I am not catholic, but I love Jesus and this is a lovely description of the Holy Spirit. I’ve only found your channel today and I very much enjoy listening to you, you have a very gentle way about you and I think you make a lot of good points.
Thank you Dr Ashenden...I will make this lent a time for pursuing the Holy Spirit....I am so glad u did not become a priest...our priests have to keep their sermons v short now here in Ireland...nnew instructions....and they seem to be afraid to speak up for the truth of Christ...Anne
I hear you loud and clear Dr. Gavin. You are a blessing to so many people around the world as the Holy Spirit fully indwells in you. Thanks be to God Amen 🙏🏻 This message brought me to open up to Romans 12:1-21. Glory to you Lord Christ ❤
I always imagine when I am praying to the Holy Spirit that He is Living Water. In dreams sometimes I dream of water that is so pure it is almost crystalline as if it has more substance than mere water. In these dreams the water feels divine. I do adore the Holy Spirit because of the mystery and culmination of Christ's love. Always love your sermons. So wise and you do not compromise the Truth. So needed in these times.
Thanks your Lordship! This is the most beautiful explanation i ever heard about the Holy Spirit. You are an excellent preacher and we Catholics are fortunate that you joined us. A Catholic from Sri Lanka
The greatest literary work on the Holy Spirit (outside of our scriptures) is Yves Congar's, 'I BELIEVE IN THE HOLY SPIRIT'. My copy is peppered with 'high-lit' sections, of which an example is, "The Spirit thus furthers the cause of the gospel. He encourages great initiatives to renew the Church, missions, the emergence of new religious orders, great works of the mind and heart. He inspires necessary reforms and prevents them from becoming merely external arrangements, so that they are able to lead to a new life according to the spirit of Jesus". (p57, of Volume 2; in the paperback edition). THIS is where Christianity, as manifest in the Church, is so vastly more capable of change than is Islam. The gift of the Spirit, makes all the difference in the World!
I feel the Lord has been calling me to more quiet and contemplation i have ordered Cardinal Sarah s book about Silence. Thank you for putting into understandable words what the Lord is asking me now I can make a plan.
Thank you, Dr. Ashenden. Your little talks always touch my heart. Thank you for taking the time to do them. Although --- sometimes the sound of the birds and wind or even rain in your location make me want to ask you to pause for just a moment so I can enjoy the loveliness!
Wonderful! Thank you Dr Ashenden! I needed to hear this and found it strengthening - great reminders and new wise insights. Loved,'... we get left with only the container and not the contained.... deeply, deeply unattractive.... He dances with us in perfect time... in this great dance...Your Will be done... Your wisdom, Your grace, Your way.'
Sometimes the Lord is calling us to really listen . But I turned on the subtitles really helped. It's a bit like form and matter . Quietly speaking about the stillness the Holy Spirit wants us to have. God bless
IF YOU WANT TO HEAR GOD JESUS READ YOUR BIBLE IN PRAYER THATS WHERE HE SPEAKS TO US ALL WHO BELIEVE IN HIM THE HOLY SPIRIT GUIDES US IN OUR WALK WITH HIM
Thank you.I know you were an Anglican clergyman. Now you are Catholic, would you think of becoming a Catholic priest…we need more so urgently? My own parish priest (also a convert who was a vicar) from today has to take six months rest to recover from myalgia, so we will be without one. We will be supplied with one Mass on Sundays, and one on Thursdays only. There is no other parish near for the elderly and disbled. We are in the Portsmouth diocese. Pray for us. +
I hear you on the need for more priests. But I’m glad he isn’t a priest; consider that he isn’t hamstrung by having to answer to a bishop and can contribute a charitable but candid critique of the current pontificate and the ways that the Church is being corrupted by the ills of secular culture.
Thank you for this presentation and your inclusion of grace and works. Works are important for both Catholics and Protestants. For Catholics they contribute to our salvation, for Protestants they are a consequence of our salvation. If they contribute to our salvation then we would have cause to boast.
You mean works are "side-effect" / results attesting to faith. There is only one Jesus. Does not matter if a person is Protestant or Catholic, there is only one Jesus, only one Gospel. Interpretations thereof can be correct or askew. The problem with "works" in itself, is that works can be faked, fake machinations not the result of faith. Satan pretended concern for Jesus while Jesus was fasting 40 days, suggesting a way to get food. "Works" in and of themselves, which are not results from faith, can be an opportunity to bolster one's self-righteous pride (which is actually sin) or a means to earn favour of humans *_instead of_* being onside with God. This is so for everyone, regardless if Protestant or Catholic. Hence Matthew 7; 21- 23
Although I don't believe we should pray to the Holy Spirit, I chose the hymn "Come Down, O Love Divine" yesterday. We can't be consistent all the time!
@@kelkabot Jesus said "When you pray, say our Father..." In the New Testament there are some rare references to praying to the Son, which seems to imply that that is OK occasionally, but that is not the usual thing. The Holy Spirit points us to the Father and the Son, not to himself.
"I will send you another paraclete" - Jesus is the first, the Holy Spirit the second. Paraclete it turns out means "one who accompanies one on the road."
I'd agree that is so, but also from what I've learned, and it makes sense, the Holy Spirit is dynamic, it come and go freely, is often described (close but not totally exact) like the wind, and is more likely to be with you when you don't shield or crowd Him out by being hard-hearted or grudging unforgiveness or busy with some degree of idolatry or spiritual self-reliance.
Unless one realises that there's an unclean Spirit inherited from his parents during their sinful activities, one can't receive the Holy Spirit into his physical body by the removal of his Parents Spirit from his physical body. Receiving the Holy Spirit into the physical body isn't just a cake walk, if anyone receives the Holy Spirit by the removal of his Parent's Spirit from his physical body then he would eventually become a witness of GOD/JESUS, become a Temple of God, or become like JESUS and thereafter it's impossible even for a bullets to destroy him, such a profound reality is what receiving the Holy Spirit is all about. By receive the Holy Spirit one can fulfil Matthew 16:28 claiming to exist before 2000 years, b/c once the Holy Spirit arrived into his physical body then eventually the age of the Holy Spirit is apply to him, the age of the Holy Spirit is as of now 1990 years, since the day of Pentecost and up until now is 1990 which is apply to him who receive the Holy Spirit by the removal of his Parent's Spirit from his physical body, therefore he can claim to exist like JESUS did in John 8:58, this is again provable b/c the Holy Spirit indwelled physical body is the Temple of God which can't be destroyed even by bullets as JESUS did in John 2:19, and scriptures also affirmed it. So, Preachers throughout the ages claims that they received the Holy Spirit but unable to claim like JESUS did, challenge like JESUS did, and that proves they didn't receive the Holy Spirit but remain believers, living a morally good life, but these are nothing to do with God of the Holy Bible b/c even among the pagan religion there are many living a morally good life believing their respective gods.
"Unless one realises that there's an unclean Spirit inherited from his parents during their sinful activities, one can't receive the Holy Spirit into his physical body by the removal of his Parents Spirit from his physical bod" Do you mean one can't receive the Holy Spirit BEFORE the removal of this ancestral spirit, but then afterwards it is possible? And do you have experience of this?
An extraordinarily rare mistake -- the Spirit is precisely different in personality to Jesus and to the Father ; the Spirit is distinct in Personhood to the other two Persons in the Trinity. The Spirit is sent by Jesus from the Father. Excellent sermon though !!
Yes and l would never presume l could "acquire" the Holy Spirit. Astonishing consumer culture terminology. Jesus could be seen the "human face" of the Godhead from our limited point of view. Jesus incarnating is just one infinitesimal part of God's kindness and solicitude for us largely clueless ingrates. Coming down to our level. The very idea of God the Father and the Holy Ghost should fill us with awe and amazement, and an understanding that in fact we don't even begin to understand the infinite, with our finite minds.
Sometimes it helps to change browser. The volume is really quite loud. It’s ‘interesting’ though, that some computers allow it to be heard and others don’t.
@@DrGAshenden You might want to increase the recording volume. It is quite quiet, but it can be heard if the volume is turned up. On some systems there can be a volume for each application as well as the overall volume control.
We are not all ready to face the perfection of God when we die, so we need some cleansing, and purgatory is merely a state of being purified by God to make us ready..it is indeed a merciful thing.. very few are perfect enough to enterheaven immediately.
@@Mutasis_Mutandis The original language was Greek and there are many translations. I look on it like this. It is as if you are having a cleansing shower and putting on your best clothes to meet an important person. Like you would at your wedding. +
Thank you so much. It is work and grace. The problem is we appear to live in a culture where the work aspect has gone missing. We don't want to do any work or take any 'charge' of our inner state and as you say, "clean the inside of the cup". We want quick fix, dopamine hits, and the only 'spirituality' is new age superficialities.
@@wendyfield7708. With great respect, Jesus never mentioned having priests in the Church. The New Testament tells us to “confess our sins to one another” …. And additionally that we as the Church are “a kingdom of priests / a royal priesthood”. Having someone to confess to is fine as it is helpful and a humbling experience. But God the Father is perfectly capable of hearing our confession and will forgive us our sins. See 1 John 1v9.
Sorry, this is tosh. You are infilled with the Holy Spirit the moment you believe that Jesus died for our sins. The Holy Spirit then seals you until the day of redemption.
I think that getting the Holy Spirit is not automatic but only comes by grace (from God). The first baptism is the baptism of water, and that is the baptism of repentance. Belief would be the first step, then a decision to repent. Baptism is then the outward ritual that symbolizes that repentance. Only later on would one get the baptism of spirit.
@@alan-muscat Acts 19:3 describes these people who had the baptism of John. That was the baptism of water. And it is clear from what this says, that it is different from the baptism of Spirit. I would suggest not just believing me, but take a look at the sequence of events described in the gospels - in case I am wrong. But I think this is correct. For example (I have not checked this yet) take a look at the baptism of Jesus - even he had to be baptised (with the water). Was he also baptised with the Holy Spirit at some point? I think these are points worth considering at least.
@@alan-muscat Okay, I just checked and in Matthew 3:16 it seems that the Holy Spirit was seen by Jesus at the time of his baptism. However, could it be different for the rest of us? Has anyone in modern times similarly seen the Holy Spirit AT THE TIME of their baptism? Did they feel anything? How do they know they have the Holy Spirit? It would be quite an important thing to know. Could it be that Jesus received the Holy Spirit which then ENABLED him to baptise others in the Holy Spirit, but that it was still separate? Or could it be that it just happens differently for others who were not Jesus? Or we just have to have faith that the spirit has been received even if we don't see or feel anything?
I am not catholic, but I love Jesus and this is a lovely description of the Holy Spirit. I’ve only found your channel today and I very much enjoy listening to you, you have a very gentle way about you and I think you make a lot of good points.
Thank you for the sweet inspiring words, dear Dr. Gavin Ashenden. You are truly blessed by God. I was listening to you and my heart was ☺
Gratia supponit et perfecit naturam.
Thank you Dr Ashenden...I will make this lent a time for pursuing the Holy Spirit....I am so glad u did not become a priest...our priests have to keep their sermons v short now here in Ireland...nnew instructions....and they seem to be afraid to speak up for the truth of Christ...Anne
I wish more clergy could preach this well. I'm usually allergic to sermons, but you make me want to go on listening!
Our priests give such good homilies that I take notes in a special blue book.
Mrs Darley
SSPX chapel choir
Manchester UK
Thank you so much for sharing your wise understanding of the Holy Spirit. May God bless you, as you have blessed us with your words.
I hear you loud and clear Dr. Gavin. You are a blessing to so many people around the world as the Holy Spirit fully indwells in you. Thanks be to God Amen 🙏🏻 This message brought me to open up to Romans 12:1-21. Glory to you Lord Christ ❤
I always imagine when I am praying to the Holy Spirit that He is Living Water. In dreams sometimes I dream of water that is so pure it is almost crystalline as if it has more substance than mere water. In these dreams the water feels divine. I do adore the Holy Spirit because of the mystery and culmination of Christ's love. Always love your sermons. So wise and you do not compromise the Truth. So needed in these times.
Hello Gavin, thanks for your inspiring talk which lifted my spirits as today has been difficult. Christ's Peace always.
Thanks your Lordship! This is the most beautiful explanation i ever heard about the Holy Spirit.
You are an excellent preacher and we Catholics are fortunate that you joined us.
A Catholic from Sri Lanka
The greatest literary work on the Holy Spirit (outside of our scriptures) is Yves Congar's, 'I BELIEVE IN THE HOLY SPIRIT'. My copy is peppered with 'high-lit' sections, of which an example is, "The Spirit thus furthers the cause of the gospel. He encourages great initiatives to renew the Church, missions, the emergence of new religious orders, great works of the mind and heart. He inspires necessary reforms and prevents them from becoming merely external arrangements, so that they are able to lead to a new life according to the spirit of Jesus". (p57, of Volume 2; in the paperback edition). THIS is where Christianity, as manifest in the Church, is so vastly more capable of change than is Islam. The gift of the Spirit, makes all the difference in the World!
I feel the Lord has been calling me to more quiet and contemplation i have ordered Cardinal Sarah s book about Silence. Thank you for putting into understandable words what the Lord is asking me now I can make a plan.
☀️💛A beautiful honest sharing of Truth. No compromise with this world.
Thank you, Dr. Ashenden. Your little talks always touch my heart. Thank you for taking the time to do them. Although --- sometimes the sound of the birds and wind or even rain in your location make me want to ask you to pause for just a moment so I can enjoy the loveliness!
Thanks for your kind encouragement.
Thank you so much, Gavin. I hear you loud and clear…
Thank you very much!
Beautiful! Thank you!
Please turn up you microphone volume. It's very hard to hear you. Thanks!
Gavin the sound is extremely low on this recording. I can’t hear you. Can you turn up the volume please? I hate missing what you have to say
From your heart brother Gavin, via the Holy Spirit, to mine.
Wonderful! Thank you Dr Ashenden! I needed to hear this and found it strengthening - great reminders and new wise insights. Loved,'... we get left with only the container and not the contained.... deeply, deeply unattractive.... He dances with us in perfect time... in this great dance...Your Will be done... Your wisdom, Your grace, Your way.'
@David Morrison You can pray to the Holy Spirit to ask for help in not sinning ...... Come Holy Spirit
And the Advocate brings Jesus to each place in the world at the Mass.
Couldn't hear you Gavin
Yes …it’s a pity the sound is so low .
Sometimes the Lord is calling us to really listen . But I turned on the subtitles really helped. It's a bit like form and matter . Quietly speaking about the stillness the Holy Spirit wants us to have. God bless
Santa Pazienza!
The best Catholics are ex protestants. Very broad-minded and full of grace.
Dr Taylor Marshall, yourself and Father Bailey Spridon
❤
I can hear you loud and clear!
God bless your hearing…..it’s much better than mine.
Thank you for this. The audio was low, but I restarted to the beginning, turned the volume high up, and turned on "CC" (closed captions).
Thank you ❤
IF YOU WANT TO HEAR GOD JESUS READ YOUR BIBLE IN PRAYER THATS WHERE HE SPEAKS TO US ALL WHO BELIEVE IN HIM THE HOLY SPIRIT GUIDES US IN OUR WALK WITH HIM
Absolutely ❤ Jesus is the WORD.
Thank you.I know you were an Anglican clergyman. Now you are Catholic, would you think of becoming a Catholic priest…we need more so urgently? My own parish priest (also a convert who was a vicar) from today has to take six months rest to recover from myalgia, so we will be without one. We will be supplied with one Mass on Sundays, and one on Thursdays only. There is no other parish near for the elderly and disbled. We are in the Portsmouth diocese. Pray for us. +
What about the old American priest who called the covid Jab a bio weapon.
I love him!!! He's a priest at Gosport Catholic Church.
I hear you on the need for more priests. But I’m glad he isn’t a priest; consider that he isn’t hamstrung by having to answer to a bishop and can contribute a charitable but candid critique of the current pontificate and the ways that the Church is being corrupted by the ills of secular culture.
Seek and you shall find ...
Wonderful! Thank you,Gavin.
God seems to be very fond of the number 3. Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Jesus, Mary and Joseph. Peter, James and John.
Very good, probably the best description I have heard.
Thank you for this presentation and your inclusion of grace and works. Works are important for both Catholics and Protestants. For Catholics they contribute to our salvation, for Protestants they are a consequence of our salvation. If they contribute to our salvation then we would have cause to boast.
You mean works are "side-effect" / results attesting to faith. There is only one Jesus. Does not matter if a person is Protestant or Catholic, there is only one Jesus, only one Gospel. Interpretations thereof can be correct or askew. The problem with "works" in itself, is that works can be faked, fake machinations not the result of faith. Satan pretended concern for Jesus while Jesus was fasting 40 days, suggesting a way to get food. "Works" in and of themselves, which are not results from faith, can be an opportunity to bolster one's self-righteous pride (which is actually sin) or a means to earn favour of humans *_instead of_* being onside with God. This is so for everyone, regardless if Protestant or Catholic. Hence Matthew 7; 21- 23
Although I don't believe we should pray to the Holy Spirit, I chose the hymn "Come Down, O Love Divine" yesterday. We can't be consistent all the time!
Why not? He is part of the Trinity!
Why not pray to the Holy Spirit? He is a person of God!
@@kelkabot Jesus said "When you pray, say our Father..." In the New Testament there are some rare references to praying to the Son, which seems to imply that that is OK occasionally, but that is not the usual thing. The Holy Spirit points us to the Father and the Son, not to himself.
very quiet but thank you🙏
💒🇺🇸🤔hummm......no audio problem here....Suprise,Arizona.....💒🇺🇸🙏🇬🇧💒
perhaps it's my laptop (or The Holy Ghost!)
JESUS IS GOD
How can the Holy Spirit be the same Person and not the same Person at the same time?
Ah, that question has mystified philosophers and poets for centuries.
Please turn up your volume. Your lovely videos are always barely audible.
I can't quite say that the Holy Spirit is "Jesus but more than Jesus," etc. I know what you mean, but the Persons are distinct. (Yet it is one God.)
"I will send you another paraclete" - Jesus is the first, the Holy Spirit the second. Paraclete it turns out means "one who accompanies one on the road."
WHEN YOU ARE BORN AGAIN YOU HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT IN YOU
At what moment would you say Peter was "Born Again"?
I'd agree that is so, but also from what I've learned, and it makes sense, the Holy Spirit is dynamic, it come and go freely, is often described (close but not totally exact) like the wind, and is more likely to be with you when you don't shield or crowd Him out by being hard-hearted or grudging unforgiveness or busy with some degree of idolatry or spiritual self-reliance.
Volume too low.
NO WONDER NOBODY GOES TO CONFESSION ANYMORE. DON'T NEED TO. HUH. GOOD TO KNOW.
Man proposes God disposes.
Gavin, I like it when you speak of Christian things, not so much when you make out the Catholic way to be the right way.
Unless one realises that there's an unclean Spirit inherited from his parents during their sinful activities, one can't receive the Holy Spirit into his physical body by the removal of his Parents Spirit from his physical body.
Receiving the Holy Spirit into the physical body isn't just a cake walk, if anyone receives the Holy Spirit by the removal of his Parent's Spirit from his physical body then he would eventually become a witness of GOD/JESUS, become a Temple of God, or become like JESUS and thereafter it's impossible even for a bullets to destroy him, such a profound reality is what receiving the Holy Spirit is all about.
By receive the Holy Spirit one can fulfil Matthew 16:28 claiming to exist before 2000 years, b/c once the Holy Spirit arrived into his physical body then eventually the age of the Holy Spirit is apply to him, the age of the Holy Spirit is as of now 1990 years, since the day of Pentecost and up until now is 1990 which is apply to him who receive the Holy Spirit by the removal of his Parent's Spirit from his physical body, therefore he can claim to exist like JESUS did in John 8:58, this is again provable b/c the Holy Spirit indwelled physical body is the Temple of God which can't be destroyed even by bullets as JESUS did in John 2:19, and scriptures also affirmed it.
So, Preachers throughout the ages claims that they received the Holy Spirit but unable to claim like JESUS did, challenge like JESUS did, and that proves they didn't receive the Holy Spirit but remain believers, living a morally good life, but these are nothing to do with God of the Holy Bible b/c even among the pagan religion there are many living a morally good life believing their respective gods.
"Unless one realises that there's an unclean Spirit inherited from his parents during their sinful activities, one can't receive the Holy Spirit into his physical body by the removal of his Parents Spirit from his physical bod"
Do you mean one can't receive the Holy Spirit BEFORE the removal of this ancestral spirit, but then afterwards it is possible? And do you have experience of this?
An extraordinarily rare mistake -- the Spirit is precisely different in personality to Jesus and to the Father ; the Spirit is distinct in Personhood to the other two Persons in the Trinity.
The Spirit is sent by Jesus from the Father. Excellent sermon though !!
Yes and l would never presume l could "acquire" the Holy Spirit. Astonishing consumer culture terminology.
Jesus could be seen the "human face" of the Godhead from our limited point of view. Jesus incarnating is just one infinitesimal part of God's kindness and solicitude for us largely clueless ingrates. Coming down to our level.
The very idea of God the Father and the Holy Ghost should fill us with awe and amazement, and an understanding that in fact we don't even begin to understand the infinite, with our finite minds.
I agree with you. It is the first time that I have been at odds with something Dr Ashenden has said.
ohhh so we don't need to go to confession. i was taught that the Sacrament was necessary with the priest. i guess i was lied to. so that sucks.
Barely audible.
I'm having the same issue. My laptop volume is at 100, youtube volume all the way up, headphones on and I can barely hear it.
Sometimes it helps to change browser. The volume is really quite loud. It’s ‘interesting’ though, that some computers allow it to be heard and others don’t.
@@DrGAshenden Thank you Dr. Ashenden. I will watch again tomorrow, on the TV.
@@DrGAshenden You might want to increase the recording volume. It is quite quiet, but it can be heard if the volume is turned up. On some systems there can be a volume for each application as well as the overall volume control.
THERE IS NO PURGATORY ONLY HEAVEN AND HELL
We are not all ready to face the perfection of God when we die, so we need some cleansing, and purgatory is merely a state of being purified by God to make us ready..it is indeed a merciful thing.. very few are perfect enough to enterheaven immediately.
Scripture does not refer anywhere to “purgatory.” It is a tradition of men.
How does 1Cor3v13 speak to you?
@@Mutasis_Mutandis I wonder how 1cor3v13 speaks to you?
@@Mutasis_Mutandis The original language was Greek and there are many translations. I look on it like this. It is as if you are having a cleansing shower and putting on your best clothes to meet an important person. Like you would at your wedding. +
Thank you so much. It is work and grace. The problem is we appear to live in a culture where the work aspect has gone missing. We don't want to do any work or take any 'charge' of our inner state and as you say, "clean the inside of the cup". We want quick fix, dopamine hits, and the only 'spirituality' is new age superficialities.
You speak very quietly, difficult to hear
I CONFESS MY SINS TO THE FATHER NOT A MAN
It is Jesus’ command that His priests hear sins and absolve them!
@@wendyfield7708. With great respect, Jesus never mentioned having priests in the Church. The New Testament tells us to “confess our sins to one another” …. And additionally that we as the Church are “a kingdom of priests / a royal priesthood”. Having someone to confess to is fine as it is helpful and a humbling experience. But God the Father is perfectly capable of hearing our confession and will forgive us our sins. See 1 John 1v9.
Sorry, this is tosh.
You are infilled with the Holy Spirit the moment you believe that Jesus died for our sins. The Holy Spirit then seals you until the day of redemption.
How do you explain Acts 19:2 ?
I think that getting the Holy Spirit is not automatic but only comes by grace (from God). The first baptism is the baptism of water, and that is the baptism of repentance. Belief would be the first step, then a decision to repent. Baptism is then the outward ritual that symbolizes that repentance. Only later on would one get the baptism of spirit.
@@worldofenigma1 this begs even more questions. Perhaps you would like to elaborate with either scriptural support or church teaching, or both.
@@alan-muscat Acts 19:3 describes these people who had the baptism of John. That was the baptism of water. And it is clear from what this says, that it is different from the baptism of Spirit. I would suggest not just believing me, but take a look at the sequence of events described in the gospels - in case I am wrong. But I think this is correct. For example (I have not checked this yet) take a look at the baptism of Jesus - even he had to be baptised (with the water). Was he also baptised with the Holy Spirit at some point? I think these are points worth considering at least.
@@alan-muscat Okay, I just checked and in Matthew 3:16 it seems that the Holy Spirit was seen by Jesus at the time of his baptism. However, could it be different for the rest of us? Has anyone in modern times similarly seen the Holy Spirit AT THE TIME of their baptism? Did they feel anything? How do they know they have the Holy Spirit? It would be quite an important thing to know.
Could it be that Jesus received the Holy Spirit which then ENABLED him to baptise others in the Holy Spirit, but that it was still separate? Or could it be that it just happens differently for others who were not Jesus? Or we just have to have faith that the spirit has been received even if we don't see or feel anything?
are you SURE. sounds protty to me. better check that.
THAT'S NOT CATHOLIC