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As a pip player myself bh butterfly tackiness c, fh joola octopus, we love a serve with backspin. 1. a short backspin serve, i can flip the ball everywhere, a long backspin serve, i can smash or no spin or push the ball because i use the backspin of my opponent.
Seeing the comments of many, they expect one answer to all pips players. While this video is an excellent guide to cash in the weaknesses of long pips, one needs to try various approaches to handle the variety of long pips players that exist. Also once needs to appreciate the fact that just like the different levels of the smooth rubber players, long pips players also come with different skill levels. The best way is to not avoid playing them, but to play them as much as possible to better handle them in tournament play
The best thing to do to find the right feeling for your forehand when you are training is to take a little bit of pace off the ball and concentrate on the feel of the shot and generating spin. You can still drive the ball forward but perhaps try playing at 80% pace and once you are consistently getting the ball on at that pace then try and step it up a notch.
For me counter hitting without much topspin works great. When the pips player chops it, the ball has very little backspin. So I can keep on counter hitting pretty easy. Then I'll throw in a surprise push here and there, and it usually sets up an opportunity to get in with a strong point winning drive. If the pips player can attack pushes you only have to be careful with pushing. Be unpredictable with it. And keep it fast and deep, as this will give the pips player the most trouble.
I'm not that good on playing vs pimples, but getting better - I usually reckon they pretty much reverse the direction of the spin I give them and it comes back just as light or heavy, so as others have said, give a light backspin or light topspin ball and you should be able to attack the next one - but if that comes back, make sure you push the next one !
fast and long serves with no spin or only lateral spin helps having a good start against long pips. As less as possible spin when you push would usually preserve you from heavy long pips attacks. If you're a good chopper with tackiness C or similar, you can also put long pips in trouble while chopping
I just alternate push and loop. I push the back spin balls and they come back as top spin and I try to loop kill these balls. It is difficult for the LP 0X player to hit balls. They can push through a back spin ball and use the incoming back spin as their top spin so after a push to the LP, expect the ball to come back a little faster. It is important to know if your opponent can twiddle. That adds another level of complexity because the LP player can crush any weak balls you hit to his back hand by twiddling. This forces you to take more chances by keeping the ball lower.
I watched this video and won a match 3-1 to a guy I had lost three times previously. Serve deep to the pips and then attack it. Err, "kill the game". If returned then it will have backspin, so loop it.
Make the rally short, spin the next one. Try getting control of the game, never mind losing the first game, playing against pip players is having patience, wear them out.
or play whats good for the goose is good for t he gander. play with inverted on one side and short pips on the other and twiddle like they do. The long pips player does not know if the attack is coming with or without spin . With the advent of grippy pips out you can use practically the same strokes from short pips as you can with inverted.
Now i reveal how to play against pip, anti, players. You serve against the pip rubber with a long fast at the back of the table with a push serve or topspin. if he blocks or gives backspin stroke you know that is backspin and that you are used to, spin this ball. if he brings back the ball high. smash the ball, you're hitting the effect out of the ball, is the ball low push the ball.
Start with a no spin fast serve to there pips because the pips player needs spin to use against you, then there return will always be week and probably long for you to attack. But make sure you kill the game there or your in for the long run.
not that easy. pips player once sees your fast-no-spin serve he would return your server with a top spin back hand or a smash, using his non-pip side of the paddle
So you pretty much helped me with my backhand. Thanks about it. But now I have another question. Whenever I try to play agressive with my forehand the ball most of the time go out of the table. Not like to the air, but a little bit after the end of the table. Like 5-10 sm. But it happens perfectly sometimes. Can you please tell me an easier way to find my sweet spot nad not do the same mistake again. Thanks in advance. Btw great video keep it going :) Best wishes, Nikola
I find keeping the ball low when pushing helps. I normally use too much side spin. Playing less spin is sometimes good against long or short pimple rubbers. Medium spin high loops can be good unless the player switches to smooth rubber.
Hi Coach you've really helped me with my forehands and backhands. I have been interested in table tennis but have got no one to practice with. Is practice still effective if I put the table up and practice by myself against the other side of the table tennis table wall?
Dmitri Koudrin as if choppers aren't already back waiting for that loop, It's like I topspin the ball, you lose....uh no....you loop I begin to abuse you.......
@@dalemiller2160 Im a Chopper and I have to say if you arent able to kill that no spin ball your attacks are weak or the chopper is just way out of your League
@@arminnurkovic8345 certainly not, why do you think Ma Te or Joo can defend 10 times against Fan zhendong or Ma Long ? They might end up making mistakes but they can get at least a few back
+dennis fook Well duh! I play Ox Long Pips on backhand and the key is to let your opponent make a mistake. of course, this technique applies to basic pips players. As I tend to work on my weakness, opponent giving under spin on my back hand, there's a lot of alternative things I do. Some times, I do side spin, bounce it short forcing him to push it back and I get in position to use forehand loop. Or simply flip my paddle and try looping with inverted on my backhand. I am close to 1900 U.S rating. Goal is to get to 2000+ with consistency and improvise on my backhand attacks.
Faraz Kasmani except that only works to high intermediate play, all long pip players at the world level are choppers who rarely if ever rely on thier opponent's mistake.
In today's table tennis, you don't need advice on how to beat a chopper... choppers these days are at a huge disadvantage almost all equipment favors the offensive players. Ball composition, Ball size, Very Fast Rubbers and even banning of friction less pimps.
the table is too low even for 160cm guys if he doens't bent his knees. In tennis, the "table"" is the ground that's why coaches always ask their players to stay low! learn some basic lessons first before blaming the table!
So when are you going to publish a video stating How to beat an attacking player with long pips? Nothing for defensive players. Come on, you can do better than that!
since 1978 started as a 2 wing looper. The truth is there is no short cut. long pips gives a player control so that opponents wanting to do 3rd and 5th ball attacks are going to have problems. The way to beat long pips? Just like anyother style, out rally them!
table tennis is in this times is stupid as hell, ppl like 185-200 cm are no match for guys like 170 cm, what da fuck is this, im 185 and i stay that table is too fucking low, should be higher
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As a pip player myself bh butterfly tackiness c, fh joola octopus, we love a serve with backspin. 1. a short backspin serve, i can flip the ball everywhere, a long backspin serve, i can smash or no spin or push the ball because i use the backspin of my opponent.
Seeing the comments of many, they expect one answer to all pips players. While this video is an excellent guide to cash in the weaknesses of long pips, one needs to try various approaches to handle the variety of long pips players that exist. Also once needs to appreciate the fact that just like the different levels of the smooth rubber players, long pips players also come with different skill levels. The best way is to not avoid playing them, but to play them as much as possible to better handle them in tournament play
The best thing to do to find the right feeling for your forehand when you are training is to take a little bit of pace off the ball and concentrate on the feel of the shot and generating spin. You can still drive the ball forward but perhaps try playing at 80% pace and once you are consistently getting the ball on at that pace then try and step it up a notch.
For me counter hitting without much topspin works great. When the pips player chops it, the ball has very little backspin. So I can keep on counter hitting pretty easy. Then I'll throw in a surprise push here and there, and it usually sets up an opportunity to get in with a strong point winning drive. If the pips player can attack pushes you only have to be careful with pushing. Be unpredictable with it. And keep it fast and deep, as this will give the pips player the most trouble.
Thank you for the video and also your responses to our questions.
I'm not that good on playing vs pimples, but getting better - I usually reckon they pretty much reverse the direction of the spin I give them and it comes back just as light or heavy, so as others have said, give a light backspin or light topspin ball and you should be able to attack the next one - but if that comes back, make sure you push the next one !
fast and long serves with no spin or only lateral spin helps having a good start against long pips. As less as possible spin when you push would usually preserve you from heavy long pips attacks.
If you're a good chopper with tackiness C or similar, you can also put long pips in trouble while chopping
Its easy to attack backspin ball with pimples by pushing it horizontally, ball is fast and returning rotation is tricky- like topspin.
Thanks Shuvas we've got more on the way soon! :D
Very good video and technical explanation... thanks!
I just alternate push and loop. I push the back spin balls and they come back as top spin and I try to loop kill these balls. It is difficult for the LP 0X player to hit balls. They can push through a back spin ball and use the incoming back spin as their top spin so after a push to the LP, expect the ball to come back a little faster. It is important to know if your opponent can twiddle. That adds another level of complexity because the LP player can crush any weak balls you hit to his back hand by twiddling. This forces you to take more chances by keeping the ball lower.
it really helped me a lot .thank u so much
Thanks a lot. Will try that for few days and see how's it working :)
Best wishes,
Nikola
Very good and useful! Thank you
I watched this video and won a match 3-1 to a guy I had lost three times previously. Serve deep to the pips and then attack it. Err, "kill the game". If returned then it will have backspin, so loop it.
Make the rally short, spin the next one. Try getting control of the game, never mind losing the first game, playing against pip players is having patience, wear them out.
depends on long pips, Feint Long 3 and Curl p-4 produce heavy backspin against no spin serves.
anybody knows what shirt he is wearing? i mean the black blue white one... I would appreciate if I get a link!
or play whats good for the goose is good for t he gander. play with inverted on one side and short pips on the other and twiddle like they do. The long pips player does not know if the attack is coming with or without spin . With the advent of grippy pips out you can use practically the same strokes from short pips as you can with inverted.
Now i reveal how to play against pip, anti, players.
You serve against the pip rubber with a long fast at the back of the table with a push serve or topspin. if he blocks or gives backspin stroke you know that is backspin and that you are used to, spin this ball. if he brings back the ball high. smash the ball, you're hitting the effect out of the ball, is the ball low push the ball.
It 's very helpful.Now i will start to serve bottom,when my opponent push back i'll kill the game ! :D thanks coach
Start with a no spin fast serve to there pips because the pips player needs spin to use against you, then there return will always be week and probably long for you to attack. But make sure you kill the game there or your in for the long run.
not that easy. pips player once sees your fast-no-spin serve he would return your server with a top spin back hand or a smash, using his non-pip side of the paddle
True, so you need to be sneaky with your service make them be indecisive of what side they need to use to return with
Try short topspin then
only works against some types of long pips, some like Feint Long 3 will easily put heavy backspin on a no spin serve
I play Curl P4 which is a clone of FL3.. and yes I can push a no-spin serve with ease and it lands as a good underspin.
Coach Li currently uses a Palio KA Offensive blade with Butterfly Sriver rubber.
Its been a long time but still an awesome video
is it possible that Coach Li can do a video on how to be more effective with Long Pimples , especially when we play versus aggressive players ? ty
Any tips on how to watch the ball.... I seem to play without looking at the ball, hit some great shots miss many more..
Thanks Sharky Tao appreciates the comments.
when attacking having a flatter and higher spin loop that look similar can be effective against defenders.
Thanks for Uploading! :)
Finally a new video
So you pretty much helped me with my backhand. Thanks about it. But now I have another question. Whenever I try to play agressive with my forehand the ball most of the time go out of the table. Not like to the air, but a little bit after the end of the table. Like 5-10 sm. But it happens perfectly sometimes. Can you please tell me an easier way to find my sweet spot nad not do the same mistake again. Thanks in advance. Btw great video keep it going :)
Best wishes,
Nikola
I find keeping the ball low when pushing helps. I normally use too much side spin. Playing less spin is sometimes good against long or short pimple rubbers. Medium spin high loops can be good unless the player switches to smooth rubber.
Doesn't it really also come down to what kind of long pips they are using? Feint and Curl both have rubbers that handle no spin very well.
What blade and rubbers is coach li using?
Verrrrrrrryyyyyy Useful :)
not a professional but you must wait for the ball to come to your wrist level....that always workd for me....will work for u too...:)
Kill the game!!
More videos !!
Great advice! thank you coach Li :)
I am quite fucking pissed off when i play pips
KILL THE GAME!
Hi Coach you've really helped me with my forehands and backhands. I have been interested in table tennis but have got no one to practice with. Is practice still effective if I put the table up and practice by myself against the other side of the table tennis table wall?
The title needs changing to 'Pimps' not 'Pips' ;) But great video!
When he pushes it back, or backspin serves, i will flat hit with my long pimps! Almost unreturnable ball. Not as easy as he makes out
Lol, "kill the game", easier said than done mate.
Dmitri Koudrin as if choppers aren't already back waiting for that loop, It's like I topspin the ball, you lose....uh no....you loop I begin to abuse you.......
@@dalemiller2160 Im a Chopper and I have to say if you arent able to kill that no spin ball your attacks are weak or the chopper is just way out of your League
@@arminnurkovic8345 certainly not, why do you think Ma Te or Joo can defend 10 times against Fan zhendong or Ma Long ? They might end up making mistakes but they can get at least a few back
No spin,kill the game. No spin, kill the game ETC... Haha
How to attack topspin in backhand loop
invert pips : topspin or spin.
pips : block.
invert pips : smash.
It's useful
Gotta beat dem Pimps bro!
"Then your game is gonna stronger stronger stronger"
4 Pips players disliked this.
some players with pips are so strong it is like playing against a wall , kill game does not work,,,the ball keeps coming back with more effect,spin
+dennis fook Well duh! I play Ox Long Pips on backhand and the key is to let your opponent make a mistake. of course, this technique applies to basic pips players. As I tend to work on my weakness, opponent giving under spin on my back hand, there's a lot of alternative things I do. Some times, I do side spin, bounce it short forcing him to push it back and I get in position to use forehand loop. Or simply flip my paddle and try looping with inverted on my backhand. I am close to 1900 U.S rating. Goal is to get to 2000+ with consistency and improvise on my backhand attacks.
Faraz Kasmani except that only works to high intermediate play, all long pip players at the world level are choppers who rarely if ever rely on thier opponent's mistake.
Still not very satisfactory but maybe the best among the ones I saw on this topic.
Спасибо!
thank you for teaching me how to beat the long pimps
i now play long pimps
Your backhand rubber sounds very hard
4:39 Dat topspin O.O
不错
Both sides ?
horrible to understand, but is good info.
Help me, please subtitle in indonesian. Thanks you
the assistant perfectly demonstrate everything without words he said is wrong.
In today's table tennis, you don't need advice on how to beat a chopper... choppers these days are at a huge disadvantage almost all equipment favors the offensive players. Ball composition, Ball size, Very Fast Rubbers and even banning of friction less pimps.
But I think, "Choppers" has great potential to become the dominant position in the future.
There are alot of beginning and intermediate level players who have little experience against long pips and struggle. They definitely need advice.
I think Ma Te from China would disagree...
Tell it to Ruwen Filus world #18
how to defend shots
the table is too low even for 160cm guys if he doens't bent his knees. In tennis, the "table"" is the ground that's why coaches always ask their players to stay low! learn some basic lessons first before blaming the table!
nehovor mi že aj ty hraš pingpong :)
JUST LIKE THIS---NO JUST LIKE THES--😂😂😧😧
A good pips player is not gonna push with the pips, or should not
But game is still alive!?
iam playing that game too that man is chopper
So when are you going to publish a video stating How to beat an attacking player with long pips? Nothing for defensive players. Come on, you can do better than that!
Jajajaja
我相信这个教练的水平不算特别差，当然也好不到哪里去，不过这个表达能力真的堪忧。我本来很清楚长胶是什么玩意，但一听这个讲座整个人却又蒙圈了。
pips should be out, illegal.
silentscribes whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawhaaaaaaaaa
Dale Miller How long have you been using pips?
since 1978 started as a 2 wing looper. The truth is there is no short cut. long pips gives a player control so that opponents wanting to do 3rd and 5th ball attacks are going to have problems. The way to beat long pips? Just like anyother style, out rally them!
Short pips, yes. They are awful. But long pips are nice to play with and to play against.
n'importe quoi^^
table tennis is in this times is stupid as hell, ppl like 185-200 cm are no match for guys like 170 cm, what da fuck is this, im 185 and i stay that table is too fucking low, should be higher