@@CinePals No I agree with you at it all feels kind of wonky right now but maybe as more episodes come out it will roll better I don't like Disney Plus's thing of doing weekly sometimes. Doesn't really work with everything.
21:31 As i recall obi wan cried more than once The death of qui-gon The death of satine (maybe) The battle of anakin in mustafar His first battle with vader at the end.
@@jenewbeeall it comes down to is how I recall it seeing portrayed in previous stories. For me, this is a “new approach.” Some people have pointed out instances where Obi-Wan cried (like the initial post here), but each of those instances (I felt) were earned as it was built up to much more effectively compared with this.
@@CinePals remember we only have Osha's perspective in this episode and we don't know what actually happened with Sol and the other Jedi, Mae and the rest of her group. I don't think the Jedi handled it very well and it might be guilt.
@@jenewbeeI completely agree with you, I think this show is gonna grow on people when we get the full picture of what really happened, I believe we’l get mae’s perspective next episode and mybe why Taubin and Sol feel so guilty.
Sol is for sure giving Qui-Gon Jinn vibes, easily connects and compassionate, and while he is good all the way through, he seems to have the "heart" that many of the stoic Jedi don't show.
When they had that banter my mind went to PoTC and Sparrow and Barbossa are going back and forth... "What Rrrrrr you doing?" "What Arrrrrr you doing?. No, What arrrrr you doing" Lol
@@CinePals No, I'm saying it's already been established in the first episode that Sol gives his emotions more free rein than Jedi of that era are used to or necessarily approve of. It was the same with Qui-Gon and why the Jedi on the Council weren't comfortable with him. From their perspective, Sol and Qui-Gon are controlled by their emotions and have too much attachment. Even those that strive to have as little attachment show emotion, they just don't use those emotions to try to control the force, see Obi-Wan screaming at Anakin, etc.
@@tacomuerte936 It's a little different though since Anakin had destroyed the entire Jedi Order, feel like anyone would have that kind of reaction to their Padawan joining the Dark Side and destorying everything you know. I wouldn't say Qui-Gon was controlled by his emotions at all, everything he done and wanted to do was because it was the will of the force, nothing to do with personal feelings. That's why he was so determined to get Anakin in the Order, he knew he was the one to bring balance and would do anything to allow him to, as it was the will of the force. He even turned down a seat on the council to follow his own path. Adhering to a philosophy centered around the Living Force, Qui-gon strove to follow the will of the Force even when his actions conflicted with the wishes of the High Council.
@@calzzo11 I never said Qui-Gon or Sol are controlled by their emotions. I said other Jedi perceive that they allow their emotions to control them. Huge difference in the two statements. And yes, it is natural that Obi-Wan reacted that way. I'm responding to the original assertion that Jedi don't show emotion
Achara has a point, If you look closely, when Osha is recovering on the Jedi ship, Torbin (the monk) has his face scar. Something happened. I assume a battle between the Jedi and the Coven of witches.
I think we needed to see that in this episode. A lot was skipped. Perhaps saved for another episode but these episode lengths are arbitrary changed as needed to suit the show.
@@CinePals I'm holding any kind of judgements until the entire series is complete. however, I'm digging that there's no hand-holding in the story and the writing assumes we are intelligent enough to figure there's more to come as the story unfolds. It's said that this story was inspired by Akira Kurosawa's Rashomon.
@@CinePals I agree that there were some strange cuts/edits that the director and/or editor made, some things that they _should_ have focused on briefly and some other things they shouldn't have cut at all and some that were just damn confusing. I _do_ like the show, and I like the character study this turned out to be, but I can agree there were definitely flaws. Like with the bridge with the girls standing on it accusing each other, "What did you do?" and Osha was on the left side of the screen and Mae on the right. But then it seems to flip when the bridge collapses and Osha falls, so now we get Sol rushing in from the right side of the screen and catching her. I had to rewind and rewatch because I was confused as to which one of the girls he really saved, and if they hadn't ended with the shot of Mae under the bunta tree calling for Osha, I'd be asking what they did to convince Mae she was Osha. And I agree, we should have gotten a closer look at the fact Torbin's face is scarred up. It took another reactor with either a larger screen or sharper eyes than mine to point out he was in the background and had that scar. Yet another reactor pointed out the lunar eclipse happening behind Aniseya during the Ascension rites giving us the red and blue rings that we get in the title card; that should have been made more prominent by either being larger in the SFX, being alluded to in the script, or just getting a close-up shot of it taking place before cutting to the witches lined up for the ceremony. Is it meaningful? Maybe. Maybe not. But if it is and it comes up later, it's going to confuse the audience.
I think that one of the four Jedi (especially Torbin because of what he said to Mae before he died, and the scar on his face that we see he just got in the ship) did something that escalated into the witches fighting against the four Jedi, which led them getting killed because the four Jedi had no choice but to defend themselves. Therefore after the whole incident Sol feels responsible and guilty about Osha's entire family and home being destroyed, even though it wasn't intentional in the first place. Which is also why he lies to Osha in the ship about what happened and therefore leading him into feeling very emotional for her in that moment.
We will see. I think Leslye Headland is taking a page out of Akira Kurosawa. In one of his films from the 1950's Kurosawa shows a horrific event but then shows the event over and over again from the preceptive of 4 different characters in show. It is an interesting way of story telling and it tells me they are taking chances.
@@Madame702Yep, Rashomon. And I think you’re spot on. They’re giving us the story in bits and pieces. It was almost funny how Jaby and Achara were asking the right questions, how could Mae overpower a coven full of witches, how could she cause that much destruction, how could the witches die to just fire... but seem to miss the mark entirely. Maybe bc... Mae didn’t kill the coven? Maybe Mae didn’t overpower them. Especially bc we see none of that, but they jump to that conclusion when we witness none of that. We’re being drip fed pieces of the puzzle and from different perspectives. We’ll see if it pays off in the end, but the missing pieces definitely feel deliberate and by design.
@@Vulcanerd Ok, so in this episode we are only seeing things from the perspective of Osha. I think in Episode 4 we might see things from the point of view of Mae, which should be interesting. Episode 5 would be from the point of view of the Jedi themselves and why the Jedi have gone out their way to find and disrupt the "Ascension Ceremony" of these Witches. I suspect the Jedi know how these two girls were created. But for what reason is still a mystery to us for now.
People are treating shows like meals their friends cook for them, as long as you can eat it just praise what you can and ignore the bad parts. Disney is not your friend cooking you a meal. It spent millions of dollars on this. Some people are truly have umm dull taste buds. To them a chain Chinese buffet and a hole in the wall Chinese restaurant with an entire off menu dish list for the Chinese people are the same quality of food. They say everything is good, their praise means nothing. Honestly most reactors are this way. I only actually continually watch reactors who have said a show is bad or just stopped watching a show. That gives me some peace of mind when I see them visibly enjoy something, I know it is likely genuine. But a reactor who never says they don't like a show is not worth watching. They have a dull tongue for media and everything tastes the same to them.
@@arifulalam16 Think of whatever thing you hate the most in life and then remember that there are many people who like it. Art is entirely subjective, but they have classes on writings, cinematography, and even choreography for a reason. They are basic standards you must meet before you can consider your own vision. Of course exceptions exist to every broad statement like that. Some artists succeed by ignoring those standards, but Disney has no Picassos, they are not making cutting edge boundary pushing art. So they must adhere to basic standards for a story. Believe it or not there is something close to objectively bad writing, cinematography, and choreography. Most Disney Star Wars shows have had one of those three be objectively bad. I pity people who enjoy them, the highs are not as high for them. Everything is good enough to watch and they have no ability to see something special.
Things I don’t understand: why does Mae think OSHA died? How did this group of force users all seemingly die in place? What did the Jedi do to make one feel guilty enough to take poison? Where were the Jedi when this all happened? Why didn’t they intervene? This episode answers none of that.
Likely caught a glimpse of Osha (as she herself fell) was her falling. She didn't fall far enough to die, and presumed Osha fell further. What really happened in the temple is another flashback to come likely.
This only the third episode, you don't think they're not gonna explain and reveal what happened later at some point? Isn't that what certain movies and shows are supposed to do is leave you with questions and wondering? Jesus you people are going in so hard on a show that's barely getting up off the ground yet 😒💯
I knew twins who couldn't stand each other in their youth. To the point they had to be put in separate classes at school because they were constantly fighting for any kind of reasons
Disney only seems to use the Unreal Engine + OLED room combo from now on, every other show where they used that had a similar budget, I don't know seems pretty obvious to me, everything is expensive now
Theory: The Jedi believe the Sith have been wiped out. The Sith use this to their advantage and begin working behind the scenes by infiltrating various governments and using politics as an ongoing weapon to weaken the Jedi Order. They also begin wiping out all other Force using denominations throughout the galaxy. They are the ones behind the attack; the four Jedi report this to the Jedi Order who bury the information out of fear. The four Jedi are then instructed to do a cover up and hilarity ensues.
What intrigues me is Mother Anisye maybe neither light or dark side force user. We see a "Conjunction" of the Red and Blue moon over the "Ascension Ceremony". All we know comes form the "Bindu" when Jedi Knight Kanan Jarrus meets him and he tells of the ancient Jedaii's ways of the Ashla and Bogan. Where he has achieve balance with the force.
Jedi Master Mace Windu speak of the prophecy of the one that will bring balance to the force and that they thought it was Anakin Skywalker. Now eventually he does take down the Emperor but does he bring balance to the force? Not really. That thread was never followed.
@@Madame702 He brought balance to the force, in the Lucasverse. IF you read any legends comics and books, I mean yeah palps came 1 time back as a sith ghost and tried to possess someone and continue his work, but Anakin brought balance. He just needed someones help to fullfill it, Lukes help. The Disneyverse just ruined Anakin´s prophecy and brought palps back. just like that. SOMEHOW PALPS RETURNED!?!?! the hell?
@@berke9313 You need to be careful. Anakin and his son Luke brought balance to galactic government not the "Force". Those are two different issues. That why I thought "Rey" character would be more of "internal show" and her trying to use both the light and dark side of the Force. We did not get that. We got a remake of A New Hope.
@@berke9313 Problem is the with the current creators is that they are to western. The trying to deal with issues in a very external way. The reason that Star Wars episode IV worked was that the actor Alex Guinness was a practicing Zen Buddhist. You can see he can articulate the internal struggle of hate, fear and why needs to be over come.
Did they learn nothing from the new Willow? A failed lesbian fantasy under the guise of the beloved halfling wizard movie! They took that show off Disney Plus entirely and claimed that there was nothing wrong 🤨
Cops in our area when talking to kids would sometimes if the kid looked nervous would hand them their gun to hold. Of course they showed that they disarmed it before but you could see the child’s attitude change as more accepting the officer and not afraid. Sol handing her the saber stood for two things. One to show he wasn’t a threat and two to show her what she could get if she joined the Jedi.
@@MonkeyblvckboiWow, did you miss the entire point of this thread? It’s a response to something negative I said about the show. Stop being some blind poison to the internet for an agenda dude. I don’t love the show so far (it’s alright) but dang, the level of vitriol is insane and undeserved.
Qui Gon acted like Sol did.... Thats why he was different from the regular jedi, this isnt anything new. And you guys have to keep in mind this is from Oshas perspective, its clearly not showing the truth cause the jedi seemed like they tricked her into thinking Mae really did kill the family. But why were they there? How did the witches all die? Its something thats likely getting explained from Maes point of view this time.
How can someone watch and enjoy this ....? So many things wrong with this episode. Awful writing. This was supposed to explain why bearded Jedi killed himself and why did he? So bad. How did all the force sensitive witches die from this fire while not being ❤️🔥? Not even one thought there is a fire maybe we should go out? This was the last episode I will watch from this show.
It is SO obvious that this isn’t the full story. You are correct, the fire would NOT explain all the death, nor the bearded Jedi killing himself. The fact that the bearded Jedi said “forgive us, we thought we were doing the right thing” the episode before was there to tell the audience that this isn’t the full story. It’s very funny that you are SO close to processing that, but instead just assumed it was bad/inconsistent writing 😂
550 likes to 1,1K dislikes, as of right now. I still enjoy most of your reactions, but at the same time have the right to feel the opposite. Like in this instance... I'm done with this show, I'm done with Disney "Star Wars." I consider only Rogue One, Andor, Rebels and the last season of CW canon from Disney. Maybe the first two seasons of Mando, because I enjoyed it, before the bait and switch in season 3 and I effin like Bo-Katan (just give her own show)! I like the original Ahsoka. I just hate what they're doing with this franchise. Dave Filoni is hardly blameless at this point... I gave everything Disney SW at least a chance. I'm done and from looking at things, I'm far from being the only one. Quite the opposite. Enough is enough.
*“Your eyes can deceive you, don't trust them.”* - Obi-Wan Kenobi and Luke Skywalker *“Your eyes can deceive you. We must not trust them.”* - Master Sol This line is very important! Don't believe everything you see. We need all the facts, all the perspectives and points of views from both Mae and the Jedi because we didn't see anything that happened that would make Master Torbin want to kill himself over it after 16 years.
It’s also funny that you guys were like how can a oven full of witches die to a bit of fire or be overpowered by a little girl! What happen to the power of two and more! You guys are asking all the right questions, but like missing the mark? It may turn out your guys’ assumption is correct, but we never see Mae overpower them, right? We never see Mae kill them, right? We never see the coven burn and die from the fire, right? So, then, why do you assume it’s Mae that overpowers them? Or that kills them? Or the fire that killed them? Or could someone else have been involved? Did we see Koril’s body among the dead? If the Jedi could track down a pair of special kids, couldn’t the Sith master? Would a Sith be interested in someone like that? And how would a Sith ween a kid away from their family? Also, did you guys notice that, when the Jedi were back on the ship, Torbyn had a fresh scar on his face?
Agree with most of your comments and criticisms. I'm trying to give this show a chance. First 2 episodes were somewhat interesting. This one was a hot mess. Not sure if I can keep watching this. Guess I'll give it ONE more episode. But if it's anything like this one, I think I'm done...
There’s DEFINITELY more to this story, Torbin even told Mae, “we thought we were doing the right thing” there’s gotta be some trickery or something that the Jedi did, Mae didn’t kill everyone all I’m saying
After this episode I had to look up an interview with the showrunner. She confirmed that the writers are using Rashomon as an influence. What we were shown in episode 3 is only one character's (Osha's) perspective. I need to see some other POVs soon.
@@jimsenbonzakura9402 It's a film by famous Japanes director Akira Kurosawa. The hook of the film is that is shows an "incident" from the perspectives of multiple characters and questions the nature of the truth itself. If you have access to the Criterion Collection (HBO) you should watch it. And no, it won't get you put on an FBI watch list.
@@jimsenbonzakura9402 It's referring to Akira Kurosawa's movie Rashomon where you can see the same story from multiple perspectives, each of them been warped by the narrator's memory/sincerity
That movie also heavily inspired TLJ. Using 3 pov storytelling along with other post modernism elements. Crazy I watched Rashomon in my film class that same semester TLJ came out so I instantly recognized it. Sadly it flew over a lot of peoples heads. It's interesting they decided to use it again for this but we'll see if they can pull it off.
I'm not surprised she cried in this episode this is the same person who cried in the Mulan trailer where they built a concentration camp for that movie 💀
Her crying for Mulan was on the merits of the trailer combined with nostalgia. We had no awareness of the work conditions. And honestly, I didn’t suspect anything foul at all until your comment.
I don't know, I really don't like the "this show isn't gay enough" criticism. Because a) I don't think it's good idea to police queerness of fictional characters and b) LGBTQ character should be portrayed differently they don't all have to be portrayed the same way. Not to mention that this episode seemed more focus on the twins than moms. So, it makes sense why we aren't getting more on their relationship.
This is Disney's virtue signal MO. It's brief in order that they can cut it easily from international versions. That brief moment was for Western audiences only to pander to LGBTQ+.
Well. Thats the problem. Companies like Disney or Netflix are portraying LGBTQ people as some cartoon. And I cant believe that so many people supports that.
About Sol, Jedi are allowed to show emotions, empathy, sympathy, platonic love! It is just that their way of life (like with Catholic monks and nuns) is about serving others selflessly and whole-heartedly. And yes, twins who hate each other exist, I know a pair
Incorrect, Jedi are allowed relationships, but are not allowed sentimental relationships, it's for procreation only. They are allowed to be merciful, kind, helpful, and empathetic, but they are not going to put the lives of those they deem "close" above anyone else. you are simply wrong, they are not allowed to show emotions. This has been a thing since the old republic.
@@muldoone6920 There´s a difference between showing emotions and being completely ruled by emotions (which the Jedi are definitely not allowed to be). But I agree with the rest of your comment, you worded it a bit better then me.
At first i was like "how would fire burn a metal door and a stone room" but what if the fire didn't actually start there? We only see Osha's perspective, so what if this is all what she thinks happened based on what the Jedi told her? She remembers the argument with Mae, but went through a traumatic experience as a child, so her brain blocked things out and filled in the gaps based on what she was told. I think the Jedi wiped the witches out at a convenient opportunity, and then covered it up.
Yes, but remember they have 8 episodes. Why waste an entire episode not moving the story forward. Nothing in this moves the overall story ahead. We know Mae is alive, we know Mae started a fire, we know Osha was Sol's padawan. We know which Jedi were present on the planet. This show suffers from poor writing
@@ahmorganwe don’t know that she started the fire. We only know what her sister thinks happened. They only show her burning the book. They purposefully didn’t show everything else. There will probably be an episode from the sister’s perspective.
@@Jason-JMAinAZ I don't care at this point. You got it. Everyone else is incapable of understanding this "high art" even though many fans and critics enjoyed Andor, Daredevil, House of the Dragon, The Boys, etc. You got it.
Everyone who is offended by the ritual or the witches in general... you should really have a look at the nightsister arc in Clone Wars. And that was under George Lucas and Dave Filoni. Years ago. Also Asohka
nah man nigthsisters were the shit!! This was cringe, why did they not used the night sisters if they wanted witches?? they wanted female led society, boom there you go, there was so much cool stuff there.... but yeah
@@YuichiTKD You're right of course. But ist is what it is. They have simply no good writing anymore, so the cast have to be pleasing. Guess what? Most of them aren't.
@CinePals, 7:16 It's a ceremony, the ascension for Osha and Mae. It makes sense to assume that they're performing a ritual of some sort. 7:35 Where have we heard those exact words from before, @Achara? Chancellor Palpatine, when explaining the Dark Side of the Force to Anakin at the opera on Coruscant. Witchcraft in Star Wars has an affinity to the Dark Side of the Force apparently. 11:17 I don't understand why "everyone" is made about Osha and Mae being created through the Force in the same way Anakin will be 90 years from this point in the story of Star Wars--the Sith had to learn how to do it from somewhere, and it sure does look like Lucasfilm is telling us that Darth Plagueis or his master learned it from this coven's practices of the Force. The Sith were on the losing end of the war, all knowledge of the Force was collected by the Jedi and locked behind the doors of the library on Coruscant in the Jedi Temple. The Sith had to piece knowledge back together while continuing to learn the things the Jedi didn't want to practice because they were "dark" and "unnatural." When the Jedi fell in RotS, Palpatine took the Jedi Temple and all its knowledge, and that knowledge eventually led him to the World Between Worlds seen in Rebels. He couldn't get in, which is why he tried to tempt Ezra with a reunion with his family, but in the end, Ezra denied him. Palpatine has been searching for the means to cheat death ever since his master hinted at the idea before TPM. Palpatine killed his master probably after believing he had learned the technique. Darth Plagueis the Wise, was indeed wise! He kept that knowledge from his power-hungry apprentice and took that secret with him to the grave. We know from Palpatine's conversation with Anakin in RotS that he didn't know how to cheat death exactly, but he knew that it could indeed be done. Palpatine invited Anakin to discover that power together and sadly, Anakin accepted. I can't say for certain, but I think Anakin was supposed to be Darth Plagueis' vessel, a cycle Darth Plagueis would have repeated over and over again to his heart's content had he survived Palpatine's attack. Palpatine couldn't create life through the Force, and this is why he needed Kamino and their cloning technology, it was the best he could do. But as we saw with Rebels and the new trilogy, it is nearly impossible to clone midichlorians. The best Palpatine's cloners could do was the misshapen puppet that we know as Snoke. That said, it sure did appear to be the case that Palpatine was attempting to possess Kylo Ren and use his body as a vessel--he was going to do the same with Rey at the end of TRoS, but Rey refused to accept the Dark Side, which prevented their union. For Palpatine to transfer his essence into a body, the body needs to be a blank slate (a clone) or a Force-Sensitive being who willingly surrenders to him and that is also aligned with the Dark Side of the Force, which would explain why he wanted a verbal contract with Rey. 12:45 Mae did, and they (the witches) accepted her wishes so why treat Osha differently? Because she chose to be something different? I get the witches' frustrations, they were at the end of the line and Osha and Mae were their last hope, their future. We were told that the witches were being hunted and persecuted, so they put everything they had into creating a powerful weapon to keep them safe, the twins. “You’re with me, I’m with you, always one, but born as two. As above sit the stars and below lies the seas, I give you, you, and you give me, me.” Osha and Mae are two sides of the same coin, the Light and Dark Side of the Force. Their mothers wanted them to stay together, probably because they brought each other balance, but also because they wanted children. Regardless of how this story plays out, the Sith lurking in the shadows likely recorded the error in splitting the power of the Force between two people, which would explain why Anakin was created as one person, and why his midicholorian count is off the charts; he has "the power of many." 13:26 They spoke about the Force. Witchcraft is connected to the Force. Star Wars, for the most part, has shown us the Force through the eyes of Jedi and Sith, but the Force dwells in all living things, remember? The Witches of Dathomir were also Force users, and since witchcraft is more closely aligned to the Dark Side of the Force, it makes sense that they would help Sidious with his first apprentice, Darth Maul, and Dooku with his, Asajj Ventress years later. 15:22 Mother Aniseya knew at this moment that her coven was done. Earlier she spoke about how the thread that binds them cannot be pulled apart, but Osha has already made the choice to do just that. This moment is very likely bittersweet for Mother Aniseya. Osha did something Mother Aniseya didn't anticipate--she seized her own agency and became a real child. 18:08 Osha embraced the person she was...so did Mae. Osha is drawn to the Light Side of the Force. Mae is drawn to the Dark Side. What's interesting is something some low-ranking witches said just before the Jedi entered the room. A voice said the Jedi had sliced through the platform--how do they know it was a Jedi? The Jedi were drawn to an uninhabited planet because they could feel a disturbance in the Force here, but who else can do that? Ki-Adi-Mundi told us that the Sith had been extinct for millennia in The Phantom Menace which takes exactly 100 years after this story. Jedi and Sith dress similarly, use the same power, and carry the same weapon. How would someone who has never seen a Sith be able to distinguish a Jedi from a Sith? Was Mother Koril fearful of the Jedi or someone else she had encountered earlier in the woods? In any case, the Jedi aren't the only ones on Brendok at this time. The Sith Lord we saw at the end of the first story is here, and I believe that that Sith Lord is the one that sliced the platform mentioned earlier. The Jedi didn't come to fight, so why would they slice through the coven's platform? Four Jedi with a ship and speeders wouldn't need to slice a platform to get to the witches. I hope we get the other half of this story, as there is more to it. Osha bonded with Sol, so who did Mae bond with? Her anger cried out, and someone answered. 19:27 Someone who likes killing dreams =/ 20:54 Almost too much? On my second viewing, I came to accept Sol's emotions in this story. Jedi are all attuned to different aspects of the Force. Anakin is great with Machines, Luke too. Ezra is great with animals. Sol, apparently, is great with children! This would explain why he was teaching younglings on Coruscant and why he was on this Master Indara-led mission.
I don’t think the mothers were romantically involved but were together for the creation of the twins. I think the twins were created for a specific purpose but not due to romance.
That's what I was thinking. When I heard mother, I automatically thought of the night sisters and how they call certain witches mother? Also even though the way they touched could mean a relationship, I've had friends touch each other's faces when they talk about important things. Idk if that's weird but I have friends who are close with each other and do stuff like that.
Jaby mentioned how he thinks of the Jedi as more stoic and distant and I don’t disagree, but for the most part they are, aren’t they? Vernestra is like that. Yord tries to be, but still seems too young to have a full grasp on it, though, Jecki is younger, but seems to be ahead of the curve when it comes to non-attachment and stoicism. Indara is another example of more stoicism and distance. All, if anything, reminds me of Qui-Gon even if we never saw Qui-Gon cry. We see that same sort of charm, warmth, etc. I find it kinda funny how hung up on Sol Jaby is since many of the other Jedi are what Jaby describes or aiming to be that more stoic Jedi.
This episode made me not want to watch the Acolyte any more, tired of being fed garbage and being told I’m the bad person for not enjoying nonsensical trash…
Something hasn't been told yet, if u notice the one jedi who drank the poison has a giant slash on his face that wasn't there before when they pick up osha
This is so bad , holy, episode full of plot holes, bad writing and bad acting, it’s like they have a mission to destroy Star Wars and it’s lore for ever lmfao , 180 million budget???! For what ??
I’ve seen issues about this episode with the way they witches are portraying the force. It seems like many either didn’t watch the clone wars series or forgot about the nightsisters and how they manipulated the force. 3:54 like the nightsisters call their clan leader was called “mother” like Mother Talzin. 20:58 he could be the reason why the Jedi now don’t show attachment or emotions like what Sol showed. Remember this is before Kenobi, Skywalker. Didn’t Kenobi show emotion with Satine? Especially when she died. 22:31 the way the witches bodies were looked like a cult killing.
Star Wars ended with Lucas I feel bad for the guy his name will be eventually ruined he must have pissed Kathleen off at some point and we are experiencing the petty revenge
@@SaRENRampaigerwhat would be the point of schilling a show with so much controversy around it? Think about your statement for five seconds dude. What is the benefit? The only way to benefit is to climb aboard the vitriolic hate train. This is literally counter schilling. THINK, man.
Yes. We’re aware. We tried our best to watch this with a neutral approach and form our own opinions as one should…. Or as two people should in the case of us.
@@CinePals Thank you for replying. I thought as much, and I respect your take, but I got the impression you were reacting as you didn't know the current cultural zeitgeist around The Acolyte. All the best to you both and your channel.
An excerpt in the trailer shows that the witches all have black eyes. This means a witch has taken control of everyone and probably some of the Jedi like Kelnacca and Torbin who fight each other in the trailer. In the ship at the end you can see Torbin's bloody scar on his face, which is fresh. Greetings from Germany😊
I believe we just witnessed the story that Osha believes. I think when we get the prospective of Mai, Torbin's scar and his drinking the poison himself after saying that the Jedi "thought" they, were doing the right thing, and the fact that Mai responded to Indara's Jedi don't attack the "unarmed" with "yes they do", I think we are going to go much deeper into the story next we revisit the fire incident.
Such a bad idea to have a flashback episode before they've made us care about the characters. Literally everything that happened was addressed in the first 2 episodes.
14:36 - 😄 15:46 - There have been a decent number of twins who've murdered their "other halves", if that count's. They were probably just good at hiding the hate.
Love how it is established here that there is a “call” to be a Jedi, like, the Jedi do not just pick-up random children, Osha wanted to join before even knowing its possible, she drew the symbol without ever seeing it. Mae wanting to kill her sister made sense character-wise, if she can’t stop her from leaving… (psychopaths behave like that to their partners eg.) Remember, we haven’t seen everything yet, there is info missing how the other witches died exactly, I bet both sides were to blame. Witches are prosecuted by the Republic for using Dark magic… these are not mere hippies…
No one responded to the kids F’ing around? Didn’t Aniseya snap at them and shove them down with a force shove? Did that not happen? Isn’t that the Force equivalent of grabbing them by the ear?
Jedi in the high republic era show more emotion. It’s in the books and comics. One of the reasons for the fall is because they become more rigid and conservative in later eras.
I don’t think we can take everything we saw in this episode at face value. I believe the creators for the show has mentioned a level of Rashomon in the story. There’s a perspective to these events we haven’t been shown yet.
Torbin finishes the episode with that wound on his face and he begs Mae for forgiveness later before killing himself. The Jedi killed the witches and Mae witnessed everything. Osha thinks it was Mae, because she doesn't want to admit otherwise. Sol is attached to her out of guilt. Kelnacca isolated himself. Torbin took the Barash Vow. Indara recognized Mae before dieying. A really big deal is how Brendock wasn't under Republic Jurisdiction, the witches were AFRAID of them, enough so their leader wanted to let Osha lives of it meant to keep the rest of them alive.
I 100% think something will likely be revealed as to why Sol was so emotional in this situation - be it personal history or there being more actually occurring in this scenario than we’ve already been shown. In every scene it feels as though Lee’s peformance is showing that there’s significantly more going on internally with him than he may deliberately show. I also feel like it seems they’re showing the story from multiple perspectives, I think this was from Osha’s. I’m enjoying the show so far, particularly the performances of Keen and Lee but I think the true grasp on whether this show actually succeeds at what’s is trying to be won’t be able to be gaged until it’s finished (it seems as though a lot of things are being held back - at least in my reading of it.)
Whoever is actually responsible for killing all these witches, be it Mae, the Jedi's, or unidentified Sith, they certainly succeeded at doing one more thing; making the Jedi's feel unreasonably guilty *instantly*. That's why Master Torbin had meditated for ten plus years only to take the poison willingly, and why Master Wookie led a reclusive life. I don't know what this guilt did to Master Indara, but I believe it explains why Master Sol was so emotional to the point where he essentially adopts Osha. I do think he failed to control his emotion as a Jedi at that moment. The question is what caused such an extreme and instant guilt for everyone? They've surely killed many "bad actors" before this. Then why?? I hope the show offers strongly persuasive answer to this question in the end.
I seriously hope that somehow some of the jedi were involved in the causation of fire or something else & master torbin knew mae was alive so they had encountered again
My mom was staring at me when that Witch ceremony played, she was like "I don't have to let you look at this..."....but I'm just looking at this show cuz it's summer and it's something I want to watch so this summer can go by more faster! 😅
The idea of "buying" that two people are raising kids in an episode is something that would never be considered if it was a male/female pairing. The story isn't trying to sell some epic romance between them, so what is there not to "buy?"
as a student of human behavior I find it interesting as I watch several reviews of this show by both male and female a lot of women say they really like Sol's character especially when he shows empathy which some may say is feminine trait, as for the perspective of the story well it's simple for me, of course it has a female perspective just as when men write or direct films it's from a male perspective it's human nature and there is nothing wrong with that as far as I'm concerned
I think this is all from Osha's pov. I don't think this is the whole story. I think we will see other povs as the show goes on. I really enjoy the show. It makes me think; "what did the Jedi do?" Jedi are usually the heroes so already this is intriguing. Whatever they did, it must have been something really awful and I think the "fans" are missing the signs and thus, not enjoying the mystery. For instance: when Mae first challenges Indara, Indara says "Jedi do not fight unarmed people." And Mae said;"Yes. You do." Why did she say that so pointedly? It's new. It's a mystery not an action/adventure piece. You have to think and I like that.
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I think why people are upset in general is because this episode brings a lot of nuance. It really shows the jedi as flawed, as well the witches. People in general like being told who is good and bad, but this show really gets into the complexity, and a lot of people don't like that because they don't want to think, they want to be told what to think
@@John_Locke_108 well there is precedence for it in the lore(using the "force" to conceive a child) so i guess it's possible but i thought that was extremely rare and here we two of them and twins at that. very precise force usage i guess
@@John_Locke_108Lol they are a coven of witches who very obviously used witchcraft to create life. This isn’t exactly new in Star Wars. The fact that you only see it through your lens of “men bad” and “women good” just proves that you have the media literacy of an 8 year old.
Important point in this episode is to know that the showrunner is inspired in Akira Kurosawa's Rashomon, where a story was told from 4 different points of views, here in the episode everything seems strange because we see it from Oshea's perspective, it's difficult to believe that Mae did all that burning some book, something else happened, something so bad that the meditating Jedi suicided for it, show moves slower than others for the misterious focus, but i want to believe that can be good at the end, keep rocking and stay safe!
The Rashoman comment I have seen a few times. The difference here is it’s a show. Rashoman probably works more effectively with less (negative) confusion because it’s a film that resolves itself by the end.
@@CinePals totally right, in a movie you don't have to wait a month to go through the story and discover new things, Rashomon is long but not that much 😂😂.. this was a risk for sure, I'm hoping at the end is worthy, but I'm sure this in an all chapters release would've worked better for public, thanks for the response, love your reactions! Keep rocking and stay safe!
We don't know what really happened to the coven. I believe Mae attacks the Padawan, he has a facial scar remember, I think the Jedi killed the coven after Mae attacks which makes the horned mother attack and there ya go. Sol is guilty of killing the Mother of the coven that's why he cried and still feels guilty
We know that Coven fights with bows so I don't think it was tiny Mae that did that. No something else is going on and why would a dark side force user even want to train someone like Mae that doesn't make sense either.
One thing I will say, sometimes Jaby can drive me nuts 😂 Jaby: The Jedi I know are more stoic and distant/reserved! You mean, like Vernestra? Or Indara? Or how Yord is trying to be? Or how Jecki shows concern over attachment? Or York’s padawan (I forget her name)? If anything Jedi like Sol and Qui-Gon seem to be exceptions more than the rule. Jaby: How could Mae overpower a coven of powerful witches!? Maybe bc we never saw her do it? Jaby: How could a bit of fire kill all of the powerful Force users!? Did we see them burn to death? For that matter, did their bodies look burned? There are others, but you get the point. The story has continually been told by unreliable narrators and in bits and pieces, why would you immediately jump to conclusions about scenes we never saw?? I will say, it’s a testament to how the human brain automatically fills in gaps out of thin air and it’s interesting to watch how they fill those gaps, too.
Star wars today is like when 2 boys were playing out in the woods with their G.I. Joe figures, but one of their sisters came to play with them having brought their Barbie dolls. The boys told her no, so she gets upset and cries to their mom. The mom then orders the 2 boys to play with their sister and to be nice. They defiantly agree and allow the sister to bring her Barbie dolls. They start their imaginary adventures. A few moments pass by and the mother sees the boys come back home with their G.I. Joe figures looking bored and uninterested in playing anymore. The mother asked what was wrong and they tell her they ended up playing "House" with the toy figures. Next, you see the sister come back smiling, knowing she disrupted her brothers from having their fun.
The dialogue in this show lacks gravitas. The chant from the witches in this episode reminded me of "The Sea is Always Right" from Rings of Power. It's just so bland, casual, and light. It lacks importance.
There is 0 chance that I believe that Mae did all of that. We saw her burn a book. That's all we saw her do. No way do I believe she killed her entire coven including her own mother, but cause no harm to even a single Jedi. They died in a fire, but nobody got burned and nobody escaped. Really?
Mae wants to kill her sister starts a fire, the Jedi sees the fire and comes to help then Mae tells the witches that the Jedi started the fire. They fight the witches lose and Mae blames the Jedi, and I won't be surprised if Mae killed some of the witches. How are the Jedi bad guys again?
The jedi are not void of emotion they simply controll it and try to not let it influence there choices. Yord for example is learning this he is desperate to prove himself and so letting emotions decide for him instead of staying calm and thinking things fully through. Kanan in rebels also had to learn this when not letting his emotions for hera cloud his judgement. The jedi present themselves as emotionless peace keepers but that is just an image they present the truth is (and we see it time and time again) the jedi are constantly in battle eith there emotions and they have a great many of them. Ashoka anakin obi wan dooku windu kanan ezra and many more are all jedi with very real emotions and being a jedi isnt that you dont HAVE/show emotions its that you dont let them controll your decisions. If you think the jedi are supposed to be emotionless or even flawless or anythib like that then you have compeltely misunderstood the jedi. The jedi are supposed to be flawed that what the whole prequals was about and there flaws didnt apear overnight they had been around and growing before yoda was even around. This show should be where the issues of the jedi actually start coming to light and where the jedi start actually getting pushback from the galaxy so that episode 1-2-3 make sense.
You are right. He seems compromised in every scene. I hope it's a red herring. Plus I may not have liked this episode but the creator has said that there will be some Rashomon episodes. I am pretty sure this one was from one kid's perspective. I just hope it gets better when we get the complete picture.
Leslie drew inspiration from Rashomon, a classic story of a singular event told from different povs.. so it's all an unreliable narrative.. this is likely from Oshas POV
would have been cooler if it was mainly from Osha's POV(Not necessarily in first person). i have seen something similar(can't remember what) in which you are deadlock on a character and the situation plays out and you come to a certain conclusion but then later on you are deadlock on a different character and the same situation plays out(some things are obviously different) and you get another piece of the puzzle and so on. P.S. Thanks for your comment i got to learn something new. I didn't know this style is called "Rashomon"
What I get from this two moms thing is that maybe the horned mom acted as a suroget mother. The girls are created similar to Anikin and then placed in her
You’re only seeing from one perspective. I imagine we will see that scene a couple more times from different characters perspectives. And then it will all come together.
I wish UA-cam had a way of showing my responses to other people to avoid the need for me to repeat what I already said. *sigh* You’re right, Obi Wan has cried, but each time that happened it felt earned and I had no reason to question it. For some reason, here it just didn’t feel earned for me. Rey didn’t go through the same training at all. Anakin’s story is about a child who is wrought with suffering from the loss of his mother and probably shouldn’t have become a jedi which was Yoda’s judgement. He’s an emotional and vengeful character that in many ways does not embody what a Jedi is supposed to be. Qui Gon Jin was dying… I don’t actually remember if he cried, but I’ll forgive the man if he was as he was about to go.
Ya, there’s something missing that they’ll reveal later, the guilt triggered emotion of sol, the death of the coven, fire destroying everything. I feel the Jedi had something to do with it blowing up. I’m willing to give the show a shot, there are 5 more episodes.
@@designvatsa8348 I agree...from what they've said in interviews. It suggests they're going to make the Jedi the bad guys... and the Sith misunderstood. Which really contradicts. Everything we've seen of the darkside. When you join the darkside....you immediately become more evil. It's not about spreading truth to power. Just gaining more power.
Jedi aren’t emotionless robots they supposed to show compassion and care towards others they just don’t let that emotions control their actions
Bingo. Correct.
Jedi aren't Vulcans they show emotions they just believe in understanding and controlling their emotions
Are you saying Sol is bad at this?
@@CinePals No He's being emotionally available for someone who lost their whole family. He's being a good person He's being a good Jedi
@@jenewbeesomething just didn’t feel earned about the end of the episode for me. But if it worked for you then the show did its job.
@@CinePals No I agree with you at it all feels kind of wonky right now but maybe as more episodes come out it will roll better I don't like Disney Plus's thing of doing weekly sometimes. Doesn't really work with everything.
Except the Jedi fail at actual mental health. Anakin is a perfect example of how the Jedi aren't as perfect as they think they are.
21:31 As i recall obi wan cried more than once
The death of qui-gon
The death of satine (maybe)
The battle of anakin in mustafar
His first battle with vader at the end.
I feel like that’s a lot more justified. But maybe I am missing something key as to why it makes equal sense here
@@CinePals Jedi have this character trait called Empathy (hope that read as funny and not mean)
@@jenewbeeall it comes down to is how I recall it seeing portrayed in previous stories. For me, this is a “new approach.” Some people have pointed out instances where Obi-Wan cried (like the initial post here), but each of those instances (I felt) were earned as it was built up to much more effectively compared with this.
@@CinePals remember we only have Osha's perspective in this episode and we don't know what actually happened with Sol and the other Jedi, Mae and the rest of her group. I don't think the Jedi handled it very well and it might be guilt.
@@jenewbeeI completely agree with you, I think this show is gonna grow on people when we get the full picture of what really happened, I believe we’l get mae’s perspective next episode and mybe why Taubin and Sol feel so guilty.
Sol is for sure giving Qui-Gon Jinn vibes, easily connects and compassionate, and while he is good all the way through, he seems to have the "heart" that many of the stoic Jedi don't show.
18:55
- What have you DONE?
- What have YOU done?
I think this means that somebody else did something.
Unreliable narrator (spoiler) 🙏 for Osha
When they had that banter my mind went to PoTC and Sparrow and Barbossa are going back and forth... "What Rrrrrr you doing?" "What Arrrrrr you doing?. No, What arrrrr you doing" Lol
Man nobody cares the writting is BS!
@@berke9313 you can’t blame your lack of critical thinking on the show’s writing… lol
They definitely indicating that they didn't die from whatever Mae did, but it's just what it looked like to Osha
Jedi show emotion all the time. They just don't allow emotion to control them.
So you’re saying the Jedi’s emotions are controlling him here?
@@CinePals just ingore the disney fan ficion, without lucas it is not star wars
@@CinePals No, I'm saying it's already been established in the first episode that Sol gives his emotions more free rein than Jedi of that era are used to or necessarily approve of. It was the same with Qui-Gon and why the Jedi on the Council weren't comfortable with him. From their perspective, Sol and Qui-Gon are controlled by their emotions and have too much attachment. Even those that strive to have as little attachment show emotion, they just don't use those emotions to try to control the force, see Obi-Wan screaming at Anakin, etc.
@@tacomuerte936 It's a little different though since Anakin had destroyed the entire Jedi Order, feel like anyone would have that kind of reaction to their Padawan joining the Dark Side and destorying everything you know. I wouldn't say Qui-Gon was controlled by his emotions at all, everything he done and wanted to do was because it was the will of the force, nothing to do with personal feelings. That's why he was so determined to get Anakin in the Order, he knew he was the one to bring balance and would do anything to allow him to, as it was the will of the force. He even turned down a seat on the council to follow his own path. Adhering to a philosophy centered around the Living Force, Qui-gon strove to follow the will of the Force even when his actions conflicted with the wishes of the High Council.
@@calzzo11 I never said Qui-Gon or Sol are controlled by their emotions. I said other Jedi perceive that they allow their emotions to control them. Huge difference in the two statements. And yes, it is natural that Obi-Wan reacted that way. I'm responding to the original assertion that Jedi don't show emotion
Respect how diplomatic you both are in describing this mess of a show.
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Yep, go to blind wave and they are in just full denial
@@sitaro1207
Blind Wave has always loved Disney Wars slop. They just want the member berries.
Achara has a point, If you look closely, when Osha is recovering on the Jedi ship, Torbin (the monk) has his face scar. Something happened. I assume a battle between the Jedi and the Coven of witches.
I think we needed to see that in this episode. A lot was skipped. Perhaps saved for another episode but these episode lengths are arbitrary changed as needed to suit the show.
@@CinePals I'm holding any kind of judgements until the entire series is complete. however, I'm digging that there's no hand-holding in the story and the writing assumes we are intelligent enough to figure there's more to come as the story unfolds. It's said that this story was inspired by Akira Kurosawa's Rashomon.
@@CinePals This episode was entirely from Osha's point of view. I'll guarantee we get a version of this from Mae's point of view later.
@@CinePals It's nearly all from Osha's perspective, so of course you didn't see everything.
@@CinePals I agree that there were some strange cuts/edits that the director and/or editor made, some things that they _should_ have focused on briefly and some other things they shouldn't have cut at all and some that were just damn confusing. I _do_ like the show, and I like the character study this turned out to be, but I can agree there were definitely flaws. Like with the bridge with the girls standing on it accusing each other, "What did you do?" and Osha was on the left side of the screen and Mae on the right. But then it seems to flip when the bridge collapses and Osha falls, so now we get Sol rushing in from the right side of the screen and catching her. I had to rewind and rewatch because I was confused as to which one of the girls he really saved, and if they hadn't ended with the shot of Mae under the bunta tree calling for Osha, I'd be asking what they did to convince Mae she was Osha.
And I agree, we should have gotten a closer look at the fact Torbin's face is scarred up. It took another reactor with either a larger screen or sharper eyes than mine to point out he was in the background and had that scar. Yet another reactor pointed out the lunar eclipse happening behind Aniseya during the Ascension rites giving us the red and blue rings that we get in the title card; that should have been made more prominent by either being larger in the SFX, being alluded to in the script, or just getting a close-up shot of it taking place before cutting to the witches lined up for the ceremony. Is it meaningful? Maybe. Maybe not. But if it is and it comes up later, it's going to confuse the audience.
I think that one of the four Jedi (especially Torbin because of what he said to Mae before he died, and the scar on his face that we see he just got in the ship) did something that escalated into the witches fighting against the four Jedi, which led them getting killed because the four Jedi had no choice but to defend themselves. Therefore after the whole incident Sol feels responsible and guilty about Osha's entire family and home being destroyed, even though it wasn't intentional in the first place. Which is also why he lies to Osha in the ship about what happened and therefore leading him into feeling very emotional for her in that moment.
We will see. I think Leslye Headland is taking a page out of Akira Kurosawa. In one of his films from the 1950's Kurosawa shows a horrific event but then shows the event over and over again from the preceptive of 4 different characters in show. It is an interesting way of story telling and it tells me they are taking chances.
@@Madame702Yep, Rashomon. And I think you’re spot on. They’re giving us the story in bits and pieces.
It was almost funny how Jaby and Achara were asking the right questions, how could Mae overpower a coven full of witches, how could she cause that much destruction, how could the witches die to just fire... but seem to miss the mark entirely.
Maybe bc... Mae didn’t kill the coven? Maybe Mae didn’t overpower them. Especially bc we see none of that, but they jump to that conclusion when we witness none of that.
We’re being drip fed pieces of the puzzle and from different perspectives. We’ll see if it pays off in the end, but the missing pieces definitely feel deliberate and by design.
@@Vulcanerd Ok, so in this episode we are only seeing things from the perspective of Osha. I think in Episode 4 we might see things from the point of view of Mae, which should be interesting. Episode 5 would be from the point of view of the Jedi themselves and why the Jedi have gone out their way to find and disrupt the "Ascension Ceremony" of these Witches. I suspect the Jedi know how these two girls were created. But for what reason is still a mystery to us for now.
Star Wars is about Good VS Evil. Light VS Dark. Having the Jedi be anything other than Good and Light is not Star Wars
I'm just going to say it. Do people actually think this is good?
People are treating shows like meals their friends cook for them, as long as you can eat it just praise what you can and ignore the bad parts.
Disney is not your friend cooking you a meal. It spent millions of dollars on this.
Some people are truly have umm dull taste buds. To them a chain Chinese buffet and a hole in the wall Chinese restaurant with an entire off menu dish list for the Chinese people are the same quality of food. They say everything is good, their praise means nothing.
Honestly most reactors are this way. I only actually continually watch reactors who have said a show is bad or just stopped watching a show. That gives me some peace of mind when I see them visibly enjoy something, I know it is likely genuine. But a reactor who never says they don't like a show is not worth watching. They have a dull tongue for media and everything tastes the same to them.
Apparently some people do...😂
@@arifulalam16 Think of whatever thing you hate the most in life and then remember that there are many people who like it.
Art is entirely subjective, but they have classes on writings, cinematography, and even choreography for a reason.
They are basic standards you must meet before you can consider your own vision. Of course exceptions exist to every broad statement like that. Some artists succeed by ignoring those standards, but Disney has no Picassos, they are not making cutting edge boundary pushing art. So they must adhere to basic standards for a story.
Believe it or not there is something close to objectively bad writing, cinematography, and choreography. Most Disney Star Wars shows have had one of those three be objectively bad. I pity people who enjoy them, the highs are not as high for them. Everything is good enough to watch and they have no ability to see something special.
I really wish that [woke] Disney would stop making films, permanently.
Things I don’t understand: why does Mae think OSHA died? How did this group of force users all seemingly die in place? What did the Jedi do to make one feel guilty enough to take poison? Where were the Jedi when this all happened? Why didn’t they intervene? This episode answers none of that.
in other words, this was garbage fire!
To be fair, the season is not over yet.
Media literacy is at an all-time low. They may give those answers in the coming episode... that's how TV series work.
Likely caught a glimpse of Osha (as she herself fell) was her falling. She didn't fall far enough to die, and presumed Osha fell further.
What really happened in the temple is another flashback to come likely.
This only the third episode, you don't think they're not gonna explain and reveal what happened later at some point? Isn't that what certain movies and shows are supposed to do is leave you with questions and wondering? Jesus you people are going in so hard on a show that's barely getting up off the ground yet 😒💯
“Oh… OH!” “Get with the program”😭❤️ best reaction to the two moms
I knew twins who couldn't stand each other in their youth. To the point they had to be put in separate classes at school because they were constantly fighting for any kind of reasons
I'm actually just curious as to how this show cost 180 million dollars.
The same way The Room cost $6 million to make.
Money Laundering
The special effects are top notch Star Wars. I can easily believe it.
It did not they lied to you.
Disney only seems to use the Unreal Engine + OLED room combo from now on, every other show where they used that had a similar budget, I don't know seems pretty obvious to me, everything is expensive now
Don't ask questions! Consume product!
To be fair, Jaby asked a s**t ton of questions for this episode
Theory: The Jedi believe the Sith have been wiped out. The Sith use this to their advantage and begin working behind the scenes by infiltrating various governments and using politics as an ongoing weapon to weaken the Jedi Order. They also begin wiping out all other Force using denominations throughout the galaxy. They are the ones behind the attack; the four Jedi report this to the Jedi Order who bury the information out of fear. The four Jedi are then instructed to do a cover up and hilarity ensues.
What intrigues me is Mother Anisye maybe neither light or dark side force user. We see a "Conjunction" of the Red and Blue moon over the "Ascension Ceremony". All we know comes form the "Bindu" when Jedi Knight Kanan Jarrus meets him and he tells of the ancient Jedaii's ways of the Ashla and Bogan. Where he has achieve balance with the force.
Jedi Master Mace Windu speak of the prophecy of the one that will bring balance to the force and that they thought it was Anakin Skywalker. Now eventually he does take down the Emperor but does he bring balance to the force? Not really. That thread was never followed.
@@Madame702 He brought balance to the force, in the Lucasverse. IF you read any legends comics and books, I mean yeah palps came 1 time back as a sith ghost and tried to possess someone and continue his work, but Anakin brought balance. He just needed someones help to fullfill it, Lukes help. The Disneyverse just ruined Anakin´s prophecy and brought palps back. just like that. SOMEHOW PALPS RETURNED!?!?! the hell?
@@berke9313 You need to be careful. Anakin and his son Luke brought balance to galactic government not the "Force". Those are two different issues. That why I thought "Rey" character would be more of "internal show" and her trying to use both the light and dark side of the Force. We did not get that. We got a remake of A New Hope.
@@berke9313 Problem is the with the current creators is that they are to western. The trying to deal with issues in a very external way. The reason that Star Wars episode IV worked was that the actor Alex Guinness was a practicing Zen Buddhist. You can see he can articulate the internal struggle of hate, fear and why needs to be over come.
This show is so gosh darn bad. Even if you remove the fact that we're getting an agenda shoved down our throat.
Bad writing and horrible acting.
There is no agenda, please shut the hell up lmao. It's a galaxy.
Hide your Wives.... Hide your Kids. There are Jedi out here, y'all.
Did they learn nothing from the new Willow? A failed lesbian fantasy under the guise of the beloved halfling wizard movie! They took that show off Disney Plus entirely and claimed that there was nothing wrong 🤨
Monks sing, “We didn’t start the fire.”
11:48 The Jedi are compared to cops in this show. So a cop is giving his weapon to a child. What?
He's a man. She's a female. It's fine.
Not going to lie in the early 80s cops would hand us their hammer all the time.. mind u most of them were drunk but still
Cops in our area when talking to kids would sometimes if the kid looked nervous would hand them their gun to hold. Of course they showed that they disarmed it before but you could see the child’s attitude change as more accepting the officer and not afraid. Sol handing her the saber stood for two things. One to show he wasn’t a threat and two to show her what she could get if she joined the Jedi.
A lightsaber is not comparable to a gun IMO. It’s more of a tool than a weapon
He cried when Anakin was burning in lava. There were tears running down his face
Yeah, that’s someone he raised. A little different isn’t it? I don’t know.
You disney shills@@CinePals
@@CinePals Sith let their emotions control their actions and Jedi have understanding of their emotions so they can control them.
@@CinePals Can you guys please react to kung fu panda 4 and hazbin hotel
@@MonkeyblvckboiWow, did you miss the entire point of this thread? It’s a response to something negative I said about the show. Stop being some blind poison to the internet for an agenda dude. I don’t love the show so far (it’s alright) but dang, the level of vitriol is insane and undeserved.
You can literally feel their straining to squeeze some amount of positive review out of this.
Qui Gon acted like Sol did.... Thats why he was different from the regular jedi, this isnt anything new. And you guys have to keep in mind this is from Oshas perspective, its clearly not showing the truth cause the jedi seemed like they tricked her into thinking Mae really did kill the family. But why were they there? How did the witches all die? Its something thats likely getting explained from Maes point of view this time.
qui gon was not emotional at all
How can someone watch and enjoy this ....? So many things wrong with this episode. Awful writing. This was supposed to explain why bearded Jedi killed himself and why did he? So bad.
How did all the force sensitive witches die from this fire while not being ❤️🔥? Not even one thought there is a fire maybe we should go out?
This was the last episode I will watch from this show.
It is SO obvious that this isn’t the full story. You are correct, the fire would NOT explain all the death, nor the bearded Jedi killing himself. The fact that the bearded Jedi said “forgive us, we thought we were doing the right thing” the episode before was there to tell the audience that this isn’t the full story.
It’s very funny that you are SO close to processing that, but instead just assumed it was bad/inconsistent writing 😂
550 likes to 1,1K dislikes, as of right now. I still enjoy most of your reactions, but at the same time have the right to feel the opposite. Like in this instance... I'm done with this show, I'm done with Disney "Star Wars." I consider only Rogue One, Andor, Rebels and the last season of CW canon from Disney. Maybe the first two seasons of Mando, because I enjoyed it, before the bait and switch in season 3 and I effin like Bo-Katan (just give her own show)! I like the original Ahsoka. I just hate what they're doing with this franchise. Dave Filoni is hardly blameless at this point... I gave everything Disney SW at least a chance. I'm done and from looking at things, I'm far from being the only one. Quite the opposite. Enough is enough.
To be fair the Charles Manson acolytes were just out on that ranch doing their thing living their life (23:16)
Only Dinsey can fuck up a money printer like Star Wars consistently.
I'm loving the show and I hope you too start to enjoy it more as well soon. :)
I was hoping for something better after Ahsoka... I'm not even motivated to watch the next episode
Me either, I am done. The writing on these shows is awful. The Boys S4 and House of the Dragon are out this week. I refuse to watch this show anymore.
then dont
@@ahmorgan Really? This is the best episode and clearly leading to more interesting questions of what really happened.
@@johnnymittle ahahahahahahaha
*“Your eyes can deceive you, don't trust them.”* - Obi-Wan Kenobi and Luke Skywalker
*“Your eyes can deceive you. We must not trust them.”* - Master Sol
This line is very important!
Don't believe everything you see. We need all the facts, all the perspectives and points of views from both Mae and the Jedi because we didn't see anything that happened that would make Master Torbin want to kill himself over it after 16 years.
It’s also funny that you guys were like how can a oven full of witches die to a bit of fire or be overpowered by a little girl! What happen to the power of two and more!
You guys are asking all the right questions, but like missing the mark? It may turn out your guys’ assumption is correct, but we never see Mae overpower them, right? We never see Mae kill them, right? We never see the coven burn and die from the fire, right?
So, then, why do you assume it’s Mae that overpowers them? Or that kills them? Or the fire that killed them?
Or could someone else have been involved? Did we see Koril’s body among the dead? If the Jedi could track down a pair of special kids, couldn’t the Sith master? Would a Sith be interested in someone like that? And how would a Sith ween a kid away from their family?
Also, did you guys notice that, when the Jedi were back on the ship, Torbyn had a fresh scar on his face?
Was this written by a 12 year old
A 12 year old who feeds girls to a monster.
A 12 year old could probably do a better job lol
No he will have better imagination
This comment?
Seems like.
A monkey maybe....
Agree with most of your comments and criticisms. I'm trying to give this show a chance. First 2 episodes were somewhat interesting. This one was a hot mess. Not sure if I can keep watching this. Guess I'll give it ONE more episode. But if it's anything like this one, I think I'm done...
There’s DEFINITELY more to this story, Torbin even told Mae, “we thought we were doing the right thing” there’s gotta be some trickery or something that the Jedi did, Mae didn’t kill everyone all I’m saying
The thread is not a power you wield...
Immediately wields the thread...
This is starting to make sense... 🥴🤣
After this episode I had to look up an interview with the showrunner. She confirmed that the writers are using Rashomon as an influence.
What we were shown in episode 3 is only one character's (Osha's) perspective.
I need to see some other POVs soon.
What's Rashomon? should i google it? Will it cause the fbi to put me into a list?
@@jimsenbonzakura9402showing a story from multiple perspectives
@@jimsenbonzakura9402 It's a film by famous Japanes director Akira Kurosawa. The hook of the film is that is shows an "incident" from the perspectives of multiple characters and questions the nature of the truth itself.
If you have access to the Criterion Collection (HBO) you should watch it.
And no, it won't get you put on an FBI watch list.
@@jimsenbonzakura9402 It's referring to Akira Kurosawa's movie Rashomon where you can see the same story from multiple perspectives, each of them been warped by the narrator's memory/sincerity
That movie also heavily inspired TLJ. Using 3 pov storytelling along with other post modernism elements. Crazy I watched Rashomon in my film class that same semester TLJ came out so I instantly recognized it. Sadly it flew over a lot of peoples heads. It's interesting they decided to use it again for this but we'll see if they can pull it off.
I'm not surprised she cried in this episode this is the same person who cried in the Mulan trailer where they built a concentration camp for that movie 💀
Her crying for Mulan was on the merits of the trailer combined with nostalgia. We had no awareness of the work conditions. And honestly, I didn’t suspect anything foul at all until your comment.
This episode was honestly the WORST thing Star Wars has ever put out. Absolute TRASH
I don't know, I really don't like the "this show isn't gay enough" criticism. Because a) I don't think it's good idea to police queerness of fictional characters and b) LGBTQ character should be portrayed differently they don't all have to be portrayed the same way.
Not to mention that this episode seemed more focus on the twins than moms. So, it makes sense why we aren't getting more on their relationship.
Agree 👍
what lol
This is Disney's virtue signal MO. It's brief in order that they can cut it easily from international versions. That brief moment was for Western audiences only to pander to LGBTQ+.
Well. Thats the problem. Companies like Disney or Netflix are portraying LGBTQ people as some cartoon. And I cant believe that so many people supports that.
what do you mean by this.. who is asking for more gayness in the show?😭
About Sol, Jedi are allowed to show emotions, empathy, sympathy, platonic love! It is just that their way of life (like with Catholic monks and nuns) is about serving others selflessly and whole-heartedly.
And yes, twins who hate each other exist, I know a pair
Incorrect, Jedi are allowed relationships, but are not allowed sentimental relationships, it's for procreation only. They are allowed to be merciful, kind, helpful, and empathetic, but they are not going to put the lives of those they deem "close" above anyone else. you are simply wrong, they are not allowed to show emotions. This has been a thing since the old republic.
@@muldoone6920 There´s a difference between showing emotions and being completely ruled by emotions (which the Jedi are definitely not allowed to be). But I agree with the rest of your comment, you worded it a bit better then me.
At first i was like "how would fire burn a metal door and a stone room" but what if the fire didn't actually start there? We only see Osha's perspective, so what if this is all what she thinks happened based on what the Jedi told her? She remembers the argument with Mae, but went through a traumatic experience as a child, so her brain blocked things out and filled in the gaps based on what she was told. I think the Jedi wiped the witches out at a convenient opportunity, and then covered it up.
Yes, but remember they have 8 episodes. Why waste an entire episode not moving the story forward. Nothing in this moves the overall story ahead. We know Mae is alive, we know Mae started a fire, we know Osha was Sol's padawan. We know which Jedi were present on the planet. This show suffers from poor writing
@@ahmorganwe don’t know that she started the fire. We only know what her sister thinks happened. They only show her burning the book. They purposefully didn’t show everything else. There will probably be an episode from the sister’s perspective.
@@synical13 It's a mystery though. Have patience.
@@Jason-JMAinAZ I don't care at this point. You got it. Everyone else is incapable of understanding this "high art" even though many fans and critics enjoyed Andor, Daredevil, House of the Dragon, The Boys, etc. You got it.
Everyone who is offended by the ritual or the witches in general... you should really have a look at the nightsister arc in Clone Wars. And that was under George Lucas and Dave Filoni. Years ago. Also Asohka
That said I'm not entirely happy with the episode. Some questions answered, yes, but a lot of new ones. And some faults in the scriptwirting.
nah man nigthsisters were the shit!! This was cringe, why did they not used the night sisters if they wanted witches?? they wanted female led society, boom there you go, there was so much cool stuff there.... but yeah
@@YuichiTKD You're right of course. But ist is what it is. They have simply no good writing anymore, so the cast have to be pleasing. Guess what? Most of them aren't.
@CinePals,
7:16 It's a ceremony, the ascension for Osha and Mae. It makes sense to assume that they're performing a ritual of some sort.
7:35 Where have we heard those exact words from before, @Achara? Chancellor Palpatine, when explaining the Dark Side of the Force to Anakin at the opera on Coruscant. Witchcraft in Star Wars has an affinity to the Dark Side of the Force apparently.
11:17 I don't understand why "everyone" is made about Osha and Mae being created through the Force in the same way Anakin will be 90 years from this point in the story of Star Wars--the Sith had to learn how to do it from somewhere, and it sure does look like Lucasfilm is telling us that Darth Plagueis or his master learned it from this coven's practices of the Force.
The Sith were on the losing end of the war, all knowledge of the Force was collected by the Jedi and locked behind the doors of the library on Coruscant in the Jedi Temple. The Sith had to piece knowledge back together while continuing to learn the things the Jedi didn't want to practice because they were "dark" and "unnatural." When the Jedi fell in RotS, Palpatine took the Jedi Temple and all its knowledge, and that knowledge eventually led him to the World Between Worlds seen in Rebels. He couldn't get in, which is why he tried to tempt Ezra with a reunion with his family, but in the end, Ezra denied him. Palpatine has been searching for the means to cheat death ever since his master hinted at the idea before TPM. Palpatine killed his master probably after believing he had learned the technique. Darth Plagueis the Wise, was indeed wise! He kept that knowledge from his power-hungry apprentice and took that secret with him to the grave. We know from Palpatine's conversation with Anakin in RotS that he didn't know how to cheat death exactly, but he knew that it could indeed be done. Palpatine invited Anakin to discover that power together and sadly, Anakin accepted.
I can't say for certain, but I think Anakin was supposed to be Darth Plagueis' vessel, a cycle Darth Plagueis would have repeated over and over again to his heart's content had he survived Palpatine's attack. Palpatine couldn't create life through the Force, and this is why he needed Kamino and their cloning technology, it was the best he could do. But as we saw with Rebels and the new trilogy, it is nearly impossible to clone midichlorians. The best Palpatine's cloners could do was the misshapen puppet that we know as Snoke. That said, it sure did appear to be the case that Palpatine was attempting to possess Kylo Ren and use his body as a vessel--he was going to do the same with Rey at the end of TRoS, but Rey refused to accept the Dark Side, which prevented their union. For Palpatine to transfer his essence into a body, the body needs to be a blank slate (a clone) or a Force-Sensitive being who willingly surrenders to him and that is also aligned with the Dark Side of the Force, which would explain why he wanted a verbal contract with Rey.
12:45 Mae did, and they (the witches) accepted her wishes so why treat Osha differently? Because she chose to be something different? I get the witches' frustrations, they were at the end of the line and Osha and Mae were their last hope, their future. We were told that the witches were being hunted and persecuted, so they put everything they had into creating a powerful weapon to keep them safe, the twins.
“You’re with me, I’m with you, always one, but born as two. As above sit the stars and below lies the seas, I give you, you, and you give me, me.”
Osha and Mae are two sides of the same coin, the Light and Dark Side of the Force. Their mothers wanted them to stay together, probably because they brought each other balance, but also because they wanted children. Regardless of how this story plays out, the Sith lurking in the shadows likely recorded the error in splitting the power of the Force between two people, which would explain why Anakin was created as one person, and why his midicholorian count is off the charts; he has "the power of many."
13:26 They spoke about the Force. Witchcraft is connected to the Force. Star Wars, for the most part, has shown us the Force through the eyes of Jedi and Sith, but the Force dwells in all living things, remember? The Witches of Dathomir were also Force users, and since witchcraft is more closely aligned to the Dark Side of the Force, it makes sense that they would help Sidious with his first apprentice, Darth Maul, and Dooku with his, Asajj Ventress years later.
15:22 Mother Aniseya knew at this moment that her coven was done. Earlier she spoke about how the thread that binds them cannot be pulled apart, but Osha has already made the choice to do just that. This moment is very likely bittersweet for Mother Aniseya. Osha did something Mother Aniseya didn't anticipate--she seized her own agency and became a real child.
18:08 Osha embraced the person she was...so did Mae. Osha is drawn to the Light Side of the Force. Mae is drawn to the Dark Side. What's interesting is something some low-ranking witches said just before the Jedi entered the room. A voice said the Jedi had sliced through the platform--how do they know it was a Jedi? The Jedi were drawn to an uninhabited planet because they could feel a disturbance in the Force here, but who else can do that? Ki-Adi-Mundi told us that the Sith had been extinct for millennia in The Phantom Menace which takes exactly 100 years after this story. Jedi and Sith dress similarly, use the same power, and carry the same weapon. How would someone who has never seen a Sith be able to distinguish a Jedi from a Sith? Was Mother Koril fearful of the Jedi or someone else she had encountered earlier in the woods? In any case, the Jedi aren't the only ones on Brendok at this time. The Sith Lord we saw at the end of the first story is here, and I believe that that Sith Lord is the one that sliced the platform mentioned earlier. The Jedi didn't come to fight, so why would they slice through the coven's platform? Four Jedi with a ship and speeders wouldn't need to slice a platform to get to the witches. I hope we get the other half of this story, as there is more to it. Osha bonded with Sol, so who did Mae bond with? Her anger cried out, and someone answered.
19:27 Someone who likes killing dreams =/
20:54 Almost too much? On my second viewing, I came to accept Sol's emotions in this story. Jedi are all attuned to different aspects of the Force. Anakin is great with Machines, Luke too. Ezra is great with animals. Sol, apparently, is great with children! This would explain why he was teaching younglings on Coruscant and why he was on this Master Indara-led mission.
I don’t think the mothers were romantically involved but were together for the creation of the twins. I think the twins were created for a specific purpose but not due to romance.
They were close and touching each other in that one scene seemed to suggest otherwise. But maybe I misread it? It’s confusing.
You are too nice. Its simply bad. And even this is nice. Your shortfilm runs circles around this pile of bantha doo-doo@@CinePals
That's what I was thinking. When I heard mother, I automatically thought of the night sisters and how they call certain witches mother? Also even though the way they touched could mean a relationship, I've had friends touch each other's faces when they talk about important things. Idk if that's weird but I have friends who are close with each other and do stuff like that.
Jaby mentioned how he thinks of the Jedi as more stoic and distant and I don’t disagree, but for the most part they are, aren’t they? Vernestra is like that. Yord tries to be, but still seems too young to have a full grasp on it, though, Jecki is younger, but seems to be ahead of the curve when it comes to non-attachment and stoicism. Indara is another example of more stoicism and distance.
All, if anything, reminds me of Qui-Gon even if we never saw Qui-Gon cry. We see that same sort of charm, warmth, etc.
I find it kinda funny how hung up on Sol Jaby is since many of the other Jedi are what Jaby describes or aiming to be that more stoic Jedi.
The Sisterhood of Karn whisper, “sacred flame; sacred fire.”
Love your reactions to the Acolyte Achara. Don't let the discord around the show affect you and keep going.
This episode made me not want to watch the Acolyte any more, tired of being fed garbage and being told I’m the bad person for not enjoying nonsensical trash…
It’s like if 2 girls and 1 cup was turned into a series.🤣😂
Lets not go there
😂😂😂 Today we learned that the force is....horny.
They're eight years old my guy.
@@hoos3014 I assumed he was talking about the two mothers.
@hoos3014 and so is the commentator... 8 yrs old 🙄
Something hasn't been told yet, if u notice the one jedi who drank the poison has a giant slash on his face that wasn't there before when they pick up osha
This is so bad , holy, episode full of plot holes, bad writing and bad acting, it’s like they have a mission to destroy Star Wars and it’s lore for ever lmfao , 180 million budget???! For what ??
I’ve seen issues about this episode with the way they witches are portraying the force. It seems like many either didn’t watch the clone wars series or forgot about the nightsisters and how they manipulated the force. 3:54 like the nightsisters call their clan leader was called “mother” like Mother Talzin. 20:58 he could be the reason why the Jedi now don’t show attachment or emotions like what Sol showed. Remember this is before Kenobi, Skywalker. Didn’t Kenobi show emotion with Satine? Especially when she died. 22:31 the way the witches bodies were looked like a cult killing.
Wow, Mei really took it personally with the whole "protecting the coven secrets thing" huh?
Star Wars ended with Lucas I feel bad for the guy his name will be eventually ruined he must have pissed Kathleen off at some point and we are experiencing the petty revenge
You mean to tell me Jaby and Achara aren't aware of all the controversy around The Acolyte? Give me a break.
Shilling ain't easy, bro!!!
@@SaRENRampaigerwhat would be the point of schilling a show with so much controversy around it? Think about your statement for five seconds dude. What is the benefit? The only way to benefit is to climb aboard the vitriolic hate train. This is literally counter schilling. THINK, man.
Yes. We’re aware. We tried our best to watch this with a neutral approach and form our own opinions as one should…. Or as two people should in the case of us.
@@CinePals Thank you for replying. I thought as much, and I respect your take, but I got the impression you were reacting as you didn't know the current cultural zeitgeist around The Acolyte. All the best to you both and your channel.
An excerpt in the trailer shows that the witches all have black eyes. This means a witch has taken control of everyone and probably some of the Jedi like Kelnacca and Torbin who fight each other in the trailer. In the ship at the end you can see Torbin's bloody scar on his face, which is fresh. Greetings from Germany😊
tbh the actor for Sol carries this show even if he's more emotional than jedi's normally are
I think all the actors are generally better then normal. Obviously no andor but still its a big step up from book of boba and ahsoka.
@@moe5020lol this shit is horrendus
@@sarov7658 yes but still the acting is better then ahsoka or book of boba. acolyte is still better then ahsoka that shit put me to sleep.
@@moe5020 only that squid game actor is good
Not everything is as it seems. More will be revealed from the perspective of other characters. You'll see. This is actually really good storytelling.
I believe we just witnessed the story that Osha believes. I think when we get the prospective of Mai, Torbin's scar and his drinking the poison himself after saying that the Jedi "thought" they, were doing the right thing, and the fact that Mai responded to Indara's Jedi don't attack the "unarmed" with "yes they do", I think we are going to go much deeper into the story next we revisit the fire incident.
You should watch Az's review on hellsvsbabyface, he points out exactly how ludicrous this series is... Disney Star Wars is the worst!!!
Some Jedi have big hearts, leave him alone😂😂
Such a bad idea to have a flashback episode before they've made us care about the characters. Literally everything that happened was addressed in the first 2 episodes.
14:36 - 😄
15:46 - There have been a decent number of twins who've murdered their "other halves", if that count's. They were probably just good at hiding the hate.
Good to know. Must have just missed those stories.
Love how it is established here that there is a “call” to be a Jedi, like, the Jedi do not just pick-up random children, Osha wanted to join before even knowing its possible, she drew the symbol without ever seeing it.
Mae wanting to kill her sister made sense character-wise, if she can’t stop her from leaving… (psychopaths behave like that to their partners eg.)
Remember, we haven’t seen everything yet, there is info missing how the other witches died exactly, I bet both sides were to blame.
Witches are prosecuted by the Republic for using Dark magic… these are not mere hippies…
No one responded to the kids F’ing around? Didn’t Aniseya snap at them and shove them down with a force shove? Did that not happen? Isn’t that the Force equivalent of grabbing them by the ear?
Jedi in the high republic era show more emotion. It’s in the books and comics. One of the reasons for the fall is because they become more rigid and conservative in later eras.
I don’t think we can take everything we saw in this episode at face value. I believe the creators for the show has mentioned a level of Rashomon in the story. There’s a perspective to these events we haven’t been shown yet.
Torbin finishes the episode with that wound on his face and he begs Mae for forgiveness later before killing himself. The Jedi killed the witches and Mae witnessed everything. Osha thinks it was Mae, because she doesn't want to admit otherwise. Sol is attached to her out of guilt. Kelnacca isolated himself. Torbin took the Barash Vow. Indara recognized Mae before dieying. A really big deal is how Brendock wasn't under Republic Jurisdiction, the witches were AFRAID of them, enough so their leader wanted to let Osha lives of it meant to keep the rest of them alive.
But then the main question becomes "why are the Jedi BAD?". They will need to answer this properly or else it won't make sense in continuity
Lmao Achara putting a spell on Jaby and him just saying “ what are you doing?”
Who knew stone and metal would be so flammable?
I 100% think something will likely be revealed as to why Sol was so emotional in this situation - be it personal history or there being more actually occurring in this scenario than we’ve already been shown. In every scene it feels as though Lee’s peformance is showing that there’s significantly more going on internally with him than he may deliberately show.
I also feel like it seems they’re showing the story from multiple perspectives, I think this was from Osha’s.
I’m enjoying the show so far, particularly the performances of Keen and Lee but I think the true grasp on whether this show actually succeeds at what’s is trying to be won’t be able to be gaged until it’s finished (it seems as though a lot of things are being held back - at least in my reading of it.)
Whoever is actually responsible for killing all these witches, be it Mae, the Jedi's, or unidentified Sith, they certainly succeeded at doing one more thing; making the Jedi's feel unreasonably guilty *instantly*. That's why Master Torbin had meditated for ten plus years only to take the poison willingly, and why Master Wookie led a reclusive life. I don't know what this guilt did to Master Indara, but I believe it explains why Master Sol was so emotional to the point where he essentially adopts Osha. I do think he failed to control his emotion as a Jedi at that moment. The question is what caused such an extreme and instant guilt for everyone? They've surely killed many "bad actors" before this. Then why?? I hope the show offers strongly persuasive answer to this question in the end.
I seriously hope that somehow some of the jedi were involved in the causation of fire or something else
& master torbin knew mae was alive so they had encountered again
My mom was staring at me when that Witch ceremony played, she was like "I don't have to let you look at this..."....but I'm just looking at this show cuz it's summer and it's something I want to watch so this summer can go by more faster! 😅
The Alcolyte has just been cancelled after just 3 episodes by Disney
Yup season 2 was cancelled and Leslie headland removed from future projects
Can you include a link? I looked this up and found nothing substantial to support this.
@@Toshiboyai I wish...
An insult. It's just an insult. But hey... The Acolytes showrunner ruined more childhood memories than her former boss.
The idea of "buying" that two people are raising kids in an episode is something that would never be considered if it was a male/female pairing. The story isn't trying to sell some epic romance between them, so what is there not to "buy?"
Specially in a galaxy long ago far far away
I think we just disagree on what the intent of the filmmaker is and the quality of execution of that intent.
as a student of human behavior I find it interesting as I watch several reviews of this show by both male and female a lot of women say they really like Sol's character especially when he shows empathy which some may say is feminine trait, as for the perspective of the story well it's simple for me, of course it has a female perspective just as when men write or direct films it's from a male perspective it's human nature and there is nothing wrong with that as far as I'm concerned
I think this is all from Osha's pov. I don't think this is the whole story. I think we will see other povs as the show goes on.
I really enjoy the show. It makes me think; "what did the Jedi do?" Jedi are usually the heroes so already this is intriguing.
Whatever they did, it must have been something really awful and I think the "fans" are missing the signs and thus, not enjoying the mystery.
For instance: when Mae first challenges Indara, Indara says "Jedi do not fight unarmed people." And Mae said;"Yes. You do." Why did she say that so pointedly? It's new. It's a mystery not an action/adventure piece. You have to think and I like that.
🧛♂ the power of 1 AH AH AH AAAH....the power of 2 AH AH AAAH.....the power of many AH AH AAAH!!!!! 🧛♂ (The Count-Sesame Street) THE POWER OF SISSORING...AH AH AAAH!!!!✂🧛♂
I think why people are upset in general is because this episode brings a lot of nuance. It really shows the jedi as flawed, as well the witches.
People in general like being told who is good and bad, but this show really gets into the complexity, and a lot of people don't like that because they don't want to think, they want to be told what to think
There's no nuance. Females are strong. They don't need a man even when it comes to conceiving children. Real subtle.
@@John_Locke_108 well there is precedence for it in the lore(using the "force" to conceive a child) so i guess it's possible but i thought that was extremely rare and here we two of them and twins at that. very precise force usage i guess
@@John_Locke_108Lol they are a coven of witches who very obviously used witchcraft to create life. This isn’t exactly new in Star Wars. The fact that you only see it through your lens of “men bad” and “women good” just proves that you have the media literacy of an 8 year old.
Important point in this episode is to know that the showrunner is inspired in Akira Kurosawa's Rashomon, where a story was told from 4 different points of views, here in the episode everything seems strange because we see it from Oshea's perspective, it's difficult to believe that Mae did all that burning some book, something else happened, something so bad that the meditating Jedi suicided for it, show moves slower than others for the misterious focus, but i want to believe that can be good at the end, keep rocking and stay safe!
The Rashoman comment I have seen a few times. The difference here is it’s a show. Rashoman probably works more effectively with less (negative) confusion because it’s a film that resolves itself by the end.
@@CinePals totally right, in a movie you don't have to wait a month to go through the story and discover new things, Rashomon is long but not that much 😂😂.. this was a risk for sure, I'm hoping at the end is worthy, but I'm sure this in an all chapters release would've worked better for public, thanks for the response, love your reactions! Keep rocking and stay safe!
We don't know what really happened to the coven. I believe Mae attacks the Padawan, he has a facial scar remember, I think the Jedi killed the coven after Mae attacks which makes the horned mother attack and there ya go. Sol is guilty of killing the Mother of the coven that's why he cried and still feels guilty
We know that Coven fights with bows so I don't think it was tiny Mae that did that. No something else is going on and why would a dark side force user even want to train someone like Mae that doesn't make sense either.
One thing I will say, sometimes Jaby can drive me nuts 😂
Jaby: The Jedi I know are more stoic and distant/reserved!
You mean, like Vernestra? Or Indara? Or how Yord is trying to be? Or how Jecki shows concern over attachment? Or York’s padawan (I forget her name)? If anything Jedi like Sol and Qui-Gon seem to be exceptions more than the rule.
Jaby: How could Mae overpower a coven of powerful witches!?
Maybe bc we never saw her do it?
Jaby: How could a bit of fire kill all of the powerful Force users!?
Did we see them burn to death? For that matter, did their bodies look burned?
There are others, but you get the point. The story has continually been told by unreliable narrators and in bits and pieces, why would you immediately jump to conclusions about scenes we never saw??
I will say, it’s a testament to how the human brain automatically fills in gaps out of thin air and it’s interesting to watch how they fill those gaps, too.
There's definitely more to the story. We only saw it Osha's perspective.😊
Star wars today is like when 2 boys were playing out in the woods with their G.I. Joe figures, but one of their sisters came to play with them having brought their Barbie dolls. The boys told her no, so she gets upset and cries to their mom. The mom then orders the 2 boys to play with their sister and to be nice. They defiantly agree and allow the sister to bring her Barbie dolls. They start their imaginary adventures.
A few moments pass by and the mother sees the boys come back home with their G.I. Joe figures looking bored and uninterested in playing anymore.
The mother asked what was wrong and they tell her they ended up playing "House" with the toy figures. Next, you see the sister come back smiling, knowing she disrupted her brothers from having their fun.
The dialogue in this show lacks gravitas. The chant from the witches in this episode reminded me of "The Sea is Always Right" from Rings of Power. It's just so bland, casual, and light. It lacks importance.
There is 0 chance that I believe that Mae did all of that. We saw her burn a book. That's all we saw her do. No way do I believe she killed her entire coven including her own mother, but cause no harm to even a single Jedi. They died in a fire, but nobody got burned and nobody escaped. Really?
Wow. I never knew stone and metal was so combustible 🤨
Depends on the type of stone/metal.
Just ask Jeeves 🙄
@@deborahjanes3706 let's not do this please
Mae wants to kill her sister starts a fire, the Jedi sees the fire and comes to help then Mae tells the witches that the Jedi started the fire. They fight the witches lose and Mae blames the Jedi, and I won't be surprised if Mae killed some of the witches. How are the Jedi bad guys again?
Same question brother, same. No clue why the jedi HAS to be bad to make the show work but if promotional material is anything to go by then.......
The thing that sticks out to to me is that they were outside their jurisdiction, which makes me wonder why they went to this planet.
The jedi are not void of emotion they simply controll it and try to not let it influence there choices. Yord for example is learning this he is desperate to prove himself and so letting emotions decide for him instead of staying calm and thinking things fully through. Kanan in rebels also had to learn this when not letting his emotions for hera cloud his judgement. The jedi present themselves as emotionless peace keepers but that is just an image they present the truth is (and we see it time and time again) the jedi are constantly in battle eith there emotions and they have a great many of them. Ashoka anakin obi wan dooku windu kanan ezra and many more are all jedi with very real emotions and being a jedi isnt that you dont HAVE/show emotions its that you dont let them controll your decisions. If you think the jedi are supposed to be emotionless or even flawless or anythib like that then you have compeltely misunderstood the jedi. The jedi are supposed to be flawed that what the whole prequals was about and there flaws didnt apear overnight they had been around and growing before yoda was even around. This show should be where the issues of the jedi actually start coming to light and where the jedi start actually getting pushback from the galaxy so that episode 1-2-3 make sense.
Sol is totally the Master. Hey guys👋🏻.
You are right. He seems compromised in every scene. I hope it's a red herring. Plus I may not have liked this episode but the creator has said that there will be some Rashomon episodes. I am pretty sure this one was from one kid's perspective. I just hope it gets better when we get the complete picture.
Leslie drew inspiration from Rashomon, a classic story of a singular event told from different povs.. so it's all an unreliable narrative.. this is likely from Oshas POV
would have been cooler if it was mainly from Osha's POV(Not necessarily in first person). i have seen something similar(can't remember what) in which you are deadlock on a character and the situation plays out and you come to a certain conclusion but then later on you are deadlock on a different character and the same situation plays out(some things are obviously different) and you get another piece of the puzzle and so on.
P.S. Thanks for your comment i got to learn something new. I didn't know this style is called "Rashomon"
@@asadyousafzai937 it's an old samurai movie but this is where this type of story is mostly known from
Leslie drew inspiration from Harvey weinstein.
What I get from this two moms thing is that maybe the horned mom acted as a suroget mother. The girls are created similar to Anikin and then placed in her
You’re only seeing from one perspective. I imagine we will see that scene a couple more times from different characters perspectives. And then it will all come together.
I think Sol's emotion was more the guilt something definetly happened that we didn't see and I think the Jedi played a part in everyone being dead.
I guess it just felt so immediate. There wasn’t a lot of processing time. Part of the issue with cramming all that into 30 min.
Anakin has cried, Obi Wan has cried multiple times, Rey has cried, Qui Gin has cried. Nothing new in Star Wars jaby, it’s just not shown much.
I wish UA-cam had a way of showing my responses to other people to avoid the need for me to repeat what I already said. *sigh* You’re right, Obi Wan has cried, but each time that happened it felt earned and I had no reason to question it. For some reason, here it just didn’t feel earned for me. Rey didn’t go through the same training at all. Anakin’s story is about a child who is wrought with suffering from the loss of his mother and probably shouldn’t have become a jedi which was Yoda’s judgement. He’s an emotional and vengeful character that in many ways does not embody what a Jedi is supposed to be. Qui Gon Jin was dying… I don’t actually remember if he cried, but I’ll forgive the man if he was as he was about to go.
Ya, there’s something missing that they’ll reveal later, the guilt triggered emotion of sol, the death of the coven, fire destroying everything. I feel the Jedi had something to do with it blowing up.
I’m willing to give the show a shot, there are 5 more episodes.
Pretty sure the Jedi just think they did it...and it was really the Sith. Made the situation so they could get an apprentice.
@@wkadalieoooo…. Maybe. But I don’t think Disney is going that direction.we could very well just be giving them too much credit lol…😂
@@designvatsa8348 I agree...from what they've said in interviews. It suggests they're going to make the Jedi the bad guys... and the Sith misunderstood. Which really contradicts. Everything we've seen of the darkside. When you join the darkside....you immediately become more evil. It's not about spreading truth to power. Just gaining more power.