Andy's friend hysterically snatching an expensive bag off her hands and then trying to sabotage a call ten seconds later (which could have led to Andy being horribly scolded or fired) 😬
@@spiritualsnail1584 that girl was never a true friend. thats how you see who truly cares about you with shit like that. I notice when people see you having a successful high ranking job they can't ever achieve or wrap their minds are, they do shit like this to knock you down a peg.
@@60wwediva exactly, it's better to throw them in trash where they truly belong and walk away with your head held high. I swear had I been there in place of her I would have insulted them so bad that they wouldn't even dare to invite me anywhere and obviously would have snatched all my expensive gifts as well n said that these precious things don't deserve to be dumped into the garbage.
I also hate how Andy changing her style and getting more interested in what she wears is pictured as a bad thing, especially by Nate. She is surrounded by fashion every day, her whole job is around it, so it's only natural that she gets somewhat interested in it. That does not mean she changed at all. Gaining new interests is a normal thing to do and does not change who one is.
I also could not see her changing into a bad person at all. The Emily-Paris-thing was not really her fault, she did not willingly betray her or oush her aside but just did as her boss commanded her to do.
Exactly, I hated how they demand Andy not to change. Her being more fashionable and becoming more interested in fashion should not be viewed as a negative thing, it just shows that she's growing and has become more open minded about the industry. I hate Nate and his friends, they only like her when she's giving them branded clothes and make-up. Duhh parasite
like Andy wasnt even self absorbed, she didnt became narcissistic, she just realized how in order for her to understand the world of fashion, she has to take part in it, shes a journalist and adapting to that kind of situation is one of the few things she should do to get better with her skills, it didnt even affect her financially since she basically get free stuff out of Miranda's trash and most of the time her clothes are borrowed
I thought that all of them taking expensive gifts and then risking her job by taking her phone was incredibly ungrateful, especially when she's clearly panicking
I really disliked that they thought it was okay to risk her career for a mean-spirited joke. How many opportunities are there to get in to journalism in New York? Unless shed taken a dead end job in the full knowledge she'd never get anywhere, almost any entry level job in publishing or journalism in New York would have required long hours and no appreciation.
@@eduardochavacano the actress is actually an incredibly accomplished broadway performer. She was in the film version of RENT too. The character was awful but no need to be racist towards the actress, you POS
I agree wholeheartedly. Nate was imposing a double standard on her-if the roles were reversed, it's very likely that Andy would have been expected to support Nate in his career.
A very poorly written character - Andy should have dump him earlier. Plus, not realistic of anyone in food business in New York. Not a great role or performance for Adrian Grenier. His insecurity works better in Entourage.
I don't think it was possible for him to have been more supportive... Nate was who he had to be in this movie, unpalatable but correct. This allowed her the space to save herself instead of being saved by her boyfriend. Had Nate been written as a better, more supportive partner this movie would be about their relationship instead of her own personal realizations.
Nate always came across as the high school boyfriend and the same for her friends. They look grown up, but their mentality is still teenage drama based. Like the birthday scene and the way her friend over reacted about a kiss on the cheek. It's something you would see in any teenage themed show.
Ikr lily works in the art world. You mean to tell me you’ve never kisses someone on the cheek or have never been kissed on the cheek. Also she doesn’t know the context behind the kiss
The mature way to handle the kiss on the cheek is to ask your friend about it, ask what happened, NOT immediately think she’s cheating. Like REALLY?? I don’t think actual high schoolers are that immature.
Exactly. Her friend gives her this speech about knowing her for 16 years. Well if you knew her for 16 years, then wouldn’t you have the common sense to know that she obviously wouldn’t cheat on her boyfriend and instead ask about it??
If my guy friend kissed me on the cheek and ajd my best friend of 16 years just IMMEDIATELY assumed beyond a shadow of a doubt that I was cheating without even asking me for an explanation, I would be incredibly hurt. I'd be like, wow, thanks for being a terrible friend. Go on, leave. Good riddance.
Honestly, the movie would be perfect if it cut the scene of her apologizing to Nate out. Just cut from her walking away in Paris to her walking into her job interview at that small paper.
@@pearly872 well Christian was necessary to get the harry potter book and necessary to tell her about the Jacqueline/Miranda thing so Andy could try to warn Miranda
“Insecure, controlling” these are words women use to blame shift ... she did hook up with the other dude ... then got back with Andy without revealing what really happened. Oh yes, I know your type.
Nate is the type of boyfriends whose egos are so fragile they're unmanned by their girlfriends' success. He is toxic and so are Andy's friends. They readily accept her gifts but refuse to support her, or even attempt to understand her perspective, instead they gaslight her into thinking she's at fault. They're adults yet they throw a fit when Andy misses a birthday party. They're the real villains of the movie.
Its such an abusive relationship! And i feel like once she stepped away from miranda she should have been done with abuse all together, not just miranda/fashion abuse. But no, she goes back. It just shows that its hard to let go of familiar even if its bad for you - like that nasty grilled cheese 🤢
@@jukodebu but they knew it was only for a year and the friends were happy to get free stuff and be snobby about their own things. It shouldnt have been such a big deal. My friend went to school in england for a year but I never gave her crap about it. At least andy was still spending some time with her boyfriend and friends.
@@jukodebu She wasn't neglecting them. She literally just doesn't have a choice but still tries to have time for them. If your goal is to get your dream job someday which happens to be in a competitive field, you're bound to be quite as busy as Andy was especially if you have to work real hard. The boyfriend should be either supportive or just break up if he can't handle it rather than sulking and making Andy feel guilty everytime she comes home. Her friends too.
He was underestimating her ambitions, and overestimating his own selfish needs. And he's downright offensive when he accuses Andy of selling her dignity for dresses. He's a dirt bag.
wasnt she also looked down on those type of woman before while ranting to her bf? welp maybe in his eyes she become one of those girls she always ranted abt
And when she finally got rid of that dirt bag I felt like the trash itself went into the garbage can. But don't know what went wrong with the director of this movie that she went back to that toxic man.
Even worse, he insulted her before she dressed fashionably and then when she starts dressing pretty he says he liked her before? What even is that, man is never happy and just wants to put her down
I hated the bar scene. Nate just takes her phone, see who's calling and after he sees her reaction, he starts passing it around! And he's always victimizing himself! The only thing I don't agree with the video is that Andy leaves bc she doesn't want to end up screwing people, like Miranda did with Nigel. I think that was the breaking point for her And regarding Miranda, she built an empire, and it's hard to keep it at the top, if she behaves like this it's because it's the way she found. We clearly can see how she is with Nigel, she doesn't mistreat him, because she knows how well he works (and we can also see this with Andy when she gets better at her job). And by this I'm not saying that's not a completely stressful environment
@@AxelQC But Andy lasted a total of 6 months in that position. This was at the beginning, so here it was what? Like a month? And if you see your partner putting that much effort to stay at a job, you could at least not interfere
From his perspective, he doesn't know what's so scary about Miranda (which can be only understood once you meet her). He thinks Miranda will understand if he gave her a piece of his mind. Due to all the overwork,he thinks Andy is loosing her personality and turning into a slave. She didn't ever told him that she likes that job. And he thinks for a contract job with such low pay what essential would she be contributing to Runway let alone he finds fashion industry "silly" So there is no point in hating on him, he is a practical person, and Andy was supposed to write on real life problems once she becomes a journalist not someone's assistant who has to buy scarfs and arrange books for twins. Its really very complicated to understand Andy's life unless you see it.
@@ForteExpresso well yes, but this was just at the beginning, she maybe staid late at work at most, he didn't say anything about her job when she had the makeover (I mean, he says something later when she can't make it to his bday party) And I do understand what you're saying, it's a valid point, but he called Miranda the Dragon Lady, so he knew she was hard to deal with, and when Andy started saying "no, give it to me, guys please" or something like that, they kept laughing and passing her phone. And regardless of Andy liking her job or not, it still was work and I personally think they (friends included) should've respected that. She was really working hard bc as she stated, this job could open a lots of doors for her. Of course it's up to everyone's perspective, but I think he could have been more supportive
Well to be fair, they weren’t together by that point so it didn’t really matter. He said they could “figure something out” but nothing was really set in stone.
I'd understand Nate if that was her job for life, but it was supposed to be just a year. He could be concerned about her mental (and physical) health, but he's just an egoist crybaby.
Yes! Thank you! This is what bothered me the absolute most with Nate. The premiss was set from the start: This will last one year and then Andy gets to work WHEREVER SHE WANTS. So what she misses date night and a birthday. O N E Y E A R! The rest is a parade of red flags too, the staying up late just to go to bed when she comes home to make a point? POS behavior right there. One year, Nate. One year. Suck it up.
"you're not acting the way I want you to be so I'm going to throw hissy fits while you work your ass off." I mean that's a thing that happens irl... Sometimes people don't like the way others grow and one partners growth can outpace the other. That's okay, adults amicably split if it's a deal breaker. Children act like it's some kind of deep moral sin for a person to ever change or to change in a way they don't expect. Bro if you're over 20 you should understand people are their own people and they don't really owe you anything in their personal growth. Sorry it really bothers me. Such an old fairy tale fantasy idea of relationships.
The *EXTRA* worse thing is, he'd probably be this way even when she became a journalist. They don't work 9-5, get weekends off, or get all holidays off, and the ones working in New York likely have some of the craziest, busiest schedules. This was just a preview, imo, of how he's likely going to act in the long-run. Oh, and he became a Sous Chef. They don't work reasonable hours, either. He was just a gross, unsympathetic character. Andy could have done better!! 😂
Thank for pointing this out. It was literally 1 YEAR! Like they are adults with their own careers and they could not support her for a year even if they didn’t see her as much. I could see if she went over that year and was still at that job making no progress to leave like she said she would for her original plan.
@@redhedgehogocarina Yea my girlfriend works in catering as a kitchen manager and during the summer she works 12+ hour shifts 10 days in a row. Nate is a dickhead who only wants to see his own career grow and for his girlfriend to be the low wage worker that is reliant on him.
Alternate ending I've just come up with: Andy quits working for Miranda but also ditches her friends AND dumps her boyfriend AND makes up with Emily AND gets her own column in her new job AND bumps into Miranda like 10 years later in an epilogue scene. That's the only ending I'm accepting. Thanks for coming to my TEDTalk.
I haven't even watched this yet and I agree. If Andy were in med school of some kind, or just starting out a career in healthcare, with all the crazy hours they have to work, her friends would probably be more understanding. When you're an actual adult, you don't have time to spend 4 hours every day hanging out with friends. It's often about quality time, rather than quantity. I hated the part of the movie where she was finally succeeding at work, and they were whining about how they never see her anymore.
In healthcare, people barely have time to eat and sleep. Andy would have been so tired , she would probably make them shut up. Really , people need to earn and do something in life which can be very busy ! The friends won't feed her or pay the bills , and dare to accuse her !
But she is not in a medical field. Fashion or journalism is not a respected field. Fashion journalist only make women feel.bad about their bodies and it is elitist.
I used to date a chef. They work.... A LOT. Late nights, long hours, holiday and weekends. I can't imagine if my chef boyfriend criticized me for working too much, then turned around and went off to work his 12 hour shift on New Years or something.
That scene where Andy's friends are passing around her phone and threatening to answer has always bothered me, especially the way it's framed. Just look at the expressions on their faces when Andy finally managed to get her phone back, as if she's being unreasonable and obsessive. She's starting to enjoy her job and takes it seriously... only for her friends to sneer and mock her dedication. Ugh.
So glad you also brought up that Andy didn’t have a choice going to Paris. She was going to get fired if she refused. It’s not a choice when the only other option is “lose your livelihood and all future prospects before your career has even really started.” I just thought it was a weak comparison to Miranda in the end. Like Miranda betrayed her longtime colleague Nigel after making a promise to him, despite already having an amazing entire career and tons of wealth to her name. Andy “betrayed” a coworker she barely knew, who treated her like shit, who she didn’t promise anything to, to avoid ruining her own budding career in an already extremely competitive field. Plus Miranda forced Andy to call Emily on the spot- “do it now” -which led to Emily getting hit by a car. So of course Emily’s going to be upset, but it’s literally all Miranda’s fault.
Yes, exactly! I felt it strange to compare Andy vased on this to Miranda, too. She literally did not do anything but what her boss commanded her to do; and we also saw that Miranda was right in choosing Andy because she WAS more capable. It's not like Andy tricked Miranda into taking her over Emily or willingly pushed her aside. In general I could not see Andy changing a bit during her time at Runway. Yes, she got interested in fashion more and really determined for her job, but that did not change her character traits (friendly, witty, compassionate) at all.
Also like how was Emily going to go in the first place seeing as she was, lemme see, HOSPITALIZED. So yea when your main employee that you were going to take on a business trip is hospitalized and going to be recovering while the trip is going on you take the next person in line for that. That is not betraying anyone and I never fucking understood the angle the movie took on that. If my coworker can't make it to work and I get called in and take that shift I am not betraying that coworker.
So I'm gonna pretend Andy broke up with Nate, had a husband and daughter, started an online company and hired Robert De Niro as her intern. Now I'm at peace.
The flaw of the Devil Wears Prada is the demonization of female ambition and empowerment. Both Miranda and Andy are cautionary tales of this trope, and it’s really annoying and frustrating.
Nah, Miranda was a narcissistic boss and I'm shocked people don't realise and would rather call Nate a villain for clearly seeing the toxic impact the job had on Andy.
I couldn’t agree more. I was so, so, SO bothered that the movie kept pushing this like “unique quirky girl” narrative. It was the classic “oh she doesn’t care too much about how she looks and therefore she isn’t shallow and stupid like all the other girls”. They made the runway girls seem like brainless idiots, when really girls can care a lot about how they look and still be smart. It was even somewhat shown in the movie that the models knew fashion history and background. So I have no clue why it ended with that whole “she’s not like the other runway girls” thing.
Except Miranda is supposed to be a staple of what it looks like when you don’t have a work-life balance and sell your soul to your job. It’s clear from the fact that she neglects her children and how her marriage falls apart in the movie that this is what she represents. Plus it’s hard to feel empathy for her considering how abusive she is to her employees.
They don't, Andy wanted a career as a Journalist, and she got it. What's more empowering to say screw this job I want to go back to my real dream and fulfill it?
nate was acting as if andy enjoyed the stress and having to chose between his birthday and the event, he didn’t bother to try and understand what must have been like for her to be at the event and feel terrible about herself
I’m so glad someone else brought up nates choice of work. Like the food industry doesn’t expect the world of u too. And I don’t like how he sticks up for Emily about the Paris think. Seriously? He’s sticking up for the person who did her best to make Andy’s time at work miserable? The person who would have gladly THROWN Andy under that bus in order to take that trip? And yeah, her friends are the worst. I really hated her friend who flipped out on her for being kissed on the cheek. Ok, u have known me for 13 years but ur first reaction is that I’m having some sordid affair with this “fashion guy”? Don’t get me wrong it looks sus as heck, but I would have at least approached the subject with an open mind and no judgment at first. She ur friend for over a decade and u can’t even give her the benefit of the doubt for a minute? The worst people! Couldn’t even give her a year to try to make her dreams come true because they liked her when she didn’t look better than them. I suppose when nates high powered job takes off and he has no more time for Andy she’ll be expected to suck it up and deal with it instead of being selfish and demanding he quit.
This is so true. The last impression I had by the end of the movie was how Nate finally felt worthy again and superior, because now he had this demanding dream job whilst Andy went back to job interviews, less glamorous than before, when she had Runaway. That smug look on his face said sure, come back to me, I might just fix you some space in my schedule and burn you some of that delicious 8 dollars cheese. And she just smiles as if she's lucky to be with him again. 🤢
I hated that scene too. When he gets his dream job, they "will just figure it out" but when she was doing her career he was like a braggy child. Such a narcissist.
Yeah you think she'd presume 1) that's he's gay as is the stereotype 2) know that European style kissing of acquaintances is common in Fashion (especially since she's in the NYC Art field)
Nate is never portrayed as working long hours in the film, though. He is consistently seen present with Andy and her friends which implies that he doesn't work late into the night. He could work at a small brunch place, for example, that is only open until 3pm. Basing an entire thesis on his job title is just plain silly. It isn't really "proof" of anything.
Growing up is realizing Miranda actually did the most for Andy by teaching her the ins and outs of the fashion world and giving her a glowing reference and her friends and bf are the actual villains
I always thought the whole “missing the boyfriend’s birthday thing” was crazy. Like it’s a birthday, you aren’t a 5 year old kid anymore. It’s not like you can’t celebrate it some other time.
My husband and I always exchange the same complaints and commentary during those scenes -- when Nate asks, "What, am I, four?" we always exclaim, "YES!" 😂
What makes me laugh is that mediocir men forget their wife's or girlfriend's birthday all the time in everyday life and people say to the woman, "give him a break, he works hard". If a woman does it, she is neglectful!
infuriating, but also realistic. When you start succeeding, there will always be people that pull you down, because their egos are fragile. I like to image she dumped nate 6 months after the last scene.
Before watching the analysis : Finally. I told my mom this. Nate couldnt support Andy without his own selfishness in the way. A high powered career mixed with fashion she definitely deserved better. She honestly settled with Nathan. It's like nothing she did to better herself was good enough and her reverting back to her old self was better for him. Gross.
Whats worse is he literally puts her down for having no fashion sense at the start and when she starts dressing pretty he hates it. Not exactly coincidence there
FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT - the fact that he’s mad at her for missing his stupid birthday dinner bc she was AT THE MET GALA!!! OMG at least Harry Crane was happy for her
There's hatred and then there's the insane rage I feel when Nate says "you look really pretty" in that backhanded mopey infuriating way. That would've been enough cause for a breakup in my eyes
I know! It's makes you wish she said "Yeah, I do. And I wasted it on coming home to a big man-baby instead of talking to the person who could have made these last few months of work worth it!" Then blow out the candle on the cupcake, throw it on the floor, turn around and go back to the MET and meet the editor of the publication she really wanted to work for.
@@melissashiels7838 YES I would love to see that scenario in the movie, that would be ULTIMATE happy end. Andy realizing that she doesn't need nor her whiny envious boyfriend nor her fake friends, and goes to make good connections in the industry and getting job of her dream and new boyfriend she deserves
I really hated that scene where she was wearing that dress, and he was looking her up and down and whining ' I miss the old Andy'. Like over the way she was freaking dressed?? First of all the dress wasn't even that fancy, it was cute ,and he only seemed to care when she showed her bra, which... I know he's the boyfriend, but still. And she looked really cute! I know it's supposed to be a message about ' just accept yourself', but it just felt saying 'I don't like you in that dress, I don't approve of it. ' It just felt manipulative.
I mean, yes Andy did have a choice, it wasn’t a “either go to Paris or I’ll pull the trigger” scenario. But at the end of the day, you have to do what is right for you and your career. You have to take opportunities that will help you succeed in life. And doing so doesn’t make you a bad person. That being said, I found Nate and the others extremely irritating and I really don’t like how they painted Andy as this manipulative psychopathic diva either. I felt they could of given her more supportive friends.
At her age too..she's what 23,24? She's a junior starting out at an organisation so she needs to prove her worth. Even if she worked for WaPo or BBC, they'd ask her to probably work overtime and go to different places.
I think if nick would sacrified his time for job (like Andy, so we have mirror situation), there wouldn't be argument that "he needs to do what is right for his career". It is all about Andy and her change, that workplace change her 180 degrees. Career is important, but the plot of the movie show as that there are some boundaries. Andy crossed that boundary, learned a lesson. It's really mad world if you put your career ahead of love and friends. In some way this movie is about fight between toxic perfectionism (Miranda) and meaningful life (Andy).
@@lajvedsies I totally agree. I didn't get the impression that Andy was crawling back to Nate at all....in fact, she did her best to amend things even after she left Runway. That is seen with Emily when she calls with "all these clothes from Paris." Then she let's Nate know he was right about his observation of her obsession. My take was she just wanted to make peace and move on before the job interview. She gets the job she wants, Miranda's good reference (to her surprise) and emerges from everything, a more learned and self-assured person. I loved the acknowledgement from Andy when she and Miranda lock eyes. And we're left with the secret pleasure Miranda reveals about this with her smile. Personally, I hope she doesn't return to Nate. He was not right for her clearly. In fact, I'd love to know if he actually learned HIS lesson in all of this. We're not told that, are we? Regardless, I would call this a success story on Andy's part.
At least Andy and Miranda parted ways as having mutual respect for each other. Andy grew to respect Miranda and the various facets of her job and life, Miranda grew to respect Andy and her efforts as an intelligent and hard working assistant. Nate had no such growth, and Andy went crawling back. It gets me so mad
I think the Andy taking the Paris trip was directed like it was Andy's fault because she felt like it was. Andy has been punished for every good thing that's happened to her so far at this point and she's prepared for Paris to be just as punishing.
@@AxelQC well Emily was unable to go she didn’t steal the trip it was go or more than likely be fired Go on a trip to Paris 🤷🏻♀️ or lose my high paying journalism job
@@AxelQC her co-worker was in a hospital with a broken leg. unless you planned to drag her along to paris in a wheelchair, i think youre just being straight up disingenuous here
@@AxelQC but she was just her co worker. It's not like they were close friends or anything, they were there to do a job and one of them couldn't do it so the other filled in.
lmao one of the moments I really fell for my current partner was when I was watching this movie and he was sitting next to me finishing some work. When the birthday scene came up and Nate threw a fit, I hear this loud, "Such an a**hole!" I didn't realize my partner was even paying attention to it! Now whenever i bring it up, he gets mad because Andy got back with Nate at the end :'D
the Paris trip threatened not only Andy’s current job, but her entire New York journalist dream when Miranda says that if Andy doesn’t take it, then she won’t consider her serious about her future in this or Any Other Publication. We never actually see Andy go back to her other friends at the end, and Nate is about to move to Boston, so they leave the door open for them to work out or not.
Self-care is watching The Devil Wears Prada and skipping the part where Andy and Nate get back together: in this edit, Andy has a new respect for what women have to go through to reach the top in a male dominated industry, and chooses her own happiness, single, clear headed, and wiser for the experience - without Nate. 😊😌
I certainly felt a bit uneasy that the film did not make her friends and boyfriend villains when Andy started to adapt because that is exactly what you are supposed to do in every job.
what miranda does in the movie, calling her outside work hours, is not that uncommon, and we have to comply to keep our jobs. anyone who works would understand that much. she needed the job, it was a good job, and they were pricks instead of understanding that, yeah, it was a hard job. most jobs are hard
@@theRainbowbr it's part of a new movement in work environments, sadly. my work psychology professor said in work relationships are promoted so that people mix work with their personal lives, making the boundaries blurrier
@@Yaffa25 yeah i had a boss that said i wasn't being a "team player" because they updated the website on the weekend without testing (absolutely his decision) and monday he said it was urgent and complained that i (the intern) didn't stay outside of my hours to help fix it. i quit the next day. he was also very bothered that i didn't have lunch with them every time
I like to think the ending hinted verrrry subtly that Nate might be closer to on the outs than we thought. How? With the clothes Andy was wearing. No, she wasn't wearing designer clothes anymore, but she wasn't wearing her old clothes either. Because THAT'S the real impression the job left on her: finally understanding the importance in putting some effort into your appearance, even if it's only for yourself.
Exactly. In the end I noticed her new style is a mix between her old self and her “fashionista” self. Her hair is neat and straightened - unlike the frizzy mess it was in the beginning, and even though the clothes are muted and less extravagant, they still look good and fit her good, where in the beginning, her clothes fit her awkwardly and it looked like she was trying to hide in them. Plus she’s also wearing some cute heeled boots at the end. In the beginning, she scoffed when Nigel offered her heels to wear. I can’t believe some people believe she “reverted”. She found a balance that was a nice call back to her original self, but had the added effect of making her look more put together and mature.
Maybe no one ever hires/wants him cooking in their restaurant because he's not a good chef and he only thinks he is and everyone in the friend group is really just being supportive SO HE WOULDN'T ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE IN-DEMAND!!! Wow. This movie is so subtle.
My career is very demanding and I've had some tough bosses. I've had to learn to sacrifice with a happy heart because you don't get credit in my field if you sacrifice and struggle. I've worked holidays, weekends, nights. I've had jealous partners who sabotaged me and tried to make me feel bad about my career. They didn't last. In a career worth having, sometimes, you have to step it up and do the job the way the boss wants it done and be a support to your boss, a partner of sorts. This is what Andy learned. She learned the art of being a good support to her boss and she learned she was really capable and competent. Andy's friends and boyfriend saw that Andy was moving up faster than they were and it threatened them. When you look at how Nate dressed, his motivation, his life, it didn't change across the movie, and yet, Andy's did. The gap between the two widened across the film. If they had stayed together past the end of the movie, it would not have lasted because Andy's view of herself, her capability, and her power and ability to make her life happen had changed and Nate was left spinning his wheels while Andy was growing. Her friends and boyfriend are a reflection of who she was, not who she was becoming.
@@lily904 you do want some crunch though 😂 but yeah, it's so burned, and that's always bothered me too. What chef can't make a one ingredient sandwich??
I really wish there was a scene in the movie where Andy just flat out asked Nate what he wanted her to do. Quit? Waste all the effort and time she put in? Because basically her only options are to quit or to suck it up and put in the time so that she can move on to something (hopefully) better. She’s only doing her job. Like they both know the situation sucks. She obviously would spend more time with him and her friends if she could. But Nate acts like it’s a personal attack on him, like she’s choosing her work over him and their friends. She made it clear from the beginning that this job is a stepping stone for her future career. Most adults understand that sometimes you have to work terrible jobs to get the experience you need to move forward in your career. If Nate had gotten a wonderful promotion and needed to work longer and crazier hours, Andy would’ve been bummed, yes, but she would’ve been happy for him and understood. She just happened to be the one who had a chance to progress first. At the end of the day, they both would have to make sacrifices to be successful in their jobs. Nate shouldn’t be surprised by this. He shouldn’t guilt trip her. If there’s a problem, they should talk about it, but he knew going in that she wanted to have a career. Anyway, Andy was going through hell, and it’s amazing she wasn’t having full blown panic attacks by the end of the movie. Especially with the horrible support system she had. She really deserved to have some friends who rooted for her and boosted her up when she felt like her job was drowning her. Or at the very least, some that didn’t always try to undermine and mock her. Anyway, great analysis! It’s nice to see so many people understand that her relationship with her boyfriend and friends really was not very healthy or rewarding for her. Everyone deserves to have friends who respect and care for them, and I hope everyone here can find those people. 😊♥️
I agree that Andy's boyfriend and friends were judgmental and unsupportive. But Andy didn't quit for Nate or anybody else. She quit because she realized Miranda expected her to have the same principles and ethics which Andy doesn't agree with. Andy didn't make up with Nate as a girlfriend, but as a friend. Proof: she was going to pursue a new job in a different location from his. That she liked what he said about them being able to work something out despite the distance was for me more out of keeping the friendship more than resuming their romantic relationship. Andy walking alone and smiling at the end after that successful job interview shows that she's happy on her own and she knows what she wants.
I don't think anyone has a problem with her quitting. Just groveling to Nate to take her back and apologising for doing what any intern would do, while demanding nothing from him.
She deserved better EVERYONE! Even her father wasn't supportive of her. And the irony is that her bf wanted her to quit her job cuz he hated it and later he left for his job...
also YES i love love love this rant. i still scoff in disbelief at her friends LITERALLY GOING "ooh ahh!!!!!" in excitement over the SEVERAL THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS worth of gifts she gives them then MINUTES LATER try to get her fired. gets my blood boiling every time
Let me tell you something. I’m Libertarian and I come from a family of strong men and women. There is nothing masculine about Andy’s character. In fact, I view his character as extremely effeminate and representative of a weak generation of men who grew up receiving participation trophies... a typical champagne socialist who would take women’s study classes and virtue signal all day. There is no such thing as “toxic masculinity”, just as there is no such thing as “toxic femininity”. There are only “toxic people”... People who rely on manipulation to serve their own selfish agendas.
"who says this during an interview????" FOR REAL. i just finished job hunting and i was watching this like GIRL i know we're supposed to feel sorry for her but that was legit a TERRIBLE interview lmao
I remember that every time me and my brother watch that movie, we really hated Nate and Andy’s friend, we always thought they were the most toxic and jealous group of friends and boyfriend a person could have, like seriously, She should’ve ditch them and find a better group of people.
This is a relevant example of a common life experience in your 20’s. Outgrowing relationships among a group of friends who are still figuring themselves out -and not adapting to changes.
some friends want their friends to not grow or change because they feel left behind. I remember feeling very upset when some of my friends got engaged. And likewise, some of my friends were upset when I was the first to buy a house.
I always wondered why I love this movie, specifically Andy's character. Then I realized it's because I relate so much to Andy. I used to be in a friend group like hers and now that the years have passed I can look back and see how toxic they were. Her friends and Nate treated her that way because growing up she was probably the awkward one who did alright in school but didn't have much life experience. They push her around because they see her as a child and feel they're better than her in some way to shore up their own insecurities. Deep down Andy knows she is more than capable of success but just has to tap into it and stop keeping herself small to fit in with bad-minded people. When her friends saw her standing up for herself and become her own person, they felt threatened. Without the silly and weak Andy around to make fun of and look down on, how were they gonna feel better about their own miserable lives?
The way Andy's "friends" disrespect her gives me the vibe they're Nate's friends first, and she only became friends with them through Nate, so they'll always take his side.
Her girlfriend pissed me off the most, not only did she never even say thank u for the ninteen hundred dollar bag but then disses her when her boss called. Then getting all high and mighty cause some guy kisses Andy on the cheek....THE CHEEK. She was a douchebag. And Nate, not only was he incapable of supporting her but shit on everything she did. He needed to go.
Finally, somebody has said it out loud - THANK YOU! In my opinion, the last scene between Andy and Nate is an annoying letdown in an otherwise completely convincing coming-of-age-story. As a viewer, one wants to tell Andy to wake up fully, widen her gaze just this little bit more and realize that she is holding on to relationships that were always just as flawed as the one she had with her boss. Obviously, the people in that circle of "friends" usually thought of Andy as a kind of loser, somebody wih big dreams and aspirations but no real chance of making them come alive. She has outgrown them and that is why we as spectators feel that this last scene is so demeaning and useless. She is crawling back into a skin that has become too small in order to fit in and feel at home; I think we can all identify with this behaviour and that makes us cringe even more. After all, it is very much easier to distance yourself from an outsider such as your boss than from the people you believe to be your "family". But I also think it is comforting to imagine that Andy WILL open her eyes eventually and it is up to us as lovers of this film and its characters to write the following scenes ourselves, so to speak. Go for it, Andy! Thanks for sharing your thoughts, they are spot on. Very big THUMBS UP! :o)
Really? I didn't think she was getting back with Nate and I believe she did ditch her ungrateful friends. I saw the end as a resolution of the relationships, but with an effort to be amicable.
I definitely hated that she was apologizing for reasons that didn't actually exist (she was simply investing in her job, not abandoning anyone) and THEN when she says, "And for what?" He actually answers her! What a snide, ungrateful creep! I like the idea of creating our own following scenes. ...Though really I just prefer to mute that last one and pretend she's saying they should have both communicated better and she's [only] sorry for her part in it 😁
My husband was all for going to work early, coming home late until I got my first job as an attorney. That was now a problem and couldn’t be tolerated…by him. And sabotage? Heck, yeah.
Yes!! This! He was such a brat. And when he got an opportunity in Boston, did she sulk or act like he was doing some horrible thing to her? They positioned Andy’s immersion into the culture at Runway this way to make women feel bad about being career driven. She needed to take ONE year of her life to start building her career in a cutthroat industry and a city where it’s notoriously difficult to survive. Who cares if she began to see the full spectrum of what runway had to offer instead of committing to being a miserable misfit for the next year of her life. Nate and her friends acted like children because they didn’t want her to grow, and they were biased against fashion.
Whilst I completely agree, I think the key thing to remember, is that, in the book; Andy *did* stay miserable and relatively unchanged at Runway, and it's been pointed out that the biggest difference between the novel and the movie, is that the main character in the motion picture has character development, whilst the same in the novel, stays pretty much one dimensional.
One dimensional as in she doesn't get brainwashed into believing that the shade of blue in a sweater is a life-defining and that her sadistic boss is a wronged heroine? Frankly the book was realistic, while the film went out of its way to excuse an abusive boss and validate the mindset that treating people badly is justified. Also, in the book her boyfriend and friends don't treat her badly, and Nate calmly breaks up with her because he doesn't like the ways she changed and feels they have outgrown each other.
@@mariak143 the film never validates Miranda's behaviour. You see the fallout she has from acting the way she does; sure she has a powerful job, but nobody likes her, her family life is in shambles, and Andy realises that it's a miserable existence to be constantly fucking over everyone around you
@@jadencore I don't agree. Sure, it shows that success requires sacrifices, but it presents her behaviour as necessary for success, when most of it was just plain entitlement and had nothing to do with her job. Ironically, Andy leaves over something that, while awful, was understandable (screwing over Nigel was a betrayal, but it was her own career on the line) while giving her a pass over stupid whims, like demanding to fly during a hurricane and getting her kids an unpublished book.
It always rung odd to me that he chooses at the end to move for his dream. That kind of move is ambitious, requires sacrifice, and shows prioritizing his future. How does he not understand her biting the bullet to move her career forward? She is literally doing the same thing...
I never watch the scene when she apologises to Nate. In my world she kicks him and the friends to the curb......which is what I would have done in her place.
Something I want to point out in agreement with this: some jobs just take a huge time commitment. My fiancé is about to leave for military service. I've known how important his career is to him for years now. Do I talk with him about making sure to make time for people, and trying to establish a healthy work/personal life balance? Of course. Do I whine at him for prioritizing his career, for doing things that put him in a good place, for spending time at work? Absolutely not. We've talked about what our careers mean to us, what sacrifices we're going to have to make (especially in the first few years when you're getting established), and what that's going to mean to us. Like I'm sorry, if he missed my birthday because something hugely important came up at work last minute? I'd be sad, sure, but I have friends, and there are other days in the week. We'll reschedule. Hell, I'm going to have more birthdays, too. It's temporary, I can deal. I mean, my fiancé is going to miss my birthday this year- he's going to be gone, we know this already. When you're an adult and you're trying to build a better life for yourself and your family, these things happen. Have a conversation about whether this is a temporary thing or whether it's going to become the norm, decide if you can handle it if it IS the norm, and move on. Not to mention, HOW MANY MOVIES have we gotten where the dutiful wife/girlfriend waits at home while a man gets this big character arc at work, in the military, whatever? And they might be frustrated when he misses things like birthdays, but he NEVER leaves his career over it- by the end of those films, the man simply learns to balance a bit better, if the "lonely wife at home" trope is even addressed in the resolution. But we get one career woman and all of a sudden her "lonely, neglected" (busy chef) boyfriend is the victim? Yeah I love this movie, but I hate her boyfriend and friends. She should have ditched them at the end.
I think it was a sacrifice the writers had to make to raise the stakes. I wondered why her friends were so clingy. At least Emily was upfront about being judgy.
This reminds me of my friend whose impressive performance got her invited to a company dinner at an extremely expensive restaurant. It wasn’t a plus-one event and her husband was so pissed off about not getting to go that he had her order a FILET MIGNON as her course meal, discreetly wrap it up in a napkin, put it in her PURSE, and excuse herself to the restroom so that she could go out to the parking lot where he was waiting in his car to hand over to him. She didn’t see ANYTHING wrong with this because she was so focused on being a “good wife.” If my husband demanded this and I discovered that he wasn’t joking, I’d google divorce attorneys on the spot.
These reasons were literally why I couldn’t watch this movie a 2nd time. I love the fashion aspect, but the friends and her boyfriend were so uncomfortably cruel.
The movie makes it seem that being ambitious is a bad thing. I understand that Andy was not interested in fashion, but like most People who have jobs. You learn & adapt. Plus she was starting to enjoy her job & was thriving. I was more surprised how her friends acted. The whole scene where they take her phone, was a dick move. That her boss. I am sure they have bosses too. They made her feel guilty & at the end she made her relationship priority.
I didn't think it framed ambition as a bad thing, it showed the reality of what being the most ambitious person in the room looks like. You make a shit ton of sacrifices and if you are like Miranda, you take them on the chin and keep going even if you lose some of your humanity. Let's not forget that she throws Nigel's opportunity under the bus to save herself and any personal relationships because she views her job as more important. Then you have people like Andy, who sees what the sacrifices do and decides that it's too much for her. Both of them are still satisfied at the end because they both have chosen their own ways.
When I was in college and had a serious bf, I had the opportunity to travel to Alabama and volunteer for Habitat for Humanity over Spring Break. He was furious when I told him I was going. I did go but then a few months later my brother invited me to go to Europe with him. Stupid me turned it down because I was afraid of losing the bf if I had gone to Europe. So the bf and I broke up shortly after that Once that happened I vowed to myself I would never again allow a guy to control me like that
Nate is the kind of guy who thinks he's feminist because he "likes girls who aren't like the other girls." But that's just a personal preference at best and its own form of sexism at worst. I headcanon that they parted ways amicably about six months after the movie ends, because while Andy's new job was certainly less demanding I doubt he was any more supportive.
I first saw this movie as a kid and just saw the movie in the shallow "Boss is mean and tried to change this good girl into a bad person but she eventually chooses to stand up for herself" view. When I rewatched the movie as an adult in a very VERY cut-throat and demanding career with a toxic environment, I found myself empathizing and learning from the Andy we see in the middle of the film. Trying to convince yourself that you're better than the people at your job and that it's not cool to integrate yourself and your mindset into the job will not do you any good. You'll hate your job and always be negative and angry which isn't at all healthy and you won't succeed at said job. Don't fight against the tide, learn to swim, then use the waves to propel you where you wanna go. The movie should have ended with Andy and Miranda exchanging looks. No reuniting with Nate and hopefully a scene of Andy blocking contact with her "friends" who are just as immature and insensitive. Those friends were only good for Andy when she was just as cynical as the rest of them but now that Andy has matured, she's outgrown them and deserves better
I really don't see it that way. No job is worth digging your own grave, especially if you'll be stuck in the same position and not progress. Andy made the best decision for her mental health when she left that toxic work environment and narcissistic boss. Yes there are lessons to be learnt, the first one being PUTTING YOUR HEALTH FIRST. let's stop glamorizing BS.
I agree that mental health should be valued. I do wanna say that sadly, most people do not have the luxury to just leave their job despite the toxicity, even if ideally, jobs shouldn't be so toxic in the first place. Andy stayed in her job because she needed something from it (recommendation) but honestly, she still could have gone to be a lawyer and had her family pay for it. So for most people, the only way to survive is to work around the stress and toxicity since they cannot leave as easily. I would LOVE to work in a non-toxic career, believe me but sadly, it is not in the cards right now.
And the part at the end where she APOLOGIZED for actually making the best of an industry that she didn’t see value in before but would lead to her fulfilling her dreams, she asked what it was all for and he said “shoes, shirts…” What?? That is the absolute least of any possible point that could be made about what it was all for. It angered me so much.
This movie could’ve been a feminism icon. She grows to love fashion, finds her passion, and travels the world but aims to be a kinder, more compassionate person than Miranda by nourishing friendships. Instead, she throws it all away for a dead best boyfriend who doesn’t support her dreams and feels threatened because he doesn’t understand. What kind of an ending IS that? It’s okay to give up your dreams because some boyfriend your dating makes fun of you for it? That’s it’s okay to let OTHER people decide what you should accomplish in life because of their insecurities? If he was loving and kind and supportive and genuine and tried to be there for her, that would be one thing. Not some sullen, argumentative, passive-aggressive loser.
Every time I watch this movie I just get really really mad at how unsupportive her friends and family are, and I feel like most of the reason she walked away from such a good job and a great career is that her friends and boyfriend manipulated her into it. It makes me so mad
I just rewatched this movie after years and seriously I was so shocked that she was the one who said sorry in the end, and how her boyfriend (and friends) didn't say sorry back to her as well after how they treated her. The only "somewhat" redeeming character was the friend who was invested to talk to her about her new interest in her job
Yessss!!!! Thank you for this. He was the undercover ball n chain that kept her from bettering herself. Lily was the second worst. She was a hypocrite. But wait. Andy didn’t go back to Nate. They stayed friends. He went to Boston or something and she stayed in NY. through Miranda’s recommendation, Andy got a job at a small news paper. Exactly what she always wanted. When We see Miranda smile at the end, it was over how Andy had BETTERED herself but on Andy’s terms. Just like Miranda. She was proud of being part of that change.
I watched this movie and thought the same thing: Andy's friends knew FULL well her boss was a huge bitch and they still decided it would be funny at her expense when she didn't like it at all and expressed it
Thanks for voicing all this - it's always been something in the back of my mind and I couldn't quite articulate it. I think we all fell for his dark eyes.. but right on for all the friends.
It frustrates me that the movie demonized Andy for things that weren't her fault. Having to work absurdly long hours and constantly be on call for your boss *is* bad but it's not the employee's fault! Her friends and boyfriend sucked, but that doesn't mean Miranda is the "real hero of the movie" like a lot of people think.
Her bringing her friends awesome gifts only to be pranked immediately afterwards was the ultimate “Girl, get out of there” moment
Andy's friend hysterically snatching an expensive bag off her hands and then trying to sabotage a call ten seconds later (which could have led to Andy being horribly scolded or fired) 😬
@@spiritualsnail1584 that girl was never a true friend. thats how you see who truly cares about you with shit like that. I notice when people see you having a successful high ranking job they can't ever achieve or wrap their minds are, they do shit like this to knock you down a peg.
@@60wwediva But she took the bag… she isn’t getting any bags if she gets Andy fired
@@60wwediva exactly, it's better to throw them in trash where they truly belong and walk away with your head held high. I swear had I been there in place of her I would have insulted them so bad that they wouldn't even dare to invite me anywhere and obviously would have snatched all my expensive gifts as well n said that these precious things don't deserve to be dumped into the garbage.
I mean is find to joke but ...is her job we are talking about, a very very important job that she is being working very hard for
I also hate how Andy changing her style and getting more interested in what she wears is pictured as a bad thing, especially by Nate. She is surrounded by fashion every day, her whole job is around it, so it's only natural that she gets somewhat interested in it. That does not mean she changed at all. Gaining new interests is a normal thing to do and does not change who one is.
I also could not see her changing into a bad person at all. The Emily-Paris-thing was not really her fault, she did not willingly betray her or oush her aside but just did as her boss commanded her to do.
@@noreng4933 “just did as her boss commanded her to do” Her boss commanded her to be a dick
Exactly, I hated how they demand Andy not to change. Her being more fashionable and becoming more interested in fashion should not be viewed as a negative thing, it just shows that she's growing and has become more open minded about the industry. I hate Nate and his friends, they only like her when she's giving them branded clothes and make-up. Duhh parasite
like Andy wasnt even self absorbed, she didnt became narcissistic, she just realized how in order for her to understand the world of fashion, she has to take part in it, shes a journalist and adapting to that kind of situation is one of the few things she should do to get better with her skills, it didnt even affect her financially since she basically get free stuff out of Miranda's trash and most of the time her clothes are borrowed
That's happens when your boyfriend is delusional
I thought that all of them taking expensive gifts and then risking her job by taking her phone was incredibly ungrateful, especially when she's clearly panicking
I really disliked that they thought it was okay to risk her career for a mean-spirited joke. How many opportunities are there to get in to journalism in New York? Unless shed taken a dead end job in the full knowledge she'd never get anywhere, almost any entry level job in publishing or journalism in New York would have required long hours and no appreciation.
But scene was realistic... given ugly friends like Lily.
If I give you a $3,000 purse I got from my job, and then you put my job at risk?? I’m taking back the purse and ending the friendship
freethegoats the actress only got the job because they needed a black girl in the cast. They could have hired a prettier Emily.
@@freethegoats FACTS
@@eduardochavacano the actress is actually an incredibly accomplished broadway performer. She was in the film version of RENT too. The character was awful but no need to be racist towards the actress, you POS
The last thing that guy was was supportive
I agree wholeheartedly. Nate was imposing a double standard on her-if the roles were reversed, it's very likely that Andy would have been expected to support Nate in his career.
A very poorly written character - Andy should have dump him earlier. Plus, not realistic of anyone in food business in New York. Not a great role or performance for Adrian Grenier. His insecurity works better in Entourage.
That guy was an angel for her
I agree, they cut her no slack while she was trying to make money and keep a job. And…everybody knows employers in any field ask a lot of employees.
I don't think it was possible for him to have been more supportive... Nate was who he had to be in this movie, unpalatable but correct.
This allowed her the space to save herself instead of being saved by her boyfriend. Had Nate been written as a better, more supportive partner this movie would be about their relationship instead of her own personal realizations.
Nate always came across as the high school boyfriend and the same for her friends. They look grown up, but their mentality is still teenage drama based. Like the birthday scene and the way her friend over reacted about a kiss on the cheek. It's something you would see in any teenage themed show.
Ikr lily works in the art world. You mean to tell me you’ve never kisses someone on the cheek or have never been kissed on the cheek. Also she doesn’t know the context behind the kiss
The mature way to handle the kiss on the cheek is to ask your friend about it, ask what happened, NOT immediately think she’s cheating. Like REALLY?? I don’t think actual high schoolers are that immature.
Exactly. Her friend gives her this speech about knowing her for 16 years. Well if you knew her for 16 years, then wouldn’t you have the common sense to know that she obviously wouldn’t cheat on her boyfriend and instead ask about it??
If my guy friend kissed me on the cheek and ajd my best friend of 16 years just IMMEDIATELY assumed beyond a shadow of a doubt that I was cheating without even asking me for an explanation, I would be incredibly hurt. I'd be like, wow, thanks for being a terrible friend. Go on, leave. Good riddance.
Honestly, the movie would be perfect if it cut the scene of her apologizing to Nate out. Just cut from her walking away in Paris to her walking into her job interview at that small paper.
Agreed.
i disagree.
Yep
@@pearly872 well Christian was necessary to get the harry potter book and necessary to tell her about the Jacqueline/Miranda thing so Andy could try to warn Miranda
@Aekwon Malcolm I care. So that's somebody.
Omg thank God I wasn't the only one who was irritated by her toxic friends and insecure boyfriend .
the boyfriend had to be that guy, to make the characters realistic. But Lily was Too Real! No one needs to see her in such a pretty movie.
@@eduardochavacano Okay, you think she's ugly. We get it. haha. Poor Macy
Nope, everyone was. Literally
Her boyfriend was a "nice guy" and her friends were fake af
“Insecure, controlling” these are words women use to blame shift ... she did hook up with the other dude ... then got back with Andy without revealing what really happened. Oh yes, I know your type.
Nate is the type of boyfriends whose egos are so fragile they're unmanned by their girlfriends' success. He is toxic and so are Andy's friends. They readily accept her gifts but refuse to support her, or even attempt to understand her perspective, instead they gaslight her into thinking she's at fault. They're adults yet they throw a fit when Andy misses a birthday party. They're the real villains of the movie.
Its such an abusive relationship! And i feel like once she stepped away from miranda she should have been done with abuse all together, not just miranda/fashion abuse. But no, she goes back. It just shows that its hard to let go of familiar even if its bad for you - like that nasty grilled cheese 🤢
the whole point was that she was neglecting her relationships for a job she didn't even like and that was becoming her sole relationship
@@jukodebu but they knew it was only for a year and the friends were happy to get free stuff and be snobby about their own things. It shouldnt have been such a big deal.
My friend went to school in england for a year but I never gave her crap about it. At least andy was still spending some time with her boyfriend and friends.
@@jukodebu She wasn't neglecting them. She literally just doesn't have a choice but still tries to have time for them. If your goal is to get your dream job someday which happens to be in a competitive field, you're bound to be quite as busy as Andy was especially if you have to work real hard. The boyfriend should be either supportive or just break up if he can't handle it rather than sulking and making Andy feel guilty everytime she comes home. Her friends too.
@@cherrycherry4609 well they thought she was and they told her. Her and the bf did break up.
He was underestimating her ambitions, and overestimating his own selfish needs. And he's downright offensive when he accuses Andy of selling her dignity for dresses. He's a dirt bag.
He really said that ewww
wasnt she also looked down on those type of woman before while ranting to her bf? welp maybe in his eyes she become one of those girls she always ranted abt
@@sheilashineleofany822 Yeah cause she now sees their PoV but the boyfriend is still in the misogynist mindset
And when she finally got rid of that dirt bag I felt like the trash itself went into the garbage can. But don't know what went wrong with the director of this movie that she went back to that toxic man.
Even worse, he insulted her before she dressed fashionably and then when she starts dressing pretty he says he liked her before? What even is that, man is never happy and just wants to put her down
I hated the bar scene. Nate just takes her phone, see who's calling and after he sees her reaction, he starts passing it around!
And he's always victimizing himself!
The only thing I don't agree with the video is that Andy leaves bc she doesn't want to end up screwing people, like Miranda did with Nigel. I think that was the breaking point for her
And regarding Miranda, she built an empire, and it's hard to keep it at the top, if she behaves like this it's because it's the way she found. We clearly can see how she is with Nigel, she doesn't mistreat him, because she knows how well he works (and we can also see this with Andy when she gets better at her job). And by this I'm not saying that's not a completely stressful environment
That scene is so toxic that I just fast forward through it. I want to clock EVERYONE but Andy.
Probably because he's sick of his girlfriend choosing her job over him every time. As he says, Andy is in a relationship with Miranda now.
@@AxelQC But Andy lasted a total of 6 months in that position. This was at the beginning, so here it was what? Like a month? And if you see your partner putting that much effort to stay at a job, you could at least not interfere
From his perspective, he doesn't know what's so scary about Miranda (which can be only understood once you meet her).
He thinks Miranda will understand if he gave her a piece of his mind.
Due to all the overwork,he thinks Andy is loosing her personality and turning into a slave. She didn't ever told him that she likes that job.
And he thinks for a contract job with such low pay what essential would she be contributing to Runway let alone he finds fashion industry "silly"
So there is no point in hating on him, he is a practical person, and Andy was supposed to write on real life problems once she becomes a journalist not someone's assistant who has to buy scarfs and arrange books for twins. Its really very complicated to understand Andy's life unless you see it.
@@ForteExpresso well yes, but this was just at the beginning, she maybe staid late at work at most, he didn't say anything about her job when she had the makeover (I mean, he says something later when she can't make it to his bday party) And I do understand what you're saying, it's a valid point, but he called Miranda the Dragon Lady, so he knew she was hard to deal with, and when Andy started saying "no, give it to me, guys please" or something like that, they kept laughing and passing her phone. And regardless of Andy liking her job or not, it still was work and I personally think they (friends included) should've respected that. She was really working hard bc as she stated, this job could open a lots of doors for her. Of course it's up to everyone's perspective, but I think he could have been more supportive
unpopular opinion: nate is more irritating than miranda
Definitely!
Miranda is not even irritating.
Absolutely.
Miranda was never irritating, just very VERY demanding.
That's actually a very popular opinion.
I hated the ending, so he can get a better job and move out to change his life but when Andy does that they blame her.
Exactly.. like why does he get to have a new, better position where he’s literally leaving New York but she can’t enjoy her career a little bit?
@@EarthSignEmpress exactly and above all he was so unprofessional unskilled that he couldn't even make a sandwich! Still he got promoted? How dumb.
Well to be fair, they weren’t together by that point so it didn’t really matter. He said they could “figure something out” but nothing was really set in stone.
I'd understand Nate if that was her job for life, but it was supposed to be just a year. He could be concerned about her mental (and physical) health, but he's just an egoist crybaby.
Yes! Thank you! This is what bothered me the absolute most with Nate. The premiss was set from the start: This will last one year and then Andy gets to work WHEREVER SHE WANTS. So what she misses date night and a birthday. O N E Y E A R! The rest is a parade of red flags too, the staying up late just to go to bed when she comes home to make a point? POS behavior right there. One year, Nate. One year. Suck it up.
"you're not acting the way I want you to be so I'm going to throw hissy fits while you work your ass off."
I mean that's a thing that happens irl... Sometimes people don't like the way others grow and one partners growth can outpace the other.
That's okay, adults amicably split if it's a deal breaker.
Children act like it's some kind of deep moral sin for a person to ever change or to change in a way they don't expect.
Bro if you're over 20 you should understand people are their own people and they don't really owe you anything in their personal growth.
Sorry it really bothers me. Such an old fairy tale fantasy idea of relationships.
The *EXTRA* worse thing is, he'd probably be this way even when she became a journalist. They don't work 9-5, get weekends off, or get all holidays off, and the ones working in New York likely have some of the craziest, busiest schedules. This was just a preview, imo, of how he's likely going to act in the long-run. Oh, and he became a Sous Chef. They don't work reasonable hours, either. He was just a gross, unsympathetic character. Andy could have done better!! 😂
Thank for pointing this out. It was literally 1 YEAR! Like they are adults with their own careers and they could not support her for a year even if they didn’t see her as much. I could see if she went over that year and was still at that job making no progress to leave like she said she would for her original plan.
@@redhedgehogocarina Yea my girlfriend works in catering as a kitchen manager and during the summer she works 12+ hour shifts 10 days in a row. Nate is a dickhead who only wants to see his own career grow and for his girlfriend to be the low wage worker that is reliant on him.
Alternate ending I've just come up with: Andy quits working for Miranda but also ditches her friends AND dumps her boyfriend AND makes up with Emily AND gets her own column in her new job AND bumps into Miranda like 10 years later in an epilogue scene. That's the only ending I'm accepting. Thanks for coming to my TEDTalk.
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This is exactly what I was thinking. She shouldn't have been forced to choose between them. Just dump your whole life and start over.
NO NO THIS THIS THIS
@@RedMoonSolitary exactlyyyyy they’re so horrible
That's actually kind of what happened in the sequel to the original book "Revenge wears Prada." It wasn't a great book though.
Someone give Overkill Analysis an award. I really hated Nate not only because he hated how Andy changed but just wasn't supportive all around.
I haven't even watched this yet and I agree. If Andy were in med school of some kind, or just starting out a career in healthcare, with all the crazy hours they have to work, her friends would probably be more understanding. When you're an actual adult, you don't have time to spend 4 hours every day hanging out with friends. It's often about quality time, rather than quantity. I hated the part of the movie where she was finally succeeding at work, and they were whining about how they never see her anymore.
In healthcare, people barely have time to eat and sleep. Andy would have been so tired , she would probably make them shut up.
Really , people need to earn and do something in life which can be very busy ! The friends won't feed her or pay the bills , and dare to accuse her !
I doubt it. They would still be complaining
That's because fashion is seen as a female industry job so it isn't valued by them.
But she is not in a medical field. Fashion or journalism is not a respected field. Fashion journalist only make women feel.bad about their bodies and it is elitist.
@@silviaov633 Or in med school you are actually saving lives.
I used to date a chef. They work.... A LOT. Late nights, long hours, holiday and weekends. I can't imagine if my chef boyfriend criticized me for working too much, then turned around and went off to work his 12 hour shift on New Years or something.
That scene where Andy's friends are passing around her phone and threatening to answer has always bothered me, especially the way it's framed. Just look at the expressions on their faces when Andy finally managed to get her phone back, as if she's being unreasonable and obsessive. She's starting to enjoy her job and takes it seriously... only for her friends to sneer and mock her dedication. Ugh.
And it was literally seconds after she gave them expensive presents.
So glad you also brought up that Andy didn’t have a choice going to Paris. She was going to get fired if she refused. It’s not a choice when the only other option is “lose your livelihood and all future prospects before your career has even really started.” I just thought it was a weak comparison to Miranda in the end.
Like Miranda betrayed her longtime colleague Nigel after making a promise to him, despite already having an amazing entire career and tons of wealth to her name. Andy “betrayed” a coworker she barely knew, who treated her like shit, who she didn’t promise anything to, to avoid ruining her own budding career in an already extremely competitive field.
Plus Miranda forced Andy to call Emily on the spot- “do it now” -which led to Emily getting hit by a car. So of course Emily’s going to be upset, but it’s literally all Miranda’s fault.
Yes, exactly! I felt it strange to compare Andy vased on this to Miranda, too. She literally did not do anything but what her boss commanded her to do; and we also saw that Miranda was right in choosing Andy because she WAS more capable. It's not like Andy tricked Miranda into taking her over Emily or willingly pushed her aside. In general I could not see Andy changing a bit during her time at Runway. Yes, she got interested in fashion more and really determined for her job, but that did not change her character traits (friendly, witty, compassionate) at all.
Facts!
Also like how was Emily going to go in the first place seeing as she was, lemme see, HOSPITALIZED. So yea when your main employee that you were going to take on a business trip is hospitalized and going to be recovering while the trip is going on you take the next person in line for that. That is not betraying anyone and I never fucking understood the angle the movie took on that. If my coworker can't make it to work and I get called in and take that shift I am not betraying that coworker.
And it would not have done ANY good for her bedridden friend.
We all have a choice. We aren't slaves here
So I'm gonna pretend Andy broke up with Nate, had a husband and daughter, started an online company and hired Robert De Niro as her intern. Now I'm at peace.
Stop assuming that all women wants kids. It’s sexist af
@@abrose7887 totally agree..but Elena is referring to the film the intern in which Anne’s character has a daughter
Yes but her husband eventually cheated on her. In any scenario an ambitious working woman always gets judged and screwed
The flaw of the Devil Wears Prada is the demonization of female ambition and empowerment. Both Miranda and Andy are cautionary tales of this trope, and it’s really annoying and frustrating.
Nah, Miranda was a narcissistic boss and I'm shocked people don't realise and would rather call Nate a villain for clearly seeing the toxic impact the job had on Andy.
@@bellam7546 Except he wasn’t worried about that, he was mad he had less control and say over her
I couldn’t agree more. I was so, so, SO bothered that the movie kept pushing this like “unique quirky girl” narrative. It was the classic “oh she doesn’t care too much about how she looks and therefore she isn’t shallow and stupid like all the other girls”. They made the runway girls seem like brainless idiots, when really girls can care a lot about how they look and still be smart. It was even somewhat shown in the movie that the models knew fashion history and background. So I have no clue why it ended with that whole “she’s not like the other runway girls” thing.
Except Miranda is supposed to be a staple of what it looks like when you don’t have a work-life balance and sell your soul to your job. It’s clear from the fact that she neglects her children and how her marriage falls apart in the movie that this is what she represents. Plus it’s hard to feel empathy for her considering how abusive she is to her employees.
They don't, Andy wanted a career as a Journalist, and she got it. What's more empowering to say screw this job I want to go back to my real dream and fulfill it?
nate was acting as if andy enjoyed the stress and having to chose between his birthday and the event, he didn’t bother to try and understand what must have been like for her to be at the event and feel terrible about herself
I’m so glad someone else brought up nates choice of work. Like the food industry doesn’t expect the world of u too. And I don’t like how he sticks up for Emily about the Paris think. Seriously? He’s sticking up for the person who did her best to make Andy’s time at work miserable? The person who would have gladly THROWN Andy under that bus in order to take that trip? And yeah, her friends are the worst. I really hated her friend who flipped out on her for being kissed on the cheek. Ok, u have known me for 13 years but ur first reaction is that I’m having some sordid affair with this “fashion guy”? Don’t get me wrong it looks sus as heck, but I would have at least approached the subject with an open mind and no judgment at first. She ur friend for over a decade and u can’t even give her the benefit of the doubt for a minute? The worst people! Couldn’t even give her a year to try to make her dreams come true because they liked her when she didn’t look better than them. I suppose when nates high powered job takes off and he has no more time for Andy she’ll be expected to suck it up and deal with it instead of being selfish and demanding he quit.
This is so true. The last impression I had by the end of the movie was how Nate finally felt worthy again and superior, because now he had this demanding dream job whilst Andy went back to job interviews, less glamorous than before, when she had Runaway. That smug look on his face said sure, come back to me, I might just fix you some space in my schedule and burn you some of that delicious 8 dollars cheese. And she just smiles as if she's lucky to be with him again. 🤢
I hated that scene too. When he gets his dream job, they "will just figure it out" but when she was doing her career he was like a braggy child. Such a narcissist.
I actually want a secuel with that premise, and when they split up for good.
Yeah you think she'd presume 1) that's he's gay as is the stereotype 2) know that European style kissing of acquaintances is common in Fashion (especially since she's in the NYC Art field)
Nate is never portrayed as working long hours in the film, though. He is consistently seen present with Andy and her friends which implies that he doesn't work late into the night. He could work at a small brunch place, for example, that is only open until 3pm. Basing an entire thesis on his job title is just plain silly. It isn't really "proof" of anything.
Growing up is realizing Miranda actually did the most for Andy by teaching her the ins and outs of the fashion world and giving her a glowing reference and her friends and bf are the actual villains
I always thought the whole “missing the boyfriend’s birthday thing” was crazy. Like it’s a birthday, you aren’t a 5 year old kid anymore. It’s not like you can’t celebrate it some other time.
Seriously have a piece of cake at home or something you can make up for it later by going out to a fancy date.
My husband and I always exchange the same complaints and commentary during those scenes -- when Nate asks, "What, am I, four?" we always exclaim, "YES!" 😂
What makes me laugh is that mediocir men forget their wife's or girlfriend's birthday all the time in everyday life and people say to the woman, "give him a break, he works hard".
If a woman does it, she is neglectful!
infuriating, but also realistic. When you start succeeding, there will always be people that pull you down, because their egos are fragile.
I like to image she dumped nate 6 months after the last scene.
Andy was digging her own grave, that's why she left Miranda.
Make that 2.
I hate that she comback with Nate
She didn't go back to be with him. She just wanted that they end well and continue to be friends. They were going separate ways with their new jobs.
@@ming840 She still apologized for something she never did like hurting him. And he even gets a new and better job after she left Runway
@@AnimatingDreams But, she didn't want to be there. She got her dream job
Before watching the analysis : Finally. I told my mom this. Nate couldnt support Andy without his own selfishness in the way. A high powered career mixed with fashion she definitely deserved better. She honestly settled with Nathan. It's like nothing she did to better herself was good enough and her reverting back to her old self was better for him. Gross.
Her change in style and clothing was good enough though.
In real life, this would mean an ugly breakup in the future.
Whats worse is he literally puts her down for having no fashion sense at the start and when she starts dressing pretty he hates it. Not exactly coincidence there
@@katierasburn9571 it's a red flag for abuse.
Her friends are already successful people in fields they like, but they dump on her when she starts to exceed them.
FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT - the fact that he’s mad at her for missing his stupid birthday dinner bc she was AT THE MET GALA!!! OMG at least Harry Crane was happy for her
There's hatred and then there's the insane rage I feel when Nate says "you look really pretty" in that backhanded mopey infuriating way. That would've been enough cause for a breakup in my eyes
I know! It's makes you wish she said "Yeah, I do. And I wasted it on coming home to a big man-baby instead of talking to the person who could have made these last few months of work worth it!" Then blow out the candle on the cupcake, throw it on the floor, turn around and go back to the MET and meet the editor of the publication she really wanted to work for.
@@melissashiels7838 YES
I would love to see that scenario in the movie, that would be ULTIMATE happy end. Andy realizing that she doesn't need nor her whiny envious boyfriend nor her fake friends, and goes to make good connections in the industry and getting job of her dream and new boyfriend she deserves
@@sabotaje4174 exactly!
I really hated that scene where she was wearing that dress, and he was looking her up and down and whining ' I miss the old Andy'. Like over the way she was freaking dressed??
First of all the dress wasn't even that fancy, it was cute ,and he only seemed to care when she showed her bra, which... I know he's the boyfriend, but still. And she looked really cute!
I know it's supposed to be a message about ' just accept yourself', but it just felt saying 'I don't like you in that dress, I don't approve of it. ' It just felt manipulative.
I mean, yes Andy did have a choice, it wasn’t a “either go to Paris or I’ll pull the trigger” scenario. But at the end of the day, you have to do what is right for you and your career. You have to take opportunities that will help you succeed in life. And doing so doesn’t make you a bad person. That being said, I found Nate and the others extremely irritating and I really don’t like how they painted Andy as this manipulative psychopathic diva either. I felt they could of given her more supportive friends.
At her age too..she's what 23,24? She's a junior starting out at an organisation so she needs to prove her worth. Even if she worked for WaPo or BBC, they'd ask her to probably work overtime and go to different places.
The job literally made her a “bad” person though 💀 thats the whole point of the movie
I think if nick would sacrified his time for job (like Andy, so we have mirror situation), there wouldn't be argument that "he needs to do what is right for his career". It is all about Andy and her change, that workplace change her 180 degrees. Career is important, but the plot of the movie show as that there are some boundaries. Andy crossed that boundary, learned a lesson.
It's really mad world if you put your career ahead of love and friends. In some way this movie is about fight between toxic perfectionism (Miranda) and meaningful life (Andy).
@@Air.keccc1 But the point of this video (and I agree with it) is that her job didn't make her a bad person only a bussy one.
@@lajvedsies I totally agree. I didn't get the impression that Andy was crawling back to Nate at all....in fact, she did her best to amend things even after she left Runway. That is seen with Emily when she calls with "all these clothes from Paris." Then she let's Nate know he was right about his observation of her obsession. My take was she just wanted to make peace and move on before the job interview. She gets the job she wants, Miranda's good reference (to her surprise) and emerges from everything, a more learned and self-assured person. I loved the acknowledgement from Andy when she and Miranda lock eyes. And we're left with the secret pleasure Miranda reveals about this with her smile. Personally, I hope she doesn't return to Nate. He was not right for her clearly. In fact, I'd love to know if he actually learned HIS lesson in all of this. We're not told that, are we? Regardless, I would call this a success story on Andy's part.
At least Andy and Miranda parted ways as having mutual respect for each other. Andy grew to respect Miranda and the various facets of her job and life, Miranda grew to respect Andy and her efforts as an intelligent and hard working assistant. Nate had no such growth, and Andy went crawling back. It gets me so mad
I think the Andy taking the Paris trip was directed like it was Andy's fault because she felt like it was. Andy has been punished for every good thing that's happened to her so far at this point and she's prepared for Paris to be just as punishing.
She betrayed her co-worker, and Miranda even gloats that she tempted Andy to make that choice.
@@AxelQC well Emily was unable to go she didn’t steal the trip it was go or more than likely be fired
Go on a trip to Paris 🤷🏻♀️ or lose my high paying journalism job
@@AxelQC her co-worker was in a hospital with a broken leg. unless you planned to drag her along to paris in a wheelchair, i think youre just being straight up disingenuous here
@@HealthyObbsession the number of people who actually accuse andy of "stealing emily's dream" is downright ridiculous.
@@AxelQC but she was just her co worker. It's not like they were close friends or anything, they were there to do a job and one of them couldn't do it so the other filled in.
lmao one of the moments I really fell for my current partner was when I was watching this movie and he was sitting next to me finishing some work. When the birthday scene came up and Nate threw a fit, I hear this loud, "Such an a**hole!" I didn't realize my partner was even paying attention to it! Now whenever i bring it up, he gets mad because Andy got back with Nate at the end :'D
the Paris trip threatened not only Andy’s current job, but her entire New York journalist dream when Miranda says that if Andy doesn’t take it, then she won’t consider her serious about her future in this or Any Other Publication.
We never actually see Andy go back to her other friends at the end, and Nate is about to move to Boston, so they leave the door open for them to work out or not.
Andy is lucky af applying to an industry she wasn't aware of and still get hired
Self-care is watching The Devil Wears Prada and skipping the part where Andy and Nate get back together: in this edit, Andy has a new respect for what women have to go through to reach the top in a male dominated industry, and chooses her own happiness, single, clear headed, and wiser for the experience - without Nate. 😊😌
Exactly!
I like this ending much better 😆
I certainly felt a bit uneasy that the film did not make her friends and boyfriend villains when Andy started to adapt because that is exactly what you are supposed to do in every job.
what miranda does in the movie, calling her outside work hours, is not that uncommon, and we have to comply to keep our jobs. anyone who works would understand that much. she needed the job, it was a good job, and they were pricks instead of understanding that, yeah, it was a hard job. most jobs are hard
Wow that's considered normal? Dont you guys have boundaries?
@@theRainbowbr it's part of a new movement in work environments, sadly. my work psychology professor said in work relationships are promoted so that people mix work with their personal lives, making the boundaries blurrier
@@IsisAlv oh wow :/ that doesnt sound healthy
I had a boss that would Skype message the team member at 11pm at night on a regular ... I don’t work there anymore- I resigned 😑
@@Yaffa25 yeah i had a boss that said i wasn't being a "team player" because they updated the website on the weekend without testing (absolutely his decision) and monday he said it was urgent and complained that i (the intern) didn't stay outside of my hours to help fix it. i quit the next day. he was also very bothered that i didn't have lunch with them every time
I like to think the ending hinted verrrry subtly that Nate might be closer to on the outs than we thought. How? With the clothes Andy was wearing. No, she wasn't wearing designer clothes anymore, but she wasn't wearing her old clothes either. Because THAT'S the real impression the job left on her: finally understanding the importance in putting some effort into your appearance, even if it's only for yourself.
Great observation. I can't understand why people think she reverted back to her old self. She grew into her own sense of fashion and self.
Exactly. In the end I noticed her new style is a mix between her old self and her “fashionista” self. Her hair is neat and straightened - unlike the frizzy mess it was in the beginning, and even though the clothes are muted and less extravagant, they still look good and fit her good, where in the beginning, her clothes fit her awkwardly and it looked like she was trying to hide in them. Plus she’s also wearing some cute heeled boots at the end. In the beginning, she scoffed when Nigel offered her heels to wear. I can’t believe some people believe she “reverted”. She found a balance that was a nice call back to her original self, but had the added effect of making her look more put together and mature.
Maybe no one ever hires/wants him cooking in their restaurant because he's not a good chef and he only thinks he is and everyone in the friend group is really just being supportive SO HE WOULDN'T ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE IN-DEMAND!!! Wow. This movie is so subtle.
My career is very demanding and I've had some tough bosses. I've had to learn to sacrifice with a happy heart because you don't get credit in my field if you sacrifice and struggle. I've worked holidays, weekends, nights. I've had jealous partners who sabotaged me and tried to make me feel bad about my career. They didn't last. In a career worth having, sometimes, you have to step it up and do the job the way the boss wants it done and be a support to your boss, a partner of sorts. This is what Andy learned. She learned the art of being a good support to her boss and she learned she was really capable and competent. Andy's friends and boyfriend saw that Andy was moving up faster than they were and it threatened them. When you look at how Nate dressed, his motivation, his life, it didn't change across the movie, and yet, Andy's did. The gap between the two widened across the film. If they had stayed together past the end of the movie, it would not have lasted because Andy's view of herself, her capability, and her power and ability to make her life happen had changed and Nate was left spinning his wheels while Andy was growing. Her friends and boyfriend are a reflection of who she was, not who she was becoming.
Are you happy in your career though? Do you have a family to go back to after all is said and done?
Thank god I'm not the only one who is always bothered by how burnt that grilled cheese is😂
You can hear the crunch ugh
The Real reason Andy wasn’t hungry anymore: that sandwich BURNT
I like them burnt....🤷🏻♀️
@@lily904 you do want some crunch though 😂 but yeah, it's so burned, and that's always bothered me too. What chef can't make a one ingredient sandwich??
@@writerspen010 😂😂😂😂
Nahh since the whole gifts with the phone thing I actually hated her friends
I really wish there was a scene in the movie where Andy just flat out asked Nate what he wanted her to do.
Quit? Waste all the effort and time she put in? Because basically her only options are to quit or to suck it up and put in the time so that she can move on to something (hopefully) better.
She’s only doing her job. Like they both know the situation sucks. She obviously would spend more time with him and her friends if she could. But Nate acts like it’s a personal attack on him, like she’s choosing her work over him and their friends.
She made it clear from the beginning that this job is a stepping stone for her future career. Most adults understand that sometimes you have to work terrible jobs to get the experience you need to move forward in your career. If Nate had gotten a wonderful promotion and needed to work longer and crazier hours, Andy would’ve been bummed, yes, but she would’ve been happy for him and understood. She just happened to be the one who had a chance to progress first.
At the end of the day, they both would have to make sacrifices to be successful in their jobs. Nate shouldn’t be surprised by this. He shouldn’t guilt trip her. If there’s a problem, they should talk about it, but he knew going in that she wanted to have a career.
Anyway, Andy was going through hell, and it’s amazing she wasn’t having full blown panic attacks by the end of the movie. Especially with the horrible support system she had. She really deserved to have some friends who rooted for her and boosted her up when she felt like her job was drowning her. Or at the very least, some that didn’t always try to undermine and mock her.
Anyway, great analysis! It’s nice to see so many people understand that her relationship with her boyfriend and friends really was not very healthy or rewarding for her. Everyone deserves to have friends who respect and care for them, and I hope everyone here can find those people. 😊♥️
I agree that Andy's boyfriend and friends were judgmental and unsupportive. But Andy didn't quit for Nate or anybody else. She quit because she realized Miranda expected her to have the same principles and ethics which Andy doesn't agree with. Andy didn't make up with Nate as a girlfriend, but as a friend. Proof: she was going to pursue a new job in a different location from his. That she liked what he said about them being able to work something out despite the distance was for me more out of keeping the friendship more than resuming their romantic relationship. Andy walking alone and smiling at the end after that successful job interview shows that she's happy on her own and she knows what she wants.
Yes
I love this idea. That they parted ways as friends. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
True, it was pretty obvious they did not get back together.. I dont understand how people think that
@@theRainbowbr It's clearly not very obvious since the majority seem to believe they got back together in the end.
I don't think anyone has a problem with her quitting. Just groveling to Nate to take her back and apologising for doing what any intern would do, while demanding nothing from him.
She deserved better EVERYONE! Even her father wasn't supportive of her. And the irony is that her bf wanted her to quit her job cuz he hated it and later he left for his job...
also YES i love love love this rant. i still scoff in disbelief at her friends LITERALLY GOING "ooh ahh!!!!!" in excitement over the SEVERAL THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS worth of gifts she gives them then MINUTES LATER try to get her fired. gets my blood boiling every time
Nate is toxic masculinity itself
oh please... now the guy just all cleared. Lily was extremely toxic and was the source of all the conflict on this perfect movie.
Let me tell you something. I’m Libertarian and I come from a family of strong men and women.
There is nothing masculine about Andy’s character.
In fact, I view his character as extremely effeminate and representative of a weak generation of men who grew up receiving participation trophies... a typical champagne socialist who would take women’s study classes and virtue signal all day.
There is no such thing as “toxic masculinity”, just as there is no such thing as “toxic femininity”. There are only “toxic people”... People who rely on manipulation to serve their own selfish agendas.
"who says this during an interview????" FOR REAL. i just finished job hunting and i was watching this like GIRL i know we're supposed to feel sorry for her but that was legit a TERRIBLE interview lmao
I remember that every time me and my brother watch that movie, we really hated Nate and Andy’s friend, we always thought they were the most toxic and jealous group of friends and boyfriend a person could have, like seriously, She should’ve ditch them and find a better group of people.
This is a relevant example of a common life experience in your 20’s. Outgrowing relationships among a group of friends who are still figuring themselves out -and not adapting to changes.
some friends want their friends to not grow or change because they feel left behind. I remember feeling very upset when some of my friends got engaged. And likewise, some of my friends were upset when I was the first to buy a house.
Someone should write a fanfic where Andy dumps Nate and those stupid friends and takes back all the gifts she gave them.
I would love to read a fanfic where Andy stayed with Miranda, rose through the ranks, and eventually became Miranda's successor.
I didn't know many that dislike Nate just like me 😂 This makes me happy. Nate is such a whiny boyfriend. Andrea deserves waaay better.
I always wondered why I love this movie, specifically Andy's character. Then I realized it's because I relate so much to Andy. I used to be in a friend group like hers and now that the years have passed I can look back and see how toxic they were. Her friends and Nate treated her that way because growing up she was probably the awkward one who did alright in school but didn't have much life experience. They push her around because they see her as a child and feel they're better than her in some way to shore up their own insecurities. Deep down Andy knows she is more than capable of success but just has to tap into it and stop keeping herself small to fit in with bad-minded people. When her friends saw her standing up for herself and become her own person, they felt threatened. Without the silly and weak Andy around to make fun of and look down on, how were they gonna feel better about their own miserable lives?
The way Andy's "friends" disrespect her gives me the vibe they're Nate's friends first, and she only became friends with them through Nate, so they'll always take his side.
Yes, it feels like that
If they've been friends for thirteen years then they met in school. Andy is about 23 in this movie
Her girlfriend pissed me off the most, not only did she never even say thank u for the ninteen hundred dollar bag but then disses her when her boss called. Then getting all high and mighty cause some guy kisses Andy on the cheek....THE CHEEK. She was a douchebag.
And Nate, not only was he incapable of supporting her but shit on everything she did. He needed to go.
Typical. A man would never have to apologise for his success.
I wish the movie gave Andy her own “cerulean sweater” dress down but it was her dressing down her boyfriend and friends
Finally, somebody has said it out loud - THANK YOU!
In my opinion, the last scene between Andy and Nate is an annoying letdown in an otherwise completely convincing coming-of-age-story. As a viewer, one wants to tell Andy to wake up fully, widen her gaze just this little bit more and realize that she is holding on to relationships that were always just as flawed as the one she had with her boss. Obviously, the people in that circle of "friends" usually thought of Andy as a kind of loser, somebody wih big dreams and aspirations but no real chance of making them come alive. She has outgrown them and that is why we as spectators feel that this last scene is so demeaning and useless. She is crawling back into a skin that has become too small in order to fit in and feel at home; I think we can all identify with this behaviour and that makes us cringe even more. After all, it is very much easier to distance yourself from an outsider such as your boss than from the people you believe to be your "family". But I also think it is comforting to imagine that Andy WILL open her eyes eventually and it is up to us as lovers of this film and its characters to write the following scenes ourselves, so to speak. Go for it, Andy!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, they are spot on. Very big THUMBS UP! :o)
Really? I didn't think she was getting back with Nate and I believe she did ditch her ungrateful friends. I saw the end as a resolution of the relationships, but with an effort to be amicable.
@@LA_HA Interesting. I didn't feel like to me, but apparently you actually did imagine another ending. ;o)
@@lightlaughter4992 No problem. I'll look at the end again. I definitely could be missing the clues you and others are seeing
I definitely hated that she was apologizing for reasons that didn't actually exist (she was simply investing in her job, not abandoning anyone) and THEN when she says, "And for what?" He actually answers her! What a snide, ungrateful creep!
I like the idea of creating our own following scenes. ...Though really I just prefer to mute that last one and pretend she's saying they should have both communicated better and she's [only] sorry for her part in it 😁
He diminishes her job the whole movie but at the end he's like: I got a job at another state so change your plans and follow me on *my* journey hihi
Very nice video! Love the SpongeBob ref and the overall great analysis!
Thank you!
My husband was all for going to work early, coming home late until I got my first job as an attorney. That was now a problem and couldn’t be tolerated…by him. And sabotage? Heck, yeah.
Yes!! This! He was such a brat. And when he got an opportunity in Boston, did she sulk or act like he was doing some horrible thing to her? They positioned Andy’s immersion into the culture at Runway this way to make women feel bad about being career driven. She needed to take ONE year of her life to start building her career in a cutthroat industry and a city where it’s notoriously difficult to survive. Who cares if she began to see the full spectrum of what runway had to offer instead of committing to being a miserable misfit for the next year of her life. Nate and her friends acted like children because they didn’t want her to grow, and they were biased against fashion.
The happily ever after would have been her in a new job with her new best friend, Nigel, and dumping Nate simultaneously.
Whilst I completely agree, I think the key thing to remember, is that, in the book; Andy *did* stay miserable and relatively unchanged at Runway, and it's been pointed out that the biggest difference between the novel and the movie, is that the main character in the motion picture has character development, whilst the same in the novel, stays pretty much one dimensional.
One dimensional as in she doesn't get brainwashed into believing that the shade of blue in a sweater is a life-defining and that her sadistic boss is a wronged heroine? Frankly the book was realistic, while the film went out of its way to excuse an abusive boss and validate the mindset that treating people badly is justified. Also, in the book her boyfriend and friends don't treat her badly, and Nate calmly breaks up with her because he doesn't like the ways she changed and feels they have outgrown each other.
@@mariak143 the film never validates Miranda's behaviour. You see the fallout she has from acting the way she does; sure she has a powerful job, but nobody likes her, her family life is in shambles, and Andy realises that it's a miserable existence to be constantly fucking over everyone around you
@@jadencore I don't agree. Sure, it shows that success requires sacrifices, but it presents her behaviour as necessary for success, when most of it was just plain entitlement and had nothing to do with her job. Ironically, Andy leaves over something that, while awful, was understandable (screwing over Nigel was a betrayal, but it was her own career on the line) while giving her a pass over stupid whims, like demanding to fly during a hurricane and getting her kids an unpublished book.
Nah, she was a narcissistic boss, point blank period.
@@mariak143 If you define success as being absolutely miserable, sure
It always rung odd to me that he chooses at the end to move for his dream. That kind of move is ambitious, requires sacrifice, and shows prioritizing his future. How does he not understand her biting the bullet to move her career forward? She is literally doing the same thing...
Seriously if she had moved for her job? He’d throw a fit
This movie should be renamed the devil is a terrible boyfriend who can't make a decent grilled cheese
I hated the scene they are passing her phone... even when I was a kid I felt frustrated and rolling my eyeballs
That phone throwing scene makes my blood boil so much
I never watch the scene when she apologises to Nate. In my world she kicks him and the friends to the curb......which is what I would have done in her place.
Something I want to point out in agreement with this: some jobs just take a huge time commitment. My fiancé is about to leave for military service. I've known how important his career is to him for years now. Do I talk with him about making sure to make time for people, and trying to establish a healthy work/personal life balance? Of course. Do I whine at him for prioritizing his career, for doing things that put him in a good place, for spending time at work? Absolutely not. We've talked about what our careers mean to us, what sacrifices we're going to have to make (especially in the first few years when you're getting established), and what that's going to mean to us. Like I'm sorry, if he missed my birthday because something hugely important came up at work last minute? I'd be sad, sure, but I have friends, and there are other days in the week. We'll reschedule. Hell, I'm going to have more birthdays, too. It's temporary, I can deal. I mean, my fiancé is going to miss my birthday this year- he's going to be gone, we know this already. When you're an adult and you're trying to build a better life for yourself and your family, these things happen. Have a conversation about whether this is a temporary thing or whether it's going to become the norm, decide if you can handle it if it IS the norm, and move on.
Not to mention, HOW MANY MOVIES have we gotten where the dutiful wife/girlfriend waits at home while a man gets this big character arc at work, in the military, whatever? And they might be frustrated when he misses things like birthdays, but he NEVER leaves his career over it- by the end of those films, the man simply learns to balance a bit better, if the "lonely wife at home" trope is even addressed in the resolution. But we get one career woman and all of a sudden her "lonely, neglected" (busy chef) boyfriend is the victim? Yeah I love this movie, but I hate her boyfriend and friends. She should have ditched them at the end.
That job was simply toxic to Andy's health. No job should have you digging your own grave. I hate how such toxic work culture is glamorised.
I think it was a sacrifice the writers had to make to raise the stakes. I wondered why her friends were so clingy. At least Emily was upfront about being judgy.
Despite her being so sour, I feel Emily was a better friend to Andy than her friends were
This reminds me of my friend whose impressive performance got her invited to a company dinner at an extremely expensive restaurant. It wasn’t a plus-one event and her husband was so pissed off about not getting to go that he had her order a FILET MIGNON as her course meal, discreetly wrap it up in a napkin, put it in her PURSE, and excuse herself to the restroom so that she could go out to the parking lot where he was waiting in his car to hand over to him. She didn’t see ANYTHING wrong with this because she was so focused on being a “good wife.” If my husband demanded this and I discovered that he wasn’t joking, I’d google divorce attorneys on the spot.
I swear to God, if my friends did that phone thing to me, I would never speak to them again.
Nate is the worstttttttttt!!!!
These reasons were literally why I couldn’t watch this movie a 2nd time. I love the fashion aspect, but the friends and her boyfriend were so uncomfortably cruel.
A person who stops you from climbing the ladder of success is definitely a red flag
The movie makes it seem that being ambitious is a bad thing. I understand that Andy was not interested in fashion, but like most People who have jobs. You learn & adapt. Plus she was starting to enjoy her job & was thriving. I was more surprised how her friends acted. The whole scene where they take her phone, was a dick move. That her boss. I am sure they have bosses too. They made her feel guilty & at the end she made her relationship priority.
I didn't think it framed ambition as a bad thing, it showed the reality of what being the most ambitious person in the room looks like. You make a shit ton of sacrifices and if you are like Miranda, you take them on the chin and keep going even if you lose some of your humanity. Let's not forget that she throws Nigel's opportunity under the bus to save herself and any personal relationships because she views her job as more important. Then you have people like Andy, who sees what the sacrifices do and decides that it's too much for her. Both of them are still satisfied at the end because they both have chosen their own ways.
When I was in college and had a serious bf, I had the opportunity to travel to Alabama and volunteer for Habitat for Humanity over Spring Break. He was furious when I told him I was going. I did go but then a few months later my brother invited me to go to Europe with him. Stupid me turned it down because I was afraid of losing the bf if I had gone to Europe.
So the bf and I broke up shortly after that
Once that happened I vowed to myself I would never again allow a guy to control me like that
Nate is the kind of guy who thinks he's feminist because he "likes girls who aren't like the other girls." But that's just a personal preference at best and its own form of sexism at worst. I headcanon that they parted ways amicably about six months after the movie ends, because while Andy's new job was certainly less demanding I doubt he was any more supportive.
Whoa ... You went to the detail of roasting Nate's grill cheese sandwich 😂😂😂
I honestly thought I was the only one that felt this way about this movie....thank you, thank you for posting this video! You are 100% right!!!!
I remember reading the book and being surprised that her boyfriend in the novel, Alex, is a nice school teacher that they just grow apart and break up
I first saw this movie as a kid and just saw the movie in the shallow "Boss is mean and tried to change this good girl into a bad person but she eventually chooses to stand up for herself" view. When I rewatched the movie as an adult in a very VERY cut-throat and demanding career with a toxic environment, I found myself empathizing and learning from the Andy we see in the middle of the film. Trying to convince yourself that you're better than the people at your job and that it's not cool to integrate yourself and your mindset into the job will not do you any good. You'll hate your job and always be negative and angry which isn't at all healthy and you won't succeed at said job. Don't fight against the tide, learn to swim, then use the waves to propel you where you wanna go.
The movie should have ended with Andy and Miranda exchanging looks. No reuniting with Nate and hopefully a scene of Andy blocking contact with her "friends" who are just as immature and insensitive. Those friends were only good for Andy when she was just as cynical as the rest of them but now that Andy has matured, she's outgrown them and deserves better
I really don't see it that way. No job is worth digging your own grave, especially if you'll be stuck in the same position and not progress. Andy made the best decision for her mental health when she left that toxic work environment and narcissistic boss. Yes there are lessons to be learnt, the first one being PUTTING YOUR HEALTH FIRST. let's stop glamorizing BS.
I agree that mental health should be valued. I do wanna say that sadly, most people do not have the luxury to just leave their job despite the toxicity, even if ideally, jobs shouldn't be so toxic in the first place. Andy stayed in her job because she needed something from it (recommendation) but honestly, she still could have gone to be a lawyer and had her family pay for it. So for most people, the only way to survive is to work around the stress and toxicity since they cannot leave as easily. I would LOVE to work in a non-toxic career, believe me but sadly, it is not in the cards right now.
And the part at the end where she APOLOGIZED for actually making the best of an industry that she didn’t see value in before but would lead to her fulfilling her dreams, she asked what it was all for and he said “shoes, shirts…” What?? That is the absolute least of any possible point that could be made about what it was all for. It angered me so much.
As a chef myself Nate's attitude baffled me
This movie could’ve been a feminism icon. She grows to love fashion, finds her passion, and travels the world but aims to be a kinder, more compassionate person than Miranda by nourishing friendships. Instead, she throws it all away for a dead best boyfriend who doesn’t support her dreams and feels threatened because he doesn’t understand.
What kind of an ending IS that? It’s okay to give up your dreams because some boyfriend your dating makes fun of you for it? That’s it’s okay to let OTHER people decide what you should accomplish in life because of their insecurities?
If he was loving and kind and supportive and genuine and tried to be there for her, that would be one thing. Not some sullen, argumentative, passive-aggressive loser.
That would have been so cool
Yessss, this!!! He acted like a spoilt man-child and I couldn’t believe she went back to him in the end! And that New Yorker sacrifice! 😭😭😭
Nigel's, "that happens when you start doing good at work" was the realest sentence I've heard.
Every time I watch this movie I just get really really mad at how unsupportive her friends and family are, and I feel like most of the reason she walked away from such a good job and a great career is that her friends and boyfriend manipulated her into it. It makes me so mad
I just rewatched this movie after years and seriously I was so shocked that she was the one who said sorry in the end, and how her boyfriend (and friends) didn't say sorry back to her as well after how they treated her. The only "somewhat" redeeming character was the friend who was invested to talk to her about her new interest in her job
Yessss!!!! Thank you for this. He was the undercover ball n chain that kept her from bettering herself. Lily was the second worst. She was a hypocrite.
But wait. Andy didn’t go back to Nate. They stayed friends. He went to Boston or something and she stayed in NY. through Miranda’s recommendation, Andy got a job at a small news paper. Exactly what she always wanted.
When We see Miranda smile at the end, it was over how Andy had BETTERED herself but on Andy’s terms. Just like Miranda.
She was proud of being part of that change.
She got into the Boston Globe though...maybe he stayed in NY.
@@NairAthul it doesn’t really matter. He lost a good thing, and ironically, he was trying to get a better job while blocking her from the same! 🤦🏽
Alus Nova: Bingo
the description i love it
‘ive waited 14 years to talk about how much nate sucks’ so true
I watched this movie and thought the same thing:
Andy's friends knew FULL well her boss was a huge bitch and they still decided it would be funny at her expense when she didn't like it at all and expressed it
Thanks for voicing all this - it's always been something in the back of my mind and I couldn't quite articulate it. I think we all fell for his dark eyes.. but right on for all the friends.
It frustrates me that the movie demonized Andy for things that weren't her fault. Having to work absurdly long hours and constantly be on call for your boss *is* bad but it's not the employee's fault! Her friends and boyfriend sucked, but that doesn't mean Miranda is the "real hero of the movie" like a lot of people think.
the hero of the movie is Nigel. But in real life, most people have bad and good qualities.
A sequel where Andy dumps Nate and goes back to work with Miranda and would finally have a supportive group of friends would be great.