Hearing Protection, Loss & Damage For Musicians [A Conversation With Tom Trones Of Minuendo]

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  • Опубліковано 10 чер 2024
  • Love playing loud? So do we… But you might need to think about this too…
    Welcome to the show! Regular viewers might be a little bit confused by this. Dan and I will die on the hill defending the right of musicians (and guitar players - ha!) to be able to play loud. If there’s no loud, there’s no rock’n’roll - it’s as simple as that.
    However, nothing that’s actually worth anything in life is free (except maybe love, but that’s a whole other story). Those volume-created endorphins that make live music such a blissful experience have a cost, and it can be your hearing. Many are the tales of musicians famous and less so, whose hearing has suffered irreparable damage as a result of exposure to extended loud noise.
    So what are we to do? What do we need to know and what are some of things we can do?
    This conversation includes one intelligent human - Tom Trones of Minuendo - and two others just about hanging in there, discussing all of the above without hubris or shock factor. Consider it a springboard - if you haven’t already jumped - to better awareness of the issues surrounding noise and volume. What we all do after that is, inevitably, up to us as individuals. Food for thought, we hope.
    Enjoy the show!
    And please visit That Pedal Shop www.thatpedalshop.com/
    • Minuendo on the web: www.minuendo.com/
    • Musician’s Union Hearing Health Scheme: musiciansunion.org.uk/members...
    Interesting bits and go-to sections
    0:00 Hello & welcome
    1:24 What are we discussing this?
    2:25 Why Tom, who is Tom?
    3:45 Why we don’t love earplugs
    5:42 What is the actual problem?
    7:35 First tinnitus experience?
    9:18 dB - sound pressure and time
    11:45 Genetic & physiological factors?
    14:00 Measurement & distance?
    16:50 Frequency and damage?
    19:00 Early signs
    20:49 The playing ‘feel’ problem
    24:50 Give yourself time
    27:15 Sensitivity and desensitisation?
    30:35 The actual physical damage
    31:31 It’s not always tinnitus
    35:45 The lies we tell ourselves
    37:00 How strong for the filters?
    38:45 Let’s make some noise
    43:55 Dan loves the loud connection
    49:45 Finger in the ear: occlusion
    51:00 Tom has a play
    54:00 Closing thoughts
    Guitars used in this show
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    • Amps used in today’s show
    Hamstead Artist 20+RT with 1 x 12 Celestion Alnico Cream Speaker
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    • Marshall 1962 BluesBreaker Combo with Celestion G12M Greenback speakers
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 334

  • @TomTrones
    @TomTrones 7 місяців тому +238

    Thanks for having me on, guys! I'm glad to be part of increasing the awareness about taking care of our most important sense! And from the many great comments on the topic from your audience, it seems they agree!

    • @ThatPedalShow
      @ThatPedalShow  7 місяців тому +10

      Thank you Tom!

    • @davidjdriver
      @davidjdriver 7 місяців тому +1

      Have you thought about hearing protection for motorcycle riders? I can't seem to find anything that can actually deal with the wind noise on my helmet. I find it quite painful at highway speeds but I know other bikers that have no problems with it but don't seem to have the hearing loss I already have from years standing next to a drummer.

    • @dustinthiessen
      @dustinthiessen 7 місяців тому

      Hey Tom! LIve sound engineer here, and longtime tinnitus sufferer... would you recommend your earplugs for mixing live audio? I need to figure out something to prolong my career at this point...

    • @jimmieoneal5013
      @jimmieoneal5013 7 місяців тому +3

      @@davidjdriver I know you were asking the guest, but I started using custom fit silicon earplugs several years when riding for the same reasons you stated. It is relatively inexpensive for the ones with no speakers, etc. and in my experience, much more comfortable than the foam plugs for long term wear on road trips.

    • @davedavem
      @davedavem 7 місяців тому +3

      I love hearing a knowledgeable person telling about a very technical subject at a level that's easy to understand and digest. This was most definitely that, thanks!

  • @LunchboxGTI
    @LunchboxGTI 7 місяців тому +8

    I got permanent Tinnitus this year from going to a show without earplugs. So happy to see this on your show! Hearing protection is THE most important thing you can discuss on your channel. Tinnitus sucks!

  • @ryanhillclimber
    @ryanhillclimber 7 місяців тому +6

    I have suffered my entire life with tinnitus and it got really bad in my mid 20s after a gun shot injury. I’ve been told over and over that there is nothing to be done. It’s lead to a very serious source of ongoing depression with me. It was really refreshing to hear about efforts in coping. Protect your ears when you can everyone! Just be smart about it. Thank you for this episode

  • @b3ndavies
    @b3ndavies 7 місяців тому +36

    Been hoping for a show on hearing protection for years! So so important. We're nothing without our hearing. Thanks lads!

  • @Gorphoz
    @Gorphoz 7 місяців тому +10

    This is the TPS content I live for

  • @bigsby1
    @bigsby1 7 місяців тому +9

    I'm an audiologist and a guitar player, and I thought this was great. Kudos to Tom for providing a lot of important, accurate information. I look forward to trying out the Minuendo plugs. Good job guys.

  • @colaboytje
    @colaboytje 7 місяців тому +5

    Yes, yes, yes.
    Protect your hearing in any way possible. I've lost half of the audible frequencies due to damage in my left ear.
    You don't what you've got 'till it's gone!

  • @user-oy7gz5bf2h
    @user-oy7gz5bf2h 7 місяців тому +2

    Oh man. I'm commenting before watching. I just sat in front of my computer coming back from a gig, ears ringing. Unexpected bulls eye.

  • @gayvalds
    @gayvalds 7 місяців тому +11

    Growing up I played drums as well as guitar, and never used proper ear protection.....I got to college and formed my first band, and again, never used ear protection......I started to notice some early signs of tinnitus, and it scared me. At 22, I made an appointment with an audiologist to get a hearing test and to bring up my concerns as a musician. The results told me I had "remarkable hearing for my age demographic", even though I suffered from the early stages of tinnitus. They suggested getting a mold of my ear done for professional musician's earplug in order to prevent any future hearing loss. I happily obliged, and I (now 24) have to say.....One of the best investments I've made as a musician/guitarist!!!! Not only do I use them when playing "at volume" or during rehearsals, but they've also become an essential for any concerts/live shows I go to, especially since I like to be right in front of the guitar amps!!!
    So happy you're bringing this topic up, as it affects us all!!!
    Edit: happy to hear DOOM METAL being mentioned! Would absolutely love to see y'all go through some potential avenues for Doom tones!!!!!

  • @mrblablablabla
    @mrblablablabla 7 місяців тому +8

    At first, tinnitus made me anxious, because it just seemed to get worse and it was like I didn’t have any control over it. Then I happened to find out that some cases are influenced by muscle tension around the jaw. I tried stretching and massaging my jaw and found out I was lucky enough for it to help. It’s really nice to have the feeling I’m somewhat in control of it. The tinnitus hasn’t really bothered me for a while now. There’s also specialised physiotherapists on this subject who can help.
    Too bad most doctors don’t know about this.
    (Also, stress and sleep patterns can be of important influence)

  • @petergoddard1960
    @petergoddard1960 7 місяців тому +5

    June 1977, Motorhead supporting Hawkwind, when live music was properly loud. 20 feet back from the stage, dead centre I swear it was like being in the beam of a jet engine. You felt it as much as heard it. There was an actual 'heat' to the sound. One mate climbed up into one of the PA bass bins and was unconcious by the end. True.
    Happy days!

  • @RyanRenteria
    @RyanRenteria 7 місяців тому +2

    most important episode you've ever done!

  • @Mattwillo
    @Mattwillo 7 місяців тому +3

    As a partially deaf player myself full deafness left sided partially on the right, ( progressed over time due to a condition) this is a super important topic that’s close to my heart, musicians need to look after there ears, I’m envious of the players that don’t care! Big love on bringing up the topic!

  • @JiminTennessee
    @JiminTennessee 7 місяців тому +3

    The concert that began my ruin, was the summer of 1988 when GNR (which I was 3rd row in front of Slash) opened for Aerosmith. I had to switch seats with a friend (25 rows back) so I could stay for the rest of the show. I never got better, just worse. Too many nights in my own band after that, combined with countless hours of bad ear "management" has resulted in a constant ringing. Like crickets at night. Keeping my back and neck muscles loose, staying emotionally stable, and using ear blocking equipment when running chain saws, lawnmowers, and weed eaters is really key to subduing this. Playing live is over and so are most live shows.

  • @scottminnich9283
    @scottminnich9283 7 місяців тому +2

    Great presentation on an important topic and really appreciate you guys bringing Tom in as a guest. Mick I have to say you are an excellent guitar player but that was the most guarded and self conscious I’ve ever heard you when playing at volume for Tom! I found it amusing, maybe not quite as inspired as your playing usually is and maybe no coincidence. I remember when I was 17 I was a new guitar player and invited to a rehearsal by a drummer for a metal band that worked in a music store in town. It was a very small room and that band must’ve been 120db and I was right next to the cymbals and PA. By the time I left I had not just a ringing but this whooshing sound in my ears and it kind of scared the crap out of me. Even as a self perceived invincible 17 year old. Fully recovered and I’m grateful for that experience in that respect. Years later as a gigging musician playing in two rock bands rehearsing 2-4 nights a week and gigging 3-4 nights a month for ten years I started wearing ear plugs more and more often until it was habitual and I just got so used to it that it changed the norm for me. I became so used to it that if I forgot my earplugs that became uncomfortable not just volume but higher frequencies that ear plugs seemed to cut out. So for whatever it’s worth that may be some encouragement for anyone starting to use earplugs. Give yourself some time to get used to them, weeks even. Don’t just toss them after ten minutes, if you’re patient with yourself you might find you actually PREFER the sound with them in. And we’re all musicians here, our hearing is absolutely vital, gotta take care of it. Cheers guys and thanks for all you do, love the channel I’m a long time subscriber!

  • @bobbler42
    @bobbler42 7 місяців тому +4

    On the dangly neck stuff: the point at which i switched to moulded earplugs was when i dropped one of the standard ones at a gig. Bugger that, i thought, and went rummaging amongst the dropped pint goasses. I eventually found it, i thought, and stuck it back in the key ring cannister, thinking i’d clean it when i got home. When i did, i found 3 plugs in the cannisrer. Either i’d picked up someone else’s, or they were breeding in there.
    The moulded ones are on a string with an alligator clip. I have not lost them yet.

  • @marknugent5406
    @marknugent5406 7 місяців тому +3

    Thanks Dan & Mick for covering a topic that for some reason never gets enough exposure. Even better getting a very knowledgeable guest to explain it. Keep up the good work guys love all your vids.

  • @bdunn315
    @bdunn315 7 місяців тому +3

    Ironically, Mick has a Play Loud T-shirt on. 😂
    Very important topic guys! Thank you.

    • @ThatPedalShow
      @ThatPedalShow  7 місяців тому +1

      Nothing ironic about it. Play loud, and never any other way! (Unless you're at home and are not plugged in).

    • @bdunn315
      @bdunn315 7 місяців тому

      Totally agree! Thanks for all you guys do 🤙

  • @chrishepburn1503
    @chrishepburn1503 7 місяців тому +10

    I'm only 40 and have had tinnitus for 4 years. Have played in bands my whole life and never thought to wear ear plugs. I wish someone would have had this conversation when I was young. Cheers.

    • @reeveselectro
      @reeveselectro 7 місяців тому +1

      Look up Bruxism and TMJ disorders before assuming it's hearing damage👍✔️🙏

    • @Ottophil
      @Ottophil 7 місяців тому +5

      @@reeveselectrohe said hes been playing in bands his whole life without plugs. Thats like telling a smoker to check their home for radon after the cancer diagnosis

    • @reeveselectro
      @reeveselectro 7 місяців тому +4

      @@Ottophil ive been doing the same from age 15 ... im 57 now and have had a huge turnround in my lifelong tinnitus in the last 18 months after seeing a Dr who understood theres more to tinitus than just hearing loss.

    • @keithlogan3212
      @keithlogan3212 2 місяці тому

      ⁠@@reeveselectroHi I’ve been suffering from tinnitus the past 4 years. Can I ask how you have helped your tinnitus? Many thanks

  • @EM-fi7cx
    @EM-fi7cx 7 місяців тому +8

    If you play in a band, you will develop hearing problems. It's only a matter of time. And once the damage is done there is no reversing it. I think this is a great product for concert goers as well. I'd like to see this company get into IEMs.

  • @daviddowns16
    @daviddowns16 7 місяців тому +1

    I have a pair of 1964 audio IEM’s and when I purchased them, I went ahead and got custom molded plugs as well. I love them! I wear them at every show.

  • @gbarge4
    @gbarge4 6 місяців тому +1

    I'm a little late to the party because of traveling but boy, what a great show. Just having accurate information is so valuable. Personally, I always have to take extra care with my Magnatone and chalk it up to its headroom. My cautionary tale for others with higher headroom amps is that even with the volume on 2 on the Twilighter stereo, stepping on the Hello Sailor FreeRange with both sides carelessly on and set for another amp, the sudden charge of volume was explosive and painful. It was very sobering and the pain lasted several days. It seems to take much less stimulus to bring the ringing back and that was months ago. That's it, mates. Please be smarter than I and take care to avoid sudden volume surges.

  • @zootallures1
    @zootallures1 7 місяців тому +2

    D&M & Tom….thank you for doing this show and asking / answering just about every question I have about hearing damage and guitar playing. Well done, boys!! Much appreciated.

  • @adey_baby
    @adey_baby 7 місяців тому +2

    Great episode guys 🤫🫨

  • @Will-Young
    @Will-Young 7 місяців тому +3

    I absolutely love that you’re covering this. I don’t often comment on UA-cam but I feel I have advice that is rarely shared and can make a huge difference to a lot of people. Earplugs at all price ranges from £20 plugs to custom ACS plugs take some getting used to! The first time you try any earplugs they will feel weird and your brain will tell you it sounds bad. But PLEASE persevere. After a couple of months of regular use you will likely acclimatise, and be far better off than if you tried once and decided it wasn’t right.

  • @TheHitmann069
    @TheHitmann069 7 місяців тому +3

    Unfortunately too late for me gents. Been a gigging guitarist since the age of 12. I'm now 54 and haven't been able to play for the last 2 years due to three different but important issues with my hearing. I can no longer hear the pitch of notes correctly, I have 4 different frequencies and volumes of tinnitus and a 40db loss of hearing in my left ear and 3 different frequencies and volumes of tinnitus in my right ear with a 20db loss. Not being able to play has caused me other mental health issues. To anyone out there thinking it won't happen to you, please do something today to mitigate any potential trouble in the future. My life is truly miserable without being able to express myself in a musical way, either writing and recording, gigging or listening to it. Best wishes and thanks for sharing this very important issue. 🙏

  • @Spuzzmacher
    @Spuzzmacher 7 місяців тому +2

    I notice it most when driving in the car, i turn it up until i can hear it over the highway noise, & then pull off & park, and the next time i get in the car its a mad emergency when the music comes back on.

    • @scottminnich9283
      @scottminnich9283 7 місяців тому

      Same! When Tom was talking about your hearing being desensitized during a concert and Mick talking about how he would turn his amp up louder and louder until the one night he recorded it…I thought of this same thing, music at a reasonable volume in the car. Get out, get back in and stereo is WAY too loud! Mad dash to turn it down a cackle.

  • @dbsoko
    @dbsoko 7 місяців тому +2

    Mick wearing an appropriate t-shirt 😆

  • @GazMoz78
    @GazMoz78 7 місяців тому +1

    My tinnitus roars! Snare drums and Cymbals combined with tiny cramped pub "stages" are the culprit. Finally got pro moulded plugs in 2019. Definitely worth it.

  • @loganme
    @loganme 7 місяців тому +2

    Dan can play guitar like that AND does jiu jitsu?! Now THAT is rock. The world needs to know what belt he is.

  • @garygallagher7341
    @garygallagher7341 7 місяців тому +1

    Tom is clearly a super bright guy. What an interesting product

  • @IanOPadrick
    @IanOPadrick 7 місяців тому +1

    In the spirit of irony, I will listen to this video through my car's speakers so loud that by the time the video is done, my ears are ringing. I think it's what Tom would want.

  • @davidsummerville351
    @davidsummerville351 7 місяців тому +2

    Very important topic. Thanks 😎🤓

  • @ileutur6863
    @ileutur6863 7 місяців тому +4

    I make sure to wear plugs at 99% of the shows I go to, its a lifesaver in small clubs when all you can hear is the ringing of cymbals. I haven't been able to make them work at band practice though, my playing gets noticeably worse when I can't hear the attack of the notes from my amp.

  • @JCYoo
    @JCYoo 7 місяців тому

    This is extremely important to all of us. Thanks for shining light on this topic.

  • @tonypersson9998
    @tonypersson9998 7 місяців тому +1

    Very interesting and important. Thank you, Tom & TPS!

  • @johnpierson8398
    @johnpierson8398 7 місяців тому +2

    Thank You Tom! Your narrative was really great! This is so important for musicians to learn about. Thank you for your knowledge and perspective we guitar players should listen to.

  • @petercarparelli
    @petercarparelli 7 місяців тому +3

    This is brilliant. An important topic that more people need to pay attention to!!

  • @gatomau77
    @gatomau77 7 місяців тому

    An amazing episode!!! Thanks That Pedal Show!!!

  • @RichardPribbernow
    @RichardPribbernow 7 місяців тому +3

    Great musicians issues discussed! Love the show, learned a lot about a hobby I've had since 1979. Thank you gentlemen for the love, joy, frustrations and passion for all that gear !

  • @rogervann5547
    @rogervann5547 7 місяців тому +1

    Great T Shirt choice Mick!

  • @strings2wood
    @strings2wood 7 місяців тому +1

    Thank You for the way you dealt with this important topic in a mindful and sensible TPS. Best.

  • @Scott-nj1jt
    @Scott-nj1jt 7 місяців тому +1

    Thanks for doing this, guys.

  • @WillBrahm
    @WillBrahm 7 місяців тому +1

    Amazing episode, thank you!

  • @obhmusic
    @obhmusic 7 місяців тому +1

    Great episode! And hello from Norway :)

  • @AlbusBand
    @AlbusBand 7 місяців тому +2

    Minuendo is what I use; they’re great!!!

  • @Leo_Fender
    @Leo_Fender 5 місяців тому +1

    Dan, nice Johnny Marr jag!! Ive got the exact same model. Such a phenomenal instrument!
    Fun tip: this guitar LOVES half round strings, or even flats. Sounds so so so “toneful” through a pushed clean amp! Thank me later (I promise it won’t disappoint! lol).

  • @joelhabrial3897
    @joelhabrial3897 7 місяців тому

    Great episode! I really appreciated @TomTrones realistic and nuanced approach to what you're actually experiencing in the room.

  • @periloustemple8290
    @periloustemple8290 7 місяців тому

    This was so useful! I greatly appreciate it - and got a great deal of better questions from this one. Thanks. Great find.

  • @RoyGBiv-lc8tv
    @RoyGBiv-lc8tv 7 місяців тому +1

    This was great!

  • @-Madkrafter
    @-Madkrafter 7 місяців тому +1

    I have had tinnitus most of my life remembering all the way back at 7 yrs old having to sleep with the radio on to drown out the ringing. I am 53 and have had multiple hearing tests and have found my tinnitus is in the 12-14K range and hearing tests confirmed that I have a slight dip there but heard the 20K tone and no other deficiencies. I do have custom molded musician plugs with 15 & 25 DB inserts. I find the 15 DB perfect for concerts and don’t leave home without them! Thank you for this episode 🤘

  • @DBroce
    @DBroce 7 місяців тому

    I had asked this question many weeks ago on the TPS live. Thank you very much for this.

  • @themattitude
    @themattitude 7 місяців тому +4

    "Womb Trembler" sounds like it was coined by David Coverdale.

  • @Angus.Maclean
    @Angus.Maclean 6 місяців тому +1

    For some reason you two can talk about side issues in a very engaging way. Ironically, it led me to test the limits of my soundproof home studio and, unlike Dan, it turns out I can easily hit 100db without the family hearing me at 6am! (An excuse to a pair of Minuendo?)

  • @ryangunwitch-black
    @ryangunwitch-black 7 місяців тому +1

    Dude this dude is the homie!!! Funeral kicks arse. ❤

  • @liverpoolred2834
    @liverpoolred2834 7 місяців тому +2

    Where can I get tickets to go and see Womb Trembler? I have all their records! 🙂🎸

  • @jakereesemusic
    @jakereesemusic 7 місяців тому +2

    49:34 You guys asked about whether having a plug in one ear makes the damage in the unplugged ear worse.
    In this case since it’s not an in ear monitor,like he said it’s no big deal.
    BUT you shouldn’t do this with IEMs as you will perceive the IEM in one ear as being much quieter than it actually is,so then you turn it up way too high,causing damage. I think this was your line of thinking when you were asking. Good shout

  • @subjectt.change6599
    @subjectt.change6599 4 місяці тому +1

    Motörhead, St. Louis. Early ‘00s. I’ve never heard right since. PROTECT YOUR EARS!!!

  • @willgoodchild4343
    @willgoodchild4343 7 місяців тому +2

    I use these earplugs in my band the Kilrains. We are super loud and once you get used to them they are a god send I still have tinnitus but no where on the scale I’ve had before. Invest in a set you’ll be glad you did

  • @ScottRainsford-iq6xy
    @ScottRainsford-iq6xy 7 місяців тому

    I started wearing hearing aids at the age of 42 but really was asking people to repeat themselves by my early 30’s. Classic Gen Z Walkman generation, metal fan, club DJ. “Temporary” tinnitus became a disturbingly normal part of the weekend. Now at 48 I wouldn’t know silence. As stated in many other comments this effects not only hearing but bigger picture of relationships and mental health. I don’t waste time regretting my choices in life but with modern thinking and solutions like this I still have hope I can pass on the “feeling” of loud volumes to my son as a sensible parent - great episode boys, I hope it is widely received - if there is only episode to share with your friends make it this one

  • @JarickL
    @JarickL 7 місяців тому

    This is an excellent video that's really important for musicians. I had low level tinnitus for over 20 years due to being a drummer in a rock band and not using ear plugs at first. The last few years the tinnitus increased quite a bit and that was a struggle, but there's been a lot of ways to help. Meditation and stress reduction, taking better care of myself, and even just giving the brain time to tune it out all helped. There's always ways to improve your quality of life even with chronic conditions like tinnitus. But the best medicine is prevention, and using good quality earplugs is critical!

  • @andyskittrall207
    @andyskittrall207 7 місяців тому

    My first experience of whistling in the ears (the dreaded tinnitus!) was after seeing Gary Moore at Goldiggers in 1983. I'll never forget just how incredibly loud Gary was running his Marshalls and how loud the P.A. was. After the gig, I spent the next couple of days shouting at everybody in conversation and say "eh" or "pardon" to anyone who spoke to me. Mind you, that night was one I've never forgotten so not really complaining!

  • @Dan_Ranger
    @Dan_Ranger 7 місяців тому +11

    60 year old metal head here that used to rehearse 3 to 4 nights a week in the 1980's. I decided after a year or two of that to wear ear plugs. It was an adjustment but I have limited my ear damage. 20 plus years on custom ear plugs on either 9db or 15db filters. Depending on the band and duration. Highly recommend ear plugs to save your lugs to keep on enjoying the music. I even where that home to stop the dog barking and the wif.... 😂

    • @shadowulf
      @shadowulf 7 місяців тому +2

      Not a metal head, but an electrician with near 40 years in industrial and commercial construction.
      I recently had my hearing tested by industrial hygienist. He was so impressed with my hearing, that he felt the need for a follow up interview.
      I have used hearing protection my whole career. It works.
      I also do shooting sports, work on motorcycle engines and play guitar.
      Ear muffs or 9db - 30db ear plugs are always nearby.

    • @Dan_Ranger
      @Dan_Ranger 7 місяців тому +1

      @@shadowulf I always have a pair of plugs in the car or in my pocket. Keep my music ones with my gear but yes definitely good to be prepared. Even when I go and see bands or to loud environments I’ll grab my ear plugs.
      Just second nature now.

  • @Yupppi
    @Yupppi 7 місяців тому +1

    Guys this is such a fantastic topic to talk about. Especially to kids who feel invincible and don't know how to fear of something decades away. I feel like talking about this topic should always be accompanied with what I was shown at work safety class. That how quickly your hearing can get to the damaging zone in everyday life even, and how the damage is there even if you won't notice it, because it starts far outside your normal hearing range and only catches you up with noticeable consequences when it's way too late to act upon it. And the permanent tinnitus that for some people is bad enough to make them consider taking their own life.
    Protecting your hearing from the start is important to avoid a kickstart towards injuries.

  • @eightleafgaming
    @eightleafgaming 6 місяців тому

    Thanks for posting this! My friends got me heavy into hearing protection when I first started playing and I do believe it's very important.

  • @SomeKindOfMadman
    @SomeKindOfMadman 7 місяців тому +1

    Great discussion, very important points made to enlighten us. I’m a bedroom guitar player, though I still crank my headphones up, so this is something I need to be aware of now.

  • @shadowgolem9158
    @shadowgolem9158 7 місяців тому +1

    Watching them move from denial to acceptance is great. Most folks our age are in the same boat. The hearing is already going and more time spent with too loud is not helping anyone.

  • @GCKelloch
    @GCKelloch 7 місяців тому +1

    I used to use just one -20dB ear plug facing the drums in an attic rehearsal space we all sound proofed. I could hear keyboards and vocals from my floor monitor just fine from the other side without the cymbal crashes deafening me. I don't think I ever suffered ear damage rehearsing, but my hearing now drops off above 12kHz at age 60.

  • @filipj.7247
    @filipj.7247 7 місяців тому

    One of my favorite shows

  • @jrchanning
    @jrchanning 7 місяців тому

    What a fascinating and important subject to have discussions about at TPS, a lot of things I never knew about, excellent stuff 😄

  • @JohnHillmanchannel
    @JohnHillmanchannel 7 місяців тому +1

    This was a really interesting and worrying watch. To me it was also a good example of hearing what you want to hear, both literally and metaphorically. Understandably, Dan and Mick really wanted Tom to give them some dispensation for playing loud. As someone who liked to play loud, I can completely relate to wanting this. But any hearing loss is a miserable lived experience.

  • @jakubpodesva9802
    @jakubpodesva9802 6 місяців тому

    Always good thing to open this theme guys! As a person who has permanent tinnitus, I can advice everybody to do the protection before it is late. Because after it is late, you cannot undo it...

  • @jebusgod
    @jebusgod 7 місяців тому

    The irony of Mick wearing a play loud t-shirt on this video is great

  • @michaeld.3504
    @michaeld.3504 7 місяців тому

    Thank-you for the great show! I am always very interested in this topic since 2001 when I lost 80% hearing in one ear and developed very bad tinnitus, with no real explanation. Doctors think it may have been a virus. Since then, I have begun my guitar journey and loving it! I have been very conscious of hearing preservation. I now own a pair of the ear plugs you showed and they are very good indeed. Keep the loud coming, but wear you ear protection! 👍❤️🎸🎶✌️

  • @donaldryder5534
    @donaldryder5534 7 місяців тому

    I have to admit I wasn't interested in this one, but very glad I watched! Very useful.

  • @TimB335
    @TimB335 7 місяців тому

    What a great video gents, if I ever get ringing after practice or gigs I immediately regret it - got to look after your ears!

  • @tobymoorhouse
    @tobymoorhouse 7 місяців тому

    ENT specialist here.. such an important topic. Especially if you want to keep appreciating the top end on your amps.

  • @bmcash3411
    @bmcash3411 7 місяців тому +1

    The most important TPS episode in TPS history.

  • @nohillforahighstepper
    @nohillforahighstepper 7 місяців тому

    Excellent content!
    😊😊😊

  • @NFMorley
    @NFMorley 7 місяців тому +2

    Enjoyed the discussion - Ive had temporary tinnitus for the past couple weeks (from an infection thats slowly resolving) and it's flipping annoying! I can only imagine how disruptive it would be to constantly have to live with that.
    Somewhat fortunate that I've always used ear protection when playing cranked up (and when going to watch gigs in small venues), but that's definitely not that case amongst most of my friends (late 20s, so still also an element of 'I'm too young to see an issue' sadly).

  • @electrobeats6449
    @electrobeats6449 7 місяців тому

    Thanks for doing this guys. Really great video and an important topic. This topic is very close to my heart. I am a guitarist who has played for 30 years, unfortunately I am also severely deaf (borderline profound). I discovered my hearing loss at 18 and as a musician this was devastating news. Whilst it does not appear that the loss was music/volume related, it has of course had a huge impact on my life.
    I now have to wear hearing aids to hear anything. Clearly this is totally suboptimal for hearing music as they simply aren’t designed to ‘hear’ music properly (they are solely designed around speech detection for obvious reasons).
    I find it so difficult to know that I am never ‘hearing’ the same thing as others, particularly when it comes to tone and guitar playing.
    I really do advise people to listen (no pun intended) to the advice in this video, your hearing is precious and it’s so important to protect it.
    I’m fairly local to you guys (Bristol) so would love to come along to an experience day at some point, it would be really interesting to ‘experience’ playing and listening at that kind of volume, which would also allow me to hear without the hearing aids (albeit safely!) - I’ll have to look out for some dates!

  • @johnmundt7834
    @johnmundt7834 7 місяців тому

    Glad you covered this. I’m 39, can’t say I have bad issues but have noticed struggling with quiet talkers against background noise and the usual ringing after loud music. I swapped out speakers in my AC15 and got better headphones for mowing the lawn so I don’t need to crank either one anymore. Hoping small things like that will help stave off bigger issues

  • @LostPlanet2024
    @LostPlanet2024 7 місяців тому +1

    I play pretty loud still. I need some of those.

  • @jimhardie1980
    @jimhardie1980 7 місяців тому

    As a 40something bedroom guitar player who has had mild-moderate hearing loss from birth and been using hearing aids for years, I'd like to thank you for this show.... It's suuuuuuuuuper interesting! What a dude Tom is?!?!

  • @michaelgriffin5304
    @michaelgriffin5304 7 місяців тому +1

    Just checked out the plugs. They look very nice! Definitely something musicians and anyone who frequents loud/ear damaging levels should consider.

  • @infraaa_
    @infraaa_ 7 місяців тому +1

    Ayyy! Not sure if y’all did this because of me bugging y’all to, but much much appreciated nonetheless!😊

  • @ckturvey
    @ckturvey 7 місяців тому

    Thanks so much for covering such and important topic. I like you guys don't like to perform with earplugs, but when i was in a loud band, would use them during practice. Another situation good for earplugs is sound check. That is the time when you are very likely to get exposed to very sudden and damaging sounds. I didn't at our last sound check and we had an issue with the system that had my ears ringing before the gig.
    I also have found that playing a semihollow guitar has helpes me to find the 'sweet spot' sound of my rig at a lower volume. This has made for a more fulfiling experinace without risking my hearing. Thanks again!

  • @MusicTherapyLaz
    @MusicTherapyLaz 7 місяців тому +1

    I was one checking an issue n with my Pedals at a live jam hang out in a small room and a guy came in and just staring jamming out with his solid state Crate amp... thankfully didn't give me tinnitus... but of my lord... what a terrible sound it was! I don't always use ear protection ... but now days I always have some rest protection with me at any place I might expect loud noise! 🤘🎸😎❤👂

  • @Aleph_Null_Audio
    @Aleph_Null_Audio 7 місяців тому

    This is a really interesting conversation. As a drummer, I've come to enjoy playing with earplugs in (good musician's earplugs) because the attenuation in the treble mimics that sound of the drums at a distance. Up close you get all kinds of ringing harmonic information that the audience doesn't hear. I even tune with earplugs in because it gives me a much better sense of what is actually making it to the audience.

  • @rustygardhouse7895
    @rustygardhouse7895 7 місяців тому +1

    Cool! Being of certain age I have tinnitus from years of running equipment with out hearing protection. Always hated current earplugs because of the muffled effect. Good on you for this.

  • @christurner2398
    @christurner2398 7 місяців тому +1

    Went to see My Bloody Valentine in Manchester. Drove home to Newcastle after the gig. Had no idea how loud we were playing Johnny Cash all the way back..😮

  • @wimjacobs4075
    @wimjacobs4075 6 місяців тому +1

    Great and fascinating show. I had been looking forward to this one ever since you guys announced it. I'm a bit late to watch it, however, since I've been away from the internet for a few weeks and catching up on the shows now... so I'm not sure my comment will be seen, but regardless...
    I've been struggling for ever to hear clearly in loud venues (pubs, parties, concerts). From different experiences, I deducted it's certain high frequencies that garble in my ear into a crackling sound, and when that happens that crackling cancels out all the rest.
    It's worst in pubs and at parties, so I have always had a hard time joining conversations, which did have an impact on my social life, though my lip reading has improved somewhat over the years. I cannot remember this ever being different so I have no idea what caused it, hence genetics I guess?
    In concerts, sometimes I can hear louder music better than less loud stuff, depending on the frequency range of certain instruments being played or not, and I found that blocking my ears with my fingers does help when those frequencies appear. It's hardly a comfortable way to sit out an entire concert, but it works. Doesn't work for conversations though. And plugs that I tried muffle things too much for concerts as well, so I quickly abandoned those.
    I might give the Minuendo stuff a try instead. Pretty expensive though, but probably worth the investment if they work.

  • @neilwitton3540
    @neilwitton3540 7 місяців тому +1

    It seems crazy now but in the 70's it was like a badge of honour to go to a gig & have buzzy ears the next day in school!

  • @hollybushrailway
    @hollybushrailway 7 місяців тому +2

    I've started wearing ear plugs even for things like just busking outdoors with a small battery amp. Protect your ears and play for years

  • @crumpred805
    @crumpred805 7 місяців тому +1

    Great TPS topic. I have hearing loss due to neurological issues from childhood. I had no idea how much high end I was missing until I got hearing aids.

  • @Parariddle
    @Parariddle 7 місяців тому

    Great show and great topic!
    My ears are ringy thanks to The Darkness in Plymouth and band practice. I mitigate with plugs now , drummers snare being the major culprit for extra ringing!
    Thanks guys!

  • @BarefacedAudio
    @BarefacedAudio 7 місяців тому

    This is so valuable! I will continue to tell Barefaced customers (and anyone else who will listen!) that the best money they can spend on music gear is some custom made musicians’ ear plugs. I shall watch this in full when I get a moment and see if I have anything useful to add!

  • @AndyDemos
    @AndyDemos 7 місяців тому +2

    Excellent video and some really helpful discussion! I got tinnitus by filming demos in a small sound booth for a couple years ;) Molded plugs are certainly the best for me but I love the idea of these being adjustable down to 7dB (I too favor 15dB for most concerts). Take care!

  • @DJBuglip
    @DJBuglip 7 місяців тому +1

    That's my band. Winghead. We're a punk band, loud af. I got a 300 watt head a couple years ago, just to handle it.

  • @anthonyalfredyorke1621
    @anthonyalfredyorke1621 7 місяців тому +1

    Thanks Leg Ends, very interesting show chaps, having worked in construction all my life i can attest to the damage a loud working environment can do . On the positive side i noticed a few years ago the younger fellas on site were starting to wear ear plugs, which at first i thought was a good thing, then i realised the LAZY BASTARD'S were just listening to music & using it as an excuse to ignore my orders. I've solved that problem, by thowing bricks at them , that got their attention & me fired!!! BLOODY NANNY STATE!! In my day BLAH, BLAH, BLAH . Used to have to pay for permission to come to work etc . PEACE AND LOVE TO EVERYONE ❤❤.