This video is currently pulling THOUSANDS more views than the other clips on my channel - if you like what you see, there's a whole playlist of clips from my fanedit here! ua-cam.com/play/PLQGXFPRWgzaJHfErm1WRnCWVD02rvbizb.html&si=cNU4Yel0hZL2hUqH
Thank you! In the script - and the version screened by Kevin Smith - the flashbacks play as Batman is falling. Obviously we don't have that footage, so I tried my best to replicate the flashbacks as they were written once Batman hits the water. The rose dropping is the second flashback in the script, but I put it first as I loved the transition between the helicopter falling and the rose hitting the ground. I think that - combined with the colour grading - ties it all together.
Batman forever is almost a 1 for 1 adaptation of where the batman comics were at in the early to mid 90s. Very colorful, punkish, inspired by both 1930s pulp and 1980s Sci fi. I'm not saying its a great batman movie or anything but it's definitely not bad.
This is the furthest thing from the truth. You obviously never picked up a Batman comic. They were dark and realistic reflective of 90s crime where there were no cameras and smart phones and crimes weren’t solved or avenged. They were dark as hell. What the hell are you talking about!
@redkalsam yeah no man's land is reflective of 90s crime. Look up a picture of Nicholas scratch and tell me he doesn't look like came straight out of Joel Schumacher batman. I brought up the comics in my original comment. I wouldn't do that if I'd never seen them. Try break the habit of a lifetime and use your brain before you reply
@redkalsam yeah cause nicholas scratch really embodies gritty 90s crime doesn't he? Look up the whole jean paul valley run too. Literally a gold and red batsuit. Don't project your ignorance on others
@redkalsam he didn't say it represented all batman comics, just the early-mid 90s chuck Dixon ones. They even changed the banner on the batman comics to the one used in batman forever
Not gonna lie, I don’t know if I’ve seen every single edit of this film out there. But I’ve seen ALOT of them lol. Some are decent and some feel like they just pasted the new scenes on. And some just don’t make any sense. But I can only imagine how hard it is to do this. I can honestly say from what I’ve watched here, this has got to be the best version ive seen so far and the whole film isn’t even done and out yet. This is one of my most anticipated films for 2025 lol Batman forever is special to me, as it’s my first bat flick, and it’s crazy that it’s already 30 next year!! We’ll probably never get the Schumacher cut, and it’s unfortunate. But we got this, and I’m looking forward to your finished product 🤘🏻
@@CrimsonIdol92 Thank you so much! I definitely recommend checking my Twitter for updates and previews. Saaame account name, saaame Bat time, saaame Bat channel!
This has a better explanation of Harvey's behavior and also as a former district attorney he likely knew that it would be dangerous to try to kill a kingpin so even though Bruce did try to save him he probably thinks it is better to turn his anger to him and his warped mind likely thinks "you didn't save me fast enough."
@@Buggy-su4oy YES. Something The Dark Knight got right. It's also a HUGE part of the Batman Forever novelisation by Peter David which I HIGHLY recommend you read!
@@jordanjabroniwow even though Nolan probably didn’t see these deleted scenes oh my gosh, this was way ahead of its time this is basically the third act of the dark Knight
@@californiacombativesclub202 The Batmobile leaping from rooftop to rooftop happened in the Forever script and comic too. Also, when Bruce leaves the cave after confronting his nightmare bat, in the workprint screened by Kevin Smith he was surrounded by bats a la Batman Begins.
@@kevindavis296 The only thing I couldn't do is cover over the mask completely as it cuts into Harvey's dialogue. My head canon is that it's the pilot dying on the floor 💀
If only Michael Keaton and Tim Burton were still involved in the making of this movie. Plus, Billy Dee Williams should've been the one playing Two-face.
Warner Brothers messed up big time by firing and replacing Burton. Also, I wanted The Riddler to go to Crispin Glover. Robin Williams turned down the role, and the only Batman antagonist I see Jim Carrey playing is The Creeper.
@@loudboy317 While I would have loved to see Burton and Keaton reunite and see what Williams could have done with the Two-Face role, I do love what we got instead - hence this labour of love with the fanedit!
I still think this could have been an amazing movie if companies hadn't interfered.. let's be honest it was chopped up and messed around with for the sake of happy meals.... fyi I still think forever was an amazing movie.. was the first batman movie I saw in cinemas so nostalgia won't let me hate it, but it could have been so much more! #ReleasetheSchumachercut!
NGL man, what you have shown so far with this project I'm very much impressed and given that Batman Forever is one of my favorite movies that deserves a editor/director's cut to add back more of the psychological stuff from the first-two burton films it would be very nice to see what your take on the Schumacher cut will be like completed and if you decide to release it on Blu-ray I'll happily buy it~👍
I remember reading the novelization as a kid, and it covered a lot of the stuff that was edited out of the theatrical release, including "You're a killer too!" I recall wondering why it had been cut from the movie.
Y'all still young bloods lol....I was in high school when Batman Forever came out. I remember seeing all of the Batman movies from 1989 to 1997 in the theater. I can't believe that's all been so long ago..
@@mtgamateurnight Kilmer doesn't say much in a forceful Batman voice in the movie - mainly in Riddler's Claw Island final fight. I had limited lines to train the voice clone on, but if you listen to this side by side with a line like '...and now you've devised a way to read men's minds!' it's pretty bang on the money.
Beginning with this movie, they certainly turned the campyness up. With Batman&Robin, it was up to 11. Very smart move by Michael Keaton to leave the franchise when Tim Burton did.
@@or2130 I'm still tinkering with the 30th Anniversary grading plans. My initial idea was to do a subtly more 'filmic' regrade as seen in these videos alongside a grade that is more akin to the three 35mm trailers available on UA-cam. However, on my latest draft I am continuing to experiment with the colour choices. I will post an update and comparison video if I double down on changes. I will not be releasing regrades of the theatrical cut.
If the movie came out not too long after 9/11 because that building has the Statue of Liberty look on there we would be like getting angry about that scene because the helicopter crashed into the Statue of Liberty same thing when Superman IV came out in 1987 when Nuclear Man picks up the Statue of Liberty and tries to use it as a weapon to kill civilians as well by dropping The Statue of Liberty then Superman saves not just the people but the Statue of Liberty itself and yes those effects are bad but still when I see Superman IV when Nuclear Man is trying to use The Statue of Liberty as a weapon it’s like one of those movies that is hard to watch especially after September 11th 2001 just like this scene.
Ngl surprised someone else that unused track of Nygma working on his invention cause out of all the recut of BF that includes Goldenthal's score that particular one is always absent.
As soon as I got the recording sessions for both Batman Forever and Batman & Robin, I sent them to my phone and just kept listening over and over to figure out where any alternate or new music was. All the Nygma stuff from this scene is added back (though I kept the silence for the caffeine joke as the music kept going on the recording session) and I feel like it gives it a new energy. Whether it's better or not is a personal opinion, but I do think it works nicely with the redone helicopter scene now. After Nygma switches the machine off, the music comes back - filling the silence between that and 'Oh... I don't think so'.
@@mroriginalabides6730 Not quite... By the time the ending was filmed ("Not because I have to be... Now... Because I choose to be") the film had already endured major cuts and trims. There is hopefully a whole bank of footage unassembled that is waiting to be picked up and turned into a complete, darker edit.
@@jordanjabroni ok was just wondering, hope it turns out well once it’s fully finished and edited, will definitely give it a watch since forever has always facilitated me especially with the amount of deleted content.
I love this movie so much ! Top 4 Batman movies 1: Tim Burton’s Batman 2: Batman Forever 3: Batman Returns 4: Matt Reeves The Batman. For sure no disputes it just the way it is.
Like in '89 Batman's Joker? He only lived to be Joker for a few days until he fell down from trying to get up the helicopter, didn't even get to meet Harley Quinn. In the comics, cartoons, video games and other stories, all villains live throughout the whole career life of Batman, they just keep getting arrested in Arkham and escaping, lol.
@@Crisis.Knight This edit is continuing to be polished and is lying in wait until the 30th anniversary which is June 2025. I've put most of the key scenes here on UA-cam as a treat - I basically posted the ending of my edit online as an announcement not expecting it to gain traction and it's gotten a lot more attention than I expected! I will be working on and releasing a black and white edit of Batman '89 - BATMAN: NOIR - between now and then!
@@hankking9007 He hates Batman for failing to save him. This is greatly expanded upon in the novelisation, where Harvey puts himself in the firing line to challenge the criminal underworld of Gotham after Batman promises to have his back.
@@tun-tunninc.6492 It's absolutely integral to Bruce's true arc which was cut from the movie, reckoning with the lives he took in the previous movies and the guilt over the death of his parents.
This video is currently pulling THOUSANDS more views than the other clips on my channel - if you like what you see, there's a whole playlist of clips from my fanedit here!
ua-cam.com/play/PLQGXFPRWgzaJHfErm1WRnCWVD02rvbizb.html&si=cNU4Yel0hZL2hUqH
I'm a keaton guy but I also love Kilmer and Batman Forever.
That's a great edit. I've always wanted to see the darker version of this movie.
Thank you!
Roll on June 2025!
Two-Face just reminded Batman of his inter city war against the Joker and the Christmas conflict against the Penguin and Catwoman.
The underwater flash backs are amazing
Thank you! In the script - and the version screened by Kevin Smith - the flashbacks play as Batman is falling. Obviously we don't have that footage, so I tried my best to replicate the flashbacks as they were written once Batman hits the water. The rose dropping is the second flashback in the script, but I put it first as I loved the transition between the helicopter falling and the rose hitting the ground. I think that - combined with the colour grading - ties it all together.
@@jordanjabroni Brilliant! Also reminds me of Man of Steel and Batman Begins as flashbacks play a major part in both stories and edits. Cheers!
Agreed, this is incredible!!! 👏
Batman forever is almost a 1 for 1 adaptation of where the batman comics were at in the early to mid 90s. Very colorful, punkish, inspired by both 1930s pulp and 1980s Sci fi. I'm not saying its a great batman movie or anything but it's definitely not bad.
This is the furthest thing from the truth. You obviously never picked up a Batman comic. They were dark and realistic reflective of 90s crime where there were no cameras and smart phones and crimes weren’t solved or avenged. They were dark as hell. What the hell are you talking about!
@redkalsam yeah no man's land is reflective of 90s crime. Look up a picture of Nicholas scratch and tell me he doesn't look like came straight out of Joel Schumacher batman. I brought up the comics in my original comment. I wouldn't do that if I'd never seen them. Try break the habit of a lifetime and use your brain before you reply
@redkalsam yeah cause nicholas scratch really embodies gritty 90s crime doesn't he? Look up the whole jean paul valley run too. Literally a gold and red batsuit. Don't project your ignorance on others
@redkalsam he didn't say it represented all batman comics, just the early-mid 90s chuck Dixon ones. They even changed the banner on the batman comics to the one used in batman forever
A steering wheel in a helicopter? Okay
0:37 sounds like Kevin Conroy😮😃
It's my voice acting, run through ElevenLabs and trained on Kilmer's Batman voice! His Batman voice does have some Conroy-esque moments!
@@jordanjabroni ok, that's interesting.
That's one reason why I think Kilmer is the best live-action Batman
Not gonna lie, I don’t know if I’ve seen every single edit of this film out there. But I’ve seen ALOT of them lol.
Some are decent and some feel like they just pasted the new scenes on. And some just don’t make any sense.
But I can only imagine how hard it is to do this.
I can honestly say from what I’ve watched here, this has got to be the best version ive seen so far and the whole film isn’t even done and out yet.
This is one of my most anticipated films for 2025 lol
Batman forever is special to me, as it’s my first bat flick, and it’s crazy that it’s already 30 next year!!
We’ll probably never get the Schumacher cut, and it’s unfortunate. But we got this, and I’m looking forward to your finished product 🤘🏻
@@CrimsonIdol92 Thank you so much! I definitely recommend checking my Twitter for updates and previews. Saaame account name, saaame Bat time, saaame Bat channel!
This has a better explanation of Harvey's behavior and also as a former district attorney he likely knew that it would be dangerous to try to kill a kingpin so even though Bruce did try to save him he probably thinks it is better to turn his anger to him and his warped mind likely thinks "you didn't save me fast enough."
@@Buggy-su4oy YES. Something The Dark Knight got right. It's also a HUGE part of the Batman Forever novelisation by Peter David which I HIGHLY recommend you read!
@@jordanjabroniwow even though Nolan probably didn’t see these deleted scenes oh my gosh, this was way ahead of its time this is basically the third act of the dark Knight
@@californiacombativesclub202 The Batmobile leaping from rooftop to rooftop happened in the Forever script and comic too. Also, when Bruce leaves the cave after confronting his nightmare bat, in the workprint screened by Kevin Smith he was surrounded by bats a la Batman Begins.
WB WHAT HAVE U GOT 2 LOSE?! RELEASE THE SCUMACHER DIRECTORS CUT!😮😅😊
Great editing on changing the voice of Batman when in the old of this deleted scene sounded like a teen boy
@@kevindavis296 The only thing I couldn't do is cover over the mask completely as it cuts into Harvey's dialogue. My head canon is that it's the pilot dying on the floor 💀
If only Michael Keaton and Tim Burton were still involved in the making of this movie. Plus, Billy Dee Williams should've been the one playing Two-face.
Warner Brothers messed up big time by firing and replacing Burton.
Also, I wanted The Riddler to go to Crispin Glover.
Robin Williams turned down the role, and the only Batman antagonist I see Jim Carrey playing is The Creeper.
@KenMasters. I could see Robin Williams of the time being Toyman.
@@jollygoodfellow3957
I hope he wouldn’t turn Toyman down either, thinking it would be a typecast because of that movie Toys (1992).
@@loudboy317 While I would have loved to see Burton and Keaton reunite and see what Williams could have done with the Two-Face role, I do love what we got instead - hence this labour of love with the fanedit!
What's wrong with Val?
I still think this could have been an amazing movie if companies hadn't interfered.. let's be honest it was chopped up and messed around with for the sake of happy meals.... fyi I still think forever was an amazing movie.. was the first batman movie I saw in cinemas so nostalgia won't let me hate it, but it could have been so much more! #ReleasetheSchumachercut!
NGL man, what you have shown so far with this project I'm very much impressed and given that Batman Forever is one of my favorite movies that deserves a editor/director's cut to add back more of the psychological stuff from the first-two burton films it would be very nice to see what your take on the Schumacher cut will be like completed and if you decide to release it on Blu-ray I'll happily buy it~👍
@@mrcrazyinstinct5822 I can't release this on physical media as I am not Warner Bros. - but thanks for the kind words my friend!
Gotham City with a Statue of Liberty. *Jim Carrey voice :* I LLLLLOVE IT!
For how flawed it is, B Forever is still my favorite Batman movie
I remember reading the novelization as a kid, and it covered a lot of the stuff that was edited out of the theatrical release, including "You're a killer too!" I recall wondering why it had been cut from the movie.
@@glennwelsh9784 The comic book adaption is great, but the actual novelization by Peter David is INCREDIBLE. You were reading good as a kid!
Amazing edit!!!!! LOVE THIS.
@@misterx530 Thank you for the kind words 🙏
Hopefully we get something for the 30th anniversary
Its got one more year until its 30 2025 the same age im turning omg i feel so old
I'm a 1994 baby... I feel that!
Y'all still young bloods lol....I was in high school when Batman Forever came out. I remember seeing all of the Batman movies from 1989 to 1997 in the theater. I can't believe that's all been so long ago..
Wouah, first time i see an helicopter with a steering wheel !!!
Anything is possible in Joel Schumacher's Gotham!
You forgot his other flashbacks from batman and batman returns of Joker and Penguin.
Impressive most impressive. I love it.
Thank you for the kind words!
I wish they kept all of this in the movie
That was 30 years ago
29 actually, 30 is next year
Very cool, Thia is the first time I have seen this footage cleaned up and it looks great! Voice for batman is a bit off but still really nice work.
@@mtgamateurnight Kilmer doesn't say much in a forceful Batman voice in the movie - mainly in Riddler's Claw Island final fight. I had limited lines to train the voice clone on, but if you listen to this side by side with a line like '...and now you've devised a way to read men's minds!' it's pretty bang on the money.
I thought it was hilarious how they basically made him the Joker
must of sucked to be in that suit and submerged in water, shit probably weighed him down like a mofo
Probably. Although the suits in Batman & Robin were foam latex, so they would have been a floatation device.
Beginning with this movie, they certainly turned the campyness up. With Batman&Robin, it was up to 11. Very smart move by Michael Keaton to leave the franchise when Tim Burton did.
Bummer!
Can we see a sneak peek of the full thing please of this edit
@@Cosmic455 There's a whole playlist on my channel of key moments in order!
Can you please release one with just the normal movie with the 35mm color grade ? the 4K Transfer they officially released has to much blue tint
@@or2130 I'm still tinkering with the 30th Anniversary grading plans. My initial idea was to do a subtly more 'filmic' regrade as seen in these videos alongside a grade that is more akin to the three 35mm trailers available on UA-cam. However, on my latest draft I am continuing to experiment with the colour choices. I will post an update and comparison video if I double down on changes.
I will not be releasing regrades of the theatrical cut.
Is this Schumacher cut. It's out already!
This is my fanedit BATMAN FOREVER: 30th ANNIVERSARY EDITION - and it will release next June!
If the movie came out not too long after 9/11 because that building has the Statue of Liberty look on there we would be like getting angry about that scene because the helicopter crashed into the Statue of Liberty same thing when Superman IV came out in 1987 when Nuclear Man picks up the Statue of Liberty and tries to use it as a weapon to kill civilians as well by dropping The Statue of Liberty then Superman saves not just the people but the Statue of Liberty itself and yes those effects are bad but still when I see Superman IV when Nuclear Man is trying to use The Statue of Liberty as a weapon it’s like one of those movies that is hard to watch especially after September 11th 2001 just like this scene.
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...What?
@@thefonzkissnot 1997 that was Batman & Robin this Batman Movie Batman Forever came out in 1995.
Ngl surprised someone else that unused track of Nygma working on his invention cause out of all the recut of BF that includes Goldenthal's score that particular one is always absent.
As soon as I got the recording sessions for both Batman Forever and Batman & Robin, I sent them to my phone and just kept listening over and over to figure out where any alternate or new music was. All the Nygma stuff from this scene is added back (though I kept the silence for the caffeine joke as the music kept going on the recording session) and I feel like it gives it a new energy. Whether it's better or not is a personal opinion, but I do think it works nicely with the redone helicopter scene now. After Nygma switches the machine off, the music comes back - filling the silence between that and 'Oh... I don't think so'.
Just think there is a much longer darker cut of this film locked away somewhere.
@@mroriginalabides6730 Not quite... By the time the ending was filmed ("Not because I have to be... Now... Because I choose to be") the film had already endured major cuts and trims. There is hopefully a whole bank of footage unassembled that is waiting to be picked up and turned into a complete, darker edit.
When/where will the official release of fan edit be on just curious?
@@Bugplanet8840 Next June to tie into the 30th anniversary as the name implies! I'll be creating a thread on fanedit dot org.
@@jordanjabroni ok was just wondering, hope it turns out well once it’s fully finished and edited, will definitely give it a watch since forever has always facilitated me especially with the amount of deleted content.
@@Bugplanet8840 Thank you for the support!
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Batman Forever come out in 1995, not 1994.
@@VictorGonzalez-xs9oc Hence why this fanedit is coming next year!
@@jordanjabronibut you can't celebrate 30th year of batman forever movie if it's wasn't in 1994, in 2025 is the 30th anniversary of batman forever.
@@VictorGonzalez-xs9oc "Hence why this fanedit is coming next year!" ...
I love this movie so much ! Top 4 Batman movies 1: Tim Burton’s Batman 2: Batman Forever 3: Batman Returns 4: Matt Reeves The Batman. For sure no disputes it just the way it is.
I wish villains would stop being killed off in superhero movies lol
Like in '89 Batman's Joker? He only lived to be Joker for a few days until he fell down from trying to get up the helicopter, didn't even get to meet Harley Quinn. In the comics, cartoons, video games and other stories, all villains live throughout the whole career life of Batman, they just keep getting arrested in Arkham and escaping, lol.
It's a trap!
This is great. But I have to ask. Why in June 2025?
@@Crisis.Knight This edit is continuing to be polished and is lying in wait until the 30th anniversary which is June 2025. I've put most of the key scenes here on UA-cam as a treat - I basically posted the ending of my edit online as an announcement not expecting it to gain traction and it's gotten a lot more attention than I expected!
I will be working on and releasing a black and white edit of Batman '89 - BATMAN: NOIR - between now and then!
He has to hate somebody? Hate the one that poured the acid on your face, not Batman.
@@hankking9007 He hates Batman for failing to save him. This is greatly expanded upon in the novelisation, where Harvey puts himself in the firing line to challenge the criminal underworld of Gotham after Batman promises to have his back.
@@jordanjabroni that's insane BS!!!!
@@hankking9007 He *is* insane. That's his whole logical crux!
@@jordanjabroniof course. Yeah. They made this two face too Joker-like. Totally unlike in the Batman TAS and comic books.
Way too much dialog just to crash a helicopter.
@@tun-tunninc.6492 It's absolutely integral to Bruce's true arc which was cut from the movie, reckoning with the lives he took in the previous movies and the guilt over the death of his parents.
Lee Jones 2face was awful
If only we could edit Tommy Lee Jones out of the movie completely.
I can't lie... I love his Two-Face.
If he were to play a more serious two-face, he would have been perfect
Yeah, he was the best part. Especially knowing he hated Jim Carry and tried to be more over the top in ever scene.
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Yikes that wasn't very good Batman movie
@@Realdealrob Agree to disagree! I love Forever and with the correct approach to restoring cut content, I feel that it is easily one of the best.
I hated this movie even when i was a kid.
Fake.