

  • @r1learner178
    @r1learner178 Рік тому

    Very informative video, thanks for taking the time to explain all this stuff.

  • @avomarkarian6187
    @avomarkarian6187 Рік тому +3

    Favorite channel learning a lot from the best all your videos are full of info thanks for teaching us and giving us all these videos 🙏

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Рік тому +1

      Thank you very much

    • @avomarkarian6187
      @avomarkarian6187 Рік тому

      @@SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS am going to restore my old 73 beetle and I live overseas sadly ppl who work in the restoration and body work have no knowledge about products and and the right steps cars get painted after few years all the problems start showing like rust and shrinking and cracks 😞😞 so I’ll be trying to do it by myself or teach someone who has experience in body work what to do and what to use if we have the products here crossing fingers

    • @avomarkarian6187
      @avomarkarian6187 Рік тому

      @@SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS can you plz send me your email I have questions about classic painting and restoring

  • @TRolla82
    @TRolla82 9 місяців тому

    best video i've found going into finding the suitable primer for my project cheers!

  • @eapauto
    @eapauto Рік тому +2

    Excellent job explaining it sir.

  • @mercedesmaintenance.6339
    @mercedesmaintenance.6339 Рік тому +3

    First time spraying vp 2050 today. Wow! This stuff sprays beautifully. 1.8 tip and it goes on like butter. Love the idea of using this all the way through the job.

  • @4by_yotaguy373
    @4by_yotaguy373 9 місяців тому

    Great educational video! 20 yrs ago when I was a paint prepper, shop I worked in mainly used all Sherwin-Williams products including urethane primers. This was so long ago it was before water-based base coats. We used a light spray etch on all bare metals, and they preferred the body men to use filler directly on bare metal. Definitely a lot of products and procedures have changed since then. This channel has a lot of good helpful videos 👍

  • @MrShaunblack
    @MrShaunblack Рік тому +2

    These are the answers I needed thank you!

  • @Jimmy-Legs
    @Jimmy-Legs 11 місяців тому +2

    This guy is an excellent teacher.

  • @dyingforpie6879
    @dyingforpie6879 Рік тому +2

    Hey man im sending love - just a few hours before i watched this video i had ordered my primer- and watching your video im gonna sleep better knowing i finally got it figured out ( i was sweating thinking you were going say dont ever use this product) keep making videos peace

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Рік тому

      We’re very glad to hear that it helped. Thank you so much for your comment that means a lot.

  • @donf1526
    @donf1526 Рік тому +2

    So very helpful. Awesome explanation.....

  • @johndoe43
    @johndoe43 Рік тому +2

    As always good video and info. Thank you

  • @gaudinjeff365
    @gaudinjeff365 Рік тому +1

    Thank you , great info and well presented

  • @lonestarlows
    @lonestarlows Рік тому +4

    Nice video. When I try to explain to people what epoxy I refer to it as sprayable glue that is water and (depending on the product), chemical resistant

  • @brianbonnick2196
    @brianbonnick2196 Рік тому +2

    Excellent videos, clearly you know your stuff. Would love to see a video dealing with working a fiberglass body, start to stop.

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Рік тому +1

      I’ve actually had a couple requests from this. We will have to do one in the future

  • @mikep509
    @mikep509 Місяць тому

    You sir an an encyclopedia of information... the best for us DIYers.... my summer project is attacking rust on my 2009 corrolla, and keeping the thing going for another 5 years

  • @dwaynelejeune3508
    @dwaynelejeune3508 Рік тому +2

    Dam Travis pass me the test sheet after watching your vids I’m ready for it!!! All joking aside your explanation is so understandable it’s scary. It’s like no other I’ve been watching. My save folder is slowly getting deleted and replaced with your vids. Much appreciated for you sharing your knowledge

  • @jasonhergert7573
    @jasonhergert7573 10 місяців тому

    Thanks for a great video, this clears up a few questions for and old school 1 K paint guy. 🙂

  • @jarvisgarrett7752
    @jarvisgarrett7752 Місяць тому

    Mannn ! Finally someone who can make it easy to understand .I Really Appreciate this video can't thank you enuff .🤘🏾

  • @randysoong6129
    @randysoong6129 Рік тому +2

    Awesome!! Thank you

  • @micksmith9768
    @micksmith9768 Рік тому +1

    i use the strip discs, they are awesome,

  • @deankay4434
    @deankay4434 Рік тому +6

    As a dealer tech, you can't afford mistakes, but as a one income family 40+ years ago, you bought used cars, fixed them and became transportation for everything. Even then, I would sand to bare metal for repair & a color change sometimes. I was shocked to sand a rock chip and find the "fingers of rust" spiderweb out 6", 8" or more. This scared me! We was going on under the paint to allow that? Not knowing it was fixed before using a standard primer, a standard filler, a standard sealer regardless of paint, single stage or base coat / clear. As chemistry has changed so much in 4 decades, now retired with time to research products, almost became more confusing to me. Only to find your channel and get explanations and straight answers from someone other than a guy behind the counter.
    We get flash rust and serious rust in the upper Midwest states over winter as rock chips are not cleaned, treated and ignored. It is maintenance. No different the gear oil in the final drive. It gets attention once loud, obnoxious and headed for disaster. Then, it may get its first gear lube since new, but has 148 miles on it. Travis, thanks again for a great bucket load of information. Epoxy for my vehicle! Marketing drive the product and "DTM" is showing up everywhere and it scares me. It is not needed if you remove the old finish, sand and clean, spray. It implies that an acid, weak, strong, phosphoric or other is required. DTM to me, logically says skipping a step and costing more. I don't have a "Vibrance VB2050" budget, but I do have time. Not like a 34 year old guy, but one who will do each step, wait for it to shrink, do something else and revisit those panels later. Am I wrong? DK, Omaha. Great info.

    • @class5bodyworks
      @class5bodyworks Рік тому +1

      Hi Dean! Another epic novel! 😁 Just kidding. Yeah, I hear you on the elements in the midwest. It's a killer. They don't call it the rust belt for nothing. One difference also is the difference in metals that are used from 40+ years ago to today. Some vehicles years ago you could find galvanized metal in certain areas (Mustang rockers) and usually held up pretty well. Now, all the sheet metal has zinc coatings so you dont see that spider rust as much as you used to.Then there is HHS, UHSS, alloys with boron,laminated steel,aluminum and so on. So you really need to know where and what it is. High tech stuff. Take care.

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Рік тому +2

      You are 100% correct there’s so many ways in this industry that you can slice anyone project but you were on the right path. We’re happy to help and thanks for watching.

    • @deankay4434
      @deankay4434 Рік тому

      @@SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS Helping others succeed in their project using best practices is what we do. You teach, I learn, pay it forward. That is a true blessing to allow a total stranger to do it and be happy. Time is short.
      Travis, you pick some great topics for your videos, nice!
      I will say those that use product and let it cure, then destroy sample A, B, C etc get huge hits and likes. It is like project farms, except for automotive body.
      Did you ever see MrFireman164 do his Ospho to body filler torture test. I haven't checked but 1.4M views and thousands & thousands of likes & comments. Stay healthy Travis! I hate sinus issues, plus the sales / tech for my electrodes & controller, they gave up and quit. Bummer! DK, Omaha

  • @LynchAutoHouse
    @LynchAutoHouse Рік тому +8

    Great video. I use VP2050 all day and love it. Definitely a slow sanding product, but it’s physically tough as nails and I trust it with my life. I also use Tamcos 53XX series, best high build urethane in the business, period. I also love Tamcos 770 series, another hi build epoxy.

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Рік тому

      Thank you.

    • @jmbstudio6873
      @jmbstudio6873 Рік тому

      Polyester for high build. Just need to seal them or they might fail. Also need a 2.0 tip gun to spray it correctly.

    • @Supanova70
      @Supanova70 Рік тому

      ever use 53xx over etch? Can you?

  • @froe31061
    @froe31061 Рік тому +1

    DUDE, YOU ARE MY HERO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Рік тому +1

      🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻 thank you. Not all hero’s wear capes 🤣

  • @Road_Rash
    @Road_Rash Рік тому +2

    Awesome! This will save me money by not buying products I don't need! Excellent info, thoroughly explained! 🖖🏿😎👍🏿

  • @kennethbrown5784
    @kennethbrown5784 19 днів тому

    Very good video thank you for sharing

  • @angelonikitaras2977
    @angelonikitaras2977 Рік тому +2

    very informative thank you

  • @teaganwindago3132
    @teaganwindago3132 8 місяців тому

    Man I've been painting, stripping, restorating, and rebuilding for 44 years. If you would write the Painters-Filler bible I would buy it no matter the cost. I found out about flash times decades ago on my 71 Chevy truck. Painting the rebuilt control arms. I past the flash time with the second coat and it crackled. I spent twice the time removing all the paint then I spent on cleaning, priming and painting the parts. I wasn't too stupid then but now I realize now just how much I didn't know then. Thank you for a educational video.

  • @srome0711
    @srome0711 9 місяців тому +1

    great video - Thank you!

  • @carguytroy
    @carguytroy 6 місяців тому +4

    I've watched hundreds of videos, read till my eyes want to fall out about this topic and this video is the only one I should have ever watched. I've been totally confused till now. You are awesome!!

  • @RandallSoong-pp7ih
    @RandallSoong-pp7ih Рік тому +3

    Thank you!!

  • @LSpower7.0
    @LSpower7.0 Місяць тому

    I'm using a high build as both primer and sealer works for me nothing worse than shrink back, great video I was bored finger I watch it good info

  • @jacquesdubord6844
    @jacquesdubord6844 7 місяців тому

    Best ever see video on the subject.

  • @niconine268
    @niconine268 10 місяців тому

    Thankyou. This is perfect

  • @JohnDoe-ud2cc
    @JohnDoe-ud2cc 10 місяців тому

    I’ve used I think every kind of primer you can think of in the last 30 years. My hands down favorite today is valspar DTM. Fills good, sands good, good price, DTM, and can be used as a sealer.

  • @crazyrat51
    @crazyrat51 Місяць тому

    I am a 40 plus year painter, collision and custom work.
    Collision work I worked on straight commision.
    Would always turn in 80 -100 hrs a week.
    I got paid 45% of the shop rate times how many hrs. turned in.
    For example, did 100 hrs of work x 45% of $65 per hour.
    45% of $65 = $29.25, $29.25 x 100 hrs.
    $2925.00 per week.
    This was in 2010 when I retired.
    I would always 100% of the time use the proper sealer.
    ZERO problems, EVER!!!
    When I first started painting I did EVERY MISTAKE
    there was, and then some.
    BUT I LEARNED.
    The last ten years I could do many cars with zero errors.
    That was from learning and paying atterntion!
    Redos and comebacks were ALWAYS FREE!
    Eliminate those and you are making good money!
    You had the BEST advise and how to for all the substrate finishes!!!
    Most of my products were PPG.
    Made a lot of money with PPG!!!

    • @crazyrat51
      @crazyrat51 Місяць тому

      All the custom work was with House OF KOLOR'
      Kosmoski started here in Minneapolis, Mn.
      Easy products to get!
      They used to be cheaper than regular colors, but notany more....

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Місяць тому

      Thank you!!

  • @jimhoran5445
    @jimhoran5445 Рік тому +2

    The best on UA-cam! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

  • @user-jw4oi5gw2x
    @user-jw4oi5gw2x Місяць тому

    love your content!

  • @chuckburden1721
    @chuckburden1721 Рік тому +1

    Really like your videos I'm working on a 68 corvette would love to see some videos on working fiberglass thanks for knowledge 👍

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Рік тому +1

      I’ll keep that in mind. If you have instagram we just did a bunch on a cobra

    • @chuckburden1721
      @chuckburden1721 Рік тому

      Not having much luck with Instagram lol to old to figure it out. Do have a question I've been researching primers what would you recommend for fiberglass? Father fil g2 or vp 2050 or both? Thanks again for your knowledge!! If your ever in north Carolina holler at me

  • @looper451
    @looper451 Рік тому +30

    Id like to make a few comments on the Polyester primer. First off l would never suggest spraying polyester over epoxy wet on wet. Because Polyester cures so quickly and so hard, it wont give the epoxy enough time to set up on the substrate, and often leads to delimitation in the future; lve actually had this happen to me. Epoxy should sit for a minimum of 72 hours, preferably baked several times, and then fully scuffed with 150-180 before applying polyester. Secondly in reference to the shrinkage (l was in the pool!) Polyester really doesn’t have any. Perhaps it just comes down to product difference, l used to use slick sand now l use House of Kolor polyester. Because Polyester, or at least the HoK that l use, isn’t reduced and doesn’t have a lot of solvents, the shrinkage is essentially 0 and what you see is what you get when you spray it. Those are just my opinions from experience but ld like to hear what others thing as well

    • @class5bodyworks
      @class5bodyworks Рік тому +2

      Well said. I've tried a few polyesters. Some Evercoat and PPG VP2100. By comparison, I liked the 2100. PPG was having trouble getting some ingredients a while back so it was offline. That's when I found the 2050 and stuck with it. I have used DP90LV reduced as a sealer for bare metal before polyester and had no issues with decent flash time and using just enough epoxy to cover. I was told by an Evercoat rep that the new generation of their polyesters are direct to metal if using the correct catalyst. Wouldn't recommend the Optex poly. It's a gimmick. Good concept but not enough contrast to call a guide coat. Sands like concrete. "I was in the pool". I caught that! "Like a frightened turtle". 😆

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Рік тому +2

      Thanks chris!

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Рік тому +1

      In regards to shrinkage all materials have a certain level of shrinkage the footage that was shown does not show it as good as I could. However, there is a good amount of shrinkage that happens with the ever coat that we sprayed in this video however, the VP 2050 has very little shrinkage and because it’s not just a straight epoxy it is a highbuild, it actually cures in three days And is not continuing to lose weight when measured on a scale. With that being said, you can topcoat the primer that we used with a poly, but I agree with your comment if you are using a traditional epoxy. thank you for your comment.

    • @looper451
      @looper451 Рік тому +5

      @@SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS If either of your ever want to use a good polyester, l highly recommend the House of Kolor. Mixes with a hardener, no reducer, and sprays unbelievably smooth for a polyester. Like l said l used to use the evercoat slick sand and l had to reduce that by about 10-15% because it sprayed so chunky. This HoK poly sprays and sands even smoother than a reduced Evercoat product

    • @class5bodyworks
      @class5bodyworks Рік тому

      @@looper451
      Thanks for the tip. I'll keep that in mind if I have any supply issues with the 2050 again. Do you happen to have a ballpark price on that?

  • @Kustompaint2026
    @Kustompaint2026 Рік тому +1

    Working in a shop where we do a lot of overall paint on older vehicles, sometimes will strip bad paint to bare metal & using an etch primer to seal the metal will just use a sealer over the etch primer & then just repaint the entire vehicle, this usually works very good & have never had any problems

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Рік тому

      Whatever works 👍🏻

    • @Kustompaint2026
      @Kustompaint2026 Рік тому

      I guess if you’re a lot of restoration work & applying body filler, I can see how these primers would be beneficial too!!

  • @speedokoterefinishnetwork4937
    @speedokoterefinishnetwork4937 Рік тому +3

    Good video

  • @garygunn6401
    @garygunn6401 Рік тому +4

    You confirmed exactly what I thought about body filler and polyester primer. Thanks

  • @QuinntumAZ
    @QuinntumAZ 8 місяців тому

    I'm gonna need to watch this a few times.

  • @davelewis2174
    @davelewis2174 Рік тому +2

    thanks good info

  • @tnasituning8173
    @tnasituning8173 Рік тому +2

    This is BY FAR! HANDS DOWN! one of THEE BEST PRIMER TUTORIALS ON UA-cam!
    VERY DETAILED, VERY INFORMATIVE!
    question though, once your body filler is all Worked out and you have sprayed a high build feather fill polyester primer, blocked that and primer sealed it...
    What is best primer to be allowed over the top of the sealer if you STILL have some imperfections? Use a putty/polyester feather fill to get any scratches/imperfections out? Or just go over it with a few coats of a Polyurethane Primer block and Seal prime again? (And yes I understand that you said to only apply filler/putty polyesters over Urethane or epoxy and NOT on Direct metal, so I get that, but if having to re-apply a high build primer or putty for filling/fixing Imperfections, can i just apply some more primer sealer to just those putty areas? Or should I first apply some Urethane Primer over the putty/ployester areas, resand then seal?)
    Or would it be better to just go with the VP2050 Epoxy Primer over my Primer Sealer since it is technically a Sealer itself, block that, then finish with a Polyurethane Primer and Primer sealer (Sealer layer used once again, 2wice now)?
    Fir last thing to do before laying down my base coat? As obviously a primer sealer should be the last and final layer before base coat

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Рік тому +1

      Thank you very much. If your body work is where you need it to be if you are using a polyester primer, you would keep applying polyester until your body work is done and then you would be sealing it up. You do not want to go back-and-forth with different kinds of primer. It might be OK but you’re just asking for problems. This is specifically why I only use VP 2050 I can use it when I start and when I am finished and when that is wet sanded with 600 grit. Then I can go over the car with a sealer and basecoat back to back wet on wet.

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Рік тому +1

      Also, make sure you read the TDS sheet VP 2050 is not used as a sealer. You cannot paint over it directly wet on wet.

    • @tnasituning8173
      @tnasituning8173 Рік тому

      @@SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS that makes sense to me... However though after having to re-apply more polyester primer (like the Evercoat featherfill or Clausen All-U-Need) wouldn't i want to go over that with Urethane Primer, do 1 last FINAL block, then use the primer Sealer? Or should these Polyester Featherfill/high build Primers be only applied OVER scratches instead of any Urethane Primers? It just seems that these Poly-Urethane Primers have alot less shrinkage then the Polyester products so I thought that maybe a high build Polyurethane would just play it safer then the High Build polyester feather fill stuff...
      I guess it would be also better on which decision at this step of the process to make, based on which of the 2 types of primers are easier and quicker to sand...
      Again I REALLY have thought long about your advice to only either Etch Prime, then Urethane Prime... or if using EPOXY PRIMER, apply EPOXY PRIMER, then apply POLYURETHANE Primer BEFORE DOING BODY WORK (FILLER, PUTTY, POLYESTER FEATHER FILL PRIMERS) SO THAT ANY OF THE POLYESTER BASED PRODUCTS ARE NOT ON BARE METAL (UNLESS THEY ARE SPECIFIED TO BE DTM)...
      So I guess what my question is, is that if I still had some small metal spots come through that weren't really high spots but lets say a high body line crease on a hood or top of a door panel, is it perfectly fine to go over that with some more DTM ONLY rated POLYESTER Primer? Or will I have to use the Self Etching Primer over these small bare metal areas???
      And what about a PolyUrethane rated DTM Primer? Are those available? And if so Could I even use that still on top of body work before Primer Sealing? Or should that be Only applied on bare metal?
      But I i do get that if I were to use a DTM Polyurethane over the small metal areas poking through, then NOT to go back and use a Polyester Featherfill DTM Primer again... As this seems the multiple layers of Polyester products would get wavy waves from shrinkage on the multiple layers...
      I think answering this last FINAL Question will solve my dilemmas im having with the DTM rated stuff, When in doubt I would say that look on the Data Sheet to see if any of these DTM and DTM Polyester products have either typical shrinkage, very minimal, or virtually none!
      I feel Like we are not only learning bodywork skills, but a blend of that and mad scientist chemists 😆 since if you study and learn your chemical compounds, it should REALLY Help out on what, with, when, where to use in conjunction or next to another chemical compound make up of another product... Whether its the same brand or another Brand...

  • @wardfrahler6779
    @wardfrahler6779 Рік тому

    What a wealth of usable information. I’m going through your videos now. I have questions for my own project. Working on a 41 Ford coupe for my wife and I just had the engine rebuilt. I’m wanting to paint it with an acrylic enamel, which I already have. I want the aluminum heads, block and oil pan to be painted same color. Questions:
    1. Would you clean and acid wash, please keep in mind the engine is assembled and I can’t get water or other stuff in it.
    2. Would you use epoxy or urethane primer? I want to do wet on wet.
    Thank you for all your knowledge sharing.

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  11 місяців тому +1

      I will not acid wash. I clean thoroughly with a degreaser scuff it up as best as I can use an epoxy primer and after that flash’s off go to paint. 👍🏻

  • @cpte117
    @cpte117 Рік тому +1

    This guy knows what he talking bout 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽

  • @nuclearbum9858
    @nuclearbum9858 Рік тому +2

    like this guy....good info

  • @garylivingston9052
    @garylivingston9052 Рік тому +1

    Polyester primers basically have no shrinkage because there is no reducer to it, only MEKP liquid hardener. Urethane primers usually have shrinkage because of the liquid hardener and reducer added to spray it. 30 years of doing high end paint jobs and only use epoxy ( 48+) hrs dry time and polyester primer all the way to finished sanded in 4-600 grit. Use the epoxy in the end as a sealer and that combination of those two products has produced many killer jobs. The only flaw about polyester primer is that it offers zero flexibility and chips
    extremely easy on door/hood edges..etc. so you need to be careful how much is applied in certain areas. Your video is definitely better than most that i have viewed on here.

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Рік тому +1

      I agree partially the only thing I disagree with is the shrinkage. If you do a shrink test on a bare panel you will see that all of the products have a level of shrinkage. Some are more than others weigh a 1‘ x 1‘ panel on a scale after spraying it with polyester only and then give it a few days and weigh it again then wait a few weeks and weigh it again. He will notice by doing this test the amount of shrinkage that no matter what every product has if it’s losing weight, it is shrinking if it stops losing weight, it is done shrinking.

    • @garylivingston9052
      @garylivingston9052 Рік тому +1

      @@SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS Never thought of looking at the weight aspect of it? If you sand it open and it still has a strong smell then the solvent is still in there. I guess the key here is that the type of work that we do
      on these old cars there should be no hurry to rush the products. I find that most people that have issues when painting is because they are in a hurry and don't let things dry properly. I give the products plenty of time
      to gas out. People also will sand and polish a vehicle way too soon because it seems to polish easier, well that is because it is still soft and then it dies back and you have to do it all over again. Be patient people. I have done the shrink test with clear before by leaving around an inch of leftover clear in the bottom of the plastic mixing cup and setting it aside for a few weeks, then look to see how much the puck has shrunk away from the sides. Pretty amazing actually and this test can be applied to primer also. Thanks for responding back and keep up the good work.

  • @jmbstudio6873
    @jmbstudio6873 Рік тому +4

    I only use epoxy/acrylic hybrids or HOK A and B. DTM for the win...usually good for fiberglass too. What I dont like about hybrids is the claim that it is used as a sealer too at a higher reduction. I prefer urethane sealers as they are more UV resistant than epoxies/hybrids. I also use paint stripper to remove old coatings. I prefer to sweep up the gunk rather than have dust all over my entire shop.
    Spray On!

  • @PMDc-OneCarGarage
    @PMDc-OneCarGarage Рік тому +1

    Thanks!

  • @wayneatkins6053
    @wayneatkins6053 Рік тому +2

    Really informative videos. Started out watching the ones from several different people but now just mainly watch yours. I'm restoring a 56 Belair and a nova ss at the moment, have 90% of my metal work done and it's time to start removing the heavy surface before priming. Just wondering if you or any of your followers have tried Picklex 20 rust converter, if it is worth the asking price. Don't have information on application as of yet but it is supposed to be compatible with the ppg 2050.

  • @clarkharvell5242
    @clarkharvell5242 Рік тому +1

    Great info! I am a newby, working on a 54 chevy car. My local paint shop recommended me using Roberlo DTM 4:2 Urethane primer. I like what you said about the VP2050 for the hardness. I guess using the Urethane primer was not a mistake but could the VP 2050 be used as a sealer on top of it? Thanks for such a wonderful explanation!

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Рік тому

      I do not recommend 2050 as a sealer. Get an actual sealer.

  • @tomshumpert
    @tomshumpert Рік тому

    Great video! Also perfect timing.
    I am stripping my panels to bare metal. And once I was done, I am spraying Eastwood epoxy primer. I also have to do body work on it. So some thin set bondo. At this point would you spray 2k primer, sand, then spray sealer . Then base coat clear coat?
    Thanks

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Рік тому +2

      We only use one primer vp2050 but yes you definitely could do it that way. I try and limit how many different primers I use because of potential failures etc. consistency is always best but do whatever works within your project and budget

  • @trentrobinson2106
    @trentrobinson2106 Рік тому +2

    Great videos! Thank you for doing these videos. What do you do for the backside of panels for protection? Remove e-coat and epoxy prime and sealer?

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Рік тому +2

      They all vary. We strip ecoat and epoxy. After epoxy some get painted some get undercoated and some get lizard skin

    • @trentrobinson2106
      @trentrobinson2106 Рік тому

      Thank you for response!

  • @clne36
    @clne36 Рік тому +1

    Wow this video was so helpful! I am in the process of shaving my engine bay. After watching this is seems like the VP2050 epoxy primer is the way to go... I am however worried about all the little nooks and crannies in an engine bay since I won't be able to DA sand a lot of those with 80 grit. I could definitely just use my hands and some 80 grit sandpaper in those spots but not sure if the pattern created by the DA sander is required for the epoxy to stick?

  • @tuckerc3802
    @tuckerc3802 3 місяці тому

    I've been using the VP 2015 for my 57 Chevy truck and it's amazing thank you for the video my only question is when you burn through do you go back with VP 2050 and touch that spot up or do you just use a urethane over the Bondo that you burned through

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  3 місяці тому

      I always make sure I go back over it with 2050 before I go to a urethane sealer you need uniform coverage and if you just rely on the urethane over the areas that burned through it will shrink back and have a halo later on down the road guaranteed ask me how I know 🤣

  • @ricardocastaneda1228
    @ricardocastaneda1228 4 місяці тому

    Thanks ! 👊🏻✌🏻

  • @danawick9817
    @danawick9817 Рік тому +1

    heres one for you, 84 Fiero weathered ive had to do lots of sanding to get the roughness out of the hood and roof .which is SMC, the fenders and bumpers i think are the same urethane now there is spidering on the fenders and bumpers should I use epoxy after sanding down past the paint and maybe use a polyester primer to build over the spidering?? not sure what to do here as everything is flexible . urethane primer?? for the whole car? . Thanks in advance . great videos

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Рік тому

      Thank you! Yep strip it down all the way and epoxy. You are on the right path. If it was me, I would use VP 2050 to do the whole thing start to finish and not use any other primer. I’m not just saying that for no reason that’s all we use and we have great results.

  • @gushall708
    @gushall708 Рік тому +2

    GREAT Video! Thanks for Sharing! Proud to be a Subscriber! Have A Super Week!…..Gus

  • @wayneatkins6053
    @wayneatkins6053 Рік тому

    Again another informative video, keep up the good work. Learning something everytime I watch one. Do have a question though, the acid wash you use isn't available here locally, sure it is in some of the larger towns around or ordering it online but I was interested in some of the products I can get right here. What is your opinion on using SEM Rust Mort as my acid wash then Ospho on top of that before applying my epoxy before doing my body work? And also will 1k epoxy work to encapsulate the sheet metal and give me a longer window to finish my body work?

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Рік тому +1

      I recommend sealing the car in epoxy then doing your body work. Don’t use rust mort as an acid wash

  • @MIKEANDTHEMECHANICS
    @MIKEANDTHEMECHANICS 10 місяців тому

    Thank you for the awesome videos a question that I have is how straight do I have to get my metal before putting on the filler or 2K primer. I guess my question is when the car sits out in the sun and everything heats up will the waves show up? I have my 67 Camaro door sheet metal all hammer and dollied out two within a 32nd and no oil canning present. I would appreciate your input. Thanks again for your awesome video series.

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  10 місяців тому

      A 32nd and firm I say run it 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻 I’d say 1/16 is where I like to be at minimum

  • @raymondcollyear4773
    @raymondcollyear4773 Рік тому +1

    After the epoxy and bodywork then is it ok to use the polyester primer over the bodywork being you have the epoxy to keep moisture out? I've got a Cadillac like the one I saw in the back ground and it's going to be a work in progress. So I just want to make sure I do what little bodywork done without messing things up . Thank you for the videos they are very informative for use old guys trying to relive our youth in cars

  • @mikegordon7292
    @mikegordon7292 Рік тому

    Thanks for your great tutorial I have a question I bought a Dr Color chip I've toughed up my tailgate a quarter PAnel but I accidentally spilled my sealant /blending solution would you k ow a substitute or how to make on before my paint drys thanks again a keep up the great tutorial s

  • @chetstevens4929
    @chetstevens4929 Рік тому +2

    Best teacher on the internet!! Thank you sir!! I’ve been using HOK KD3000 for my project currently. How do you feel it compares to VP 5050? Have you ever used it?

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Рік тому

      Thank you! Unfortunately I haven’t used it. Which one of the three categories is it?

    • @chetstevens4929
      @chetstevens4929 Рік тому +2

      @@SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS falls under the DTM epoxy hybrid. Can be a high build first then reduced to a surfacer, then sealer depending on the mix ratio. Thanks for your reply. Was just curious if you’d used it before. I’m trying to keep to 1 product line (house of kolor) or else I would have used vp2050. Your videos have helped me tremendously during my process. Thanks again!

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Рік тому

      @@chetstevens4929 that’s great best route to go. Thanks for watching we’re glad to hear the successes

  • @mrgentry66
    @mrgentry66 7 місяців тому

    Awesome video. I have a question hopefully you have time to answer. I had powder coated a motorcycle gas tank and fender. The coating shop did not leave a good finish look. My plan is to sand the powder coat to a smooth finish and then paint with 2k. I will not be using filler or build compounds. Not a show room peice.
    Can I use a urethane sealer over the powder once sanded, I plan on having an edge on a weld that may go through to metal.
    Or should I sand and apply epoxy primer and skip the sealer.
    Thank you

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  7 місяців тому

      Yeah sand the powder really good it’s strong stuff and you can go over it 👌🏻

  • @MagedVIII
    @MagedVIII Рік тому

    Very informative! Although i did have one question. While doing an engine bay and sanding down to bare metal on some spots due to surface rust while other spots are only scuffed. Which primers should i use?
    Because i was going to apply an etch to the bare metal spots only and a normal 2k primer over the whole thing. Or should i take a different route?

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Рік тому +1

      Best route is an epoxy highbuild hands down. Vp2050 is what I’d recommend.

  • @oOAltoOo
    @oOAltoOo Рік тому +1

    Slicksand (polyester) seems like it's not porous at all, used it to seal up a composite thermostat I'm experimenting with - I know its not the intended use - but it's sealed up a few leaks of coolant at 90c for a few months now. It's not the polyester itself that is porous but the additives mixed into the resin so depends on product, after all, every fibreglass hull uses polyester resin. Cheers for the video.

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Рік тому +1

      Thank you. Yeah they all have a different make up of chemicals. This video was intended for people to just help them get a clear direction on where they need to start so it’s not overwhelming. Thanks for your comment.

  • @darrenh.3514
    @darrenh.3514 Рік тому

    So if I use the VP2050 and get everything blocked out to the point I'm close to paint do I seal it with the urythane and do a wet sand then base and clear?? Thank you for the awesome videos, I'm learning a ton!! Cheers!

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Рік тому +1

      You do not have to seal with a urethane and then wet sand. I actually block everything out to 220 grit, and then I wet sand with 600 and a spray urethane sealer and go directly into basecoat clearcoat after it flashes off. Here’s the caveat, depending on how good you spray you might have orange peel that Will make your basecoat and clearcoat look not as good so if you want to take the extra steps to wet sand, the urethane then by all means do so there’s a bunch of different ways you can slice this.

  • @glennshotrodgarage5509
    @glennshotrodgarage5509 Рік тому +1

    cre is the off brand of 2050- ? can you put these over paint ? thank you for your awesome videos you are very through at explaining things !

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Рік тому +3

      Thank you. CRE is the industrial version of the same product VP 2050 you are correct when they had shortages with the resin‘s. We were using CRE and it worked amazing. and yes, if you are going over an existing paint job, you can do that with his primary as well.

  • @Obs.society
    @Obs.society Рік тому +3

    Hey sylvertercustoms I have a quick question , what body filler do you recommend ? I seen you use upol lightweight and ever coat rage ultra . I’m currently in school and working on my project but can’t decide what body filler to purchase . Your opinion will save me a headache .

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Рік тому +3

      Upol went down hill we don’t use it anymore. We use rage ultra or 3m platinum plus

  • @Jdakota
    @Jdakota 5 місяців тому

    I used to use Urethane high build primer to do my final sandblocking. I heard it takes much longer than polyester to fully cure and can produce urethane wave down the line. I loved how great it sanded. I have since moved to polyester (evercoat slicksand) but noticed its much harder to sand and the prices of Polyester primer seem to have skyrocketed. Thinking of going back to Urethane for final blocking. Is it true that it takes weeks to months to final cure and no more shrinking?

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  5 місяців тому

      Depends on the product and mill thickness etc but yes it could. I use an epoxy highbuild

  • @RS-gh2mf
    @RS-gh2mf Рік тому +1

    I still like my DP 90 over bare metal first, but after my bodyfiller I'm going to try Evercoat super build over it. Have always used NCP 271 for my final prime, but at over 800.00 a gallon I'll use the 2050 reduced.

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Рік тому

      The main reason I like vp2050 so much is that it’s one product instead of having to use several. Which results in better consistency and less failures. But whatever works👍🏻

    • @RS-gh2mf
      @RS-gh2mf Рік тому

      @@SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS I don't so much about failure, if I'm using the same products from primer, base coat to clear.

  • @Manofthehr30
    @Manofthehr30 5 місяців тому

    What do you recommend to remove thick bondo? Thanks, love the content.

  • @mercedesmaintenance.6339
    @mercedesmaintenance.6339 6 місяців тому

    I've been blocking the vp 2050 this weekend. Everything is straight now and looking great. But I have a couple of very small break throughs to bare metal. I'm currently at the 150 grit point. What would you do know? Just reprime again and go lighter on the blocking stage?

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  6 місяців тому

      Correct depending on how much metal is showing you might even get away with spot priming

    • @mercedesmaintenance.6339
      @mercedesmaintenance.6339 6 місяців тому

      @@SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS Thanks! I really like the vp 2050. I expected it to be extremely tough to sand, but once I break the top surface it sands really nicely. Also if I were to use a sealer before paint what would you recommend? If anything. Cheers John 🍻

  • @norberthernandez1773
    @norberthernandez1773 Рік тому +1

    Great video so my question is there's no need to use self etch primer when you can use 2k for a sealer it that correct. !! Thanks

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Рік тому +1

      You are talking two different questions. Etch is for bare metal if you are not using epoxy or a DTM. A sealer is done before paint. Does that answer it?

  • @special195
    @special195 7 місяців тому

    Do you recommend taking off the replacement part primer to bar metal and what grit metal scratch (180 - 150) then epoxy primer

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  7 місяців тому

      Yes I strip everything to bare metal with 80 grit on a DA then epoxy

  • @jrcll7856
    @jrcll7856 Рік тому +2

    if you have the opportunity, put the car or pieces out in the sun, the suns uv rays are the best to make sure your primers are dry and won`t shrink later on

  • @stephenvanvliet9812
    @stephenvanvliet9812 11 місяців тому

    I was banging my head watching primer tutorial videos just looking for the information you provide. Great video and explanations. If possible, could you confirm my reasoning on using the DP2050 primer: I’m taken off the clear coat on my 72 c10, but also had to go to bare metal on some areas. I do want to be able to sand after I apply this mainly because I’m learning and don’t expect to get this good right away. On the other hand, I don’t exactly know my time frame and want to use a product that could potentially sit for a bit before paint (project truck). Does this sound like the right product?

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  11 місяців тому +1

      Absolutely. Vp2050 is honestly hood it all situations.

    • @stephenvanvliet9812
      @stephenvanvliet9812 11 місяців тому

      @@SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS can I ask your take on CRE epoxy primer? Only reason I ask is they offer a black primer and I saw another person saying when they don’t use DP2050, they will use this.

  • @russellgeorgelindsay6483
    @russellgeorgelindsay6483 10 місяців тому

    Sylvesters mate love your work mate excellent channel
    Hi everyone I'm from Australia I like the vp2050 product just would like a answer I'm going to start complete rebuild. On xc falcon so it has rust seals wheel arches. Gutter rails so it's a very long process for one person full time at home job so what are all the products to use with the vp2050 from start to finish from acid wash
    regards Russell

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  10 місяців тому +1

      Thank you! Technically acid washing is optional. You can just DA sand with 80 grit wax and grease remover to clean the metal and go straight to vp2050

  • @chiefwraps7711
    @chiefwraps7711 Рік тому +1

    Ok, so if I understand correctly. I start with bare metal, use wax and grease remover, then spray epoxy high-build sealer that can be sanded (the one you use). After it has dried for a week or so, the bodywork is then performed on top of that. My question is, during bodywork as I sand, if I start to see that I'm sanding through the sealer coat (like seeing pencil marks from a low area) I should stop and apply more coats of high-build sealer and let it cure for another week before continuing sanding/bodywork? Then, after all bodywork is complete, spray one last coat of sealer before the basecoat color goes down?

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Рік тому +2

      You are pretty spot on. You don’t have to reapply epoxy vp2050 until filler work is done. But if you are not happy after that you can re spot filler and 2050 as needed. Vp2050 is not a sealer. Actual sealer is different. You do that last before paint. We use Ecs sealer

  • @jarnolehtinen2269
    @jarnolehtinen2269 Місяць тому

    Question: is media blasting sufficient prep for adhesion before applying epoxy? If my car body is completely media blasted do I still need to prep it with 80 grit for proper epoxy adhesion?

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Місяць тому +1

      If the media you are using leaves a rough profile, then you are good to go directly to epoxy

  • @alleonhard261
    @alleonhard261 6 місяців тому

    When I get a new fender, aftermarket or whatever, I want to put a coat of something on the inside to rust prevent it from rust. Would you recommend Epoxy Primer for this or is there something better to use ? I've already used spray can undercoating, you know the black tar type stuff, but what do most people use for rust protection besides like Woolwax or that. I can maybe do some of that later, but I don't want to contaminate the outside that I have to paint yet. What do you use ?

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  6 місяців тому

      We epoxy the bare metal and use a raptor liner over the epoxy

    • @alleonhard261
      @alleonhard261 6 місяців тому

      Never heard of raptor liner, is it a type of paint that comes in a qt can or something ?
      @@SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS

  • @UtzChips2009
    @UtzChips2009 Рік тому +3

    There must be 10,,000 videos on block sanding & 99% of them are hacks & they're getting great reviews from people who don't know any better. I'm doing my best to get the word out about your channel. Cheers

  • @paulmanhart4481
    @paulmanhart4481 9 місяців тому

    This is a great video. You have cleared up a lot of my confusion. Thanks.
    What primer would you use on bare cast iron? I have an old lathe I’m restoring. I’m taking everything down to bare metal. I heard that self etching primer was best for cast iron, so I was going to use that followed by a urethane primer to seal it. But maybe I should use epoxy primer.
    What’s your thought?
    Thanks,
    Paul

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  9 місяців тому +1

      I’d use vp2050 on it. It’s a one stop shop primer. 👌🏻

    • @paulmanhart4481
      @paulmanhart4481 7 місяців тому

      @@SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      So you recommend the VP2050 high build primer as opposed to an epoxy primer with bondo? Is there a special brand I should use? Does my top coat go directly on top of this primer? Enamel or urethane? I don’t want to get the wrong stuff.
      Thanks,
      Paul

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  7 місяців тому

      @@paulmanhart4481 vp2050 is made by ppg although it’s called a DTM it’s chemical makeup is an epoxy high build. You seal up the car with it scuff that up do your filler work over it then use it again over filler. When you are done you wet sand it to 600 and use sealer and paint

  • @SupercarSeany
    @SupercarSeany 4 місяці тому

    So I use vp2050 as my first coat, and then do my body filler and any sanding/blocking. Assuming I don’t expose any metal, I can go right to a urethane sealer and then base coat? If some metal comes up during the blocking phase, should i do vp2050 THEN urethane sealer? Or am I ok to paint right on top of vp2050?

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  3 місяці тому

      I recommend a sealer always. But yes seal up the metal with vp2050