My engineering background forces me to make this comment. Why do all these installers splice into the 6/3 50a service line? The right way is to pull new service line all the way from the shore power plug to the inverter and then all the way from the inverter to the service panel. NO SPLICING!!!
If you can put the inverter at the connection of the splice, then running new wire is not necessary. Except, if you need to increase the awg from inverter to service panel. I personally don’t understand your point unless you’re saying that the old wire is over Experienced🤔
I agree and that is what I did - used less wire as well. I disconnected shore power at the panel, and ran that existing cable to the inverter IN - that ran a new cable from inverter OUT to panel - done. But I put my inverter inside my climate controlled compartment.
That is how I did mine, I pulled the existing 6/3 50amp service line off my breaker panel ran it to my power watch dog then a short jumper from power watch dog to the inverter. Then I ran a new line from the inverter to the breaker panel! No Splicing needed!!
My shore power cable was going right to the breaker box without a transfer switch. I cut the 6/4 cable, ran the other side of existing cable (that is going to the breaker box) to the AC output of the multiplus. I added a new 6/4 wire from the output of my new transfer switch to the AC In on multiplus. The other half of the cut cable (with plug) goes to the input side of my transfer switch (genny on the other input of transfer switch). Presto. No pulling wires to and from breaker box.
Also not sure how I feel about screw terminals that clamp onto the 6/4 wires. Do they need blue loctite or something to keep them from coming loose in these new connectors Chris is talking about? There is a reason why rv manufacturers do not use screw type outlets (like homes use), because a screw can get loose as opposed to those rv outlets that are shallow and have the press on back, and wires that get pressed into a V type channel connector inside the outlet to hold the wire in place on bumpy roads. Not sure what these outlets are called but I had to replace one and it wasn’t fun.
Next chat to hit the forums will be whether you should use ferrules with that style of clamp or not. So many people get the use of ferrule with the type of terminal connect wrong. Personally, I’m a bigger fan of the insulated Morris connectors and pushing in all in a junction box if needed. Most din rail boxes are so tiny you need baby fingers to use them and that point they seem undersized for the potential heat they could generate This box is pretty good size.
Hi Chris. I’m thinking of going 24 volt on my fifth wheel. My question is are you happy with your batteries. I don’t see many companies making 24 volt 200 amp. Just curious how yours are working out
@@marc-andrebelley2217 The Dinkle DK10N terminal block is UL Recognized. If you pop a block, or two due to the jumpers, off of the DIN rail, you will see a cULus stamp on it. C for Canada and US for United States. I hope this helps!
I noticed the jumpers were inserted 2 were on the single wire side and the other 2 jumpers were on the dual wires side. Does it matter what side the jumpers are inserted?
@@Capt-John-T-Moore no doesn’t matter, just connect the two you want joined. Each Dinkle has two slots so you can join more than two together, you can insert the jumpers diagonal adjacent to combine the whole row if you wanted too.
Where’s the single in & out used ? Must have missed that part . But this is exactly how a video should be made . Exactly the same setup I’m working on too .
If I am not mistaken rhe "single in-single out" connector is from "shore power in" to the inverter in before the split to the two inverters AC in. I did a similar setup (but with a single MultiPlus II) I just took the output from my transfer switch and ran it through a similar connection device to the inverter AC in rather than to the breaker panel. I then ran a 6-4 cable from the AC out of the MultiPlus II to the breaker panel
The single in and out would be used instead of the wire nuts by the breaker panel, it's to join the line going to the inverter to your existing shore power
Why do you even need to splice anything!!! Unless you have a transfer switch or something just pull the 6/4 power cord off the Main breaker box and run it to AC input of the inverter now your AC output off the inverter you can go into the junction box and only have to use one cable run up to your breaker box!!!
@@saltytrips My breaker box is in the middle of my RV and I was able to pull the main power cord from the breaker to the front also I did a pull string so it made it easy to pull the new cable back in. I didn’t even need to craw inside at all plus I save money
@@CherishtheJourneyy there was zero slack in the cable, seems like this is mostly the case, most RV manufacture aren’t going to through 15’ of extra 6/4 cable in every RV, they don’t tend to waste that kind of money on RV’s, they tend to do the opposite and cut waste.
@@Carol-ms8vm we aren’t installers, hopefully our videos help with your build, here a link to all our Victron install videos ua-cam.com/play/PLXL0DAEhCeew8ymmeXnQZbforpQDwK_e3.html&si=oxIx2rbJAEx8yCHo
@@charlieodom9107 it’s called “mooch-docking”. Where you dogbone down to 15A, say at a friends/family members driveway. Can’t do that if your Multi’s are in parallel and have an 18.5 minimum
@wdafchuck this is where you are absolutely wrong! There are several ways to limit shore power on Victron inverters. The easiest is to just turn one off. The best way to do this is to wire the inverters in series and set the 2nd inverter to accept whatever you want from the first. I have done this in a marine install where the lowest amperage an inverter would go is 26.4a, and there are cases where the boat could only be connected to a 20a circuit, like when on the hard and when at some remote locations. There are also some cheeky things you can do with "conditional power" settings in a series inverter setup that can save you some phantom power by running only one inverter most of the time.
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My engineering background forces me to make this comment. Why do all these installers splice into the 6/3 50a service line? The right way is to pull new service line all the way from the shore power plug to the inverter and then all the way from the inverter to the service panel. NO SPLICING!!!
If you can put the inverter at the connection of the splice, then running new wire is not necessary. Except, if you need to increase the awg from inverter to service panel. I personally don’t understand your point unless you’re saying that the old wire is over Experienced🤔
I agree and that is what I did - used less wire as well. I disconnected shore power at the panel, and ran that existing cable to the inverter IN - that ran a new cable from inverter OUT to panel - done. But I put my inverter inside my climate controlled compartment.
That is how I did mine, I pulled the existing 6/3 50amp service line off my breaker panel ran it to my power watch dog then a short jumper from power watch dog to the inverter. Then I ran a new line from the inverter to the breaker panel! No Splicing needed!!
You don't need to splice or go to panel you can do it at the transfer switch.
I suppose that is as long as you have a generator
good job!!! love the firm connections, a lot better than wing nuts for heavy amps
@@SEANRMZ definitely more secure clean connection
Did you add in the tank level indicator or burgler alarm on the main led panel?
Great video, thanks for sharing.
My shore power cable was going right to the breaker box without a transfer switch. I cut the 6/4 cable, ran the other side of existing cable (that is going to the breaker box) to the AC output of the multiplus. I added a new 6/4 wire from the output of my new transfer switch to the AC In on multiplus. The other half of the cut cable (with plug) goes to the input side of my transfer switch (genny on the other input of transfer switch). Presto. No pulling wires to and from breaker box.
Also not sure how I feel about screw terminals that clamp onto the 6/4 wires. Do they need blue loctite or something to keep them from coming loose in these new connectors Chris is talking about? There is a reason why rv manufacturers do not use screw type outlets (like homes use), because a screw can get loose as opposed to those rv outlets that are shallow and have the press on back, and wires that get pressed into a V type channel connector inside the outlet to hold the wire in place on bumpy roads. Not sure what these outlets are called but I had to replace one and it wasn’t fun.
Awesome. Keep up the good work.
@@larryphillips4164 thank you, appreciate the feedback
Next chat to hit the forums will be whether you should use ferrules with that style of clamp or not. So many people get the use of ferrule with the type of terminal connect wrong.
Personally, I’m a bigger fan of the insulated Morris connectors and pushing in all in a junction box if needed.
Most din rail boxes are so tiny you need baby fingers to use them and that point they seem undersized for the potential heat they could generate
This box is pretty good size.
@@RollinHomies so far so good, been put heavy loads no issues. I almost went Morris but these had a cleaner fit and look.
You do not need ferrules for these terminal blocks. Some people do because they always use ferrules, but it isn't necessary.
Hi Chris.
I’m thinking of going 24 volt on my fifth wheel. My question is are you happy with your batteries. I don’t see many companies making 24 volt 200 amp. Just curious how yours are working out
@@robyakemchuk111 so far so good , lighter than most for the amount of power you get. We have four of them and glad we have 20,000wh to play with.
Great video, is it possible to ask your contact if there is any chance f9r assembly to be also ULc approved for Canadian users?
@@marc-andrebelley2217 I would contact a professional in Canada 🇨🇦 , let us know what you find out.
@@saltytrips it’s the manufacturer that has to certified its products!
@@marc-andrebelley2217 The Dinkle DK10N terminal block is UL Recognized. If you pop a block, or two due to the jumpers, off of the DIN rail, you will see a cULus stamp on it. C for Canada and US for United States. I hope this helps!
I noticed the jumpers were inserted 2 were on the single wire side and the other 2 jumpers were on the dual wires side. Does it matter what side the jumpers are inserted?
@@Capt-John-T-Moore no doesn’t matter, just connect the two you want joined. Each Dinkle has two slots so you can join more than two together, you can insert the jumpers diagonal adjacent to combine the whole row if you wanted too.
@@saltytrips thanks that’s the system I’m looking for
Thank you I just ordered one
@@richardgollar6300 👍
Good tips
And only Dinkle heavy duty contacts
Where’s the single in & out used ? Must have missed that part . But this is exactly how a video should be made . Exactly the same setup I’m working on too .
If I am not mistaken rhe "single in-single out" connector is from "shore power in" to the inverter in before the split to the two inverters AC in. I did a similar setup (but with a single MultiPlus II) I just took the output from my transfer switch and ran it through a similar connection device to the inverter AC in rather than to the breaker panel. I then ran a 6-4 cable from the AC out of the MultiPlus II to the breaker panel
The single in and out would be used instead of the wire nuts by the breaker panel, it's to join the line going to the inverter to your existing shore power
@@ChrisBairKeto this 👆
Why do you even need to splice anything!!! Unless you have a transfer switch or something just pull the 6/4 power cord off the Main breaker box and run it to AC input of the inverter now your AC output off the inverter you can go into the junction box and only have to use one cable run up to your breaker box!!!
@@CherishtheJourneyy breaker box is in the middle of the RV and the Inverters is in the front of the RV 🤦♂️
@@saltytrips My breaker box is in the middle of my RV and I was able to pull the main power cord from the breaker to the front also I did a pull string so it made it easy to pull the new cable back in. I didn’t even need to craw inside at all plus I save money
@@CherishtheJourneyy there was zero slack in the cable, seems like this is mostly the case, most RV manufacture aren’t going to through 15’ of extra 6/4 cable in every RV, they don’t tend to waste that kind of money on RV’s, they tend to do the opposite and cut waste.
Where are you located? Can you do mine?
@@Carol-ms8vm we aren’t installers, hopefully our videos help with your build, here a link to all our Victron install videos ua-cam.com/play/PLXL0DAEhCeew8ymmeXnQZbforpQDwK_e3.html&si=oxIx2rbJAEx8yCHo
That’s cool Chris… Now if we can just figure how to get below the 18.5 amps shore minimum when running parallel inverters
Why would you want to be below 18.5a shore power? The lowest shore power inlet is 30a.
@@charlieodom9107 it’s called “mooch-docking”. Where you dogbone down to 15A, say at a friends/family members driveway. Can’t do that if your Multi’s are in parallel and have an 18.5 minimum
@wdafchuck this is where you are absolutely wrong! There are several ways to limit shore power on Victron inverters. The easiest is to just turn one off.
The best way to do this is to wire the inverters in series and set the 2nd inverter to accept whatever you want from the first. I have done this in a marine install where the lowest amperage an inverter would go is 26.4a, and there are cases where the boat could only be connected to a 20a circuit, like when on the hard and when at some remote locations.
There are also some cheeky things you can do with "conditional power" settings in a series inverter setup that can save you some phantom power by running only one inverter most of the time.
@@charlieodom9107 that would complete defeat the purpose of this setup 🤦♂️
@@wdafchuck most likely I’ll run two Blue Smart chargers in parallel amzn.to/3zwQe2N with one of these amzn.to/3Yd1KuL
You should take a look at a video on off-grid garage 2022 march 3. It about two victron inverters in series it’s a unique way of doing it.
Ha S T. You know they make wire strippers for 6 awg stranded conductors.
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DinkleBerry connectors stink.