Verbally I made the mistake of stating aoko’s s1 gives 2 bullets instead of 3, I apologize, rest assured all damage calculations are correct and calculates her S1 as giving 3 bullets
At 26:45, regarding the way to buff her extra attack. There is another way to buff it actually which is Append Skill 1 which gives 30-50% Extra attack effectiveness
Is that additive or multiplicative with her built in extra attack buffs in her kit. If it's additive I'm not sure how impactful that append skill will be. Since she can already boost her extra attack so much. Multiplicative would go crazy though. But I don't have her so this is just me theorycrafting. I might be wrong
Tbh i kind understand why they nerf her aoe attack But its only makes sense if there are 2 or more buster cards Also the damages of aoe attack should be based on number of enemies
I want to know why they made so many of her 1st NP buffs removable! You can only use it once but iirc the buster and extra card bonuses are both removable?!
@@reishiki8682 lore reasons aside, since Aoko stays in Super Mode for the whole battle, I feel it would be better if you could choose how she starts in battle. Like Melusine.
@@diogofernandes4973Lol, you're just not satisfied with "X SHOULD be a broken Servant but isn't really". And that's why you want something that's easy to use, doesn't require much thought and just fire and forget kekw. @ekcmanga5908 If they did, then she's no different than Melusine, but actually worse since her Redshift form gets her facecards nerfed and all you get is just your generic Arts NP with a cool animation
Something to note is that after a same-type brave chain (ex : AAAE chain or NPAAE chain for aoko), the extra attack gets a higher attack multiplier (350% instead of 200%, 175% instead of 100% for Aoko). But still not worth using probably (you'd prefer to save her magic bullets for her NP).
Aoko's kit is quite interesting for sure. But for a reason that I will not specify here I will unironically save quartz for her like I saved for Maou Nobbu.
31:22 Since I want Tonelico (and get her to NP5) I was planning to get Aoko to use her along with her, but I'm not convinced. I'd better stick to classic support and probably summer Chloe.
Once Foreigner class score releases, without a doubt she's gonna be the servant that benefits the most of it. Kuku will remain insanely powerful, Koyan Dark will be even stronger, but Aoko in particular is going to get A LOT back in the Extra and Buster department. She feels kinda like Arcueid; with low-mid investment, she's just ok at best. For those who hyper invest tho? 120 max appends Aoko with maxed class score is probably bonkers. I legit hope she has a future in the game, perhaps even getting buffs to solve this unnecessary extreme balancing towards making her the "not second coming of Kukulkan". Her top tier animations deserve the power to show them off often.
@@morsayxd like Plushie said, she is a case of overbalancing. For everything she has that may seem "busted", there is a downside. Her Buster and Extra performances are halved compared to other servants, making her AoE honestly kinda weak - only players who hyper invest into her (AKA a minority) will see them actually doing something. What's more, the first NP, which buffs her Buster and Extra, consists of a REMOVABLE effect, even though they're a permanent buff for the transformed state. Buff removal is frankly quite common in harder fights, many times happening upon breaking an HP bar. Her Supereffective niche is inconsistentas she demands too many Magic Bullets to be relevant, so she has to have dead turns to stack them enough for damage to be really significant; the Extra attack consuming all bullets is a huge offender for this issue, as even with CD reduction stacking S1 Magic Bullets is a tad hard. Lastly, her NP gain lowered in Super form coupled with the fact that her pre-transformation S2 gets blocked post transformation really seals the deal.
@@VitorAntas bro every unit has a downside. We are talking about a unit that have aoe dmg on fc and even if her dmg is halved on extra and buster on paper , on practice her dmg is still significant , buff removal is common but isnt present in every 2 fight , her magic bullet gimmick is far better than most considering some unit that are wanked to shit like ibuki only have their gimmick against one type of enemy. You are calling "ok" a unit that has a 100% battery and can give 50% to the entire team , which is ludicrous. Not only that she has a solemn def on a 4t cd and get 5 magic bullet which is enough for the standard niche , yet you want to call the magic bullets "inconsistent" when some servant just have no niche in some fight. no talking about the fact that she has 2 skillsets and give 10% charge passively to the whole party and 5 stars. Yet all that is just ok to you. Sheesh , this community scaling is wild , especially when most of this game content isnt even hard.
@@morsayxd She's only just OK because for all her complexity she doesn't meaningfully push the envelope in any direction, and has limited best use cases: she's not good for farming, she's not good for TAs, and needs high investment and commitment to understanding her kit for mixed play. In the end what she's a natural fit for is Castoria stall in CQs, which she's a good unit for but unremarkable given the solved nature of the playstyle.
@@NephilmX she is amazing in farming , TA is irrelevant and the rest is a skill issue thing and the last argument is still a strong point she has above other unit , the stall is better than with morgan stall team too.
The whole thing sounds like the only thing dragging her down is the mechanics of the AOE normal attacks. The other flaws become easily excusable if this wasn't the case and more team options open up. However because it is a game mechanic it is extremely unlikely to ever be changed.
The only thing thar drags her down is the need to NP before getting a real one and having no proper self charge in the base form, Its reverse jekyll he can transform easily but then gains nothing, she has a hard time transforming but becomes good.
@@GS_CCCShe gets worse as Blue!Aoko with regular cards in exchange for a damaging NP, a nerfed Buster+Extra card damage in exchange for doing AoE damage and getting new skills that are situational half the time. You'll want her NOT in her NP most of the time.
@@reishiki8682 no she doesn't she becomes capable of looping the np, who cares about the buster and extra could have that go to 0% dmg mod, you will just click the arts for chains anyway. How is that skill 1 and 2 are situational?
@@reishiki8682Don't even waste your time, this guy above is a walking meme in the community, that thinks the game is basically farming. That being said, she doesn't really gets worse when she goes Super Aoko. True, her Buster is pretty much useless in my opinion, too low of a damage for it to matter, but her NP is potent, and as an AoE Foreigner, she is among the top.
Her kit is a controlled mess where everything somehow works, the only thing that seems like they added last minute is this AOE Face Cards gimmick which to be honest is pretty useless since she only has one Buster Card in her DPS form and spending all the Magic Bullets on her Extra Attack is a waste
Yeah Idk why they think Permanent buff for 1 buster card is a good Idea anyway. Like besides the 3 turn crit buff the ramp up NP is too wasteful for a full charge. Like what do you go? Ooga booga with 1 Buster or go Arts Looping? Not to mention normal Aoko skill 2 and 3 is never gonna be used because they share CD.
@@ohongphong9235 because it hits like a truck and is aoe, she bombs stars like crazy and with van gogh and summer BB could probably 3 turn off of buster crits depending on the node
@@nah-dx3wcExcept : 1.) You NEED to get her Buster cards on turn 1, because one of them turns into an Arts card post-Redshift 2.) The damage from her Buster+Extra attack is nerfed to compensate being an AoE attack 3.) If the sole Buster card you get on turn 1 gets turned into an Arts card then your BB cardlock play is screwed right from the get-go
Just the fact that she's Aoko is enough for me, I've been waiting for her for years. Best servant this year unless summer decides to finally give us what we've been begging for years.
A single NP interlude fixes the worst parts of her kit imo. Bumping those buster and extra damage up numbers to double that would go a long way to making her AOE face cards less embarassing then they can slap a QOL buff like NP gain rate or something to make her arts cards a little better. Here's hoping that actually happens at some point. Still gonna whale for her. Aoko best girl.
While more interesting of a kit I also feel it's less functional. Like if I wanted to stall I'd grab my Castoria, Merlin or Tamamoo and if I wanted to farm I'd use someone more suited for that. So for me Aoko gameplaywise doesn't really have a purpose other than being the first summonable unit with AoE Buster & Extra cards, that's it just a gimmick.
[Super] Aoko works best for dealing with wave 2 or 3 in 90++ multi core setups. She actually is really strong with Arcuid too because Arc’s 3rd skill and NP gives Aoko charge (at least 50% total) on top of Arc own 100% battery on 2nd skill to deal with Wave 1. Wish Super Aoko’s NP (and deck in general) was more Buster orientated though to synergize better with that 20-50% Buster up permanent uptime from using normal Aoko NP. Normal Aoko should have been more Arts orientated with more emphasis as a support role considering Normal Aoko has a skill that gives party 20% battery every turn.
I really love that double Aoko and Tonelico/Morgan team. Those charges are crazy and made Tonelico/Morgan alot better. Hoping to save for next year and the next 2 years.
What would be Aoko's append priority? Extra buff or mana loading first? It seems obvious, but I am honestly doubting myself given everything she has going on. Thanks for the video!
I see ironic that that Aoko is so complex when in Mahoyo out of her true Magic she only shoot Magic bullets, and Alice the one with the complex magecraft of invocation and semi reality control is way more simple in game
I believe the intent behind losing the S2 buff after transformation is that it literally turns into the passive, so it wouldn't make sense to have both at the same time. Sure, you could've differentiated them a bit more so it wouldn't be necessary, but so much of the game's mechanics are already defined by flavor, I kinda feel like ship has long sailed on that one. Even Aoko's Territory Creation and Item Construction are only there to show how much she sucks at magic. I also assume this is the same reason her NP gain is so gimped after transformation: she has to have a passive for her magic circuits, so the rest of the kit has to allow for it.
Wait, her AoE cards deal half damage to all targets? I thought she dealt full damage to the selected target and half to the other targets on screen, damn. Well, at least I rolled her cause I like her gameplay and her NP has one of the coolest animations in the game IMO. Great video.
Altho she gonna get really strong when the class score for foreigner unlocks since tons of crit increase on all cards plus all cards get buffed plus 50 percent more extra attack damage soooooo yeh can’t wait to see how she gonna change when that foreigner class score comes
I am quite content with Aoko because they don't make Type moon heroines OP maybe because they know they already are a fan favourite so they don't need to spike the hype by making them op. At the same time I love how Aoko just doesn't fit the norms, this is one of the few servants which makes fgo players actually read and understand the servant before putting it into action. We already have explosive servants fighting with explosive servants for that number 1 title so its kind of a nice fresh air seeing a servant who's just not like anything we've ever seen.
@@Dorrovian you could say that but talking about power dynamics usually leads to a power hierarchy where Arcuied isn't even able to beat her own class competitors. She's good no shade just nothing ground breaking which is what everyone is after.
If Tamamo gets a buff related to her NP or one skill buff that mirrors Koyanskaya this will bring out the potential of Aoko to fruition imo. Regardless of that, Aoko just as she is is simply too fun to use in mixed teams and she basically doesn't have to tie herself to a specific comp to be used.
perfect lengthy video for munching snacks to 💯 definitely won't hurt to learn more about her strengths and weaknesses, but even if aoko isn't meta i'll personally still try to np5 her and perhaps alice bcuz mahoyo sweep baby 🧎♀️
even at np1 she would have been great on y account since i have both buster and arts supports. but it was not meant to be, even as i spent hours getting 4 servants above bond 10 to give me the goods and it was not enough
I think there needs to be maths done regarding her Extra card. I'm pretty sure it should be situationally more powerful than her NP cards. Keep in mind that Extra cards can also be powered up by Append 1 and Class Score (when unlocked) so there's definitely ways for it to out-perform her NP, assuming the Invul Pierce and/or Def Ignore is not needed. Also, keep in mind that Extra cards in a Triple Card-Type Brave Chain (unsure about Mighty chain) have a 350% card modifier instead of the usual 200% on a regular Brave chain.
Ok even it’s possible why bother , most cases you would rather use her NP still regardless, the np doesn’t even waste all the bullets if you have over 10
@@PlushieMistress In terms of solo runs, lower NP levels actually makes her Extra more appealing to use. NP1 with 8 starting stacks and max Append 1 as well as all of Super Aoko's buffs will result in her Same-Color Extra doing 1653.75% damage while her NP does 1176.12%. Even with team support, unless you can ensure that Aoko can have a persistent amount of Arts Up and/or NP Damage Up buffs, there will be windows where using her Same-Color Extra will result in much more damage. I'm just mentioning it because I feel that it's an outlook that's being missed atm and if someone wants to min-max Aoko's damage, they need to also take this into consideration. EDIT: Apparently, Mighty Brave Chains do not get the boosted 350% Extra modifier but gets the base 200% Extra modifier. Makes it less appealing and harder to make her Extra attack be useful unless solo-ing or by some miracle of god.
Nice video dude! Aoko may not be an explosive, out of the box farmer or dps, but her kit is super interesting and allows for some interesting team synergies / experimentation. Servants with interesting kits are a huge draw for me.
Hey plusie, nice details hot take video u made recently, i hope u keep this quality even if it takes longer for us to watch. Can u make her NP damage test with oberon and max her passive plz! Again hope u will get more recognition and viewer in our community!!!
My team with Aoko support is double Koyan Light, Arcueid and Aoko, I focus in buffing Arcueid and in the final wave I will have Aoko and Arcueid Np available because of Arcueid's np charge, this is not a good team I think but is better than double Koyan, Arcueid and mystic code with cooldown reduction, not big of a deal I just commentig how Im using Aoko.
They already fixed the problem she has. Ptolemy and Melusine are in the game, even jekyll got a charge buff to transform(well he turns into nothing). If they wanted AoE to be usable we have mechanics like saber turning all her cards into buster etc. She was intentionally gimped for no reason.
I absolutely adore double Aoko and Tonelico setup! It's so much fun to do it Aoko has very unique kit and playstyle. I wish she'd have at least two buster cards in her deck after transformation but in general I love when they ate trying new things not just your standard 3turn farming unit (we have plenty already I want new, unique stuff) so I am happy with her and just so glad both Aoko and Alice are in fgo now! 🥹
Jack of all trades master of none. Also firm believer having foreigner passive is bad because van gogh support is busted so kits are nerfed to compensate.
It's just so weird which servants devs over or undertune. If only we had more frequent balance changes instead of once in a blue moon strengthening quests. Will she get one I wonder, anni is right around the corner, but her chances aren't great and besides she still good just not "the best".
@@boatsbowl4404 since 99.9% of the gameplay is farming and you can easily skip the challenge in bosses/CQs with commands/bluecubes + suplist Yes of course you use farming as the gameplay reason. Even if she was better for CQs 1 or 2 battles a month that aren't really relevant.
@@GS_CCC so tldr is farming brainrot. Also you say it's 99.9 and elsewhere you say 90%. If you're gonna die on this hill then at least be consistent with your numbers.
I think you may have underestimated her potential for crit support. Her base form's 3rd skill is strong, even if the demerit nullification isn't useful for the main DPS. The 2 turn CD on her 1st skill makes it so she's going to be making a ton of stars over time, especially with 2030 ce. The 2nd skill gives 20% np per turn, which is also very strong. She can even help by doing some damage with her own crits, since the bullets give her a 50% attack buff. It's not going to be optimal, but using her as a support to enable crits has its merits. Merlin is going to be better, but maybe you want to use Oberon 😂
Hopefully in the future she will be buffed to be able to use NP turn 1 with only Castoria's AoE 30% charge. Right now she isn't really worth for most repeatable content. Or they could add the effect that all facecards turn into Aoko buster cards the turn she uses the transformation NP, this way she may be able to kill the wave.
No actually, at least not without wasting damage buffs because you still need to commit battery charge skills to trigger her transformation. So if you take one extra turn to transform castoria’s atk up, how own skill 3, and the missiles from her skill 1 activated before transforming will run out on turn 4
@@PlushieMistress yeah I get that but would the 40% attack up make that much of a difference? From your video it seems she has pretty decent t3 damage anyway so I feel like it would at least be a viable strategy and worth mentioning Edit: oh I forgot about her skill 3 lol ok yeah I see yeah the t3 damage might be pretty horrible with that setup
A 40+ minute analysis of Aoko and zero mention of Dual Aoko setups which is where she shines in multicore... Double Aoko with Morgan, Tonelico and Archetype Earth are solid setups.
@@LuniSqyeah and they’re bad, lol, just because a content creator comes up with a fun comp doesn’t mean they are good including many videos I do. Its fun over practical for most content bc nobody wants to see boring practical stuff
This is why Alice is the true prize of the collab. Not the loud, thick headed, foul mouthed, hollowed brained, reckless, arrogant, ignorant, vulgar, incompetent, ill mannered, abusive, rude, gullible, brutish berserker that is Aoko Aozaki
I think most criticisms are too focused on just farming which drags her value down a bit. Guess this means people got a wake-up call that "facecarding exists".
Well, the game is mostly farming so makes sense the criticism is focused on farming, if anything the importance of CQ/bosses is really inflated when talking about a servant.
90% of the game is just farming. It would have been a different story if this story has other game mode for end game content instead just one CQ, 2 if they are generous, per event.
@@owo4288 90% is being generous to CQs/main quest, even if you just use your daily AP on JP you will be doing 9 nodes daily and 6 during events, its a minimum of 180 nodes per months, its probably closer to 99.9%.
@@kingkunta3753 no, on JP you only have enough daily AP for 9 nodes a day outside of events and 6 during, it takes little of no time to farm all you need on the day, especially since you can't use all in one go because it needs to recharge
Sometimes Type moon need an easy balance servant, Aoko already a repeating tragedy from before. I'm overall disappointed of the over balancing effect, still though nice np song and design.
Pretty easy skip for me, I love the fact that they're experimenting with Servant skillsets (albeit almost 10 years in) but because of how the core game is structured (and because they're not the best at balancing character gimmicks) it's just not for me. It's funny how many Servants could be fixed (quite easily) if they just got their heads out of their asses for their skill/NP buff structure. Simple balance fixes would save so many Servants really quickly instead of making these braindead monthly (if not yearly) buff "events" that in some cases don't even address the Servants issue.
You don't like it when after 3-4 years a servants gets a crit up or guts skill or they buff the np dmg from a servant with 0-20% charge and no refund 🤡
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Verbally I made the mistake of stating aoko’s s1 gives 2 bullets instead of 3, I apologize, rest assured all damage calculations are correct and calculates her S1 as giving 3 bullets
What happens if you use mage of flowers or jeanne cc on her buster card?
Aoko oonga'd so hard she underflowed into being very complex
Aoko: "Look, it's simple. I use NP, I punch really hard."
Also Aoko: *precharge + turn 1 management + Buster/Arts comps + skill CD management + NP timing*
She's the definiton of "That's a lot of words to describe "just hit'em really hard" and you win"
@@dzigayu4944 she is more like a merchant that did the job after u fulfill her/his payment
At 26:45, regarding the way to buff her extra attack. There is another way to buff it actually which is Append Skill 1 which gives 30-50% Extra attack effectiveness
Yeah that extra attack goes nuts.
Is that additive or multiplicative with her built in extra attack buffs in her kit.
If it's additive I'm not sure how impactful that append skill will be. Since she can already boost her extra attack so much. Multiplicative would go crazy though.
But I don't have her so this is just me theorycrafting. I might be wrong
I wish the crit buff on NP was permanent as well ngl. Would immediately improve her tremendously
Ya if she does get a buff, her first NP would be it, make Super Aoko more super. It would really help that Buster card as well.
Tbh i kind understand why they nerf her aoe attack
But its only makes sense if there are 2 or more buster cards
Also the damages of aoe attack should be based on number of enemies
I think it would have been better if her decks were switched. Triple arts while normal and double buster while super
@@sibsart2039 yeah they messed up that part
I’m a simple man. I see Aoko, I get Aoko. She’s more of my type than Alice.
I’m more of an Alice guy. Between us, neither will be lonely.
Preach, my man. Same here.
Both unique kit
I am simple, I see hot-take, I like and watch it to kill time.
Uh oh! I have a peepee that gets hard with a drawing.
If the magic bullet still give 50% atk up each even in NP 😂 she is going wild
I wanna know why lasanga made the crit buff on the 1st np 3 turns instead of permanent when her facecarding is pretty bad without those buffs
So they can buff her 😂
Because Van Gogh exists. Exactly why Kuku lacks the Entity of the Outer Realm passive.
i think they realized how busted monte cristo was, so they panicked and decided to overbalance her to not repeat the same mistake
I want to know why they made so many of her 1st NP buffs removable! You can only use it once but iirc the buster and extra card bonuses are both removable?!
@@reishiki8682 man I don’t think 30% crit damage would break the game
I wish Lasagna would make it to where you could start the battle with her in Super mode like you can start with Melusine in her 3rd ascension
She doesn't actively use Blue to do that though, she only achieved it at the climax of her story. While Mel's is just her using her actual power.
@@reishiki8682 Whatever man, just give her a ascension with it, or Bond CE which gives her starts whitin Super Aoko.
@@reishiki8682 lore reasons aside, since Aoko stays in Super Mode for the whole battle, I feel it would be better if you could choose how she starts in battle. Like Melusine.
@@diogofernandes4973Lol, you're just not satisfied with "X SHOULD be a broken Servant but isn't really". And that's why you want something that's easy to use, doesn't require much thought and just fire and forget kekw.
@ekcmanga5908 If they did, then she's no different than Melusine, but actually worse since her Redshift form gets her facecards nerfed and all you get is just your generic Arts NP with a cool animation
She's different from Melusine, Aoko transforms by NP but Mulusine transforms by skill.
Something to note is that after a same-type brave chain (ex : AAAE chain or NPAAE chain for aoko), the extra attack gets a higher attack multiplier (350% instead of 200%, 175% instead of 100% for Aoko). But still not worth using probably (you'd prefer to save her magic bullets for her NP).
ig this is an advantage for her triple arts deck idunno lol
Aoko's kit is quite interesting for sure. But for a reason that I will not specify here I will unironically save quartz for her like I saved for Maou Nobbu.
Is it because of Alice?
@@sibsart2039 No, Alice's good and all, but I just like Aoko more. Just uh... matters of preference 😅
@@rejoicingfakepriest201 oh I read that wrong 😑
@@sibsart2039 Is all good my friend, happens to everyone.
Aoko milk
6:25 because it’s a cost not a demerit. We’re finally getting into some Yugioh ruling bullshit here.
31:22 Since I want Tonelico (and get her to NP5) I was planning to get Aoko to use her along with her, but I'm not convinced. I'd better stick to classic support and probably summer Chloe.
Let's go. Content for sleep!!!
Aoko is jekyll wild dream 😂
Every time a transform servant gets added into the game I remember Jakyll has died for our sins. He walked so they could ran.....
We salute our fallen comrade 🫡
@@filipghiglione3750
He is geronimo except geronimo is still useful
Once Foreigner class score releases, without a doubt she's gonna be the servant that benefits the most of it. Kuku will remain insanely powerful, Koyan Dark will be even stronger, but Aoko in particular is going to get A LOT back in the Extra and Buster department.
She feels kinda like Arcueid; with low-mid investment, she's just ok at best. For those who hyper invest tho? 120 max appends Aoko with maxed class score is probably bonkers. I legit hope she has a future in the game, perhaps even getting buffs to solve this unnecessary extreme balancing towards making her the "not second coming of Kukulkan". Her top tier animations deserve the power to show them off often.
If you think THIS is ok , i dont know what you think is cracked.
@@morsayxd like Plushie said, she is a case of overbalancing. For everything she has that may seem "busted", there is a downside. Her Buster and Extra performances are halved compared to other servants, making her AoE honestly kinda weak - only players who hyper invest into her (AKA a minority) will see them actually doing something. What's more, the first NP, which buffs her Buster and Extra, consists of a REMOVABLE effect, even though they're a permanent buff for the transformed state. Buff removal is frankly quite common in harder fights, many times happening upon breaking an HP bar. Her Supereffective niche is inconsistentas she demands too many Magic Bullets to be relevant, so she has to have dead turns to stack them enough for damage to be really significant; the Extra attack consuming all bullets is a huge offender for this issue, as even with CD reduction stacking S1 Magic Bullets is a tad hard. Lastly, her NP gain lowered in Super form coupled with the fact that her pre-transformation S2 gets blocked post transformation really seals the deal.
@@VitorAntas bro every unit has a downside.
We are talking about a unit that have aoe dmg on fc and even if her dmg is halved on extra and buster on paper , on practice her dmg is still significant , buff removal is common but isnt present in every 2 fight , her magic bullet gimmick is far better than most considering some unit that are wanked to shit like ibuki only have their gimmick against one type of enemy.
You are calling "ok" a unit that has a 100% battery and can give 50% to the entire team , which is ludicrous.
Not only that she has a solemn def on a 4t cd and get 5 magic bullet which is enough for the standard niche , yet you want to call the magic bullets "inconsistent" when some servant just have no niche in some fight.
no talking about the fact that she has 2 skillsets and give 10% charge passively to the whole party and 5 stars.
Yet all that is just ok to you.
Sheesh , this community scaling is wild , especially when most of this game content isnt even hard.
@@morsayxd She's only just OK because for all her complexity she doesn't meaningfully push the envelope in any direction, and has limited best use cases: she's not good for farming, she's not good for TAs, and needs high investment and commitment to understanding her kit for mixed play. In the end what she's a natural fit for is Castoria stall in CQs, which she's a good unit for but unremarkable given the solved nature of the playstyle.
@@NephilmX she is amazing in farming , TA is irrelevant and the rest is a skill issue thing and the last argument is still a strong point she has above other unit , the stall is better than with morgan stall team too.
I just watch the fireworks go off as i have no clue what i am tapping.
The whole thing sounds like the only thing dragging her down is the mechanics of the AOE normal attacks. The other flaws become easily excusable if this wasn't the case and more team options open up. However because it is a game mechanic it is extremely unlikely to ever be changed.
The only thing thar drags her down is the need to NP before getting a real one and having no proper self charge in the base form,
Its reverse jekyll he can transform easily but then gains nothing, she has a hard time transforming but becomes good.
@@GS_CCCShe gets worse as Blue!Aoko with regular cards in exchange for a damaging NP, a nerfed Buster+Extra card damage in exchange for doing AoE damage and getting new skills that are situational half the time. You'll want her NOT in her NP most of the time.
@@reishiki8682 no she doesn't she becomes capable of looping the np, who cares about the buster and extra could have that go to 0% dmg mod, you will just click the arts for chains anyway.
How is that skill 1 and 2 are situational?
@@reishiki8682Don't even waste your time, this guy above is a walking meme in the community, that thinks the game is basically farming. That being said, she doesn't really gets worse when she goes Super Aoko. True, her Buster is pretty much useless in my opinion, too low of a damage for it to matter, but her NP is potent, and as an AoE Foreigner, she is among the top.
@@Rahdwiinhow does he think the game is basically farming when he says you don’t want her in her actual farming form? 💀 make it make sense
Her kit is a controlled mess where everything somehow works, the only thing that seems like they added last minute is this AOE Face Cards gimmick which to be honest is pretty useless since she only has one Buster Card in her DPS form and spending all the Magic Bullets on her Extra Attack is a waste
Should've had a 100-200% buster up after transforming to super aoko cause honestly those buster cards are so rare unless you have a bb
Yeah Idk why they think Permanent buff for 1 buster card is a good Idea anyway. Like besides the 3 turn crit buff the ramp up NP is too wasteful for a full charge. Like what do you go? Ooga booga with 1 Buster or go Arts Looping? Not to mention normal Aoko skill 2 and 3 is never gonna be used because they share CD.
@@ohongphong9235 because it hits like a truck and is aoe, she bombs stars like crazy and with van gogh and summer BB could probably 3 turn off of buster crits depending on the node
@@nah-dx3wcExcept :
1.) You NEED to get her Buster cards on turn 1, because one of them turns into an Arts card post-Redshift
2.) The damage from her Buster+Extra attack is nerfed to compensate being an AoE attack
3.) If the sole Buster card you get on turn 1 gets turned into an Arts card then your BB cardlock play is screwed right from the get-go
@@nah-dx3wcnot very bright
After the arrival of ciel shes a completely different beast now for farming
Hell with Hakuno you can say the same thing, just not as reliable nor efficient. But its a good way to gamba
Amazing video as always quite frankly this might be your best video.
Whatever Plushie says: Shell be NP5'ed when she arrives on global. 2 years to save, lets go.
Her animations and kit are just so fun.
great video ploosh, very well put together.
that double tamamo/aoko setup sounds hilarious
Just the fact that she's Aoko is enough for me, I've been waiting for her for years. Best servant this year unless summer decides to finally give us what we've been begging for years.
Eresh summer
A single NP interlude fixes the worst parts of her kit imo. Bumping those buster and extra damage up numbers to double that would go a long way to making her AOE face cards less embarassing then they can slap a QOL buff like NP gain rate or something to make her arts cards a little better. Here's hoping that actually happens at some point.
Still gonna whale for her. Aoko best girl.
U realize when foreigner class score unlocks u get the card buffs she needs
Embarassing fc ???
Bro 15k+ dmg on neutral face card vs all enemies is not embarassing 😂.
I guess they didnt want a second monte cristo situation, so they had to nerf her into "balance"
The things she can do if her Skills' Cooldown were refreshed after she uses her NP
While more interesting of a kit I also feel it's less functional. Like if I wanted to stall I'd grab my Castoria, Merlin or Tamamoo and if I wanted to farm I'd use someone more suited for that. So for me Aoko gameplaywise doesn't really have a purpose other than being the first summonable unit with AoE Buster & Extra cards, that's it just a gimmick.
[Super] Aoko works best for dealing with wave 2 or 3 in 90++ multi core setups.
She actually is really strong with Arcuid too because Arc’s 3rd skill and NP gives Aoko charge (at least 50% total) on top of Arc own 100% battery on 2nd skill to deal with Wave 1.
Wish Super Aoko’s NP (and deck in general) was more Buster orientated though to synergize better with that 20-50% Buster up permanent uptime from using normal Aoko NP.
Normal Aoko should have been more Arts orientated with more emphasis as a support role considering Normal Aoko has a skill that gives party 20% battery every turn.
Forgot to mention [Super] Aoko unique passive gives party 10% battery every turn which is also great for multi core support
Cool transition from farming to challenge quests
I really love that double Aoko and Tonelico/Morgan team. Those charges are crazy and made Tonelico/Morgan alot better. Hoping to save for next year and the next 2 years.
What would be Aoko's append priority? Extra buff or mana loading first? It seems obvious, but I am honestly doubting myself given everything she has going on. Thanks for the video!
Her Extra Attacks aren't really worth the investment so I'd say the 20% NP Charge is much more useful for her to reach Super Aoko more easily
@@Truck-kun11I like mana loading more than append 1
I see ironic that that Aoko is so complex when in Mahoyo out of her true Magic she only shoot Magic bullets, and Alice the one with the complex magecraft of invocation and semi reality control is way more simple in game
I believe the intent behind losing the S2 buff after transformation is that it literally turns into the passive, so it wouldn't make sense to have both at the same time. Sure, you could've differentiated them a bit more so it wouldn't be necessary, but so much of the game's mechanics are already defined by flavor, I kinda feel like ship has long sailed on that one. Even Aoko's Territory Creation and Item Construction are only there to show how much she sucks at magic.
I also assume this is the same reason her NP gain is so gimped after transformation: she has to have a passive for her magic circuits, so the rest of the kit has to allow for it.
Wait, her AoE cards deal half damage to all targets? I thought she dealt full damage to the selected target and half to the other targets on screen, damn. Well, at least I rolled her cause I like her gameplay and her NP has one of the coolest animations in the game IMO. Great video.
Please make hot take videos on old servents one day
UA-cam dis not in fact notify me rhis video !! So cool interface !!!
Finally plushie can sleep well.
Get some good rest champion, we need you when the next new servant come out.
Altho she gonna get really strong when the class score for foreigner unlocks since tons of crit increase on all cards plus all cards get buffed plus 50 percent more extra attack damage soooooo yeh can’t wait to see how she gonna change when that foreigner class score comes
43 minutes, okay this is gonna be good, imma grab my coffee.
I am quite content with Aoko because they don't make Type moon heroines OP maybe because they know they already are a fan favourite so they don't need to spike the hype by making them op. At the same time I love how Aoko just doesn't fit the norms, this is one of the few servants which makes fgo players actually read and understand the servant before putting it into action. We already have explosive servants fighting with explosive servants for that number 1 title so its kind of a nice fresh air seeing a servant who's just not like anything we've ever seen.
Exactly. If anything her innovative kit alone justifies rolling for her if nothing else
Arcueid is OP.
@@Dorrovian you could say that but talking about power dynamics usually leads to a power hierarchy where Arcuied isn't even able to beat her own class competitors. She's good no shade just nothing ground breaking which is what everyone is after.
@@Evara1111So summer Kiara and Jinako and BB are stronger??? Press X to doubt lol.
Isn't Artoria still top tier?
Thank for the vid . I Just got her today and really want your hot take about her.
Aoko has an interesting kit, and has also the ability to shine on either a multicore farming run (with another AoE servant) or in a CQ environment.
If Tamamo gets a buff related to her NP or one skill buff that mirrors Koyanskaya this will bring out the potential of Aoko to fruition imo. Regardless of that, Aoko just as she is is simply too fun to use in mixed teams and she basically doesn't have to tie herself to a specific comp to be used.
perfect lengthy video for munching snacks to 💯 definitely won't hurt to learn more about her strengths and weaknesses, but even if aoko isn't meta i'll personally still try to np5 her and perhaps alice bcuz mahoyo sweep baby 🧎♀️
"Has some of the safest team builds in the entire game without having to actually go full degen stall"
I would have preferred if he had mentioned some of those team builds. He only talked about castoria and tamamo in the team recommendations
@@boatsbowl4404 Those are the teams he's referring to.
@@NephilmX Ah. Well I'll try some other comps cz I don't have castoria or tamamo
even at np1 she would have been great on y account since i have both buster and arts supports.
but it was not meant to be, even as i spent hours getting 4 servants above bond 10 to give me the goods and it was not enough
Coming in the near future: "I was wrong about Aoko", by Plushie
I think there needs to be maths done regarding her Extra card. I'm pretty sure it should be situationally more powerful than her NP cards. Keep in mind that Extra cards can also be powered up by Append 1 and Class Score (when unlocked) so there's definitely ways for it to out-perform her NP, assuming the Invul Pierce and/or Def Ignore is not needed. Also, keep in mind that Extra cards in a Triple Card-Type Brave Chain (unsure about Mighty chain) have a 350% card modifier instead of the usual 200% on a regular Brave chain.
Ok even it’s possible why bother , most cases you would rather use her NP still regardless, the np doesn’t even waste all the bullets if you have over 10
@@PlushieMistress In terms of solo runs, lower NP levels actually makes her Extra more appealing to use. NP1 with 8 starting stacks and max Append 1 as well as all of Super Aoko's buffs will result in her Same-Color Extra doing 1653.75% damage while her NP does 1176.12%. Even with team support, unless you can ensure that Aoko can have a persistent amount of Arts Up and/or NP Damage Up buffs, there will be windows where using her Same-Color Extra will result in much more damage.
I'm just mentioning it because I feel that it's an outlook that's being missed atm and if someone wants to min-max Aoko's damage, they need to also take this into consideration.
EDIT: Apparently, Mighty Brave Chains do not get the boosted 350% Extra modifier but gets the base 200% Extra modifier. Makes it less appealing and harder to make her Extra attack be useful unless solo-ing or by some miracle of god.
One buster card and all the magic bullets getting consumed on the extra attack kinda sucks too. Love her but yea she’s awkward.
Nice video dude!
Aoko may not be an explosive, out of the box farmer or dps, but her kit is super interesting and allows for some interesting team synergies / experimentation. Servants with interesting kits are a huge draw for me.
King has spoken
Hey plusie, nice details hot take video u made recently, i hope u keep this quality even if it takes longer for us to watch. Can u make her NP damage test with oberon and max her passive plz! Again hope u will get more recognition and viewer in our community!!!
If her cooldown is reset when enter superform....
I like using her as a DPS with black grail and a support when using another dps
My team with Aoko support is double Koyan Light, Arcueid and Aoko, I focus in buffing Arcueid and in the final wave I will have Aoko and Arcueid Np available because of Arcueid's np charge, this is not a good team I think but is better than double Koyan, Arcueid and mystic code with cooldown reduction, not big of a deal I just commentig how Im using Aoko.
Can an enemy remove her buster and extra card buffs that she gets from her transformation np?
Yes, it can be removed.
It just has unlimited duration
@@TheAnaz41745 so, super aoko buster and extra not become aoe?
@@TheAnaz41745wait it can? That sucks, the ramp up NP is basically useless then
How does she stack against Kuku as a dps Foreigner?
She reeks of a prototype servant.
The next aoe carding servant will be way better, I guarantee it.
They already fixed the problem she has.
Ptolemy and Melusine are in the game, even jekyll got a charge buff to transform(well he turns into nothing).
If they wanted AoE to be usable we have mechanics like saber turning all her cards into buster etc.
She was intentionally gimped for no reason.
I absolutely adore double Aoko and Tonelico setup! It's so much fun to do it
Aoko has very unique kit and playstyle. I wish she'd have at least two buster cards in her deck after transformation but in general I love when they ate trying new things not just your standard 3turn farming unit (we have plenty already I want new, unique stuff) so I am happy with her and just so glad both Aoko and Alice are in fgo now! 🥹
Jack of all trades master of none. Also firm believer having foreigner passive is bad because van gogh support is busted so kits are nerfed to compensate.
She is a good support for servant have demerit when using skills and np, other than that she is very hard to use
It's just so weird which servants devs over or undertune. If only we had more frequent balance changes instead of once in a blue moon strengthening quests.
Will she get one I wonder, anni is right around the corner, but her chances aren't great and besides she still good just not "the best".
still saying the np rate down on her super form would be more justified if her arts cards become aoe instead of the buster
So her kit is kinda...
Aokoward?
I'm very sorry.
The door is this way 👉
to maximize her extra card performance we need append 1 and class score, but does it worth 🤣
at least this is a O.K go for a MAYBE future U-olga marie?
Between her and Alice, who is more reliably worth pulling? I know I'll only be able to get one of them assuming I'm lucky.
The one you like the best is always the answer here.
Gameplay wise Alice 100%
Alice is a proper looper, Aoko needs to first waste a turn using an NP with no effect to unlock her real NP
@@GS_CCC oh yes. We need to assess a servant's gameplay based on their farming capabilities alone. Absolutely.
@@boatsbowl4404 since 99.9% of the gameplay is farming and you can easily skip the challenge in bosses/CQs with commands/bluecubes + suplist
Yes of course you use farming as the gameplay reason.
Even if she was better for CQs 1 or 2 battles a month that aren't really relevant.
@@GS_CCC so tldr is farming brainrot. Also you say it's 99.9 and elsewhere you say 90%. If you're gonna die on this hill then at least be consistent with your numbers.
Got her np5, chat am I cooked 😅
No matter how people view her usefulness, she is at least fun to play (at least for me) and that is a win
I think you may have underestimated her potential for crit support. Her base form's 3rd skill is strong, even if the demerit nullification isn't useful for the main DPS. The 2 turn CD on her 1st skill makes it so she's going to be making a ton of stars over time, especially with 2030 ce. The 2nd skill gives 20% np per turn, which is also very strong. She can even help by doing some damage with her own crits, since the bullets give her a 50% attack buff. It's not going to be optimal, but using her as a support to enable crits has its merits. Merlin is going to be better, but maybe you want to use Oberon 😂
If I want large amt of stars per turn I’ll use summer skadi
Hopefully in the future she will be buffed to be able to use NP turn 1 with only Castoria's AoE 30% charge.
Right now she isn't really worth for most repeatable content.
Or they could add the effect that all facecards turn into Aoko buster cards the turn she uses the transformation NP, this way she may be able to kill the wave.
Why do you keep calling Aesc Tonelico?
Can you not 4 turn farm with aoko
No actually, at least not without wasting damage buffs because you still need to commit battery charge skills to trigger her transformation. So if you take one extra turn to transform castoria’s atk up, how own skill 3, and the missiles from her skill 1 activated before transforming will run out on turn 4
@@PlushieMistress yeah I get that but would the 40% attack up make that much of a difference? From your video it seems she has pretty decent t3 damage anyway so I feel like it would at least be a viable strategy and worth mentioning
Edit: oh I forgot about her skill 3 lol ok yeah I see yeah the t3 damage might be pretty horrible with that setup
Van gogh compatible, i dont care about anything else
So early that the quality is 360p
A 40+ minute analysis of Aoko and zero mention of Dual Aoko setups which is where she shines in multicore... Double Aoko with Morgan, Tonelico and Archetype Earth are solid setups.
How do you trigger her initial np lol, kscope?
@@PlushieMistress kscope or a 50% ce with Castoria plug to a third DPS like Arcueid, xNaya has some proof of concepts you no doubt will have seen.
@@LuniSq0 bonus CE setup with 30k AOE busters? Thats what i call a good setup
@@LuniSqyeah and they’re bad, lol, just because a content creator comes up with a fun comp doesn’t mean they are good including many videos I do. Its fun over practical for most content bc nobody wants to see boring practical stuff
@@LuniSq if your multicore setup requires multiple kscopes then there is absolutely no reason to specifically use double aoko lol
Sorry but I love her anyway.
Mah waif
Regardless if she has bullets or none, she'd always have 100% supereffective damage.
This is why Alice is the true prize of the collab. Not the loud, thick headed, foul mouthed, hollowed brained, reckless, arrogant, ignorant, vulgar, incompetent, ill mannered, abusive, rude, gullible, brutish berserker that is Aoko Aozaki
Is that you Touko?
This must be Touko's secret account
Not really
The real prize if aoko is caster while alice is foreigner
Are you talking about her kits?
t. Alice
I think most criticisms are too focused on just farming which drags her value down a bit. Guess this means people got a wake-up call that "facecarding exists".
Well, the game is mostly farming so makes sense the criticism is focused on farming, if anything the importance of CQ/bosses is really inflated when talking about a servant.
90% of the game is just farming. It would have been a different story if this story has other game mode for end game content instead just one CQ, 2 if they are generous, per event.
@@owo4288 90% is being generous to CQs/main quest, even if you just use your daily AP on JP you will be doing 9 nodes daily and 6 during events, its a minimum of 180 nodes per months, its probably closer to 99.9%.
@@GS_CCC y'all just endlessly farm every day?
@@kingkunta3753 no, on JP you only have enough daily AP for 9 nodes a day outside of events and 6 during, it takes little of no time to farm all you need on the day,
especially since you can't use all in one go because it needs to recharge
So funny how some people are calling her BUSTED when she's a little too balanced if anything
Sometimes Type moon need an easy balance servant, Aoko already a repeating tragedy from before. I'm overall disappointed of the over balancing effect, still though nice np song and design.
well, also still like the Aoko gameplay though even though it's complex.
Pretty easy skip for me, I love the fact that they're experimenting with Servant skillsets (albeit almost 10 years in) but because of how the core game is structured (and because they're not the best at balancing character gimmicks) it's just not for me.
It's funny how many Servants could be fixed (quite easily) if they just got their heads out of their asses for their skill/NP buff structure.
Simple balance fixes would save so many Servants really quickly instead of making these braindead monthly (if not yearly) buff "events" that in some cases don't even address the Servants issue.
You don't like it when after 3-4 years a servants gets a crit up or guts skill or they buff the np dmg from a servant with 0-20% charge and no refund 🤡
a better unit than any previous foreigner imo , aside maybe kuku and overall one of the better unit to own in the game
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Mid-Oko.
l will see myself out.