@@applepie5657”fuck with” that equals like. Ex: i dont fw that guy (i dont like that guy). This is what i understand as a non native english speaker so if i got anything wrong please correct me.
Zoro the goat, but this man’s behavior was pissing me off this arc 😂😂😂 He didn’t even connect the similarities between King and his offspring and was playing with his pet leopard the whole time, even after the illuminati pulled up on his captain
And sanji ran away from the Illuminati that pulled up on his captain 🤣 Yet another arc where sanji gets washed by everyone and fails to win a fight 🤣 700+ episodes and still only won 1 fight
@@ghostsotelo5191 why u bringing up sanji, I was talking about Zoro 🤣🤣 I ain’t a sanji fanboy; like I commented, zoro is the goat but there was no rzn for him to fuck around with lucci as long as he did; man had 3 swords KOH at the start and revert to just 2 no haki He only put a heavy blow on lucci after sanji was talking shit thru the snail and even then, lucci was still standing and managed to yak to Mars about the current situation at egghead He could’ve mid-diffed lucci if he was locked in from the jump or had jinbe with him as support the whole time, but hey Oda likes nerfing characters in order to progress the story, so…
People were making comparisons to mihawk using a small blade against zoro saying: "you would'nt use a cannon to kill a rabbit". Heres yhe thing, at that point, Mihawk was chilling in the EAST BLUE, not even in the first half of the grandline or the new world, and chasing Don Krieg because he was bored. He could afford to play around against the straw hat crew who were still in their infancy. Luffy and Zoro not taking Lucci or the seraphim more seriously is just bad writing by Oda. The marines are in the island with an admiral, one of the 5 elders, and upgraded paslcifista(seraphim) so Zoro has no excuse to play around with Lucci.
Sanjis always been the clutch guy, and the one to lead the crew when Luffys away. Zoros more like Luffys best friend who does his own thing once they land on the island. This is why I always consider Sanji the Co-Captain, he’s literally the one who acts most like a captain. Aside from Luffy.
In reality zoro, sanji, and nami all share the co captain role. Wouldn’t say any of them deserve the title more than the other. There’s a reason why Oda specifically stated that the straw hats don’t have a vice captain.
Zoro is the 2nd strongest, sanji is the clutch mvp, and nami is the “mate”/ “co-captain” she isn’t strong that’s why she is put out of the picture but she is the one who actually controls what happens other then the fights… if she says something no one can change her mind unless in certain rare situations Zoro or luffy step up and strongly oppose
1 extra point for sanji for acting like a captain contacting namis team and exchanging info ... telling jimbei to stop and bring zoro back ... telling the giants where luffy is and to help him out edit : 1 point deducted for zoro for being selfish and stupid wanting to still fight lucci despite knowing how bad their situation and danger in the island.... and later jimbei stopping rhem and carrying zoro
Sanji was also calling out orders for the crew while Luffy was fighting to get them all back to the ship faster. Hell, the only reason Zoro went all out on Lucci at the end there was because Sanji got under his skin calling him a burden. If anything, that should also be another point to Sanji and a deduction to Zoro Edit: ON TOP OF THAT, Zoro got lost during the night they were fighting the Seraphim. We know this because Kaku literally said he had to deal with 2 seraphim at the same time, that's why he was so injured. Kaku had to chase this man down, and get him to follow along.. AND HE STILL GOT LOST. Gonna be real, Zoro was nothing but a burden this arc. It doesn't really matter if anyone tries to disagree with me, even the crew would acknowledged that as the case.
The most unloyal straw hat, has the audacity to try to give orders after purposely choosing not to follow his captains orders. Doesn’t matter if anyone tries to disagree with it because chapter 1108 is already set in stone
@@kantbesoberyou could say the same about Robin then, Sanji genuinely believed what he was doing would save their lives and the lives of the Baratie that Big Mom threatened. Don't be ridiculous.
@@vegitohaze2081 are u talking about wci? Because I clearly said chapter 1108. The chapter where the captain gave sanji strict orders to get vp out of there and sanji got speed blitzed and let kizaru land the final blow the literal next page. Doesn’t matter if sanji let it happen on purpose or not because either way he either failed to follow luffys orders or chose not to. Either way it’s a massive L
@@kantbesoberluffy didn't say get vegapunk ALIVE tho, and sanji actually got vegapunk out of there absolutely following luffy's orders. See how stupid your logic is? It's as stupid as you.
@@Muffin11262 not exactly. Water 7 for example the mvp was Sanji even if we count Luffy. In Ennies Lobby they're both equally the mvps, cuz without Luffy they wouldn't defeat Lucci, but without Sanji they wouldn't have escaped. In Thriller Bark Zoro is the mvp, even counting Luffy, etc. Luffy is obviously the mvp most times, but not always
@@MoonS4444 sanji was badass in water 7 but I don't remember he achieved anything in that arc just like Luffy and zoro. Ennies lobby, yes they probably wouldn't have but you could say the same thing for Luffy, couldn't have escaped without him either. Yes, both would have been needed to stay alive, but one is still more important than the other. In thriller bark, everyone would have died from oars alone let alone Kuma. Plus, Kuma would've only killed Luffy while oars and moria were about to kill everyone. Zoro is considered the MVP of thriller bark mostly bcz of the level of loyalty he showed and a pretty good endurance feat.
@@Muffin11262 Sanji was the reason why the SH were able to go after Robin, since he followed the CP9 to the train. There's no really a "more important" between Luffy and Sanji in Ennies Lobby. Without both, the whole crew would be doomed there. Luffy defeats Lucci, but Sanji doesn't open the gate - they get cornered and captured by the marines. Luffy doesn't manage to defeat Lucci - Lucci defeats the rest of the SH and no one escapes. The whole crew together was responsible of defeating Oars. Nightmare Luffy didn't manage to defeat him before losing ALL the shadows. And then, when Kuma arrives, the whole crew is tired and Zoro offers his life (although Sanji wanted to do the same).
@@MoonS4444 if it's equal, then there is kinda no MVP of the arc. And if we consider other things other than "helping the SHs escape", like who defeated a stronger opponent, then Luffy is the MVP. Stronger opponent + helped the SHs escape or a weaker opponent + helped the SHs escape, the former is better And Luffy also endured way more damage in return for escaping while sanji just had to open the gates. So if we consider all those things and not just "helped the SHs escape", then the MVP is Luffy. Yes, but Luffy also played a role and a major one at that in defeating oars. Then he alone defeated amped moria who was a threat to everyone there. So he really should be the MVP bcz of that. While zoro only saved Luffy.
@@orphen923 bro at least he didn’t get beaten by a sun god ,knocked out by a vampire ,almost murdered by the king of hell and got punched by the boss of fishmans 🤣🤣 Having a 1 on 1 with kaido would be easier than that stuff 🤣poor lucci😢 But yea Sanji also saw some stuff ☝️
@@saythatonemoretime9719Beaten by the sun god like many top tiers would've been, not to add that he get up in less than a min. * Not even sûre that he even get k.oed Bitten by a vampire in hybrid form( while him being in normal form ) using sea stone who admitted she's no match with him. For me after that zoro atk he could've still go on Jinbei used a smokescreen
If you actually think about the arc itself and look at each character, it’s obvious that other than Luffy, Wanji is THE MVP of this arc hands down. 🗣️🗣️
Tf has sanji done? Dude been getting washed by everyone and let VP die are y’all on copium because VP said he should be deleted? Because I’m pretty sure regardless of what VP said luffys order was “save vegapunk”
@@ghostsotelo5191 -saved Nami multiple times -Saved Robin -moved so fast he could save Edison from a laser that was already fired and was midair -saved Kuma multiple times -saved Bonney multiple times -deflected Saturn's attacks -did a feat Luffy and Zoro couldn't do, blocking a laser. Not once but twice. Zoro implied lasers are unblockable for him (not for Wanji) in Wano and Luffy was shown unable to block them in Egghead and had to tank them. -extended Nusjuro's neck saving Franky and Bonney again -was the only person to fight a seraphim in a 1v1 and win -stopped Kaku instantly with his BIQ -Every attack he took, he regenerated from. Ended the arc with 0 lasting damage. That's what he did. The only massive L Sanji took, of letting VP die, was removed since it was planned and Sanji was in on it. So all in all, cope harder 🤷♂
sanji: *kicks a laser so hard it evaporates* kizaru, the literal most qualified person to ask about lasers: "That literally isnt physically possible." sanji: physics cant contain the power of love!
Zoro was biggest liability this arc. 1)too slow to recognize similarities between King and seraphims 2)straw hats ended vulnarable because Jinbei needed to search for Zoro 3)stalling Lucci while his crew needs to escape island
@@channel-sanji usopp saved the ship when it was falling down and he protected Robin from Saturn along with others. For what he is supposed to do, he did good job. On the other hand Zoro is vice captain and he put crew in risk with his stupidness (lost directions, unable to recognize flames on seraphim) and playing with Lucci instead of finishing him while others are in danger. This was not his arc at all
@@Segorilla if zoro is a vice captain then usopp is a sniper. His work is sniping enemies in long and mid range and not fighting close range like against saturn. I m not saying he shouldn't have fought saturn with others but he should have been more active as a sniper. Egghead, unlike onigashima, is an open space, u can see however far u want. Usopp didn't had a fixed enemy so he could have easily provided a support and take out marine fodders Whereas zoro at least saved the ship from kaku and protected the crew against gandhi.
@@Bestkorok it is in fact true 🤣 sanjis only actual W is queen everyone else washed him even the people he tried sneak attacking like oven he did nothing to them 🤣
Conveniently forgetting my boy franky, He's the real MVP, if anything, looking at their strength, Zoro, Sanji AND jinbei(especially jinbei) all underperformed this arc, Franky's the real MVP, especially looking at what the expectations for him were
As a sanji fan, i think the giants collectively r the mvp of egghead. 1) saved escaping scientists from marines since saturn ordered navy to kill them 2) destroyed navy ships 3) engaged vice admirals 4) helped luffy in fighting elders 5) helped sanji and bonney in fighting gandhi 6) opened a path so that the strawhats could escape
Hahaha, man, the Zoro vs Sanji debate will never end until one piece ends, or maybe it will never end... for me, both of them did a great job in their roles as right and left hand of luffy
@@Akaxashi11 still more popular 🤡 Goku is a terrible character and still he is one of the reasons anime is at it's peak. Same as Zoro, Zoro is the 2nd most popular op character throughout the years. Sanji is just a simp.
Zoro had better performance in wano , Sanji has better performance in Egghead. I like both them. To me, they are almost equally stronger and important to Luffy. But i feel like Sanji feats gets unnoticed. In the Thriller bark Zoro Iconic "Nothing Happened" moment, Zoro was sacrificing his ambition for luffy but Sanji was doing the same. So they both should get respect.
Looking at all these comments got me ashamed to know we got such idiots in the fanbase. It’s almost impossible for the fanbase to just enjoy what each straw hat brings to the crew because they are so caught up in narratives like this is a sports debate. From downplaying Ifrit Jambe on zoro stans side and downplaying King of Hell on Sanji stans side even to the extent of downplaying luffy for the sake of propping up Zoro or Sanji.
To be fair, even if Zoro beat lucci earlier, what would he do then? Find his way back to the crew on his own somehow? I feel there's a reason Oda brought up his direction impairment at least twice in Egghead and then made Zoro wait until Jinbei showed up to defeat Lucci.. but mostly agreed. Personally, my MVP of Egghead is Kuma lol
He could've fought against the elders? Or protect the Sunny Crew? He might've got lost, but everywhere on the island, there's something happening, he would've bound to encounter someone or event that can impact their escape. Whether meeting with an ally to help or enemies to eliminate. And while Zoro has bad sense of direction, it's not like he's completely incapable of finding threats or threaten crewmates. Just like how he managed to saved Lilith or find Pica when he's hiding. Speaking of, he even got observation haki as well. Would've been easier to find his allies if he just use that.
@@zackfross98 how though if he can't find his way to them? I mean, Luffy sent Kaku to go with Zoro to find S-Hawk so he wouldn't get lost. And S-Hawk was still in relatively close proximity at that time. Zoro and Lucci were pretty far away from anyone else in the island, on top of Egghead being a giant science labyrinth. Mars was the only one to come remotely near Zoro pre Nusjuro clash, and even then, they missed each other despite both having Observation haki. -also most of the elders were around Luffy, the only 2 that were free agents were Mars and Nusjuro. Mars is flying looking for the Den Den Mushi, so zoro coming across him randomly is a no.. and Nusjuro was preoccupied taking down the Pacifista along the coast of the island. Zoro was inland. There's no way he would've come across anyone if Jinbei hadn't found him. We also see how long it took Jinbei to actually reach Zoro and Lucci, confirming the distance was large. It doesn't really deal with observation Haki though. Because imagine you hear a gunshot in the distance a mile away. You can tell where the shot came from directionally, but narrowing it down to even a city block in particular would be near impossible. TLDR; Even though Zoro can sense these people, it doesn't mean he can navigate to them
Remember Sanji is always cooking. 😂😂😂😂 and you are a zoro fan and i am a sanji fan lets be honest but fair play to you because you didn't let you bias to influence the video result 💯💯💯
@@Mokloko2019 calm down he has his life and I have mine we are not all the time on yutube and we live in different countries and he has a lot of follower on yutube he can't reply all my comments but i'm sure he will read it
Honestly there is no "MVP" they both showed you why they are the 2 strongest on the crew. Zoro beating the strongest cp agent in the world government without much effort and Sanji damaging a gorosei proving to nusjuro that the straw hats are gonna be more troublesome than he initially thought. Same with Zoro he clashed with nusjuro pushing him back showing him again that they are not a crew to be taken lightly. They both did the same things in this arc only difference is Zoro had a 1 on 1 fight but Sanji didn't.
Chopper the obvious mvp, he saved Law without even being there. Plus he tanked those attacks from Saturn, protecting Robin & Nami. Also presumably treated Stussy & Robin. My boy is Him.
Why is this even being asked? Luffy fights the strongest, Zoro gets the MOST hype and Sanji is the mvp. Tell the two piece fans to start at chapter 51.
@2:58 I think it's more that Franky, and also other crewmates like Jinbei and Brook, will often try contribute in situation to let the Monster Trio save their strength. Anything they manage to do lets the big guns focus on the big threats
Hmph, I don’t know who was the MVP this arc. Sanji was (as usual) humiliated by Oda. He showed a badass scene and not long after was taken down while Zoro not log got a fight but also seem to be set as Nasjuro opponent It just feel so…as usual. Zoro being the battle badass while Sanji must be the emotional badass Cause, at least, Vegapunk confided in him. He may not only have been the closest to him as he was dying but clearly Vegapunk saw worth in Sanji. But The trend just goes on for me. Sanji gets badass moment only moments later get humiliated. While Zoro……….does not. And that’s frustrating to feel.
Well, I dont think Sanji got humiliated this arc, Kizaru kicks him in the face, and thats it, I mean, Sanji isnt at that level neither is Zoro, the outcome was kinda of expected, you cant have a good time carrying a body around. Sanji manage to deflect Nasjuro sword and kick him in the face in little to no time, that bald guy bite him creating a horse head from his chest. Sanji did a lot this arc, I think he is good, Zoro played with Lucci and clash with Nasjuro, witch ended up in nothing, even Lucci wasnt finished, it takes Jinbe to stop the fight, Zoro was in better shape, but the fight will keep a little if Jinbe didnt show up. My boy wasnt humiliated this arc (aside from wanting to be a dog for stussy)
@@bananabarddev it’s exactly thoose moments that I count as humiliation He kicked Kizaru laser only for another scene to immediately get kicked away. While carrying a body, can we really use that as an excuse? No we cannot He kicked Nasjuro only for immediately that arrogant scum to manifest a head and bite him and later we see Sanji fumble on the ground He gets frozen by Saturn and knocked back, with the only consolation that his head did not go with him It’s these that I count as humiliation. Sanji doing a badass thing……..only for Oda IMMEDIATELY making like he took a hit. And what does he do for Zoro? He fights, and fights. And clashes and clashes. But does he get humiliated? Are we to count a clash that ends in a draw as humiliation to him? Jinbei tech only blew away a defeated opponent, nothing more. It’s not enough, it just look badass for Zoro. And Sanji do not get that For even when one tries to downplay Zoro, it’s just it’s not there That’s why I say with tears in my eyes, what I mean of Sanji being humiliated
Tbh the whole Lucci fight was humiliating for Zoro 😂 not only does he nerf himself for no reason, he needed to Jinbei to come and haul his ass back to the ship (which took protection away from the Sunny) and needed Sanji to tell him off in order to finally defeat Lucci. He put the whole crew in danger twice for being dumb. And sure, he got a block in with an Elder. But he also got sent flying and needed Jinbei to catch him like he was a baseball. Plus, he needed a combo with Jinbei to even get the block in. While Sanji was by himself. So I think they cancel out for sure.
@@madbuck2741 Zoro nerfed himself cause he was wanted to prove he could defeat Lucci easily. That’s not humiliation, that’s arrogance After all no one takes strength and the symbol of it more the Luffy He did endanger the crew but that’s not humiliation to him that’s just a flaw And he needed Jinbei cause he would otherwise he would get lost, again a character comedy moment, not humiliation As for the clash against Nasjuro, that’s was only there to confirm to the fans that Nasjuro has a Kitetsu and BOTH of them were knocked back. While Sanji was ONLY knocked back. It’s clear which Character Oda favors to give awesomeness and which one he does not
@@AngryAnimeFan2 dude you’re an idiot. Mocking the arrogance of a character is HUMILIATING. That whole situation makes Zoro look stupid and a horrible crewmate and is a mark against HIS CHARACTER in general. That he f*cked around while everyone is danger. Plus, the fact that Oda has Sanji, Jinbei, and Nami point out what a BURDEN Zoro was, is humiliating for Zoro. It is humiliating because part of his job is to protect the crew and he literally out there playing with a cat while his crew are in danger 🤮 yeah it is a flaw. A HUMILIATING flaw. Except it’s not funny here? No one finds that funny that Jinbei has leave the Sunny defenseless to find and bring back another member cause he’s too much of idiot to find them. Plus, SANJI having to call him out to get him to lock in is SAD 🙃 Also Jinbei being the one to knock Lucci away and carry Zoro is also pathetic, ngl. Sanji actually got a hit on an elder 🙃 Like come on now. By your own point, Sanji got a hit and then Nusjuro got a hit. Just like Nusjuro and Zoro got a block and got pushed back. Sanji has regen so he was fine, exactly like Nusjuro was. And so both were fine after the hit. So your point makes 0 sense 😂 and add the fact that Zoro needed Jinbei’s help to even clash with Nusjuro 🤡 And let’s not add to the fact that Zoro’s comment to Luffy about being an emperor was a d*ck move, coming from an idiot who almost got his crew killed. Like nah, Oda didn’t make Zoro look good this arc as a character AT ALL.
lets be clear about the sanji/bonnie/franky combo ... idk why people compare it to damaging luffy feat? .. whereas the entire attack altogether was transferred to mars which sent him flying all the way back to miles miles away... the balloon luffy form is meant to tank attack and recoil it back....the max (>80% power to send mars flying miles away comes from sanjis raw power...becoz a nika luffy sent saturn (similar size as mars) few hundred metres away using boomig dawn gatting...so i assume less or similar feat by bonnie and defn franky s attack will be weaker than hers but adding few hundred metres as well.. Rest power to send mars flying that far away comes from sanji...so thats no way an antifeat...and by the latest chapters we know mars was sent back to marijoia even before the joyboy coq haki scene...
I can't believe I didn't notice this before.. Sanji is literally a cook, and cooks take and give orders all the time.. so Sanji is excellent at doing stuff like that.. bro would make a perfect vice captain.
I think in Elbaf Zoro & Sanji going to fight 1v1 Extreme Battle. I mean the whole Rivalry of Zoro & Sanji is Starts with Little garden arc. So Elbaf is Perfect place for they both fight each other in extreme Battle. After all It is a Warrior Island so they definitely conduct some sort of Warrior battle games.
People keep saying Sanji let Vegapunk died is a L, but Vegapunk need to die for the plot to continue then whoever in sanji position CAN NOT SAVE Vegapunk including you guys precious Zoro,. If sanji what the biggest L of this arc for helping the plot to continue then Zoro is the random fodder that have nothing to do with the plot, lmao. You guys are f*cking pathetic for downplaying sanji because one essential moment of the plot and need to admitted that sanji is better than zoro in Egghead.
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@@parmar__12Sanji saved Tashigi, G5, kids, fought with Vergo when Zoro only killed dragon and fought with Monet. In addition Zoro didn't kill Monet and because of that all crew almost died because she exploded whole laboratory.
@@Samurai10320 sanji saved tashigi? That's was interesting? Fought vergo for a minute and was breaking his own bones ? That's was interesting?? Zoro didn't kill monet because of that whole crew almost died? Do you know how many times sanji has played stupid which would have let his crew or captain die? Like beating the living shit Outta him in a yonko territory?
@@parmar__12Yes, Sanji saved Tashigi. Also Sanji kick Vergo 2 times and hurt him but you just ignored that fact because you want to downplay him. Just remember how many times Zoro was hurt by someone but for zorotards it's nothing, just plot.
For escape arcs Sanjis speed and movement just make him way to useful. That's why he was the focus of whole cake and egghead. And during the fighting arcs like dressrosa or wano Zoro gets the attention.
Zoro fans just can't accept their L and only want to downplay sanji . They are just sore losers. Anyone can see in all of cooment section that zoro fans are just being annoying. 😂😂😂
@@RimuruTempest-wl1ru it's much less still. i always see sanji fans trying to defend the point that zoro vs sanji is extreme diff fight but zoro fans are always saying that it's mid or low diff.
As a Zoro fan I know Zoro is stronger than Sanji BUT when the crew needed Zoro he was playing woth Lucci when he could've just used a few named attacks and deal with Lucci in maybe 2 Chapters Sanji was in that field saving crew members where is Zoro for 10 damn Chapters like damn
Sanji was in the field letting the smartest man in the world die in his arms. That’s gonna forever be a worse L than anything zoro did this arc. Overall Sanji def had more clutch moments tho.
@@infernityable1369 if ur point is that vegapunk wanted to die that’s irrelevant. Luffy told sanji to protect him. Sanji had one job. Get vegapunk to safety. Instead he got vegapunk killed almost immediately after being put in sanjis care.
Honestly, based on the points you included and deducted, I would say they tied. Zoro not immediately defeating Lucci is not worth a negative point, same with Sanji letting Vegapunk get attacked. I had them at 6 to 6 by the end, though obviously it's open to interpretation.
Sanjis my favourite . Always has been always will be . So I was so vindicated when Jinbe had to step in and one-shot Zoros fight, then Sanji deflected Kizarus laser . .
He knows Zoro and Sanji aren't the MVP he said so himself at the beginning of the video he's just doing what Zoro and Sanji fans have been asking him to do in his comments.
@@gooeysad2058 yeah. But in one way, we don't need someone to acts wonderfully to choose the mvp (like water 7-sanji), just who perform the highest among nakama. So there's always mvp in each arc.
Also you skipped where sanji was in the air and blocked the mini lasers from hitting Bonney and Kuma. As well as him being the one to make zoro lock in
Thats different I dont remember any named attack where he uses 2 swords post time skip 1 sword style diminishes strength but boosts speed While 3 swords is all about power
this seems really one sided while you could argue that zoro shoud have identified the lunarian traits faster with out him even being there to tell them we dont know how the arc would have ended up and u should not deduct a point for "not finishing a fight fast enough" like bro and u sped or somthing he won just give bro his point💀
I think deducting point for for Zoro being a "burden" (as Sani said) when the strawhats were planning on escaping was justified but ur forgetting he gave him his point for winning the fight as well. I also u made a decent point with the Lunarian stuff but I personally think he messed up there and Zoro himself took accountability for it.
@@spring_barger6575 The fact that onebody else would know what to do about the seraphim even the vegapunks did not know why they were not taking damage. while yes zoro did take a while to tell them if he was not there well it would not have even gone well for everyone. And yes i agree he should have hurried up his fight and not be a burden but lets be for real sanji calling zoro a burden does not mean he actually is one
@@Stoick18 yh Zoro Informing them about the lunarian stuff even if he was late was helpful but if he hadn't told them know at all luffy would have been forced to go Gear 5 and maybe even use ACOC, which let Zoro defeat flames-on lunarians with his dragon damnation attack, to subdue the seraphim which would have cost him alot of stamina but we know how fast old man luffy can recover with some food so at the end of the day it wouldn't have been too detrimental like ur implying. So I still stand by the fact that it was worthy of a point reduction. And yes Sanji saying Zoro was a burden doesn't automatically make him a burden but u still agreed with the point I was trying to make so not much to say.
you gave sanji a point for hitting Ghandi( and he was literally fine after the attack) but you didn't subtract a point for sanji getting attacked back? they both were fine so the point should have canceled each other out
How is sending mars home and doing the most damage after luffy to him is not a feat? That ain't no anti feat that's g5 luffy the mc who was playing with yonko kaido at the end ofc he didn't get burned he screamed it hurt him though 😑 But anyways he was getting nerfed here and still won he is the MVP
I am convinced Oda just wanted to keep zoro away from the rest of the arc cause he would have fucked up the tension (just like in dressrosa there was fujitora to keep him away from doffy). That's the same reason why he didn't make yamato join (she will join later). Cause like why the fuck would he stall Lucci if he could have one shotted him in any moment.
I mean Luffy did most of the fighting this arc, and Zoro did clash against a Gorosei using one of the best swords on the planet… Sanji pulled his weight as well with the Stella but to try and pit them against each other this arc is kinda smooth brain. I get Wano or Dressrosa but egghead was more about lore building and luffy.
@@SuperiorI.Q idk if I see it that way the situation at hand is of upmost importance the island is about to be destroyed speed is crucial. The argument for him going easy or not being serious doesn’t make sense with the context of everything that’s going on.
Kaku and Lucci are awakened Zoan haki users. Lucci obviously high commander level able to survive gear fifth. Downplaying Zoro beating both of them and coming out unphased in one arc is crazy considering the things you gave sanji points for and didn’t take points for.
Sanji is my favorite character but this debate is so stupid. Oda has always portrayed Zoro and Sanji as equals and the only people who think differently are brain dead idiots with agendas.
portrayed them very relative with a slight edge to zoro. First mate, swordsman of the crew (essentially just a combatant in profession), zoro has fought the second strongest opponent most arcs, he's even fought and performed against main villains of a few arcs, adding onto this, his KOH amp being seemingly superior to sanji's amp as most top tiers see this amp as ridiculous, and we saw what it did for luffy. Sanji has taken countless L's against main villains, other women, etc. This is not to discredit Sanji, but to say they've always been portrayed as equals makes no sense, their rivalry portrays them as relaitve to one another, feats, statements, goals, etc gives Zoro the edge, this much is objectively true. In terms of narrative significance of course neither one takes an edge, every straw hat is equal in this category aside from Luffy being our actual main and central character.
you could even pursue the point that their rivalry is portrayed as equal, which I could agree with, though it still wouldn't discredit essentially every other point.
this metric is kind of stupid, in universe sanji is doing a bunch of little things while zoro is taking care of a strong enemy for the entire time, by your logic zoro should get a point for every chapter hes fighting off screen for
Ngl I would argue Sanji had the better feat against Nusjuro than Zoro. Not only did he make him bleed, he speed blitz and blocked his Haki up sword. Him getting hit by Nusjuro is ONLY a result of him having to carry Vegapunk and he still tanked it.
He didn't actually blitz him Nusjuro was trying to kill Bonney and wasn't expecting Sanji to show up so Sanji got a sneak attack of. Also I don't see how him carrying Vegapunk impacted anything Nusjuro clearly had the upperhand once he figured out what was happening. Sanji did get a good hit in, but the feat is definetly overrated
@@debater452 Sanji announced himself and yelled before attacking Nusjuro and even order Franky OUTLOUD to leave Nusjuro to him, so it wasn’t no sneak. And carrying Vegapunk did play a part as Sanji was more worried about Vegapunk body than his own, hence why he let go of Vegapunk before he got hit by Nusjuro.
@@WhiteBeard640 Nusjuro was still trying to kill Bonney he was in a vonurable possition. Sanji could have troped hi because he was bitten. Nusjuro was clearly winning the skirmish and if he wasn't focusing on trying to kill Bonney Sanji probably wouldn't have gotten that hit of
@@debater452 Again Sanji yelled, announced himself, and order Franky to not fire his laser, he has given Nusjuro every indication that he is there, so it’s not a “sneak”. If Nusjuro chose to underestimate Sanji and ignore all the signs that Sanji is approaching, that’s his fault.
@WhiteBeard640 Well, I think Zoro's feat was superior because he went against Nusjuro's haki equally and elders haki was constantly hyped in this arc everybody were shocked how strong their haki was. Making gorosei bleed is not that hard they have not shown great durability (except for warcury) like Bonny made Saturn bleed easily so making them bleed is not that impressive. Zoro had equal Haki clash with Nusjuro so I think that's much more impressive give how hyped their haki is.
Both characters are goated. Despite being in less than half the arc, zoro almost made a comeback. Insane. But he started fighting lucci with two swords so that point reduction was kinda bias. But that's just me😂😂
Just going to point out some things & not trying to use any slander work, 1) You combined two different things like Sanji getting an eye attack from Saturn and made everyone stick to the floor as -1 point for 2 separate things. 2) you deducted a point for Zoro while he cannot help rest from Labophase because of the barrier and he stuck with Lucci so, even if he beat Lucci he would still be unable to help the guys below 🤷🏻♂️ 3) Again you combined two different things letting Kizaru pierce VP and getting hit are two things (for example IF Sanji had prevented Kizaru piercing VP but took a hit how would you have rated that!?) 4) this feels a little biased imo when u deduct point for Zoro for just stalling Lucci but did not minus a point for Sanji when he got put by Nusjuro and Bonney and Giants stopped Nusjuro. 5) this one is a nick pick 😅, you gave a point for Sanji deflecting Saturn leg but didn't minus a point for Kizaru piercing Sanji and the rest while Kuma protected Bonney when Kizaru cut the elevator and used lasers! 🤔
Btw I am not voting for Zoro to be MVC because he didn't have a similar amount of involvements like Sanji. (Could be Oda holding him back, because he didn't get hit once in this arc ON Panel, no Asura, no KOH mode or bandana seriousness)
@@parmar__12first of all it's Sanji's birthright not some magical sword lend from a 'dead man' and one kick can send that Fishman to where it belongs.
@@PraveenYadav-xn1by lol that magical sword doesn't have anything of it own 🤣🤣🤣 It uses user's haki in excess only give that sword to sanji and he would shrink up in that place in seconds with his weAkass haki 🤣🤣 And his daddy genes is carrying him still he's relative to jimbe and in water jimbe beat the living shit Outta sanji 🤣
@@yo-kaikid76 sanji's motivation 🤣🤣🤣 Where was this man's motivation himself when Saturn was about to kill bonney and man couldn't even Move 🤣 How can this lame character motivate others but not himself? So what's sanji now cheerleader of the crew 🤣not a cook anymore lmao And talking about low diff ? didn't sanji got eye diffed by Saturn tho?🤣
Maybe I was to harsh on sanji with the stussy thing I’ll be honest 😞 discord.gg/JXtQxjTgTM
yo superior you good?
“Bark bark” 🐶
Sadly stussys dog did absolutely nothing when he seen the kitty hit her 🤣
What Sanji Stussy thing? I haven’t seen anything like that in the anime or the manga. (Let me live my delusion).
I’ve been waiting for this
literally just got me a plate of food then i got this notification… i am seated
fr yo man you good? you and superior carrying right now for one piece talks
I always confuse u 2
Ily dawg
@@royalfun1031I thought that i was the only one 😅
Gambler been awfully down on Sanji agenda superior coming in clutch
Toei made it abundantly clear that they do not fw Sanji
It has been known for a while now.
fw?
@@applepie5657”fuck with” that equals like. Ex: i dont fw that guy (i dont like that guy).
This is what i understand as a non native english speaker so if i got anything wrong please correct me.
They treat sanji the same way they treat vegeta.
@@INFERNO95nah Vegeta still gets some love
Zoro the goat, but this man’s behavior was pissing me off this arc 😂😂😂
He didn’t even connect the similarities between King and his offspring and was playing with his pet leopard the whole time, even after the illuminati pulled up on his captain
And sanji ran away from the Illuminati that pulled up on his captain 🤣
Yet another arc where sanji gets washed by everyone and fails to win a fight 🤣 700+ episodes and still only won 1 fight
@ghostsotelo5191 you mean he followed captains orders? If he didn't you zorotards would be saying he ignored luffys orders
@@ghostsotelo5191 why u bringing up sanji, I was talking about Zoro 🤣🤣
I ain’t a sanji fanboy; like I commented, zoro is the goat but there was no rzn for him to fuck around with lucci as long as he did; man had 3 swords KOH at the start and revert to just 2 no haki
He only put a heavy blow on lucci after sanji was talking shit thru the snail and even then, lucci was still standing and managed to yak to Mars about the current situation at egghead
He could’ve mid-diffed lucci if he was locked in from the jump or had jinbe with him as support the whole time, but hey Oda likes nerfing characters in order to progress the story, so…
People were making comparisons to mihawk using a small blade against zoro saying: "you would'nt use a cannon to kill a rabbit". Heres yhe thing, at that point, Mihawk was chilling in the EAST BLUE, not even in the first half of the grandline or the new world, and chasing Don Krieg because he was bored. He could afford to play around against the straw hat crew who were still in their infancy. Luffy and Zoro not taking Lucci or the seraphim more seriously is just bad writing by Oda. The marines are in the island with an admiral, one of the 5 elders, and upgraded paslcifista(seraphim) so Zoro has no excuse to play around with Lucci.
@@arongebremedhin9764 because people love saying sanji and zoro are equals 🤣
And Zoro would never run like that
Sanjis always been the clutch guy, and the one to lead the crew when Luffys away. Zoros more like Luffys best friend who does his own thing once they land on the island.
This is why I always consider Sanji the Co-Captain, he’s literally the one who acts most like a captain. Aside from Luffy.
In reality zoro, sanji, and nami all share the co captain role. Wouldn’t say any of them deserve the title more than the other. There’s a reason why Oda specifically stated that the straw hats don’t have a vice captain.
This just simply isn’t true but go off ig
Zoro always leads when luffy ain't around
Zoro is the 2nd strongest, sanji is the clutch mvp, and nami is the “mate”/ “co-captain” she isn’t strong that’s why she is put out of the picture but she is the one who actually controls what happens other then the fights… if she says something no one can change her mind unless in certain rare situations Zoro or luffy step up and strongly oppose
@@bhanguusa9788 what clutch has your clutch MVP done since the new world or even after enies Lobby??
Which is like 700 chapters ?
1 extra point for sanji for acting like a captain contacting namis team and exchanging info ... telling jimbei to stop and bring zoro back ... telling the giants where luffy is and to help him out
edit : 1 point deducted for zoro for being selfish and stupid wanting to still fight lucci despite knowing how bad their situation and danger in the island.... and later jimbei stopping rhem and carrying zoro
1 point deduction for Zoro because he was napping too long.
1 extra point to Sanji for not being a little bitch and using his German genes effectively
Sanji was also calling out orders for the crew while Luffy was fighting to get them all back to the ship faster. Hell, the only reason Zoro went all out on Lucci at the end there was because Sanji got under his skin calling him a burden. If anything, that should also be another point to Sanji and a deduction to Zoro
Edit: ON TOP OF THAT, Zoro got lost during the night they were fighting the Seraphim. We know this because Kaku literally said he had to deal with 2 seraphim at the same time, that's why he was so injured. Kaku had to chase this man down, and get him to follow along.. AND HE STILL GOT LOST. Gonna be real, Zoro was nothing but a burden this arc. It doesn't really matter if anyone tries to disagree with me, even the crew would acknowledged that as the case.
The most unloyal straw hat, has the audacity to try to give orders after purposely choosing not to follow his captains orders. Doesn’t matter if anyone tries to disagree with it because chapter 1108 is already set in stone
@@kantbesoberyou could say the same about Robin then, Sanji genuinely believed what he was doing would save their lives and the lives of the Baratie that Big Mom threatened. Don't be ridiculous.
@@vegitohaze2081 are u talking about wci? Because I clearly said chapter 1108. The chapter where the captain gave sanji strict orders to get vp out of there and sanji got speed blitzed and let kizaru land the final blow the literal next page. Doesn’t matter if sanji let it happen on purpose or not because either way he either failed to follow luffys orders or chose not to. Either way it’s a massive L
@@kantbesober vegapunk's plan to reveal the secrets of the world is more important than luffy telling him to do something
@@kantbesoberluffy didn't say get vegapunk ALIVE tho, and sanji actually got vegapunk out of there absolutely following luffy's orders. See how stupid your logic is? It's as stupid as you.
Sanji is OBVIOUSLY the mvp if we don't count Luffy. Not hating on Zoro particularly, but there's just no way to deny that
I mean, if we count Luffy then he is the MVP of every arc pretty sure.
So it should be natural we don't count Luffy in selecting the MVP of an arc.
@@Muffin11262 not exactly. Water 7 for example the mvp was Sanji even if we count Luffy. In Ennies Lobby they're both equally the mvps, cuz without Luffy they wouldn't defeat Lucci, but without Sanji they wouldn't have escaped. In Thriller Bark Zoro is the mvp, even counting Luffy, etc. Luffy is obviously the mvp most times, but not always
@@MoonS4444 sanji was badass in water 7 but I don't remember he achieved anything in that arc just like Luffy and zoro.
Ennies lobby, yes they probably wouldn't have but you could say the same thing for Luffy, couldn't have escaped without him either.
Yes, both would have been needed to stay alive, but one is still more important than the other.
In thriller bark, everyone would have died from oars alone let alone Kuma. Plus, Kuma would've only killed Luffy while oars and moria were about to kill everyone.
Zoro is considered the MVP of thriller bark mostly bcz of the level of loyalty he showed and a pretty good endurance feat.
@@Muffin11262 Sanji was the reason why the SH were able to go after Robin, since he followed the CP9 to the train.
There's no really a "more important" between Luffy and Sanji in Ennies Lobby. Without both, the whole crew would be doomed there.
Luffy defeats Lucci, but Sanji doesn't open the gate - they get cornered and captured by the marines.
Luffy doesn't manage to defeat Lucci - Lucci defeats the rest of the SH and no one escapes.
The whole crew together was responsible of defeating Oars. Nightmare Luffy didn't manage to defeat him before losing ALL the shadows. And then, when Kuma arrives, the whole crew is tired and Zoro offers his life (although Sanji wanted to do the same).
@@MoonS4444 if it's equal, then there is kinda no MVP of the arc.
And if we consider other things other than "helping the SHs escape", like who defeated a stronger opponent, then Luffy is the MVP.
Stronger opponent + helped the SHs escape or a weaker opponent + helped the SHs escape, the former is better
And Luffy also endured way more damage in return for escaping while sanji just had to open the gates.
So if we consider all those things and not just "helped the SHs escape", then the MVP is Luffy.
Yes, but Luffy also played a role and a major one at that in defeating oars. Then he alone defeated amped moria who was a threat to everyone there.
So he really should be the MVP bcz of that.
While zoro only saved Luffy.
Bro the MVP was lucci in this arc ,my poor man had to rumble with Luffy ,stussy,S bear,Zoro and Jinbei and was still standing 🫡🤣
I mean, by that logic, Sanji had S-Shark, Mars, Saturn, Nusjuro, Topman, Kizaru, random vice admirals. That's way worse than what Lucci went through 🤣
@@orphen923 bro at least he didn’t get beaten by a sun god ,knocked out by a vampire ,almost murdered by the king of hell and got punched by the boss of fishmans 🤣🤣
Having a 1 on 1 with kaido would be easier than that stuff 🤣poor lucci😢
But yea Sanji also saw some stuff ☝️
* standing and moving towards jinbei
@@rostandmarieminalambala1727 Lucci is HIM
He is the whitebeard of the CP0🫡🫡
@@saythatonemoretime9719Beaten by the sun god like many top tiers would've been, not to add that he get up in less than a min.
* Not even sûre that he even get k.oed
Bitten by a vampire in hybrid form( while him being in normal form ) using sea stone who admitted she's no match with him.
For me after that zoro atk he could've still go on
Jinbei used a smokescreen
If you actually think about the arc itself and look at each character, it’s obvious that other than Luffy, Wanji is THE MVP of this arc hands down. 🗣️🗣️
Ye
Tf has sanji done? Dude been getting washed by everyone and let VP die are y’all on copium because VP said he should be deleted? Because I’m pretty sure regardless of what VP said luffys order was “save vegapunk”
emeth clears
@@ghostsotelo5191
-saved Nami multiple times
-Saved Robin
-moved so fast he could save Edison from a laser that was already fired and was midair
-saved Kuma multiple times
-saved Bonney multiple times
-deflected Saturn's attacks
-did a feat Luffy and Zoro couldn't do, blocking a laser. Not once but twice. Zoro implied lasers are unblockable for him (not for Wanji) in Wano and Luffy was shown unable to block them in Egghead and had to tank them.
-extended Nusjuro's neck saving Franky and Bonney again
-was the only person to fight a seraphim in a 1v1 and win
-stopped Kaku instantly with his BIQ
-Every attack he took, he regenerated from. Ended the arc with 0 lasting damage.
That's what he did. The only massive L Sanji took, of letting VP die, was removed since it was planned and Sanji was in on it. So all in all, cope harder 🤷♂
@@ghostsotelo5191 Jesus christ, touch grass kid. VP already planned to die so Sanji did nothing wrong but go along with VP's goal.
sanji: *kicks a laser so hard it evaporates*
kizaru, the literal most qualified person to ask about lasers: "That literally isnt physically possible."
sanji: physics cant contain the power of love!
in terms of performance then its definently SANJI KUNN
Zoro was biggest liability this arc.
1)too slow to recognize similarities between King and seraphims
2)straw hats ended vulnarable because Jinbei needed to search for Zoro
3)stalling Lucci while his crew needs to escape island
I wouldn't go as far as to say zoro was the biggest liability since usopp exists
@@channel-sanji usopp saved the ship when it was falling down and he protected Robin from Saturn along with others.
For what he is supposed to do, he did good job.
On the other hand Zoro is vice captain and he put crew in risk with his stupidness (lost directions, unable to recognize flames on seraphim) and playing with Lucci instead of finishing him while others are in danger.
This was not his arc at all
@@Segorilla if zoro is a vice captain then usopp is a sniper. His work is sniping enemies in long and mid range and not fighting close range like against saturn. I m not saying he shouldn't have fought saturn with others but he should have been more active as a sniper. Egghead, unlike onigashima, is an open space, u can see however far u want. Usopp didn't had a fixed enemy so he could have easily provided a support and take out marine fodders
Whereas zoro at least saved the ship from kaku and protected the crew against gandhi.
@@channel-sanji you have a point
@@SegorillaSanji acts more like a vice captain than Zoro tbh.
My goatji would never lose
W
Sanji? Because he has in fact lost every fight post time skip and out of the 700+ episodes of post time skip he has won 1 fight 🤣
As A Sanji Fan,Except his Moments with Ladies😭🙏🙏Hope Oda give him W moments with Giants LadiesHe with Mermaids is 70/30,Viola 50/50
@@ghostsotelo5191that’s just not true
@@Bestkorok it is in fact true 🤣 sanjis only actual W is queen everyone else washed him even the people he tried sneak attacking like oven he did nothing to them 🤣
Conveniently forgetting my boy franky,
He's the real MVP, if anything, looking at their strength, Zoro, Sanji AND jinbei(especially jinbei) all underperformed this arc,
Franky's the real MVP, especially looking at what the expectations for him were
Yup
Why is Franky overlooked so much
Franky did jack shit in an arc that should’ve been about him
The real MVP is emeth, without him most of the strawhats would be dead or badly injured by now
Glad I'm not the only one who knows sanji and zoro was almost useless during egghead. The weak trio did more then them.
As a sanji fan, i think the giants collectively r the mvp of egghead.
1) saved escaping scientists from marines since saturn ordered navy to kill them
2) destroyed navy ships
3) engaged vice admirals
4) helped luffy in fighting elders
5) helped sanji and bonney in fighting gandhi
6) opened a path so that the strawhats could escape
Hahaha, man, the Zoro vs Sanji debate will never end until one piece ends, or maybe it will never end... for me, both of them did a great job in their roles as right and left hand of luffy
My king zoro beats that simp fraud every day of the week
@@Wendydeez76still don’t change the fact that zoro a terrible character with little to no depth
@@Akaxashi11 still more popular 🤡
Goku is a terrible character and still he is one of the reasons anime is at it's peak.
Same as Zoro, Zoro is the 2nd most popular op character throughout the years.
Sanji is just a simp.
@@ashokjadoun7384 don’t matter zoro sucks lol
@@Akaxashi11 he doesn't, that's why he is more popular than the character who barks
Sanji showed out this arc no doubt - loved his talk to vegapunks corpse last chapter
Zoro had better performance in wano , Sanji has better performance in Egghead. I like both them. To me, they are almost equally stronger and important to Luffy. But i feel like Sanji feats gets unnoticed. In the Thriller bark Zoro Iconic "Nothing Happened" moment, Zoro was sacrificing his ambition for luffy but Sanji was doing the same. So they both should get respect.
Looking at all these comments got me ashamed to know we got such idiots in the fanbase. It’s almost impossible for the fanbase to just enjoy what each straw hat brings to the crew because they are so caught up in narratives like this is a sports debate. From downplaying Ifrit Jambe on zoro stans side and downplaying King of Hell on Sanji stans side even to the extent of downplaying luffy for the sake of propping up Zoro or Sanji.
Zoro ain't even in the conversation lmao, bro did almost nothing this arc
Sanji is objectively the mvp of Egghead arc
To be fair, even if Zoro beat lucci earlier, what would he do then? Find his way back to the crew on his own somehow? I feel there's a reason Oda brought up his direction impairment at least twice in Egghead and then made Zoro wait until Jinbei showed up to defeat Lucci.. but mostly agreed. Personally, my MVP of Egghead is Kuma lol
He could've fought against the elders? Or protect the Sunny Crew? He might've got lost, but everywhere on the island, there's something happening, he would've bound to encounter someone or event that can impact their escape. Whether meeting with an ally to help or enemies to eliminate. And while Zoro has bad sense of direction, it's not like he's completely incapable of finding threats or threaten crewmates. Just like how he managed to saved Lilith or find Pica when he's hiding. Speaking of, he even got observation haki as well. Would've been easier to find his allies if he just use that.
@@zackfross98 how though if he can't find his way to them? I mean, Luffy sent Kaku to go with Zoro to find S-Hawk so he wouldn't get lost. And S-Hawk was still in relatively close proximity at that time. Zoro and Lucci were pretty far away from anyone else in the island, on top of Egghead being a giant science labyrinth. Mars was the only one to come remotely near Zoro pre Nusjuro clash, and even then, they missed each other despite both having Observation haki.
-also most of the elders were around Luffy, the only 2 that were free agents were Mars and Nusjuro. Mars is flying looking for the Den Den Mushi, so zoro coming across him randomly is a no.. and Nusjuro was preoccupied taking down the Pacifista along the coast of the island. Zoro was inland. There's no way he would've come across anyone if Jinbei hadn't found him. We also see how long it took Jinbei to actually reach Zoro and Lucci, confirming the distance was large.
It doesn't really deal with observation Haki though. Because imagine you hear a gunshot in the distance a mile away. You can tell where the shot came from directionally, but narrowing it down to even a city block in particular would be near impossible.
TLDR; Even though Zoro can sense these people, it doesn't mean he can navigate to them
i'm just sad it's not franky tbh. egghead should've been his arc thematically
Remember Sanji is always cooking. 😂😂😂😂 and you are a zoro fan and i am a sanji fan lets be honest but fair play to you because you didn't let you bias to influence the video result 💯💯💯
Thanks my boy your the only one that sees the real
@@SuperiorI.Q thanks mate sometimes i disagree with you but I always respect the work behind the content 👍🏻
@@SuperiorI.Q the War land arc will be insane the build up was since little garden 💯💯💯
@@thehonoredonerealhe’s NOT replying back to you😭🙅♂️😭🙅♂️
@@Mokloko2019 calm down he has his life and I have mine we are not all the time on yutube and we live in different countries and he has a lot of follower on yutube he can't reply all my comments but i'm sure he will read it
Honestly there is no "MVP" they both showed you why they are the 2 strongest on the crew. Zoro beating the strongest cp agent in the world government without much effort and Sanji damaging a gorosei proving to nusjuro that the straw hats are gonna be more troublesome than he initially thought. Same with Zoro he clashed with nusjuro pushing him back showing him again that they are not a crew to be taken lightly. They both did the same things in this arc only difference is Zoro had a 1 on 1 fight but Sanji didn't.
We can ell agree jinbei is the warehouse employee
Chopper the obvious mvp, he saved Law without even being there. Plus he tanked those attacks from Saturn, protecting Robin & Nami. Also presumably treated Stussy & Robin. My boy is Him.
Why is this even being asked? Luffy fights the strongest, Zoro gets the MOST hype and Sanji is the mvp. Tell the two piece fans to start at chapter 51.
Sanji needed this dub. The disparity in Wano feats was very clear
Am I the only one who was disappointed by the 5 elders they didn't achieve anything
They got 1 vegapunk. Who has knowledge of how to produce a mother flame.
They got 1 vegapunk. Who has knowledge of how to produce a mother flame.
They got 1 vegapunk. Who has knowledge of how to produce a mother flame.
@@tomlinsona0704 you didn't need to say it 3 times
@@RedLights9000-f3l I think oda was showing off their ridiculous power. To me they were each portrayed to be stronger than kizaru.
Yeah, Sanji take this win fairly, he was all over the place saving people.
@2:58 I think it's more that Franky, and also other crewmates like Jinbei and Brook, will often try contribute in situation to let the Monster Trio save their strength. Anything they manage to do lets the big guns focus on the big threats
Asthma attack Zoro lagged behind this arc
Hmph, I don’t know who was the MVP this arc. Sanji was (as usual) humiliated by Oda. He showed a badass scene and not long after was taken down while Zoro not log got a fight but also seem to be set as Nasjuro opponent
It just feel so…as usual. Zoro being the battle badass while Sanji must be the emotional badass
Cause, at least, Vegapunk confided in him. He may not only have been the closest to him as he was dying but clearly Vegapunk saw worth in Sanji.
But
The trend just goes on for me. Sanji gets badass moment only moments later get humiliated. While Zoro……….does not. And that’s frustrating to feel.
Well, I dont think Sanji got humiliated this arc, Kizaru kicks him in the face, and thats it, I mean, Sanji isnt at that level neither is Zoro, the outcome was kinda of expected, you cant have a good time carrying a body around.
Sanji manage to deflect Nasjuro sword and kick him in the face in little to no time, that bald guy bite him creating a horse head from his chest.
Sanji did a lot this arc, I think he is good, Zoro played with Lucci and clash with Nasjuro, witch ended up in nothing, even Lucci wasnt finished, it takes Jinbe to stop the fight, Zoro was in better shape, but the fight will keep a little if Jinbe didnt show up.
My boy wasnt humiliated this arc (aside from wanting to be a dog for stussy)
@@bananabarddev it’s exactly thoose moments that I count as humiliation
He kicked Kizaru laser only for another scene to immediately get kicked away. While carrying a body, can we really use that as an excuse? No we cannot
He kicked Nasjuro only for immediately that arrogant scum to manifest a head and bite him and later we see Sanji fumble on the ground
He gets frozen by Saturn and knocked back, with the only consolation that his head did not go with him
It’s these that I count as humiliation. Sanji doing a badass thing……..only for Oda IMMEDIATELY making like he took a hit.
And what does he do for Zoro? He fights, and fights. And clashes and clashes. But does he get humiliated? Are we to count a clash that ends in a draw as humiliation to him? Jinbei tech only blew away a defeated opponent, nothing more.
It’s not enough, it just look badass for Zoro. And Sanji do not get that
For even when one tries to downplay Zoro, it’s just it’s not there
That’s why I say with tears in my eyes, what I mean of Sanji being humiliated
Tbh the whole Lucci fight was humiliating for Zoro 😂 not only does he nerf himself for no reason, he needed to Jinbei to come and haul his ass back to the ship (which took protection away from the Sunny) and needed Sanji to tell him off in order to finally defeat Lucci. He put the whole crew in danger twice for being dumb. And sure, he got a block in with an Elder. But he also got sent flying and needed Jinbei to catch him like he was a baseball. Plus, he needed a combo with Jinbei to even get the block in. While Sanji was by himself. So I think they cancel out for sure.
@@madbuck2741 Zoro nerfed himself cause he was wanted to prove he could defeat Lucci easily. That’s not humiliation, that’s arrogance
After all no one takes strength and the symbol of it more the Luffy
He did endanger the crew but that’s not humiliation to him that’s just a flaw
And he needed Jinbei cause he would otherwise he would get lost, again a character comedy moment, not humiliation
As for the clash against Nasjuro, that’s was only there to confirm to the fans that Nasjuro has a Kitetsu and BOTH of them were knocked back. While Sanji was ONLY knocked back. It’s clear which Character Oda favors to give awesomeness and which one he does not
@@AngryAnimeFan2 dude you’re an idiot. Mocking the arrogance of a character is HUMILIATING. That whole situation makes Zoro look stupid and a horrible crewmate and is a mark against HIS CHARACTER in general. That he f*cked around while everyone is danger. Plus, the fact that Oda has Sanji, Jinbei, and Nami point out what a BURDEN Zoro was, is humiliating for Zoro.
It is humiliating because part of his job is to protect the crew and he literally out there playing with a cat while his crew are in danger 🤮 yeah it is a flaw. A HUMILIATING flaw.
Except it’s not funny here? No one finds that funny that Jinbei has leave the Sunny defenseless to find and bring back another member cause he’s too much of idiot to find them. Plus, SANJI having to call him out to get him to lock in is SAD 🙃
Also Jinbei being the one to knock Lucci away and carry Zoro is also pathetic, ngl.
Sanji actually got a hit on an elder 🙃 Like come on now. By your own point, Sanji got a hit and then Nusjuro got a hit. Just like Nusjuro and Zoro got a block and got pushed back. Sanji has regen so he was fine, exactly like Nusjuro was. And so both were fine after the hit. So your point makes 0 sense 😂 and add the fact that Zoro needed Jinbei’s help to even clash with Nusjuro 🤡
And let’s not add to the fact that Zoro’s comment to Luffy about being an emperor was a d*ck move, coming from an idiot who almost got his crew killed. Like nah, Oda didn’t make Zoro look good this arc as a character AT ALL.
Okay, I’m a Zoro fan and even I agree that Zoro not telling them that they were Lunnerds was dumb
W vid my goat about speaking about goat characters and goat comments 🗣️🔥🔥🔥
lets be clear about the sanji/bonnie/franky combo ... idk why people compare it to damaging luffy feat? .. whereas the entire attack altogether was transferred to mars which sent him flying all the way back to miles miles away... the balloon luffy form is meant to tank attack and recoil it back....the max (>80% power to send mars flying miles away comes from sanjis raw power...becoz a nika luffy sent saturn (similar size as mars) few hundred metres away using boomig dawn gatting...so i assume less or similar feat by bonnie and defn franky s attack will be weaker than hers but adding few hundred metres as well.. Rest power to send mars flying that far away comes from sanji...so thats no way an antifeat...and by the latest chapters we know mars was sent back to marijoia even before the joyboy coq haki scene...
I can't believe I didn't notice this before.. Sanji is literally a cook, and cooks take and give orders all the time.. so Sanji is excellent at doing stuff like that.. bro would make a perfect vice captain.
when the combined attack happens in the anime. I hope Toei gives Sanji a lot of love when he activates IJ Hell's Memories.
I see Zoro not taking major damage as a massive W since it’s like the first time ever
I think in Elbaf Zoro & Sanji going to fight 1v1 Extreme Battle. I mean the whole Rivalry of Zoro & Sanji is Starts with Little garden arc. So Elbaf is Perfect place for they both fight each other in extreme Battle. After all It is a Warrior Island so they definitely conduct some sort of Warrior battle games.
Rivalry is when one is stronger and weaker at some point
Lol zoro has always been stronger
And extreme diff?😂😂
@@parmar__12 yes probably hard to extreme. They aren’t that far in strength
@@cblin1978 they're like a tier apart
@@parmar__12they aren’t? where are you getting this information from, youtube comments?
@@yo-kaikid76 from reading manga ,
Sanji has no feats even close to zoro 🤣
People keep saying Sanji let Vegapunk died is a L, but Vegapunk need to die for the plot to continue then whoever in sanji position CAN NOT SAVE Vegapunk including you guys precious Zoro,. If sanji what the biggest L of this arc for helping the plot to continue then Zoro is the random fodder that have nothing to do with the plot, lmao. You guys are f*cking pathetic for downplaying sanji because one essential moment of the plot and need to admitted that sanji is better than zoro in Egghead.
Makes sense. Zoro was getting trolled with memes on this arc which I don't usually see often.
You forgot to give Zoro a point Everytime he breathes.
Zoro wasn’t even in half the arc, he did like 3 things and one of em has wheezing his lungs out against lucci
…
I've paid my dues
Time after time
I've done my sentence
But committed no crime
And bad mistakes
I've made a few
I've had my share of sand
Kicked in my face
But I've come through
And we mean to go on and on and on and on
We are the champions, my friends
And we'll keep on fighting till the end
We are the champions
We are the champions
No time for losers
'Cause we are the champions of the World
I've taken my bows
And my curtain calls
You brought me fame and fortune
And everything that goes with it
I thank you all
But it's been no bed of roses
No pleasure cruise
I consider it a challenge before
the human race
And I ain't gonna lose
And we mean to go on and on and on and on
We are the champions, my friends
And we'll keep on fighting till the end
We are the champions
We are the champions
No time for losers
'Cause we are the champions of the World
We are the champions, my friends
And we'll keep on fighting till the end
We are the champions
We are the champions
No time for losers
'Cause we are the champions of the World
I’m confused on how this is even a debate Sanji Atlas and Franky are the MVP’s of this arc💯
Sanji is always more interesting when it comes to lore, in my opinion.
Zoro's hole is always to do the peak fights and that kinda thing
What interesting did sanji did in dressrosa
Fishman punk hazard and wano?then zoro
@@parmar__12What do you mean?
@@parmar__12Sanji saved Tashigi, G5, kids, fought with Vergo when Zoro only killed dragon and fought with Monet. In addition Zoro didn't kill Monet and because of that all crew almost died because she exploded whole laboratory.
@@Samurai10320 sanji saved tashigi?
That's was interesting?
Fought vergo for a minute and was breaking his own bones ?
That's was interesting??
Zoro didn't kill monet because of that whole crew almost died?
Do you know how many times sanji has played stupid which would have let his crew or captain die?
Like beating the living shit Outta him in a yonko territory?
@@parmar__12Yes, Sanji saved Tashigi. Also Sanji kick Vergo 2 times and hurt him but you just ignored that fact because you want to downplay him. Just remember how many times Zoro was hurt by someone but for zorotards it's nothing, just plot.
I feel like Luffy and the ancient robot are the mvp of the arc
Put some respect on Frank’s name🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥
I stopped at the point where Zoro was stalling for 6 months. So now he's considered in MVP discussion?
Bro went into this video knowing DAMN well Sanji is the MVP😭it isn’t even close this arc
Franky and Bonnie big revelations of the arc.
For escape arcs Sanjis speed and movement just make him way to useful. That's why he was the focus of whole cake and egghead. And during the fighting arcs like dressrosa or wano Zoro gets the attention.
Zoro fans just can't accept their L and only want to downplay sanji . They are just sore losers. Anyone can see in all of cooment section that zoro fans are just being annoying. 😂😂😂
Are sanji fans any better tho
@@RimuruTempest-wl1ruI am a sanji fan myself and I agree that Sanji fans aren't much better
@@RimuruTempest-wl1ru it's much less still. i always see sanji fans trying to defend the point that zoro vs sanji is extreme diff fight but zoro fans are always saying that it's mid or low diff.
@@RimuruTempest-wl1ruthey are a little better but still pretty bad. zoro fans are definitely worse tho.
Bro zoro only loses to a select few people and sanji will never be one
Cope
As a Zoro fan I know Zoro is stronger than Sanji BUT when the crew needed Zoro he was playing woth Lucci when he could've just used a few named attacks and deal with Lucci in maybe 2 Chapters Sanji was in that field saving crew members where is Zoro for 10 damn Chapters like damn
Sanji was in the field letting the smartest man in the world die in his arms. That’s gonna forever be a worse L than anything zoro did this arc. Overall Sanji def had more clutch moments tho.
@@kingmanga8575Have you read the latest chapter?
@@infernityable1369yeah,
Either you're saying "sanji didn't hear to his captain orders but a old man "
Vegapunk was literally begging Sanji to let him die. @@kingmanga8575
@@infernityable1369 if ur point is that vegapunk wanted to die that’s irrelevant.
Luffy told sanji to protect him. Sanji had one job. Get vegapunk to safety. Instead he got vegapunk killed almost immediately after being put in sanjis care.
Honestly, based on the points you included and deducted, I would say they tied.
Zoro not immediately defeating Lucci is not worth a negative point, same with Sanji letting Vegapunk get attacked. I had them at 6 to 6 by the end, though obviously it's open to interpretation.
Sanji didn't only defeat the seraphim by himself he cut he's arme too.
Sanjis my favourite .
Always has been always will be .
So I was so vindicated when Jinbe had to step in and one-shot Zoros fight, then Sanji deflected Kizarus laser . .
Unless one is a hardcore fanboy, who Egghead MVP is already obvious.
He knows Zoro and Sanji aren't the MVP he said so himself at the beginning of the video he's just doing what Zoro and Sanji fans have been asking him to do in his comments.
@@spring_barger6575 who do you think is the MVP, personally?
@@onepieceyamato2901 honestly there is no mvp, ppl just use their opinions on who did the smartest and best plays to carry this arc.
@@gooeysad2058 yeah. But in one way, we don't need someone to acts wonderfully to choose the mvp (like water 7-sanji), just who perform the highest among nakama. So there's always mvp in each arc.
So basically zoro needs to be missing 90% of the arc for sanji to perform similar to zoro 🤣
Good takes on the arc, also can't remember what beat was playing in the background, madeintyo??
I think it's Number One, from Bleach
Ignoring the fact that you’re obviously super biased towards sanji, you’re right. Egghead is one of the very rare arcs where Sanji outperformed zoro.
To be fair, you cant say kizaru blitzed sanji when sanjis priority was escape and not the fight.
it would have been the funniest twist if at the end you added Franky to the tally
Also you skipped where sanji was in the air and blocked the mini lasers from hitting Bonney and Kuma. As well as him being the one to make zoro lock in
count is messed up …Using 3 swords doesn’t mean he’s going harder …we’ve seen zoro put swords away just to use a 1 sword style shi shi lion song .
Thats different
I dont remember any named attack where he uses 2 swords post time skip
1 sword style diminishes strength but boosts speed
While 3 swords is all about power
Sanji got absolutely violated this arc every single feat he got was immediately erased seconds after with a L 😂
this seems really one sided while you could argue that zoro shoud have identified the lunarian traits faster with out him even being there to tell them we dont know how the arc would have ended up and u should not deduct a point for "not finishing a fight fast enough" like bro and u sped or somthing he won just give bro his point💀
I think deducting point for for Zoro being a "burden" (as Sani said) when the strawhats were planning on escaping was justified but ur forgetting he gave him his point for winning the fight as well. I also u made a decent point with the Lunarian stuff but I personally think he messed up there and Zoro himself took accountability for it.
@@spring_barger6575 The fact that onebody else would know what to do about the seraphim even the vegapunks did not know why they were not taking damage. while yes zoro did take a while to tell them if he was not there well it would not have even gone well for everyone. And yes i agree he should have hurried up his fight and not be a burden but lets be for real sanji calling zoro a burden does not mean he actually is one
@@Stoick18 yh Zoro Informing them about the lunarian stuff even if he was late was helpful but if he hadn't told them know at all luffy would have been forced to go Gear 5 and maybe even use ACOC, which let Zoro defeat flames-on lunarians with his dragon damnation attack, to subdue the seraphim which would have cost him alot of stamina but we know how fast old man luffy can recover with some food so at the end of the day it wouldn't have been too detrimental like ur implying. So I still stand by the fact that it was worthy of a point reduction. And yes Sanji saying Zoro was a burden doesn't automatically make him a burden but u still agreed with the point I was trying to make so not much to say.
@@spring_barger6575 by that point kizaru and saturn would have arrived on top of the seraphim it indeed would have been detramental.
shut up zorotards.. their plan was to escape and fighting lucci for 20 chapters (1 year) is just embarrassing
Bro do this with other arcs too make this a series
you gave sanji a point for hitting Ghandi( and he was literally fine after the attack) but you didn't subtract a point for sanji getting attacked back? they both were fine so the point should have canceled each other out
a point for saving Bonney and Franky
Hahaha sanji wins🔥🔥🔥
Even animators are with Zoro and add filler things for sanji to look like he is weak but after all sanji wins😂😂
How is sending mars home and doing the most damage after luffy to him is not a feat? That ain't no anti feat that's g5 luffy the mc who was playing with yonko kaido at the end ofc he didn't get burned he screamed it hurt him though 😑
But anyways he was getting nerfed here and still won he is the MVP
5:42 Man, Sanji wishes Nami was his girl.
I am convinced Oda just wanted to keep zoro away from the rest of the arc cause he would have fucked up the tension (just like in dressrosa there was fujitora to keep him away from doffy).
That's the same reason why he didn't make yamato join (she will join later).
Cause like why the fuck would he stall Lucci if he could have one shotted him in any moment.
dont forget luffy is resistant to fire as said by kaido
Sanji was the mvp of the whole arc sanji was the first one to fight the elders he protected vegapunk in the arc and Bonnie a lot
I mean Luffy did most of the fighting this arc, and Zoro did clash against a Gorosei using one of the best swords on the planet… Sanji pulled his weight as well with the Stella but to try and pit them against each other this arc is kinda smooth brain. I get Wano or Dressrosa but egghead was more about lore building and luffy.
My goat spittin what I was spittin 😭
Soooo them having to send someone out to retrieve zoro because he’s taking to long isn’t a point deduction?
True but I kinda already deducted the fact that he was trolling with lucci
if he finished early the dude wouldve gotten lost lmao. felt like oda kept him busy for that reason
@@SuperiorI.Q idk if I see it that way the situation at hand is of upmost importance the island is about to be destroyed speed is crucial. The argument for him going easy or not being serious doesn’t make sense with the context of everything that’s going on.
Sanji was definitely the mvp this arc
Sanji is always the Clutch guy !!!!
I love healthy agenda piece ❤
What episode is this 13:19
You will never see one piece while we defeat kaido? 😑😐
Ur pfp
@@Drunkgg775 what are you saying
@@FifthEmperor56 nothing, you need to watch one piece and I don't hear you anything about it? Everyone can see you.
Kaku and Lucci are awakened Zoan haki users. Lucci obviously high commander level able to survive gear fifth. Downplaying Zoro beating both of them and coming out unphased in one arc is crazy considering the things you gave sanji points for and didn’t take points for.
Wanji for MVP🥱
Sanji is my favorite character but this debate is so stupid. Oda has always portrayed Zoro and Sanji as equals and the only people who think differently are brain dead idiots with agendas.
portrayed them very relative with a slight edge to zoro. First mate, swordsman of the crew (essentially just a combatant in profession), zoro has fought the second strongest opponent most arcs, he's even fought and performed against main villains of a few arcs, adding onto this, his KOH amp being seemingly superior to sanji's amp as most top tiers see this amp as ridiculous, and we saw what it did for luffy. Sanji has taken countless L's against main villains, other women, etc. This is not to discredit Sanji, but to say they've always been portrayed as equals makes no sense, their rivalry portrays them as relaitve to one another, feats, statements, goals, etc gives Zoro the edge, this much is objectively true. In terms of narrative significance of course neither one takes an edge, every straw hat is equal in this category aside from Luffy being our actual main and central character.
you could even pursue the point that their rivalry is portrayed as equal, which I could agree with, though it still wouldn't discredit essentially every other point.
The only people that think sanji and zoro are equal are sanji fans 🤣
Idk what show you been watching but Zoro has always been shown to be above sanji
@@ghostsotelo5191why they always tryna say equals like it’s a fact🤦♂️
@@true__legends13because its makes sanji look better
this metric is kind of stupid, in universe sanji is doing a bunch of little things while zoro is taking care of a strong enemy for the entire time, by your logic zoro should get a point for every chapter hes fighting off screen for
i see that dexter instrumental at 7:32
If u wont deduct points for sanji getting bit then his hit shouldnt count
getting hit by a gorosei and taking 0 damage is equal to blocking a gorosei’s attack and damaging him? these takes are getting wild…
Basically Zoro was in Naruto half arc
Ngl I would argue Sanji had the better feat against Nusjuro than Zoro. Not only did he make him bleed, he speed blitz and blocked his Haki up sword. Him getting hit by Nusjuro is ONLY a result of him having to carry Vegapunk and he still tanked it.
He didn't actually blitz him Nusjuro was trying to kill Bonney and wasn't expecting Sanji to show up so Sanji got a sneak attack of. Also I don't see how him carrying Vegapunk impacted anything Nusjuro clearly had the upperhand once he figured out what was happening. Sanji did get a good hit in, but the feat is definetly overrated
@@debater452 Sanji announced himself and yelled before attacking Nusjuro and even order Franky OUTLOUD to leave Nusjuro to him, so it wasn’t no sneak.
And carrying Vegapunk did play a part as Sanji was more worried about Vegapunk body than his own, hence why he let go of Vegapunk before he got hit by Nusjuro.
@@WhiteBeard640 Nusjuro was still trying to kill Bonney he was in a vonurable possition. Sanji could have troped hi because he was bitten. Nusjuro was clearly winning the skirmish and if he wasn't focusing on trying to kill Bonney Sanji probably wouldn't have gotten that hit of
@@debater452 Again Sanji yelled, announced himself, and order Franky to not fire his laser, he has given Nusjuro every indication that he is there, so it’s not a “sneak”. If Nusjuro chose to underestimate Sanji and ignore all the signs that Sanji is approaching, that’s his fault.
@WhiteBeard640 Well, I think Zoro's feat was superior because he went against Nusjuro's haki equally and elders haki was constantly hyped in this arc everybody were shocked how strong their haki was. Making gorosei bleed is not that hard they have not shown great durability (except for warcury) like Bonny made Saturn bleed easily so making them bleed is not that impressive. Zoro had equal Haki clash with Nusjuro so I think that's much more impressive give how hyped their haki is.
Can't wait until both are Yonko+ level
Zoro Fans: ❤️🩹
Point Eliminations: 💔
Both characters are goated. Despite being in less than half the arc, zoro almost made a comeback. Insane. But he started fighting lucci with two swords so that point reduction was kinda bias. But that's just me😂😂
has sanji ever save lufffy ever
What does this have to do with who did better on Egghead Island?
The Stussy and Vegapunk deductions kinda pointless 😭😭
Just going to point out some things & not trying to use any slander work,
1) You combined two different things like Sanji getting an eye attack from Saturn and made everyone stick to the floor as -1 point for 2 separate things.
2) you deducted a point for Zoro while he cannot help rest from Labophase because of the barrier and he stuck with Lucci so, even if he beat Lucci he would still be unable to help the guys below 🤷🏻♂️
3) Again you combined two different things letting Kizaru pierce VP and getting hit are two things (for example IF Sanji had prevented Kizaru piercing VP but took a hit how would you have rated that!?)
4) this feels a little biased imo when u deduct point for Zoro for just stalling Lucci but did not minus a point for Sanji when he got put by Nusjuro and Bonney and Giants stopped Nusjuro.
5) this one is a nick pick 😅, you gave a point for Sanji deflecting Saturn leg but didn't minus a point for Kizaru piercing Sanji and the rest while Kuma protected Bonney when Kizaru cut the elevator and used lasers!
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Btw I am not voting for Zoro to be MVC because he didn't have a similar amount of involvements like Sanji. (Could be Oda holding him back, because he didn't get hit once in this arc ON Panel, no Asura, no KOH mode or bandana seriousness)
Zoro be like in this arc "Oden lend me a haki, i'm goin' take care a black cat in black history month🐱😋"
Or sanji he like daddy please activate your genes or jimbe eclipses me
@@parmar__12first of all it's Sanji's birthright not some magical sword lend from a 'dead man' and one kick can send that Fishman to where it belongs.
@@PraveenYadav-xn1by lol that magical sword doesn't have anything of it own 🤣🤣🤣
It uses user's haki in excess only give that sword to sanji and he would shrink up in that place in seconds with his weAkass haki 🤣🤣
And his daddy genes is carrying him still he's relative to jimbe and in water jimbe beat the living shit Outta sanji 🤣
@@parmar__12didn’t zoro need help from odins haki AND sanji’s motivation to beat a pts villain who got low diffed by luffy this arc?
@@yo-kaikid76 sanji's motivation 🤣🤣🤣
Where was this man's motivation himself when Saturn was about to kill bonney and man couldn't even Move 🤣
How can this lame character motivate others but not himself?
So what's sanji now cheerleader of the crew 🤣not a cook anymore lmao
And talking about low diff ? didn't sanji got eye diffed by Saturn tho?🤣
Buggy was the MVP I don’t what you yapping about