Was Atlanta 2024 REALLY a great race?
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- In this first in a new series of opinion videos, I discuss the 2024 Ambetter Health 400 at Atlanta and where it ranks among NASCAR's all-time greatest races.
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All I’m gonna say is before the finish, I still loved it. After the checkered, I put it my top 5 races. I still find myself rewatching it. All the memories I have made going to Atlanta over the years, this one topped it.
It was a fantastic race!!!!
Sorry race
No one hates nascar more than nascar fans.
Who said anything about Brock hating NASCAR?
@@joshuapboston1999I think he's referring to all the negative things that most fans continuously complain about it
No one hates fans as much as NASCAR😮💨
What’s the difference between hate and criticism?
F1 snobs hate it more
That entire race was a 2000s IndyCar pack race in disguise. Cars were able to get massive runs, pass, and clear for the lead, whether it was 2 wide, 3 wide, or 4 wide. Drivers were more in control over their own destinies than at Daytona. The cars were tough to drive and always at their limit. Take the finish away, and this is still a 9/10 race. Remove the lap 2 crash and the single-car spins and it becomes a 10/10.
I honestly find it moer funny that the 2005 Coke 600 still isn't uploaded in decent quality here. A very meme-tastic race should be seen to be believed.
Yes a great race it was
same with the 2022 600 having a glitchy ahh replay 💀
@stockracingunlimited Fortunately NASCAR Classics has an upload with higher quality
I mean I feel like it had something for everyone. There were a lot of wrecks yea, but I wouldn’t say it was an all out wreckfest. There were good long enough green flag runs to feel like a professional race, without getting to the point where they all go single file for 40 laps making everyone wanna fall asleep. I had just gotten off a 12 hour shift and got home just in time for the race to start. I was dead tired and any other race I woulda been knocked out 25 laps in. But this one I was hooked sitting on the edge of my seat with my heart pounding the whole time. Not sure if I could call it my favorite race I’ve ever watched (that being the 2016 phoenix fall race as I’m a bowman fan who was at the race), but this is definitely one I’m gonna show my kids
It's still Craven and Busch at Darlington for me. That was such a good race!
1:17 I agree with that, but that automatically excludes virtually every superspeedway race since they put on plates. What is the point of watching lap 64 of the 2007 Daytona 500 or the 2000 Winston 500? Just a random group of cars who can't separate from each other.
Altogether the way this race flowed. It really was great. I'd give it a solid 9.1 out of 10. But it's not anything but my opinion
I put the Atlanta race on when I got home at midnight intending to watch it while I was packing for a move, thinking I'd last about an hour before passing out. I got through packing as much as I could then sat down expecting to eventually fall asleep. Except I didn't. The race kept me up. I couldn't even fast forward through the commercials because apparently fubo doesn't let me do that even on a delayed watch. But whatever, the race was really good and I wanted to finish it. And I did around 4AM. Still had to wake up at 8AM for the movers. So yeah, pretty sure it was a great race.
As for hosting the All Star race, sure whatever I don't care. If they want to make the All Star race really weird wherever they hold it they should loosen up some of the rules. Let teams take off the tapered spacer, or take off the diffusers or splitters, then run the race at any track and it'll at least be interesting.
That remarkable finish was the unexpected cherry on top for Atlanta.
No.
Restrictor plates RUINED Atlanta which had the best 1.5 mile runs along with Charlotte.
I think of this race as a really good football game. Yes I know, you should not compare NASCAR to stick and ball sports, but hear me out. Football is constant action and then stopping and then action. This race was kind of that flavor. I think this race was already being heralded as a great race before the finish even occurred, its just not the same as some other great races in the past, and thats fine.
I also think the rewatchability of this race improves given you can actually skip cautions and commercials on rewatches. Ive been rewatching races on youtube for years and caution filled races do not seem to ever get too bogged down as much as they did in real-time
Was this a 92 Hooters 500? A 03 Carolina Dodge Dealers 400? A 2012 Finger Lakes 355 at the Glen? No. And thats a good thing because not every great race is going to be the same. In fact, as you compile the great races together, they will all be different, and creating a catalogue of how different these races are, how many different flavors you get will make the compilation all the better. Because what makes these races great is entirely in our own perspectives.
The 2024 Ambetter 400 was a great race, but in a different way than what makes other races great, too
Great finish, great race.
Great finish but at best it was a GOOD race. Keyword *Good*
At least in my opinion as I personally enjoyed it myself but I totally respect your opinion on how you felt it wasn’t a *Good* or *Great* Race with that Lap 2 wreck and the amount of wrecks/cautions throughout the rest of the event
I'm all for swapping Atlanta and North Wilkesboro for the All Star race, great call!
I thought this was The Iceberg for a second
An ATL All-Star Race is something I've never considered before, but definitely is a fun concept. Good market, solid crowd figures, popular racing, it ticks all the boxes. My own personal idea is that the All-Star should be held at a rotating slew of southeast short tracks like Hickory, Langley, Five Flags, etc. Instead of wasting a million dollars in repaving the LA Coliseum every year, NASCAR should use that surplus cash to build some temporary stands and repave these short tracks and revitalize them for years to come with just one weekend of top-level action
As a Jamie Mac I take umbrage with saying Charlotte didn't produce a good All Star race since 2009 😅
Has Charlotte ever produced a good race in general?
No, they've just been going there for 50 years because it's terrible racing and no one likes it, of course.
Atlanta would never be an All-Star race track because the teams would never allow it. They just wouldn't show up for something that will likely end with a wreck.
One of the greatest races I've ever watched was the 2015 Fontana IndyCar race, and it finished under caution.
It felt like an ARCA race to me. Not one person was using their brain. No reason for a pileup before Lap 10. Denny and Joey were driving like they didn't have spotters. Cindric made it 4 wide for no reason (it was a breathtaking 2 laps but WTF was that move?) Plus, 2 cars crash entering the pits and no yellow. The finish was the only think that saved the race.
I'd say the latter half of the race (especially during stage three) has probably produced some of the most exciting superspeedway action I've seen in general, and by far the most exciting I've seen in person. It was really cool especially during stage three I was able to get some really nice shots with my Nikon of cars going 3-4 wide and struggle with handling off of turns 3 and 4... like you could tell from the photos that some intense racing was going on. I thought the race itself was exciting, and I actually didn't realize one of the closest finishes in NASCAR history just happened (even though I got a from behind, slightly shaky burst sequence of the finish) as I was at the turn 4 grandstand at the time. But yeah, I would say this race was great regardless of the mesmerizing finish, definitely wouldn't say the best race period, but a very solid and enjoyable race :D
I thank you for doing this video. I've been making this very argument since the checkered flag fell. The finish completely overshadowed all the wrecks and ill handling cars that plagued the race with constant cautions.
Respectfully never rate again 😭🙏🔥🔥🔥
Good race, great finish
Pack racing is boring, but they always have exciting finishes, so people judge them based on the finish.
Brock Beard for President! Get this idea of Atlanta hosting the all-star race going! A perfect track for the format they have used for as long as I have been a fan, especially with it being a sprint. It then opens up Brock's additional domino of North Wilkesboro getting a points race!
Yes, it was a great, thrilling race throughout. I literally just rewatched the entire race. You're nuts if you think otherwise.
You mean Entertainment that wasn't a Race
Does anyone else feel like the 2003 southern 500 is an underapprecited great race?
Yes, a good finish makes a “bad” to “ok” race tolerable or even nostalgia inducing. The flip side to that and a good counter video would be a bad finish ruining a great race, whether that is a rain out, caution in last few laps to end under yellow, etc. I think there is also something to say about “who” wins to make a finish good. Point being, and yes apples to oranges but I will watch the 2010 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix time and time again, which is basically a common Red Bull trotting out to a big lead and Sebastian winning which was common in that aero era of the V8’s. It’s only really notable considering the championship implications, any other race and no one bats an eye.
The racing itself looked solid, but could’ve been so much better if it wasn’t for the constant cautions and the cars being restricted.
Thanks for the video, Brock!
but the restrictions literally allowed for this action and timeless result
@@LordBurger respectfully, I don’t care and that’s not the way to do it. There shouldn’t be any restricted racing on intermediate tracks and 2-mile tracks.
The Gen 7 cars racing on the big tracks without restrictions bring great racing. You don’t need that silly restricted stuff at all to provide “great racing”.
Plus the Fact that Since Atlanta Reconfigured there's always a Wreck Waiting to Happen plus the Racing has felt Manufactured
@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT your ignoring the point here this race happened because of the restricted engines
You can't have your cake and eat too either we get racing like this with restricted engines or we go back atlanta being a snooze fest and the only interesting part being the need for new tires every 5 laps which even that is gone at this point
@@wordlesslfiddling I prefer no restrictions at Atlanta. Plus the Gen 7s are great with the big tracks. Restricted racing at Atlanta is not the solution to “better racing”
New Atlanta is better than Daytona and Talladega these days. The other pack races have become so predictable, the manufacturer alliance storyline has gotten old and they don't feel like packs these days - it's really just 2 lines of cars with an occasional 3rd line that screws over one of the other lines. At Daytona and Talladega, getting out of line is a death sentence for a driver's next 20 laps. At Atlanta, drivers could recover and fight back when they got out of line. The green flag pit cycle in stage 2 was actually interesting as well.
Part of Atlanta's fun comes from the aged surface for sure. The 2023 races were a huge improvement over the 2022 races, and last month's race was better than both from last year. But I think Atlanta's shape plays a huge role as well. The dog leg seemed to present a reset for every driver, so each lap told a different story.
Great race, no. Doesn't even come close to the 2001 spring race with Kevin Harvick over Jeff Gordon, the 2000 spring race Dale Earnhardt over Bobby Labonte, and the 2005 spring race with Carl Edwards over Jimmie Johnson. And those photo finishes weren't "Super" speedway races lol.
All Star race at Atlanta would be an incredibly interesting idea to consider…I wish someone in the big office in Daytona would at least consider giving some of your ideas a try…..I feel like they should be able to easily recognize that you are naturally a huge lover of the sport and a terrific and knowledgeable historian and understand it well to know what the f you’re talking about when you make these suggestions… and your ideas actually make sense …u should try to link up with Bob P and the two of you together should collaborate on telling the story of Sonoma, the rich history of races gone by, the number of times the configuration has changed, you kno, the whole sha-bang in a nice tight little 6 and a half minute special for race day or whatever….maybe then NASCAR will see you and have their ear bent with these great ideas u have and do something about it..all star race at Atlanta, and a 400 miler at NWB..let’s go!!!
When I was a kid I watched the 2005 Coke 600 live as well as recorded it and I thought it was very rewatchable.
Atlanta is terrible now. Nascar has got to stop listening to these new ADHD riddled "fans" and their awful ideas.
I've been sitting on row 1 behind the flag man since 98. I have the greatest moments in Ihistory where I have been in the picture as a background figure. I will say the 24 race was my all time favorite. Atlanta has been a stretch of a race for years. It was my sons first race so I was excited it was action packed. I haven't attended a race at Atlanta since 2016 since I was now working for general tire racing.
After working in the industry will you understand why some just disappear. Im not saying its rigged, but as someone on the outside looking in it was magical, then the role was reversed and I saw debt and lies surrounded by drama. I loved the career but in 2022 I was ready to leave the grind. In 2024 I finally got the courage to become an outsider yet again, bit with a different perspective on the logistics and how the media and event management creates the magic
The prime example of a great finish covering up a bad race? The 2016 Daytona 500 for me. The race was single file train racing, Toyota dominated the whole day, and the cars were unable to pass or preserve runs from line to line, except for one at the end.
Stewart didn’t muscle his way around Hamlin at Sears Point….Denny “gave” it to him, he knows how to entertain and I’ll die on that hill lol
I thought the whole race was great start to finish.
This is one of the worst NASCAR takes I have ever seen. And that's saying a lot. Atlanta was a great race through and through capped off by one of the best finishes in the sport's history, but leave it to NASCAR UA-camrs to bitch and moan about how awful it was. No one hates NASCAR more than NASCAR fans.
At 7:34, I literally say, "the 2024 Ambetter 500 was a great race."
Great work on this vid
I thought it was one of the best races I've ever attended. I was the fan they showed with 30 to go in the stage lol
It was the best time I've had at a NASCAR race - EVER! It's up there with last year's Bristol race. I thought the racing was incredible lap to lap and the strategy was fun to watch too. The drivers said it was fun to race and it seemed like everyone all around liked this race. The finish will be an all timer for years to come!
Atlanta repave is only going to get better as the surface degrades. Low grip + pack racing is something that’s been missing for a looooong time and this way we still get the Daytona and Talladega crapshoots. The only problem is they did it to Atlanta and not Texas. Couldn’t be more obvious of a choice lol and we will prob get a Texas clone.
The 2007 daytona 500 was pretty boring till the final 50 or so laps and im tired of pretending it wasnt
Random Races I'd rewatch
2011 Homestead
All Watkins Glen races between 2011-2014
2013 Chicagoland
2011 Atlanta
2005 Atlanta
2022 Coca-Cola 600
2022 Auto Club
Borh 2023 Kansas Races
1992 Atlanta
1992 The Winston
I never even thought of making it the all star race, but that's actually a great idea. I feel like we'd see incredible racing, similar to what we saw there last July
Absolutely NOT the greatest race in NASCAR history, but it certainly was one of the most memorable finishes, and just a generally enjoyable from start to finish as a NASCAR fan!
To me the race just was really boring except for the finish
This was the best new Atlanta race, in the top 5 Atlanta finishes ever, but not one of the greatest races ever.
Do the Harlem Globetrotters have the best basketball games? No, and neither do most superspeedways have the best race. The 2001 Atlanta finish with 5 cars dueling it out for 10 or so laps was thrilling, plus it had the emotional finish.
Lap 1-259 was a 0/10 complete garbage. lap 260 5/10 and thats because it was only the last 1/2 mile that was cool. Atlanta should be bulldozed not Auto Club 😢
Legendary finish to a bad race, but great SHOW. It's just not racing. I'd rather them race with the regular intermediate package. And if someone runs away with it, they deserved it. They still need more power and narrower tires.
I actually like the idea of Atlanta & North Wilkesboro trading dates. Atlanta in its gimmick phase would be perfect for the All-Star race while North Wilkesboro gets actual points races. ☺
*Thank you!*
This is something I have said for a long time. It takes more than a good finish to make the *entire race* good.
Good finish =/= Good race
Its still Craven vs Kurt for me.
Plus Turning Atlanta into a Mini Daytona and Talladega with Pack Racing, just made the Racing Manufactured, Let these Cars Run Unrestricted at Atlanta and it should be Better
All races are about the finish. Leading the last lap is what matters most. Stage racing changed a lot but not the fact the last lap is the most important. Cars could run single file all day then come to the line 36 wide for the win and yes it would be considered a great race not just a great "finish". If they all sent it on the last lap for the win which is what all fans want to see their driver and all other drivers do. Also I am one of the few who think all races are great races because if those races were not run Id have to find something else to do and I would rather watch a fan voted boring race than any other sport because these cars, these teams, and drivers will always be great to me. Now dont take that as me loving the NextGEN car to death but its what we got and at least its not the COT....the one car that actually made me go watch Football on weekends. Wheeew glad that didnt last long...about as long as this comment no one is sure to read or agree with. Thanks for the great stuff Double B.
Great finish, not a great race. Still fun, but a lot of time in the yellow.
I agree with Brock, get long runs where these cars settle in and have to have some strategy options makes the race more entertaining for me.
I think another big part of what was awesome about this finish, just the different vibes that would have resulted from each of the 3 photo-finish drivers, and the most popular, and overwhelmingly positive 1st place driver is who won
I think great race is a dominate car with 1 or 2 trying to catch them and battle it out
Like I liked Vegas I think reddick was just as fast or faster he just couldn’t make the final pass but one could say it’s a car issue to so idk not huge modern day nascar fan as I was back in the day
Yes a brock upload!!!🎉🎉
Any race where 22 other drivers beat my least favorite driver is a great race.
A new upload? Cool!
Finally someone notable is pointing out that a good finish doesn't mean the race is good. Good finishes are way easier to come by (and manufacture) then a good race. A Couple other things.
Another important factor is *who* wins. Daniel Suarez, a dude everyone likes and is a bit of an underdog. Ricky Craven, a MASSIVE underdog, Tony Stewart beating Denny Hamlin, like that one's just obvious, right? Now say Kyle Busch won the Atlanta race, or Denny beat Tony out of the way to win Sonoma...would people love it as much?
2003 Darlington 400 will always be my favorite finish. The whole race is pretty good, I have seen it fully 2 or 3 times. I think even if Kurt won it'd be beloved. No one really cares about the Talladega finish that was just as close because it was Jimmie Johnson who won at his peak domination, and it felt a lot more manufactured, like I do about new Atlanta. I just couldn't get into this race because it all felt so...fake. Good finish or not. I kept trying to watch it but wanted to do other things, so I would.
As you noted the races with big wrecks, like the 2002 Aaron's 312. I'll be honest, I love that race. I've seen it at least 3 times fully. It's such an anomaly that we'll probably never see again and to see teams try their hardest just to get wrecked cars on the track is pretty cool. Hell even trillion-caution races like 2005 Busch Series Martinsville or 2007 Nationwide Series Memphis I love to watch and have seen 3 times each. Also the rain races at Montreal and Mid-Ohio. There's something to these "disaster" races that are not really good races per se, but are absolutely worth watching fully.
The last few laps of the '79 Rebel 500 were awesome, even for those of us who couldn't stand Jaws.
Superspeedway style races are not good races but yes you get good finishes but you literally just waiting for for that and big one at those tracks
Exactly this race was God awful. I turned it off after they bragged that they only tore up 95% of the field what a disgrace. They don't race in NASCAR anymore it's entertainment. When I want to see racing I turn on F1, IndyCar, IMSA, WEC really anything but WWECAR
Thank Christ.
The racing was poor. People couldn’t pass. I don’t understand why people are lauding new Atlanta the way they are when 1997-2021 Atlanta was leagues better not only in speed but on track excitement
It pains me knowing how good new Atlanta would race with the intermediate next gen
People couldn't pass? Did we watch the same race?
@@simoneburini4036 people were stuck in that group and couldn’t progress forward.
It’s exactly what haters think Daytona is.